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September 16, 2024 • 44 mins
Six blackmail victims are invited to an isolated mansion by a man who knows a dark secret from each of their pasts. On arrival, each is given a pseudonym drawn from Cluedo before being introduced to the blackmailer. Each is handed a weapon, at which point the lights are switched off and the blackmailer is killed. Can the guests uncover the murderer before they all become victims? Brad Gilmore and Jeff Smith have a lot in common. Both are huge fans of the 1985 movie Clue, and both have made significant contributions to the film's legacy. Brad is the author of Back from the Future: A Celebration of the Greatest Time Travel Story Ever Told, and Jeff is the director of Who Done It: A Clue Documentary. In their new podcast, Clue the Movie Podcast, Brad and Jeff watch the movie one minute at a time and break it down. Along the way, they share behind-the-scenes stories, trivia, and their own personal insights. Whether you're a diehard fan of Clue or you've never seen it before, Clue the Movie Podcast is a must-listen.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh by it what could be done?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
But if you want to know who killed mister Boddy,
I did in the hall with the revolver. Okay, Chief
take him away.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife.

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Speaker 3 (00:41):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
So well.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Up son.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hello everybody, and welcome to Clear Moly Podcast, where rebreak
down the nineteen eighty five cult classic movie Clube one
minute at a time. My name is Bo Brad Gilmore,
joined by the General Jeff Smith. Jeff, where are you currently?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh? I am currently sitting in a hotel room in
New York.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Get a rope the Big Apple EXAs guy. You know
they do not know how to make salsa. Oh no,
San Antonio, you're too young to know that commercial. How
do you know that reference?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I thought you're going to say they don't know how
to make I think you're gonna say they don't know
to make salsa in New York, which is obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
No, that's what that was the commercial. Do you know
when you say New York City, do you know what
you're referring to.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes, you're talking about you're talking about Victoria. Hold on,
are you talking about the salsa commercial for.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
La Victoria La Victoria? I think yeah, it was law
Victoria that you can google and yeah. There it was
a commercial, very popular commercial I think in the eighties
in the United States where yeah, it was about salsa
and there was a bunch of cowboys sitting around a campfire,
I believe ye, like blazing saddles, and they're talking about

(02:26):
this salsa. This stuff says it's made in New York City,
and all the other cowboys freak out and say New
York City in unison, and then they're going to kill
the cowboy that brought the bad salsa because they say,
get a rope, and that's how the commercial ends with
They're going to kill him, right because he brought New

(02:47):
York salsa. So yes, I am in currently a New
York home of bad salsa, which I will not bring.
I will not send to you in Houston because you
will get murdered. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, they'll get a terrible way to die. You know,
we do come from two Mexican food capitals I think
of the world, Texas, California, especially Los Angeles, and Houston. Yes,
a little bit further south, which we're pretty south Texas,
but a little bit further south it's even better. San
Antonio obviously has great Mexican food. But where we have

(03:20):
a text mechs variety?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Right, Well, you when I visited, you took me to
a wonderful text Mechs establishment where all the servers knew
your name. Oh, yes, they were very Yeah we're talking
about free plug Mamasitas in Houston.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
But you also went to Torchies Tacos.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
At Torchy's Tacos, which, yes, their logo is Satan. That's
their mascot, an adorable beels above. And I was so
I was tempted to buy. The next time I go,
I'm buying the T shirt you shot. My one regret
from going to Houston. I did get a wonderful meanwhile
in Houston shirt from the con, but I regret not

(04:03):
getting Satan on a T shirt promoting Torches Tacos, which
was also excellent. Yes, California and Texas definitely known for
their foods. Now that I'm back in the Boston, area.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Not so much, not so much. Well, here's the thing.
Let's let's recap this. We're about to get into the
last minute of actual dialogue for Clue the movie. This
at ninety four. We actually want to shout out our
Cluvians who joined us over the last couple of last
couple of weeks, of course Zach being, oh, Helena, who

(04:41):
all did phenomenal jobs. But but Jeff, when we started
this podcast, you were in Los Angeles, that's where you
were living. Yes, okay. And then it's because we started
this in like I think episodes started coming out in
October of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh, it would have been before that, because I no,
because I moved to you know what I now that
you say that, Yes, I think I had already moved
to Boston, but I had gone back home to California
for a bit, and I think maybe that's when we
started maybe the podcast. Well that's when we started. I

(05:21):
was on the Back to the Future podcast to talk
about who does the Clue documentary? And then soon after
that you said, I have an idea, and then we
started doing that. And then when I went back to Boston,
we continued that. And then I moved back to California
for a year and continue doing that, and now I
have since moved back to Boston. But today I am

(05:42):
in New York because today I'm going to go see
Back to the Future of the musical Scott and then
for the finale of all this, I should be back
in Boston for that one.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
So can I ask you to do me a favor
while you're at the back to your musical? This is
my favorite asking when you walk in and sit down
in your seat. Now are you in the mezzanine or
we orchestra? Where are we?

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Do you know? We are in orchestra left.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Orestra, left great section. This is what I want. This
is what I am asking for. I'm not I'm not demanding,
but I'm asking when you get in and sit in
your seat, send me your one emoji review of just
what you've seen thus far.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Just walking into the well, I still be allowed to
have my phone, Yes, they take your phone, okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
You never know when you have intermission, right, give you
a second emoji review of what you've seen thus far? Okay,
And then after the show's over, I need a gif
of your reaction of the entire.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
All right, An emoji upon entering an emoji at intermission
and a gift. A lot of the final thought, all right,
this is all that I could do, and then I
could do all that.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Then we can actually go into it on a Clue minute,
which I'm sure all the Clue fans would love.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
They love when we just go on and on about
back to the future. They do.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
But it's what brought us together. So guess what, guys,
suck it up.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I'm sorry you made it this far. You can deal
with a couple more references.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
So we had a review also that came in this
week that we're taping this, and I wanted to read
that and then we'll get into something in this minute.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Obviously we do have some dialogue.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
We have some dialogue, so there's something to get to.
This came in Monday from the dad Pool. Is the
name of the user, the dad Pool. Okay, the title
of the review lifelong fan. Now here's the question, Jeff,
is he a lifelong fan of you, a lifelong fan

(07:55):
of me, a lifelong fan of the podcast, which means
he's two years old, or a lifelong fan of Clue.
We're about to find out. Yeah, I've been a fan
of clue the movie for a long time, as long
as I can.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Remember it, I thought definitely a two year old dang it.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
And this podcast has reinvigorated my love for the movie.
The banter between you two is amazing. I can't wait
for your next collaboration. Look at that. Come on now,
I don't hey, I don't have something else. I was
hitting a sounding and that's not what I was looking for.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Oh my god, you're my dreamboat for sure.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
You're a flagger Brad.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
That is Leah Thompson calling me a dream boat, and
then James Tolkien telling me I'm a slacker. Not bad.
It's not bad man. After I was screaming in a microphone.
So that's I have a couple of fun drops, right,
give more, bitch. That's Bunbee, a Texas legend. What else

(09:05):
do I have here? There's My grandmother might recognize that one.
So anyway, there you go.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
You're a real radio guy. You've got drops, I've got drops,
You've got drops.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
So what do you think about the Dadpool?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Thanks? Dadpool? That's nice. Our banter can be amazing. Sometimes
when we sign off, I go, that was amazing. I
like that. Most of our compliments can be read almost
every time. It's always like it's incredible, it's I don't

(09:50):
know what to say, it's wow.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
It really could go either way. It's a really funny point.
It really could go out the way. Yeah. No, we
appreciate you, Dad, but we do appreciate the people who
are excited for our next collaboration. Pick six is the
name of it, and you can.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Actually recently changed. I changed my list again.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I've been changing my list too. Yeah, yeah, I've been
changing my list. There's a couple like constants, just because
I feel like I've talked them up a lot, one
of them being.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh yeah, the Phantom for sure. I think Phantom and
Collision Course are not going anywhere. And even if you
said collision courses off the list, I'd say, that's all right,
I'm watching it.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I'm putting it on.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, and we can talk about it without recording. We'll
just talk about it like humans.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
We actually would ask if everybody who listens to this
and to subscribe to this show, go over and subscribe
to Pick six right now, wherever you get your podcast,
it's available for you to subscribe to. There's no release
date on it yet, nothing there We haven't taped anything yet.
There's a trailer. Yeah, really, I had to put the gamble. Yeah,

(11:02):
so you you got to go over there. And so
that is pick six available wherever you get your podcast now, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Unheard.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Now we are rounding up in our minutes. Here. This
is the last bit of dialogue that we got where.
Here's the thing Michael McKeon as Professor Green or excuse me,
mister Green. He does a couple of things here phenomenally right.
I actually think his whole little bit here at the
end is great and it confirms something in our eyes.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So one thing that it does is it does call
back to the classic game, right, I mean, how how
you win clue? And you've played clue?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, yes, I have. Finally in my adult life, I
did play clue.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
And you know, after you fill out the little card
and then before you make your prediction, you have to
say it was Cardinal Mustard in the ballroom with the candlestick,
and like.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I declare, one of the best scenes in Bill and
Ted's Bogus Journey, by the way, play Death. They play
clue with death and he gets it wrong.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Death gets it wrong.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I believe it was professor plum. Okay, check out
Bogus Journy everybody. If you haven't seen it, but see
excellent Adventure first, you should probably go in order in
Bill and Ted.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
What about the third one?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh that was good. I'm not always big on legacy sequels,
but I did enjoy Bill Ted face music. And I
think we did not actually talk about on this tangent
Beverly Hills cop axel F, which you had seen early.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I did see it early, and then I think I.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Said on an episode I'm going to watch it today,
and that we never talked about it because I think
then we had the Clovians afterwards and it was all
about Boom. But I thought axl F was very good too.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Axl was great. Man.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
They did a really good job. I enjoyed it, and
I'm surprised how long it was because I was enjoying
it that afterwards I realized it's like we're getting close
to two hours there.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, no, it it was. It was solid. Here's a
couple of things on that one. Real because I know
people are going to love this.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Hey eighties movies fans, check out Beverlyhill's Got axel Worth.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
The watch Eddie is ageless. I mean, he still looks
obviously doesn't look like Eddie and eighty four whenever the
first one came out, but he still looks good and believable,
still funny. There's enough callbacks to the first one to
be like, oh, okay, hey, I see you did there,
but especially the music, but it doesn't hit you over

(13:48):
the hit.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
They bring the most of the iconic songs back. Those
are the only parts where I thought, Okay, we're kind
of hitting a little hard with the nostyle. And I
think it was the songs because they like the heat
is on? Is in there? The song from the second one,
which is shoot, what's the one from this?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh? Is that the one you're thinking enough? Oh no,
you're not about the one at the open from the
open of the movie. It's with the with the guy.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's the guy.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Oh shakedown break down.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Ok yeah, the opening chase and then Neutron Dance of
course comes back. And nothing from w Hill's Cup three
as far as music, but I don't remember one song from.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
The New World.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, Sherman Brothers. That's for your Disney fans. I thought
Bronson Pinchot was great and Bronson Pinchot's partner who I
didn't know who she was the real estate A Oh,
very funny. Oh, I think she was my favorite part
of the entire movie. I thought she was hysterical.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
She was very funny. Kevin Bacon, what knew what movie
he was in?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Right?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, was obvious what movie he was in. And then
you know Judge Reinold and uh, John Ashton not Judge Reynold, Yes, Judge.
I want to call him Judd Nelson. I always mix
it up, different person, but I don't know why they're
they're linked in my mind. And John Ashton noticeably older.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, especially John Ashton. It looked like a lot of
things hurt right when he like I felt, when he
would be on the ground, I think, oh, he's not.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Getting that right, there's no way, there's no way he's
getting up.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Somewhat helped him out because he was fine. And then
Joseph Gordon Levitt, I guess fine.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
No, good good. I liked it, and I like there's
a small little reference in there to the third movie, like, oh,
do you want to talk about what happened in ninety four?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
You know, I mean there's there's there's good stuff. So
our legacy.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
It was absolutely because I was not a fan of
the Second Coming to America at all. I thought that
was bad news.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It was not good.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
So I went in with very low expectations and it
was very pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Now I interviewed the director. If anyone wants to hear
that of actual f Martin molloy on the Collection podcast, which,
by the way, I'm on a great run recently. I
just want to shout out myself. If you want to
check out recent episodes, just check just check this out.
Here we go. Megan Trainer, big, big musician. You might
not know her a little bit, you know, after your time.

(16:36):
Jeff John O'Hurley from Seinfeld. That's a fun one.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Naomi Harris, who you know for Play Moneypenny and was
in the Caribbean parts of the Caribbean movies and more
than that. Jessica Alba, Yeah, I noticed that we all feed.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I noticed that she was talking about ageless.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
That'siculous, ridiculous. She is ridiculous, right, ridiculously amazing and beautiful.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Ernie Hudson, We're amazing in a very different way.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Our banter, yes, is amazing, but she's truly amazing. Yes,
she's truly amazing. Ernie Hudson came back, Gary Oldman, everyone,
Tyrese Gibson, Jerry Ferrara, Uh, Jay Will from Tulsa King
And guess what Next week? I got the man who

(17:34):
should have played Fletch in a remake, all due respect
to John Hamm, maybe like five six, seven years before,
maybe ten. Vince Vaughan. Oh, Vince Vaughn coming on the show. Yeah, yeah,
that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
With Vince vaugh No. Do you think you're gonna have
to say anything?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's a good question.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Uh, he's a talker.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
He is a talker, and he's good. That's good. I'd
rather a talker. I'd rather one question, throw it out
there and let him boom boom do your thing. Man.
I'm just here to watch, you know what I mean. So, yeah,
those are the recent ones. So go subscribe to the
Collection podcast and definitely Jessica albut the videos up, you know,
do you some favorite.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, there's a reason why that podcast that's video in
ours is audio.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that one you need to see to believe.
But you know, going back to this real quick, last
thing on a legacy sequeb you've seen Beetle Juice.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Beetle Juice, I did, and I did see it. I
thought it was very fun. Say that's all you can
ask for. I had a very good time. I enjoyed
it looked like they were having fun, not in an
Ocean's twelve kind of way, but like they were having fun.
But also the movie was enjoyable. I yeah, I liked

(18:54):
the whole thing. I liked that there was a little
kind of added on, little mystery to the plot, little
little I think, a little more story than the first
one even had. And so that was a nice little surprise.
And Michael Keith also angels. The makeup certainly helped, but
he fell right back intobody looked exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
His performance was was you know why you want to
see the movie?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, And I liked uh Winoda Ryder as well, doing
her like kind of almost like Bill Murray doing World
with the sidekick and Ghostbusters too, doing her a little
take on that. And yeah, I thought it was fun.
It was. Yeah, it was ridiculous in a good way.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Okay, it was just the final thing before we get
back to Clue axel F and Beetlejuice. Beetle Juice would
you want to see another one of either of those?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I would do another Beetle Juice.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Beetlejuice, Beetle Juice, Bele Juice.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah. I think Beverly Hills Cop is fine, and I
think that I would leave it alone bill Juice. The
way it ends, I enjoyed, and it made me think, Okay,
they have other ideas, because they kind of just all
of a sudden at the end in clue fashion, have
what I guess you could say is technically more than
one end, in which I don't think is a spoiler,

(20:15):
And if it is a spoiler, I already said it.
But it just that to me, it felt like, oh,
we have other ideas. Here's just some other things we
could have done, and maybe we'll see you in twenty
four years or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, we'll talk more about Beatle Juice
Beetle Juice at a later date. But back to this.
So Michael McKee has this great kind of very classic
mic like a clue delivery and dialogue and then the
big kicker to the movie. I do love how they think,
you know how we're going to end this movie. The

(20:52):
best line ever.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, In this movie.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
And then Michael McKeon, by the way, though delivered. I mean,
I gotta give him credit on the delivery here because
it was very hammy, but it was very like what
it needed to be. And talk about a guy who
knew what movie he.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Was in, he sells it.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
He just turns to the Cameron and goes, I'm gonna
go home and sleep with my wife, and you're like.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Right, because I'm not really gay. They lined out everything including.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
That, including the whole gay thing, which.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Is so funny because that part of his character. I
guess they refer back to it repeatedly during the movie,
but not too much, and it's something I don't think
about necessarily when I think of mister Green's character as
a defining characteristic. But I think the only time they
really refer to it is when he's the only male

(21:51):
that doesn't want to go up with event to the
to the attic, and that's why. But even that, you
could say, well, no, he doesn't want to go with
her because she's the most suspicious person in the room
and he's not going to be blinded by right that,
And then miss Scarlett the previous maybe it was a

(22:12):
minute before this maybe before where she makes the fruit
reference to remind us all and then yeah, by the way,
I have a wife. Yeah, it is kind of in
a movie with amazing dialogue and amazing jokes. That's the
that's the closer.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well and by the way, though the closure of this ending, yeah,
it's the ending of the full movie. But in the theaters, right,
you know, you might have gotten a different last you
would have.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, you've got either one plus two plus one is
and the chandelier callback in the first ending or does
anyone want fruit or dessert for the second a callback
and this one, I guess is more of a weird
twist on his sexuality.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
But this does confirm our suspicions, right, like when you
really think about it, that he's never been the real
mister Green and that the real mister Green has to
be somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's just it's it's nice because it's one last.
And by the way, I also lie about this. You
didn't know anything about me except for I told you
I didn't do it. I told you I didn't That's
what he was very clear from the very beginning. He
was very honest about that and nothing else.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
So is he the only honest one throughout the movie
other than his sexuality and.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
His complete identity. He doesn't He's not who he says
he is. He doesn't work for who he says he
works for. He's no, he's a probably the biggest liar.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Everybody else eventually does confess. Mister Green is if his
crime is that he is not who he says he is,
It's true. And then mister Green, who I think we've
talked about in previous episodes, who is the real? What?
What eighties actor? Is mister Green? Somewhere off screen? Yeah?
So somewhere, uh, the the gay the KA Washington employee

(24:18):
played by Bill Murray is running around going, I wonder
what's happening at the house.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
And a blackmail victim, yes, and a blackmail victim. And
the thing is, how do they coarse you real, mister Green?
Do they just say, look, we know what you did,
you're you can't?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, that's it. What's the scene? What's the prequel scene
where they go to the real mister Green and say, okay,
we know you got this letter? Or does mister Green
go to the FBI. Ah? I think he says, you
know what I've had enough of this. I can't go on.
I work in Washington, I have friends in the FBI.
Perhaps I'm going to do this. I'm going to turn

(24:58):
mister Boddy in and then go get him. And they say,
you know what, we're kind of aware, mister Bonnie. There
are others like you that you don't know about. We're
going to bring them all together into one house. We're
not going to send you. No one knows what you
look like, which is weird because you think they would.
Mister Body should know what mister Green looks like if
he's blackmailing him.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Okay, let's break that down for a second. Yeah, yeah,
so if he's blackmailing him, Okay, so first off, two
blackmails somebody. You have to know something about their secret
secret and to get that kind of secret on mister Green, Okay,
it could happen one and.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
We don't know what is real secret is. As we
talked about before, Wadsworth has like two pages of notes, right,
and when mister Green distracts him from the notes with
his confession of being gay, he does that great take
on flipping through the pages like I didn't see that
in the in my dossier. So we don't even really
know what the crime is, but I guess it's something

(25:59):
where he's anonymous as far as his appearance.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Goes, well, like, if it okay, let's just go with
what we're told. If it's the fact that he's a
homosexual and he can't be for his job, how could
how could Wadsworth get that information without seeing it firsthand?
I guess a partner of mister Green's a.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Well, that's the thing. That's not what's in the note,
So that's not why he thinks he's there. That is
a surprise to him. So he mister Green says the
reason it's being blackmailed is that, But Wadsworth didn't know
that was the reason. He thought it was something else.
He thought it's whatever's written on the papers. So that's
a shock to him. So the real mister Green has

(26:49):
done something completely different. And now that we've said this,
I'm reminded that the real mister Green may not be
gay either. This was more of a shock confession to
distract them from Yeah, oh my goodness, I's not homosexual.
So whatever the real mister Green does, it's probably not that,

(27:12):
or it could be. It doesn't really matter, but it's
that's not what he's being blackmailed for. That's not the
information that Wadsworth has and in to.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Me though, they react in a way to him being,
you know, saying that he's a homosexual. They react, the
characters react, and wadswors like, oh okod, let me move on.
But I do I do feel like there was a
bigger reaction to the admission that Wadsworre's wife was a socialist.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yes, the only person that acts well, you hear missus
Peacock make that sound the second of the teeth sound
like because she's disgusted by everything. Scarlett just smiles because whatever,
anything scandalous is entertaining her.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, and sexuality, I don't think she has a big
issue with No.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, she's seen it, she's seen it all and and well.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
It might have been accurate too.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Maybe maybe. Then when mister Green, after his confession, sits
back down, Professor Plum gets up immediately because he doesn't
want to be sitting next to him because he might
catch it. Or mister Green may be so attracted to
Professor Plum that he's gonna want to have gay relations
with him right there on the couch. I don't know,
but You're right, those are the only real reactions to it,

(28:29):
and then it doesn't come up again ever. Well, I
think I think socialist is gasp shock.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think Plum's reaction was more not so much he
was worried to catch it or he was going to
get engaged in the relations I think that some men,
especially even today, but definitely of the time in the fifties.
You know, it's like that. I hate to even use
this term because I feel like this term has like
been bastardized. But it's the the it is the toxic masculinity,

(28:58):
right of like I can't into anything. Oh, you know,
you know what I'm saying, Like right, I'm trying to
think of a better way to describe it. But I
think it's more so I'm now worried about you. I
don't want to feel less, you know, manly than I
now am. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, it's kind of like I think there's are terrible words,
but it's that whole like sissy kind of thing or
uh just yeah, not not a man's man, which Professor
Plum obviously is over compensated for something by having relationships
as many as possible and with all kinds of different women.

(29:35):
So yeah, it's yeah, maybe may perhaps also hits a
little too close to him. He's trying to seem more masculine.
It for Plum it's probably of all the men, they're
the least masculine, right, so yeah, that checks out, Like
not me though not me. I'm I'm pipe a pipe

(29:58):
a pipe, Come on, man a man, I can't be
that kind of guy. I gotta pipe, I smoke pipe and.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
What like, Now that we know that it's inaccurate. Also
like again playing on people's versions of the time, right
bye bye by making this mythos up about yourself, also
might want people to fraternize with you less perhaps maybe

(30:26):
and ask less questions or just ask less questions.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, like if that's what he's willing to admit.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Right right, I don't want to know anymore, right right, right,
It's kind of brilliant.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Makes sense. It was, yeah, a good little uh distraction.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Now the other question is this is he shoots Wadsworth.
Wadsworth's dead. We know in this ending Wadsworth is the
real mister Body. Mister Body is the butler. Are we
buying that mister Body's the butler?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
He's pretty well dressed for a butler, he's got snazzy shoes.
But it would explain because butlers are good at making
things tidy and neat. It would explain the packages wrapped
up so nicely, of the weapons, like mister Body sent
out his butler leaving to the store. Now see that

(31:23):
that prequel that AI came up with of mister Body's
trip to the store makes sense because he would be
he would have an eye for detail, and he'd walk
in and say, I.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Need purple ribbon, and I need black boxes of very
exact shapes, very wrap this disgusting wrench.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It is pretty funny, man, when you think about it
that way. I'm trying of fun. Let's see, I don't
know if this is accurate. This is what it says yearly. Okay,
so get this in nineteen fifty four. This is according
to the US Department of Commerce and the Bureau of

(32:12):
the Census, taken in October of nineteen fifty five. October
of nineteen fifty five, Great Scott. That that really is great,
Scott Worthy. It says this. It says for all persons
fourteen years old and over receiving any money income, the

(32:33):
median average ear income annually was an estimated twenty three
hundred dollars a year people were making in nineteen fifty four.
Now my question is this, if that's the average income,
Butler's probably on the lower end of that.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Right, you just said twenty three hundred.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Twenty three hundred a year. That's what it says.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
That can't be right.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Twenty three hundred year. That's literally what it's.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
It that can't be right.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
A year. I mean what things things used to cost
a nickel back then?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
All right?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Among men, the median income of those living in urbanized
areas was thirty seven hundred dollars a year. Okay, So
I'm just telling you what it's said.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, internet has never lied before.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
A high end of the salary range here is seventy
six hundred dollars. So, but think about it like I
remember in Jackie Brown, she said she was at airline
stewardess and Pam Greer told Michael Keaton's character in the movie,
I make nineteen thousand dollars a year plus benefits. Nineteen

(33:51):
thousand plus benefits. That's in nineteen ninety seven. Uh yeah,
somewhere around there. So if we if we roll back
forty three years, I mean, fifty seven dollars sounds like
pretty good money. All right, here's here's here's my reason

(34:12):
I'm saying this. Do you think a butler is probably
making Let's say he's making twenty two hundred dollars a year.
I could be completely wrong on all of this, but
this is what I'm reading online. Say he's making twenty
two hundred dollars a year, not a whole lot of money.
Do you think that he can really go out and
buy all those gifts for people?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like a gun costs the expensive one, So I'm.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Going to guess a gun cost between thirty and sixty dollars.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, he's not the most scrupulous of characters, so who's
to say he bought anything. You go steal a gun,
You can go get a wrench and handlestick. And well,
the rope is a noose. That's pretty specific unless he
tied it, which again is a wonderful skill a butler

(35:07):
could have, I guess, to take just a note or
a rope and then put it in a perfect noose. Yeah,
I don't know how to tighty news. You don't have
a tight news no due?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, good, Why would I know? That I'd be a
little nervous if I was your partner, and like, you're
playing with rope one day and she's like, hey, what
are you doing. Oh, I'm practicing, ty, I'm learning how
to tight noose.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
So again, just for reference, here the cost these are
in the nineteen fifties. Of butter seventy four cents a pound,
Eggs were sixty seven cents a dozen. Rice was seventeen
cents a pound. A washing machine, a brand new washing
machine electrical General Electric sixty five bucks. A bicycle was

(35:59):
four five bucks. It actual kind of sounds a little high.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
How much was a gun and a rope and a candlestick?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
It does say, it does say in the Let's See Night,
that's nineteen thirties. Okay, well, it's only telling me the
cost of a machine gun.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
That would have been fun.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
What a cost of a machine gun's about two bucks?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yes, singer telegram, I believe you, Tommy, but my.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Tommy gun don't. Yeah. Okay, interesting. So nineteen fifties shotgun, rifle, rifle, pistol.
Here we go. A cold nineteen eleven forty five pistol
was forty nine ninety five. It's pretty pricey. What a deal.

(36:48):
That's pricey, man.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I don't know. I think bullet should be twenty thousand
dollars each, isn't that?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Isn't it a Carling bit? Chris Chris Rock, that's a
Chris Rock. Yeah, that's right. Then you'd really want to
think about it.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, he must have done something.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Anyway, So okay, anything else from the last bit of
dialogue here that we should talk from the dialogue?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
No, and again we talked about Howard Hessman the elderly
The elderly man gets to have a smirk at the
end because he likes the last line of dialogue too.
He's like, because you're not.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Kay, I get it, We get it. You get it
is gotten?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Bi. Yeah. We joke about this at the station all
the time.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah. Hessman was good. Yeah, all right. Let me ask
you this before we wrap this minute up here. Yeah,
which is we spent a lot of time on a
little dialogue here, which I'm kind of proud of ourselves.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Well, Beverly Hills cop got a majority of the dialogue.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Do you like because this is something that used to
be more prominent in movies from the eighties, nineties, even seventies.
They don't do it as much anymore. Some of the
Marvel movies tend to do it, though. Is the end
title credits are the end credits have a little bit
more animation to them, just like the regular scroll.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, I love picture credits. Picture credits are like my
favorite thing where they show the cast like the Police
Academy movies used to do that. Yeah, I love it.
And sometimes it's an outtake where you can see them,
like you don't hear the dialogue, but you'll see that
they messed it up and they kind of laugh and
smile and it's another one of those like, oh, we're

(38:49):
having fun. I think Dogma Chemisms. Dogma has picture credits,
so it still happens from time to time. But yeah,
that was definitely big in the eighties. And yeah, I'm
I'm a big fan of the picture credit.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Do you like the reveal like it's cards, Well, that's.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, that's genius. That's that's great because it's it's definitely
ties into the game and it makes sense. And this
is when you see them, it makes you realize how
bad they boned it that they did come out with
a clue. They have still yet to come out with
an official clue version. They just came out with what
we do in Shadows and Wednesday and still no clue

(39:31):
of the movie Clu.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
It's very crazy. There's no clue.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Who's the holdout? What?

Speaker 4 (39:35):
What?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
What actor was the holdout of that? It's got to
be somebody.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Was he here's the thing. Some of them have passed on,
so it might be the estate.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
It's the estate. The Madeline Connostate says, nope, she will
not be on a board game.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Right, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I'm just I just picked a name.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, yeah, it could be.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I think that that would be a no brainer, especially
since next years the fortieth anniversary. It'd be the perfect
time to do it. And now that Clue the movie
is getting way more love than ever. I think, In fact,
on Tuesday, this is coming up Tuesday, so if this
drops Monday tomorrow, I'm going to the Alamo draft House

(40:18):
in Boston where they're having a Clue movie party. And
those are usually pretty fun because they'll have seen food
and beverages and usually some kind of little giveaway and
people sometimes dress up. And I'm going just because I
haven't seen Clue enough, so I will go and watch
it again, and also I will sit there amongst all

(40:40):
the Clue fans and just look and say, hey, anybody
look familiar over here?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Anybody seeing a documentary? Would it help if I pretended
like I was driving? That's what I'm doing in most
of the documentary. Do you want to see what I
look like?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yah?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Gotta hoodie just in the movie? No, no, nobody, nobody.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, but I do like the reveal. I like the
picture credits. Now, let me ask you this. You think
they're because you are in New York, so this is
like an apropos time to ask do you think they're
doing like a three card MONI thing here? Like why
is it the three cards? And they're like, oh, it's
this one. No, now it's this one. Like is that
what that was supposed to be?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, I don't know. I wondered that too. I think
the cards are because of the game. It's three cards
to be the finish. It's the character of the weapon
in the room. So that part makes sense. But yeah,
it is kind of it's stupid fun, but I will
admit I have done that where I try to remember
which one turns next, and it's dumb.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
But you know, have you ever played have you ever
played three card money in New York?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
No, No, I scamm dude. Don't you know all those
people standing around watching and winning, they're in on it too.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Plants.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, they're all plants. I thought they were called fruit.
I set you up for it, man, you sure did.
Brad Gilmour, what a team.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Walk right into it. Yeah, I think that this is
probably though it for this. Now the next three minutes
are credits, So we're going to figure out and you know,
a way to make that entertaining for you all to
listen to three minutes of credits. So get Jeff and
I weft the game plan.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, we Yeah, I have to do some planning this time,
but we'll definitely get to enjoy some shake, cradle and
roll for one minute at a time.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Just how you really should listen to this all?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Well, yeah, don't listen to all on one.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Sit in one minute at a time.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Get out of that kitchen and rattle those We'll be
back next week to the rest of the lyrics. What
what are you going to rattle in that kitchen? What
are you going to rattle that you get out of?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
What shakes so much to rattle? What rattles? And what roles.
I mean, it's really n life's question. You know, it's
a really last question. But anyway, Jeff, enjoy back to
the future of the musical.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I know, I'm so excited. I'm going to go get
ready right now.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I'm excited to report and I can't wait to get
your emoji g Emojiji and your gift. We're excited. We're
all excited. We want to know and I will share
next week with everybody what they were. Yes, you know
what I mean, and we'll have some fun that way. Well, Jeff,
thank you our Clue doc dot com, cluepodcast dot com.

(43:30):
Subscribe to Pick six now so you can just get
it ready whenever the first episode drops, and you can
go to other bo Brad Gilmour dot com so where
we can get a lot of links. I need to
update some of them and check out the other collection.
We got a lot of good ones, Jessica Alba and
watch it.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Oh yeah, And if you if you've been thinking, oh,
I want to write a review and I hope they
read it.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
On the podcast, you better do it now because the
clock is ticking.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
We got three more weeks after today, three more that's it,
and then do it.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Right now, go write it. Tell us how amazing we.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Are, amazing, amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Question by question, our question mark.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Incredible, listenable. I don't know, would Jeff enjoy up until
next time. It was mid at ninety four Lou to
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