August 19, 2024 • 30 mins
Six blackmail victims are invited to an isolated mansion by a man who knows a dark secret from each of their pasts. On arrival, each is given a pseudonym drawn from Cluedo before being introduced to the blackmailer. Each is handed a weapon, at which point the lights are switched off and the blackmailer is killed. Can the guests uncover the murderer before they all become victims? Brad Gilmore and Jeff Smith have a lot in common. Both are huge fans of the 1985 movie Clue, and both have made significant contributions to the film's legacy. Brad is the author of Back from the Future: A Celebration of the Greatest Time Travel Story Ever Told, and Jeff is the director of Who Done It: A Clue Documentary. In their new podcast, Clue the Movie Podcast, Brad and Jeff watch the movie one minute at a time and break it down. Along the way, they share behind-the-scenes stories, trivia, and their own personal insights. Whether you're a diehard fan of Clue or you've never seen it before, Clue the Movie Podcast is a must-listen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh on you to mister body, you made one fatal mistake.
Sitting here at dinner, Missus Peacock told us that she
was eating one of her favorite recipes and monkey's brains,
though popular in Cantonese cuisine and not often to be
found in Washington, DC. When we saw the motors at
(00:21):
the front door, you took the key of the weapons
coming out of my pocket. Then you suggested that we
all split up.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You separated from Miss Scarlet, crossed the hall, opened the cupboard,
took the wrench, ran to the conservatory, entered the lounge
through the secret passage, killed the motress with a blow
on the head.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Is not so incredible as what happened next, But we.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
All split up again.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I went upstairs with you, yes you, missus White damn.
While I was in the.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Master bedroom, you hurried downstairs and turned off the electricity,
got the rope from the open cupboard.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
And shottled Yvette.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You would jeou said your husband was shooping it back.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
To Hello everybody, Welcome back to Clue Movie Podcast, where
we break down the nineteen eighty five cult classic Blue
(01:24):
Money at a Time. My name is the Voue Brad Gilmore,
joined as always by the General Jeff Smith.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We are at minute ninety.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Of Clue the Movie ninety, which means we are just
a few episodes away from the closure of this show.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Oh my goodness, you know what that means.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's an hour and a half.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I did the maths.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I know mass is usually not our strong suit.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
That we are now at an.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
Hour and a half perfect spot, Yes, ninety fle minutes,
and we're now getting explanations of a couple more murders,
finishing of Missus Peacock into Colonel Mustard.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And then round Mustard.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
This is.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's true, see as we're watching this and so this
is ending three and it is a favorite of a
lot of people because, like we mentioned last time, you
get to see every all the game. Please to wow,
every Piece player, We're mad, there's your callback. Uh, every
(02:32):
gay piece character gets to have their moment. But I
also like this inding. I know we talked about in
the past how you're not or maybe you weren't. Maybe
now watching that you'll change your mind.
Speaker 8 (02:41):
Crazy about the flashbacks, but I really like that there
are more flashbacks in this one, because it's kind of
fun to see the we saw the murders happen like
you see it close upbout the pipe or.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The wrench, or like the gloves when the key is
being taken out, or you wonder when the key was
taken out of Wadsworth's pocket, and now it's like the
camera pulled back and we get to see exactly who
did it.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
So in the way that they do that with the
with the.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Glass onion and the knives out movies, I like that too,
where if the camera had just pulled back when you're
watching it the first time, you'd see exactly who it is.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It makes sense for Colonel Mustard to be wearing gloves.
I get that. I don't know where he got them,
and I don't know what to did with them. I
don't know why he thought to bring him, but he did.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But I do like seeing him do his thing, and
then seeing Missus White sneaking around and strangle an event.
Speaker 9 (03:33):
She's what I think it's missing in the Missus Peacock
at Name, because it just that one goes by so quick.
Because even in this one they do the monkey's brains
joke again, but they actually go into the dining room
for him to say it.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
And in the peacock at name.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
He just kind of says that in the hall, But
we do not get mister Green's disgusted reaction to the
monkey's brains.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
We cut so there is no reaction.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Yeah, I have several things on this minute. First off, we're.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Moving in this one. We don't time. We don't time
for that. We got to keep going. Everybody takes a turn.
This is the longing.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
First off, let's I want to start with where you
were just saying regarding the flashbacks. I did not, if
people remember it was I was not a particular fan
of the flashbacks and the scarlet ending for whatever reason,
I don't know. I just I felt like it kind
of interrupted my flow of figuring out. I could not
(04:27):
have made a more of a one to eighty on
this because the flashbacks here. I think if they didn't
have them, it would have been a detriment to the film,
because if you're just hearing the explanation of Wadsworth with
all these people and all these moving parts going all
over the place, there's no way you're really getting the
(04:48):
full Yeah, exactly, you're not getting the full breadth of
the explanation, but.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Having the visual with it.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Picture book esque we're able to hear and see what's
going on and either think that that was done very well.
So I'm glad that they did it for this ending.
I have a question from a filmmakers standpoint. In other
endings for Wadsworth, we see him start it and then
everyone's running with him to the next place where he
(05:20):
gets to the explanation. In this ending, it goes from
you know, I'm explaining to you in the hole and
then boom, we appear in the dining room and I'm
picking up my sentence right where I left off in
the dining room, whereas before he was like, and then
it happened in the study, bah bah bah bah. Okay,
(05:42):
then this is why it happened, you know. And in
this one it's literally like, you know, he goes from
telling miss Peacock something your fatal flaw, and then we're
in the dining room, the cook, the monkey.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Brains, and then we're here boom.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
In the next subpart, they were back to the front
door like before anybody reacts, just boom, boom boom.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I would say there's two reasons. One because this is
a longer ending, so we don't have time for that nonsense.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I think that's probably the reason if you were just
watching this movie with that being the old landing like
in the theaters. I think it also works when this
is the third ending that you're watching, because we already
seen them run around and we know the geography.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
We don't need it now, so I think for that
it works.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I just I just really think because there's so much
to this one, and also some of it doesn't make.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
One hundred percent sense, which I think is good.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
With the flashbacks as well, we've talked about before how
when Yvet runs down the stairs, you can hear Missus
White upstairs screaming at the darkness, and I think the
tack of the box that pops up for no reason,
and then the Vet's ready downstairs. We know Missus White
is still up there, but apparently she's also in the
billiard room waiting.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
To strangle her.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
If you show it in the flashback, it's it's easier
to go, oh, I guess it did happen because I
just saw it, and I totally agree with you that, yeah,
if he was just talking, you would be totally confused.
And I guess with Missus Peacock's ending, since it's all
her it's not, it's just she did it.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
You don't need to see it. Yeah, she did it.
And then this one it's it's it's again.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But I think it's also good because it is that
moment where everyone kind of gets to have their their
time in the sun.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But yeah, you're right, it is definitely the choppier of.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
The endings, like we don't have time to run around anymore.
We're going right to the front.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Door, go straight forward, although we do have.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
A wonderful moment where they where he does where Wadsworth
does take the time to lead missus White at least
halfway up the stairs.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
She doesn't make it all the way. She does drop
as he's going, so he still does have a moment
where he gets to lead people around and just her.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well, and that was my next thing I want to
ask you about.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Is that because okay, some of the physical comedy it
takes place within the narrative of the story, and it
makes a little bit more sense, like whether it's mister
Green it knocked down by Wadsworth or in the explanation
or someone's opening a door whatever, whatever the site gag is, right,
(08:09):
it kind of makes sense within the flow of that
scene this one, although it got to laugh on the
both of us. I didn't understand really like what the
setup before was, or like what the joke, you know
what I mean? Like it just kind of happened out
of nowhere, and I loved it. And I'm wondering, is
that something that is that something that you script like
(08:32):
way it in the script or is that something on
the set. I mean, I could try to find it.
If it's in the original script, that would be helpful.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It feels pretty organic to me, and I think it's great.
It kind of goes along with it's hard to keep
up with Wadsworth and he doesn't even care at this point.
So he's leading her to help illustrate a story. But
if you can't keep up, then.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah. I don't know where my original draft is.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Going, but interesting to see he goes all the way
up the stairs and he does that whole thing on
the banister, whereas while I was in the best bedroom,
and then she's halfway up the stairs, and I think
in the next shot, in the next minute, we see
he's downstairs. Now actually at this minute, he's downstairs, like
(09:25):
somehow he went back downstairs and must have passed her
on the stairs, so then he could look up and say,
you were jealous of Vet and.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
She because she has to come down the stairs to
say her iconic line that you will hear in the next.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Minute, we're going to be hearing. But I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I feel like it's a organic moment, and I'm about
to I'm about to try to find it here in
said script. Okay, very long script, as one might one
might assume because of the multiple inning.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
It's one of those long scripts. Yeah, I would be
very surprised if that is scripted, but I've been surprised before.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I was surprised if there was a mannequin in this
draft just sitting outside pretending to be a security guard.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Remember that one listeners right, you.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Know, I'm trying to find it. It's hard because remember
these endings in the script are actually like all turned around.
Oh yeah, trying to see I'm trying to find you.
This is the way he kills Peacocke. You've completely watching
version A, and then there's B and C. You're a
bit late for that. Which one is this?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Hold on, I'm sorry, I'm looking in real time. Mmm.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
So it must have been mister singing telegram girl.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
No, I don't know that. Is this it?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
The one?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Is this it? Let's see Wandsworth, missus.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
You're not going to find Flames because that was in prov.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Let's see where's it? Okay, this is why I think
Colonel Muster killed her.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
You're jealous.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Uh, yeah, I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing anything
that says that is a surprise.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Man, that is a surprise name. I think that could
have been a rehearsal thing. That could have been something.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
When they get to the set where they start to
like run up the stairs and.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I mean Madelon conn it was very.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Funny and very quirky, and I can see her maybe
even doing that on accident or just say it, I
just don't want to go up the stairs anymore.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
And it works. I think it's a very funny visual.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And it's one of those because it seems so organic
that when you watch this movie over and over again,
that's what you can.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
You always will.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Kind of smile at Flames on the side of my face,
but when you know it's coming, it's like, okay, yeah,
it's good stuff. When I've seen Clue in the theater
the last couple of years with Cluvians, they kind of,
you know, they chuck because they know that's the famous line,
but they usually are laughing at things like that. They're
usually laughing at, you know, Colonel Muster getting stuck with
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Miss Scarlett or there.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Or just watching Missus White.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Dude, like her weird facial expressions in the background and
her like not making it up the stairs, which is
easy to miss the first time.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You're watching it because so much is going on. You're
really watching Tim Curry as he runs up the stairs.
So I think that's probably why that's a.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Wonderful, probably improvised or just not scripted moment. I wouldn't
think to write that in the script. He's leading upstairs
and she just melts. It's like, yeah, the reason she
doesn't make it, Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, obviously Flames Flames is not in this one.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
And when I don't want to read this ending until
we get to the end of the ending so we
can really see how good, how different it is. I
got to the ending's got end before I can begin
the reading of the ending, and.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
It's got folks, The niting has got to end, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
What I mean.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
So that's why has to happen that first, but it is.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
It is funny.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
There is one line screen direction that I will read
here as far as Wadsworth in this explanation, because it
just popped me. Wadsworth has acted out the whole speech
from above at virtually the speed of sound, if not
the speed of light. Only the actions are intelligible. Only
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a few of the words can be understood, names and weapons.
Mainly they gaze at him dumbfounded. That's the direction.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So even the script was like, it's impossible to do
it this fast, and Tim Curry said, hold my beer,
because you do understand every word.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
He says, it's crystal clear.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So even the script Jona lind is writing and going,
I know this is impossible for a human to do.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
So we'll just at.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Least maybe hear the name of the character and the weapon.
Then just it'll be all visual and new. Tim Curry,
for the wind comes in and stunns the world.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
What I love about it is it says virtually at
the speed of sound, if not light. And I'm wondering
if I'm if I'm the actor reading for Wadsworth, Okay,
and I'm Tim Curry and I'm reading the script and
I'm going, oh, man, I got a lot here in
the ending here, Okay, what does this say?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I need to read it at the speed of sound,
if not light. Yeah, I just wonder if you I
put it away like, yeah, we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But you know what, when I interviewed Leslie and Warren
for the Clue documentary, she said herself.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
She couldn't do what he did. And she's at a
theater actress who you know, is used to like having all,
like a whole show memorized, and which, to me, even
that's too tall an order.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I can't imagine having a whole play, like a three
hour play and songs memorized to do over and over again.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I guess it's possible. People do it all the time,
but I could do it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I think with more reps it's probably better.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
But like with Clue, you have a shorter window because
then we try to do the math, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah they shoot it very quickly.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
They did, And yeah, that's true. With movies.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You memorize your lines, you do your scene, and then
now you have to take it out of your brain
and throw it away. And that's why when people meet
actors on the street or conventions or whatever.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
They say, oh, you know what my favorite line is,
it's this, and the actor goes, I do not know
what you're talking about, because one they said it probably
ten years ago, and two they dropped it out of
their brain immediately, and three they usually.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Don't watch their movies over and over again. I'm sure
some people do. Like the Caprio in What's Upon a
Time in Hollywood?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, you know, you know, how could you not want
to rewatch that movie?
Speaker 11 (15:52):
Then?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, oh, well that one. I mean, I mean his character,
what he watches with the way.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He watches him the FBI. You know, it's so funny.
Tangent alert, tangent alert. And then I promise I'll tie
it back in the clue. Just give you two minutes
on one. We do one more time on on Once
upon a Time Hollywood. When they're watching him you know, hey,
I did FBI. You want to watch it, you know,
And they're watching his episode FBI. There's a moment there
(16:20):
Brad Pitt and Lee are watching and Leo does like
a little jump out of the car, right out of
the back of a truck or or over a car
or some something like that, and Brad Pitt just goes,
it's a good leap, you.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Know, that's how he says, it's a good leap.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
And what's so funny to me about that is that
that's what we like in like in wrestling, if we're
watching somebody's match back, you know, that's how we talk
to one another.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
They Oh, man, hell, that was the hell of a punt.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
That the hell of you know, it's just like a
small talk, you know, Oh, great leap, that.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Was good stuff, man stuff. So I love that moment.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Okay, I want to tie back the clue here. Question
each actor reads the script right now, let's go back
into once upon a time in clue history. In Clue
Louis would, who of the I'm talking of all actors,
male or female, when reading the script, said to themselves,
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you know, if Tim Curry falls out, I can do that.
Which one of these actors do you see being able
to pull off his Because we know, like Miss Scarlett
was going to be Miss White and she probably would
have been a great Missus White who.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Could have taken the role of Wadsworth had he dropped out.
Carrie Fisher's style.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
Michael McKeon is the only one I could think of
that could come close.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I don't see Christopher Lloyd. He would have like the
more manic version of that. The running around, I guess
that's possible. Michael Big, Yeah, you run into the Michael
McKeith would have something at least closer to what Tim
Curry did.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
He could have the English accent we know. And Martin
Moll I don't know. Maybe Aileen Brennan. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I haven't seen Aileen Brennan and a lot of stuff,
so I always just picture her. He got mode, so
I'm sure if I.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Saw more where she's talking like a human, it's possible, right.
And then Madam conn.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is great, but she's great and more of her dissy parts.
I guess if she did the transformation, like if she
kind of did the ditsy airhead kind of thing and
then suddenly transformed, I guess you could do it. I
guess any one of them could do it. It'd just
be so different, and Tim and Tim curryus Wadsworth is
just one of those parts that it is difficult to
(18:58):
picture anybody else doing it, and if anyone else did it,
it would be a completely different performance, which it doesn't
mean it would be bad.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
It would just be it wouldn't be what we have.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I'm just wondering, like, yeah, it probably would be jumbled,
it would be it would be past the speed of Light,
but it would be.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
La Club. Yeah, it would be subtitled.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Be interesting to see, you know, if we could a
you know, AI somebody another actor.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, we've seen when they you've seen Clue on stage.
I've seen Clue on stage and the actors that i've
that we've seen are good.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
But it's never the speed, it's never the energy. It's
it's fine, it's good.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And if the problem is when when you know the
movie like we do, and the listeners, most listeners know,
it is hard to see Clue on stage and not
compare to everybody in the movie in the same way.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I'm probably sure when you saw Back to the Future
of the musical, you're like, oh, these guys are good. Yeah,
it's not one hundred percent like you just you can't
help it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
No, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Even like after, Yeah, it's even after like when Jim.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Henson passed away and they got new voices for the Muppets,
they it looks the same, but they don't sound right.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
That's not what Curviisun's all.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
There feeling, but it's not, it's not it's just not right.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
It'll never be what you know, especially when it's something
that you've watched a million times.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's difficult to pull off. It's difficult to
pull off for all those actors because it's just so
hard to rip it from your head like that performance,
you know when you see yeah, like you said, on
the stage plays. You know, although the gentleman who played
Wadsworth in Mind did a very good job, very good job,
(20:52):
like a very solid job, it wasn't too.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
You know, right, And that's that's tough. You gotta know
when you take that part. It's like, I mean to
a much lesser degree. But like when the new James
Bond shows up, be like, okay, no, you are going
to be compared for the rest of your life to
all these people. Same thing with superheroes, same thing with anything.
That's when you come in and I'll do it or
(21:18):
do a reboot and of anything like Vince Vaughan, I'm
sure it probably has regrets of doing the Psycho remake.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Because he was not the Norman Bates we all know
him most.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
No, no, And I just feel that, you know, taking
on those roles like, oh, well, I'm gonna do a
different take, you know, I'm gonna take this character in
a different direction. Nine times have ten doesn't work in
the small times that it does, Like, for instance, if
you want to think about a role like the Joker,
(21:50):
mm Jack Nicholson, great job, you know, Ledger excellent job,
Joaquin Phoenix, incredible job. And they're all playing the share
character leto you know, not my favorite, right, Mark Hamill,
great job, Caesar ro Merrow.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Great job.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
It can be done. It can be done.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Did you like the Letto Joker?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
But is it either?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
He's apparently in the movie, so he didn't. Really he
didn't do much for me. That movie was I didn't
like anything of that movie.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I mean, Margot Robbie was good, but that was pretty
much it.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
It was a weird montage movie. It was a long trailer.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
We know, David Ayre, I like the sequelque.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
David Air, the director obviously has a story about that
a whole different movie is why he shot. Yeah, I
wanted to color it up and what people should say.
I wanted to make it all colorful and montage.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well did they have the company that made the trailer,
they had them re edit the movie, and that's why
it feels like one big see where just is a
montage of songs you've heard in a million movies with
titles like explaining their stats. I think there are movies
that can do that, but this one it just felt
like it was trying to be cool, and there's.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Nothing worse like there's cool like Tarantino.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I remember when I saw Pull Fiction in the theater
and just when Misser Lou and the opening credits, which
is the jungle boogie on the radio, I thought, this
is the coolest move I've.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Ever seen and it was five minutes in.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So it can be done the cool feeling, But when
you're fake cool fo cool.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Fuok show not full me not good?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
No bueno, no bueno now.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But yeah, So do you think going back to people,
the actors that do those weeks, do you think it's
ego that makes them say I could do it?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Is it brave I think? Or is it paychecks?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
All three? Like, you gotta have a bit of an
ego to be like, Okay, I can pull this off.
You gotta be a little.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Intimidated, good enough, and you gotta be like, but is
it worth it?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Like I really I'm really interested. If I could hear
like one, I mean, there's probably a thousand. If I
could hear a recent conversation of talking an actor into
a movie. I would like to hear the Wakin Phoenix
chat when they're like, we want to do a Joker
sequel and just hear like what his reaction tod because
I believe I believe I read somewhere that there's never
(24:31):
been a I don't know if this is correct, but
there's never been a sequel for a character who won
an actor Best Actor?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Is that true? That can't be true, right.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
A sequel for an actor that won best you mean
like uh.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Heith legers no like like no no.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Like.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
For instance, say Jeff Smith won Best Actor for playing
Jeffrey Smith, right, and then normally you don't see you
don't see Jeff Smith play Jeffrey ever again, Like it's
a one off actor performance.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Best Oh, to make you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I that that I get it. I don't think that
it's probably not true.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Did uh Well, Brando wasn't in the Godfather too, so
he didn't do it again. But Jack Palance one for
Curly and City Slickers, and he played the twin brother.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
That's weird that my guess true, technically it's not the
same role.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
It's still Jack Palace with the catway.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
But and I'm that's weird that my go to on
coming up with like these best actor roles are like, Hey,
city Slickers, I don't know why. I think it's all
the cowboy motif in the background of yours. It probably
all the West.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Yeah, that's gotta be brave.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's the same way when like when like they decided
we're gonna make Psycho two going back.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
To Psycho, Like, hey, write Psycho two. Oh my gosh,
how do you do that? It's like two is good?
Speaker 11 (26:14):
So they did it, but who they could have not
look at the son of the Mask, look at a
Spina junior, look at anything where like what's let's right?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I mean, I don't know why I would double Jim Carrey.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Also, but like if if someone said, hey, uh, Brad Gilmour,
we're gonna do the Clue reboot, you can write it.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
You do a Clue podcast.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Oh that's a lot, you know, I mean, there's a
lot to take on.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, it's like most of the oscars, it's it's there's
too much, like it could go way wrong easier than it.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Can go right.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, it's like, what's the risk reward ratio of that?
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, is it worth it? The small chance that you're
gonna knock it out of the park. If you do,
then you're a hero.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And I guess it could be done. I mean, going
back to The Joker, doing a whole movie just about
the Joker could have been not good, weird.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, it's a good idea though, And that was the
that's the Penguin TV.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Show that I want to see that I want to see.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Yeah, Okay, last thing to talk about clue, which one
of these singular characters if you want to see them
in a HBO mini series?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
The character is Scarlet, pretty easy one in it. That's
kind of a layup.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, Scarlett for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And I think your Gaelic shrug idea helped with that
because I think both Scarlet and the Vet would have
to be in.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
It, and it would have bothered me to have those.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Parts recast as good as as Leslie and Warren is
a Scarlet and even calling campusy Vet, they're not wouldn't
if it's a prequel, which is what I would expect,
they'd have to be somebody else. And I think there
are a lot of modern day actresses that could have
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a lot of fun with both those parts.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
So there's your freebie, Hollywood, go off and make you miss.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
But we've talked about that in the past two where
like the only way to do like a clue series
would be like every or a cool way to do
a clue series was every episode is the prequel of
every character.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And then the last episode is they go to the house.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I still think we should. We should do it like it.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Would be like Lost.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It'd be like Lost where or maybe it starts when
they end up in the house and then like it
goes close up on Scarlett's face and then there she.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Is, and then like.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, and then there'll be one episode where it's like, oh,
it's the Kims. They're not my favorite, but okay, we'll
watch them for an hour.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
They're fine. I lost, by the way. I hate Lost.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, I've never seen it.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
I hate it. Oh oh wow, I wouldn't. Don't If
you ever decide to watch it, don't get excited. It'll
let you down.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
It'll let you down. Well, we try not to do
here for you.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The movie podcast not like this show.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
But we're about to head.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
To the end.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Oh, but here we are. We're about to go to
the final episode. Will we let you down? Will we
have been in purgatory this entire time? Who knows we're.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Gonna bring the whole cast of characters back. They're going
to talk to us in a trial setting of Jeff
in Brad.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Oh, well, we'll do the side Feld slash curve bath.
Finally we'll bring everybody back.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Everybody comes back, but that is the general Jeff.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
All right, we're here to talk about your tangents.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I am the boat Rag Gilmore.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah, he's on a boat.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Of clueing podcast, and we will see you all.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Flames come back to flames.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Flames on the side of our faces for many night
Oh on you to mister body, you made one fatal mistake.
Sitting here at dinner, Missus Peacock told us that she
was eating one of her favorite recipes and monkey's brains,
though popular in Cantonese cuisine and not often to be
found in Washington, DC. When we saw the motors at
(00:21):
the front door, you took the key of the weapons
coming out of my pocket. Then you suggested that we
all split up.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You separated from Miss Scarlet, crossed the hall, opened the cupboard,
took the wrench, ran to the conservatory, entered the lounge
through the secret passage, killed the motress with a blow
on the head.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Is not so incredible as what happened next, But we.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
All split up again.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I went upstairs with you, yes you, missus White damn.
While I was in the.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Master bedroom, you hurried downstairs and turned off the electricity,
got the rope from the open cupboard.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
And shottled Yvette.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You would jeou said your husband was shooping it back.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
To Hello everybody, Welcome back to Clue Movie Podcast, where
we break down the nineteen eighty five cult classic Blue
(01:24):
Money at a Time. My name is the Voue Brad Gilmore,
joined as always by the General Jeff Smith.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We are at minute ninety.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Of Clue the Movie ninety, which means we are just
a few episodes away from the closure of this show.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Oh my goodness, you know what that means.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's an hour and a half.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I did the maths.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I know mass is usually not our strong suit.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
That we are now at an.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
Hour and a half perfect spot, Yes, ninety fle minutes,
and we're now getting explanations of a couple more murders,
finishing of Missus Peacock into Colonel Mustard.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And then round Mustard.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
This is.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's true, see as we're watching this and so this
is ending three and it is a favorite of a
lot of people because, like we mentioned last time, you
get to see every all the game. Please to wow,
every Piece player, We're mad, there's your callback. Uh, every
(02:32):
gay piece character gets to have their moment. But I
also like this inding. I know we talked about in
the past how you're not or maybe you weren't. Maybe
now watching that you'll change your mind.
Speaker 8 (02:41):
Crazy about the flashbacks, but I really like that there
are more flashbacks in this one, because it's kind of
fun to see the we saw the murders happen like
you see it close upbout the pipe or.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The wrench, or like the gloves when the key is
being taken out, or you wonder when the key was
taken out of Wadsworth's pocket, and now it's like the
camera pulled back and we get to see exactly who
did it.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
So in the way that they do that with the
with the.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Glass onion and the knives out movies, I like that too,
where if the camera had just pulled back when you're
watching it the first time, you'd see exactly who it is.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It makes sense for Colonel Mustard to be wearing gloves.
I get that. I don't know where he got them,
and I don't know what to did with them. I
don't know why he thought to bring him, but he did.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But I do like seeing him do his thing, and
then seeing Missus White sneaking around and strangle an event.
Speaker 9 (03:33):
She's what I think it's missing in the Missus Peacock
at Name, because it just that one goes by so quick.
Because even in this one they do the monkey's brains
joke again, but they actually go into the dining room
for him to say it.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
And in the peacock at name.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
He just kind of says that in the hall, But
we do not get mister Green's disgusted reaction to the
monkey's brains.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
We cut so there is no reaction.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Yeah, I have several things on this minute. First off, we're.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Moving in this one. We don't time. We don't time
for that. We got to keep going. Everybody takes a turn.
This is the longing.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
First off, let's I want to start with where you
were just saying regarding the flashbacks. I did not, if
people remember it was I was not a particular fan
of the flashbacks and the scarlet ending for whatever reason,
I don't know. I just I felt like it kind
of interrupted my flow of figuring out. I could not
(04:27):
have made a more of a one to eighty on
this because the flashbacks here. I think if they didn't
have them, it would have been a detriment to the film,
because if you're just hearing the explanation of Wadsworth with
all these people and all these moving parts going all
over the place, there's no way you're really getting the
(04:48):
full Yeah, exactly, you're not getting the full breadth of
the explanation, but.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Having the visual with it.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Picture book esque we're able to hear and see what's
going on and either think that that was done very well.
So I'm glad that they did it for this ending.
I have a question from a filmmakers standpoint. In other
endings for Wadsworth, we see him start it and then
everyone's running with him to the next place where he
(05:20):
gets to the explanation. In this ending, it goes from
you know, I'm explaining to you in the hole and
then boom, we appear in the dining room and I'm
picking up my sentence right where I left off in
the dining room, whereas before he was like, and then
it happened in the study, bah bah bah bah. Okay,
(05:42):
then this is why it happened, you know. And in
this one it's literally like, you know, he goes from
telling miss Peacock something your fatal flaw, and then we're
in the dining room, the cook, the monkey.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Brains, and then we're here boom.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
In the next subpart, they were back to the front
door like before anybody reacts, just boom, boom boom.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I would say there's two reasons. One because this is
a longer ending, so we don't have time for that nonsense.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I think that's probably the reason if you were just
watching this movie with that being the old landing like
in the theaters. I think it also works when this
is the third ending that you're watching, because we already
seen them run around and we know the geography.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
We don't need it now, so I think for that
it works.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I just I just really think because there's so much
to this one, and also some of it doesn't make.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
One hundred percent sense, which I think is good.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
With the flashbacks as well, we've talked about before how
when Yvet runs down the stairs, you can hear Missus
White upstairs screaming at the darkness, and I think the
tack of the box that pops up for no reason,
and then the Vet's ready downstairs. We know Missus White
is still up there, but apparently she's also in the
billiard room waiting.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
To strangle her.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
If you show it in the flashback, it's it's easier
to go, oh, I guess it did happen because I
just saw it, and I totally agree with you that, yeah,
if he was just talking, you would be totally confused.
And I guess with Missus Peacock's ending, since it's all
her it's not, it's just she did it.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
You don't need to see it. Yeah, she did it.
And then this one it's it's it's again.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But I think it's also good because it is that
moment where everyone kind of gets to have their their
time in the sun.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But yeah, you're right, it is definitely the choppier of.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
The endings, like we don't have time to run around anymore.
We're going right to the front.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Door, go straight forward, although we do have.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
A wonderful moment where they where he does where Wadsworth
does take the time to lead missus White at least
halfway up the stairs.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
She doesn't make it all the way. She does drop
as he's going, so he still does have a moment
where he gets to lead people around and just her.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well, and that was my next thing I want to
ask you about.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Is that because okay, some of the physical comedy it
takes place within the narrative of the story, and it
makes a little bit more sense, like whether it's mister
Green it knocked down by Wadsworth or in the explanation
or someone's opening a door whatever, whatever the site gag is, right,
(08:09):
it kind of makes sense within the flow of that
scene this one, although it got to laugh on the
both of us. I didn't understand really like what the
setup before was, or like what the joke, you know
what I mean? Like it just kind of happened out
of nowhere, and I loved it. And I'm wondering, is
that something that is that something that you script like
(08:32):
way it in the script or is that something on
the set. I mean, I could try to find it.
If it's in the original script, that would be helpful.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It feels pretty organic to me, and I think it's great.
It kind of goes along with it's hard to keep
up with Wadsworth and he doesn't even care at this point.
So he's leading her to help illustrate a story. But
if you can't keep up, then.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah. I don't know where my original draft is.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Going, but interesting to see he goes all the way
up the stairs and he does that whole thing on
the banister, whereas while I was in the best bedroom,
and then she's halfway up the stairs, and I think
in the next shot, in the next minute, we see
he's downstairs. Now actually at this minute, he's downstairs, like
(09:25):
somehow he went back downstairs and must have passed her
on the stairs, so then he could look up and say,
you were jealous of Vet and.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
She because she has to come down the stairs to
say her iconic line that you will hear in the next.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Minute, we're going to be hearing. But I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I feel like it's a organic moment, and I'm about
to I'm about to try to find it here in
said script. Okay, very long script, as one might one
might assume because of the multiple inning.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
It's one of those long scripts. Yeah, I would be
very surprised if that is scripted, but I've been surprised before.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I was surprised if there was a mannequin in this
draft just sitting outside pretending to be a security guard.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Remember that one listeners right, you.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Know, I'm trying to find it. It's hard because remember
these endings in the script are actually like all turned around.
Oh yeah, trying to see I'm trying to find you.
This is the way he kills Peacocke. You've completely watching
version A, and then there's B and C. You're a
bit late for that. Which one is this?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Hold on, I'm sorry, I'm looking in real time. Mmm.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
So it must have been mister singing telegram girl.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
No, I don't know that. Is this it?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
The one?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Is this it? Let's see Wandsworth, missus.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
You're not going to find Flames because that was in prov.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Let's see where's it? Okay, this is why I think
Colonel Muster killed her.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
You're jealous.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Uh, yeah, I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing anything
that says that is a surprise.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Man, that is a surprise name. I think that could
have been a rehearsal thing. That could have been something.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
When they get to the set where they start to
like run up the stairs and.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I mean Madelon conn it was very.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Funny and very quirky, and I can see her maybe
even doing that on accident or just say it, I
just don't want to go up the stairs anymore.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
And it works. I think it's a very funny visual.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And it's one of those because it seems so organic
that when you watch this movie over and over again,
that's what you can.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
You always will.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Kind of smile at Flames on the side of my face,
but when you know it's coming, it's like, okay, yeah,
it's good stuff. When I've seen Clue in the theater
the last couple of years with Cluvians, they kind of,
you know, they chuck because they know that's the famous line,
but they usually are laughing at things like that. They're
usually laughing at, you know, Colonel Muster getting stuck with
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Miss Scarlett or there.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Or just watching Missus White.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Dude, like her weird facial expressions in the background and
her like not making it up the stairs, which is
easy to miss the first time.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You're watching it because so much is going on. You're
really watching Tim Curry as he runs up the stairs.
So I think that's probably why that's a.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Wonderful, probably improvised or just not scripted moment. I wouldn't
think to write that in the script. He's leading upstairs
and she just melts. It's like, yeah, the reason she
doesn't make it, Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, obviously Flames Flames is not in this one.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
And when I don't want to read this ending until
we get to the end of the ending so we
can really see how good, how different it is. I
got to the ending's got end before I can begin
the reading of the ending, and.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
It's got folks, The niting has got to end, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
What I mean.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
So that's why has to happen that first, but it is.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
It is funny.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
There is one line screen direction that I will read
here as far as Wadsworth in this explanation, because it
just popped me. Wadsworth has acted out the whole speech
from above at virtually the speed of sound, if not
the speed of light. Only the actions are intelligible. Only
(13:28):
a few of the words can be understood, names and weapons.
Mainly they gaze at him dumbfounded. That's the direction.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So even the script was like, it's impossible to do
it this fast, and Tim Curry said, hold my beer,
because you do understand every word.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
He says, it's crystal clear.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So even the script Jona lind is writing and going,
I know this is impossible for a human to do.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
So we'll just at.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Least maybe hear the name of the character and the weapon.
Then just it'll be all visual and new. Tim Curry,
for the wind comes in and stunns the world.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
What I love about it is it says virtually at
the speed of sound, if not light. And I'm wondering
if I'm if I'm the actor reading for Wadsworth, Okay,
and I'm Tim Curry and I'm reading the script and
I'm going, oh, man, I got a lot here in
the ending here, Okay, what does this say?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I need to read it at the speed of sound,
if not light. Yeah, I just wonder if you I
put it away like, yeah, we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But you know what, when I interviewed Leslie and Warren
for the Clue documentary, she said herself.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
She couldn't do what he did. And she's at a
theater actress who you know, is used to like having all,
like a whole show memorized, and which, to me, even
that's too tall an order.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I can't imagine having a whole play, like a three
hour play and songs memorized to do over and over again.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I guess it's possible. People do it all the time,
but I could do it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I think with more reps it's probably better.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
But like with Clue, you have a shorter window because
then we try to do the math, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah they shoot it very quickly.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
They did, And yeah, that's true. With movies.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You memorize your lines, you do your scene, and then
now you have to take it out of your brain
and throw it away. And that's why when people meet
actors on the street or conventions or whatever.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
They say, oh, you know what my favorite line is,
it's this, and the actor goes, I do not know
what you're talking about, because one they said it probably
ten years ago, and two they dropped it out of
their brain immediately, and three they usually.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Don't watch their movies over and over again. I'm sure
some people do. Like the Caprio in What's Upon a
Time in Hollywood?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, you know, you know, how could you not want
to rewatch that movie?
Speaker 11 (15:52):
Then?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, oh, well that one. I mean, I mean his character,
what he watches with the way.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He watches him the FBI. You know, it's so funny.
Tangent alert, tangent alert. And then I promise I'll tie
it back in the clue. Just give you two minutes
on one. We do one more time on on Once
upon a Time Hollywood. When they're watching him you know, hey,
I did FBI. You want to watch it, you know,
And they're watching his episode FBI. There's a moment there
(16:20):
Brad Pitt and Lee are watching and Leo does like
a little jump out of the car, right out of
the back of a truck or or over a car
or some something like that, and Brad Pitt just goes,
it's a good leap, you.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Know, that's how he says, it's a good leap.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
And what's so funny to me about that is that
that's what we like in like in wrestling, if we're
watching somebody's match back, you know, that's how we talk
to one another.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
They Oh, man, hell, that was the hell of a punt.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
That the hell of you know, it's just like a
small talk, you know, Oh, great leap, that.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Was good stuff, man stuff. So I love that moment.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Okay, I want to tie back the clue here. Question
each actor reads the script right now, let's go back
into once upon a time in clue history. In Clue
Louis would, who of the I'm talking of all actors,
male or female, when reading the script, said to themselves,
(17:23):
you know, if Tim Curry falls out, I can do that.
Which one of these actors do you see being able
to pull off his Because we know, like Miss Scarlett
was going to be Miss White and she probably would
have been a great Missus White who.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Could have taken the role of Wadsworth had he dropped out.
Carrie Fisher's style.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
Michael McKeon is the only one I could think of
that could come close.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I don't see Christopher Lloyd. He would have like the
more manic version of that. The running around, I guess
that's possible. Michael Big, Yeah, you run into the Michael
McKeith would have something at least closer to what Tim
Curry did.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
He could have the English accent we know. And Martin
Moll I don't know. Maybe Aileen Brennan. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I haven't seen Aileen Brennan and a lot of stuff,
so I always just picture her. He got mode, so
I'm sure if I.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Saw more where she's talking like a human, it's possible, right.
And then Madam conn.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is great, but she's great and more of her dissy parts.
I guess if she did the transformation, like if she
kind of did the ditsy airhead kind of thing and
then suddenly transformed, I guess you could do it. I
guess any one of them could do it. It'd just
be so different, and Tim and Tim curryus Wadsworth is
just one of those parts that it is difficult to
(18:58):
picture anybody else doing it, and if anyone else did it,
it would be a completely different performance, which it doesn't
mean it would be bad.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
It would just be it wouldn't be what we have.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I'm just wondering, like, yeah, it probably would be jumbled,
it would be it would be past the speed of Light,
but it would be.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
La Club. Yeah, it would be subtitled.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Be interesting to see, you know, if we could a
you know, AI somebody another actor.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, we've seen when they you've seen Clue on stage.
I've seen Clue on stage and the actors that i've
that we've seen are good.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
But it's never the speed, it's never the energy. It's
it's fine, it's good.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And if the problem is when when you know the
movie like we do, and the listeners, most listeners know,
it is hard to see Clue on stage and not
compare to everybody in the movie in the same way.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I'm probably sure when you saw Back to the Future
of the musical, you're like, oh, these guys are good. Yeah,
it's not one hundred percent like you just you can't
help it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
No, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Even like after, Yeah, it's even after like when Jim.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Henson passed away and they got new voices for the Muppets,
they it looks the same, but they don't sound right.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
That's not what Curviisun's all.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
There feeling, but it's not, it's not it's just not right.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
It'll never be what you know, especially when it's something
that you've watched a million times.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's difficult to pull off. It's difficult to
pull off for all those actors because it's just so
hard to rip it from your head like that performance,
you know when you see yeah, like you said, on
the stage plays. You know, although the gentleman who played
Wadsworth in Mind did a very good job, very good job,
(20:52):
like a very solid job, it wasn't too.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
You know, right, And that's that's tough. You gotta know
when you take that part. It's like, I mean to
a much lesser degree. But like when the new James
Bond shows up, be like, okay, no, you are going
to be compared for the rest of your life to
all these people. Same thing with superheroes, same thing with anything.
That's when you come in and I'll do it or
(21:18):
do a reboot and of anything like Vince Vaughan, I'm
sure it probably has regrets of doing the Psycho remake.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Because he was not the Norman Bates we all know
him most.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
No, no, And I just feel that, you know, taking
on those roles like, oh, well, I'm gonna do a
different take, you know, I'm gonna take this character in
a different direction. Nine times have ten doesn't work in
the small times that it does, Like, for instance, if
you want to think about a role like the Joker,
(21:50):
mm Jack Nicholson, great job, you know, Ledger excellent job,
Joaquin Phoenix, incredible job. And they're all playing the share
character leto you know, not my favorite, right, Mark Hamill,
great job, Caesar ro Merrow.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Great job.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
It can be done. It can be done.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Did you like the Letto Joker?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
But is it either?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
He's apparently in the movie, so he didn't. Really he
didn't do much for me. That movie was I didn't
like anything of that movie.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I mean, Margot Robbie was good, but that was pretty
much it.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
It was a weird montage movie. It was a long trailer.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
We know, David Ayre, I like the sequelque.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
David Air, the director obviously has a story about that
a whole different movie is why he shot. Yeah, I
wanted to color it up and what people should say.
I wanted to make it all colorful and montage.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well did they have the company that made the trailer,
they had them re edit the movie, and that's why
it feels like one big see where just is a
montage of songs you've heard in a million movies with
titles like explaining their stats. I think there are movies
that can do that, but this one it just felt
like it was trying to be cool, and there's.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Nothing worse like there's cool like Tarantino.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I remember when I saw Pull Fiction in the theater
and just when Misser Lou and the opening credits, which
is the jungle boogie on the radio, I thought, this
is the coolest move I've.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Ever seen and it was five minutes in.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So it can be done the cool feeling, But when
you're fake cool fo cool.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Fuok show not full me not good?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
No bueno, no bueno now.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But yeah, So do you think going back to people,
the actors that do those weeks, do you think it's
ego that makes them say I could do it?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Is it brave I think? Or is it paychecks?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
All three? Like, you gotta have a bit of an
ego to be like, Okay, I can pull this off.
You gotta be a little.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Intimidated, good enough, and you gotta be like, but is
it worth it?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Like I really I'm really interested. If I could hear
like one, I mean, there's probably a thousand. If I
could hear a recent conversation of talking an actor into
a movie. I would like to hear the Wakin Phoenix
chat when they're like, we want to do a Joker
sequel and just hear like what his reaction tod because
I believe I believe I read somewhere that there's never
(24:31):
been a I don't know if this is correct, but
there's never been a sequel for a character who won
an actor Best Actor?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Is that true? That can't be true, right.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
A sequel for an actor that won best you mean
like uh.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Heith legers no like like no no.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Like.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
For instance, say Jeff Smith won Best Actor for playing
Jeffrey Smith, right, and then normally you don't see you
don't see Jeff Smith play Jeffrey ever again, Like it's
a one off actor performance.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Best Oh, to make you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I that that I get it. I don't think that
it's probably not true.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Did uh Well, Brando wasn't in the Godfather too, so
he didn't do it again. But Jack Palance one for
Curly and City Slickers, and he played the twin brother.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
That's weird that my guess true, technically it's not the
same role.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
It's still Jack Palace with the catway.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
But and I'm that's weird that my go to on
coming up with like these best actor roles are like, Hey,
city Slickers, I don't know why. I think it's all
the cowboy motif in the background of yours. It probably
all the West.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Yeah, that's gotta be brave.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's the same way when like when like they decided
we're gonna make Psycho two going back.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
To Psycho, Like, hey, write Psycho two. Oh my gosh,
how do you do that? It's like two is good?
Speaker 11 (26:14):
So they did it, but who they could have not
look at the son of the Mask, look at a
Spina junior, look at anything where like what's let's right?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I mean, I don't know why I would double Jim Carrey.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Also, but like if if someone said, hey, uh, Brad Gilmour,
we're gonna do the Clue reboot, you can write it.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
You do a Clue podcast.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Oh that's a lot, you know, I mean, there's a
lot to take on.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, it's like most of the oscars, it's it's there's
too much, like it could go way wrong easier than it.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Can go right.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, it's like, what's the risk reward ratio of that?
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, is it worth it? The small chance that you're
gonna knock it out of the park. If you do,
then you're a hero.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And I guess it could be done. I mean, going
back to The Joker, doing a whole movie just about
the Joker could have been not good, weird.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, it's a good idea though, And that was the
that's the Penguin TV.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Show that I want to see that I want to see.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Yeah, Okay, last thing to talk about clue, which one
of these singular characters if you want to see them
in a HBO mini series?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
The character is Scarlet, pretty easy one in it. That's
kind of a layup.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, Scarlett for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And I think your Gaelic shrug idea helped with that
because I think both Scarlet and the Vet would have
to be in.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
It, and it would have bothered me to have those.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Parts recast as good as as Leslie and Warren is
a Scarlet and even calling campusy Vet, they're not wouldn't
if it's a prequel, which is what I would expect,
they'd have to be somebody else. And I think there
are a lot of modern day actresses that could have
(28:12):
a lot of fun with both those parts.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
So there's your freebie, Hollywood, go off and make you miss.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
But we've talked about that in the past two where
like the only way to do like a clue series
would be like every or a cool way to do
a clue series was every episode is the prequel of
every character.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And then the last episode is they go to the house.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I still think we should. We should do it like it.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Would be like Lost.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It'd be like Lost where or maybe it starts when
they end up in the house and then like it
goes close up on Scarlett's face and then there she.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Is, and then like.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, and then there'll be one episode where it's like, oh,
it's the Kims. They're not my favorite, but okay, we'll
watch them for an hour.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
They're fine. I lost, by the way. I hate Lost.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, I've never seen it.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
I hate it. Oh oh wow, I wouldn't. Don't If
you ever decide to watch it, don't get excited. It'll
let you down.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
It'll let you down. Well, we try not to do
here for you.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The movie podcast not like this show.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
But we're about to head.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
To the end.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Oh, but here we are. We're about to go to
the final episode. Will we let you down? Will we
have been in purgatory this entire time? Who knows we're.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Gonna bring the whole cast of characters back. They're going
to talk to us in a trial setting of Jeff
in Brad.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Oh, well, we'll do the side Feld slash curve bath.
Finally we'll bring everybody back.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Everybody comes back, but that is the general Jeff.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
All right, we're here to talk about your tangents.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I am the boat Rag Gilmore.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah, he's on a boat.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Of clueing podcast, and we will see you all.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Flames come back to flames.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Flames on the side of our faces for many night
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