July 29, 2024 • 37 mins
Six blackmail victims are invited to an isolated mansion by a man who knows a dark secret from each of their pasts. On arrival, each is given a pseudonym drawn from Cluedo before being introduced to the blackmailer. Each is handed a weapon, at which point the lights are switched off and the blackmailer is killed. Can the guests uncover the murderer before they all become victims? Brad Gilmore and Jeff Smith have a lot in common. Both are huge fans of the 1985 movie Clue, and both have made significant contributions to the film's legacy. Brad is the author of Back from the Future: A Celebration of the Greatest Time Travel Story Ever Told, and Jeff is the director of Who Done It: A Clue Documentary. In their new podcast, Clue the Movie Podcast, Brad and Jeff watch the movie one minute at a time and break it down. Along the way, they share behind-the-scenes stories, trivia, and their own personal insights. Whether you're a diehard fan of Clue or you've never seen it before, Clue the Movie Podcast is a must-listen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, of course, how else could I have known everything
about you all?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There's still one thing I don't understand one. Who was
Missus Peacock taking bribes from a foreign power?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Her husband, the Senator has influence over defense contract? Is
there going to be a cover up? Isn't that in
the public interest? What could be gained by exposure? But
is the FBI and a habit of cleaning up after
multiple murder? Yes, but I think it's run by a
minkle Hoover. Oh, Missus Peacock, why did you know my name?
(00:39):
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Okay, make her away, teach.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Your hands on me and the Senator's right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We are you is here?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Like the Monties, we always get our man.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Missus Peacock was a man.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hello everybody, and welcome to Clue Movie Podcast, where we
break down the nineteen ey five Colt Cletch movie one
minute at a time. My name is a boat Brad Gilmore,
joined by Razor Ramone, Jeff Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No, no, no, I have.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Not, it says Razor Ramone. And I can't know the
rest of your name.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, it says no way, it's Jeff.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
So whenever I come into the chat to uh do
the clue the movie podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Here's a little behind the curtain, guys.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I put in an eighties pro wrestler name, and so
it's been like Big Jeff stud it's been King Kong Jeff.
And this morning I was feeling very lazy, so I
did not get very creative. I just put Razor Ramone.
Now it's Jeff so not clever today, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Razor getting to the end.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm running out of eighties wrestlers.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Razor Ramone one of the greats. Just from like a
character a.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Look, oh you know, yeah, I love yeah with that toothpick.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The toothpick. You know you probably know Scott Hall. Yeah, yeah, Scott.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hall, Scott Hall. Yeah, it's like Jeff Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I think he might be from Is he from Texas?
He might be from Texas or he's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
From That'd be like if I decided I was going
to have a super exotic name, all of a sudden,
that's my pro wrestler.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And he'd be like he he had it, he had
the bullet.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, he had the whole thing. The kind of wet
the consistently wet hair, always wet. Yeah, he's actually from
Saint Mary's County, Maryland actually okay, not even close, but yeah,
not not where you think he's from, because I remember
he's portrayed to be like a Cuban national someway.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, right, like back in the eighties when racism was fine.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's like, hey, let's not this guy from Maryland play
a Cuban fine, you know. Rest in peace though to
the great Scott Hall Hall of Famer passed away a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Wrestler Tangent. Right off the bat, everybody, welcome to Clue
the Movie podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Hey Man, minute eighty seven. By the way, I will
say this minute eighty seven one of the best minutes
we've seen in several minutes. I think as far as
a lot happens.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It's efficient, that's for sure. Maybe too efficient really, because
I and I don't this is not totally confirmed. I
think John Hatch, the great John Hatch, who wrote what
do you Mean Murder? The Clue Book, that everyone that
listens to this podcast should owned by now absolutely As
mentioned that Missus Peacock originally, we believe, was shot at
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the end by the elderly forty two year old man
and it was changed. So that's why it seems so brupton.
That's why once she disappears off camera and the lights
turn on, you don't see her again. You don't see
her apprehended. Just hear her off camera saying take your
hands off me? And was senator's wife, and and and
(04:11):
the elderly man like twirls his gun like a gun
slinger from the west, as if he shot her, Because
why would you just go like point and then go
take her away and then spin your gun afterwards, like
you know, you're the ship the sheriff in town.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, it's kind of a son.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think she was originally shot. But what did she
do to be shot?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Did she lunge or did he just shoot her?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I don't know. She could have maybe reached. Did she
still have the revolver?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yes, she walked out with the gun, so probably she
pointed it.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And that's you know what that would make sense why
he did the little twirly twirl because they had a
a standoff there at the end.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, little old school shoot off.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Stand off that I thought we could settle this like men,
And she said, you thought wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
There's so much here, So let's start. Let's start with actually,
before we start with the minute I didn't want.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
To not so fast everybody.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I didn't want to comment on a few things. One,
we have a new review, a five star review on Apple.
On Apple, I don't know if we get reviews on Spotify.
I guess I should look into that. But on Apple,
we have a five star review. This came at the
end of June from Asuer Mommy, Oh, Asuer Mommy, and.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
This is what it says.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Love the podcast already starting off great.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
All right, you don't even need to keep going.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I'm on about episode sixty five. Hard to believe we
have that minute. I've been binging it. I just wanted
to share a couple of connections I have with Clue.
When I was in middle school, my cousins and we
actually made our own Clue film. It was called The
Black Glove. I love it. In our version, a group
(06:08):
of kids are playing the Clue game and get sucked
into it. We totally stole from Jumanji and they become
Clue characters. Missus Peacock and Colonel Mustard are the killers.
Miss Scarlett was poisoned, Miss White was stabbed, and Professor
Plum was strangled. We didn't have Watsworth. Also, my bachelorette
party was Clue themed. Everyone dressed up as a different
(06:31):
Clue character. I was Missus White, but I actually wore
white and we did a little scavenger hunt, etc. AnyWho,
I thought you would appreciate those tidbits. Also random fact,
Jeff and I went to cal State Fullerton. Keep up
the good work, Great Scott. Could I get a great Scott?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Great Scott, Great Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
What do you think of all that?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
There's a lot. There's a lot in that. Well. First
of all, it's true, I did one.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Summer semester just to graduate at cal State Fullerton. I
doubt ash your mom was there when I was there.
I have very little memory of it because it was
one of those things where I I needed two more
classes to graduate. It was the summer after I walked
like with my graduating class as a phony in May,
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knowing that I still needed to take two classes at.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
A different school. So I walked.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I got the little folder that had nothing in it,
but so all a ruse so even I mean, I'm
not a fan of graduations anyway, but it really seemed
phony blooney because I wasn't even really graduated, so I
had to take two classes that summer at cal State Fullerton,
just to make it real. And it was terrifying because
I thought, if I don't pass these, then I'm a
(07:56):
lot of trouble. I don't even remember what the classes were.
I do remember that there was a sign like which
interpreter in one of them that I just watched and
was fascinated by.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So have I mentioned that I went to Kelsey Followton
before on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
That's why I was just trying to figure out, like,
how would they do this?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Perhaps perhaps that's it, and it's not like when I
went to school I talked to anybody, so I must
have brought it up somewhere.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So good you spoke to no one in school.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Not really so super focused on just getting through.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, I agree with that, but you know, like before
I say, I think that my last semester of my
undergrad I took all the classes online and I and
I got them out of there early because I was like, man,
if I could do them all, if I do. I
literally took seven classes in my final semester, which is
like a pretty big course load, but I was like,
(08:51):
I don't want to do an extra semester and graduate
in the spring. Let me get it done at the
end of the year. But you would go when I
would still go to class, you I'll find like the
one or two people who sat close to you right
who you'd rely on. I don't know if this was
your experience in college, but I would have like the
two people I relied on to be like, Hey, what's
do when? What are you working on? That kind of
(09:14):
relationship and I And it was funny because I was
going through my contacts the other day looking for somebody's number,
and I have all these people and next to their
name is like, uh, so I know, like, oh, that's
someone in my class, or sometimes it would be the
name of the class like Colm thirteen oh four or whatever.
But yeah, I don't remember any of them. I think
I couldn't tell you one person's name I went to
(09:36):
college with.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, And it's it's not a wise way to go
through school because, especially in film school, the whole point
to go it's not really to learn how to do
anything because the technology changes all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's to network.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It's to meet people that you're gonna want to work
with before. So if I had a time machine and
I go back, I would definitely be much more chatty
with the people I was sitting with that I'm just
so focused on got to get out because I hate at.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
School so much. So who knows, baby asher Mom, I
was like sitting right next to the entire time.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, and I could have asked about the Black Glove
because that interests me too.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I like that part.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
But if they still have a copy of the Black Glove,
because that should be on YouTube like right now.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
So it's a film, Yeah, it's a full film. Yeah,
with kids with kids. What they didn't they didn't have
walk through?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But did they Jumanji in? You do not Jumanji in
di Jumanji out.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
And what's interesting too is in I guess I haven't
seen the original Jumanji in quite some time. In the
original Jumanju, do they turn into they don't go into
the game the game comes out.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
There is a very recent Saturday Night Live sketch which
everyone should look for YouTube where this is the argument
on Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Is it really And it's very very very funny.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And that's exactly that's actually what I'm quoting when I
say you don't Jumanji in Jumanji comes out. But I
will admit this I have never seen Jumanji. Wait, none
of them, and not even the og original.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
WHOA okay, yep, you know what we were talking about
Cloak and Dagger, the eighty four classic before we started this, before.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We came on, we were talking about the eighties classic
Cloak and Dagger, which I have a feeling some clue
the movie podcast people have seen it is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But I have not seen.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Jumanji because there was a period there where I was
kind of over Robin Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I understand a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, the stick had gotten a little like, Okay, I
get it, which makes me feel like a terrible person now,
but at the time I was like, eh, I.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Was some more fisher king Robin Williams at the time,
I understand.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So screaming Robin Williams, I was thing, eh, I get it.
But so I've not seen Jumanji, but I would love
to see the Black I would eventually I will see
Jumanji because actually that SNL sketch made me want to
see Jumanji. It's very very funny. Google it, YouTube it.
But and of course, Brad, you will be seeing Polka
Dagger at some point for.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Pick six, So which is why I'm bringing up Jumanji.
I think Jumanji has now officially made it onto my
list there.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean that's I think my six is becoming twelve.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Mine is moving around as well. But you know what,
we're not doing the podcast just for a year. This
will be, you know, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
For the rest line, for the rest.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Of our lives, real lives.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So that's a wonderful review.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I love it, and I want to see the Black
Glove and I'd love to see kids playing the Clue characters.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
A couple additional things, and then I want to jump
into the minute in his totality the elderly man who's
forty two, right, Yeah, what do you think? Why do
you think the difference between eighty five, eighty four and
twenty twenty four? Like why do people age better now?
(12:58):
Because I saw this thing on Instagram the other day
and it showed like it was literally this was the
two comparisons. It was like stelle Getty at fifty four
and you see a stelle Getty from The Golden Girls
in fifty four and she looks like she's eighty, right,
and then the next thing says halle Berry at fifty
(13:21):
four and she still looks like fresh out of the
flint Stones halle Berry and they would say Ruey McLachlan
at fifty two, and then shows j Lo at fifty
two and it's like, what is going on?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah. The other two versions I've seen to that are
Pat Marita and Karate Kid and Ralph Macchio, right, because
Ralph Maccio is now older than Pat Marina was as
mister Menagi, it looks great. The other one is Wilford
Brimley at his age and Paul Rudd Paul Redd.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You should use it as an example, though, that's not fair.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And then the other one you see is like the
cast of Cheers, and it'll put their ages next to
and like real Peerlman is thirty two, and you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think maybe in the eighties they had it rougher.
They because you haven't.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
You seen somebody and they go, oh, I'm like thirty
and you go ooh, but that's a hard thirty.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, it's a tough thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What happened? Where did you grow up? And what did
you do?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I'll see that every once in a while and we'll
be watching some kind of terrible reality show and they'll
have some you know.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Person that looks like a ghoul.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
And then it'll pop in the corner and go, you know,
Bertha thirty eight, and I go, oh, holy cow, I'm
way older than her.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I don't feel like it.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Like and and again we don't venture into the political realm,
but there is a vice presidential candidate. I will run
for a president who's thirty nine, and I guess he'd
be the second youngest vice president if elected ever, behind
Richard Nixon. But even like that, thirty nine, I was like,
he's thirty nine, he looks like forty nine, you know
what I mean, And it might be the beard. And
then I looked up Richard Nixon at thirty nine. Richard
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Nix had looked like he was approaching his fifties. You know,
are in his fifties at thirty nine. Yeah, well, Millhouse
politics probably ages. Has there been a great agent politician.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Well you see those pictures all the time where you
see what they look like before they go in an office.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Barack Obama famously looked.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Like, you know, super young and spry, and then when
he came out, he I mean, he still looks better
than anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But careful of hair grey and.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
The circles under the eyes, and it's like, eh, he's
seen some stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Although Trump looked the same after, but it's only four years,
so maybe that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He's looked that way forever since nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Always he has like he look he's got the same
hair and the same save everything.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know what? Also, uh to get off of of
people's ages and while they look differently than they did
back in the day. I wasn't totally sure if we
were gonna have time to record this week because there
was a bunch of things going on with you and
with me, and I didn't know. So yesterday I said,
let me just because we haven't missed a Monday ever.
(16:13):
We haven't always recorded, but there's something is dropped every Monday.
So I was like, let me record something as a
just in case show. So yesterday I ended up recording
a just in case podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Who happen?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Right? But but now I'm just letting people know maybe
it would be a bonus or something. But I listened
for the first time to the Ciskel and Epert review
a clue that was actually on I think one of
your YouTube channels is where I found it, and I
was kind of a little bit shocked by there just
(16:51):
brushing it away and then very dismissive of the movie,
like literally he I think Roepert says at the end,
if you're going to see this movie, you know you
want to see ending a but you're probably better off
not seeing this movie at all, or something along those Linesbert.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, Roger Ebert is eber.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Oh, I said roper See, I'm used because that was
my that was my Ciskel Neper is your generation. Yeah,
Jeane Ciskel and Roger.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Jean ciscl better good team, oh better than and Roper Yes, yeah,
look at look at ciscl Neebert on Letterman anytime you
want to see very funny clips, well, anybody on Letterman,
but especially those two.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, very dismissive on it. They they don't get the humor.
They just yeah, they talk about.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
What's it going to be when it releases on VHS
where they're gonna put all three indings at the end. Yeah, yeah,
exactly what they Yeah, he called it, so almost everybody
watches it.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I might drop that at some point on this feed.
But but Jeff, let's go to minute A seven let's
just dive into it.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
This is the Peacock ending, and it's cut off right
before or like a very silly sound effect before as
a mister Green is getting slapped for one of probably
that's definitely the top ten lines in all of Clue.
Missus Peacock was a man confused, confused mister Green to
the very end. This is where this is the ending
where I do not believe mister Green is a secret agent. No, no,
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because he's living unless he's just playing until the end
because he doesn't have to now he doesn't have to
pretend anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But he shows and he shows just how dummy is
at the very end.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Well where now Mustard is smarter than Green, and that's
shouldn't that should never be.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I was gonna make that observation of like Mustard is
the one that slaps mister Green or one of the
two who slaps mister Green, And I'm like, Mustard, whoa bro,
you don't have any any okay, you don't have clearance.
You are not G fourteen classified here to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, that is the pot calling the kettle.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Mustard not okay, not okay, Like, don't be judging In
the last two seconds.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
What did you think of Wadsworth as this FBI agent?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh, where he's like super cool at the end.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, well, I'm not a huge fan of the Hoover joke.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Oh I saw you give a big thun.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It comes down. Yeah, that's such. It's if you if
you don't get it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Fans, why when he says why is the FBI and
the habit of cleaning up is?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Why is it run by a man called Hoover?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Of course he's talking about Jed or Hoover, and Hoover's
a brand of vacuum cleaners, which I guess was around
in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I'm about to look it up.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I see Brad's hands going to the keyboard to find
out when the Hoover Vacuum Company started.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Hoover Vacuum Company Star the Hoover Company founded in Ohio
in nineteen fifteen. That's what it says. In the United States,
it's not a great joke.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
And there's even a pause or laugh like why do
you think it's or it's a pause for you to go, what.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Did you mean? Oh, the vacuum Okay, I have.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Then it even cuts to Peacock walking out with a
big sting on the on the John Morris score.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I want to get to that because I have so
many questions about the peacock at her core part of
this minute.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
But sure.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
The first upright vacuum cleaner was invented in June of
nineteen oh eight in North Campton, Ohio. That seems very
early for people to be like, we got you something
about this dust, like we got it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
To they to plug it in and eight.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I guess they had to.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
They must have, because that'd be silly. No, you know
what they would would they have the vacuums that just
kind of rolla upright vacuum, so okay, but not a
power vacuum.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
No, let's see, let's see by okay it was. It
was invented by department store janitor, an occasional inventor. I
love that little line. Occasion inventor James Murray Spangler. Spangler
was an asthmatic and suspecting the carpet sweeper he was
using at work was the cause of his ailment. He
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created a basic suction sweeper by mounting an electric fan
motor on a carpet sweeper and then adding a soapbox
and a broom handle. After refining the design and obtaining
a patent for the electric suction sweeper. He sat on
producing it himself, with assisted by his son who helped
him assemble the machines, and his daughter who helped assemble
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the dust bags. Production was slow, completing just two to
three machines a week. So there you go. What about that?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He was a janitor that was like tired of Weason,
tired weasen.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
He thought there's gotta be a better way, necessity. He
didn't complain. He didn't complain, just like, ugh, like, you
know what, but why is it?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Then?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Why do I call it the spangler?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I know it? Yeah? And why the Hoover company?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I'm sure there's well he wasn't working on branding.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I guess back then it would now would totally be spangler, right, they'd.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
All be spangling, like this floor is filthy? Can you
spangle this? Please?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah? I guess so, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
And then because then at the well, then the Jager
Hoover joke would not have landed because Hoover wouldn't be spangling.
But yeah, let's keep going. So then missus Peacock walks out.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Whoa, I'm not over the work.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm not over the not over the hoover.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I have one other I have one other question, better better,
better hoover joke. Okay, is it this joke that we
have why you think the FBI's used to cleaning things up?
Or is it? In Home Alone two with mccaullay, Culkin
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and Rob Schneider when Rob Schneider's walking McCaulay to the
hotel room the suite and he says to him, you
know Herbert Hoover wants stayed on this floor. And mccolay
goes the vacuum guy and then he goes, no, the
president better joke? Which one I have to.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I have to take away points because the hololo two
to one involves Rob Schneider. So I think I'll go
with clue but excellent Tim Curry connection.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yes, there is a Tim Curry connection there, but so
there is I love you, get on your knees and
tell me you love me, stolen credit card. He's so good,
his delivery is so good. So yeah, okay, we're gonna
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go with the clue joke. Now here's the other, Miss Peacock.
Miss Peacock goes out to the car and she's about
to leave elderly man says, you know, says her name?
How do you know my name? The kingdom of heaven
of is upon us, miss Peacock. And then you get
the spotlights come on.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Oh, we're looking at the script right now.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
No, no, no, no, I'm just reading.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
This is what happens? Oh what kingdom of heaven is
at hand? And I thought you were reading the script.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
No, I just have that great memory, and.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
You misquoted it, so I thought maybe you were looking
at the script Kingdom of hand brad gilmourn, Is it hand?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Not upon? And then the spotlights come on? So here
and then there the FBI agent's Russian. Here's the question,
does in this ending when Wadsworth takes the call from
JEdgar Hoover, is he setting this up at the end?
Is he has he already figured it out at this point?
(24:57):
Like it's missus Peacock. So let's go ahead, let's bring
the boys in, let's get set up, and then well,
let's answer that first, because then I have a follow up.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I will say yes.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Because her fatal mistake, according to Wadsworth, revealing that the
cook used to be her cook, happens like in the
first fifteen minutes. So if he knew then, first of all,
kind of irresponsible. If he knew way back then and
he allowed more people to die since then you probably
(25:31):
could have called the evening pretty early. The second she says,
this is one of my favorite recipes. I know, madam,
like it should have been credits and that would have
been ended. Number two, So yes, I think he does
know because he says he knows.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And then here's my other question the spotlights. One, what's
the need? Two? When did they set them up? Three?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Set them up?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
How did no one hear that? In? Four? Did they
do it during the rain? Those are my four questions.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
My four answers are movie, movie, movie, and movie.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, would be hilarious. When the motorist gets there, like
he drives up and he kind of looks over and
like the FBI is like, all right, get the crape?
All right, where's where are we supposed to plug this in?
We need an outlet? Hold on, hold on, no, it's wet,
it's wet, ah, this rain. Why did we do it tonight?
This weather?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Who's this guy? Don't worry about it? Everybody hid that's true.
The logistics are challenging. And then you know our favorite
build the cop.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Did he know? Did he see them setting up the lights?
Did he do? They like, Hey, Bill, just go in
there and play dumb.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
And this because you have to think about the timeline
of the movie. This happens not far after singing Telegram
Girl is killed because after seeing Telegram Girl was killed,
he knows. Wadswood goes, I know what happened, and he
recounts all this and this second this peacock inning is
literally immediately following his explanation.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Right, So you would assume that the lights are set up.
They got to be there when she gets there, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And could they have turned on the lights to save
the second Telegram Girl or they just let it happen.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
They just let it happen.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I think the FBI just let it happen, you think so, Yeah,
I think they let that for a girl die sad Now,
now this ending is very sad.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's gotten a little bit grim, right yeah, yeah, So
I don't know. The lights always threw me off because
I'm just like, what is the what is the point
of that?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
It's well, it's also it's not easy to set up
lights like that unless they had a whole electrician team.
But did they bring in a truck because those are
very tall lights, and these are nineteen fifty four lights, right,
so you know they've they've They're probably very bulky.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
They probably don't retract.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It's very strange. Now Here is the script now that
I will read to. This is page one one into
one twenty two. It's kind of a long script. I
guess it's because of the different endings, and it's the
original draft. I always going a little long, this says
exterior the driveway. Missus Peacock gets to her car. She
opens the car and the elderly evangelist appears from nowhere.
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Elderly evangelist, Missus Peacock. She turns, how do you know
my name? Elderly evangelist? The Kingdom of Heaven is at
hand and the elderly evangelis just eugh, and the elderly
evangelist easy for me to say, shoots her. Surprised, she
collapses out of the frame dead. Elderly evangelist, I did
warn you, and he fires again. Oooh good lord. Uh
(28:52):
interior the hall. All the others heard, uh heard the gunshots.
Wadsworth smiles. Wadsworth, I thought it wouldn't take us that
long blackout.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Jeez, she didn't even lunch.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Just hey boom, that's talk about grim. They didn't even
have the lights back then. No, Missus Peacock is a
man uh something that I know that Clue fans are
like screaming into their heads right now wondering if we're
going to bring up, because it is something that probably
bothers them as much as it has always bothered me.
(29:32):
When he calls her out by name and she says,
how do you know my name? That's not her name,
it's for alias, right, So it's.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
A weird reaction. But do you think Peacott?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
But do you think she's saying, like, how would you know?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
People like that's what they're calling me to.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, sure, I guess, But like that would have been
the time where he said, like, oh, missus Jamison, because
that would have been fun, like you get a little
reveal on the real name.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, And then she says, how do you know my name?
Because then that's really because then that would be super
shocked because we we we've never heard it, and if
he heard anything, he would know Peacock. That's all she's
been called all night.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
But like what if she said what if it was like, oh,
missus Stevenson. I don't know why it's always Sun at
the end of my names, but count.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, there's something funny about syllables too.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh Missus Ramone, there you go.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Missus Razor, this is all do you think? Do you
think why do you think they took out the.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Oh, because it's it's messed up.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I think the second it is unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Well, that's even weirder, very strange. He's mad at her.
That's personal. If this was dateline and these and they
were like analyzing it to go, well, this was personal.
He obviously hated her. Yeah, it's well, I mean the
first one's even like she just turns around.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I know she's a murderer, but wheelt Scarlet's kind of.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
We dragged Scarlet out, but the senator's wife, she's to die.
She didn't, I mean she didn't. She's a killer, but
she turned around. And especially I guess there's the all
the police aren't there in this. It's just a ancient
evangelist by himself. And then the suspects are just hanging
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out inside the here bang and then like.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
She's dead. It's over all RP.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, it's interesting, abrupt and dark. It's an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
But it seems like they did film her getting shot.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
It seems like that because of the cut, right.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And then they probably looked at it afterwards when oh no,
what do we do? And so that they bring Eileen
Brennan into the studio and say, just yell this line,
get your hands off me. I'm a senator's wife. And
that's how we'll know she's being taken away. And then
it doesn't mean anything. When Howard Hesban says we got her,
it could mean she's going to jail.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But the Missus Peacock was a man.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And in past tense, ah, we we got missus Peacock
is a man.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah it was a man.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh yes she did.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Oh hey look at you syntax. Look some context clues.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That matters, It matters. Peacock was the former, the late
great Missus Peacock.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, it is dead. But it's a great joke. I like, though,
wasn't it's a great line. Yeah, it's a great line.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
He's just like it's final, like I got it, shut up,
We're done.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It's over, and then we're gonna get to ending. See. Yeah,
as far as the chronology are and We're almost there, man,
We're about to wrap this thing up.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We're home stretch, home.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Stretch, and we'll see. But we have minute eighty eight
to get to next week. Anything any final thoughts on
eighty seven here.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I like this ending more that we watched it this time.
When we started, I kind of said, I mean, it
is my least favorite of the three.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Till but it's it's I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Its efficiency, I suppose, but it isn't. It isn't an
ending where you go, oh, okay, yeah, that all makes sense.
It's just it's an ending that makes you go, okay,
that'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
She is missing a lot in a lot of the
early scenes. So if you go back, even though we
always say miss Scarlett is the ending that makes the
most sense, there's a lot of times where Peacock is
not present in certain scenes, like when they go to
check out Evett missus Peacock is not there. That's what
she's supposed to be, killing the cook.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
So they did do it.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Jocelyn did do a good job in making sure that
people were missing in scenes. So when you do go back,
that's pretty good that he was anticipating that people were
gonna watch it again. I don't think he anticipated that
anybody would watch it like we do, but he did
make it so if you go back for the most
part it it checks out. Even the Peacock ended.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, what are your final thoughts?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
You know what? I still like ending A so far
more than ending B. But looking ahead to what we're
going to see with C, I don't know my ranking
might change. I used to I used to think, honestly,
I used to think I like C the most. Yeah,
you know, because it was like A. It was, well,
(34:54):
we'll get.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
To it, but we're gonna get to it real soon.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I don't know anymore next week, in fact, but I
think I'm like you when when Peacock started, when this
one started, I go, oh, this kind of sucks, you know,
And then toward the end of it, I'm like, it's
got a good ending.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
That's not bad, and I lean I than Brettan, to
her credit, is like suit. She does a very good
trans transition. She's like she's of all the characters. She
changes the second she's revealed. You see a physical change, her,
her acting style changes, her voice even changes. She looks
now mean she If you think back to her and
(35:35):
the someone's got to break the ic scene and then
compare her to the ending where she says there's no proof.
Totally different personality. So that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Well, and Wadsworth and Tim Curry here at the end,
he's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Oh he's leading on the banister and it's like, yeah,
I got it.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, he's kind of a cool dude.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
What do you expect like this was going to happen.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's why it's sad that some people died, because if
he had it all figured out early.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Like hey man, I know you're not really good at your.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
The cop to build the cop had we had.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
To see him. They wrap things up, But you know what, Jeff,
speaking of wrapping things up, we're gonna wrap this podcast
up so we can talk about eighty eight next week.
Eighty eight. Oh man, that's a bit. That's a big one.
Great Scott. That's Jeff Smith, Raiser, Ramon on the boat,
Rag Gilmore and we will see you next week form
minute eighty eight if Clute the Moon Podcast
Oh, of course, how else could I have known everything
about you all?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There's still one thing I don't understand one. Who was
Missus Peacock taking bribes from a foreign power?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Her husband, the Senator has influence over defense contract? Is
there going to be a cover up? Isn't that in
the public interest? What could be gained by exposure? But
is the FBI and a habit of cleaning up after
multiple murder? Yes, but I think it's run by a
minkle Hoover. Oh, Missus Peacock, why did you know my name?
(00:39):
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Okay, make her away, teach.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Your hands on me and the Senator's right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We are you is here?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Like the Monties, we always get our man.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Missus Peacock was a man.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hello everybody, and welcome to Clue Movie Podcast, where we
break down the nineteen ey five Colt Cletch movie one
minute at a time. My name is a boat Brad Gilmore,
joined by Razor Ramone, Jeff Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No, no, no, I have.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Not, it says Razor Ramone. And I can't know the
rest of your name.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, it says no way, it's Jeff.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
So whenever I come into the chat to uh do
the clue the movie podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Here's a little behind the curtain, guys.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I put in an eighties pro wrestler name, and so
it's been like Big Jeff stud it's been King Kong Jeff.
And this morning I was feeling very lazy, so I
did not get very creative. I just put Razor Ramone.
Now it's Jeff so not clever today, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Razor getting to the end.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm running out of eighties wrestlers.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Razor Ramone one of the greats. Just from like a
character a.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Look, oh you know, yeah, I love yeah with that toothpick.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The toothpick. You know you probably know Scott Hall. Yeah, yeah, Scott.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hall, Scott Hall. Yeah, it's like Jeff Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I think he might be from Is he from Texas?
He might be from Texas or he's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
From That'd be like if I decided I was going
to have a super exotic name, all of a sudden,
that's my pro wrestler.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And he'd be like he he had it, he had
the bullet.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, he had the whole thing. The kind of wet
the consistently wet hair, always wet. Yeah, he's actually from
Saint Mary's County, Maryland actually okay, not even close, but yeah,
not not where you think he's from, because I remember
he's portrayed to be like a Cuban national someway.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, right, like back in the eighties when racism was fine.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's like, hey, let's not this guy from Maryland play
a Cuban fine, you know. Rest in peace though to
the great Scott Hall Hall of Famer passed away a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Wrestler Tangent. Right off the bat, everybody, welcome to Clue
the Movie podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Hey Man, minute eighty seven. By the way, I will
say this minute eighty seven one of the best minutes
we've seen in several minutes. I think as far as
a lot happens.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It's efficient, that's for sure. Maybe too efficient really, because
I and I don't this is not totally confirmed. I
think John Hatch, the great John Hatch, who wrote what
do you Mean Murder? The Clue Book, that everyone that
listens to this podcast should owned by now absolutely As
mentioned that Missus Peacock originally, we believe, was shot at
(03:49):
the end by the elderly forty two year old man
and it was changed. So that's why it seems so brupton.
That's why once she disappears off camera and the lights
turn on, you don't see her again. You don't see
her apprehended. Just hear her off camera saying take your
hands off me? And was senator's wife, and and and
(04:11):
the elderly man like twirls his gun like a gun
slinger from the west, as if he shot her, Because
why would you just go like point and then go
take her away and then spin your gun afterwards, like
you know, you're the ship the sheriff in town.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, it's kind of a son.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think she was originally shot. But what did she
do to be shot?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Did she lunge or did he just shoot her?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I don't know. She could have maybe reached. Did she
still have the revolver?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yes, she walked out with the gun, so probably she
pointed it.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And that's you know what that would make sense why
he did the little twirly twirl because they had a
a standoff there at the end.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, little old school shoot off.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Stand off that I thought we could settle this like men,
And she said, you thought wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
There's so much here, So let's start. Let's start with actually,
before we start with the minute I didn't want.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
To not so fast everybody.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I didn't want to comment on a few things. One,
we have a new review, a five star review on Apple.
On Apple, I don't know if we get reviews on Spotify.
I guess I should look into that. But on Apple,
we have a five star review. This came at the
end of June from Asuer Mommy, Oh, Asuer Mommy, and.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
This is what it says.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Love the podcast already starting off great.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
All right, you don't even need to keep going.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I'm on about episode sixty five. Hard to believe we
have that minute. I've been binging it. I just wanted
to share a couple of connections I have with Clue.
When I was in middle school, my cousins and we
actually made our own Clue film. It was called The
Black Glove. I love it. In our version, a group
(06:08):
of kids are playing the Clue game and get sucked
into it. We totally stole from Jumanji and they become
Clue characters. Missus Peacock and Colonel Mustard are the killers.
Miss Scarlett was poisoned, Miss White was stabbed, and Professor
Plum was strangled. We didn't have Watsworth. Also, my bachelorette
party was Clue themed. Everyone dressed up as a different
(06:31):
Clue character. I was Missus White, but I actually wore
white and we did a little scavenger hunt, etc. AnyWho,
I thought you would appreciate those tidbits. Also random fact,
Jeff and I went to cal State Fullerton. Keep up
the good work, Great Scott. Could I get a great Scott?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Great Scott, Great Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
What do you think of all that?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
There's a lot. There's a lot in that. Well. First
of all, it's true, I did one.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Summer semester just to graduate at cal State Fullerton. I
doubt ash your mom was there when I was there.
I have very little memory of it because it was
one of those things where I I needed two more
classes to graduate. It was the summer after I walked
like with my graduating class as a phony in May,
(07:30):
knowing that I still needed to take two classes at.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
A different school. So I walked.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I got the little folder that had nothing in it,
but so all a ruse so even I mean, I'm
not a fan of graduations anyway, but it really seemed
phony blooney because I wasn't even really graduated, so I
had to take two classes that summer at cal State Fullerton,
just to make it real. And it was terrifying because
I thought, if I don't pass these, then I'm a
(07:56):
lot of trouble. I don't even remember what the classes were.
I do remember that there was a sign like which
interpreter in one of them that I just watched and
was fascinated by.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So have I mentioned that I went to Kelsey Followton
before on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
That's why I was just trying to figure out, like,
how would they do this?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Perhaps perhaps that's it, and it's not like when I
went to school I talked to anybody, so I must
have brought it up somewhere.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So good you spoke to no one in school.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Not really so super focused on just getting through.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, I agree with that, but you know, like before
I say, I think that my last semester of my
undergrad I took all the classes online and I and
I got them out of there early because I was like, man,
if I could do them all, if I do. I
literally took seven classes in my final semester, which is
like a pretty big course load, but I was like,
(08:51):
I don't want to do an extra semester and graduate
in the spring. Let me get it done at the
end of the year. But you would go when I
would still go to class, you I'll find like the
one or two people who sat close to you right
who you'd rely on. I don't know if this was
your experience in college, but I would have like the
two people I relied on to be like, Hey, what's
do when? What are you working on? That kind of
(09:14):
relationship and I And it was funny because I was
going through my contacts the other day looking for somebody's number,
and I have all these people and next to their
name is like, uh, so I know, like, oh, that's
someone in my class, or sometimes it would be the
name of the class like Colm thirteen oh four or whatever.
But yeah, I don't remember any of them. I think
I couldn't tell you one person's name I went to
(09:36):
college with.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, And it's it's not a wise way to go
through school because, especially in film school, the whole point
to go it's not really to learn how to do
anything because the technology changes all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's to network.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It's to meet people that you're gonna want to work
with before. So if I had a time machine and
I go back, I would definitely be much more chatty
with the people I was sitting with that I'm just
so focused on got to get out because I hate at.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
School so much. So who knows, baby asher Mom, I
was like sitting right next to the entire time.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, and I could have asked about the Black Glove
because that interests me too.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I like that part.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
But if they still have a copy of the Black Glove,
because that should be on YouTube like right now.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
So it's a film, Yeah, it's a full film. Yeah,
with kids with kids. What they didn't they didn't have
walk through?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But did they Jumanji in? You do not Jumanji in
di Jumanji out.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
And what's interesting too is in I guess I haven't
seen the original Jumanji in quite some time. In the
original Jumanju, do they turn into they don't go into
the game the game comes out.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
There is a very recent Saturday Night Live sketch which
everyone should look for YouTube where this is the argument
on Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Is it really And it's very very very funny.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And that's exactly that's actually what I'm quoting when I
say you don't Jumanji in Jumanji comes out. But I
will admit this I have never seen Jumanji. Wait, none
of them, and not even the og original.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
WHOA okay, yep, you know what we were talking about
Cloak and Dagger, the eighty four classic before we started this, before.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We came on, we were talking about the eighties classic
Cloak and Dagger, which I have a feeling some clue
the movie podcast people have seen it is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But I have not seen.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Jumanji because there was a period there where I was
kind of over Robin Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I understand a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, the stick had gotten a little like, Okay, I
get it, which makes me feel like a terrible person now,
but at the time I was like, eh, I.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Was some more fisher king Robin Williams at the time,
I understand.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So screaming Robin Williams, I was thing, eh, I get it.
But so I've not seen Jumanji, but I would love
to see the Black I would eventually I will see
Jumanji because actually that SNL sketch made me want to
see Jumanji. It's very very funny. Google it, YouTube it.
But and of course, Brad, you will be seeing Polka
Dagger at some point for.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Pick six, So which is why I'm bringing up Jumanji.
I think Jumanji has now officially made it onto my
list there.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean that's I think my six is becoming twelve.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Mine is moving around as well. But you know what,
we're not doing the podcast just for a year. This
will be, you know, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
For the rest line, for the rest.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Of our lives, real lives.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So that's a wonderful review.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I love it, and I want to see the Black
Glove and I'd love to see kids playing the Clue characters.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
A couple additional things, and then I want to jump
into the minute in his totality the elderly man who's
forty two, right, Yeah, what do you think? Why do
you think the difference between eighty five, eighty four and
twenty twenty four? Like why do people age better now?
(12:58):
Because I saw this thing on Instagram the other day
and it showed like it was literally this was the
two comparisons. It was like stelle Getty at fifty four
and you see a stelle Getty from The Golden Girls
in fifty four and she looks like she's eighty, right,
and then the next thing says halle Berry at fifty
(13:21):
four and she still looks like fresh out of the
flint Stones halle Berry and they would say Ruey McLachlan
at fifty two, and then shows j Lo at fifty
two and it's like, what is going on?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah. The other two versions I've seen to that are
Pat Marita and Karate Kid and Ralph Macchio, right, because
Ralph Maccio is now older than Pat Marina was as
mister Menagi, it looks great. The other one is Wilford
Brimley at his age and Paul Rudd Paul Redd.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You should use it as an example, though, that's not fair.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And then the other one you see is like the
cast of Cheers, and it'll put their ages next to
and like real Peerlman is thirty two, and you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think maybe in the eighties they had it rougher.
They because you haven't.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
You seen somebody and they go, oh, I'm like thirty
and you go ooh, but that's a hard thirty.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, it's a tough thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What happened? Where did you grow up? And what did
you do?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I'll see that every once in a while and we'll
be watching some kind of terrible reality show and they'll
have some you know.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Person that looks like a ghoul.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
And then it'll pop in the corner and go, you know,
Bertha thirty eight, and I go, oh, holy cow, I'm
way older than her.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I don't feel like it.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Like and and again we don't venture into the political realm,
but there is a vice presidential candidate. I will run
for a president who's thirty nine, and I guess he'd
be the second youngest vice president if elected ever, behind
Richard Nixon. But even like that, thirty nine, I was like,
he's thirty nine, he looks like forty nine, you know
what I mean, And it might be the beard. And
then I looked up Richard Nixon at thirty nine. Richard
(15:02):
Nix had looked like he was approaching his fifties. You know,
are in his fifties at thirty nine. Yeah, well, Millhouse
politics probably ages. Has there been a great agent politician.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Well you see those pictures all the time where you
see what they look like before they go in an office.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Barack Obama famously looked.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Like, you know, super young and spry, and then when
he came out, he I mean, he still looks better
than anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But careful of hair grey and.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
The circles under the eyes, and it's like, eh, he's
seen some stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Although Trump looked the same after, but it's only four years,
so maybe that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He's looked that way forever since nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Always he has like he look he's got the same
hair and the same save everything.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know what? Also, uh to get off of of
people's ages and while they look differently than they did
back in the day. I wasn't totally sure if we
were gonna have time to record this week because there
was a bunch of things going on with you and
with me, and I didn't know. So yesterday I said,
let me just because we haven't missed a Monday ever.
(16:13):
We haven't always recorded, but there's something is dropped every Monday.
So I was like, let me record something as a
just in case show. So yesterday I ended up recording
a just in case podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Who happen?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Right? But but now I'm just letting people know maybe
it would be a bonus or something. But I listened
for the first time to the Ciskel and Epert review
a clue that was actually on I think one of
your YouTube channels is where I found it, and I
was kind of a little bit shocked by there just
(16:51):
brushing it away and then very dismissive of the movie,
like literally he I think Roepert says at the end,
if you're going to see this movie, you know you
want to see ending a but you're probably better off
not seeing this movie at all, or something along those Linesbert.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, Roger Ebert is eber.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Oh, I said roper See, I'm used because that was
my that was my Ciskel Neper is your generation. Yeah,
Jeane Ciskel and Roger.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Jean ciscl better good team, oh better than and Roper Yes, yeah,
look at look at ciscl Neebert on Letterman anytime you
want to see very funny clips, well, anybody on Letterman,
but especially those two.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, very dismissive on it. They they don't get the humor.
They just yeah, they talk about.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
What's it going to be when it releases on VHS
where they're gonna put all three indings at the end. Yeah, yeah,
exactly what they Yeah, he called it, so almost everybody
watches it.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I might drop that at some point on this feed.
But but Jeff, let's go to minute A seven let's
just dive into it.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
This is the Peacock ending, and it's cut off right
before or like a very silly sound effect before as
a mister Green is getting slapped for one of probably
that's definitely the top ten lines in all of Clue.
Missus Peacock was a man confused, confused mister Green to
the very end. This is where this is the ending
where I do not believe mister Green is a secret agent. No, no,
(18:21):
because he's living unless he's just playing until the end
because he doesn't have to now he doesn't have to
pretend anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But he shows and he shows just how dummy is
at the very end.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Well where now Mustard is smarter than Green, and that's
shouldn't that should never be.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I was gonna make that observation of like Mustard is
the one that slaps mister Green or one of the
two who slaps mister Green, And I'm like, Mustard, whoa bro,
you don't have any any okay, you don't have clearance.
You are not G fourteen classified here to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, that is the pot calling the kettle.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Mustard not okay, not okay, Like, don't be judging In
the last two seconds.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
What did you think of Wadsworth as this FBI agent?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh, where he's like super cool at the end.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, well, I'm not a huge fan of the Hoover joke.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Oh I saw you give a big thun.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It comes down. Yeah, that's such. It's if you if
you don't get it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Fans, why when he says why is the FBI and
the habit of cleaning up is?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Why is it run by a man called Hoover?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Of course he's talking about Jed or Hoover, and Hoover's
a brand of vacuum cleaners, which I guess was around
in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I'm about to look it up.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I see Brad's hands going to the keyboard to find
out when the Hoover Vacuum Company started.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Hoover Vacuum Company Star the Hoover Company founded in Ohio
in nineteen fifteen. That's what it says. In the United States,
it's not a great joke.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
And there's even a pause or laugh like why do
you think it's or it's a pause for you to go, what.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Did you mean? Oh, the vacuum Okay, I have.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Then it even cuts to Peacock walking out with a
big sting on the on the John Morris score.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I want to get to that because I have so
many questions about the peacock at her core part of
this minute.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
But sure.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
The first upright vacuum cleaner was invented in June of
nineteen oh eight in North Campton, Ohio. That seems very
early for people to be like, we got you something
about this dust, like we got it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
To they to plug it in and eight.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I guess they had to.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
They must have, because that'd be silly. No, you know
what they would would they have the vacuums that just
kind of rolla upright vacuum, so okay, but not a
power vacuum.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
No, let's see, let's see by okay it was. It
was invented by department store janitor, an occasional inventor. I
love that little line. Occasion inventor James Murray Spangler. Spangler
was an asthmatic and suspecting the carpet sweeper he was
using at work was the cause of his ailment. He
(21:08):
created a basic suction sweeper by mounting an electric fan
motor on a carpet sweeper and then adding a soapbox
and a broom handle. After refining the design and obtaining
a patent for the electric suction sweeper. He sat on
producing it himself, with assisted by his son who helped
him assemble the machines, and his daughter who helped assemble
(21:30):
the dust bags. Production was slow, completing just two to
three machines a week. So there you go. What about that?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He was a janitor that was like tired of Weason,
tired weasen.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
He thought there's gotta be a better way, necessity. He
didn't complain. He didn't complain, just like, ugh, like, you
know what, but why is it?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Then?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Why do I call it the spangler?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I know it? Yeah? And why the Hoover company?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I'm sure there's well he wasn't working on branding.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I guess back then it would now would totally be spangler, right, they'd.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
All be spangling, like this floor is filthy? Can you
spangle this? Please?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah? I guess so, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
And then because then at the well, then the Jager
Hoover joke would not have landed because Hoover wouldn't be spangling.
But yeah, let's keep going. So then missus Peacock walks out.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Whoa, I'm not over the work.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm not over the not over the hoover.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I have one other I have one other question, better better,
better hoover joke. Okay, is it this joke that we
have why you think the FBI's used to cleaning things up?
Or is it? In Home Alone two with mccaullay, Culkin
(22:55):
and Rob Schneider when Rob Schneider's walking McCaulay to the
hotel room the suite and he says to him, you
know Herbert Hoover wants stayed on this floor. And mccolay
goes the vacuum guy and then he goes, no, the
president better joke? Which one I have to.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I have to take away points because the hololo two
to one involves Rob Schneider. So I think I'll go
with clue but excellent Tim Curry connection.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yes, there is a Tim Curry connection there, but so
there is I love you, get on your knees and
tell me you love me, stolen credit card. He's so good,
his delivery is so good. So yeah, okay, we're gonna
(23:58):
go with the clue joke. Now here's the other, Miss Peacock.
Miss Peacock goes out to the car and she's about
to leave elderly man says, you know, says her name?
How do you know my name? The kingdom of heaven
of is upon us, miss Peacock. And then you get
the spotlights come on.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Oh, we're looking at the script right now.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
No, no, no, no, I'm just reading.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
This is what happens? Oh what kingdom of heaven is
at hand? And I thought you were reading the script.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
No, I just have that great memory, and.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
You misquoted it, so I thought maybe you were looking
at the script Kingdom of hand brad gilmourn, Is it hand?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Not upon? And then the spotlights come on? So here
and then there the FBI agent's Russian. Here's the question,
does in this ending when Wadsworth takes the call from
JEdgar Hoover, is he setting this up at the end?
Is he has he already figured it out at this point?
(24:57):
Like it's missus Peacock. So let's go ahead, let's bring
the boys in, let's get set up, and then well,
let's answer that first, because then I have a follow up.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I will say yes.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Because her fatal mistake, according to Wadsworth, revealing that the
cook used to be her cook, happens like in the
first fifteen minutes. So if he knew then, first of all,
kind of irresponsible. If he knew way back then and
he allowed more people to die since then you probably
(25:31):
could have called the evening pretty early. The second she says,
this is one of my favorite recipes. I know, madam,
like it should have been credits and that would have
been ended. Number two, So yes, I think he does
know because he says he knows.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And then here's my other question the spotlights. One, what's
the need? Two? When did they set them up? Three?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Set them up?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
How did no one hear that? In? Four? Did they
do it during the rain? Those are my four questions.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
My four answers are movie, movie, movie, and movie.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, would be hilarious. When the motorist gets there, like
he drives up and he kind of looks over and
like the FBI is like, all right, get the crape?
All right, where's where are we supposed to plug this in?
We need an outlet? Hold on, hold on, no, it's wet,
it's wet, ah, this rain. Why did we do it tonight?
This weather?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Who's this guy? Don't worry about it? Everybody hid that's true.
The logistics are challenging. And then you know our favorite
build the cop.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Did he know? Did he see them setting up the lights?
Did he do? They like, Hey, Bill, just go in
there and play dumb.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
And this because you have to think about the timeline
of the movie. This happens not far after singing Telegram
Girl is killed because after seeing Telegram Girl was killed,
he knows. Wadswood goes, I know what happened, and he
recounts all this and this second this peacock inning is
literally immediately following his explanation.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Right, So you would assume that the lights are set up.
They got to be there when she gets there, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And could they have turned on the lights to save
the second Telegram Girl or they just let it happen.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
They just let it happen.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I think the FBI just let it happen, you think so, Yeah,
I think they let that for a girl die sad Now,
now this ending is very sad.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's gotten a little bit grim, right yeah, yeah, So
I don't know. The lights always threw me off because
I'm just like, what is the what is the point
of that?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
It's well, it's also it's not easy to set up
lights like that unless they had a whole electrician team.
But did they bring in a truck because those are
very tall lights, and these are nineteen fifty four lights, right,
so you know they've they've They're probably very bulky.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
They probably don't retract.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It's very strange. Now Here is the script now that
I will read to. This is page one one into
one twenty two. It's kind of a long script. I
guess it's because of the different endings, and it's the
original draft. I always going a little long, this says
exterior the driveway. Missus Peacock gets to her car. She
opens the car and the elderly evangelist appears from nowhere.
(28:28):
Elderly evangelist, Missus Peacock. She turns, how do you know
my name? Elderly evangelist? The Kingdom of Heaven is at
hand and the elderly evangelis just eugh, and the elderly
evangelist easy for me to say, shoots her. Surprised, she
collapses out of the frame dead. Elderly evangelist, I did
warn you, and he fires again. Oooh good lord. Uh
(28:52):
interior the hall. All the others heard, uh heard the gunshots.
Wadsworth smiles. Wadsworth, I thought it wouldn't take us that
long blackout.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Jeez, she didn't even lunch.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Just hey boom, that's talk about grim. They didn't even
have the lights back then. No, Missus Peacock is a
man uh something that I know that Clue fans are
like screaming into their heads right now wondering if we're
going to bring up, because it is something that probably
bothers them as much as it has always bothered me.
(29:32):
When he calls her out by name and she says,
how do you know my name? That's not her name,
it's for alias, right, So it's.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
A weird reaction. But do you think Peacott?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
But do you think she's saying, like, how would you know?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
People like that's what they're calling me to.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, sure, I guess, But like that would have been
the time where he said, like, oh, missus Jamison, because
that would have been fun, like you get a little
reveal on the real name.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, And then she says, how do you know my name?
Because then that's really because then that would be super
shocked because we we we've never heard it, and if
he heard anything, he would know Peacock. That's all she's
been called all night.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
But like what if she said what if it was like, oh,
missus Stevenson. I don't know why it's always Sun at
the end of my names, but count.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, there's something funny about syllables too.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh Missus Ramone, there you go.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Missus Razor, this is all do you think? Do you
think why do you think they took out the.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Oh, because it's it's messed up.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I think the second it is unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Well, that's even weirder, very strange. He's mad at her.
That's personal. If this was dateline and these and they
were like analyzing it to go, well, this was personal.
He obviously hated her. Yeah, it's well, I mean the
first one's even like she just turns around.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I know she's a murderer, but wheelt Scarlet's kind of.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
We dragged Scarlet out, but the senator's wife, she's to die.
She didn't, I mean she didn't. She's a killer, but
she turned around. And especially I guess there's the all
the police aren't there in this. It's just a ancient
evangelist by himself. And then the suspects are just hanging
(31:35):
out inside the here bang and then like.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
She's dead. It's over all RP.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, it's interesting, abrupt and dark. It's an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
But it seems like they did film her getting shot.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
It seems like that because of the cut, right.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And then they probably looked at it afterwards when oh no,
what do we do? And so that they bring Eileen
Brennan into the studio and say, just yell this line,
get your hands off me. I'm a senator's wife. And
that's how we'll know she's being taken away. And then
it doesn't mean anything. When Howard Hesban says we got her,
it could mean she's going to jail.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But the Missus Peacock was a man.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And in past tense, ah, we we got missus Peacock
is a man.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah it was a man.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh yes she did.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Oh hey look at you syntax. Look some context clues.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That matters, It matters. Peacock was the former, the late
great Missus Peacock.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, it is dead. But it's a great joke. I like, though,
wasn't it's a great line. Yeah, it's a great line.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
He's just like it's final, like I got it, shut up,
We're done.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It's over, and then we're gonna get to ending. See. Yeah,
as far as the chronology are and We're almost there, man,
We're about to wrap this thing up.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We're home stretch, home.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Stretch, and we'll see. But we have minute eighty eight
to get to next week. Anything any final thoughts on
eighty seven here.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I like this ending more that we watched it this time.
When we started, I kind of said, I mean, it
is my least favorite of the three.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Till but it's it's I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Its efficiency, I suppose, but it isn't. It isn't an
ending where you go, oh, okay, yeah, that all makes sense.
It's just it's an ending that makes you go, okay,
that'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
She is missing a lot in a lot of the
early scenes. So if you go back, even though we
always say miss Scarlett is the ending that makes the
most sense, there's a lot of times where Peacock is
not present in certain scenes, like when they go to
check out Evett missus Peacock is not there. That's what
she's supposed to be, killing the cook.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
So they did do it.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Jocelyn did do a good job in making sure that
people were missing in scenes. So when you do go back,
that's pretty good that he was anticipating that people were
gonna watch it again. I don't think he anticipated that
anybody would watch it like we do, but he did
make it so if you go back for the most
part it it checks out. Even the Peacock ended.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, what are your final thoughts?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
You know what? I still like ending A so far
more than ending B. But looking ahead to what we're
going to see with C, I don't know my ranking
might change. I used to I used to think, honestly,
I used to think I like C the most. Yeah,
you know, because it was like A. It was, well,
(34:54):
we'll get.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
To it, but we're gonna get to it real soon.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I don't know anymore next week, in fact, but I
think I'm like you when when Peacock started, when this
one started, I go, oh, this kind of sucks, you know,
And then toward the end of it, I'm like, it's
got a good ending.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
That's not bad, and I lean I than Brettan, to
her credit, is like suit. She does a very good
trans transition. She's like she's of all the characters. She
changes the second she's revealed. You see a physical change, her,
her acting style changes, her voice even changes. She looks
now mean she If you think back to her and
(35:35):
the someone's got to break the ic scene and then
compare her to the ending where she says there's no proof.
Totally different personality. So that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Well, and Wadsworth and Tim Curry here at the end,
he's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Oh he's leading on the banister and it's like, yeah,
I got it.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, he's kind of a cool dude.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
What do you expect like this was going to happen.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's why it's sad that some people died, because if
he had it all figured out early.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Like hey man, I know you're not really good at your.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
The cop to build the cop had we had.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
To see him. They wrap things up, But you know what, Jeff,
speaking of wrapping things up, we're gonna wrap this podcast
up so we can talk about eighty eight next week.
Eighty eight. Oh man, that's a bit. That's a big one.
Great Scott. That's Jeff Smith, Raiser, Ramon on the boat,
Rag Gilmore and we will see you next week form
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