August 21, 2023 • 31 mins
Six blackmail victims are invited to an isolated mansion by a man who knows a dark secret from each of their pasts. On arrival, each is given a pseudonym drawn from Cluedo before being introduced to the blackmailer. Each is handed a weapon, at which point the lights are switched off and the blackmailer is killed. Can the guests uncover the murderer before they all become victims? Brad Gilmore and Jeff Smith have a lot in common. Both are huge fans of the 1985 movie Clue, and both have made significant contributions to the film's legacy. Brad is the author of Back from the Future: A Celebration of the Greatest Time Travel Story Ever Told, and Jeff is the director of Who Done It: A Clue Documentary. In their new podcast, Clue the Movie Podcast, Brad and Jeff watch the movie one minute at a time and break it down. Along the way, they share behind-the-scenes stories, trivia, and their own personal insights. Whether you're a diehard fan of Clue or you've never seen it before, Clue the Movie Podcast is a must-listen.
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Oh, what can be done?Where's the key in my pocket? Not
that key, the key to thecoppet with the weapons, you still would
be theft a way. Well whatnow? Was let me out? Why
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not? We gotta know who didthis. We're all in this together now
you e say that you kill themboth? Who was sorry? You ever
started this? One day? Whenwe're along together? Which is right?
No man in his right mind wouldbe learned together with you? Well I
could use it. Drink? Justchecking everything? All right, yep,
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two corpses. Everything's fine, Helloeverybody, and welcome back to include Movie
Minute, when we break down thenineteen eighty five cult classic movie Clue one
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minute at a time Clue Movie Podcast. That is. My name is Brad
Gilmour, joined as always by Isit still the number ten, number ten
in the top scream box? No, it has moved up actually today,
I mean as of this recording,it has made it to one plus two
plus two plus one. It isnumber six, number six, And that's
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fine. That's as high as Ineed to go because it fits in with
the quoting of the movie. Actually, No. Five would be even better
because that's one plus one plus twoplus one plus two one. Yes,
but I don't think we're gonna We'regonna gon back on the top terrifier too
on screen Box. People they lovethemselves some terrifier too. Okay, Well
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that's good for them, good forthem, good for all parties involved.
Sure that is great, jeffs.What has the feedback been like on the
documentary? For people who don't knowWho Done Clue? Documentary is out right
now on screen Box. You canalso buy it on Amazon Prime. That's
where I bought it. Tell mehow how's the feedback? Then? The
feedbacks that has gotten to me hasbeen great. I'm sure it's not.
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It can't all be great, butI am certainly don't go looking for it.
So if if it's mostly on Twitter, surprisingly I thought people were about
to abandon Twitter, But most ofthe feedback has becoming X. I'm sorry,
Yes, I'm so old school.The feedback on X has been exceptional.
And so if you tag us eitherhashtag Clue documentary or are it's who
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Done It? Doc is the nameof the account on X, that's usually
how I find it. But screenBox is also pretty good about retweeting,
re posting. It's not even retweetinganymore. Through posting things on there.
So it's been good if people havebeen very nice, So I'm happy.
Yeah, I'm very pleased with that. I'm pleased for you with that.
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And I sat down and I watchedthe documentary again and I enjoyed it.
I actually enjoyed it more the secondtime. Believe it or no, Yeah,
I enjoyed it more the second time. Yeah, I'm not saying I
didn't enjoy the first time. Iguess I enjoyed it more. I think
because I'm a little bit more inthe world in the first year. You're
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deep. You are deep in theworld now for sure. We're all the
way where you are a host ofa podcast called Clue the movie Admit it
vocal. I don't know who thatis calling me, but I don't have
any time for them. Jay EdgarHoover, Jay Edgar Hoover is right,
he's on my phone. Why wouldhe be on anyone knows is from.
Yeah, we'll congratulate again on thedoc about it. I know you've been
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waiting for. When did you exactlystart start making the whole documentary? Documentary?
Oh, March twenty seventeen was whenI set out the very first emails
out to the cast and crew sayingI would like to make a documentary.
May I interview you please? Sixand a half year? Yeah, so
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March thirty first, Wait is therethirty first? Yeah, March thirty first
is when I first got on aplane to New York in April first,
twenty seventeen is when I met JonathanLynn, director of CLUT. That's incredible,
man, A lot happened seventeen.Yeah, that's when most of the
cast interviews were done in twenty seventeen, you know. And I'm sure when
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you watch it back, you seelike, oh, I could have done
that, I could have shoot onthis first, I could have done that,
or whatever the case is. Aswe all do, we critique ourselves
all the time. But I gottatell you, man, if anybody out
there who's listening to this show,especially if you not watch the documentary,
what are you doing? Stop stopand go watch right now, because you
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will enjoy it, especially if youlove this silly little thing. Sure,
because half of us is in ita lot, and it's meat. It's
not meat, it's not fortunately,yeah, it was pre Gilmore. It's
pre Gilmore in my life. SoI now, if you know there was
a sequel, would be all aboutI would have been in right, That's
what I was telling my wife.I said, if I knew Jeff,
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then I would have been in Ohbig time. You would have been in
it like our Jim would have beenin it. I mean, that's the
thing, And I mentioned that atthe end of the documentary as well.
It kind of the documentary ends,but especially now, I didn't even know
we were gonna have a podcast atthe time. It definitely lives on it's
and the reason I do think ofquestions that I would have loved to have
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ask back in twenty seventeen is becausewe watched Clue one minute at a time
every week, and that's when,when you I sect it the way we
do, you really come up with, Oh, I wish I could have
asked that why Michael mckins eyebrow wentup in that one scene that we've just
studied very close choices about choices.I do want to get into minute forty
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three, which we're going to obviouslybreak down here momentarily. First things first,
we did have a little updates fromsome Cluvians. I wanted to give
a shout out to one of them. Who left us a new review our
our Apple podcast. Next Situation.This is from Hailey forty two Wilson,
who says the podcast I didn't knowI needed. That's the title either,
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and it says so nice to knowother people love this movie to death like
I do. Jeff and Brad doa great job discussing the movie in depth
and filling in related banter and whatcould easily be a very unsustainable format.
Thank you for feeding my current hyperfixation, Hailey. Thanks Hailey, Thank
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you, Hailey, and also givenme top billing on that too. That's
unusual. I did notice that youdo get Yeah, Jeff, you get
top billing on the podcast too,Like if you look at the artwork,
it's with Jeff Smith and Brad Gilmore. That's true, that's because you did
it. But in the Clue worldyou your top billing. Yeah, you
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know. You know what. Honestly, if I could have said Jeff Smith
in Clue the Movie podcast with BradGilmore, I would have you would have
been named over the credits too much, too much. No, then you
said you had something from a clue. Yeah, we need to discuss.
Yes. We got an email fromChristopher Heppenstall. Who Yeah, who is
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British And it's a little longer,but I'll read very fast, he says.
Hi, guys, just wanted tosay how much I enjoy the podcast
and how great it is to hearpeople talking about their love for Clue with
the same enthusiasm I have for themovie. I say, brit I often
find that people have sadly never heardof the movie, and I never really
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saw it appearing on any TV schedulesgrowing up, so I feel like it
isn't quite as well known over here. My introduction to it was a VHS
that my mum says British one ina competition, presumably promoting its release on
video. My sister and I thenwatched it repeatedly for it feels the rest
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of time. It is easily thefilm I've watched the most number of times,
up there with another Tim Curry classic, The Rocky Horror Picture Show and
Labyrinth. I'm thankful that the decisionwas made to remove some of the more
coarse language that was in the originaldraft scripts, as I most certainly wouldn't
have been able or would have beengiven the option to watch it as I
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was born in nineteen eighty three.You mentioned a couple of episodes ago about
the aspect the physical, physical comedyof the film. These were definitely a
big focus of ours as kids,as my sister and I would frequently act
out those key sequences. Fall intomy arms, the falling candlestick, the
stunt collision at the top of thestairs, the ballroom curtain, the accidental
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shower. I wonder how they actedthat one out, et cetera, et
cetera. And quotes from the filmfeel like a part of my daily life
almost. I know nothing about wrestling. We do talk about that a bit.
I know nothing about wrestling, football, fletch, or many of the
other ten gent chill topics. Ilike that word you guys stepped regularly into.
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I like that we step into it. We step into it, we
step into some tangents. But Ienjoy those parts of the podcast too.
They all just tie into how asa Clue fan you find references and similarities
all over. If I was forcedto make a request for future discussion,
it would be around the music ofthe film. The score's phenomenal and perfectly
straddles the genres of comedy and thriller. The theme being an ideal example with
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that ominous two note introduction, whichis later overlaid by a playful little riff,
and the rest of the film followssuit the music theory. The step
by step sequences follow Curry's frantic retellingwonderfully, and I think the score deserves
recognition. Thanks again for a greatpodcast. I look forward to hearing more.
That's Christopher, step by step Christopheror in the Fletch world would say
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bit by bit, look at that, yes and so yeah, I agree,
John Moore score is great. JohnMorris mainly known for doing the scores
for mel Brooks movies, so andI think the first credit he has is
for doing the score for The ProducersBack Into Sixties, which was mel Brooks's
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first movie, and definitely honed thatskill of doing a spoof kind of score.
But if you hear it by itself, it just sounds like a very
large version of a Frankenstein theme ora Western theme or high anxiety. Sounds
like Hitchcock music. And he definitelydid the same kind of style with Clue,
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which definitely makes it seemed timeless andnot feel like a nineteen eighties movie
if it had a synth score.Or if it did have a a bit
by bit kind of title song atthe end by like Aretha Franklin or something.
Yeah, it wouldn't have rapped likeDragnet. Oh no, rap like
Dragonet. I actually would have beenbehind. It would be interesting. How
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would it come? I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to
actually put some thought to that one. Yeah, but I agree with the
with the music and this one.It is funny. There's a mel Brooks
influenced sort of over over these moviesbecause Missus White Laden's inept Madeline Khan played
in several mel Brooks movies, Sothere's there's some connection, connective tissue to
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that observation there, mister Jeff Smith, Now we had one other a message
come in. This is from MatthewGlitten. Matthew Glitten, another solid name.
We have a great we have agreat Cluvian name base by the way,
just like everybody's just kill it withsame Sean names given Tim Curry's key
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roles in Clue and Rocky Horror PictureShow, it's inescapable comparing the motorists arrival
to Brad and Janet, each askingat a castle like home to use a
phone after their car broke down.Have you two ever looked into whether Clue
is paying intentional homage to the samescene. Now, I am not a
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Rocky Horror picture show guy, fulldisclosure, Not that I'm against it,
but I don't have it committed tomemory. I've seen it once maybe twice,
but I think it only wants.So do you have any anything to
mention about that? Are you aRocky Horror picture show person? I'm not.
I'm sad to say, and thatseems almost blasphemous because people do tie
Rocky Horror and Clue together. Usuallyone goes with the other, and that's
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just not the case for me.Unfortunately, I was one of those people
that learned too to carry was becauseof Clue and kind of went backwards and
felt like I needed to see RockyHorror because of my love of Clue.
And I get it. It's funand I love to do the time warp,
but it's just not top ten forme. That being said, I
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think the trope in these kind ofmovies, it's pretty common to have the
car breakdown and have to go tothe spooky house to ask for help.
That's pretty common in a spooky movieor a Haunted House movie, even the
I used to have as a kidthe record album which was the story of
the attraction of the Haunted Mansion fromDisneyland in Walt Disney World, and it
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was a record that told the story, so it was like a radio play
almost, And I had a youngron Howard Ronnie Howard as the boy and
his girlfriend were trying to get homeand it was raining, and they went
into the haunted Mansion to escape therain, and crazy things happened. So
I don't know if it's necessarily rockyhorror, but I think it's definitely a
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pretty common thing that happens in spookymovies where some poor, poor soul goes
to the wrong house for help.I agree with you totally. I think
it's kind of a cliche. Acliche, I guess would be a word
that you could use to describe that. Also, I cannot wait, you
know, after this podcast. Youknow, we've talked about maybe other things
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that we might be doing if weever do this theme park idea that I
floated to you before. Stories likethat Haunted Mansion is my favorite attraction.
Total Oh really, okay, lookat that. Hearing stories about that,
I would love to hear more of. But let's get into minute forty three
because there's a few things that poppedout at me. Off the top.
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We pick up with the motors beinglocked in the lounge and Wadsworth locking him
in, and there's this ominous musicplaying with the door handles rattling, and
that to me is I feel likeit's a throwback to classic horror films of
the genre or thriller films, becausethat is, like we talked about what
the person showing up with their carbeing broken down. This to me,
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the door handle moving. Is thereanything more spooky than the door handle moving?
And overused but still effective? Oh, very effective. It could be
being locked. It could be ifsomeone's trying to come in, and that's
like your nightmare scenario when you're athome and you hear like a jiggle jiggle,
and yeah, you look towards thedoor and if it were moving,
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that's that's it. That's that's theworst. So yeah, yeah, and
we talked about it last week,how this is definitely where include the tone
switches over. We're all having funand now yeah, let's getting a little
scary. Yeah, it's getting alittle frightening. That that's what we said.
The score kind of kicks in there. We talked about the score last
week, and going into this one, the score kicks in and then there's
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the jump scare for Wadsworth on theopposite side of the door, which is
kind of like a fun juxtaposition becausethe motors is intimidated by wadsworth jangling of
the door handle from the inside andfrom the outside. Wadsworth is actually scared
by Colonel Mustard I believe it was, and they still have the conversation.
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Yeah, yeah, I wonder whenWadsworth had thought to throw the key away
or did he think there was goingto be a good distraction where he could
have kept the key the whole time, because he does say I feel like
he wanted he does almost change thesubject was where's the key? Did by
clocket? That key? Great Scott? The other key? That's why Christopher?
And oh you still want me tothrow it away? Like they change
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your mind. It's only been probablyninety seconds, but yeah, go ahead,
but we as now we're watching.See we know at the end that
there's an ending where Colonel Mustard switchesthe key to the weapon in Wadsworth's pocket.
So this is definitely where that happened. When he goes up there and
gives him that jump scare, hedoesn't look so uh yeah, I wish
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we had looked a little closer atit because I didn't even think about it
just now. But that means kurtLess he's been walking around with a fake
key that looks exactly like the otherkey in his pocket the whole night.
But like, have they give Yeah, let's see, I'm trying to I'm
trying to find the moment here wherehe scares him so that we have Okay,
did you do right here? Sothis is right before he throws it
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out. I'm looking here. Bythe way, I want to talk about
the throw from Wadsworth here in justa moment, because he does an excellent
job. It's a great throw,but I don't see where he could have
because he comes up to him.Sorry, I'm playing this in real time.
That's all right. If you wereasked to throw the first pitch at
an astro's game, would you doit? I would, but I'd be
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intimidated. Oh yeah, I would, but I'd be intimidated. It's they
only remember the bad ones. Yeah, my co host, I do with
the wrestling show book or t hasthrown it out twice and it's right over
the plate twice. Okay, sothen he needs to stop. He's got
to stop. And then he didthe hat. The Rockets do a thing
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called the first shot where you gomake a free throw shot, and nailed
it too. So I said,dude, you're beat in a thousand here.
You need to retire complete many ofthis. I looked at the we
get it. I looked at theclip. I don't see any any easy
or any clear moment, I shouldsay, or easy opportunity for Colonel Mustard
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to sure the key from Wadsworth.But Wadsworth does throw the key. Now
he does the thing with his pocketthere to get the key out and throw
before. Now, depending on whichending you watch, that could be a
very consequential moment for some right,and you know he has two keys.
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Yeah, we know he has twokeys, and he I think I don't
know if that was a check tomake sure I got him both. So
let me throw one. If letme do it. He kind of holds
onto his pocket, right, hekind of gives it before he throws it.
Yeah, yeah, before he throwsit, Like, okay, I'm
good. I can make the illusionI'm throwing this key, but the key
forced off. I like this froma filmmaking perspective because they show us that
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the key was in fact thrown.Oh yeah, we hear it. We
actually see it hit the curb andbounce off, which I thought was a
really effective filmmaking tool, because everybody'sgoing to be thinking if we don't see
the key, oh, he reallydidn't throw it, but they want us
to know Nope, it was thrown. It hit the curb and it bounced
into the foliage. Yeah, it'sgreat. It's gone. It's the it's
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the shaving Freeman Jurassic Park. It'sgone. It's in the rain, it's
in the bushes. It's gone.It's probably covered in mud by now.
Yes, Now to go back thetheme parks. That's always a great touch
they do in the Jurassic Park ridewhere they have the barbs. Well,
we're already like we're moving into thetheme park podcast. Everybody we've been talking
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about doing park podcast after this iswe only have forty five more episodes of
this, We're almost through them.Then watch out, it's all the parks,
all the time, all theme parks, all the time. What's a
think of a good name that won'tbe the name all theme parks all the
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time. There this is then wesee the Keith throwne. Then there's conversation
between missus White and Wadsworth. MissWhite wants out of there. Wadsworth's like,
I'm not letting you do it.Then everybody gangs up right and says
if you leave, we're blaming themurders on you. And then she stays,
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which to me, I almost feellike exonerates her in my mind,
like I don't want to be blamedbecause I didn't do it, so I'm
gonna stay right. Yeah, ifshe were guilty, she said, go
ahead. I don't give him damnright. And missus White, I don't
know why she waited for him toclose the door before she decided to take
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off. She could have just hercar was right there. They are,
all their cars are parked super close. The door is wide open and there's
no one in the way. Hecloses the door, he locks the door,
he crosses the hall almost and thenshe says, hey, I know
you just locked up, but couldyou open the door again. Yeah.
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It's a strange call. Straight,not her best moment, but we have
a wonderful foreshadowy where she says,one time, one day, when we're
alone together, it's about to happenbecause we're we're going to draw from short
straws here. That is yes,that is a great moment now. And
that's when he says, no manin his right mind would ever be alone
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to get alone together with you,alone together is almost oxymoronic in some ways.
Alone together Hill Valley. It's like, I don't know, now,
this is what I want to askyou. Colonel Mustard says, I need
a drink, kay, And thenthey check and he's like, oh,
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everything's good, Yep, everything's fine, don't go, don't speed. By
that line, that's one of theclassic lines of the movie. Everything all
right, yeah, two courses,everything's fine. They're already totally immune to
the shockiness of the house, likethere's only two everything's good, yeah,
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body and cook. Let's keep abody count by the way of whom has
expired. Now, I love thatline. But this is what I want
to ask you. He says heneeds a drink, and then similar to
the key where we we just don'tsay I'm gonna throw the key and show
a motion of it. We seethe key thrown and bounced. The shot
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that this ends on is of thempouring a drink. Now, was this
supposed to be? Was this?I guess that was this line in there,
if I need a drink and theshot of them pouring the drink?
Was this supposed to be for thepoisoned Brandy ending? Do you think?
Yeah? I was thinking about thattoo, because no, no one is
concerned that anything is poisoned anymore,and they all just start drinking up again.
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So perhaps it makes sense. Imean, they've all I think everybody
has already had something at some pointfrom the previous scenes. But they're definitely
doubling down somewhere than others in thisscene, so I could definitely see that.
It is odd though that they think, what were we just concerned that
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this was poisoned about ten minutes ago? Yeah? Now I would drink it,
and they clearly show it. Andagain I'm thinking, is that a
filmmaking tool of I want to showthe audience they're drinking this, because then
it's been close by the time theydie from it, we know it was
from the brandy in the fourth endingor whatever. Whenever the poison brandy was
supposed to happen, just something thatstuck out to me. Now, let
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me ask you this about the twocorpses line. Spend a little more time
on that. Is that above flamesor as flames? Like for sure,
number one flames is number one.What two corpses Everything's fine has on flames
is that flames. Nobody sees justone ending of Clue anymore. So that's
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good. But if you went tothe theater and saw Clue in nineteen eighty
five, there was only one thirdof a chance you would see flames in
the side of your face, becausethat is only in one of the Indians.
That's the thing about the three endings. If you saw the scarlet ending,
you got one plus two plus twoplus one. If you got the
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Peacock ending, you got missus Peacockwas a man. And if you got
the ended where everybody except for Greendoes it, then you've got flames on
the side of my face. Buteverybody got two corpses. Everything's fine.
And it's a good line. It'spretty good because it's very it's very good
for the tone of the movie becauseit's pretty dark and hilarious. And that's
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that pretty much sums up. Clueit's the same. Later we'll have a
joke where they discovered the singing Telegramgirl dead and he says, and mister
Greek counts him all up, andhe says six all together, as in
murders, and Wasser says, thisis getting serious and that's good. Other
one of those jokes that shows thetone where this is a bad situation,
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but they're just kind of deal alittle it. I lovely top five,
it's gotta be tough, Oni,And you know what that might be something
we do toward the end of ourrun here is do some final rankings.
Yeah, as it were, likemost guilty characters, best characters, best
wardrobe, best side characters are rankingthem best one liners, best murder murdered.
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Hmmmm hm. We gotta think,yeah, well that's good because if
the last minute, I mean,if we go all the way to last
minute include the end credits, whichwe probably shouldn't do, but if we
did, there's not much to talkabout over shake Radel and roll. So
we could definitely start Someone says wecan says me, yeah, I did
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just say that that or we juststart peppering it in as like we know
we're down to the final five minutes, so we can start saying, Okay,
we're getting close, getting close,Man, who was the best murder?
I already know which one I thinkis the best murder. I have
to think about it, I reallydo. I think I have to think
about it. But and so don'tspoil it for me. Don't spoil it
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for me for what you think isthe best murder. But I will say
forty five weeks and I will tellyou whatever. At a little under a
year, I have to really beleft in suspense. I might change my
mind. I might change my mind. It's a long time, very well
mind. In a year, peopledo a lot of things happen, a
lot of things change. But Iwill say, as far as this minute
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goes, I don't know if there'sanything that we didn't cover that we shoot.
It was a good minute, hasa great line off. So happy
that Colonel Muster's line did not getcut off. As far as the two
corpses, everything's fine. And wegot to see Jeffrey Kramer one more time
as the motorist that we're not goingto see him much longer. He's no,
He's got one more scene, friends, one more glimpse and then Kautski
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and then a very good murder couldbe my favorite. Who knows We're gonna
find out in about forty something weeks. Now, let's let everybody know again
they can get Who Done It?The Clue documentary. It's available on screen
box on all the video rental sites. Yeah. I want to mention somebody
on the Instagram said that they didn'tthink they could get the documentary of Canada,
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but you can. It's not onscreen box in Canada, I don't
think. But you can't get iton iTunes or Amazon or Google. It
is not international as of yet.So I've had some of our UK fans,
probably including Christopher who's letter we readearlier that Cabot see it on streaming
yet. I am putting out thefeelers now for for international. But as
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of right now it is just thoseYanks. You but in Canada you but
yes, watch the movie in Canadasee it, And that probably means you
Mexican watch it as well. Iknow in Puerto Rico it's there, so
I'm gonna guess Mexica as well.I think it's a well, that's yeah,
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it's North America. Yeah, theNorth American one. Can you North
American watch this. Yeah, that'sright, you played it. It's funny.
It's funnier every time. So that'sJeff Smith. That was Fred gil
Moore. Has just been minute fortythree concluding podcast. We'll be back next
week. We a minute forty fournext time, or book chickle some hand
Oh, what can be done?Where's the key in my pocket? Not
that key, the key to thecoppet with the weapons, you still would
be theft a way. Well whatnow? Was let me out? Why
(00:34):
not? We gotta know who didthis. We're all in this together now
you e say that you kill themboth? Who was sorry? You ever
started this? One day? Whenwe're along together? Which is right?
No man in his right mind wouldbe learned together with you? Well I
could use it. Drink? Justchecking everything? All right, yep,
(00:55):
two corpses. Everything's fine, Helloeverybody, and welcome back to include Movie
Minute, when we break down thenineteen eighty five cult classic movie Clue one
(01:18):
minute at a time Clue Movie Podcast. That is. My name is Brad
Gilmour, joined as always by Isit still the number ten, number ten
in the top scream box? No, it has moved up actually today,
I mean as of this recording,it has made it to one plus two
plus two plus one. It isnumber six, number six, And that's
(01:45):
fine. That's as high as Ineed to go because it fits in with
the quoting of the movie. Actually, No. Five would be even better
because that's one plus one plus twoplus one plus two one. Yes,
but I don't think we're gonna We'regonna gon back on the top terrifier too
on screen Box. People they lovethemselves some terrifier too. Okay, Well
(02:05):
that's good for them, good forthem, good for all parties involved.
Sure that is great, jeffs.What has the feedback been like on the
documentary? For people who don't knowWho Done Clue? Documentary is out right
now on screen Box. You canalso buy it on Amazon Prime. That's
where I bought it. Tell mehow how's the feedback? Then? The
feedbacks that has gotten to me hasbeen great. I'm sure it's not.
(02:28):
It can't all be great, butI am certainly don't go looking for it.
So if if it's mostly on Twitter, surprisingly I thought people were about
to abandon Twitter, But most ofthe feedback has becoming X. I'm sorry,
Yes, I'm so old school.The feedback on X has been exceptional.
And so if you tag us eitherhashtag Clue documentary or are it's who
(02:54):
Done It? Doc is the nameof the account on X, that's usually
how I find it. But screenBox is also pretty good about retweeting,
re posting. It's not even retweetinganymore. Through posting things on there.
So it's been good if people havebeen very nice, So I'm happy.
Yeah, I'm very pleased with that. I'm pleased for you with that.
(03:17):
And I sat down and I watchedthe documentary again and I enjoyed it.
I actually enjoyed it more the secondtime. Believe it or no, Yeah,
I enjoyed it more the second time. Yeah, I'm not saying I
didn't enjoy the first time. Iguess I enjoyed it more. I think
because I'm a little bit more inthe world in the first year. You're
(03:40):
deep. You are deep in theworld now for sure. We're all the
way where you are a host ofa podcast called Clue the movie Admit it
vocal. I don't know who thatis calling me, but I don't have
any time for them. Jay EdgarHoover, Jay Edgar Hoover is right,
he's on my phone. Why wouldhe be on anyone knows is from.
Yeah, we'll congratulate again on thedoc about it. I know you've been
(04:05):
waiting for. When did you exactlystart start making the whole documentary? Documentary?
Oh, March twenty seventeen was whenI set out the very first emails
out to the cast and crew sayingI would like to make a documentary.
May I interview you please? Sixand a half year? Yeah, so
(04:28):
March thirty first, Wait is therethirty first? Yeah, March thirty first
is when I first got on aplane to New York in April first,
twenty seventeen is when I met JonathanLynn, director of CLUT. That's incredible,
man, A lot happened seventeen.Yeah, that's when most of the
cast interviews were done in twenty seventeen, you know. And I'm sure when
(04:48):
you watch it back, you seelike, oh, I could have done
that, I could have shoot onthis first, I could have done that,
or whatever the case is. Aswe all do, we critique ourselves
all the time. But I gottatell you, man, if anybody out
there who's listening to this show,especially if you not watch the documentary,
what are you doing? Stop stopand go watch right now, because you
(05:10):
will enjoy it, especially if youlove this silly little thing. Sure,
because half of us is in ita lot, and it's meat. It's
not meat, it's not fortunately,yeah, it was pre Gilmore. It's
pre Gilmore in my life. SoI now, if you know there was
a sequel, would be all aboutI would have been in right, That's
what I was telling my wife.I said, if I knew Jeff,
(05:32):
then I would have been in Ohbig time. You would have been in
it like our Jim would have beenin it. I mean, that's the
thing, And I mentioned that atthe end of the documentary as well.
It kind of the documentary ends,but especially now, I didn't even know
we were gonna have a podcast atthe time. It definitely lives on it's
and the reason I do think ofquestions that I would have loved to have
(05:53):
ask back in twenty seventeen is becausewe watched Clue one minute at a time
every week, and that's when,when you I sect it the way we
do, you really come up with, Oh, I wish I could have
asked that why Michael mckins eyebrow wentup in that one scene that we've just
studied very close choices about choices.I do want to get into minute forty
(06:15):
three, which we're going to obviouslybreak down here momentarily. First things first,
we did have a little updates fromsome Cluvians. I wanted to give
a shout out to one of them. Who left us a new review our
our Apple podcast. Next Situation.This is from Hailey forty two Wilson,
who says the podcast I didn't knowI needed. That's the title either,
(06:41):
and it says so nice to knowother people love this movie to death like
I do. Jeff and Brad doa great job discussing the movie in depth
and filling in related banter and whatcould easily be a very unsustainable format.
Thank you for feeding my current hyperfixation, Hailey. Thanks Hailey, Thank
(07:05):
you, Hailey, and also givenme top billing on that too. That's
unusual. I did notice that youdo get Yeah, Jeff, you get
top billing on the podcast too,Like if you look at the artwork,
it's with Jeff Smith and Brad Gilmore. That's true, that's because you did
it. But in the Clue worldyou your top billing. Yeah, you
(07:27):
know. You know what. Honestly, if I could have said Jeff Smith
in Clue the Movie podcast with BradGilmore, I would have you would have
been named over the credits too much, too much. No, then you
said you had something from a clue. Yeah, we need to discuss.
Yes. We got an email fromChristopher Heppenstall. Who Yeah, who is
(07:49):
British And it's a little longer,but I'll read very fast, he says.
Hi, guys, just wanted tosay how much I enjoy the podcast
and how great it is to hearpeople talking about their love for Clue with
the same enthusiasm I have for themovie. I say, brit I often
find that people have sadly never heardof the movie, and I never really
(08:11):
saw it appearing on any TV schedulesgrowing up, so I feel like it
isn't quite as well known over here. My introduction to it was a VHS
that my mum says British one ina competition, presumably promoting its release on
video. My sister and I thenwatched it repeatedly for it feels the rest
(08:33):
of time. It is easily thefilm I've watched the most number of times,
up there with another Tim Curry classic, The Rocky Horror Picture Show and
Labyrinth. I'm thankful that the decisionwas made to remove some of the more
coarse language that was in the originaldraft scripts, as I most certainly wouldn't
have been able or would have beengiven the option to watch it as I
(08:54):
was born in nineteen eighty three.You mentioned a couple of episodes ago about
the aspect the physical, physical comedyof the film. These were definitely a
big focus of ours as kids,as my sister and I would frequently act
out those key sequences. Fall intomy arms, the falling candlestick, the
stunt collision at the top of thestairs, the ballroom curtain, the accidental
(09:18):
shower. I wonder how they actedthat one out, et cetera, et
cetera. And quotes from the filmfeel like a part of my daily life
almost. I know nothing about wrestling. We do talk about that a bit.
I know nothing about wrestling, football, fletch, or many of the
other ten gent chill topics. Ilike that word you guys stepped regularly into.
(09:43):
I like that we step into it. We step into it, we
step into some tangents. But Ienjoy those parts of the podcast too.
They all just tie into how asa Clue fan you find references and similarities
all over. If I was forcedto make a request for future discussion,
it would be around the music ofthe film. The score's phenomenal and perfectly
straddles the genres of comedy and thriller. The theme being an ideal example with
(10:05):
that ominous two note introduction, whichis later overlaid by a playful little riff,
and the rest of the film followssuit the music theory. The step
by step sequences follow Curry's frantic retellingwonderfully, and I think the score deserves
recognition. Thanks again for a greatpodcast. I look forward to hearing more.
That's Christopher, step by step Christopheror in the Fletch world would say
(10:28):
bit by bit, look at that, yes and so yeah, I agree,
John Moore score is great. JohnMorris mainly known for doing the scores
for mel Brooks movies, so andI think the first credit he has is
for doing the score for The ProducersBack Into Sixties, which was mel Brooks's
(10:48):
first movie, and definitely honed thatskill of doing a spoof kind of score.
But if you hear it by itself, it just sounds like a very
large version of a Frankenstein theme ora Western theme or high anxiety. Sounds
like Hitchcock music. And he definitelydid the same kind of style with Clue,
(11:11):
which definitely makes it seemed timeless andnot feel like a nineteen eighties movie
if it had a synth score.Or if it did have a a bit
by bit kind of title song atthe end by like Aretha Franklin or something.
Yeah, it wouldn't have rapped likeDragnet. Oh no, rap like
Dragonet. I actually would have beenbehind. It would be interesting. How
(11:33):
would it come? I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to
actually put some thought to that one. Yeah, but I agree with the
with the music and this one.It is funny. There's a mel Brooks
influenced sort of over over these moviesbecause Missus White Laden's inept Madeline Khan played
in several mel Brooks movies, Sothere's there's some connection, connective tissue to
(11:56):
that observation there, mister Jeff Smith, Now we had one other a message
come in. This is from MatthewGlitten. Matthew Glitten, another solid name.
We have a great we have agreat Cluvian name base by the way,
just like everybody's just kill it withsame Sean names given Tim Curry's key
(12:18):
roles in Clue and Rocky Horror PictureShow, it's inescapable comparing the motorists arrival
to Brad and Janet, each askingat a castle like home to use a
phone after their car broke down.Have you two ever looked into whether Clue
is paying intentional homage to the samescene. Now, I am not a
(12:39):
Rocky Horror picture show guy, fulldisclosure, Not that I'm against it,
but I don't have it committed tomemory. I've seen it once maybe twice,
but I think it only wants.So do you have any anything to
mention about that? Are you aRocky Horror picture show person? I'm not.
I'm sad to say, and thatseems almost blasphemous because people do tie
Rocky Horror and Clue together. Usuallyone goes with the other, and that's
(13:01):
just not the case for me.Unfortunately, I was one of those people
that learned too to carry was becauseof Clue and kind of went backwards and
felt like I needed to see RockyHorror because of my love of Clue.
And I get it. It's funand I love to do the time warp,
but it's just not top ten forme. That being said, I
(13:22):
think the trope in these kind ofmovies, it's pretty common to have the
car breakdown and have to go tothe spooky house to ask for help.
That's pretty common in a spooky movieor a Haunted House movie, even the
I used to have as a kidthe record album which was the story of
the attraction of the Haunted Mansion fromDisneyland in Walt Disney World, and it
(13:48):
was a record that told the story, so it was like a radio play
almost, And I had a youngron Howard Ronnie Howard as the boy and
his girlfriend were trying to get homeand it was raining, and they went
into the haunted Mansion to escape therain, and crazy things happened. So
I don't know if it's necessarily rockyhorror, but I think it's definitely a
(14:11):
pretty common thing that happens in spookymovies where some poor, poor soul goes
to the wrong house for help.I agree with you totally. I think
it's kind of a cliche. Acliche, I guess would be a word
that you could use to describe that. Also, I cannot wait, you
know, after this podcast. Youknow, we've talked about maybe other things
(14:33):
that we might be doing if weever do this theme park idea that I
floated to you before. Stories likethat Haunted Mansion is my favorite attraction.
Total Oh really, okay, lookat that. Hearing stories about that,
I would love to hear more of. But let's get into minute forty three
because there's a few things that poppedout at me. Off the top.
(14:56):
We pick up with the motors beinglocked in the lounge and Wadsworth locking him
in, and there's this ominous musicplaying with the door handles rattling, and
that to me is I feel likeit's a throwback to classic horror films of
the genre or thriller films, becausethat is, like we talked about what
the person showing up with their carbeing broken down. This to me,
(15:18):
the door handle moving. Is thereanything more spooky than the door handle moving?
And overused but still effective? Oh, very effective. It could be
being locked. It could be ifsomeone's trying to come in, and that's
like your nightmare scenario when you're athome and you hear like a jiggle jiggle,
and yeah, you look towards thedoor and if it were moving,
(15:41):
that's that's it. That's that's theworst. So yeah, yeah, and
we talked about it last week,how this is definitely where include the tone
switches over. We're all having funand now yeah, let's getting a little
scary. Yeah, it's getting alittle frightening. That that's what we said.
The score kind of kicks in there. We talked about the score last
week, and going into this one, the score kicks in and then there's
(16:03):
the jump scare for Wadsworth on theopposite side of the door, which is
kind of like a fun juxtaposition becausethe motors is intimidated by wadsworth jangling of
the door handle from the inside andfrom the outside. Wadsworth is actually scared
by Colonel Mustard I believe it was, and they still have the conversation.
(16:26):
Yeah, yeah, I wonder whenWadsworth had thought to throw the key away
or did he think there was goingto be a good distraction where he could
have kept the key the whole time, because he does say I feel like
he wanted he does almost change thesubject was where's the key? Did by
clocket? That key? Great Scott? The other key? That's why Christopher?
And oh you still want me tothrow it away? Like they change
(16:47):
your mind. It's only been probablyninety seconds, but yeah, go ahead,
but we as now we're watching.See we know at the end that
there's an ending where Colonel Mustard switchesthe key to the weapon in Wadsworth's pocket.
So this is definitely where that happened. When he goes up there and
gives him that jump scare, hedoesn't look so uh yeah, I wish
(17:10):
we had looked a little closer atit because I didn't even think about it
just now. But that means kurtLess he's been walking around with a fake
key that looks exactly like the otherkey in his pocket the whole night.
But like, have they give Yeah, let's see, I'm trying to I'm
trying to find the moment here wherehe scares him so that we have Okay,
did you do right here? Sothis is right before he throws it
(17:33):
out. I'm looking here. Bythe way, I want to talk about
the throw from Wadsworth here in justa moment, because he does an excellent
job. It's a great throw,but I don't see where he could have
because he comes up to him.Sorry, I'm playing this in real time.
That's all right. If you wereasked to throw the first pitch at
an astro's game, would you doit? I would, but I'd be
(17:55):
intimidated. Oh yeah, I would, but I'd be intimidated. It's they
only remember the bad ones. Yeah, my co host, I do with
the wrestling show book or t hasthrown it out twice and it's right over
the plate twice. Okay, sothen he needs to stop. He's got
to stop. And then he didthe hat. The Rockets do a thing
(18:15):
called the first shot where you gomake a free throw shot, and nailed
it too. So I said,dude, you're beat in a thousand here.
You need to retire complete many ofthis. I looked at the we
get it. I looked at theclip. I don't see any any easy
or any clear moment, I shouldsay, or easy opportunity for Colonel Mustard
(18:37):
to sure the key from Wadsworth.But Wadsworth does throw the key. Now
he does the thing with his pocketthere to get the key out and throw
before. Now, depending on whichending you watch, that could be a
very consequential moment for some right,and you know he has two keys.
(18:59):
Yeah, we know he has twokeys, and he I think I don't
know if that was a check tomake sure I got him both. So
let me throw one. If letme do it. He kind of holds
onto his pocket, right, hekind of gives it before he throws it.
Yeah, yeah, before he throwsit, Like, okay, I'm
good. I can make the illusionI'm throwing this key, but the key
forced off. I like this froma filmmaking perspective because they show us that
(19:22):
the key was in fact thrown.Oh yeah, we hear it. We
actually see it hit the curb andbounce off, which I thought was a
really effective filmmaking tool, because everybody'sgoing to be thinking if we don't see
the key, oh, he reallydidn't throw it, but they want us
to know Nope, it was thrown. It hit the curb and it bounced
into the foliage. Yeah, it'sgreat. It's gone. It's the it's
(19:48):
the shaving Freeman Jurassic Park. It'sgone. It's in the rain, it's
in the bushes. It's gone.It's probably covered in mud by now.
Yes, Now to go back thetheme parks. That's always a great touch
they do in the Jurassic Park ridewhere they have the barbs. Well,
we're already like we're moving into thetheme park podcast. Everybody we've been talking
(20:08):
about doing park podcast after this iswe only have forty five more episodes of
this, We're almost through them.Then watch out, it's all the parks,
all the time, all theme parks, all the time. What's a
think of a good name that won'tbe the name all theme parks all the
(20:29):
time. There this is then wesee the Keith throwne. Then there's conversation
between missus White and Wadsworth. MissWhite wants out of there. Wadsworth's like,
I'm not letting you do it.Then everybody gangs up right and says
if you leave, we're blaming themurders on you. And then she stays,
(20:52):
which to me, I almost feellike exonerates her in my mind,
like I don't want to be blamedbecause I didn't do it, so I'm
gonna stay right. Yeah, ifshe were guilty, she said, go
ahead. I don't give him damnright. And missus White, I don't
know why she waited for him toclose the door before she decided to take
(21:15):
off. She could have just hercar was right there. They are,
all their cars are parked super close. The door is wide open and there's
no one in the way. Hecloses the door, he locks the door,
he crosses the hall almost and thenshe says, hey, I know
you just locked up, but couldyou open the door again. Yeah.
(21:36):
It's a strange call. Straight,not her best moment, but we have
a wonderful foreshadowy where she says,one time, one day, when we're
alone together, it's about to happenbecause we're we're going to draw from short
straws here. That is yes,that is a great moment now. And
that's when he says, no manin his right mind would ever be alone
(21:57):
to get alone together with you,alone together is almost oxymoronic in some ways.
Alone together Hill Valley. It's like, I don't know, now,
this is what I want to askyou. Colonel Mustard says, I need
a drink, kay, And thenthey check and he's like, oh,
(22:19):
everything's good, Yep, everything's fine, don't go, don't speed. By
that line, that's one of theclassic lines of the movie. Everything all
right, yeah, two courses,everything's fine. They're already totally immune to
the shockiness of the house, likethere's only two everything's good, yeah,
(22:42):
body and cook. Let's keep abody count by the way of whom has
expired. Now, I love thatline. But this is what I want
to ask you. He says heneeds a drink, and then similar to
the key where we we just don'tsay I'm gonna throw the key and show
a motion of it. We seethe key thrown and bounced. The shot
(23:03):
that this ends on is of thempouring a drink. Now, was this
supposed to be? Was this?I guess that was this line in there,
if I need a drink and theshot of them pouring the drink?
Was this supposed to be for thepoisoned Brandy ending? Do you think?
Yeah? I was thinking about thattoo, because no, no one is
concerned that anything is poisoned anymore,and they all just start drinking up again.
(23:29):
So perhaps it makes sense. Imean, they've all I think everybody
has already had something at some pointfrom the previous scenes. But they're definitely
doubling down somewhere than others in thisscene, so I could definitely see that.
It is odd though that they think, what were we just concerned that
(23:49):
this was poisoned about ten minutes ago? Yeah? Now I would drink it,
and they clearly show it. Andagain I'm thinking, is that a
filmmaking tool of I want to showthe audience they're drinking this, because then
it's been close by the time theydie from it, we know it was
from the brandy in the fourth endingor whatever. Whenever the poison brandy was
supposed to happen, just something thatstuck out to me. Now, let
(24:11):
me ask you this about the twocorpses line. Spend a little more time
on that. Is that above flamesor as flames? Like for sure,
number one flames is number one.What two corpses Everything's fine has on flames
is that flames. Nobody sees justone ending of Clue anymore. So that's
(24:36):
good. But if you went tothe theater and saw Clue in nineteen eighty
five, there was only one thirdof a chance you would see flames in
the side of your face, becausethat is only in one of the Indians.
That's the thing about the three endings. If you saw the scarlet ending,
you got one plus two plus twoplus one. If you got the
(24:56):
Peacock ending, you got missus Peacockwas a man. And if you got
the ended where everybody except for Greendoes it, then you've got flames on
the side of my face. Buteverybody got two corpses. Everything's fine.
And it's a good line. It'spretty good because it's very it's very good
for the tone of the movie becauseit's pretty dark and hilarious. And that's
(25:22):
that pretty much sums up. Clueit's the same. Later we'll have a
joke where they discovered the singing Telegramgirl dead and he says, and mister
Greek counts him all up, andhe says six all together, as in
murders, and Wasser says, thisis getting serious and that's good. Other
one of those jokes that shows thetone where this is a bad situation,
(25:48):
but they're just kind of deal alittle it. I lovely top five,
it's gotta be tough, Oni,And you know what that might be something
we do toward the end of ourrun here is do some final rankings.
Yeah, as it were, likemost guilty characters, best characters, best
wardrobe, best side characters are rankingthem best one liners, best murder murdered.
(26:17):
Hmmmm hm. We gotta think,yeah, well that's good because if
the last minute, I mean,if we go all the way to last
minute include the end credits, whichwe probably shouldn't do, but if we
did, there's not much to talkabout over shake Radel and roll. So
we could definitely start Someone says wecan says me, yeah, I did
(26:38):
just say that that or we juststart peppering it in as like we know
we're down to the final five minutes, so we can start saying, Okay,
we're getting close, getting close,Man, who was the best murder?
I already know which one I thinkis the best murder. I have
to think about it, I reallydo. I think I have to think
about it. But and so don'tspoil it for me. Don't spoil it
(27:00):
for me for what you think isthe best murder. But I will say
forty five weeks and I will tellyou whatever. At a little under a
year, I have to really beleft in suspense. I might change my
mind. I might change my mind. It's a long time, very well
mind. In a year, peopledo a lot of things happen, a
lot of things change. But Iwill say, as far as this minute
(27:22):
goes, I don't know if there'sanything that we didn't cover that we shoot.
It was a good minute, hasa great line off. So happy
that Colonel Muster's line did not getcut off. As far as the two
corpses, everything's fine. And wegot to see Jeffrey Kramer one more time
as the motorist that we're not goingto see him much longer. He's no,
He's got one more scene, friends, one more glimpse and then Kautski
(27:48):
and then a very good murder couldbe my favorite. Who knows We're gonna
find out in about forty something weeks. Now, let's let everybody know again
they can get Who Done It?The Clue documentary. It's available on screen
box on all the video rental sites. Yeah. I want to mention somebody
on the Instagram said that they didn'tthink they could get the documentary of Canada,
(28:11):
but you can. It's not onscreen box in Canada, I don't
think. But you can't get iton iTunes or Amazon or Google. It
is not international as of yet.So I've had some of our UK fans,
probably including Christopher who's letter we readearlier that Cabot see it on streaming
yet. I am putting out thefeelers now for for international. But as
(28:36):
of right now it is just thoseYanks. You but in Canada you but
yes, watch the movie in Canadasee it, And that probably means you
Mexican watch it as well. Iknow in Puerto Rico it's there, so
I'm gonna guess Mexica as well.I think it's a well, that's yeah,
(28:56):
it's North America. Yeah, theNorth American one. Can you North
American watch this. Yeah, that'sright, you played it. It's funny.
It's funnier every time. So that'sJeff Smith. That was Fred gil
Moore. Has just been minute fortythree concluding podcast. We'll be back next
week. We a minute forty fournext time, or book chickle some hand
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