December 23, 2025 • 33 mins
In this episode, host Caroline Raffetto sits down with Kate Glantz, CEO and co-founder of Move Over Bob, a powerful media and lifestyle brand reimagining what it means to work in the trades. Kate shares her non-linear journey into construction, from global service work and Hollywood film studios to trade school and startup life. Together, they dive into the urgent workforce gap, the importance of representation in the trades, and how marketing, culture, and storytelling can change the future of construction for women. This episode is packed with inspiration, practical advice, and a bold vision for what’s next in the industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of co opod. I'm your host, Caroline, and today I'm
joined by Kate Glance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Kate, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm great? How are you doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You know it's almost Friday. We've almost made it.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I call Thursday Friday Junior.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, like the pregame to Friday. Exactly awesome. Well, if you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Guys don't know who Kate is, Kate is the CEO
and co founder of move Over Bob And let me
just tell you, if you don't know what move Over
Bob is, you definitely should. Move Over Bob is a
media and lifestyle brand that is reimagining what it means
to work in the trades. Founded to put women front
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and center of construction and skilled trades, move Over Bob
is reshaping the culture with fresh storytelling, bold visuals, and
a big sister energy that makes the trades feel empowering
and accessible. Through the print magazine's digital content and partnerships
and education and the industry, move Over Bob is building
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a movement where women can see themselves, define success on
their own terms and quite literally help construct the future.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So was that a good summary there?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah? I was like I want to be part of that.
That's cool. I love it. Did I write that? Did
you write that?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think I had a little bit of help from Ches.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
There are some new words in there, but I love it,
very compelling, awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, Kate, I'm so excited to have you here. I'd
love to start this off with kind of learning a
little bit more about.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Who you are. Yeah, that's a big question because I
think as women we contain multitudes, right, But in in
my career I have been I've had a lot of
chapters and I kind of joke like if you look
at my LinkedIn or my resume, you might think I'm
like nine different people or just a very confused person.
(02:13):
But I have always known from a very early age
that I am on this earth to leave it better
than I found it. And while I didn't know so
clearly like what that actually entailed from a young age,
I always had like a very service forward mindset, and
today that is manifested in doing really whatever I can
to help women reach economic security and stability so they
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can live any life they want to live. And as
we know, and as the data shows, like when women
have financial stability, everyone benefits, They benefit their families benefit,
the economy benefits, and so you know, as a little kid,
I just was a little do gooder, and I went
into the Peace Corps right out of school, and I
sort of always worked at the intersection of women's economic
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development and marketing and storytelling. And so I've lived many
lives on many continents, and i now find myself back
in my home state of Arizona, where I had flown
the coup for like twenty years, and I'm so proud
to be building move Over Bob in Arizona, which is
such a vibrant construction ecosystem, so that there's probably ninety
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seven little like stops in the road I missed there,
but I'm sure I'll be able to like allude to
some as we get into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I feel like we could.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Have an entire podcast just on like our past lives.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, over sure, I think all they all like actually
on that. So I was speaking to a room of
women coming out of sort of adverse situations in their
lives yesterday, and you know, some were coming out of
abusive situations, some were justice impacted, all sorts of things,
and I was like, if you're in this room and
you made it this far, Like, I can't even imagine
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the toolbox of skills that you have that will be
transferable into this next part of your life in construction,
because you don't start at zero. Even if if you
keep bouncing around, you're only gaining more skills. And I
really believe that so many life skills, especially transfer into
whatever comes ahead and just gives us more perspective on
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what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's awesome. I love hearing all about you know, your
past lives, and that's kind of something I want to
talk about a little bit more. You know, all of
our different past lives and career pivots. How did you
make your way into construction?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
It was not a linear journey, and it definitely was
not something as a kid that anyone ever really showed me,
like showed me that it was a possibility. Even though,
and this is so ironic that I come from a
construction family. My dad still sells nuts and bolts. Wow,
my mom was she's retired, but she sold for like
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thirty forty years to the trades, so she was selling
to like model homes back when that was very popular.
So construction actually, you know, was the work that put
food on the table for my family. And yet and
I was fascinated by excavators and back hos and you know,
like most kids, or at least like most boys. And
yet at no stage ever did anyone ever suggest construction
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as a path, whether whether as a trade or as
a you know, engineering degree or construction management. So there
were many like sliding doors moments in my life where
I was in the Peace Corps building latrines and basically
acting as a general contractor without having any vocabulary for
what that meant. And I just did that project. I
loved it, and I moved on with my life and
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did other things. And that kept happening until I, by
sort of societaly Society's conventions, was successful, bought a house.
It was actually a condo, so I was fortunate that
there was a building engineer, and I had no idea
how to fix anything. But inevitably, as a new homeowner
knows things are going to break quickly, and so call
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up the building an in Walks Korean, and she is
the first woman in trades i'd ever seen knew how
to fix literally everything, because when you're in a residential environment,
you just have to know everything. And I just remember
thinking like, I am so envious of this woman's ability
to be self sufficient, and on paper, I looked self sufficient.
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I bought a house, I was doing great in a
corporate career, but even I didn't even have like the
tool in my mind that I would need to fix
a leaky faucet. Let alone have a wrench, let alone
know how to use it. So that really kind of
brought me back into this like idea of like what
does self sufficiency look like? What does empowerment look like?
And it just kind of nagged at me while I
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sort of progressed in my career, landed in Hollywood and
I got to kind of use movie magic. I was
the head of social impact at a film studio and
it was really fun and I got to play in
culture and entertay and I had great budgets. And then
I got laid off because I was a cost center,
as we call it, and in a Hollywood downturn, which
are cyclical, they happened. My whole team got disbanded, and
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so that was the moment where I was like, Okay,
I'm on this upper trajectory. Let me take a bead
and figure out is this even what I want? Is like,
what am I building? You know, no pun intended, but
maybe And at that moment I was like, I think
it's time. I think the construction, all the stuff swirling around,
there's something here I have to know. And so I
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went to trade school and I spent five months at
a community college in a residential rough carpentry pre apprenticeship,
learned how to frame a house. I was actually quite
good at roof trusses, not super good at anything else,
but I think like I didn't go into it with
the idea of getting on a job site and doing
this professionally. I really was starting to bridge all these
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parts of my life where it was like I want
women to have money and autonomy and power. Oh, construction
literally has you know, power tools, like it's in the
name of a building of you know, creating, And it
just became this like thread I started to unravel. But
I needed especially as a woman who tends to know.
I mean, I'm sure you have been in the situation
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where you want to make sure you're one hundred and
fifty percent short what you're doing or proposing is right
and good and sound. And I knew, especially because I
wanted to be reaching young women and women in general.
I didn't want to throw a hypothesis out there build
a startup around it, which we know people in San
Francisco are like typical to do and get the funding right.
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But this was so personal and it was important for
me to walk the walk and actually understand how to
build something with my hands. What does it mean as
a you know, late thirty something year old woman picking
up a circular soft for the first time, Like where
do I what do I use my hair? And you know,
how do I what am I at my nails? And
not just the girly things, but just like what does
it feel like to learn? And I very quickly was
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validated in my hypothesis that you put a power tool
in a woman's hand, teach you how to use it,
and there will be a self efficacy, a confidence that
you can't take away, and that starts to permeate into
other parts of her life and it's actually like really magical,
really powerful. And then you kind of look at macro
trends in our economy and infrastructure and we're about to
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experience the biggest they're calling it the silver tsunami, like
sort of the biggest retirement boom. That we've ever seen
in construction, and it's truly urgent, and it's not being
addressed in a way that makes it seem urgent, and
so I noticed I was like, Okay, this is interesting, Like,
get women in these positions of skilled trades in a
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high demand industry where salaries far outpace the kind of
white collar counterpart, especially if you don't have a college
degree and don't require debt from school. So it just
it felt like this magical thing. So I sort of
hit the ground running, connected with my now co founder,
who is building move Over Bob as sort of a
storytelling endeavor before me, and she has a whole credible
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past as a cosmetologist turned carpenter, and we sort of
forces as this white collar, blue collar sisterhood. And what's
so interesting is we couldn't have been raised in a
more different way and had different challenges and different opportunities
and overcome different things. But our hearts and our mission
are fully aligned, and they just clicked instantly and so
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joined forces. And for the last year and change we've
been building this media and lifestyle brand, and I'm so
proud of not only how far we've come and how fast,
but how the industry has really received us, especially now
that they can see our magazine and what we're building,
because I will tell you in the earlier days of this,
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you know, I had my little adorable bootleg business cards
from Walgrains because we hadn't this added on a logo
or color scheme at so I was like, let me
just get the like four ninety nine, you know, fifty
pack go into these mixers of construction people that I
don't know. I don't know what to wear, I don't
know myself or be who to be and fortunately and unfortunately,
I don't really know how to be anything other than
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just who I am. And at least in construction, they
sniff b us in five point two milliseconds. And so
even if I was not the traditional person walking through
those doors, I was received so kindly because I was
myself and that was that was really cool to see
how great this industry is. But but yeah, I mean
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they like things have happened fast for us, and I'm
so like happy to share that, like some of the
top gcs and construction brands and companies in the world
are coming to us to say, how can we get
in your magazine? How can we get our women on
your pages and on your you know, on your accounts,
and it just feels really really good that we are
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filling this vacuum in in at the intersection of construction
and culture which no one has cracked. And I have
a lot of reasons I could tell you why, but
like it's just it feels undeniable and yet the hard
thing I've ever done. But I also it's like the
best thing and the thing that feels the most aligned
with my values, my interest the time that we're in
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because so many startup scale because it's not the right
time and it's just all systems are a go.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, And it really seems like fate has brought you
to this moment. This is where you're supposed to be,
who you're supposed to be doing this with. And it's just,
you know, as an outsider watching that that's so exciting
and so incredible, and I'm sure you feel the same
way living it, and you know, really just focusing on
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getting more women into this industry. You know, I feel
like forever it's almost been like a little boys club,
you know, it's this is a man's industry, which we
have very clearly shown that it is not. It is
an industry for everyone, and it's just it's so exciting
to watch this and you know, be on the sidelines
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of it and watch you guys succeed and support that.
And I do kind of want to talk a little
bit about, you know, the workforce development. How you mentioned
you know, there's going to be a lot of people
retiring from our industry. And you know you've said previously,
you know, girls aren't googling how to be a construction worker.
I can back you up on that because that never
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would have shown up in my Google searches as a
pre teen teen, even in my early twenties. And you know,
it really reframes kind of this issue of you know,
workforce development is also a marketing challenge, but even more than.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
A skills gap.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So how can these construction leaders out here rethink recruitment
through that marketing lens.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, well, it's not an issue of interest. I know that,
it's an issue of awareness. So it is a marketing
challenge and it's not rocket science. The industry is predominantly
older men, and the talent pool we're trying to reach
are at least younger people at large, and then the
talent pol women have never been reached and so the clearest,
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you know, like the clearest reality here is that the
mess the correct messengers are not in place, and so
the messenger has to change and it needs to be
people who this next generation of talent relates to. And
it's it's not even me, yeah, cool and young, I
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feel too old now.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm like that to me, like I'm a millennial. They
don't want to hear from me at all.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
My job is to talk to industry and educators and
sort of the ecosystem. But what I'm so proud that
we're doing is actually building the universe, the platform, the
community for women trades women in the first ten years
or even five years of their career to actually serve
as those liaisons and ambassadors to the next generation because
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they speak the same language, they have the same you know,
like interests, they I just they get each other. And
it's sort of that authority thing, like you don't want
to listen to what your mom says, even if it's
totally right, but you will listen to your cool cousin.
And so that's sort of what we're doing here, is
trades women don't have a lot of time on their hands.
They're not in the mix as much as a white
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collar women in construction, which we also very much need
in our community, and sort of outstretching their hands to
get women in architecture, engineering, all these other jobs too.
But it's the trades women giving them the microphone and
actually sometimes like showing them how to use it because
most of them have never literally used a microphone and
they're terrified, but they're so certain that they need to
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step into this responsibility to reach out to these girls.
But I can't expect women working from three am to
you know, one pm or whatever to go figure out
how to set up an event and da da da da.
It's like no, no, no, let us build this world and
this community. And like you raise your hand when you
can and want to in the way you can and
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want to. So it's all about creating the conditions to
let the right messengers close the deal. And you know,
it's it's not enough to like say earn while you learn,
Like great, that's important, and we do want to make
sure young people know that an apprenticeship is an ability
to earn money, not incur debt, and learn because there's
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actually so much misinformation and many misconceptions about what an
apprenticeship even is. So we're starting at a very basic point.
But yeah, it's it's those are like the data, the
talking points, like whatever. The messenger is, the one who
they're looking at, who they're looking for themselves in to
be like could I wear this proverbial tool belt and
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walk in these boots? Right? And if they they're not
going to see it, if it's someone that's totally unrelatable,
it's just not going to be that kind of resonance
that we desperately need because we don't see a lot
of women and younger people generally men either that are
sort of in these roles and saying, hey, the water
is awesome over here, Like I not only can I
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fix anything in my house, but I bought my house
and I don't love debt, and I go on a
a Disney cruise with my kids, and I have this
weird expensive hobby and this is my tool collection and
these are my nails, right, Like it's a lifestyle and
it's one that I think anyone not in a blue
collar sort of family might have no idea, like the
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way that this is a profitable staple and a badass
lifestyle and that's the other piece of recruitment is it
can't just be like, this is what a welder does,
this is what a welder makes. For sure, these are
important things because people don't know. You have to show
what they're doing on the weekends and how they can
show up. Like we actually have this TikTok video that
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I'm very proud of. It's incredibly viral. It has like,
I don't know, one hundred and thirty thousand likes in
the last couple of days. Yeah, million views, and it
is a less than twenty second video of Emily, a
high school junior who's been welding since she was ten.
She has blue hair piercings everywhere and literally like four
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inch Halloween themed nails. And I was like, we were
just in this high school talking to the girls, you know,
just learning about their lives, and before we left, I
was like, dude, let me do a quick nail check
on camera. I want to post this. It was a
one like one minute situation. Posted it and I have
probably one hundred girls in the comments asking about welding
because right and then it's like all these older women
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not even older, but just established tradeswomen being like oh,
I wear my nails like this and da da da da,
and I know she has nails. I want her as
my welder, my mechanic. And so it's nothing a brand
or a recruitment campaign or HR could ever fathom to manufacture.
And yet it has cut through more than anything we
have done to date. And it was a twenty second
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casual video. But it's just the power of the messenger,
the lifestyle, the self expression, all of these other things
outside of the bullet points of what these jobs are.
And the last piece I'll say on that is I
have very different conversations depending on my audience. I'm not
really telling team girls the skilled trades crisis is an
emergency and our national infrastructure is in peril and they
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don't care.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Maybe like, ah, what and they didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We did that, you know, big college, all of the things,
all the forces did that for them. I want to
show them this is community, this is purpose, this is
a stable paycheck, this is self expression, all the things,
and it's important to not let our messages go in
the wrong places. And that's they're marketing. One oh one
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is like, of course I'm shouting this to teachers to
be like please like get your students what they need
to like understand what what the opportunity is. And I
need to scare you with the problem. And so it's
really interesting. I think we need to take a more
nuanced and thoughtful approach to recruitment. It's not it's not
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just a recruiter. There is an entire ecosystem of creative
and campaigns and marketing and ambassadors all of that that
need to be thought through if you want to actually
get results.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, and I mean it's you know, there's the whole
part of like the information part of you know, this
is what the welder does, this is what a carpenter does.
But actually showing them inside of what a day to
day looks like. You can still have your gorgeous nails
and your eyelashes, you know, like you can still be
a girl. You know, you are still a girl, so
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you can still have that freedom to express that. In
showing you know, that day to day life, those real people,
those real stories through storytelling is such a and I
only don't even want to say this, but it's a
unique approach and it shouldn't be that should be how
we do this.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, it's very clear to me and to Angie like
we're we're but we represent those like at the intersection
of the Venn diagram of like marketing and advertising and construction.
We are in a very tiny little space because we're
pretty serious about OSHA compliant photos, about never putting a
tool in a woman's hand she wouldn't use for that
job for the cool photo. Media doesn't know what OSHA is.
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They don't know, you know, they're looking for the best angle,
whereas construction does not have the like always the creativity
or the appetite for edgier, risk, gear less sort of
tried and true campaigns, And so we get to kind
of play in this intersection where no one really knows
that much about either thing, and together Angie and I
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sort of live in these worlds together, and so it's
really fun because everyone's like, cool, you guys do that,
and we'll be part of it, like yes, well.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And it's like even like you think of, like how
much times I've looked up construction stock photos for like
our articles and things like that, and even in these
photos it's all dudes, and it's like, you know, half
the things, like it's they're not even doing it right,
Like I can't put that on an article being sent
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out to you know, the entire construction industry, because they're
going to look at it and be like, Okay, so
why is the hammer upside down?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Exactly? It's easy, Like we're starting to build a library
of original photography, and for now we're using it for
our own purposes. But I see a world where we'll
license that, where it's like, you want to really get
women excited about this, well, you better come to move
over Bob's photo gallery and get our cool pictures that
we're spending time and money and care to produce. It's
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not like we're taking this like like as a craft, right,
Like this is serious and and nuanced work here, and
and we're investing early and so you know, I I
I hope there is lots and lots and lots of
other people working on this too. By no means do
I want us to be the only ones out there.
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But it's gonna take every it's gonna take a lot
of resources to move the needle, and it's gonna happen
in culture, or it has to happen in culture. It's
not going to happen fast enough. We will not catalyze
a movement of young people caring about the trades, let
alone young women, unless there are many reference points in
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a person's everyday scrolling journey and kind of content consumption
journey that shows trades as just like either really badass
and cool or just like another option, not something that's
like plan B plan C for a certain type of person. Like,
we really have to expand the aperture of who sees
themselves in these roles. And that's the fun part is
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because if you actually do look under the hood of
who's out there doing this work, like, these are the
coolest women ever. And they they're not one size fits.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
All, No, they are Honestly, every every single woman that
I have talked to that is in the trades is
a certified badass, every single one of them. So it's
I don't know if it's like a personality trade or
something learned through their apprenticeships, but every single one of
them is just cool.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, And the best part is, like you don't have
to be anyone way, Like you don't need to be
an extrovert, you don't need to be a tomboy, you
don't need to be already very good with tools or
your hands, like you just need to show up with
like curiosity and an eagerness to learn and a bit
of like resilience because it's not a it's not an
easy field, and like being you know, on a if
the full kind of women in trades representation right now
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is five percent, the likelihood you're going to be the
only person on a job site that's a woman high,
you know, and so you do need a sort of
like ability to self soothe, you know, because it's like
a lot of that. Like men are like the good
the ones who know what's up, no women show up,
are low drama, do excellent work, and they're like thrilled
to be partnered with women because we also are so
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much more visible, which means we do need to be
better and to work really hard. And so that while
that's unfair to have that standard, it does make us better,
you know. It's motivator.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It motivates me all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yes, exactly. So I think, like you can one hundred
percent show up as you are. Whatever that looks like.
And it's not it's not men's work, it's just that's
it's just the percentages are far skewed. But nothing about
this work except for things that maybe require enormous physical strength,
you know, and some men aren't that strong and some
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women are very strong, so I can't even say that.
But it's it's just like discipline, focus, you know, showing
up every day, and anyone is capable of that if
they put their mind to it. And so I want
to get away from the idea that like you have
to assimilate into what a man is wearing or looks
like or talks like. And you know, you just don't
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have to do that to thrive in construction. Yeah, no,
I complete, because that is you will be skewered if
you can't take a joke.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh yeah, you have. I feel like, just to be
strong in life, you got to learn how to take
a joke, not exactly learn how to take some crap
and learn how to take a joke.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's not for the faint of heart. But it's also
like it's not a reason enough to stay away from
high earning and high demand opportunities.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So yeah, yeah, and you know, kind of just to
close this out, I really really want your thoughts and
opinions here on. You know, if I say I am
a woman that is entering the trades, what is and
this is a huge question because we could have an
entire podcast about this. What is the advice you would
(26:45):
give me? That's an entire podcast. That's a huge question,
I know. But yeah, just thinking if we have some
you know, young women listeners on here, I would love
to get like a little tidbit for them of you know,
what to focus on. What should I watch out for?
What are some tips?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Well, it depends sort of where you're at. If you're
still in school, start with CT classes, so career and
technical education. See if your high school has them, or
if there's one in your district where you can take
a carpentry class or a welding class, just to see
if you like it. There are lots of summer camps
and programs, and then if you're not ready yet to
maybe pick the trade you think you might want to do,
(27:24):
an apprenticeship in community college. Has a lot of community
colleges have awesome programs that are it's like what I did.
It was four it was five months, four and a half,
five months, it was sixteen credit hours, and it got
you certifications to make you more competitive, more knowledgeable, and
just like maybe more confident in walking into either a
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union hall or an employer and feeling like you have
the fundamentals to really kind of hit the ground running,
because I think there is an intimidation factor, especially if
you haven't gotten sposed to tools yet. And I would
also say, like swallow that, call it out, recognize it,
say this is scary, this is out of my comfort zone,
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and then and then get over it because or find
a friend or find someone else, like you need an
accountability budy or a support buddy. It can be a guy,
you know, guys are super supportive, especially if they're learning
at the same time. But try to not let your
fear outweigh your goals. I actually sort of I had
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to think a lot about my own life and like
we didn't really talk about this, but every few years
in my twenties and early thirties and late thirties, I
would move to a new country for a job. I
had never been to this country. Maybe I was taking
a break and just was like, let me go live
here for six months, you know, And I'm like, why
am I like this? Like why do I keep changing careers? Da?
Da da? And I was like, Oh, the one thing
(28:51):
I can kind of sum it up as is I've
never let my feel my curiosity be outweighed by fear,
and so it's you know, you might fall on your face,
but then get up and guess what you learned, maybe
not how to fall on your face in that way,
and then take a few more steps and then you're
gonna trip it a different way. But like it's just
life is short and nothing is guaranteed, so just go
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in head first. And then the maybe more practical piece
of advice I'll say is like, if you're in a
training program, it is the people training you. It's their
job to help you be successful. So ask them questions
like do not be afraid to just say I don't
really know how to do this? Can you show me?
Or can you say it again? That is actually what
you're there for, and employers will be so grateful you
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learned how to make mistakes in training before you go
and make mistakes on actual materials and on you know,
and time on the job. So oh yeah, get it all,
you know, get all your kind of silliness out and
figure it out and mess up and be vulnerable. Always
be vulnerable. But I think training and schooling is when
you get to kind of have the most fun just
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trying things. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, the experimentation part of it is huge. You know,
you don't know that you like working with power tools
until you actually pick one up and you try and
you're like, ooh, this is cool. So you know, I
think that would be you know, kind of resounding what
you were saying. That would be my biggest piece of
advice as well. And I always try to for myself.
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I try to do at least one thing a day
that scares me, whether that be something with work or
killing a spider, but you know, always using that fear
to propel yourself forward. And then kind of a question
for you, So, let's picture five years ahead from now.
What impact do you hope that Moveover Bob has on
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the industry.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I think about this a lot, and I really hope
that in five years we have such a vibrant, growing
pipeline of women in skilled trades and construction broadly, that
move Over Bob is really kind of serving as a
sorority of sorts where you know, we're we're really helping
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foster community, we're showing representation in authentic ways, and we're
basically the Martha Stewart of construction and trades, Like what
she has done from being you know, a caterer all
the way up to having a sort of multifaceted empire
around hospitality. I see that that's sort of the path
we want to be on is starting as you know,
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Angie as a tradeswoman, me as a trades enthusiast, but
as you know, all the roles I played. I want
us to be able to build this true universe of opportunity, access, resources, events,
all the things for women in construction where they just
know they're not alone and whoever they are, and however
they show up, they have what they need and they
have people to kind of walk alongside with. And so
(31:49):
that's not like the business answer, but that's sort of
how I want it to just be ubiquitous and for
us to just be cheerleaders of all of these women
coming up at different stages of their careers. And I, yeah,
I'll save all my business goals.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Hey, that was the important answer right there. And I
think it's so cool. It's kind of like a construction
sorority in a way.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Is there anything else that you would like our viewers
or listeners to know about, maybe you or move over, Bob.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I would just say if you want to learn more,
check us out at Moveoverbob dot com. Our magazines are
in about four hundred schools and nonprofits across Arizona, distributed free.
So if you happen to be associated with or know
of a school or nonprofit that could benefit from it,
send them our way. And if you want to have
the magazine at home and deliver to your door, you
can also become a subscriber on our website. So it
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does focus on stories in Arizona for now, but it's
applicable information to kind of young builders everywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, and you can actually meet Kate and pick up
a copy of Moveover Bob at our COO Summit Phoenix
event later in the spray, So we're super excited to
have you there, have move Over Bob there and have
all of those resources for our students coming in. And
then we'll also put all your links down there in
the description so anyone can come check you out. But
(33:13):
thank you so much for being here with me today.
I feel like this was a great episode. Always love
talking to you. We have such a great time together.
So really, thank you so much, Kate, thank you for
having me awesome and we'll see all of you guys
on the next episode of c OPOD.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Thank you
All right, hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of co opod. I'm your host, Caroline, and today I'm
joined by Kate Glance.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Kate, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm great? How are you doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You know it's almost Friday. We've almost made it.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I call Thursday Friday Junior.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, like the pregame to Friday. Exactly awesome. Well, if you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Guys don't know who Kate is, Kate is the CEO
and co founder of move Over Bob And let me
just tell you, if you don't know what move Over
Bob is, you definitely should. Move Over Bob is a
media and lifestyle brand that is reimagining what it means
to work in the trades. Founded to put women front
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and center of construction and skilled trades, move Over Bob
is reshaping the culture with fresh storytelling, bold visuals, and
a big sister energy that makes the trades feel empowering
and accessible. Through the print magazine's digital content and partnerships
and education and the industry, move Over Bob is building
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a movement where women can see themselves, define success on
their own terms and quite literally help construct the future.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So was that a good summary there?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah? I was like I want to be part of that.
That's cool. I love it. Did I write that? Did
you write that?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think I had a little bit of help from Ches.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
There are some new words in there, but I love it,
very compelling, awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, Kate, I'm so excited to have you here. I'd
love to start this off with kind of learning a
little bit more about.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Who you are. Yeah, that's a big question because I
think as women we contain multitudes, right, But in in
my career I have been I've had a lot of
chapters and I kind of joke like if you look
at my LinkedIn or my resume, you might think I'm
like nine different people or just a very confused person.
(02:13):
But I have always known from a very early age
that I am on this earth to leave it better
than I found it. And while I didn't know so
clearly like what that actually entailed from a young age,
I always had like a very service forward mindset, and
today that is manifested in doing really whatever I can
to help women reach economic security and stability so they
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can live any life they want to live. And as
we know, and as the data shows, like when women
have financial stability, everyone benefits, They benefit their families benefit,
the economy benefits, and so you know, as a little kid,
I just was a little do gooder, and I went
into the Peace Corps right out of school, and I
sort of always worked at the intersection of women's economic
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development and marketing and storytelling. And so I've lived many
lives on many continents, and i now find myself back
in my home state of Arizona, where I had flown
the coup for like twenty years, and I'm so proud
to be building move Over Bob in Arizona, which is
such a vibrant construction ecosystem, so that there's probably ninety
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seven little like stops in the road I missed there,
but I'm sure I'll be able to like allude to
some as we get into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I feel like we could.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Have an entire podcast just on like our past lives.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, over sure, I think all they all like actually
on that. So I was speaking to a room of
women coming out of sort of adverse situations in their
lives yesterday, and you know, some were coming out of
abusive situations, some were justice impacted, all sorts of things,
and I was like, if you're in this room and
you made it this far, Like, I can't even imagine
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the toolbox of skills that you have that will be
transferable into this next part of your life in construction,
because you don't start at zero. Even if if you
keep bouncing around, you're only gaining more skills. And I
really believe that so many life skills, especially transfer into
whatever comes ahead and just gives us more perspective on
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what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's awesome. I love hearing all about you know, your
past lives, and that's kind of something I want to
talk about a little bit more. You know, all of
our different past lives and career pivots. How did you
make your way into construction?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
It was not a linear journey, and it definitely was
not something as a kid that anyone ever really showed me,
like showed me that it was a possibility. Even though,
and this is so ironic that I come from a
construction family. My dad still sells nuts and bolts. Wow,
my mom was she's retired, but she sold for like
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thirty forty years to the trades, so she was selling
to like model homes back when that was very popular.
So construction actually, you know, was the work that put
food on the table for my family. And yet and
I was fascinated by excavators and back hos and you know,
like most kids, or at least like most boys. And
yet at no stage ever did anyone ever suggest construction
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as a path, whether whether as a trade or as
a you know, engineering degree or construction management. So there
were many like sliding doors moments in my life where
I was in the Peace Corps building latrines and basically
acting as a general contractor without having any vocabulary for
what that meant. And I just did that project. I
loved it, and I moved on with my life and
(05:44):
did other things. And that kept happening until I, by
sort of societaly Society's conventions, was successful, bought a house.
It was actually a condo, so I was fortunate that
there was a building engineer, and I had no idea
how to fix anything. But inevitably, as a new homeowner
knows things are going to break quickly, and so call
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up the building an in Walks Korean, and she is
the first woman in trades i'd ever seen knew how
to fix literally everything, because when you're in a residential environment,
you just have to know everything. And I just remember
thinking like, I am so envious of this woman's ability
to be self sufficient, and on paper, I looked self sufficient.
(06:26):
I bought a house, I was doing great in a
corporate career, but even I didn't even have like the
tool in my mind that I would need to fix
a leaky faucet. Let alone have a wrench, let alone
know how to use it. So that really kind of
brought me back into this like idea of like what
does self sufficiency look like? What does empowerment look like?
And it just kind of nagged at me while I
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sort of progressed in my career, landed in Hollywood and
I got to kind of use movie magic. I was
the head of social impact at a film studio and
it was really fun and I got to play in
culture and entertay and I had great budgets. And then
I got laid off because I was a cost center,
as we call it, and in a Hollywood downturn, which
are cyclical, they happened. My whole team got disbanded, and
(07:10):
so that was the moment where I was like, Okay,
I'm on this upper trajectory. Let me take a bead
and figure out is this even what I want? Is like,
what am I building? You know, no pun intended, but
maybe And at that moment I was like, I think
it's time. I think the construction, all the stuff swirling around,
there's something here I have to know. And so I
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went to trade school and I spent five months at
a community college in a residential rough carpentry pre apprenticeship,
learned how to frame a house. I was actually quite
good at roof trusses, not super good at anything else,
but I think like I didn't go into it with
the idea of getting on a job site and doing
this professionally. I really was starting to bridge all these
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parts of my life where it was like I want
women to have money and autonomy and power. Oh, construction
literally has you know, power tools, like it's in the
name of a building of you know, creating, And it
just became this like thread I started to unravel. But
I needed especially as a woman who tends to know.
I mean, I'm sure you have been in the situation
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where you want to make sure you're one hundred and
fifty percent short what you're doing or proposing is right
and good and sound. And I knew, especially because I
wanted to be reaching young women and women in general.
I didn't want to throw a hypothesis out there build
a startup around it, which we know people in San
Francisco are like typical to do and get the funding right.
(08:32):
But this was so personal and it was important for
me to walk the walk and actually understand how to
build something with my hands. What does it mean as
a you know, late thirty something year old woman picking
up a circular soft for the first time, Like where
do I what do I use my hair? And you know,
how do I what am I at my nails? And
not just the girly things, but just like what does
it feel like to learn? And I very quickly was
(08:55):
validated in my hypothesis that you put a power tool
in a woman's hand, teach you how to use it,
and there will be a self efficacy, a confidence that
you can't take away, and that starts to permeate into
other parts of her life and it's actually like really magical,
really powerful. And then you kind of look at macro
trends in our economy and infrastructure and we're about to
(09:17):
experience the biggest they're calling it the silver tsunami, like
sort of the biggest retirement boom. That we've ever seen
in construction, and it's truly urgent, and it's not being
addressed in a way that makes it seem urgent, and
so I noticed I was like, Okay, this is interesting, Like,
get women in these positions of skilled trades in a
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high demand industry where salaries far outpace the kind of
white collar counterpart, especially if you don't have a college
degree and don't require debt from school. So it just
it felt like this magical thing. So I sort of
hit the ground running, connected with my now co founder,
who is building move Over Bob as sort of a
storytelling endeavor before me, and she has a whole credible
(10:00):
past as a cosmetologist turned carpenter, and we sort of
forces as this white collar, blue collar sisterhood. And what's
so interesting is we couldn't have been raised in a
more different way and had different challenges and different opportunities
and overcome different things. But our hearts and our mission
are fully aligned, and they just clicked instantly and so
(10:24):
joined forces. And for the last year and change we've
been building this media and lifestyle brand, and I'm so
proud of not only how far we've come and how fast,
but how the industry has really received us, especially now
that they can see our magazine and what we're building,
because I will tell you in the earlier days of this,
(10:45):
you know, I had my little adorable bootleg business cards
from Walgrains because we hadn't this added on a logo
or color scheme at so I was like, let me
just get the like four ninety nine, you know, fifty
pack go into these mixers of construction people that I
don't know. I don't know what to wear, I don't
know myself or be who to be and fortunately and unfortunately,
I don't really know how to be anything other than
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just who I am. And at least in construction, they
sniff b us in five point two milliseconds. And so
even if I was not the traditional person walking through
those doors, I was received so kindly because I was
myself and that was that was really cool to see
how great this industry is. But but yeah, I mean
(11:27):
they like things have happened fast for us, and I'm
so like happy to share that, like some of the
top gcs and construction brands and companies in the world
are coming to us to say, how can we get
in your magazine? How can we get our women on
your pages and on your you know, on your accounts,
and it just feels really really good that we are
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filling this vacuum in in at the intersection of construction
and culture which no one has cracked. And I have
a lot of reasons I could tell you why, but
like it's just it feels undeniable and yet the hard
thing I've ever done. But I also it's like the
best thing and the thing that feels the most aligned
with my values, my interest the time that we're in
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because so many startup scale because it's not the right
time and it's just all systems are a go.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, And it really seems like fate has brought you
to this moment. This is where you're supposed to be,
who you're supposed to be doing this with. And it's just,
you know, as an outsider watching that that's so exciting
and so incredible, and I'm sure you feel the same
way living it, and you know, really just focusing on
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getting more women into this industry. You know, I feel
like forever it's almost been like a little boys club,
you know, it's this is a man's industry, which we
have very clearly shown that it is not. It is
an industry for everyone, and it's just it's so exciting
to watch this and you know, be on the sidelines
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of it and watch you guys succeed and support that.
And I do kind of want to talk a little
bit about, you know, the workforce development. How you mentioned
you know, there's going to be a lot of people
retiring from our industry. And you know you've said previously,
you know, girls aren't googling how to be a construction worker.
I can back you up on that because that never
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would have shown up in my Google searches as a
pre teen teen, even in my early twenties. And you know,
it really reframes kind of this issue of you know,
workforce development is also a marketing challenge, but even more than.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
A skills gap.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So how can these construction leaders out here rethink recruitment
through that marketing lens.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, well, it's not an issue of interest. I know that,
it's an issue of awareness. So it is a marketing
challenge and it's not rocket science. The industry is predominantly
older men, and the talent pool we're trying to reach
are at least younger people at large, and then the
talent pol women have never been reached and so the clearest,
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you know, like the clearest reality here is that the
mess the correct messengers are not in place, and so
the messenger has to change and it needs to be
people who this next generation of talent relates to. And
it's it's not even me, yeah, cool and young, I
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feel too old now.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm like that to me, like I'm a millennial. They
don't want to hear from me at all.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
My job is to talk to industry and educators and
sort of the ecosystem. But what I'm so proud that
we're doing is actually building the universe, the platform, the
community for women trades women in the first ten years
or even five years of their career to actually serve
as those liaisons and ambassadors to the next generation because
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they speak the same language, they have the same you know,
like interests, they I just they get each other. And
it's sort of that authority thing, like you don't want
to listen to what your mom says, even if it's
totally right, but you will listen to your cool cousin.
And so that's sort of what we're doing here, is
trades women don't have a lot of time on their hands.
They're not in the mix as much as a white
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collar women in construction, which we also very much need
in our community, and sort of outstretching their hands to
get women in architecture, engineering, all these other jobs too.
But it's the trades women giving them the microphone and
actually sometimes like showing them how to use it because
most of them have never literally used a microphone and
they're terrified, but they're so certain that they need to
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step into this responsibility to reach out to these girls.
But I can't expect women working from three am to
you know, one pm or whatever to go figure out
how to set up an event and da da da da.
It's like no, no, no, let us build this world and
this community. And like you raise your hand when you
can and want to in the way you can and
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want to. So it's all about creating the conditions to
let the right messengers close the deal. And you know,
it's it's not enough to like say earn while you learn,
Like great, that's important, and we do want to make
sure young people know that an apprenticeship is an ability
to earn money, not incur debt, and learn because there's
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actually so much misinformation and many misconceptions about what an
apprenticeship even is. So we're starting at a very basic point.
But yeah, it's it's those are like the data, the
talking points, like whatever. The messenger is, the one who
they're looking at, who they're looking for themselves in to
be like could I wear this proverbial tool belt and
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walk in these boots? Right? And if they they're not
going to see it, if it's someone that's totally unrelatable,
it's just not going to be that kind of resonance
that we desperately need because we don't see a lot
of women and younger people generally men either that are
sort of in these roles and saying, hey, the water
is awesome over here, Like I not only can I
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fix anything in my house, but I bought my house
and I don't love debt, and I go on a
a Disney cruise with my kids, and I have this
weird expensive hobby and this is my tool collection and
these are my nails, right, Like it's a lifestyle and
it's one that I think anyone not in a blue
collar sort of family might have no idea, like the
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way that this is a profitable staple and a badass
lifestyle and that's the other piece of recruitment is it
can't just be like, this is what a welder does,
this is what a welder makes. For sure, these are
important things because people don't know. You have to show
what they're doing on the weekends and how they can
show up. Like we actually have this TikTok video that
(17:49):
I'm very proud of. It's incredibly viral. It has like,
I don't know, one hundred and thirty thousand likes in
the last couple of days. Yeah, million views, and it
is a less than twenty second video of Emily, a
high school junior who's been welding since she was ten.
She has blue hair piercings everywhere and literally like four
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inch Halloween themed nails. And I was like, we were
just in this high school talking to the girls, you know,
just learning about their lives, and before we left, I
was like, dude, let me do a quick nail check
on camera. I want to post this. It was a
one like one minute situation. Posted it and I have
probably one hundred girls in the comments asking about welding
because right and then it's like all these older women
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not even older, but just established tradeswomen being like oh,
I wear my nails like this and da da da da,
and I know she has nails. I want her as
my welder, my mechanic. And so it's nothing a brand
or a recruitment campaign or HR could ever fathom to manufacture.
And yet it has cut through more than anything we
have done to date. And it was a twenty second
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casual video. But it's just the power of the messenger,
the lifestyle, the self expression, all of these other things
outside of the bullet points of what these jobs are.
And the last piece I'll say on that is I
have very different conversations depending on my audience. I'm not
really telling team girls the skilled trades crisis is an
emergency and our national infrastructure is in peril and they
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don't care.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Maybe like, ah, what and they didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We did that, you know, big college, all of the things,
all the forces did that for them. I want to
show them this is community, this is purpose, this is
a stable paycheck, this is self expression, all the things,
and it's important to not let our messages go in
the wrong places. And that's they're marketing. One oh one
(19:44):
is like, of course I'm shouting this to teachers to
be like please like get your students what they need
to like understand what what the opportunity is. And I
need to scare you with the problem. And so it's
really interesting. I think we need to take a more
nuanced and thoughtful approach to recruitment. It's not it's not
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just a recruiter. There is an entire ecosystem of creative
and campaigns and marketing and ambassadors all of that that
need to be thought through if you want to actually
get results.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, and I mean it's you know, there's the whole
part of like the information part of you know, this
is what the welder does, this is what a carpenter does.
But actually showing them inside of what a day to
day looks like. You can still have your gorgeous nails
and your eyelashes, you know, like you can still be
a girl. You know, you are still a girl, so
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you can still have that freedom to express that. In
showing you know, that day to day life, those real people,
those real stories through storytelling is such a and I
only don't even want to say this, but it's a
unique approach and it shouldn't be that should be how
we do this.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, it's very clear to me and to Angie like
we're we're but we represent those like at the intersection
of the Venn diagram of like marketing and advertising and construction.
We are in a very tiny little space because we're
pretty serious about OSHA compliant photos, about never putting a
tool in a woman's hand she wouldn't use for that
job for the cool photo. Media doesn't know what OSHA is.
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They don't know, you know, they're looking for the best angle,
whereas construction does not have the like always the creativity
or the appetite for edgier, risk, gear less sort of
tried and true campaigns, And so we get to kind
of play in this intersection where no one really knows
that much about either thing, and together Angie and I
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sort of live in these worlds together, and so it's
really fun because everyone's like, cool, you guys do that,
and we'll be part of it, like yes, well.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And it's like even like you think of, like how
much times I've looked up construction stock photos for like
our articles and things like that, and even in these
photos it's all dudes, and it's like, you know, half
the things, like it's they're not even doing it right,
Like I can't put that on an article being sent
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out to you know, the entire construction industry, because they're
going to look at it and be like, Okay, so
why is the hammer upside down?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Exactly? It's easy, Like we're starting to build a library
of original photography, and for now we're using it for
our own purposes. But I see a world where we'll
license that, where it's like, you want to really get
women excited about this, well, you better come to move
over Bob's photo gallery and get our cool pictures that
we're spending time and money and care to produce. It's
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not like we're taking this like like as a craft, right,
Like this is serious and and nuanced work here, and
and we're investing early and so you know, I I
I hope there is lots and lots and lots of
other people working on this too. By no means do
I want us to be the only ones out there.
(23:07):
But it's gonna take every it's gonna take a lot
of resources to move the needle, and it's gonna happen
in culture, or it has to happen in culture. It's
not going to happen fast enough. We will not catalyze
a movement of young people caring about the trades, let
alone young women, unless there are many reference points in
(23:28):
a person's everyday scrolling journey and kind of content consumption
journey that shows trades as just like either really badass
and cool or just like another option, not something that's
like plan B plan C for a certain type of person. Like,
we really have to expand the aperture of who sees
themselves in these roles. And that's the fun part is
(23:50):
because if you actually do look under the hood of
who's out there doing this work, like, these are the
coolest women ever. And they they're not one size fits.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
All, No, they are Honestly, every every single woman that
I have talked to that is in the trades is
a certified badass, every single one of them. So it's
I don't know if it's like a personality trade or
something learned through their apprenticeships, but every single one of
them is just cool.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, And the best part is, like you don't have
to be anyone way, Like you don't need to be
an extrovert, you don't need to be a tomboy, you
don't need to be already very good with tools or
your hands, like you just need to show up with
like curiosity and an eagerness to learn and a bit
of like resilience because it's not a it's not an
easy field, and like being you know, on a if
the full kind of women in trades representation right now
(24:38):
is five percent, the likelihood you're going to be the
only person on a job site that's a woman high,
you know, and so you do need a sort of
like ability to self soothe, you know, because it's like
a lot of that. Like men are like the good
the ones who know what's up, no women show up,
are low drama, do excellent work, and they're like thrilled
to be partnered with women because we also are so
(25:01):
much more visible, which means we do need to be
better and to work really hard. And so that while
that's unfair to have that standard, it does make us better,
you know. It's motivator.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It motivates me all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yes, exactly. So I think, like you can one hundred
percent show up as you are. Whatever that looks like.
And it's not it's not men's work, it's just that's
it's just the percentages are far skewed. But nothing about
this work except for things that maybe require enormous physical strength,
you know, and some men aren't that strong and some
(25:34):
women are very strong, so I can't even say that.
But it's it's just like discipline, focus, you know, showing
up every day, and anyone is capable of that if
they put their mind to it. And so I want
to get away from the idea that like you have
to assimilate into what a man is wearing or looks
like or talks like. And you know, you just don't
(25:56):
have to do that to thrive in construction. Yeah, no,
I complete, because that is you will be skewered if
you can't take a joke.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh yeah, you have. I feel like, just to be
strong in life, you got to learn how to take
a joke, not exactly learn how to take some crap
and learn how to take a joke.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's not for the faint of heart. But it's also
like it's not a reason enough to stay away from
high earning and high demand opportunities.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So yeah, yeah, and you know, kind of just to
close this out, I really really want your thoughts and
opinions here on. You know, if I say I am
a woman that is entering the trades, what is and
this is a huge question because we could have an
entire podcast about this. What is the advice you would
(26:45):
give me? That's an entire podcast. That's a huge question,
I know. But yeah, just thinking if we have some
you know, young women listeners on here, I would love
to get like a little tidbit for them of you know,
what to focus on. What should I watch out for?
What are some tips?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Well, it depends sort of where you're at. If you're
still in school, start with CT classes, so career and
technical education. See if your high school has them, or
if there's one in your district where you can take
a carpentry class or a welding class, just to see
if you like it. There are lots of summer camps
and programs, and then if you're not ready yet to
maybe pick the trade you think you might want to do,
(27:24):
an apprenticeship in community college. Has a lot of community
colleges have awesome programs that are it's like what I did.
It was four it was five months, four and a half,
five months, it was sixteen credit hours, and it got
you certifications to make you more competitive, more knowledgeable, and
just like maybe more confident in walking into either a
(27:47):
union hall or an employer and feeling like you have
the fundamentals to really kind of hit the ground running,
because I think there is an intimidation factor, especially if
you haven't gotten sposed to tools yet. And I would
also say, like swallow that, call it out, recognize it,
say this is scary, this is out of my comfort zone,
(28:08):
and then and then get over it because or find
a friend or find someone else, like you need an
accountability budy or a support buddy. It can be a guy,
you know, guys are super supportive, especially if they're learning
at the same time. But try to not let your
fear outweigh your goals. I actually sort of I had
(28:29):
to think a lot about my own life and like
we didn't really talk about this, but every few years
in my twenties and early thirties and late thirties, I
would move to a new country for a job. I
had never been to this country. Maybe I was taking
a break and just was like, let me go live
here for six months, you know, And I'm like, why
am I like this? Like why do I keep changing careers? Da?
Da da? And I was like, Oh, the one thing
(28:51):
I can kind of sum it up as is I've
never let my feel my curiosity be outweighed by fear,
and so it's you know, you might fall on your face,
but then get up and guess what you learned, maybe
not how to fall on your face in that way,
and then take a few more steps and then you're
gonna trip it a different way. But like it's just
life is short and nothing is guaranteed, so just go
(29:11):
in head first. And then the maybe more practical piece
of advice I'll say is like, if you're in a
training program, it is the people training you. It's their
job to help you be successful. So ask them questions
like do not be afraid to just say I don't
really know how to do this? Can you show me?
Or can you say it again? That is actually what
you're there for, and employers will be so grateful you
(29:33):
learned how to make mistakes in training before you go
and make mistakes on actual materials and on you know,
and time on the job. So oh yeah, get it all,
you know, get all your kind of silliness out and
figure it out and mess up and be vulnerable. Always
be vulnerable. But I think training and schooling is when
you get to kind of have the most fun just
(29:54):
trying things. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, the experimentation part of it is huge. You know,
you don't know that you like working with power tools
until you actually pick one up and you try and
you're like, ooh, this is cool. So you know, I
think that would be you know, kind of resounding what
you were saying. That would be my biggest piece of
advice as well. And I always try to for myself.
(30:17):
I try to do at least one thing a day
that scares me, whether that be something with work or
killing a spider, but you know, always using that fear
to propel yourself forward. And then kind of a question
for you, So, let's picture five years ahead from now.
What impact do you hope that Moveover Bob has on
(30:40):
the industry.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I think about this a lot, and I really hope
that in five years we have such a vibrant, growing
pipeline of women in skilled trades and construction broadly, that
move Over Bob is really kind of serving as a
sorority of sorts where you know, we're we're really helping
(31:04):
foster community, we're showing representation in authentic ways, and we're
basically the Martha Stewart of construction and trades, Like what
she has done from being you know, a caterer all
the way up to having a sort of multifaceted empire
around hospitality. I see that that's sort of the path
we want to be on is starting as you know,
(31:25):
Angie as a tradeswoman, me as a trades enthusiast, but
as you know, all the roles I played. I want
us to be able to build this true universe of opportunity, access, resources, events,
all the things for women in construction where they just
know they're not alone and whoever they are, and however
they show up, they have what they need and they
have people to kind of walk alongside with. And so
(31:49):
that's not like the business answer, but that's sort of
how I want it to just be ubiquitous and for
us to just be cheerleaders of all of these women
coming up at different stages of their careers. And I, yeah,
I'll save all my business goals.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Hey, that was the important answer right there. And I
think it's so cool. It's kind of like a construction
sorority in a way.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Is there anything else that you would like our viewers
or listeners to know about, maybe you or move over, Bob.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I would just say if you want to learn more,
check us out at Moveoverbob dot com. Our magazines are
in about four hundred schools and nonprofits across Arizona, distributed free.
So if you happen to be associated with or know
of a school or nonprofit that could benefit from it,
send them our way. And if you want to have
the magazine at home and deliver to your door, you
can also become a subscriber on our website. So it
(32:44):
does focus on stories in Arizona for now, but it's
applicable information to kind of young builders everywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, and you can actually meet Kate and pick up
a copy of Moveover Bob at our COO Summit Phoenix
event later in the spray, So we're super excited to
have you there, have move Over Bob there and have
all of those resources for our students coming in. And
then we'll also put all your links down there in
the description so anyone can come check you out. But
(33:13):
thank you so much for being here with me today.
I feel like this was a great episode. Always love
talking to you. We have such a great time together.
So really, thank you so much, Kate, thank you for
having me awesome and we'll see all of you guys
on the next episode of c OPOD.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Thank you
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