December 16, 2025 • 51 mins
Another shameful loss and more fallout from the CP3 saga, what a week (it's only Tuesday.) Adam, Will, and Chuck talk the shitfest that was the game against the Grizzlies, wonder if the latest Chris Paul article does anything for anyone, and talk potential trades
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season four,
episode fifteen of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Buckler,
joined by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. No, we were
not giggling at how poorly the Clippers played last night.
We were laughing because I was reminding Adam how good
the mashed potatoes and gravy at l PLAYO. LOOKO are
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thank you for hanging out. If you're listening. We always
appreciate that you can watch us at YouTube dot com
Slash at Clippers podcast if you want some kind of
laughs during this hellscape that is the Clipper season. We're
gonna talk to CP three article. We're gonna talk about
the Swell visit with Lawrence Frank. They apparently tried to
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play basketball last night and they have a hellish schedule
on deck. But before we get into all of that, Adam,
will how the heck are you fellas doing another day
after the worst loss of the season. You know I'm
doing all right.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm a little surprised about the way this Chris Paul
news is again sort of like making the rounds and
sort of like re upsetting people when there's not really
much of note new to add to this, and again
a lot of this information seems like it's kind of
coming from Chris's camp, so you know, take it all
with a grand assault. But the bad vibes surrounding the Clippers,
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and I don't even mean the team personally, I mean
in the way they're perceived, certainly the slant against them
from a journalistic perspective, which started with Fablo Dori as
it continued throughout this entire season. So not only do
we have to suck shit as a basketball team, we
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also get every loser on the internet throwing tomatoes at
us as well.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So it's good, it's good.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It does feel like the worst it's been since the
previous owner press wise. Not comparing the two scenarios obviously,
but press vibes, Adam.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
What happened before?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Who when Oprah was the owinn? Or two was in
the mix?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Adam? You're talking to the people of Clipper Nation a
lot more than we are. How are you doing today?
How was the Opo Loko?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, things are so bad.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I had to disagree with agree with Matt Moore about
something which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Whoa are there? Are there two sons? Are there two moons.
Where are we?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
It's episode episode four again two sons with Luke's in
and out there of course family gets burned up.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, things are bad.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Last night was bad and people are upset. I was
confident going into last night. I gotta be honest. If
you can't beat that Memphis team three days off at home,
that's that's as good an opportunities you could have, especially
if you just played as hard as you did the
three prior games. You know, the three prior games, there
was plenty of good process. They didn't show up at
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the very end of those games and had some real issues.
But this game, they couldn't make it past six minutes.
Like that six minutes was the maximum amount they could
give you of decent basketball. Like they did not have
one good quarter.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I mean how many good quarters have they had
all year? Can you count them on two hands? Six?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
They recently they probably have had like ten because they
could they will win the first three quarters multiple times
they were good. So twelve, I mean, I know they
went one and four on the trip, but we felt like, hey,
there were some good signs, some good positive signs here,
and last night there was nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
There was nothing. Do we what do we want to
talk about in terms of the actual game last night,
Zubots not ideal. Zubots was bad last night. Everyone was
bad last night.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I think Zubots wasn't great in the first half. It's also, uh,
if you have Kobe Brown out there and they are
playing off of him like he's Russell Westbrook shooting threes
or Draymond Green a couple of years ago, they were
doubling Zoo like the entire time and he got six
shots off, and I just I was shocked at how
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much Kobe Brown played.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The lineup that got demolished was Harden, Bogie, Jordan Miller,
Kobe Sanders, Kobe Brown. That lineup I think gave up.
Joey Linn put it out. He gave it was like
eight straight buckets.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
At the end of the third.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, they thought that he got tired. I'm scoring all
those baskets.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And I say this as someone who at one point
was like Kobe Brown, maybe there's something there. Uh, the
shooting was an anomaly. Missoo that one year he shot good,
one year from three and it hasn't come back. Foot
speed isn't there. Again, this is not all on Kobe Brown.
By Tyler was crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
If they had, but just like trying to throw anything
at the wall.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Though at this point, I think.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Sure we've seen some of it.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
If they had Niko Batouma last night, Kobe Brown might
not even play.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Probably didn't play.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, that's a good call.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That up ended lineups. But I still felt like I
would have rather tried Lopez. I would have tried Kobe
Sanders for more time. I'm not worried about Santi al
Dama posting him up like he's not his game.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I thought it was a little baffling.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
But I get it you want to have some more
size out there, but not really because we've seen it.
I know he had been playing the last couple of games.
It seemed to be a matchup thing, but he was
out before that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I just need with no Batoum available, and like to
your point, like, couldn't we try what's what's two minutes
of brook lob has looked.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Like after Kobe Brown missed the first four to three
pointers he took.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I would have tried it, but I think he started
to all six to me outside.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Shoot or shoot dude. The intensity. I mean, our bench
got out scored again? How many times this year, has
our bench been outscored by one other guy on the
other team's bench.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well, according to John Collins, not possible.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Right, we'll talk about that. Spencer went off talking a
bunch of shit, as you should if you're shooting that well,
Will how much are you reading into the no postgame
from Kawhir Harden.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I think it's a bad look at home.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Mm. I think that's fair. I think on the road
it's a little more. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, Adam.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I don't love it.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I saw at the end of the first half James
Harden was dribbling out the clock. End of the second quarter,
he gave it up to Kobe Brown on the left
wing with like two seconds left for a grenade. Kobe
Brown gave it back to him, he shot I think
an air ball, and Kawhi is on the floor and
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he looked over as they're walking into the tunnel, like
what just happened there? So I'm sure neither guy was
very happy last night. I'm not saying they were upset
with one another.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I don't know, of.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Course, hard to be happy at whatever. I rex six
and twenty Yeah, you're in twenty six, like and Harden
had the contusion in his calf, but he played. I
don't know that contributed to anything. Just a rough night,
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and it's just kind of every single game of watching
the Clippers kind of felt like yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I thought yesterday it was easily a new low because
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Will happened those We've had so many of those this year.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I know. But the Minnesota and Houston game, there was
real progress. The game where they're tied at ninety eight
in Memphis with four minutes left and they just can't score,
there was progress. Last night, they got blown out in
the second half at home to a Memphis team that
didn't even have Zach Edy.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Joe was bad out there.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Cam Spencer had confidence because I think he went six
of six against them last time.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And he's been hot, like almost yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
He shooting like sixty from three the last ten games.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
But and they were losing him. That was the other part.
We're losing Pat Spencer on the perimeter, and it's like, guys,
that's the guy.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Don't go underscreens against a shooter like that. He also
had a couple of ridiculous shots, but you know, that's
part for the course against Clippers, somebody's going to do that.
The shooting against them has been crazy, even Bumpet, Well,
it's the defense. There are times where we're seeing some
crazy shooting, but I guess if it keeps happening, it's
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it's more so than an outlier, it's a trend.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
There's no fear. There's no fear for this.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Like they're wearing no fear shirts out there on the.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Corner, like this defense like no part of this team
or you like, oh no, like they kicked it into gear.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Kawhi starts fast. He had seven points in the first
quarter and got five shots right away, but then pretty
much cooled off and didn't exactly have pedal to the
medal with his offense, even though he's playing more minutes
now and is off the restriction. In the last two games,
James Harden kind of looked like a show of himself.
Did Kobe Brown get up more shots than him in
the game yesterday?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Miles Harden was hurt. That's what's so frustrating too.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
It's like, no, I know, that was the reason.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I'm just saying, like, so, yeah, where are they going
to fear when they can just double zubas the entire
time they don't have Zach Edie and Zubos gets up
six shots against that Memphis team.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, if you can double zoo in, the Clippers offense
can't create anything.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It's uh just lights out.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
That's honestly one of the most frustrating things. Coach Lee
was asked about it post game by Lot Murray about
zoom only getting six shots. He's like, well, did you
watch through doublin And he's right, I'm also thinking, how
are they not getting anything more out of this? Well,
the main reason is because Kobe Brown was out there
and like, that's your open shot.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
They're left right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's like it's like when Dunn gets the open threes,
that is who is getting the shot there. The defense
is playing so that guy gets the shot.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, this was even more extreme, Like this was more
extreme than Shengoon.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Sagging off of Dunn in Houston. What they were doing
to Kobe Brown. There was zero respect out there. It
was total Russell Westbrook treatment. Oh and by the way,
who is available for trade the Clippers now?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Who? The Clippers now are giving up.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
The highest percentage from three in the league.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Teams are shooting thirty nine percent.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Number one, number one.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Some would say thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But okay, yeah, well I'm sortin by a different matter.
I'm looking at different numbers I think. Sorry, I just
had a weird look on my face because Rachel Nichols
just tweeted out, Oh, do we have anything else we
want to say about the game?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Just will thoughts.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
The fans were upset. The environment was not great last night.
You know when they cheered the most, it was on
effort plays. There was a plan in the first half
where they got three straight offensive rebounds and eventually Kawhi
hit a jumper and the crowd got into it because
they loved seeing that effort from them.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But outside of that, there wasn't a lot to cheer for.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Story of the twenty five twenty six Clippers. So Rachel
Nichols just tweeted out, I don't know why. Like Adam,
Silver says he's spoken to Chris Paul since the Clippers
asked him to leave the team and is dismayed for
everyone involved. Silver says he hoped CP three plays for
another team this season so we can finish out his
retirement year. Silver and Paul have a very friendly personal
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relationship and work closely together for years. When Paul was
the president of the Players Association. The man is a
master politician. He is one of the most point guards
of all time, and he is one of the best
politic politicians who've ever played the game.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I'll say too, like to Adam's point, he's you know,
said this. Throughout this Christ Baul thing, the Clippers knew
all this, you know, when they came to make this decision,
how bad it was going to look, and how you know,
like Chris Paul would be able to align himself with
all the you know, major factors in the league.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And they still opted to move forward with it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So that might give you.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
A like a little bit if you're thinking critically, if
you even have your your.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Half cap on an insight into how things were going
internally there.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, their only chance winning this PR battle was winning
and they're now one in five since CP three has
left one in four, one in five. If they were
actually winning games, some people might go, oh, I guess,
I guess, you know, alleviate some of the pressure and
guys are playing loose out there, and it hasn't worked obviously,
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But they also made it clear they didn't have a
losing record because of CP three. They weren't scapegoating him.
That wasn't the issue.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, the I thought La Clippers film had a nice
kind of tweet summation of the article that came out.
He said, what happens when you signed Chris Paul as
the Patty Mills replacement and then he outperforms that role
in camp? And Robert Floum kind of said, like him
playing better gave him more influence, which made the benching
so much, you know, messier to go through. It feels
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like the marketing aspect of the Clippers one here, but
it turned out horribly Like it's a great pr move
to have CP three on the team if he's down
to be in the Patty Mills role, but he wasn't.
And then it kind of oscillated and we get and
again I'm not like CP three has there's a lot
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of PROP three, you know, like, but I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
This even comes down to just roll because even in
the argument, like in the ESPN article, which was very
favorable to Chris Paul, I mean they talked about the
way that he was like speaking to some of the coaches,
uh and and you know, talking on like talking about
how things should be made and and like they even
mentioned in the article, which again is very favorable to
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Chris Paul, how there were multiple talks between the coaching
staff and the front office about there are better ways
to phrase this, like this is how this is kind
of being perceived by some of the people's staff and
players included. Uh, and maybe there's a way to be
less divisive with some of these comments.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And that's what frustrat That adds to kind of my
frustration because I'm like, everyone knows who Chris Paul is,
everyone knows what his style of but like, that doesn't
mean you get to do I'm not excusing his behavior.
I'm more upset that the Clippers were like, what's he doing? Doctor?
It hurts when I do this, don't do that.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
They thought it wasn't going to happen because they were
going to be good, and if they were good, when
he would have cured all in this situation. They weren't,
and neither was he despite looking good, yes in preseason
and I guess a training camp, but WHOA for those
wondering why he was getting dnps like he started off
one of five, all one, two of four, oh two,
one of four.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
He wasn't playing well out there at all.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He couldn't move. Early in the season, it was dribble.
It was dribble up, turn your back to the defender
right at half court, and then we're kind of in
this like, well, shit, like what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
The defensive end of the ball was a major weak point,
like for the for the team in general, So it
makes sense to slim that sort of rotation for Aguard.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Like that, Hey, he couldn't get the ball into the
frontcour fast enough. He couldn't guard on the other end.
I love CB three, but everybody was going, wow, this
is not what we expected or what we saw last season.
So if anybody scratched in their head, well why was
he getting DNPS?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think there was some reason for that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
But if that was, if that was the initial issue
in him not signing up for this, they well they
thought you also were going to look as you did
last season and they had to try something else. And
they made it clear at the press conference that he
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is a reserve guard, that that was the verbiage reserve guard.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And a really good tweet when this and he got
signed where he broke down. Let me see if I
can find it. He had a really good breakdown of
like basically, here we go. Yeah, okay. Law Murray tweeted
it was a minute ago. Bradley Beal replaces Norm Powell,
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John Collins replaces a Mere Coffee, Brook Lopez replaces Ben Simmons,
Chris Paul replaces Patty Mills fully healthy roster. That is
what the breakdown was, and I believe that Obviously that's
a lot guessing, but if you look at that personnel,
that is what he was brought in for. I will
say I don't know if this part was trued out
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of the article. I respect Chris Paul forgetting trying to
get to the team, to get to some borderline wacky outings. Yes,
I appreciate that I have been preaching bowling or paintball
or something. He did a birthday party. Not a lot
of people showed up from the team showed up Halloween party, buddy.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I appreciated that question. This is the biggest part of
the article that I had an issue with. Do we
think the bench was killing the starters in practice? Per
John Collins, we were kicking the starter's ass. I do
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not believe that that happened to that extent. They said
repeatedly in the article, and I'm like, well, I'll tell
you what, Robin Lopez or whoever was out there, is
the backup five, maybe bring some of that energy to
the actual basketball court.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's just echoes of like what we
heard in training camp that Brook Lopez was the best
looking guy.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Here's the most surprising guy. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I don't think they were routinely beating the clip the
starters in practice.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, and if they were, it was because guys were
playing their way into shap.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Like you know, so maybe they were in the team.
That's just indicative how shitty the team.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I mean, what's the what's the significance of that?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
We saw what happened in the regular season, and the
bench has been really bad, hasn't been good.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
With the starters either. Like it's like, again, bring some
of that mentality to to playing with the guys.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Like just that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm surprised cons went on record in this and I
think it's a I think it's an embarrassing look.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It's a bit of a weird look.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I was even wondering was that a quote from something
we missed in training camp that was pulled back then?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Because they're clearly they're clearly.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Pulling the quote from Collins over the weekend saying that
it's a lot quieter last week. It's been a lot
quieter since three is gone. We all saw that video.
Was this something that he said back when it happened
and that, and it's so weird, was you know what
was the context?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And he was awake for this guy. So there's a
connection with those two there. So it's like when when
he said that like it was quieter today, I interpreted
that as like, oh, John Collins is probably getting yelled
at by Chris Paul for his defense. Don't necessarily disagree
with Chris Paul there, but now it's like, what, like again,
this adds to kind of like just the shroud of
what the hell is going on to the entirety of
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the Clipper season right now? No one is on the
same page about anything.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
The quieter thing, you know that video is out there
is the other one out there about them kicking their
ass in training camp like when it happened in training camp, right,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Know what does it matter?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Like I'm honestly I love CP three, Yeah, I love
CP three. Uh, this situation is really unfortunate and everybody's
gonna be leave who.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
They want to believe, which is three.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, most people are gonna side with CP three because
they're down on Coach Lou and they're down on Lawrence
Frank right now, I don't know why we got to
take sides, right. I would love if he came out
and spoke about it, if the Clippers said came out
and said more about it, I'd be more interested in
that than another article like this, which, as Will said,
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was favorable towards CP three.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's not going to get anything from the Clippers fo,
because they're not going to throw them this ball out
of the damn bus after all of them.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Because that, like that, that's even worse. Like that, that
makes it even worse. You already have a season where
you've done nothing to really gain the benefit of the
doubt for you know, like getting anyone's good graces, like
the one sort of uh you know, move outside of
like the hope of the team obviously just performing well
was sort of this like retirement story amid the the
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other ship storm of stuff surrounding the organization. And so no,
you can't do that, like that's only gonna make it worse.
And you know, I went back to this when we
you know, when the when they first sent him home.
It's like this team, while they're losing this much, there
is nothing that they can do right, Like, truly, the
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only thing they can do right is try to spring
a couple wins together. Like addressing the situation further or
throwing Chris Paul under the bus further isn't gonna help anything.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Like they want to have a relationship with him moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
They're gonna retire his jersey. It should be like.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They would retire as jersey. Can you can you imagine
Chris Paul retired and not like the Clippers not having his.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Jersey retired at some point, that would be insane.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Thunder Will put it up just to piss off the
Clippers first.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's unconscionable.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
It's bad. Anything else on this before we get to
Lawrence Frank's talk with the Swell, I'll tell you what.
I hope it's not a part too tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It just stinks, man, And.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
That's the thing. Picking sides helps nothing in this scenario.
It just sucks. Ass We can all admit that it's
gross and it sucks. That's really how I just feel disappointed.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
It's real civil war house divided type vibes here, and
I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, Captain American and iron Man fighting. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Who's who? Because wait, I was on iron Man's side,
and I think the particular fight you're talking about. I'm
not even a nerd like that, but I know what
fight you're talking about, and I'm on iron man'side.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I'd have to watch it again. Only saw it once.
It had Black Panthers premiere, which was awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So pregame, Lawrence Frank met with the swell. We asked
people on Twitter how this went. I was looking at
the LA Clippers subreddit, which is not as unhinged as
I thought it would be. We got a couple of tweets.
He just summarized the season up until that point, briefly
went over the CP three situation, the Blake trade, and
answered questions. Lawrence Frank kept blaming himself. But other than that,
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nothing new that we haven't heard before, just you know not.
I don't know how else it was gonna go other
than corporately smooth, right, Like, no one's gonna get up
there and grab the mic and be like, what the
fuck are you doing right? Because that would not help
anything or get you an answer, and we're just like
kind of in an age where a team this big
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isn't going to really.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Have like.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, like what are you really getting out of this?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
This was a huge nothing like fake gesture support.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Not that they you know, like not that it's up
to Lawrence Frank to give anything to the fans or
anything like that, but this to me just struck me
as just a sort of like we talked about it yesterday,
like one of those kind of like hollow corporate.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Sures that never like who else has done this before? Though,
like when does happen? Yeah, it's I'll give him credit
for that. He stood there.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Apparently somebody called in from the Swell post game and
was like I was there.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It was him like under the basket and everyone around him.
So like the setting was pretty cool. You'll never like.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Pollotories that it looked like a video for like lords
Frank raised thirty Clippers fans like one of those.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I will say should have sat on the chair backwards.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Sure that would have.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, should have dangerous mind, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
The question is is it really worse than not doing
it with how many people have been outraged. Yeah, I
don't think so. It sounded like the person who called
in it's just one. I don't know how many people
were there, but uh, they seem to be appreciative enough.
The one thing they said that he mentioned that I
kind of raised an eyebrow to I get it. But
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he talked about, you know, they believe the pace can
slow down in the playoffs and that this team could
be better in the playoffs. Like I'm just I'm relaying
what I heard from this person. So it's you know,
second hand, third hand information here if they could get
into a playoff series. But as I mentioned last week,
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if the best case to.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Watch from home when they slows down, they won't be confused.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Well, I guess there was a question about this older
team and that was it was something along those lines.
You know, they still believe in this group they can
turn around, hence why they haven't made a move yet.
So what you're thinking, Well, I guess I feel like
long term it could still work in a playoff series.
My point would be at best, right now, it looks
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like the endgame is you get okay see in a
first round series.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Because Twitter they're gonna be.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
In that they look, they'll look.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Were so tired from winning sixty eight games a couple.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
They might take the last three weeks off. Yeah, if
they getting cruise control mode. Okay, up the breaks before
the playoffs and start resting all kinds of guys.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, the Clippers are gonna I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Again, I didn't hear the I didn't hear the thing.
It was just someone calling over the swell.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The Clippers are gonna have to win another nine out
of ten games to make the play in Probably it's
kind of where we're at. It'll be like last year,
but not for an actual playoff seed.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
There are four games out right now. Yeah, they got
going to run at some point.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well, that's a great segue. We're going to talk about
the next three games coming up, which if there was
ever a time to make a run and change some opinion,
it's against these opponents. If you're listening, there's gonna be
a quick audio break. If you'd like to watch us,
you can find us at YouTube dot com. Slash at
Clippers podcast coming up, just talking three games of hell
and then maybe some personnel changes in three to one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
All right, welcome back, into cliffs and div Thank you
so much for listening or for watching whoever you're consuming this.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
We know it's been hard.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
We talked about some of the difficulties, obviously disappointing performance
against the Grizzlies, more to the CP three saga that
we kind of thought was resolved, as well as Horance
Frank's meeting with the Swell. But now it's time to
look ahead to even more hell, which is the Clippers
next three opponents they take on Okay, see the Lakers
(28:37):
and then the Rockets. Folks, Is this about as bad
of a three games stretch as it.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Could get for this team right now?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Not only because of the difficulty of opponents, but you
have all conference and even a divisional rivalry hanging in
the balance.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
You know, the season has been so bad. I haven't
even thought of even process that we're not going to
win the PACTV this year by Larry O'Brien. But I
would like to see them maybe win one. I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I liked it. That's where we're at. I'd like to
see them. Yes, that's how I think.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Of these three.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Man beat the Lakers, beat the Lakers on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Please yeah, I'll tell you what. I don't like our
chances we see. I think the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Talking that one up as a hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think the Lakers provide the best option at going
one to two or this stretch.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
The Lakers have not been playing great basketball. The record
is definitely inflated. They're nine and zero in clutch time.
They keep winning every close game. Uh, Luca hasn't looked
great as of late.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
It's if you're gonna turn around the season, beat the
damn Lakers starts there. Beat Okay, see it would be nice,
but yeah, that's gonna be pretty tough since they just
lost to San Antonio and the Cup and uh, they're
probably pretty upset about.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
It or even not a gambling podcast in any way,
But I want to see the spread on that game.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Uh. I wonder how hard you know how Harden is
feeling after playing?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Should you just rest him a game?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He can't? That's the thing. It's like, how do you
arrest James Harden because it seems like Ty says it
all the time?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You hide his helmet.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
An article that I didn't like, Ramona talked about the
lack of a leap and I think that is disingenuous
because of how often we've heard guys talk about James
Harden specifically being this team. I thought that. I was like,
we have guys on record talk games, setting up workouts,
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like off he's in and like all that kind of stuff.
That part kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Also, can I just say this, If Chris.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Paul is this great leader that everyone in the locker
room loves so much, why is he on a different
team every year?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
People love this, If people love that, if people are begging.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
For this leadership in the locker room and they love
it so much, why is he on a fucking different
team every single year?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
I think it's fair.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Why even in his prime, did guys get worn out
playing next to him, even when he could drag you
along for victories. I just keep going back to the
picture he takes on the Zoom call with DJ and Blake.
It's like, great, wish you guys were this cool back
when you were playing together. I'm glad it's working out now.
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I don't know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
The one sidedness of what we're getting right now.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Which is all we'll get. That is all we're gonna get.
Don't if you're listening, Like, if you think that the
if you think the front office was totally one hundred
percent in the right, which I don't think either side
is one hundred percent in the right in this scenario
at all, you're not going to get anything. You're not
going to get a press release from Lawrence Frank apologizing
or like detailing situations that's just not That would be
(32:34):
so much worse for the Clippers. And we've already talked
about if they were like started some kind of weird
pissing contest with CP three.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I guess still technically.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I guess Lawrence Frank was pressed about the CP three
stuff at the meeting yesterday with the Swell, and it was,
you know, he knew people were wondering why he had
to go in the middle of the night, and he's like,
he knew about the meeting. We met for three hours.
You know, it wasn't something where this came out of nowhere.
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They had been meeting along the way, So I don't
know how it could be that much of a shock.
He apologized. Another report the same Ramona Shelburne report, this
time confirming the report from Lou Williams that he apologized
to the team at one point. You can look at
that two different ways. That's a great gesture from CP three.
It also is confirming obviously he was rubbing some guys
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the wrong way to feel like he had to apologize
at some point. So, like Chuck said, there's blame to
go around.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
There's a quote in that very article from an unnamed
GM who said that Chris Paul was a pain in
the ass to deal with when he was a great player,
and he's no longer a great player. Look at how
the relationships ended at every stop when Chris Paul was
in his prime.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Look at how it ended with the Clippers. Look how
it ended with the Rockets, Look how it ended with
the Suns.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Like, I just don't know what we're doing here. I
don't know how, I don't know how some of this
stuff is. How we're believing this this singular.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Narrative rights other than Chris Paul. Do we think any
personnel changes are coming? Ramona said the Clippers aren't ready
to pull the plug on Harden and Kawhi. I think
that makes sense. If you're getting negative trade value from
either of those guys, why would you try and trade them?
But like wind Horse also said, today during like a
(34:26):
Q and a on, I think Twitter or blue Sky
or something that zubots is absolutely not available. I don't
know how much to read into that, but do we
what changes? They said they kind of want to make
some changes and try and be competitive. Like Adam talked about,
like what do we the Kings are available, everyone on
the Kings rosters available, do we do something trying to
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get Keon Ellis like.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I've been bringing them up for a while.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I like, Keon, Yeah, what's your what are your what's
your favorite? Kaminga trade package right now?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Adam, what does he make it? It's like twenty four
twenty five, let me and he is.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'll tell you what. I don't think it's gone very well.
It seems like.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
No, the last month has been bad.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
He started off hot and now it's the same old thing.
Warriors fans are mad at Steve Kerr he's a anga.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And then next year is twenty four and it's a
club option.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
John Collins makes close to that. I don't know how
they feel about that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
But I was gonna say, how much how do we
feel about the future of John Collins, for the future
of Jonathan Kamingia.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well, Comingia is like six years younger, so I.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, he's a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I forget that he's like twenty four. Joseph ran Ward
has been.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Said, but what about twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Adam, everyone's gonna.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Be a contract is fine.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I am as I've been saying for weeks.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
I'm fine with any move that does not hurt them
with their salary cap situation and how clean the books
will be in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I Chuck posted something earlier? Or were you saying?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Chuck?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
We kind of went back and forth on X.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I mean you were right, I very much.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I was.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I was being crazy. I had to clarify it.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I said those nuance here.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I said, what does a trade look like for this
Clippers team? Probably set them up to follow the clear
cap plan and maybe get some picks back. A trade
to make them better this season with a thirty percent
run weight would be insanity. Then I clarified, I said,
a substantial trade to make them better would be insanity
because I don't we're not making noise in the playoffs.
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We might not even make the playoffs. And if you're
trading key guys, basically, I think, Adam, we're saying a
similar thing, like any trade that ruins the cap space
I don't like because there's not a lot of guys
right now who anyone who's available, who's making that much
money that far in the future, probably not playing very good.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I'd like to clarify something. I keep hearing this stupid.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Shit like who really gonna get is a freation? Nobody's
gonna come here, guys, you can. I don't think people
realize they have two first round picks. They can trade now,
you can trade and absorb someone into cap space. As
the years go along, they are going to continue to
open up cap space. And people don't want to hear
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about twenty twenty seven. It's a year and a half away.
It's a year and a half away. It is not
that far. While you're all doing the whole bit. I
can't believe how fast this year went. Well, guess what.
Twenty twenty seven is a year and a half away.
Guess what I'm not saying. You know, I want to
see the Clippers completely, you know, win twelve games like
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they did one season back in the day. Like somebody
told me earlier today, they're on pace to have their
worst season ever.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
It's like the worst season ever. They lost seventy games.
I don't think that's happening. But you know this, this
franchise is.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Don't clip this, please don't clip this.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I mean, I keep hearing there's no direction. There's no direction.
It's like there is a direction. They wanted to have
a two timeline thing where they could win now like
they did last season, winning fifty games, while maintaining all
that cap space.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
For the future.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
They were achieved right last season, they well overachieved. This season,
they well underachieved. But they are at least achieving that
one goal of calf space still and that has yet
to be compromised. And that's the one thing I would
not compromise in a trade. Now, if you're just trading
out expiring deals for expiring deals, I'm fine with that,
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just to switch things up and get a different look
and maybe a squad that, you know, the fan base
can get behind more so than they are right now
with this current crew, because I've seen a lot of
people say that, you know, they don't like the way
they play out there, they don't like their style of play,
all these different things. It's one thing to lose, it's
another to also hate the style of play and the
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type of losses we're.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Enduring right now.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
So maybe they make some lateral moves just to shake
things up with the roster. I don't know, but I'm
for anything that does not compromise future cap space.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
A second, that is doing let's let's sound and wave
tow again.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Come on, Honestly, that would actually probably be a great
move for the Clippers pr if they brought back.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And I have a lot of time believing if you
guys heard the same that well, because they did CP
three like this, no superstars are going to come here.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Nobody's gonna come here.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I heard the exact same thing for Blake like a
year before Kawhi came here. Guys, they will take the money,
they will take La, they will take Balm, or they
will take into it do and they have a one
of selling points still.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, we're not playing at the goddamn sports arena.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Like but yeah, things are bad right now aside from
my cell job there.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You're a teacher, I totally agree. But I don't know, man,
if we trade for DeMar de Ros and will be
upset because that does not help the style of play.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
What are they trading? Like, No, let me know what
the trade is, and I'll tell you if I'm gonna
be upset. How could you be that up?
Speaker 5 (40:33):
They're six and twenty. How could you be that upset
with any trade right now?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I just don't want to watch them play basketball on
this team, is why it's selfish. I just don't want
to watch demardar Roze play basketball on this team.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
But if you trade, this team will look different because
you're giving things up. Like I I'm just very open
to anything right now because it's been so bad so far.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Where are you at?
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Maybe be care what you wish for, but how much
worse can it get?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well? Have you seen some of the trades? Josephry Ward is.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Love Joseph put it on the screen.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
We're talking night. We're talking a whole whole new rotation, dude,
we're talking guys out night, guys out. Sorry, all right,
I don't do we have anything? I don't really, let's
get out of here.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
Well, I want to ask you guys again, like, are
you good with a full teardown? Because I pulled the
clip earlier and put it up on X of us
talking when we were four and ten? Really, oh God,
will brought it up first, he said, Oh, if you
get to twenty losses before ten wins, this is this
is miserable, this is ugly, there's no coming back from this.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Well, there's six twenty. So would would you be okay with.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
A complete blow up because best case scenario might be
a first round series against Okay, see best case?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I think if I'm down with a teardown, if they
keep this vision of rebuilding in the future alive, like
if it's trying to try to adjust this like gap
situation and win in the interim, again, fine with that
as long as they're maintaining flexibility in the future moving
forward once things open up. But you know, to to
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try and give up anything substantial or sacrifice future flexibility
to try to quote unquote win now.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
That what seems really foolhardy.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
But I also just don't think that that is something
that's in the cards for this front office, regardless of
what you think of Larry Frank or.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, before he was Laurence Fishburn, he was Larry Okay, No, yeah,
he was fourteen or.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
I think if you can do a full tear down,
you probably have a negative. All the rumors is that
like Kawhi is a negative trade asset, so that can
still work with their plan to keep things open for
twenty seven, right, like somehow like if you can make
(43:23):
that work and you can get a pick and a
player involved in a Zubot's trade, or maybe two picks
in a player or something, I say, I.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Think it's got to be more than one considering what
he makes.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
And I agree, But the Clippers are also over a
barrel right now. They don't have any negotiating power with
any of these trades.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Like it's not like, well, the negotiating power is more
than one team would be interested in the beach sea.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
It depends on the market. Yeah, but so.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm saying, if you can do that, then yeah, let's
do it. Let's do a Joseph Fryer Award trade where
like six guys go out and we get eight guys
like and.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
We're young guys and we're not caring about okay, so
you're getting a top five picks.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
We have a pick. Oh I could not this is
I could not care less about. Okay, See having a
top five the pick is gone no matter what's gone,
Like does it does it?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Does it suck?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
If it's a lottery pick of course, yes, like there's
no way around that, but the pick is gone regardless.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Uh so then yeah, it's like, yeah, let's get some
young guys. We have a pick next year that we
could pack it, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
I'm more pro full teardown than I am remix remix exactly.
I'm there's no untouchables, No, no one is.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I think is where is where we're all at.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, we won't give up future cap space.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
We untouchable. That's literally maybe the one untouchable cap space.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
We're not giving up our expiring contracts that set us
up nicely for twenty twenty seven. For guys that are
on long term deals, We're not doing that. Yeah, and
I agree with Will. I don't think the front office
would do.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
That either, right. Yeah, the reality and planning for this forever.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Doesn't feel good. I don't like these options.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
No, it's bad. But we were like double four and ten.
Let's say they're eight and twenty.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
There're six and twenty, not even that, and they just
lost to a team that was missing some really good
players at home.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Badly, they're most likely going to be they went to
out of the next three.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I bet you guys.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Dude, I was just about to say they're gonna be
like seven and twenty two before Christmas.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
I hope, Like what that would mean they split the
next four?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
No, it means they win one.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Oh, you're right, even.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
Worse still, I hope. What do we all say for
the road trip? It was like they went one in
four on the five game road trip.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
This team. I do drive January every year, and this
team is going to make Drid January harder than it's
ever been.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
I just keep thinking of this quote from l Frank
at the CP three press or saying, quote, if I
if I'm wrong and this roster isn't capable of doing more,
as always, will be aggressive in trying to fix it.
We'll explore every avenue to make this team better. They're
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six and twenty now. This was December third. I think
we know I I don't think there's a mix with
this particular roster that that's.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Gonna turn things around this season. There's there's too many holds.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Maybe if they got DJ back and you know, some
guys started hitting more shots from the outside, But last
night to me was like, okay, I felt like they
should have done a move sometime in the last two
weeks when they had four days off. But now there's
more options because December fifteenth has passed. How do they
not do a move in the next two weeks? How
do they not do some move in the next two weeks.
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And I don't mean a CP three move for nothing,
just to get him somewhere else. I mean a move
to try to help this team.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
I just I gotta not completely embarrass themselves.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Basically, it'll happen on Christmas, even Christmas, I guarantee it.
It'll be inconvenient time for any for a.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Lou last night also said something to the effect of,
you know, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster, And he
said that a few times this season, Like I don't
know if he's asking for a roster change, like, yeah,
teams are better than we are, look at what we
have to work with. I don't know if that's what
he's getting at there, but felt like it a little
bit last night. Yeah, I wonder that, Like I think
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we've talked about it before, but if they did do
a teardown, just coach, we want to be here.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
I think you brought this up, Chuck.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I think any front officer. Coaching stuff happens in the
off season. I think if we did a full tear like,
I think that happens in the off season. If you
want Tyler or Lawrence Frank gone, you're gonna have to
wait for the off season.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
Somebody called in last night, and somebody called in last
night and they were like, oh, I didn't I didn't
like what what Lawrence Frank allegedly said at at the
press conference at the court by meeting last night.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
And I said, what would you like him to say?
Speaker 5 (48:50):
And the guy goes, I think it's Clipper Edward, who
does call in. He's a listener. Yeah, but he's like, well,
say that be a man and just resign. It's like, okay,
so you want him to quit?
Speaker 4 (49:04):
You know what I thought about?
Speaker 5 (49:06):
I said, you want him to do something unprecedented. But
I guess it's not because Magic quit right at the
end of the season with the Lakers back in twenty
eighteen or whatever it was. But I was like, come on, man,
what about something realistic?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, he wants him to resign him and say, and
you are replacing me?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, so too much to ask?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Too much to ask.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Honestly, we're at the point where we could just have
a competition to let a fan.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Play open tryouts. How about that? That's what I want
for the open tryouts. Have him on the court outside
ahead of the game. Good shit, that's a wacky outing
open tryout.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
What's the movie with the Philadelphia Eagles and Mark Wahlberg
coming Invincible?
Speaker 4 (49:54):
We'll find our guy, maybe we will.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
And that guy played a bunch in the NFL. All right,
that about wraps things up. Thank you for hanging out.
Probably gonna do a Friday Happy Hour hang depending what
happens against the Thunder on Thursday. Probably the next full
episode will be on Monday. Will I think we do
(50:18):
a better job doing this podcast? And maybe the Slippers
are playing basketball? Where could people share their feelings about that?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, you can shower us with praise over on Apple
Podcasts or Spotify, and of course listen to us wherever
you get your podcast.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
You can also shower.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
With us with praise over on YouTube dot com as
at Clippers Podcast.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
But however you listen wherever you watch, you know we
appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
We very much do. An Adam hardest part of any
Clippers reporter right now, give us something positive?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Who boys?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Sit in the depths of hell. You know you're not watching,
You're missing.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
Originally this game against Okaysee was tomorrow, but because OKAC
got so far in the nd season tournament, it bumped
it back the Thursday, and so it gives the Clippers
a little bit more time to scheme and plan ahead
and for James Harden to heal up and maybe DJ
comes back miraculously early, but it does sound like he
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is on track to come back sooner than later, so
that there is that's positive right there.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
They need DJ badly.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
We need DJ badly. Could not agree more. Thank y'all
for hanging out. Here's to good rest of the week.
I'm Chuck Mocker for Adam O's waving up like and
as always, let's go Clips.
What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season four,
episode fifteen of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Buckler,
joined by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. No, we were
not giggling at how poorly the Clippers played last night.
We were laughing because I was reminding Adam how good
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laughs during this hellscape that is the Clipper season. We're
gonna talk to CP three article. We're gonna talk about
the Swell visit with Lawrence Frank. They apparently tried to
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play basketball last night and they have a hellish schedule
on deck. But before we get into all of that, Adam,
will how the heck are you fellas doing another day
after the worst loss of the season. You know I'm
doing all right.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm a little surprised about the way this Chris Paul
news is again sort of like making the rounds and
sort of like re upsetting people when there's not really
much of note new to add to this, and again
a lot of this information seems like it's kind of
coming from Chris's camp, so you know, take it all
with a grand assault. But the bad vibes surrounding the Clippers,
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and I don't even mean the team personally, I mean
in the way they're perceived, certainly the slant against them
from a journalistic perspective, which started with Fablo Dori as
it continued throughout this entire season. So not only do
we have to suck shit as a basketball team, we
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also get every loser on the internet throwing tomatoes at
us as well.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So it's good, it's good.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It does feel like the worst it's been since the
previous owner press wise. Not comparing the two scenarios obviously,
but press vibes, Adam.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
What happened before?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Who when Oprah was the owinn? Or two was in
the mix?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Adam? You're talking to the people of Clipper Nation a
lot more than we are. How are you doing today?
How was the Opo Loko?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, things are so bad.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I had to disagree with agree with Matt Moore about
something which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Whoa are there? Are there two sons? Are there two moons.
Where are we?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
It's episode episode four again two sons with Luke's in
and out there of course family gets burned up.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, things are bad.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Last night was bad and people are upset. I was
confident going into last night. I gotta be honest. If
you can't beat that Memphis team three days off at home,
that's that's as good an opportunities you could have, especially
if you just played as hard as you did the
three prior games. You know, the three prior games, there
was plenty of good process. They didn't show up at
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the very end of those games and had some real issues.
But this game, they couldn't make it past six minutes.
Like that six minutes was the maximum amount they could
give you of decent basketball. Like they did not have
one good quarter.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I mean how many good quarters have they had
all year? Can you count them on two hands? Six?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
They recently they probably have had like ten because they
could they will win the first three quarters multiple times
they were good. So twelve, I mean, I know they
went one and four on the trip, but we felt like, hey,
there were some good signs, some good positive signs here,
and last night there was nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
There was nothing. Do we what do we want to
talk about in terms of the actual game last night,
Zubots not ideal. Zubots was bad last night. Everyone was
bad last night.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I think Zubots wasn't great in the first half. It's also, uh,
if you have Kobe Brown out there and they are
playing off of him like he's Russell Westbrook shooting threes
or Draymond Green a couple of years ago, they were
doubling Zoo like the entire time and he got six
shots off, and I just I was shocked at how
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much Kobe Brown played.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The lineup that got demolished was Harden, Bogie, Jordan Miller,
Kobe Sanders, Kobe Brown. That lineup I think gave up.
Joey Linn put it out. He gave it was like
eight straight buckets.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
At the end of the third.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, they thought that he got tired. I'm scoring all
those baskets.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And I say this as someone who at one point
was like Kobe Brown, maybe there's something there. Uh, the
shooting was an anomaly. Missoo that one year he shot good,
one year from three and it hasn't come back. Foot
speed isn't there. Again, this is not all on Kobe Brown.
By Tyler was crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
If they had, but just like trying to throw anything
at the wall.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Though at this point, I think.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Sure we've seen some of it.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
If they had Niko Batouma last night, Kobe Brown might
not even play.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Probably didn't play.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, that's a good call.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That up ended lineups. But I still felt like I
would have rather tried Lopez. I would have tried Kobe
Sanders for more time. I'm not worried about Santi al
Dama posting him up like he's not his game.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I thought it was a little baffling.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
But I get it you want to have some more
size out there, but not really because we've seen it.
I know he had been playing the last couple of games.
It seemed to be a matchup thing, but he was
out before that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I just need with no Batoum available, and like to
your point, like, couldn't we try what's what's two minutes
of brook lob has looked.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Like after Kobe Brown missed the first four to three
pointers he took.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I would have tried it, but I think he started
to all six to me outside.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Shoot or shoot dude. The intensity. I mean, our bench
got out scored again? How many times this year, has
our bench been outscored by one other guy on the
other team's bench.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well, according to John Collins, not possible.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Right, we'll talk about that. Spencer went off talking a
bunch of shit, as you should if you're shooting that well,
Will how much are you reading into the no postgame
from Kawhir Harden.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I think it's a bad look at home.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Mm. I think that's fair. I think on the road
it's a little more. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, Adam.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I don't love it.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I saw at the end of the first half James
Harden was dribbling out the clock. End of the second quarter,
he gave it up to Kobe Brown on the left
wing with like two seconds left for a grenade. Kobe
Brown gave it back to him, he shot I think
an air ball, and Kawhi is on the floor and
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he looked over as they're walking into the tunnel, like
what just happened there? So I'm sure neither guy was
very happy last night. I'm not saying they were upset
with one another.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I don't know, of.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Course, hard to be happy at whatever. I rex six
and twenty Yeah, you're in twenty six, like and Harden
had the contusion in his calf, but he played. I
don't know that contributed to anything. Just a rough night,
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and it's just kind of every single game of watching
the Clippers kind of felt like yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I thought yesterday it was easily a new low because
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Will happened those We've had so many of those this year.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I know. But the Minnesota and Houston game, there was
real progress. The game where they're tied at ninety eight
in Memphis with four minutes left and they just can't score,
there was progress. Last night, they got blown out in
the second half at home to a Memphis team that
didn't even have Zach Edy.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Joe was bad out there.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Cam Spencer had confidence because I think he went six
of six against them last time.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And he's been hot, like almost yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
He shooting like sixty from three the last ten games.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
But and they were losing him. That was the other part.
We're losing Pat Spencer on the perimeter, and it's like, guys,
that's the guy.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Don't go underscreens against a shooter like that. He also
had a couple of ridiculous shots, but you know, that's
part for the course against Clippers, somebody's going to do that.
The shooting against them has been crazy, even Bumpet, Well,
it's the defense. There are times where we're seeing some
crazy shooting, but I guess if it keeps happening, it's
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it's more so than an outlier, it's a trend.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
There's no fear. There's no fear for this.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Like they're wearing no fear shirts out there on the.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Corner, like this defense like no part of this team
or you like, oh no, like they kicked it into gear.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Kawhi starts fast. He had seven points in the first
quarter and got five shots right away, but then pretty
much cooled off and didn't exactly have pedal to the
medal with his offense, even though he's playing more minutes
now and is off the restriction. In the last two games,
James Harden kind of looked like a show of himself.
Did Kobe Brown get up more shots than him in
the game yesterday?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Miles Harden was hurt. That's what's so frustrating too.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
It's like, no, I know, that was the reason.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I'm just saying, like, so, yeah, where are they going
to fear when they can just double zubas the entire
time they don't have Zach Edie and Zubos gets up
six shots against that Memphis team.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, if you can double zoo in, the Clippers offense
can't create anything.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It's uh just lights out.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
That's honestly one of the most frustrating things. Coach Lee
was asked about it post game by Lot Murray about
zoom only getting six shots. He's like, well, did you
watch through doublin And he's right, I'm also thinking, how
are they not getting anything more out of this? Well,
the main reason is because Kobe Brown was out there
and like, that's your open shot.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
They're left right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's like it's like when Dunn gets the open threes,
that is who is getting the shot there. The defense
is playing so that guy gets the shot.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, this was even more extreme, Like this was more
extreme than Shengoon.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Sagging off of Dunn in Houston. What they were doing
to Kobe Brown. There was zero respect out there. It
was total Russell Westbrook treatment. Oh and by the way,
who is available for trade the Clippers now?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Who? The Clippers now are giving up.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
The highest percentage from three in the league.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Teams are shooting thirty nine percent.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Number one, number one.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Some would say thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But okay, yeah, well I'm sortin by a different matter.
I'm looking at different numbers I think. Sorry, I just
had a weird look on my face because Rachel Nichols
just tweeted out, Oh, do we have anything else we
want to say about the game?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Just will thoughts.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
The fans were upset. The environment was not great last night.
You know when they cheered the most, it was on
effort plays. There was a plan in the first half
where they got three straight offensive rebounds and eventually Kawhi
hit a jumper and the crowd got into it because
they loved seeing that effort from them.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But outside of that, there wasn't a lot to cheer for.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Story of the twenty five twenty six Clippers. So Rachel
Nichols just tweeted out, I don't know why. Like Adam,
Silver says he's spoken to Chris Paul since the Clippers
asked him to leave the team and is dismayed for
everyone involved. Silver says he hoped CP three plays for
another team this season so we can finish out his
retirement year. Silver and Paul have a very friendly personal
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relationship and work closely together for years. When Paul was
the president of the Players Association. The man is a
master politician. He is one of the most point guards
of all time, and he is one of the best
politic politicians who've ever played the game.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I'll say too, like to Adam's point, he's you know,
said this. Throughout this Christ Baul thing, the Clippers knew
all this, you know, when they came to make this decision,
how bad it was going to look, and how you know,
like Chris Paul would be able to align himself with
all the you know, major factors in the league.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And they still opted to move forward with it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So that might give you.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
A like a little bit if you're thinking critically, if
you even have your your.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Half cap on an insight into how things were going
internally there.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, their only chance winning this PR battle was winning
and they're now one in five since CP three has
left one in four, one in five. If they were
actually winning games, some people might go, oh, I guess,
I guess, you know, alleviate some of the pressure and
guys are playing loose out there, and it hasn't worked obviously,
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But they also made it clear they didn't have a
losing record because of CP three. They weren't scapegoating him.
That wasn't the issue.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, the I thought La Clippers film had a nice
kind of tweet summation of the article that came out.
He said, what happens when you signed Chris Paul as
the Patty Mills replacement and then he outperforms that role
in camp? And Robert Floum kind of said, like him
playing better gave him more influence, which made the benching
so much, you know, messier to go through. It feels
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like the marketing aspect of the Clippers one here, but
it turned out horribly Like it's a great pr move
to have CP three on the team if he's down
to be in the Patty Mills role, but he wasn't.
And then it kind of oscillated and we get and
again I'm not like CP three has there's a lot
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of PROP three, you know, like, but I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
This even comes down to just roll because even in
the argument, like in the ESPN article, which was very
favorable to Chris Paul, I mean they talked about the
way that he was like speaking to some of the coaches,
uh and and you know, talking on like talking about
how things should be made and and like they even
mentioned in the article, which again is very favorable to
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Chris Paul, how there were multiple talks between the coaching
staff and the front office about there are better ways
to phrase this, like this is how this is kind
of being perceived by some of the people's staff and
players included. Uh, and maybe there's a way to be
less divisive with some of these comments.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And that's what frustrat That adds to kind of my
frustration because I'm like, everyone knows who Chris Paul is,
everyone knows what his style of but like, that doesn't
mean you get to do I'm not excusing his behavior.
I'm more upset that the Clippers were like, what's he doing? Doctor?
It hurts when I do this, don't do that.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
They thought it wasn't going to happen because they were
going to be good, and if they were good, when
he would have cured all in this situation. They weren't,
and neither was he despite looking good, yes in preseason
and I guess a training camp, but WHOA for those
wondering why he was getting dnps like he started off
one of five, all one, two of four, oh two,
one of four.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
He wasn't playing well out there at all.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He couldn't move. Early in the season, it was dribble.
It was dribble up, turn your back to the defender
right at half court, and then we're kind of in
this like, well, shit, like what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
The defensive end of the ball was a major weak point,
like for the for the team in general, So it
makes sense to slim that sort of rotation for Aguard.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Like that, Hey, he couldn't get the ball into the
frontcour fast enough. He couldn't guard on the other end.
I love CB three, but everybody was going, wow, this
is not what we expected or what we saw last season.
So if anybody scratched in their head, well why was
he getting DNPS?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think there was some reason for that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
But if that was, if that was the initial issue
in him not signing up for this, they well they
thought you also were going to look as you did
last season and they had to try something else. And
they made it clear at the press conference that he
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is a reserve guard, that that was the verbiage reserve guard.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And a really good tweet when this and he got
signed where he broke down. Let me see if I
can find it. He had a really good breakdown of
like basically, here we go. Yeah, okay. Law Murray tweeted
it was a minute ago. Bradley Beal replaces Norm Powell,
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John Collins replaces a Mere Coffee, Brook Lopez replaces Ben Simmons,
Chris Paul replaces Patty Mills fully healthy roster. That is
what the breakdown was, and I believe that Obviously that's
a lot guessing, but if you look at that personnel,
that is what he was brought in for. I will
say I don't know if this part was trued out
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of the article. I respect Chris Paul forgetting trying to
get to the team, to get to some borderline wacky outings. Yes,
I appreciate that I have been preaching bowling or paintball
or something. He did a birthday party. Not a lot
of people showed up from the team showed up Halloween party, buddy.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I appreciated that question. This is the biggest part of
the article that I had an issue with. Do we
think the bench was killing the starters in practice? Per
John Collins, we were kicking the starter's ass. I do
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not believe that that happened to that extent. They said
repeatedly in the article, and I'm like, well, I'll tell
you what, Robin Lopez or whoever was out there, is
the backup five, maybe bring some of that energy to
the actual basketball court.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's just echoes of like what we
heard in training camp that Brook Lopez was the best
looking guy.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Here's the most surprising guy. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I don't think they were routinely beating the clip the
starters in practice.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, and if they were, it was because guys were
playing their way into shap.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Like you know, so maybe they were in the team.
That's just indicative how shitty the team.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I mean, what's the what's the significance of that?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
We saw what happened in the regular season, and the
bench has been really bad, hasn't been good.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
With the starters either. Like it's like, again, bring some
of that mentality to to playing with the guys.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Like just that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm surprised cons went on record in this and I
think it's a I think it's an embarrassing look.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It's a bit of a weird look.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I was even wondering was that a quote from something
we missed in training camp that was pulled back then?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Because they're clearly they're clearly.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Pulling the quote from Collins over the weekend saying that
it's a lot quieter last week. It's been a lot
quieter since three is gone. We all saw that video.
Was this something that he said back when it happened
and that, and it's so weird, was you know what
was the context?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And he was awake for this guy. So there's a
connection with those two there. So it's like when when
he said that like it was quieter today, I interpreted
that as like, oh, John Collins is probably getting yelled
at by Chris Paul for his defense. Don't necessarily disagree
with Chris Paul there, but now it's like, what, like again,
this adds to kind of like just the shroud of
what the hell is going on to the entirety of
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the Clipper season right now? No one is on the
same page about anything.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
The quieter thing, you know that video is out there
is the other one out there about them kicking their
ass in training camp like when it happened in training camp, right,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Know what does it matter?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Like I'm honestly I love CP three, Yeah, I love
CP three. Uh, this situation is really unfortunate and everybody's
gonna be leave who.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
They want to believe, which is three.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, most people are gonna side with CP three because
they're down on Coach Lou and they're down on Lawrence
Frank right now, I don't know why we got to
take sides, right. I would love if he came out
and spoke about it, if the Clippers said came out
and said more about it, I'd be more interested in
that than another article like this, which, as Will said,
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was favorable towards CP three.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's not going to get anything from the Clippers fo,
because they're not going to throw them this ball out
of the damn bus after all of them.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Because that, like that, that's even worse. Like that, that
makes it even worse. You already have a season where
you've done nothing to really gain the benefit of the
doubt for you know, like getting anyone's good graces, like
the one sort of uh you know, move outside of
like the hope of the team obviously just performing well
was sort of this like retirement story amid the the
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other ship storm of stuff surrounding the organization. And so no,
you can't do that, like that's only gonna make it worse.
And you know, I went back to this when we
you know, when the when they first sent him home.
It's like this team, while they're losing this much, there
is nothing that they can do right, Like, truly, the
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only thing they can do right is try to spring
a couple wins together. Like addressing the situation further or
throwing Chris Paul under the bus further isn't gonna help anything.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Like they want to have a relationship with him moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
They're gonna retire his jersey. It should be like.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They would retire as jersey. Can you can you imagine
Chris Paul retired and not like the Clippers not having his.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Jersey retired at some point, that would be insane.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Thunder Will put it up just to piss off the
Clippers first.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's unconscionable.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
It's bad. Anything else on this before we get to
Lawrence Frank's talk with the Swell, I'll tell you what.
I hope it's not a part too tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It just stinks, man, And.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
That's the thing. Picking sides helps nothing in this scenario.
It just sucks. Ass We can all admit that it's
gross and it sucks. That's really how I just feel disappointed.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
It's real civil war house divided type vibes here, and
I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, Captain American and iron Man fighting. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Who's who? Because wait, I was on iron Man's side,
and I think the particular fight you're talking about. I'm
not even a nerd like that, but I know what
fight you're talking about, and I'm on iron man'side.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I'd have to watch it again. Only saw it once.
It had Black Panthers premiere, which was awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So pregame, Lawrence Frank met with the swell. We asked
people on Twitter how this went. I was looking at
the LA Clippers subreddit, which is not as unhinged as
I thought it would be. We got a couple of tweets.
He just summarized the season up until that point, briefly
went over the CP three situation, the Blake trade, and
answered questions. Lawrence Frank kept blaming himself. But other than that,
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nothing new that we haven't heard before, just you know not.
I don't know how else it was gonna go other
than corporately smooth, right, Like, no one's gonna get up
there and grab the mic and be like, what the
fuck are you doing right? Because that would not help
anything or get you an answer, and we're just like
kind of in an age where a team this big
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isn't going to really.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Have like.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, like what are you really getting out of this?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
This was a huge nothing like fake gesture support.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Not that they you know, like not that it's up
to Lawrence Frank to give anything to the fans or
anything like that, but this to me just struck me
as just a sort of like we talked about it yesterday,
like one of those kind of like hollow corporate.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Sures that never like who else has done this before? Though,
like when does happen? Yeah, it's I'll give him credit
for that. He stood there.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Apparently somebody called in from the Swell post game and
was like I was there.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It was him like under the basket and everyone around him.
So like the setting was pretty cool. You'll never like.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Pollotories that it looked like a video for like lords
Frank raised thirty Clippers fans like one of those.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I will say should have sat on the chair backwards.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Sure that would have.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, should have dangerous mind, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
The question is is it really worse than not doing
it with how many people have been outraged. Yeah, I
don't think so. It sounded like the person who called
in it's just one. I don't know how many people
were there, but uh, they seem to be appreciative enough.
The one thing they said that he mentioned that I
kind of raised an eyebrow to I get it. But
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he talked about, you know, they believe the pace can
slow down in the playoffs and that this team could
be better in the playoffs. Like I'm just I'm relaying
what I heard from this person. So it's you know,
second hand, third hand information here if they could get
into a playoff series. But as I mentioned last week,
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if the best case to.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Watch from home when they slows down, they won't be confused.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Well, I guess there was a question about this older
team and that was it was something along those lines.
You know, they still believe in this group they can
turn around, hence why they haven't made a move yet.
So what you're thinking, Well, I guess I feel like
long term it could still work in a playoff series.
My point would be at best, right now, it looks
(26:55):
like the endgame is you get okay see in a
first round series.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Because Twitter they're gonna be.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
In that they look, they'll look.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Were so tired from winning sixty eight games a couple.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
They might take the last three weeks off. Yeah, if
they getting cruise control mode. Okay, up the breaks before
the playoffs and start resting all kinds of guys.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, the Clippers are gonna I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Again, I didn't hear the I didn't hear the thing.
It was just someone calling over the swell.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The Clippers are gonna have to win another nine out
of ten games to make the play in Probably it's
kind of where we're at. It'll be like last year,
but not for an actual playoff seed.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
There are four games out right now. Yeah, they got
going to run at some point.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well, that's a great segue. We're going to talk about
the next three games coming up, which if there was
ever a time to make a run and change some opinion,
it's against these opponents. If you're listening, there's gonna be
a quick audio break. If you'd like to watch us,
you can find us at YouTube dot com. Slash at
Clippers podcast coming up, just talking three games of hell
and then maybe some personnel changes in three to one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
All right, welcome back, into cliffs and div Thank you
so much for listening or for watching whoever you're consuming this.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
We know it's been hard.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
We talked about some of the difficulties, obviously disappointing performance
against the Grizzlies, more to the CP three saga that
we kind of thought was resolved, as well as Horance
Frank's meeting with the Swell. But now it's time to
look ahead to even more hell, which is the Clippers
next three opponents they take on Okay, see the Lakers
(28:37):
and then the Rockets. Folks, Is this about as bad
of a three games stretch as it.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Could get for this team right now?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Not only because of the difficulty of opponents, but you
have all conference and even a divisional rivalry hanging in
the balance.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
You know, the season has been so bad. I haven't
even thought of even process that we're not going to
win the PACTV this year by Larry O'Brien. But I
would like to see them maybe win one. I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I liked it. That's where we're at. I'd like to
see them. Yes, that's how I think.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Of these three.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Man beat the Lakers, beat the Lakers on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Please yeah, I'll tell you what. I don't like our
chances we see. I think the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Talking that one up as a hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think the Lakers provide the best option at going
one to two or this stretch.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
The Lakers have not been playing great basketball. The record
is definitely inflated. They're nine and zero in clutch time.
They keep winning every close game. Uh, Luca hasn't looked
great as of late.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
It's if you're gonna turn around the season, beat the
damn Lakers starts there. Beat Okay, see it would be nice,
but yeah, that's gonna be pretty tough since they just
lost to San Antonio and the Cup and uh, they're
probably pretty upset about.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
It or even not a gambling podcast in any way,
But I want to see the spread on that game.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Uh. I wonder how hard you know how Harden is
feeling after playing?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Should you just rest him a game?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He can't? That's the thing. It's like, how do you
arrest James Harden because it seems like Ty says it
all the time?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You hide his helmet.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
An article that I didn't like, Ramona talked about the
lack of a leap and I think that is disingenuous
because of how often we've heard guys talk about James
Harden specifically being this team. I thought that. I was like,
we have guys on record talk games, setting up workouts,
(31:13):
like off he's in and like all that kind of stuff.
That part kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Also, can I just say this, If Chris.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Paul is this great leader that everyone in the locker
room loves so much, why is he on a different
team every year?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
People love this, If people love that, if people are begging.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
For this leadership in the locker room and they love
it so much, why is he on a fucking different
team every single year?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
I think it's fair.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Why even in his prime, did guys get worn out
playing next to him, even when he could drag you
along for victories. I just keep going back to the
picture he takes on the Zoom call with DJ and Blake.
It's like, great, wish you guys were this cool back
when you were playing together. I'm glad it's working out now.
(32:03):
I don't know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
The one sidedness of what we're getting right now.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Which is all we'll get. That is all we're gonna get.
Don't if you're listening, Like, if you think that the
if you think the front office was totally one hundred
percent in the right, which I don't think either side
is one hundred percent in the right in this scenario
at all, you're not going to get anything. You're not
going to get a press release from Lawrence Frank apologizing
or like detailing situations that's just not That would be
(32:34):
so much worse for the Clippers. And we've already talked
about if they were like started some kind of weird
pissing contest with CP three.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I guess still technically.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I guess Lawrence Frank was pressed about the CP three
stuff at the meeting yesterday with the Swell, and it was,
you know, he knew people were wondering why he had
to go in the middle of the night, and he's like,
he knew about the meeting. We met for three hours.
You know, it wasn't something where this came out of nowhere.
(33:07):
They had been meeting along the way, So I don't
know how it could be that much of a shock.
He apologized. Another report the same Ramona Shelburne report, this
time confirming the report from Lou Williams that he apologized
to the team at one point. You can look at
that two different ways. That's a great gesture from CP three.
It also is confirming obviously he was rubbing some guys
(33:30):
the wrong way to feel like he had to apologize
at some point. So, like Chuck said, there's blame to
go around.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
There's a quote in that very article from an unnamed
GM who said that Chris Paul was a pain in
the ass to deal with when he was a great player,
and he's no longer a great player. Look at how
the relationships ended at every stop when Chris Paul was
in his prime.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Look at how it ended with the Clippers. Look how
it ended with the Rockets, Look how it ended with
the Suns.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Like, I just don't know what we're doing here. I
don't know how, I don't know how some of this
stuff is. How we're believing this this singular.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Narrative rights other than Chris Paul. Do we think any
personnel changes are coming? Ramona said the Clippers aren't ready
to pull the plug on Harden and Kawhi. I think
that makes sense. If you're getting negative trade value from
either of those guys, why would you try and trade them?
But like wind Horse also said, today during like a
(34:26):
Q and a on, I think Twitter or blue Sky
or something that zubots is absolutely not available. I don't
know how much to read into that, but do we
what changes? They said they kind of want to make
some changes and try and be competitive. Like Adam talked about,
like what do we the Kings are available, everyone on
the Kings rosters available, do we do something trying to
(34:47):
get Keon Ellis like.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I've been bringing them up for a while.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I like, Keon, Yeah, what's your what are your what's
your favorite? Kaminga trade package right now?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Adam, what does he make it? It's like twenty four
twenty five, let me and he is.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'll tell you what. I don't think it's gone very well.
It seems like.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
No, the last month has been bad.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
He started off hot and now it's the same old thing.
Warriors fans are mad at Steve Kerr he's a anga.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And then next year is twenty four and it's a
club option.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
John Collins makes close to that. I don't know how
they feel about that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
But I was gonna say, how much how do we
feel about the future of John Collins, for the future
of Jonathan Kamingia.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well, Comingia is like six years younger, so I.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, he's a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I forget that he's like twenty four. Joseph ran Ward
has been.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Said, but what about twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Adam, everyone's gonna.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Be a contract is fine.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I am as I've been saying for weeks.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
I'm fine with any move that does not hurt them
with their salary cap situation and how clean the books
will be in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I Chuck posted something earlier? Or were you saying?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Chuck?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
We kind of went back and forth on X.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I mean you were right, I very much.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I was.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I was being crazy. I had to clarify it.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I said those nuance here.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I said, what does a trade look like for this
Clippers team? Probably set them up to follow the clear
cap plan and maybe get some picks back. A trade
to make them better this season with a thirty percent
run weight would be insanity. Then I clarified, I said,
a substantial trade to make them better would be insanity
because I don't we're not making noise in the playoffs.
(36:42):
We might not even make the playoffs. And if you're
trading key guys, basically, I think, Adam, we're saying a
similar thing, like any trade that ruins the cap space
I don't like because there's not a lot of guys
right now who anyone who's available, who's making that much
money that far in the future, probably not playing very good.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I'd like to clarify something. I keep hearing this stupid.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Shit like who really gonna get is a freation? Nobody's
gonna come here, guys, you can. I don't think people
realize they have two first round picks. They can trade now,
you can trade and absorb someone into cap space. As
the years go along, they are going to continue to
open up cap space. And people don't want to hear
(37:26):
about twenty twenty seven. It's a year and a half away.
It's a year and a half away. It is not
that far. While you're all doing the whole bit. I
can't believe how fast this year went. Well, guess what.
Twenty twenty seven is a year and a half away.
Guess what I'm not saying. You know, I want to
see the Clippers completely, you know, win twelve games like
(37:50):
they did one season back in the day. Like somebody
told me earlier today, they're on pace to have their
worst season ever.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
It's like the worst season ever. They lost seventy games.
I don't think that's happening. But you know this, this
franchise is.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Don't clip this, please don't clip this.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I mean, I keep hearing there's no direction. There's no direction.
It's like there is a direction. They wanted to have
a two timeline thing where they could win now like
they did last season, winning fifty games, while maintaining all
that cap space.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
For the future.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
They were achieved right last season, they well overachieved. This season,
they well underachieved. But they are at least achieving that
one goal of calf space still and that has yet
to be compromised. And that's the one thing I would
not compromise in a trade. Now, if you're just trading
out expiring deals for expiring deals, I'm fine with that,
(38:49):
just to switch things up and get a different look
and maybe a squad that, you know, the fan base
can get behind more so than they are right now
with this current crew, because I've seen a lot of
people say that, you know, they don't like the way
they play out there, they don't like their style of play,
all these different things. It's one thing to lose, it's
another to also hate the style of play and the
(39:11):
type of losses we're.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Enduring right now.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
So maybe they make some lateral moves just to shake
things up with the roster. I don't know, but I'm
for anything that does not compromise future cap space.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
A second, that is doing let's let's sound and wave
tow again.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Come on, Honestly, that would actually probably be a great
move for the Clippers pr if they brought back.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And I have a lot of time believing if you
guys heard the same that well, because they did CP
three like this, no superstars are going to come here.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Nobody's gonna come here.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I heard the exact same thing for Blake like a
year before Kawhi came here. Guys, they will take the money,
they will take La, they will take Balm, or they
will take into it do and they have a one
of selling points still.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, we're not playing at the goddamn sports arena.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Like but yeah, things are bad right now aside from
my cell job there.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You're a teacher, I totally agree. But I don't know, man,
if we trade for DeMar de Ros and will be
upset because that does not help the style of play.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
What are they trading? Like, No, let me know what
the trade is, and I'll tell you if I'm gonna
be upset. How could you be that up?
Speaker 5 (40:33):
They're six and twenty. How could you be that upset
with any trade right now?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I just don't want to watch them play basketball on
this team, is why it's selfish. I just don't want
to watch demardar Roze play basketball on this team.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
But if you trade, this team will look different because
you're giving things up. Like I I'm just very open
to anything right now because it's been so bad so far.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Where are you at?
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Maybe be care what you wish for, but how much
worse can it get?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well? Have you seen some of the trades? Josephry Ward is.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Love Joseph put it on the screen.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
We're talking night. We're talking a whole whole new rotation, dude,
we're talking guys out night, guys out. Sorry, all right,
I don't do we have anything? I don't really, let's
get out of here.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
Well, I want to ask you guys again, like, are
you good with a full teardown? Because I pulled the
clip earlier and put it up on X of us
talking when we were four and ten? Really, oh God,
will brought it up first, he said, Oh, if you
get to twenty losses before ten wins, this is this
is miserable, this is ugly, there's no coming back from this.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Well, there's six twenty. So would would you be okay with.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
A complete blow up because best case scenario might be
a first round series against Okay, see best case?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I think if I'm down with a teardown, if they
keep this vision of rebuilding in the future alive, like
if it's trying to try to adjust this like gap
situation and win in the interim, again, fine with that
as long as they're maintaining flexibility in the future moving
forward once things open up. But you know, to to
(42:29):
try and give up anything substantial or sacrifice future flexibility
to try to quote unquote win now.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
That what seems really foolhardy.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
But I also just don't think that that is something
that's in the cards for this front office, regardless of
what you think of Larry Frank or.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, before he was Laurence Fishburn, he was Larry Okay, No, yeah,
he was fourteen or.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
I think if you can do a full tear down,
you probably have a negative. All the rumors is that
like Kawhi is a negative trade asset, so that can
still work with their plan to keep things open for
twenty seven, right, like somehow like if you can make
(43:23):
that work and you can get a pick and a
player involved in a Zubot's trade, or maybe two picks
in a player or something, I say, I.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Think it's got to be more than one considering what
he makes.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
And I agree, But the Clippers are also over a
barrel right now. They don't have any negotiating power with
any of these trades.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Like it's not like, well, the negotiating power is more
than one team would be interested in the beach sea.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
It depends on the market. Yeah, but so.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm saying, if you can do that, then yeah, let's
do it. Let's do a Joseph Fryer Award trade where
like six guys go out and we get eight guys
like and.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
We're young guys and we're not caring about okay, so
you're getting a top five picks.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
We have a pick. Oh I could not this is
I could not care less about. Okay, See having a
top five the pick is gone no matter what's gone,
Like does it does it?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Does it suck?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
If it's a lottery pick of course, yes, like there's
no way around that, but the pick is gone regardless.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Uh so then yeah, it's like, yeah, let's get some
young guys. We have a pick next year that we
could pack it, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
I'm more pro full teardown than I am remix remix exactly.
I'm there's no untouchables, No, no one is.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I think is where is where we're all at.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, we won't give up future cap space.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
We untouchable. That's literally maybe the one untouchable cap space.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
We're not giving up our expiring contracts that set us
up nicely for twenty twenty seven. For guys that are
on long term deals, We're not doing that. Yeah, and
I agree with Will. I don't think the front office
would do.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
That either, right. Yeah, the reality and planning for this forever.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Doesn't feel good. I don't like these options.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
No, it's bad. But we were like double four and ten.
Let's say they're eight and twenty.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
There're six and twenty, not even that, and they just
lost to a team that was missing some really good
players at home.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Badly, they're most likely going to be they went to
out of the next three.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I bet you guys.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Dude, I was just about to say they're gonna be
like seven and twenty two before Christmas.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
I hope, Like what that would mean they split the
next four?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
No, it means they win one.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Oh, you're right, even.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
Worse still, I hope. What do we all say for
the road trip? It was like they went one in
four on the five game road trip.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
This team. I do drive January every year, and this
team is going to make Drid January harder than it's
ever been.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
I just keep thinking of this quote from l Frank
at the CP three press or saying, quote, if I
if I'm wrong and this roster isn't capable of doing more,
as always, will be aggressive in trying to fix it.
We'll explore every avenue to make this team better. They're
(46:49):
six and twenty now. This was December third. I think
we know I I don't think there's a mix with
this particular roster that that's.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Gonna turn things around this season. There's there's too many holds.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Maybe if they got DJ back and you know, some
guys started hitting more shots from the outside, But last
night to me was like, okay, I felt like they
should have done a move sometime in the last two
weeks when they had four days off. But now there's
more options because December fifteenth has passed. How do they
not do a move in the next two weeks? How
do they not do some move in the next two weeks.
(47:28):
And I don't mean a CP three move for nothing,
just to get him somewhere else. I mean a move
to try to help this team.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
I just I gotta not completely embarrass themselves.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Basically, it'll happen on Christmas, even Christmas, I guarantee it.
It'll be inconvenient time for any for a.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Lou last night also said something to the effect of,
you know, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster, And he
said that a few times this season, Like I don't
know if he's asking for a roster change, like, yeah,
teams are better than we are, look at what we
have to work with. I don't know if that's what
he's getting at there, but felt like it a little
bit last night. Yeah, I wonder that, Like I think
(48:19):
we've talked about it before, but if they did do
a teardown, just coach, we want to be here.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
I think you brought this up, Chuck.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I think any front officer. Coaching stuff happens in the
off season. I think if we did a full tear like,
I think that happens in the off season. If you
want Tyler or Lawrence Frank gone, you're gonna have to
wait for the off season.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
Somebody called in last night, and somebody called in last
night and they were like, oh, I didn't I didn't
like what what Lawrence Frank allegedly said at at the
press conference at the court by meeting last night.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
And I said, what would you like him to say?
Speaker 5 (48:50):
And the guy goes, I think it's Clipper Edward, who
does call in. He's a listener. Yeah, but he's like, well,
say that be a man and just resign. It's like, okay,
so you want him to quit?
Speaker 4 (49:04):
You know what I thought about?
Speaker 5 (49:06):
I said, you want him to do something unprecedented. But
I guess it's not because Magic quit right at the
end of the season with the Lakers back in twenty
eighteen or whatever it was. But I was like, come on, man,
what about something realistic?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, he wants him to resign him and say, and
you are replacing me?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, so too much to ask?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Too much to ask.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Honestly, we're at the point where we could just have
a competition to let a fan.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Play open tryouts. How about that? That's what I want
for the open tryouts. Have him on the court outside
ahead of the game. Good shit, that's a wacky outing
open tryout.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
What's the movie with the Philadelphia Eagles and Mark Wahlberg
coming Invincible?
Speaker 4 (49:54):
We'll find our guy, maybe we will.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
And that guy played a bunch in the NFL. All right,
that about wraps things up. Thank you for hanging out.
Probably gonna do a Friday Happy Hour hang depending what
happens against the Thunder on Thursday. Probably the next full
episode will be on Monday. Will I think we do
(50:18):
a better job doing this podcast? And maybe the Slippers
are playing basketball? Where could people share their feelings about that?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, you can shower us with praise over on Apple
Podcasts or Spotify, and of course listen to us wherever
you get your podcast.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
You can also shower.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
With us with praise over on YouTube dot com as
at Clippers Podcast.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
But however you listen wherever you watch, you know we
appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
We very much do. An Adam hardest part of any
Clippers reporter right now, give us something positive?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Who boys?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Sit in the depths of hell. You know you're not watching,
You're missing.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
Originally this game against Okaysee was tomorrow, but because OKAC
got so far in the nd season tournament, it bumped
it back the Thursday, and so it gives the Clippers
a little bit more time to scheme and plan ahead
and for James Harden to heal up and maybe DJ
comes back miraculously early, but it does sound like he
(51:17):
is on track to come back sooner than later, so
that there is that's positive right there.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
They need DJ badly.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
We need DJ badly. Could not agree more. Thank y'all
for hanging out. Here's to good rest of the week.
I'm Chuck Mocker for Adam O's waving up like and
as always, let's go Clips.
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