North by Northwest (1959) [Jeff Pic]

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Puck Sex Today we are talking. North By Northwest, directed
by Alfred Hitchcock, released in nineteen fifty nine. When suave
Madison Avenue advertising executive Roger Thornhill played by Carry Grant,
is mistaken for a government agent named George Caplan, He's
thrust into a deadly game of espionage. Kidnapped by foreign

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spies led by the calculating Philip van Dam played by
James Mason, Thornhill narrowly escapes in elaborate assassination attempt, but
finds himself framed for murder in the process. On the
run and desperate to clear his name, Thornhill crosses pass
for the mysterious and alluring Eve Kendall played by Eva
Maurice Saint, who seems to offer help but may have

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secrets of her own. From a frantic auction house getaway
to an iconic crop duster chase in open fields, Thornhill's
journey races towards a tense showdown on top of the
faces of Mount Rushmore r identities, loyalties, lives hang in
the balance, Blending suspense, romance and wit, north By Northwest
is a masterclass in hitchcocky and Intrigue, often hailed as

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one of the greatest thrillers ever made. This is north
By Northwest.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm an advertising man, not a red herring.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I've got a job, a secretary, a mother.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Two ex wives, and several.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Bartenders dependent upon me, and I don't attend to disappoint
them all by getting myself slightly killed. Carry Grant becomes
a secret agent against his will, propelled at gunpoint onto
the highest level of international intrigue and framed for murder.
Carry Grant running for his life, searching a man who

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doesn't exist and a secret nobody knows, and finding a
blonde who has all the answers.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hello, tell me, why are you so good to me?
Shall I climb up and tell you?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Are? At breakneck speed? They race together to what the
excitement that lies dead ahead north By Northwest. I know
you are the murder You don't Carry Grant. Even Marie
Saint and James Mason as the man of sinister surprises.

(02:33):
Probably the only performance that will satisfy you is when
I played dead.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
In your very next role, and you'll be quite convincing.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
I show you.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
The perfect set up for suspense, with the perfect woman
and the perfect crime as Alfred Hitchcock takes you north
By Northwest.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Pick Sex, Well, here we are Pick six is back,
the fourth film of this twelve film saga has started,
and we are going to nineteen fifty nine s north
By Northwest, directed by mister Alfred Hitchcock, starring the ever

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vessel Terry Grant Jeff. This was a selection by you,
which I think was a reactionary selection. Erry, I think
a reactionary selection to my last pick, which was On
Her Majesty's Secret Service. But why this movie?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yes, you are absolutely correct, so this one is certainly
a favorite. And but yeah, watching On Her Majesty's Secret
Service made me think that this feels like something else.
This feels like I have I have seen some elements
like this before, and it made me want to watch
north By Northwest afterwards. So I went away from my

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little scribbled notes of potential pick sixes. I think I
texted you, maybe even before I was done watching Bond,
and just asked if you had seen this. You said no,
and that was enough for me, and and here we are.
And by my question to you, though, is how many

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Hitchcock movies have you seen before?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
This?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
So it's a really great question, because obviously Hitchcock is
such in the public consciousness as far as directors, and
I mean you even hear the well, that was very
HITCHCOCKI in right, that's like a term that people use
in a lot of ways. So for me, I went,
I'm like, how many Hitchcock movies I've actually seen? And
I shockingly to myself, this makes the third hit movie

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I'd ever seen.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Okay, So that's how I was with Bond the last
time I thought, oh, I've seen Bond, and then when
I made the actual list, when I haven't seen a
lot of Bond. So which ones have you seen? So
I'm gonna guest. Hold on, I'm gonna guess Psycho. Yes,
rear Window, so I have not seen Rear Winds, The Birds,
The Birds, Yeah, and now north By Northwest.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
The Birds was one that I remember my dad always
talking about, like as a movie that he watched it
was a young man and truly frightened him. Oh okay,
it was like one that he just could never get
past for some reason. And I mean, well, not for
some reason. This is like The Birds is scary, Like

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it's a scary movie.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, Birds, I don't want birds.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I just feel like they haven't such an advantage over
us because they can fly and they move around so
much easier, you know, So the birds. But what's interesting
when I was looking up kind of and I know,
we'll jump into it. When I was looking through like
his filmography, I noticed that every Hitchcock movie I saw
was like right by each other, like in succession, because
he did this movie The Birds. I mean, he did

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this movie Psycho and then The Birds.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, you're in that three spot actually that for Hitchcock
fans where this movie north but Northwest comes out in
a very big Hitchcock sweet spot because he had dial
in for murder, which is great in fifty four Rear
Window to Catch a Thief. These are all in the fifties.
The Man who Knew Too Much Vertigo is fifty eight,

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and so these are like the when you think of
Hitchcock movies, those are the ones you think of. And
The Birds kind of ends that, not kind of it
ends that that sweet streak that he had going there,
and then he kind of tapers off towards the end.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, so he's he's one of these directors that again
I feel like he's in the same like when I
hear his name, I always hear Stanley Kubrick's name come
right after it, like if they're talking about directors, like, oh, Hitchcock,
Kubrick blah blah blah. And I guess because he was

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lauded as a master of his craft, Hitchcock, I mean,
as far as he told essentially a lot of similar
stories right in the same kind of genre throughout. I
guess north By Northwest actually might be an outlier to
at least some of his later work seems different than

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what I know Hitchcock to be. Like when you say
Alfred Hitchcock, I think horror thriller. There's some sort of
murder that went on, right, and yeah, but this is
like kind of a departure in some ways from what
I would.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Actually to me just from seeing more Hitchcock movies, this
one almost feels like a greatest Hitsco movie for him
because it has a lot of things that he used
in earlier movies. He was a big fan of The
Wrong Man, as he even made a movie called The
Wrong Man, and it's about some poor guy that gets
you know, an average guy. If Carry Grant could be

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considered an average guy, average for Carry Grant. Again, he's
an advertising that probably will not be the last carry
bad Carry Grant impression.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
You're here on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
But it's just a guy that's binding his own business
and all of a sudden he gets sucked into this
this world.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
And that was a popular thing with him.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
He loved movies where there was travel, and I think
most people, if they know Hitchcock cliches the cool blonde
and Eva Maurice Saint, we certainly have in that category.
And then he used to really like to use famous

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American geography. And this movie has the United Nations, it
has New York and of course finale at Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, you know, Okay, so this is againting coming from
a Hitchcock novice. Overall, I just feel like the I
guess the rep on him are like the chat GPT
version of Hitchcock would be like, oh, he's as a
thriller horror kind of guy, right or suspense?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Is that the right word?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
The suspense. I mean that's his nicknare is. He's known
as the master of Suspense. He did more slow Burn
kind of movies. Psycho was actually the departure movie for him,
if you will. That was his down and dirty. After
he made north By Northwest, which was for MGM. It
was big budget, big movie star big, you know, epic

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kind of movie for him, he then wanted to do
Psycho and bring it all like. He used his TV
crew from the show Alfred Dischcock Presents to film it,
and he it's it was very low budget. His reason
for doing Psycho is he'd seen all these kind of cheap,
scary movies come out and he said, and this is
kind of an egotistical quote, but he said, what if

(10:07):
somebody was really terrific made one of these movies referring
to himself, And that's how he ended up doing Psycho.
This is not an episode about Psycho, but Psycho is,
I would say, is what people mostly know, and that is,
you know, one of the very first slasher movies, or
at least his credit would be one of the first slashers.
And then The Birds is known as being, you know,
one of the first scary nature gone wrong on like

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Jaws would be compared to The Birds later, but those
were actually the ones that I would say moved him
into that to the horror reputation, which is not what
he was before. It was more suspense and espionage and
thrillers and definitely murder. I mean the tone was always
bleak and there's always death.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
He's not doing any rom coms.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
No, he certainly has some romance, but and definitely has comedy.
But someone's always dead, at least in the first twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Got to right, someone's got to be dead in a
Hitchcong movie quickly. And again, this is not a podcast
about Psycho, but that's almost what was interesting about Psycho
is here you have this like lead character, the protagonist,
and then all of the you know, they're dead yep,
like an hour in Yeah, wait, what what are you? What?

(11:27):
You know what I will say, as far as movies
like this go to bring it back to north By Northwest,
I am a fan of this genre, not this, not
normally I'm not saying spot thriller, but I like the
idea of this guy is mistaken identity and what the
hell now we're learning about this world through his eyes

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and we feel for him because that is i'd say,
on the list of fears that I have and I
don't know about you, like, mistaken identity or wrongfully accused
is like way up there. It's really high of like,
oh my gosh, you know you're you're frame for murder
or whatever. Somebody points you out in the lineup and

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you're like, wait a minute, I didn't do it. I
was just participating in this lineup. Like that actually kind
of frightened it.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, well, my fear slightly similar. But I have a
very common name, and I am very fortunate that so far,
knock on Wood, nobody named Jeffsmith. I'm not worried about
me doing something bad, but I'm certainly worried about one
of the other hundreds of thousands of Jeff Smith's doing
something terrible and now I have to change my name

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because some jackass decided to kill somebody or do something stupid.
So I'm worried about like the uh, the like the
Seinfeld episode of having the name of the killer and
having to change my name to OJ. So that's I
have more of that fear than me doing something wrong.
So all the Jefts Smiths out there, please just you're
doing fine. Just hang in there.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, And you know, it's funny like when somebody is
like really well known for something atrocious, right, that name
just goes away right now, you don't hear I've never
met another Orenthal or j Yeah, Adolph's right, I've never
met kill.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
It so speak.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, I mean I it's a reason why I don't
go by Jeffrey for sure, because there have been some
bad Jeffries, but none of them, yeah, Dahmer Epstein. They're
all kind of bad news, so I'll stay away from that.
But luckily none of them have been casual with their
the way they named themselves, or at least when they
get end up in the news, they don't say, oh

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that that crazy Jeff Epstein.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, no one calls him Jeff.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah. I'm lucky with the gold Blooms and the DJ
Jazzy's and and bridges and Bezels Bethels getting close, So
come on, bezos.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Teetering on that line, Okay, I say that when we
talk about this movie, we'll get into our categories here
in a moment.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But I don't even know if you like this movie yet.
This is where this is.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Do you want me to tell you now?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Oh? No, no, I mean, if you have a plan.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'll say the suspense for it. But what I wanted
to say, that's appropriate. Yes, what I wanted to say
was watching it, I realized why this film is referred
to as the first James Bond movie, Okay, because there's
so many things that really line up with classic James Bond.
I mean, first off, the title sequence, although it wasn't

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liked BONDI and as we know it today with a
lot of like you know, scantily clad ladies or what
have you, but just the very strong color palette choice
with the green like I've never even seen the MGM
logo with that green background.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I don't think it's been done before since Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Right, it was very stork and it stands out. And
the way that the movie's made and watching one of
the thoughts I had when watching the movie, I'm, wow,
this is nineteen fifty nine, you know this is this
is like I feel like really starting to push the
technological abilities of film from what talkies first started, what
in like the late early thirties, late twenties, early thirties,

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so we're not that far into that realm of really
still trying to figure out Now we have sound, we
have technicolor, right, like, we're really trying to figure out
how to shoot these movies and.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Enormous cameras still that take up the size of a Volkswagen.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, and what I thought was really interesting, So let
me start with that, so that I felt the Bondian DNA.
So I felt the big set pieces, the sprawling locations,
and one thing in particular it stood out like crazy
to me as a Bond fan. One of the things

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that I love about Bond movies is Bond normally at
some point, I feel like almost each and every Bond,
almost every one of them, finds themselves on a train
at some point. Even Daniel Craig, like in multiple films,
not just one, Like, he finds himself on a train
multiple times, and it's such a Bond trope for Bond fans.

(16:19):
We go, ah, here's the train scene, Like something else
is gonna happen in the train scene and the train
sequence in north By Northwest, I was like, wait a minute,
is this what every Bond train scene is based on?
Because one of my favorite Bond films is Casino Royale.
Have you seen Did you see Casino Royale? Okay, so
Casino Royale is one of the best, It's top five.

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It's one of the best Bond movies, mainly because of
Eva Green, who plays vesper Lin in the movie, and
This is Daniel Craig's first Bond. This is Eva Green
like throwing ninety nine, right, I mean just smoking, but
also phenomenal actress, like acting her ass off in it.

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And they have this great flirtation and dance and she's
a kind of a double agent ish not double agent,
a jail Let me not like go too far into it,
but like she's well, she's not all who she seems
to be. I'll say it that way. And that's kind
of what we get here in the train scene with

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Eva Marie Saint in her character Eve Kendall, and it
felt so bondiing to me. And then the other thing
is Carrie Grant, who's probably what when this movie's out.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Fifty I have that hold on.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Fifties. Okay, yeah, he was in his fifties but still
a handsome sort of a gun oh like in his fifties,
and you could understand why they wanted him for James Bond.
Like at first, Kubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman, who the
producer is a Bond uh, they were having conversations about
who should play Bond and carry Grant was one of

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the names thrown around originally, and you see he's fifty five.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Damn, that's six years older than me. I don't feel
great about myself right about now.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
He looked phenomenal in this movie, so cool, so debonair.
Every every person suit in this movie was off the
charts awesome.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
And it fell that's funny. Even when he got dusty
on the way, they kept the dust in every scene,
even when he went to the auction, it was still dusty.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
God, he looked great. This looked great. And and so
so I see the DNA of Bond everywhere, and like, even, hey,
we're gonna go to a really recognizable location to the
world and we're gonna have some big action sequence on
this huge world stage. Bond's done it at places like
you know, the Eiffel Tower for example or whatever, and

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doing it at Mount Rushmore, Like you see all the
Bond traits here, and I thought that that was really
really cool. And this movie comes out three years before
Doctor No. And you see like the producers go, hey,
you know, like everything that worked in north By Northwest, Yay,
let's just like you use that?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah? Why not?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah for sure? Now now here let me ask you this,
yes from Hitchcock, what stood out to me from Hitchcock
not having a full you know, uh understanding of everything Hitchcock.
I found myself when I was watching it, go, wow,
what an interesting shot, Like why would you shoot it
that way? Like that's like I would never Like there's

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a scene where I think he's leaving the United Nations,
where he's leaving the UN.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Oh yeah, way up top up top, Yeah, I go
that's interesting, Like whose point of view is that?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, what is the purpose of that? But I found
it engaging, Like I don't know if is that kind
of a signature of his life.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
He does like the God shot, that's for sure. I
don't know why God's looking down at him in that
scene in particular, but it's after he is he grabs
a knife red out of a guy's back, even though
he didn't.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Actually kill him.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
But yeah, it's definitely just I think those are kind
of the shots of isolation as well. It's it's the
areas again, he's all by himself. He went to go
get help. In that scene, he was trying to find
I'm sure I say this almost every episode of Pick six,
but I hope you've all seen North Northwest. He's trying
to find George Kaplan. That's the whole thing. He's mistaken

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for this secret agent and now he's trying to find
the agent so he can say, so George Kaplan can say,
this guy Carry Grant, Roger Thornhill is not me. And
the guy has no idea what he's talking about. Oh,
he thought he was the owner of the house that
he gets kidnapped James Mason, and uh because he's a
member of the United Nations. And then he gets killed

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immediately on the floor with a knife thrown to his back.
And then Carrie Grant takes the knife out of his back,
grabs he gets his fingerprints all over it, and uh
runs away and runs out of the United Nations and
we see God look down at him in a matte painting. Right. Yeah,
he's a yeah, he likes to do camera tricks. That

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then Alfred Hitchcock, he's a fan. He's uh the movie
right before this vertigo. He's the one that basically created
the the the shot that is famous in Jaws where
the camera moves for zooms while the camera pulls back
and it's the racko what's it called? Not rack focus,

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but it's like the movie Dolly or something like that.
Use that in vertigo, So he loves he loves his
camera tricks.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, that's also just showing you know, how they still
figuring out. I mean, I guess they still aren't to
this day, but they're always figuring things out. But just
I feel like innovators, that's what I'm looking I'm looking
for it. Just I feel like Hitchcock's probably one of
those guys who's so innovative, and that's why his name

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and some of these films have stood the test of
time due to that innovation, the ability to bill, suspend,
so on and so forth.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, some say gimmicky. Before this, he made a movie
called Rope that was supposed to be the very first
movie without cuts. But it was a time where film
reels or film you know that they used to film
on was can only film ten minutes at a time.
So he would film ten minutes of a scene. It
all took place in one apartment, and then he would

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zoom in on somebody's back.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Or he'd zoom in on something to hide. That's how
he hid the cut.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
It was way before Birdman where they could do the
digital swoops and things to hide the cuts. But so
he was always trying to do like little some naysayers,
we'll call it gimmicky, but yeah, I always trying to
do something interesting with the camera for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Well, I think we've we've kind of gone through some
of our highlights of this movie. I think we're going
to get into some more of them. I think when
we go into the scene, our categories, right, are you
ready to go into some categories? Okay, first time we
got the scene Steeler. Now I feel like it's too
obvious to say carry Grant as a Steeler.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
He is basically the the character. We watched the entire
movie very.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Much the whole time he's there. So I'm actually gonna
go with Evn Marie Saint. Okay, gosh, she's gorgeous. She
What I love is that she's not just gorgeous, which
would be really easy to do in these movies, is
just like, here's his beautiful blonde, but she's like calculating.
She seems like she's always ahead of everybody, including mister

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Thornhill or mister Kaplan. And and I just I love
that that train sequence so awesome. And then I don't know,
I just really loved what she brought to this role.
And and and she kind of stole the movie for
me in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, I'll be boring. I'll say Cary Grant just because
it is. Although, well, I'll get to my other favorite character.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
When we get to the the cameo question.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Oh okay, okay, but I'll go carry Grant. Okay, I
have an interest. I think I might know where you're
going with the maybe maybe maybe not.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Write it down and then show me.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Uh, I don't have a kid, but okay, don't worry
about it. Maybe I'm not. Maybe it's maybe I'm way
far off. The big moment of the movie. Uh, Like,
how is it not like a like a huge moment
of the film, Like, how is it not? Uh?

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Crop Duster?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, crop Duster is great with people. You know anything
about north By Northwest. I think they think of that
image more than they even think of Mount Rushmore. I
think I think that's the image they used on a
lot of DVD and VHS artwork. It's him running away
from the crop duster. It's a pretty famous scene. It's
one of the moments that Hitchcock like to do. He

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had probably one of the greatest composers of all time,
Bernard Herman, who did a lot of his movies. That's
another one of the common threads of this movie without
the Hitchcock movies. Bernard Herman's score, which you mentioned the
beginning of the movie kicks off with the green and
then just that score. That doesn't this movie just doesn't.

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You don't ease into north by Northwest. It goes and
it's one of the best themes in Hitchcock movies. But
the crop duster scene no music at all. It is
completely silent. And the whole idea of making this movie
is this is also a rare thing with Hitchcock. It's
not based on a book, and a lot of his
movies were, and this one is all original and he

(25:55):
wrote with came up with the writer where he just said,
these are the kind of scenes I want to do,
and then make the story around that. And he wanted
to do a scene in daylight in the middle of
nowhere where the killer somehow was able to jump out
with an unusual weapon and he does it in the
middle of a cornfield in the middle of the day,
gets dropped off by a bus by himself. There's one

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other guy out there for a second who maybe my
second place favorite cameo guy because he just says cropping
dust or he's yeah, he's the dust and crops or
they ain't no crops, and just points out that the
crop duster plane is flying around in a weird area,
and then he takes off on his bus care grants
by himself, and then the plane tries to attack him.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Well, I will say, and I can actually kind of
combine this with another category real quick, because it's in
my it's in my plot hole parade here a little bit, okay, right,
because I didn't know that I knew this scene right
because I had seen clips of the crop duster scene
before and I was like, oh, this is what moved Okay, cool, cool, cool,

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But like when you watch it in context of the movie,
they didn't seem like so convenient in a lot of ways,
like that he's there at the perfect time for them
to Why.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Does a bus why is that a bus stop? Who
before him or after him has ever gotten off on
a bus? And why was that man beforehand who says
that line getting picked out? He was in a car,
he gets dropped off at the unmarked bus stop.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
In the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well to the point I would saying before the idea
for the scene was written before you know the story,
so it was kind of like, how do you make
it work?

Speaker 4 (27:45):
All right?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
So he will be placed there by the double agent
who says he want, you know, the real George Cathlan,
wants to meet you out there, and gives these odd
coordinates on where to go, where to get off the bus,
and then that's where the bad guys with the plane
are already waiting for him. But then, yeah, it's one

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of those elaborate Arry James Bond things where you know
you could have well, one of my plot holes we'll
get to the end, is why didn't you just kill
him in the first scene in the in the library
because there be no movie. That's the only reason to
go through the elaborate My favorite scene, which is not
Crop Duster, it is actually them getting carry Grant drunk

(28:31):
to stage a car crash, so they pour bourbon down
his throat. We can go back to crop Dust in
a second, but we've segued down to mind. They pour
bourbon down his throat and put him a convertible and
say drive on this big cliff with hills and this windy,
windy road, and then the bad guys kind of follow

(28:52):
and make sure that it works, and it doesn't. He
drives just fine, and then it gets pulled gets pulled
over by greg Old police and I asked to call
his mother to come pick him up because he's drunk. Well,
but that scene where he's driving on on the cliff,
it's suspenseful, but it's like talking with the fifties drunk

(29:14):
at data, where you know they're like, oh, what's coming
on here? You know, very Jack Sparrow later in life. Yeah,
I think it's it's so funny and suspenseful at the
same time. And it's one of the very first scenes too,
and that team does have the Bernard Hermann score going
crazy while he's driving down that hill. You get the
full on North on Earthwest theme the entire time.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, so it's I'm so glad you brought up the
drunk driving thing because to me that was another thing
that stood out as like, oh, this is another kind
of bond thing in these in this sense. Do you
remember was it was it the spy who shagged me?
Maybe the Austin Powers trilogy. In the Powers trilogy, there's

(30:00):
a scene where like doctor Evil's going and we're going
to drop you in the vat of the with the
sharks with the laser, you know, or some kind of thing, right,
I don't remember exactly. And then Seth Green's character goes,
just give me a gun and I'll shoot him in
the head right now.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Got a gun in my room. I will go get it.
It will shoot him together.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
And it's like, just kill him.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I didn't go to evil medical school.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, it's through uh you know. Like and like there's
a scene in Goldfinger right where this is a famous
scene too. I don't know if you've seen gold.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Did you see?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Okay, same fantas scene where he's he's, uh, I know
about Operation grind Slam Goldfinger, you know, and he's like
two words that you must not you know whatever, and
he has him strapped to the table and he goes,
do you expect me to talk now, mister Bond, I
expect you to die? Right, But he just walks away
and leaves him with the laser going up.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Thingsly, going up the table to get him the crotch, right,
very slowly.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's just it was it was so funny like that
the drunk driving scene reminded me of that. It's like
you could or you could just kill him.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, he could be done right now.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
And I have a feeling they imply that there are
other George Kaplan esque agents that they have taken out before,
Roger Thornhill carry Grant, so they've done it before, but
this one they just decided, you know what, what should
we do this time? Should we just shoot him?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, the other the other plot whole parade I had
on this is when they're in the hotel. He's first
getting into the hotel in Chicago, I think it is,
and he's talking to the hotel staff, right, and he's like,
when did you first meet me? And you know, and
she's like a couple of minutes ago in the hallway,
don't you remember it was?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
And and it's and then he does the same thing
with I guess it is it the bell hop or
the yeah the guy comes.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
To return his suit I think, or something like that.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's hotel staff because they, yeah, their little thing that
they do is to make him look real, like a
real agent. They do up his hotel room and put
a suit in the room and have him check in
and call down to the front desk a lot. So
somebody else from the agency has gone into the hotel,

(32:23):
but I'm detected.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I do. Yeah. So I mean to me, though, when
Carry Grant does that, shouldn't that be like red flags
to the hotel staff, like something's wrong with this guy?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yea, so it was a different time. I have worked
for a hotel for a little bit, and that certainly
would have been like, like, what kind of questions does
this guy ask?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Haven't you seen me before?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah? Yes, it is way too small for you.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
What's funny is when I think of Carry Grant and again,
this is an age of cinema that I like, but
I haven't like just jumped into full throated like what
I like about Carry. When I think about Carry Grant
is I think about, oh, this is the quintessential like
American movie star leading man of his day, right, you

(33:12):
know you think of names like him, You think of, oh,
who's the other one, Rock Hudson, Uh, you know people
of that, of that ilk And And I didn't know
that Carry Grant was not born in the United States.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Like I didn't know that Carry Grant is not even
his real name.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah. Yeah, these are things that I found out because
I was like, Cary Grant, what a phenomenal name? And
then you're like, your name is Archibald Leech, Archie Leach,
Like no wonder you went to carry yo a starring
in north By, Northwest Wachable Leech, you know, but like

(33:52):
it's just one of those like him. Hudson Bogart, right,
Humphrey Bogart is an era a little bit before this time,
but like in the same kind of right part. But anyway,
like when Carrie was talking and delivering his lines, it

(34:12):
reminds me of like movies all from this era, I say,
from the thirties to the fifties into the sixties, American
quote unquotes still have a very British way of talking.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's like not full on British accent, but it's the
it's very theatrical. It's the way the Romans for some
reason used to speak in movies back then. Yeah, they
would all kind of have a foe English accent. Yeah,
he's definitely he's an advertising man from New York. But
he has like it's not yeah, well carry Grant. He's

(34:48):
like an english Man who doesn't speak like any Englishman.
It's like the Kennedys don't speak like anybody else from Massachusetts.
No one has that Kennedy accent. It's very unique just
to them, so it's like they come from another planet
and that's the way they think we talk here.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
It's interesting his accent. I mean movies in general, but
like his is specifically. It's like it's not British but
it is, but it's not.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
You know, like what Madonna sometimes does.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yes, or or the aforementioned Johnny Depp. I think there's
a period in John Yeah Land where he just was
j yeah, Okay, let's go to the prop shop. What
are you taking?

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Okay, all right, let me find my prop shot?

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Am I jumping around?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
No? Well, I had my notes on my phone and
then little by the curtain everybody, I had to switch
from laptop to phone for the recording, and so now
I'm looking at my laptop trying to find where I
had that pop shot. Okay, So at first I thought, oh,
how cool would.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Be to have one of his match books with the
rot on it. That would be gray.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I'm sure there's an Etsy store that has it. And
by the look on you falling into your chair, I'm
guessing that is what you are going to pick. But
that is not what I'm going to pick. But I'm
going to pick something from Van Dam's wonderful giant mansion
that somehow sits right next to the top of Mount Rushmore,

(36:25):
which if we go back to plot whole parade, we'll
be mentioning to that place. And how there is a
house in the middle of nowhere at a park right
on top of Mount Rushmore. He has a chair in
that house that looks like an abominable snowman was shaved
and may It's just this very hairy white chair that
probably if you spilled on it would be ruined and

(36:45):
probably isn't even comfortable. It looks like the snowman from
the Mad Horn at Disneyland. I think that's what I
would take from his modernist home. Van Dam's abominable Snowman
chair is my prop from north By Northwest.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
First of all, Van Dam, Band Damn and Martin Lando Again.
Martinlando has been in two for two of my pick
six choices. I don't know too many more of Martinlando
movies unless I do ed TV next time. I don't
know how I'm gonna keep that going.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, Landau, I was gonna point out Landau and yeah,
also immaculate suits, oh them, everybody in this movie has
great suits, so the suits was gonna be an obvious
one for me. So I wanted to go a different route,
and I did go with Thornhill's monogram matchbooks. Yeah, it
just looked awesome. I'm like, I cause you know what,

(37:37):
I see anybody to this day with a monogram to anything.
I go, this guy's got it figured out.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
You and I must travel in different circles, because I
don't think I've ever seen anybody what You've never.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Seen a monogram on the thing.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, No, If anybody I know in my life that
would have it, it'd be Brad Gilmore. I can't think
of anybody, and I'm sure you probably placed an order
maybe after watching this movie, I think, but it would
definitely be I could certainly see pro wrestlers doing it too,
if that were their Their character doesn't book to booker
have anything monogrammed.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I'm sure he does, Yeah, and he.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Would, and he could pull it off. I think some
people can pull it off where it's not she.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Do She's the right word, right, yeah, because it's hard
to it. It's hard to walk that line.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, because that's when Yeah, if you're somebody that doesn't
pull it off, you think, well, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I think if you have monogrammed anything, especially if it's
like sleeves, because that's a big thing. Right, you monogrammed
the bottom of your cuff.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
But why do you do that?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I guess flame it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Someone gonna take your shirt and then go, oh wait,
look at the sleeve.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
So I'm about to put you on a little little
suit history here. Do you know? Do you know what anlogy?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I can already tell you whatever when you say the
category of suit, and do you know the answer will
be now?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
So you never heard of a surgeon's cuff? H?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Okay? So in a suit, you know how at the
bottom of the jacket there's like those little buttons. Yeah,
right on your sleeve of the jacket. Right. Really, they're
made just kind of for show. There's no real function purpose.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
You don't unbutton them.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
You don't unbutton them, right, Do.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
They actually button on? Some I think I've had a
suit that had those, but it was just sewn on.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
They're all sewn on. They never really have any real right,
just a look.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
It doesn't fasten anything.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
However, there's a particular style that's called a surgeon's cuff
where the last button will have a different threading around it,
different color threading than the other buttons. And it actually
is a functional use, right, you can actually unbutton it.
The only purpose that I have now they call it

(39:57):
a surgeon's cuff because you can unbutton it and roll
the sleep and then as.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Your surgery surgery.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Now, the only reason that I know that people have
ever gotten a surgeon's cuff on their suit is to
show that it's a custom suit because you have to get.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh you don't go to men's warehouse and get a
surgeon's cuff.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Right right, Yeah, So that's what I've I've known of it.
So the between the monograms and the surgeon's cuff, that's
another level of suit game that you have.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
How many suits do you have, Brad Gilmour with a
surgeon's cuff?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I don't have a surgeon's cuff.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
WHOA, Yeah, we're not there yet, you know. But here's
the thing, Come on, listeners, get Brad make this podcast
successful enough that Brad Can's.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Not a matter of can. I just I just don't
know if I like the look of it.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Ooh, that's that's even bigger flex Like, it's not that
I can't. I just this super swanky suit.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Don't like it? Yeah, don't want it?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Not for me, good for all of you that do it.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes, it's the only time that I think that I
would use the word bespoke to describe like a suit
is like oh, or you know, it's very bespoke, right. Anyhow,
we got off on the on a tank is the props?

Speaker 4 (41:24):
This is good?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
But this prop shop? So yeah, I want the Monogram matchbook.
And I don't know. I'm not a I'm not a
smoker of any kind, but I would still like to
be like the guy who's like, oh, you need a light. Yeah, yeah,
I got the Monogram book, so that that'd be mine.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well, I'll admit, when I was watching the movie again,
I did go on and search to see if somebody
had made a custom rot, which, by the way, the
O stands for nothing if you remember viewers, it's just
he picked a sweet middle initial, so it's rot. But
I did go looking to see if someone had made it,

(41:57):
and I did find some images, but I don't I
didn't look long enough to see if you can actually
purchase one. But that would be a cool That's one
of those props. You could have on your shelf, for
on a table, and if someone sees it they don't know,
it's like, okay, yeah it's it's a matchbook. But if
you know, you go, oh, now we're friends.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah that's Stornhill. Baby, that's Thornhill. Yeah, which I actually
kind of like.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Thorn and it should have the message written on the
inside from the end.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, sure great.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I like Roger Thornhill's name more than Kaplan, George George Kaplan.
I feel like Roger Thornhill sounds cooler than George. It
should have been the way.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Thornhill, but I think Kaplin's supposed to kind of blend,
like maybe that kind of name shouldn't stand out so much.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Well, like James Bond, Right, that's the idea behind the
name James Bond. You don't want it to sound too
boom boom. Yeah. Okay, one liner legend. What do you have?
What do you have for this? I have two, really,
but I'll let you go first.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, So mine is I'm trying to find now the
whole thing because I wrote down foolishly the beginning of
it because it's kind of a long line. But I
think it deserves to be read in its entirety, and
it's when Carry Grant is talking to he doesn't the

(43:23):
guy doesn't have a name, but he's from the government
and he's trying to convince Carry Grant's character. I keep
calling him Kerry Grant because it's always just Carry Grant.
It's like a movie. If it's John Wayne, you don't
call him Ethan. Yeah, it's Carry Grant, but it's him
basically asking him to be George Kaplan and Cary Grant

(43:48):
is telling him why he should not do it, and
he says, I'm an advertising man, not a red herring.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I've got a.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Job, a secretary, a mother, two ex wives, and several
bartenders that depend upon me, and I don't intend to
disappoint them all by getting myself slightly killed. I like
the My favorite part is the two Xyves is interesting.
And then there's several bartenders that are depended upon him
if he stops, if he stops living, their bott will

(44:17):
go out of business. It's a good, you know, it's
a good character defining line. And they've used that line
even in old trailers back in the fifties. That was
in the trailer for north By Northwest to explain, that's
all you need to know. That's who your hero is
in the movie Guys, he's a mess. Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
It's interesting that that's the quote you went with, because
I also went with one that I felt was a
moment that that there was two. There was two, but
it really just told me who you Roger Thornhill was
like this character. The first one. The first one is

(44:55):
where he's you know, obviously talking to our fair lady
and he says, uh, I never discussed love on empty stomach, right,
Just just a great line, just like that line in general.
But the one that I really really liked was and
it's just I think it goes back to the way
that people used to speak, Like even the line that

(45:17):
you had just there.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I grant line, it should be fast. If it was
James Stewart, it would not have the same effect, right.
It's it's just a amatage, not a red hair.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Right when he says, not that I mind a slight
case of deduction now and then. But I have tickets
to the theater this.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Evening, the first show I was looking forward to.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
As a little extra.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Oh if it wasn't even a bad show like this
is one I wanted to see.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I wanted to go see that.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I think it is not like any other day like
go ahead abduction. But you picked you guys picked a
bad night.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I got tickets to the theater. I loved that lunch
so much.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Pretty good, Yeah, because it shows his character is pretty
He's a he can he's seen it all, which was
funny because he says later that his two wives, his
ex wives that I mentioned, divorced him because he lived
too dull a life. But it doesn't sound like he
lives a dull life. Although he is a mama's boy.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
He isn't very much a mother's boy. Yeah, very much
a mother mama's boy.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
And actually I'll use that as my segue into my
other favorite, my cameo character. It is his mother. I
don't know you were going to guess, but that's that's
who it is for me. Who were you thinking it
was going to be?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
You know who I thought you liked. I thought you
liked the well I don't. I don't know what the
name of the actor is, but the the auctioneer guy, I.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Do like the auctioneer.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
He's Okay, that's funny you would say that because he
is I just made a note about the auctioneer last
night because then I researched he was a Goldfinger kind
of he was the he's a voice of a radio newsman,
and the actor did a lot of voiceover stuff he
ended up doing like cartoons and stuff. But I did

(47:14):
like that the put off auctioneer. That's okay, you know
me bragil that you're you're pretty close because you know
I'm gonna go like, I can't. It can't be somebody.
It's not going to be bad damn too obvious unless
well I try not to be the obvious unless they
absolutely deserve it. But I think the the mother is

(47:36):
funny because she's just like, she's this isn't the first
time she's bailed her son out.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
I like when he's on the elevator.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
With the bad guys and she's like when he says
it's them, and she says, you're not really gonna kill
my son, are you?

Speaker 1 (47:51):
And but she.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Doesn't buy any of it, and she's I think she's delightful.
Her her name was Jesse Royce Landis, and in fact
she was eight years older than Carry grat eight.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Playing and his mother that's it.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Well, because he's supposed to be in his late thirties.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
In the movie, he says something about, yeah, that he's
in his late thirties, which, sure, I buy it.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I mean it looks great. Yeah, i'd say like mid forties.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
But yeah, yeah, that a hard like a hard thirty.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Like a hard yeah, like a like a like like
a nineteen fifty nine thirty. You know that's a different.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah, everybody looked older then, I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
You know, look, I'm almost.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Fifty and I'm wearing a hoodie and the baseball hat
and that's not how they dressed back then.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
But it's also like people eight different. I don't know
if we had this conversation on the show or not,
but I saw a thing recently where it was like, hey,
they had a picture Jennifer Lopez. Oh yeah, they were like,
Jennifer Lopez is older than b author. Rue McLachlan and
Betty White were the Golden Girls.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Wait what those memes are hilarious and depressing for me,
and they'll get you too eventually, Brad Geway, you're knocking
on the door, like you'll show the cast of Tears
and it'll say Reapprolman thirty eight. I got holy cow
no offenses, a real firman, but she always just I
saw that show when I was young, and they always

(49:17):
seemed like older. It's like when you think back to
I was recently thinking back to high school and thinking
about the teachers I used to be afraid of. They
are probably like five years older than me. They probably
just got out of college, the young ones, And here
I am listening to them, like, you guys don't know
anything either. You just went to college. You probably just
breezed by if you're at this school.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Speaking as a former public educator, I could.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, yeah, I can only imagine what now. Yeah, I create,
and you should write about that, because that would be
very interesting. I create all news stories about what they
were talking about with all of us and how gossipy
they probably were. Yeah, you know what, I'm sure you
all have opinions about all the students, just like we
all didn't want to oh that one.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Well, well, here's the thing. There's so many students that
you don't have an opinion on all of them, but
you have every teacher knows the same like five students.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Sure, you know, Usually it's not for a good reason.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Typically not unless they're like a superb academic.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, like Grease, Witherspoon and uh.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Uh dopted gorgeous, not doctupor Gorgi's election election.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So okay, let me continue my cameo king. I cheated
on this one. Okay, I cheated because I feel like, well,
that'd be a great one. I feel like it's a
part of the story, right. Always with Hitchcock is Hitchcock.
Oh put himself in all the movies. He has a cameo.
He has a cameo one of his best ones. I think, yeah, yeah,
so I feel like you have to go Hitchcock. And

(50:45):
you know what, I am so pro directors being in
the movie.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I like it depends on what they put themselves in.
I could have done without Quentin Tarantino's Australian accents.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Oh and Django and Django.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I think m nice Shyamalan gives his performances a little
too much glory than they need to be. I like cameos.
I like maybe a couple of lines. I think Kevin
Smith does fine as Sala Bob. I think he's smart
that he plays the part that has no lines.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Okay, that's a great point. I don't want too much
director in the movie. But like I enjoy I enjoy
like showing up for a second. I want to be
the kind of cameo if I were to direct the
movie towards like, hey, did you you know the guy
who came up and you know what did this? He
actually directed the movie. I don't want it to be

(51:44):
so obvious to where it's like, you know, Quentin pulp
fiction is good. Quentin pulp fiction is good, but it's
like it's a pretty meaty role, right, you know in
in the scene with with jewels and Jimmy. Yeah, So
I don't want that much, but I do like him.
I like So that's what I'm saying. I like Hitchcock.
It's like boom boom, he's there and he's going yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And at this point in his career, he was on
he had been doing the show. This is part of
the reason why Hitchcock became a brand. He was doing
a TV show called Alfred Hitchcock Presents, and he was
the host kind of Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone.
So everybody knew what he looked like. He also had
a very he stood out. I'll say he had a
unique look and so, but he always put himself as

(52:28):
in a cameo in his movies. And when he first
started doing it, it was during the Silent Era, and it
was when he didn't have enough actors to play background actors,
so to Phill Space and fortunately he's Phil Space. He
put himself in the movie and then he just kept
doing it and then people started to spot him because
he has that unique look. But what he had to

(52:49):
do at this point in his career, he had to
put the cameo early because people get distracted looking for him.
So the one in north but Northwest, which is so funny.
Write as his credit comes on and he misses a bus,
a bus the doors closed.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
On him and he doesn't get on the bus.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah. Yeah, So I liked I liked that Hitchcock is
in it, and I liked it that's a thing with him,
and I feel like we Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Would do that too. I'd like to be like an
audience member in a scene where if you look over
the oh, look that's him or a zombie in a
zombie movie or something like.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
That or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I enjoy it. Okay,
So this is a good this is is it true trivia?
And and to me this is a good one in general,
because it will let us talk about a certain storytelling
element that I want to get your opinion on. But
this is is this true trivia? This is a carry.
Grant allegedly thought the plot was so confusing during the

(53:45):
movie that he told Hitchcock, I can't make heads or
tails of it, right, I don't know. I don't know
what's going on. And I think that the writer of
the movie also didn't know what was going to be
happening from scene to scene, like he was just writing
and then it's like, oh, what if they go here?
And then oh, and then we can do that the
crop duster thing that you brought up, and the movie

(54:07):
does kind of feel like, hey, here's some ideas, right,
let's string them together, figure it out.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I believe that's true. I think that's how this one.
The writer is named Ernest Lehman, who also wrote The
King and I and West Side Story and the Sound
of Music so musicals and also Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf.
I think that was. Yeah. The assignment was, here's twelve
scenes that were gonna do, or twelve locations or I

(54:37):
wanted to be on train and I want them to
end up here at some point, and his job as
the writer was to fill in the how. And it
can be super successful or it can be like the
crop dust really like, eh, this seems very convenient. The
other I mean, we might as well just do all

(54:58):
the plot holes here too, because I think those kind
of go hand a hand with this.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
The other one I have is, of.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Course that somehow there's a mansion in a little park
on top of Mount Rushmore that a plane is able
to land on and nobody notices. A little convenient that
they run from the house with an airport and in
about a good for Mississippi, they're already on top of

(55:22):
the monument with no security and even then I don't
expect surveillance cameras or infra red but at least maybe
a guard sitting in a director's chair, like just waiting
to maybe a sleep. That would be kind of interesting.
There's a security guard a sleep, that's all this is happening.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
That'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
And they run all over the monument and he just sleeps.
So yeah, I think they had to the ernest layman
had to just kind of put the puzzle together. I
do think a lot of times in the fifties some
of those kind of behind the scenes stories, like genently
going back to cycle famously said it and I never took.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
A shower again.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Right, Really, it was a movie, and you probably were
filming that scene for a few days, and you knew
that I was an actor that came with a fake
knife and chocolate syrup that went down the you you
were so traumatized by filming that that now you can
only take baths. I don't know it's a good story.
I do think sometimes actors do make movies that the

(56:28):
plot confuses them.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I haven't read the screenplay of this, but the script
may have been like kind of all over the place.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
And if you're you're the kind of reader that just
kind of peruses, maybe you would miss little details and think, wait,
why are we Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Why did he run the out Mount Rushmore? He's been
chased from New York and to get away, He's like,
here's where I'll go.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Yeah, it auction, It auctions, eh auction, And I'll make
a big scene so i can escape, and I'll be
mad at the blonde for being a flu who James
Bason gets jealous about.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Flosi is a great word.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Mister Chaplin, your next performance will be quite convincing. So
many actors in this that are fun to to.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yes, let me ask you this from a from a
director point of view because you've directed films, but also
from a screenwriting and storytelling perspective. So I know the
term and I and I did not know that it
was a hitchcocky and term. But the mcguffin McGuff yeah,

(57:40):
the thing. And I read this great line about Hitchcock
when he was talking about explaining the mcguffin, like he
talked about this quite frequently, and he would say that
the mcguffin is the thing everyone in the movie cares about,
but the audience doesn't really need to.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Yeah, right, it's anything.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
It's just everyone's getting the microphil. Actually there is in this,
but it's usually the cliche that people say the suitcase
with the microphilm but it could be the suitcase in
pulp fiction, or we don't know what's what's in there
and it doesn't matter. I mean, that's the ultimate like
McGuff and it's like we don't even need to tell
you what it is because who cares. But yeah, it's

(58:17):
anything that that everybody's chasing after. It could be the
Lost Arc, it can be all the stupid things they're
trying to get in the Rise of Skywalker.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
The Almanac.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah, oh sure, Well almanac kind of serves a purpose,
a purpose that's for plot.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It's not like, yeah, you know what, Yeah, that's a
bad example.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I'm trying to think of. There's a back to the
future one, but not really because the train is necessary
kind of but it could have just waited. But yeah, yeah,
I can't think of one.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
That one nowhere.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, don't start editing this podcast. No, that's this is
what the people like. But yeah, well I think we
said enough examples. But yeah, I think people now know
the term mcguffin. In fact, the AMC theater chain, their
little bar off to the side is called mcguffins, is
it really yeah, which I think is a clever little
movie insider name, but doesn't apply to a movie theater

(59:23):
bar very well.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
But that's fine, but also sounds like a public and
Irish Pope muffins.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Mcguffins.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Well, like, I just did a list here here's here
are some of the well known mcguffins in movie history.
Are you ready to hear them. Yes, yes, so you're
ready to hear the mcguffins. So the Stolen Money in Psycho, sure,
the micro film in north By Northwest. Hey, the Briefcase
in pulp fiction. We already got to all these, The

(59:54):
Covenant from Raiders.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Well you've just nailed them.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah, the one Ring from Lord of the Ring. I
I could see that it could be anything, I guess yeah. Uh,
the Rosebud and Citizen Kane. Yeah, the Rabbit's Foot and
Mission Impossible three. I don't recall that one, okay. Uh,
the Unobtainingum and Avatar worst name for an element ever,

(01:00:20):
by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, yeah, that was. That's felt like a placeholder, like
what should we call it? Just put it's this and
then we'll change it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
And the Rise of Skywalker. Uh, the literally the thing
that's gonna help them find where they need to go
is called the Wayfinder. Yeah, a lot of time, and
speaking of Star Wars, the plans for the Death Star

(01:00:48):
and Original Star Wars. So there you go. Interesting, let's go, Okay,
we're gonna we're gonna breathe through some of these last
ones because I know Jeff is attending a very important
event here momentarily, all right, I want to give you
monogram Absertion's cuffs already.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
This is an important event.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, okay, okay, movie better with Jack Nicholson or Denzel Washington?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I put a lot of thought on this one, and
I'm gonna cheat because I'm going to put both of
them in the movie. But they're not playing the same part,
and it should be very obvious. Denzel is definitely Thornhill, yes,
and Nicholson is Van Damn Damn God.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
And it would be fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
What a great idea so I had? I had, of
course Denzel playing Yeah, can.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
You imagine Nicholson like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
He he wouldn't stand for it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
He'd get out of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
He'd find a way to get out of that car
in the beginning to go what do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Do you know what? You could really switch them either
way too, Like I could see Denzel is Van Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Well, that would be I guess that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
We went the obvious, but why not?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Why not do neighbors like when Dan Aykroyd played the
wild one and John Belushi played the uptight guy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
That was their kind of version of playing against type.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
So never discussed love on an empty stomach.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I am an advertiser. I don't know. I can't.
I can't do without being care Grant. But that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Case of abduction. I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Yeah, I gotta get to the Laker game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
That'd be a great update there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Let's see to a game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
I was looking forward to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I was looking forward to you go to all of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Them, that's where they would have picked them up. Well,
they didn't know it was Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
So timeline peak of their powers. Uh, yes, I feel
like I feel like this is yes. For Kerry Grant,
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
It was pretty much downhill from here, looking at his
his career post north point Northwest, this was this is
it for him as far as let me see I did.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
I wrote those down too. But he a cock, No
but close.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I feel like it is peak of his powers for Hitchcock, right,
Psycho net so Psycho's peak.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I think Psycho it's peak.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Okay, okay, I can go for that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
And then The Birds because it was that was a
big hit and that changed movies. That changed the way
people saw movies. The big advertising campaign for Psycho was
you can't we won't let you in. After it starts
before people just kind of roll into movies whenever, and
then they would stay for the next showing to see
what they missed. And he said, no, you can't get
in until once the movie starts, and made the theater

(01:03:44):
and the theaters that give us a big controversy. Audiences
were mad, how dare you tell me when I can
walk into a theater? But it was a big deal,
so I think it's close to peak. But yeah, Krry Grant.
His movies after this were just kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Let's see. Oh I love this one because I think
I have a decent answer for it. Replace what actor
from SNL Sinefeld, Tarantino or pro wrestling, So go ahead,
I'm replacing Eve Kendall with Uma Thurmott okay, or even
Maria with Uma Thurmott Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
On Blombshell, we still kind of are there. Can play
the spy badass type if needed to, if we want
to rough it up a little bit. But very beautiful,
very like you know peekle for powers. Who do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Well? When I first saw the SNL list, her name
is uh Chloe Fineman. She's on the cast right now.
She kind of looks like Ivan Marisaint so I thought
that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
But on the backup one too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Go ahead, because I'm scrolling through my notes trying to
find what I wrote.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I think you replace it. You replaced Dow's character m
with Steve Busimi.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Ooh yeah for the one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah. Can you imagine him like lurking around a cornfield
and talking about secret plans and all that stuff. You know,
I feel like Landau and Bussimmi kind of also hold
a similar physical appearance in some ways.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Okay, here's what I had. So I decided I was
going to pick someone from each of those. So someone
from SNL, someone from Tarantino, and someone from Seinfeld. I
did not do Oh, I did do a pro wrestler. Oh,
I didn't do a pro wrestler Bruce Barber Beefkack. Okay,
so as the auctionaire love it. Sorry, I didn't get

(01:05:45):
that one. So Chloe Feynman because she could looks like
even Murray Saint is even Murray Saint. The Tarantino replacement,
I put Christoph Waltz as van Dam that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
And then for Seinfeld swap, I put Roger's mother replaced
by Stelle Harris Stelle Costanza George's mom.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
As his as his mother.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Okay, so look, let me play that game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I go out for a quart of milk and you
get abducted.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
And I come home and you're treating your body like
an amusement.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Bomb Roger, I'm hungry. Hang on, Bomb, hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
You don't know anything about bras. I know a little. Hey,
you got the A, you got the B. You got
to see, then you got the D. That's the biggest. Okay,
let me play this game. Then, okay, i'd Steve Simmy,
so that's why Tarantino. Yeah, or pro wrestling. Okay, I'm
gonna stick with you, Maurice Saint Blonde. Bomb show him
to go with christ.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Ratis Okay, I definitely know who that is. You should
I do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
You? Should I do a heterosexual male?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
I know?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Okay. And then let's see for Seinfeld. Okay, I'm gonna
replace Van dam with Wayne Knight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Excellent, and then uh is hot in here, mister Thornhill.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Actually I'm quite comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Here we go. For SNL. I'm replacing Carry Grant with
Eddie Murphy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Okay, because yeah, he can he can do meek bow finger. Uh,
he can do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Thornhill because I just feel like Eddie looks great in
a suit, great in suit, and you know, can pull
off some of these lines. Yeah, like normally I like,
you know, to talk about empty stuff, you know, or whatever.
You know, he can pull him off. I like him.
I like Eddie as Thornhill.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, I'm thinking like a suited version of his character
in The Golden Child because he was kind of put
upon in that movie as well and had to kind
of rise to the occasion again, but then had a
funny little quip about everything that was happening as there
was a gentleman there. Yeah, sake a gentleman.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Do you know who directed that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Mister Jonathan directed?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Clue, We're back everybody. Clue podcasting still still doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Okay, So for change the genre, yes, rom com Yeah, planes,
trains and crop dusters. Oh right, Thornhill and Eve they
meet on the train. They dodged death and then you
know they like from up around the country and end
up He proposes tour in Lincoln's nose. On Lincoln's nose.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
I like it. What do you pay?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
I've got? Oh, mine was pretty simple. I was going
to do just turn into a Western do you still
have the train, you still have Uh, it just doesn't
have to be on Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
But everything could be. I mean, I I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
In my brain because I just watched Tombstone and so
I was thinking Westerns for sure, and then but I
also kind of was to toying around with doing it.
I came up with a way to do it with
the Marx Brothers, but that is, we're trying to forget
a younger demo here, so maybe Marx Brothers isn't necessarily
the way to go. But it would be fun to

(01:09:24):
see Groucho as Thornhill, and then Chicko and Harpo could
be like the thugs that are chasing after him, and
there could be a song and all that good stuff.
But I think it definitely could be done very easily
as a Western.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
I no playing, but you know something else.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I like that though. If this movie had a nineties
in credit song, yes, who would sing? It would be
the chorus I have I feel like my best answer
to this question so far.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Okay, great, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Gonna have a song called wrong Place, Wrong Time. Oh okay,
you're gonna be saying by boys to men, Yes, okay,
And here's how the hook goes north, south, east or west,
running from spies and looking my best wrong place, wrong time,

(01:10:23):
wrong name, but still found love just the same.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Thank you. It's pretty nice what you got Boys to men?
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
So my version is also nineties, also a ballad, and
it would be done in the style of I Don't
Want to Miss a Thing by Aerosmith from arbat Geddon,
so very similar in style where it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
You know, it's about just being on the run, and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
As I scroll through, I'm not finding finding your lyrics.
I'm not finding my lyrics. I have lyrics.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
No, I'm gonna find them, but we can talk while
I search.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Well, I mean, that's really an old time record for
a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
It was only number one songs. That's their only number
one So only one that hit number one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Wow, yeah sweet emotion.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
No, no, they never hit number one. Those are the classics,
and it's it's kind of the reason why Aerosmith purists
hate it because it wasn't written by the band. It
was written by Diane Warren, who writes a lot of
those kind of songs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Oh, I found it, I found it, okay, Uh, it's
called I Won't Let You Fall.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I won't let you fall, and the sample lyrics are
you were there when no one even knew my name. Woo,
you helped me when I needed to get away. Oh
come on now, now you're dangling, hopeless and feeling alone.

(01:12:04):
But I see you, baby, and I won't let you go.
I'll reach out my arm and girl through it all,
I'll pull you close and I won't let you fall.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Oh look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Get the band back together.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
You still can do it. You have time. Everyone's still alive, kind.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Of kind of yeah, come on, Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Yeah, and I'll hang on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I think Steven Tyler's voice is finally gone.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
But is it going well? They had to cancel the
last tour.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Oh that's a shame.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
We're going to miss some things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
A couple best use of food or drink. I feel
like it's the the when they're sitting in the train
and they're sitting there and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, you would like that staying yeah, very shwinky, yeah,
I think, and bourbon drunk driving.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Oh yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
No, I'm taking No, that's okay, No, I don't see
I not to say that I put one x her
thought in it. Then you did. But of course that's
the first thought is they have this seductive dinner where
she suggests is what he orders and he gets it,
and then he says the line that you mentioned, I
can't I can't make love stomach.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
So I'm yes, but yeah, Burbon, that's a good one. Okay,
I'm gonna go the I'm gonna go home and sleep
with my wife. Award for who won the movie? I
mean my pin and carry grant suit won the movie.
I mean battle test.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Bulletproof, proof, seductionroof. Come on, Dan, did it it got dusty?
But did it ever tear?

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
No? No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Yeah, it's durable. Yeah. What kind of suit was it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Teflon baby, we should all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
It's kind of like when they talk about in the future,
will I'll be wearing one kind of suit?

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
That should be it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Not the gray like silver suit that they always say
we're gonna be wearing. Yes, yes, fancy George cap No,
Roger Thornhill. Kind of bluish gray.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Yes, very beautiful, very beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Who do you got.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
A carry? Gran? I mean, I'll put you you name
the suit. I'll say the name of the guy in
the suit. It's tough to it's his movie. He owns
it from the beginning to the end, and even when
he gets his heartbroken and he's sad, he's he's tough
man like he gives it to her to that auction
scene where he decides that she's like, he doesn't like
to be bamboozled this one fan, even though he's an

(01:14:33):
advertising and he says, there's no such thing as a lie.
There's just a case of exaggeration, yes, which is a
wonderful early line of the character. And that's kind of
what happens to him, and but he gets buttered about it.
But still, yeah, he knows how to make Van Damn
jealous by all the things he says. That's Van Dam's kryptonite,

(01:14:57):
right there, ladies man, especially those cool blondes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Gotta love the blonde man. Uh, Marty, something's got to
be done about your kids. Award for what happens the
next day. I just feel like I just feel like,
not just the next day, but the next year's mor nil.
Constantly we'll say, I ever tell you about that time
that I was fine.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Oh, he's gonna he's gonna use that story for the
rest of his life.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah, that's the story, or or like I would tell
you about the time that I traped across the stone
facade of Mountain fresh Wall.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Like, uh, so I decided for what happens next to
write a pitch for the sequel Let's Go, And it
is called South by Southeast. Yeah, and it is two
years later Roger and e Eve Thornhill.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Married.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
They did get married, and now they live with Roger's mother.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
In New York.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And they decided they're going to go on a belated
honeymoon to Austin, Texas. And I thought you that. And unfortunately,
while they're on their road.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Trip, Eve is mistaken.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
For a covert courier and supposedly someone who is smuggling
a type secret. Who cares, I'm a guffin. They can
come up with later and it could taste it. Basically,
it's like a list of double agents and their real names.
Sure why not? And so Eve was kidnapped and Roger

(01:16:49):
now must be on the run to find her while
having a baby strapped to his back. He's got to
take his little baby with him, little George. And because
we really don't see what happens to at the end,
he uh brings on van Dam to assist because van

(01:17:12):
Dam knows the people that kidnap be Eve, so Roger
baby George van dam All raced to Austin to save Eve.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
And the finale it takes place at the Alamo.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Love love it. Love that they got from Boston to
San Antone and I love that, you know what I mean?
It should be south By South Southwest, right, because that's
what the best is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Right, this is pretty festival. But then we could say
that's where they got the name.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I have to I feel like they would have had
to have gotten the name from north By Northwest.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
I would assume, which is funny. Well, I would assume
that's where Kanye and Kim got their baby name. And
and but it's funny that north By Northwest is not
really a real direction. It doesn't exist. But that's kind
of point.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
But yeah, well it's just another you know thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
It sounds yeah, but they don't even go north.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah. I actually read somewhere that there was like maybe
this was on IMDb. There's two like other subtle other
potential titles for this movie. One was Breathless okay, and
one was like Lincoln's Nose or something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Yeah, the Man Onncoln Lincoln's Nose or something like that. Yeah,
breathless is pretty generic.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
Yeah, I couldn't tell you anything, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Don't really remember too many scenes where they're really that
out of breath.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why that was.
That was an idea. Well, you already pitched what you
would do of sequel prequel Prestige TV. Yeah, I'd like
to see a TV prequel series for Eve Kendall.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Ooh okay, Yeah, there's a lot going on there that
we don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
There's a lot how did she get into this life?

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
How does she get here? Did she get on the train?
Let's figure it out. I want to see the lead up,
but I would like for it to be kind of
like that Star Wars movie, what was it called Rogue
one where the whole movie the ends right where the
fourth she gets fourth episode four starts right, very good,

(01:19:22):
that's for.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
The last episode. She gets on the train.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Yes, yes, she gets on the train, executive, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Then you see like the back of an actor who
looks like Carry Grant get on the train too, and
then it pulls out of the station. And then oh,
last shot, she's sitting there in the dining car and
she looks up as if someone want she hears somebody
walking in don't stop cut the black.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Here you go love it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
The name of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
All about Eve.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
All about Eve, seems the obvious one. I'd want it.
You'd have to have the character name in it, so
we character Eve Kendle, double agent.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Nice, That's all I need.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah, look, Gloe, fine man, what look Jeff?

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
This movie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yes, you haven't even said if you liked it yet.
I like this. You you did keep the suspendence is
going and then you just like it out there. I
liked it. I liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
I didn't love it, Okay, because I didn't love it
because not that I it's not good, not that I
wouldn't watch it again, not that I didn't enjoy it,
is because the whole time I'm I think that's having
this huge bond, you know, love in my head. The
whole time I'm like, God, I wish this was a

(01:20:43):
Bond movie, because you just wish.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
This right, it's so close to being Bond. Why is
this Bond?

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Why isn't this Bond? And it was like keeping me.
I'm like, oh, this is like literally I'm watching I'm like,
oh this if this was Bond, this would be a
good moment for Q to show up and then we
can here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Yeah, I've only he had like a gadget right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
And so so. But I did like the movie. I
did like the movie. I like Terry Grant a lot
in it. And you know what, I've now seen three
Hitchcock movies, so I feel yeah, I feel good about it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
So just to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Reminder the people, you gave a you gave a thumbs
up to Phantom right, Yes, I gave a huge thumbs
up to ed Wood. You gave a thumbs down to Magesty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Yeah, I gave a.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Thumbs like partially down. What degree would that be, like,
like a fifty five degree?

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah, I'll say fifty five. Yeah. I enjoyed scenes from it,
and I could see how some people would feel that
way about north West too. It's more like it's kind
of because it kind of feels episodic. Yes, in that way,
it just like a bad movie just starts. It doesn't really,
I mean it this thing, it doesn't. You don't get bored.

(01:21:57):
I will say that as far as waiting for the
movie to start, it happens very efficiently and a very
cool way to have them as the identity mistaken it's
so simple, but it could happen to anyone. It could
be like Brad's worst fear, My worst could happen to you.
So let's see yes, so and then so I'm giving
a thumbs up to this one down thumbs up from you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Okay, So now it's time for my next pick.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Before you do that, I will recommend if you want
to keep on the Hitchcock train, if you will, and
not the kind of train that it's like a not
so subtle innuendo of the train going in the tunnel
after they get married and start to get out and get.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
It on in the upper berth.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Yes, and Hitchcock did that intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Absolutely, that's called nineteen fifty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
You got to work with what you got.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
And so yes, the last shot when they're about to
get it on is a train going into a tunnel
at wank wank. It's intercourse. I would recommend rear Window.
I would say, I'm a huge fan of Psycho. Obviously
we could have if we had Patreon. I would say, Patreon,
people go listen to our Psycho episode because we can
go on and on about all day. But real Window,

(01:23:03):
I do dance around with my favorite Hitchcock movies where
a window is great, Strangers on a Train, I think
it's great, especially if you've seen the eighties movie Throw
Mama from the Train. You'll find out what's good that
is based on. Okay, and and even dialand for Murder
is great too, especially if you've seen the remake of that,
which is called The Perfect Murder with Michael Douglason. What
to the Pope.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Trow Ah phenomenal. Okay, so we got to continue the hitchcocking, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Hitch is good, but I would say once you hit
the birds there, the Marnie is an okay movie. It's
got tippy Headron again. Frenzy is fine, but he does
taper off. He does kind of Hitchcock proves the Tarantino
philosophy that you should probably do ten and then get
out before uh before fadeaway. Because I almost feel like

(01:23:52):
north By Northwest kind of is like the way I
said it's kind of the greatest hits. It's kind of
like Once upon a Time in Hollywood in that way
where it's like everything done went into this and then
he took the weird right turn from Psycho. It'd be
like if if Tarantino for his last movie, decided to
do a Blumhouse movie rise his finale. That's how that

(01:24:13):
was rich cock so and then yeah, he unfortunately just
kind of petered out towards the end of his last
movie family Plot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
I don't even know if I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Well, let me let me ask you this as far
as the Tarantino of it all, and I know this
is off subject, but I just want to ask if
you count Kill Bill as two films?

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Yeah, he said it was done.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
And he's done at Once upon a Time. M hm,
Once upon a Time is the movie to go out?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I think it's uh, yeah, I agree. I think it's
a it's a fine finale. And a lot of people
said that, like, hey, maybe that should be it because
you could take and count to Kill Bill's two and
then he can count his segment from four Rooms as
like a point two five, and so I kind of
put them over. I mean, if he counts Death Proof
as a whole movie, then he can.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Right why And to me, like, if you walk out
on that movie, you're you're you're you're goaded, as the
kids say, right, because that's just such a great movie.
End on. But that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Feels like that too, but he's got to make Toy
Story four. He did fine, he made Toy Story three.
Everyone was happy with it. But he's gonna go back
and we'll see. Well, then maybe he will decide that
Death Proof doesn't count, and all of a sudden, he'll
have another movie that he's got to do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Yeah, because kill Bill should count two movies. It must
like it's two different movies.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I've never seen it, and that's one one cut, no
no line, the whole bloody affair. I have not seen that,
but I's it's weird that it wasn't designed that way
because it feels that way.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
It ends up a very satisfying cliffhanger, but it feels
like that's the end.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
It'd be like if Back to the Future.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Two and three just kept going, he'd be like, oh, oh,
now we're doing this, so I kind of need the pause.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I'm going to now tell you my next movie. Yes,
and what's funny is that your first pick was ed Wood,
which starn Martin Landau. Yes, your second pick. Your second
pick is north By Northwest, which features Martin Landau. So

(01:26:32):
for my next pick, this movie also features Martin Landau.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
This is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Isn't that strange.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Yes, I've never thought so much about Martin Landau in
my life, and you'd think we were the biggest Martin
Landel super fans.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
So this movie, it's not an eighties movie now, it's
not even a nineties movie.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
He plays a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
I think this is the year two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Oh, in the year two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
This is David R. Kent, This is Scott Kahan. This
is ready to rumble.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
He had to go ready to rumble. I am ready
to rumble. We're going to wrestling. And finally we.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Got Hey, look, I'm just gonna tell you real quick
for the people who don't know the cast incredible. You
got Marquette, Oliver Platt, Scott Kahn, you have Martin Landau,
Rose McGowan, Joey Pants, Diamond, Dallas Page, Bill Goldberg. This
is this is the movie, man, This is the movie
j Marquette.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
And I'm sure we'll talk about this on the next one.
But he like did real wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
After this, right, interesting to use the terminology real wrestling,
but uh yeah, yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Did, like Jake Paul kind of real wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Yeah, well, we'll talk about it, but that's gonna be
the next pick Ready to rumble, Kyle.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
I will be ready to rumble in May.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
All right, Well, Jeff Smith always, thank you, north By
north West recommend for me. You all recommend it. Tweet
us at Brad Gilmour at what are you on X?

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Mister when I'm on X? Yeah, I kind of quit
X for a while and then I thought I threw
my hands up the one. All right, I'll go back.
So I am a Jeff C. Smith on on the
X and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
You're Jeff Smith movie guy on on the Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Okay, and looks it looks so fake on the YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
The two.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Well, enjoy your two utes and your event that you
have coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
We will all see you all the next Pick six
where we're talking about ready to run Pick six

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
Oh, what have you done

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