In this podcast episode, Ashley Oakley interviews TC and Jojo, discussing their expertise and experiences with American bison. TC has been working with buffalo for nearly 60 years, raising and training them. He shares stories of his buffalo's achievements, including winning races against horses, appearing in films and commercials, and serving as a mascot. TC also talks about his connection to Buffalo Bill and his admiration for the Wild West shows Buffalo Bill created.
The conversation touches on the history of American bison and their decline in numbers due to human activities. TC emphasizes the importance of educating people about bison safety, especially in Yellowstone Park where tourists often underestimate the dangers associated with approaching buffalo. He shares his goal of conducting seminars or bringing buffalo calves to Yellowstone to raise awareness and prevent injuries or fatalities.
The discussion also covers the distinction between buffalo and bison, with TC explaining how the term "bison" gained prominence to differentiate American bison from water buffalo. The nutritional benefits of bison meat are mentioned, including its higher protein content and lower cholesterol and fat compared to beef.
Jojo, an Olympic swimmer, joins the conversation and highlights the connection between TC, buffalo, and American pride. She expresses her belief that TC's experiences and work with buffalo can serve as an inspiration to younger generations, instilling a sense of strength, determination, and appreciation for the country's heritage.
The episode concludes with references to TC's plans for a book, documentary, and potential future endeavors, including teaching and promoting buffalo safety. The hosts encourage listeners to support American bison and consider purchasing bison meat, as well as providing contact information for TC and Jojo.
Overall, this SEO summary highlights the podcast's focus on TC's expertise in buffalo training, his dedication to bison safety, and the potential for his experiences to inspire others and contribute to the preservation of American bison.
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The conversation touches on the history of American bison and their decline in numbers due to human activities. TC emphasizes the importance of educating people about bison safety, especially in Yellowstone Park where tourists often underestimate the dangers associated with approaching buffalo. He shares his goal of conducting seminars or bringing buffalo calves to Yellowstone to raise awareness and prevent injuries or fatalities.
The discussion also covers the distinction between buffalo and bison, with TC explaining how the term "bison" gained prominence to differentiate American bison from water buffalo. The nutritional benefits of bison meat are mentioned, including its higher protein content and lower cholesterol and fat compared to beef.
Jojo, an Olympic swimmer, joins the conversation and highlights the connection between TC, buffalo, and American pride. She expresses her belief that TC's experiences and work with buffalo can serve as an inspiration to younger generations, instilling a sense of strength, determination, and appreciation for the country's heritage.
The episode concludes with references to TC's plans for a book, documentary, and potential future endeavors, including teaching and promoting buffalo safety. The hosts encourage listeners to support American bison and consider purchasing bison meat, as well as providing contact information for TC and Jojo.
Overall, this SEO summary highlights the podcast's focus on TC's expertise in buffalo training, his dedication to bison safety, and the potential for his experiences to inspire others and contribute to the preservation of American bison.
For more? https://cowgirlmagazine.com/harvey-wallbanger-buffalo/#
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Hey, this is Ashley Oakley,Annie Oakley's long lost sister. This is
the Cody Wyoming Podcast, and Ihave a special treat for you today.
I have a cheering section at numberone, and I have an expert on
American is it. I know thatthis is a subject that you've all been
wanting to hear about. So welcomet C and Jojoe. Thank you very
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much for babies. Oh, I'mso excited. TC. Tell me about
your history with the bison. I'vebeen with Buffalo for almost sixty years.
I bought my first buffalo was nineyears old. I've been trained, raising
producing buffalo for fifty some years.My original buffalo used to race him against
race horses at one hundred and tenyards. He won seventy six of nine
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two races in North America, thenext good Buffalo had. He was in
nine major motion pictures, forty nationalcommercials, Nasha Geographic, nut once but
twice, Sports Illustrated once, WesternHorsemen four times, twenty eight trips to
Canada, four trips to Old Mexico, six boat rides at Cataline Island.
He was a mascot for Arena Footballand Phoenix for twelve years. Took him
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to three World Championships. I havea Super Bowl ring from my Buffalo I
was also a mascot for a collegefootball team in Arkansas for four years.
He was entertained in the Rotary circuitthree times, and he's actually on the
new neckl but it didn't do itovernight. WHOA Okay, So are you
related to Buffalo Bill? First ofall, I wish I was my son's
named Cody. Yes, yes,I actually think he maybe Buffalo Bill reincarnated.
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We did. We do a lotof wild way shows around the country,
and Buffalo Bill has always been myhero because he did things that nobody
else could ever do. Again,he traveled around the country with three hundred
and seven employees around Europe, andthat's nobody could every top that nowadays.
Yeah, let's talk about that fora second. Buffalo Bill took a boat
like Noah's Arc with Elk Bison,what else everything. He took a doll
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and also he worked in the USgovernment to get Indians off the tribes sitting
bowl from Standar Rocks Reservation. Hewas on the reservation at the time.
He took him about eight or nineInian chiefs. So he had a show
of a lifetime that nobody could everreproduce. I tried, but not that
level, at any level. Amazing. So what do you right now?
Do you have a buffalo? Igot one at home. We I've had
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up to five hundred and fifty hada buffalo in a branch in Texas.
I've had eight in training at onetime. I'm originally from South Dakota for
twenty four years and then twelve yearsin Wylming. I've been in Texas for
five been in Arizona for about thirty, but a lot of years overlap for
one hundred and ten. Oh yeah, so you're like five hundred. You
just have a great documentary. Idid, okay perfect. I love this
about you. JoJo's an Olympic swimmer. You let the cat out of the
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bag, buddy, it's me.I need to know more about Jojo.
Yes, I grew up swimming.I was privileged enough where I was able
to join a team and my mainevent was two hundred meter freestyle. So
I made it to Olympic Trials andI got first place. I was fifteen,
and Diana Munn went on to theOlympics, and I at Olympic Trials
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got first place at preliminaries and thirdplace at the finals, and the difference
of first and third is point ohseven seconds. But I went on to
play music and do a lot offun things. It got swimming, got
me a great education. I havesuch great appreciation for how I got to.
We're in Cody, Wyoming, andI'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and
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apparently it worked out. It workedout. I'm so curious. I guess
so you are? Now, sowhat are you in the Are you promoting
the buffalo to do a show rightnow? We're actually in who We're actually
on a my car suf it saysBison Safety consultant. Who we'd like to
do is show up next year inyellst And Park. And Yelston Park makes
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billions of dollars a year for thepeople in the revenue and the tours,
but there's about twelve to eighteen peopleget gored a year and one or two
people die here on the average.We're trying to do is maybe do a
little seminar, bring a buffalo cavaloto that we own, and they can
pet the buffalo and get the Joeysoff the buffalo cab and I can tell
them safety issues about the buffalo andabout how dangerous they are. Because they
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are dangerous. I've been gored threetimes. It happens. But if we
could save somebody's life or save somebodyfrom getting gored, I think that's would
break even doing the deal, andI'd be happy with that. Yeah,
So tell me a little bit aboutwhat you think people can do to hell
not only make sure that buffalo stayhere, but can become a part of
our culture that they've been around along time. There's also been a deal
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about Brucelo. This was twelve orfifteen years ago, when there's a big
deal about Brucelo with buffalo and worriedabout getting out of the park. I
actually put in a proposal way todivide the park in a certain way to
be around them up and to testthem and take the buffalot of the park
that you know I have Brusl,keep the buffalo they have, Bruelos is
free in the park, and takethe other ones out. And I believe
that's still doable. But right nowI'm not pushing out as much as I'm
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trying to push Bison's safety for Americantourists and Yellowstone Park bruslosis is a disease.
So yeah, for the listener,brucellosis is a disease. Let's talk
about what brusloss is. If brustolosa disease, it transferred from animal animal
or when they're breeding. But they'reworried about ranchers think that they could transfer
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from buffalo to cattle. I believethat's possible, except I've been raising buffalo
and catto. We had eight hundredhits of cows we had at the time,
I had only about thirty four.He had a buffet. We try
to get him to breed. Itdidn't happen, But there is that slim
chance that could happen. And that'swhy I wouldn't the buffalo get other park,
mainly like men. They had thebig fire years ago and the buffalo
crossed to the north to get outof the park, and they were capturing
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them and kill them, and thatwasn't fair to the buffalo. Sure,
how many buffalo or how many bisonare there in America? There's around three
hundred thousand buffalo North America today,but you're going way back when there was
over sixty million buffalo at one time. But the white man when they put
the train coming through. Now theydivide the herd in four places, and
they cut the train from the eastto the west, the north and south.
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The real deal was the American cowboys. Calvalry knew that if they could
quipe out the buff they control theNative American Indians because that was our life
source on meat. Yeah, soit's not a very funny story. It's
the life of America. We didn'tget here by mistake. We'd come here
and we took over the Native Americans. And I'm a little bit of Native
American myself, but sooe. Butthat's not the point right now. The
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point is that we're here the buffwe're back to stay. There's if everybody
ate buffalo and one day, basedon a number of cattle go to slot
every day, they'll buff be goneone day. So comparison, the buffo
is about three times a price ofbeef, three times a price of meat
compared to cattle. Interesting. Sois you know the place that people can
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get bison meat. Yeah, there'sa lot of places Zone. It's like
I said, it's about three timesmore expensive. It's better for you,
it's higher in protein, lower incholesterol in fact, and people with heart
conditions and also beat bodybuilders eat alot of buffalo meat for that reason.
Interesting, what's your favorite place toget bison? I mean meat, Yeah,
I don't. I had some ofmy freezer, but I've had buffalo
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of the years, and somebody givesme a quarter at Buffalo and there we
put it up, putting a freeyou'll eat as we go, but that
I'll do a little research and I'llput in the notes where maybe you can
get some bison because I love bison. There's a couple of places in Denver
that served bison that I've had thatI love. It's really higher quality meets
Adam's bison meat in a good yearArizona. It's in a front of mine.
They sell buffalo meat, but there'sa lot of people out to do
that. They do the National BuffaloSale. It's in Denver, Colorado,
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the third week of January. Iwent to that before they even had an
organization for the most part, beforethey had the whole deal with it.
And I've been going to it fora lot of years. I worked for
the NBA, which the National BiseAssociation for years. They actually when they
present a coin at the White Housein Washington Sea for the new Knickel My
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buffalo on the n when they presenta coin, they want the same buffalo
that was on the coin to bethere alive. So I took the buffal
all away from Kate Frick Arizon tothe White House for the inauguration of the
new coin. That was I believein twenty thirteen. Did you put it
on Instagram? Back then? Itwasn't you. Is there pictures? Yeah?
I got picture. Okay, Iwant to picture. I'm gonna put
it on the podcast. It's onthe business card, our number six O
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two Buffalo. That's arizone number.I've been training, raising, training buffaler
almost sixty years, and when itcomes to buffalo, I do believe I'm
an ultimate expert because nobody's ever He'sa legend. Did it that long and
live through it? I believe you. And you know what's interesting is if
you need help with bison or buffalo, or you want to start raising him,
or you have questions, that's theman to call six O two Buffalo.
TC and Jojoe, thanks for joiningme today. What do you hope
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that like when you look back afterall this, what do you hope people
can gain from learning about the bison. How what do you want? The
main thing is knowledge that they're noteight cow. This is more like a
Nielson Park. People no buffalo,don't walk up to him. But people
at see the animal like a milkcow, and they're going to walk up
to him and possibly them getting killedor gored. I want to be my
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card, says bison safety consultant.I would love to be able to be
out there helping people to make knowledgethat they're not safe to walk up to.
You got to keep a distance fromthe buffalo can always if you walk
out one hundred yards, say youwalk out fifty yards and the buffalo is
the buffalo one hundred yards away,and you walk out fifty yards, the
buffal can always beat you back toyour car. They are fast and three
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jumps, are doing thirty some milesan hour, and that's their windpipe is
three times size of a horse.They're made for sprints and I made for
endurance. And the old days theyclaimed they could go one hundred miles water
old and go sixty miles straight.Whether that's true or not, I don't
know. Mine couldn't because mine aretoo fat, because I feed him too
but she's kind of like the samedeal. On Yosun Park, some too
good or were trying to help.This was this year, I believe,
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and some calf was on one sideof the water and some doge or grabbed
the calf and took the calf becauseit couldn't get back. The cow people
filmed it. Some wee at thepark gotten know. They found the guy
before he got to the park.He had the calf. I'm sure he
got fined really hard, which isa bad deal too, But he was
trying to do the right thing.But they took that calf and the park
(09:54):
people put the calf down because butif they if I had known that,
I would assured taken a calf anddid someone with a calf, and it'd
be so much core. It alsothe fact that he come onto the park
not buy my choice to take himout of the park, because I wouldn't
do that. But it comes tobuffalo like Ed Tussio from New Jersey along
on New York, this is wildstory. I went to see him thirty
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years ago doing a American Express commercialwith Jury Seinfeld in along on New York.
He had the only buffalo heard onNew York But getting back the story
about Yellowstone, Teddy Roosevelt shot oneof the first and only buffalo killed in
Yellowstone Park, and they mounted thathead and they gave it to the Boys
Club Boys Clubs in New York.But when they ended the club and they
when they dissolved the deal, theythrew that dumpster at the buffalo head in
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on dumpster. Somebody knew ed Tussio, when I knew he was a big
buffalo guy. They pulled the headout of the dumpster and they sold it
back to Ed Tussio for some bigbucks. But his hanging in his officer
was thirty years ago. But thesimple fact that Teddy Roselk shot it was
Yellowstone Park and end up in dumpster. Now it's at Ed Tuccio's office.
That is monument mental to me.Interesting. Yeah, I think a buffalo
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should be on the South Dakota atthe what's it called where all the presidents
are. There should be the buffalo. There shouldn't, Yes, because that's
that's here. It's a very interestingstory. I think that people want to
get more involved. I think thatthere's room for you to have a big
impact. I think a TikTok wouldbe good for you, truthfully, and
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to do it in a funny way. Right. How do people learn?
They either learn through pek emotional experience, or they learn through repetition. We
have to teach them and teach them, and unfortunately they didn't get taught as
children. So here we are learningabout bison and buffalo together. So what's
the actual correct term? I wascalling buffalo. But the real reason it's
really pushing over bison not buffalo isbecause the bison people have gotten together or
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buffalo bison people got together and they'repromoting the meat of bison, but they
were called buffalo. But there's alot of big ranches in Texas to raise
water buffalo, which is the Asianbuffalo, and they didn't want them putting
the meat on the market and gainingthe credit for them promoting buffalo. So
in the last twenty years they reallypromote the word bison, not buffalo,
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so they couldn't put their water buffaloon the same counter with the meat as
the bison meat. Interesting, Ididn't know that that's a good thing for
people to know. So if you'relooking for meat, you're looking for bison
meat, American planes, bison,or American bison. There are two kinds
of buffalo, because they say,what's the difference from the word. There
isn't that much in the word ishow you say it or pronounce it.
But there are the planes buffalo,which is in America, and there's the
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wood buffalo from Canada. The woodbuffalo and a little wider, little heavier.
They aren't made to run like theAmerican buffore, the planes buffore because
they're in timber and they're not running. They're like forty five below zero.
Yeah, but they're beefed up witha bigger they're a little bigger animal.
And a lot of people that havea buffore trying to get the bison down
here because trying to put more meaton the planes buffalo. People that raised
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buffalo is I see, so ibought buffalo from my Custer State Park.
I've got buffalo from Antelope Island.At one time I had buffalo in five
states and landing four states. Ohwow, amazing Antelope Island. I grew
up by there. I'm from pressToon, Idaho. They put him out
there. It's kind of same withwell, California, I want to interject
TC also trains wolves. Yes,I went through twenty four wolves in twenty
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four years to get three good wolves. I went through fifty one buffalo calves
to get six good buffalo. Notevery animals training, and they say how
do you know which ones which?Sometimes you don't. I always say,
like, not every woman you meetyou want to marry, where every guy
you meet down cut that off?You want to So you got to find
the right connection, something going towork with you. It's safe that that's
very I've had a bunch of buffalo. They weren't trained, but they weren't
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safe to be in public. AndI believe after a lot of years I
can pick that out a lot fasterthan anybody else ever could. Yeah,
I believe that. I think thatyou would know better than anyone. So
buffalo expert, Where are you goingnext? Where? Actually we come to
the park Yilstone Park, hang outin Jackson Wolf for a while where he
were done smalls in Glee at theirhouse in Cody. Cody's a great place.
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We're going here to share triggering Joeand Marcus his place and hanging out
there for the rodeo. Then we'regoing to Jilt to hang out with Doug
Michelson and we're going to Belfus andalso Deadwood to hang out for Deadwood Pro
Rodeo, a bunch of friends,Rapid City and head back to Arizona first
part of August, because right nowit's one hundred and fifteen down there.
You don't want to be down therein the seat. I love the heat,
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I love Arizona, I love SouthDakota, but he's just too cold
for me nowadays. Yeah, Ihear, because what happened was I wasn't
racing the buffalo. I talk aboutracing buff in the old days. I
raced a buffalo in Calgary, Canada, and it was about sixty degrees.
The next race a following week,I had a race in Third Paradise in
Phoenix, Arizona. It was onehundred and fifteen degrees, and the buffal
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when I took him to the racetrack, it's like putting a human in
a sauna for three days. Hewas so wet. He was just wet,
like he put him under garden hose. So when he raced, he
did a very poor job because hewas dehydrated and just worn down. So
I knew at that time, ifI want to race buffalo against racehorse,
you have to be in a warmerclimate. You can always put a blanket
on and take a north if youwant to, but you can't shave their
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hair up because you come down overnight. And back in the old days when
I was raising the buffalo was veryprofitable at the time. Tell her how
you found your first buffalo. Ihad thirty had a buffalo on a reservation
South Dakota, and somebody shot thecow with twenty two and took about three
or four days for to die.And during that time when and when I
found her, then the calf wassucking on her, but she was already
dead. The calf's about a dayold. It wasn't orphan calf. That's
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how I was all started. Itwasn't I was there a planning train buffalo,
having buffalo, but not trained buffalo. So I got the calf,
took it home, started feeding onthe bottle, and people said, what
are you gonna do with that calf? He says, we were trained to
ride. You can't train the buffalo. The heck if I can't. My
dad had one hundred and fifty hadhorses. We were trained horses all the
time. He didn't like you ridingthe same horse twice in one month,
because when they quit buckings time toget another one. So trained the buffalo
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wouldn't have been that hard, youwould think, but I did not know
how it went. But anyway,got the calf raised it, trained it
to ride like a saddle horse.I was hurting cattle with the buffalo,
and then I started team roping offthe buffalo. It was where you're chasing
the steer down, cowboy, andhe saw you rope the steer up.
We're doing off buffalo in Wyoming.And then the next thing, we just
started steer resting the buffalos where youcome out of the shoote together in the
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horse and he twist the steer down. And then, as it turns out,
they want to know the word gotout this buffalos are fast. Buffalo
all fast, but nobody's riding doingthat level. So some people want to
find match him in a horse racing. Gillett, Wyoming, Energy down.
It was just built. So Itook him there and I beat the horses,
and a month later I was inMiles City, Montana, did another
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race. Two months later I wasin Spokane, Washington or race there.
A month after then I'm in Seattle, Washington doing a race there and it
went around the country and it gotbigger and bigger. Now there are major
racetracks like Arlington Park in Chicago,Illinois, the nicest racetrack in Mario,
and I raced here three times.And the handle is amount of money debt
at a racetrack. The racetrack makestwenty one cents in every dour bed.
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Every time we went to a bigtrack and they promoted me, they could
raise are handled by a million dollars, which means by me being there that
day, they made two hundred andten thousand dollars just on amount of money
bet at the racetrack. Plus there'sadmission concessions, so they're probably pulling down
a third of a million more byhad made that day. It's amazing.
It's amazing. So what years wasthis There's in the eighties? Yeah,
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cool. So when he needed toget his buffalo out, tell her about
when you couldn't find a place totake the buffalo so you checked into a
hotel. This is it's not good. I was. I tried to get
into Buffalo bills grow football in NewYork. Yeah, but in the process
also trying to get in with theboulder. See Boulder. They're buffalo got
a female downe in the three cowboyseach side, taking around to six cowboys,
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and it's a female smaller one therewas just small because it can't take
a big one. And sometimes guysare being drug around the field. But
now I want to ride to Buffalo. And tried to get into Boulder,
Colorado a bunch of years. Asit turns out, I funny. Somebody
called him to say at a buffle, I think the guy's kind of fruit.
Definitely, I'm not. So Itook the buffalo to Denver, but
I got you shoot me to Boulder, Colorado, and I got a late
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start, but the buffal was sodarned tame it's unreal. Were usually I
trying to find a ranch house beforebefore we get to the right town.
There was Fronter Fremont being filmed atthe Bouf ranch right south the Gillette,
so I stopped there and that tooka few hours. So the time I
got the buller it was dark.And now I'm looking for a place and
I couldn't find a place. Ifind lower rent hotel and I want a
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place in the back on the bottom, so I rented it and took the
buffle in the hotel room, andhe slept on the floor, and the
morning I walked him out, puthim back in the trail and went and
did the parade. Then I gotinto the football game. Can see in
the buffalo in their motel room motelin the back. It was a good
shirt. The time has a Tshirt the twin he's about twenty two hundred
pounds. You benefit the door.Okay, I'm so excited. This is
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a really epic story. Can youget this T shirt? Still? Okay?
Now this people want these T shirts. They you can't make this brand
of T shirt. It's a fiftyfifty mix. There's it's fifty percent cotton
in fifteen percent polyester. I knoweither way. So I have a limited
collection of them. Somebody wanted tobuy me out on all of these,
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but I said, no, honey, but we give them to our family
and our friend. Okay, andlike some new ones. Okay, I
well one for sure, but let'smaybe we'll do some merchandise. Because here's
the thing I think people want tolearn about it. Yeah, that you
could have a buffalo and go teachat schools. Here's how you change the
future generation. You should have broughtyou teach when they're little, you change
their life to Cody Wyoming as itso, I was about five years old,
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I'd been coming to Jake Clark's mulesale. Do you know Jake Clark
and the mules? Okay, mydad raises mules too. I grew up
on a hunting ridge in Idaho,so it's coming here and I would go
to the mule sale every year,and I fell in love with Tody Wyoming.
They put me in the gun andshow when I was here at the
Spectator, and it changed my life. And that's why I do this podcast.
It's because it's important that the generationthat's younger. So if you have
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a classroom where you have a schoolsix o two buffalo, you call TC
and then you talk to him abouthow you get the buffalo there. That's
what we're talking about. Tell mewhat you're going to say. That's a
good thing about the schools. ButI think the real place for me to
be is in Yellowstone Park because alot of people in schools will play never
make it Yellowstone. What I wantto do. What we want to do
is do some kind of a seminarat Yellowstone. Okay, and hopefully save
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some people's lives, okay, becausethey're already in the park, and you'd
be surprised that people would think alittle bears break. They can walk up
to the barracks. They've got bearsbrown. That doesn't work that way.
And at the buffalo, same deal. You don't get up in it's like
a milk come and go pet itand then they get gored or trample or
hopefully not killed. But if Ican save so much life or save a
bunch of people from getting court,I think that's well with my time a
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lifetime. When you get on airplanesand they have a safety thing, yeah
you could be that guy. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Park.
Just out to the park and Ihope you get on the bus and
then there's TC wherever, wherever andever then listen. It's another project that
he has going on is he's writinga book, and I think that would
be a stellar move to do asafety chapter. That would be not the
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stories, because he has stories outthe wild Zoo, if however, you
say that one, but the book. We are also working on doing documentaries
and we've had people contact him thatwant to do documentaries, and I have
a lot of the old VHS footagefrom the seventies, eighties, and nineties
before we had all the internet,and I've been working on getting remastered.
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So once we get that, I'llput together and the new baby Buffalo Calf.
I think it could be really away to reach a lot of people
between having the book and the documentary. And there's been a lot of interest
in film a lot of people.And because of the hype of Yellowstone that
movie or the series on Paramount,everyone's a little more tuned into cowboy life.
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I'm not a cowgirl at all.I'm from Pittsburgh. But tone it
down, He's telling me with thishand. It's okay. I know boys
think they want to turn out,but you're right. Yeah, a book
and the documentary go on forever.She should bring us cheerier. I had
people in my life. I havean artist in my life, and sometimes
he does it. Yeah, wego through this, so I get it.
How can people get a hold ofyou in Buffalo? But where can
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they go to see more? Sowe have we got a card together and
there's a QR code on it,and if we put it on the screen,
possibly, if we can put onthe screen and I can put it
in the show notes, so I'llput a link to your stuffy I have
it. Yeah, yeah, it'sBuffalo Express LLC. Okay, perfect.
Way back when I had eight seveneight Buffalo and Train and my goal was
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at one time was Sigafer and Royfrom Vegas. They were always my heroes
in that sense because they made theBuffalo disappear and Buffalo Tigers and they're really
good at what they did. AndI try to get a job in Vegas
and guys said, how many Buffalogot a second? What's seven and train
right now? And he's how manypeople are you? And they said,
it's only me. The problem isthat if something was to happen to me
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get gored or something, the showwould stop. Yeah, you need more
people, but Buffalo is something Theyare one person animal at best and not
you can't put people out there totrain him like maybe with Tigers, and
that's why that didn't work. Butwe've had some different great experiences with the
Buffalo. But like I said,I'm always trying to prep safety to the
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American people. Yeah, I loveit safe, She's to be American people.
TC. Thanks for being on.I have one other thing I want
to I feel like if I loveAmerica so much like we all do,
and the Buffalo is a representation ofthat, TC is an extension of the
Buffalo, and to get young menand women to feel the strength and the
pride of this country. His experiencesand the amount of work it took to
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accomplish hit what he has done.This guy, look at these hands.
He stop it here, big andtough and strong, and he's a man.
But I feel that he could actuallymore over than educate people about Buffalo,
really school young men and women howto get in there and get the
fight in there and work butt offto accomplish great things and take pride in
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our nation and where we came fromand how many people have bought and served
kay give us this freedom in thisland. And I think he could be
a huge influence to making our countrymuch better on more large scale than just
Yellowstone Park. I think he's doingit for sure, And I think you
can run for governor. That's nice. I see they tell him, Jojo,
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I see. I love you someone, TC, Jojo, thanks for
being on today and the American PlayingSpion. If you want bison meat,
go look up google bison meat andbuy some today support the American Bison.
My name's Ashley Oakley. This isthe Cody Wyoming Podcast and you are listening
live. This episode is brought toyou by the Irma Hotel. I heard
you had a show. I heardyou had a show at the Irma Hotel.
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Correct, that was about twenty twentysome years ago. It was a
funny story because that trip I tookoff to go two weeks out of town
from Arizona, and the trip almosttook eight wants to get home because we
went from California to Northern California toPortland to Idaho for a show. And
then the next show I had wasat the erm Motel in Cody, Whelming
So now I've got a GOLLI travel, a big pink truck and trader.
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And on the side of the traderthis is funny story. The side trailer
is a picture of a racing buffalo. So coming to the park, you
can't come to the park with acommercial vehicle. And I talked to the
guy and I said, this isthe funny part. I said, no,
we're not doing commercial stuff. We'rejust going to Cody wellm to rope
off rope with the buffalo rope offof the buffalo a rodeo and was really
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coming here to do a promotional eventfor erm Motel. Then the guy park
guy went back and forth and finallythey got a hold of the right guy,
and so we'll let you come throughon two conditions, And I said,
sure, what is it? Hesaid, Number one, you can't
stop and let your buffalo in thepark. I said, not a problem.
And then number two thing he said, and I said, could you
tell me out again because I didn'tget her you can't stop and write our
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buffalo And I said, trust me, that is not You got to get
a calf at day one to tryto train him to maybe work out.
But I mean when we got throughthe park, let gladly let us do
the park. They're great people,come here, did the show, and
we end up going on that trip. We went to I think it was
somewhere in men first South Dakota andthen Minnesota. We end up going down
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to Olympics Atlantic City, and asit turns out, we reversed a trip
on the way back because there wasmore shows exactly where we came from,
because people seen the show and theywanted to hire me back again. So
who hired you at the hotel.Steera Hotel called and said, hey,
they want you to be here.I don't want to do the gun showing
gun shot outside. It's a greatshow. The gun people do a great
Wild West reenactment the gun fighters.Yeah, wild Bunch. Dec is also
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a world champion mounted shooter off abuffalo Cowboys and guns. So I won
the world at that three times inthe national twelve times at that and during
our wild Way show, the buffalogoes to the ring of fire and then
Jojo hold to bloom in her mouthand i'd low buffalo adder and shoot to
target over. I color my facewith a belt hat. Well, I'm
well, I'm loping the buffal Atter, I pull out a rifle, a
pistol target out of her mouth.He shoots a balloon out of my best
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also going full tilt on about hellongand go to the seven before COVID.
Is it on YouTube? Yeah,it's on. If you show him the
QR card, you'll see that onthe card. But also the reason,
in the process of trying to makethe show as good as it good,
I bought a big I had alwaysbig stuff, but I had a big
trailer. But the trader is fiftythree feet long. There's a scissor ram
outside the buffalo inside too. Hefabricated it. It's an elevator. Put
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the ram inside the trailer. It'lltake five thousand pounds of weight up or
down three seconds. So in thevideo, if you show him the QR
card, you'll see the buffalo comeout of the trailers for a card of
smoke. He does a show andhe goes back on top two and poof
three seconds, He's gone, yeah, did you do Presston night Rodeo?
I have yep. I think Isaw you that when I was a kid.
Is that right? I'm one hundredpercent sure. Oh that's their wild
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that's thirty seven. I grew upthere in my whole life. I'm sure
I did same when you were two. Tiny. Yeah, I've been at
this for fifty five years. Wehave a pink Semi and we'll be driving
down the highway and people will callTC, are you in back in town?
Ido? Are you in Wyoming?Are you in Montana? Everyone recognized
it's his gear. I'm the onlyguy thinking the world bought a freight liner
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truck and driving the same bought it, knew is still driving it twenty six
years later. I picked it outon the inside. The rocks are yellow.
It's amazing. It truly is tosee. It needs a little cleaning,
but it's fine. Those are sofun. This episode of Cody Wyoming
Podcast is sponsored by the IRMA hotel, the best place to stay in town.
Thanks again for the hotel. Youguys are the best.
Hey, this is Ashley Oakley,Annie Oakley's long lost sister. This is
the Cody Wyoming Podcast, and Ihave a special treat for you today.
I have a cheering section at numberone, and I have an expert on
American is it. I know thatthis is a subject that you've all been
wanting to hear about. So welcomet C and Jojoe. Thank you very
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much for babies. Oh, I'mso excited. TC. Tell me about
your history with the bison. I'vebeen with Buffalo for almost sixty years.
I bought my first buffalo was nineyears old. I've been trained, raising
producing buffalo for fifty some years.My original buffalo used to race him against
race horses at one hundred and tenyards. He won seventy six of nine
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two races in North America, thenext good Buffalo had. He was in
nine major motion pictures, forty nationalcommercials, Nasha Geographic, nut once but
twice, Sports Illustrated once, WesternHorsemen four times, twenty eight trips to
Canada, four trips to Old Mexico, six boat rides at Cataline Island.
He was a mascot for Arena Footballand Phoenix for twelve years. Took him
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to three World Championships. I havea Super Bowl ring from my Buffalo I
was also a mascot for a collegefootball team in Arkansas for four years.
He was entertained in the Rotary circuitthree times, and he's actually on the
new neckl but it didn't do itovernight. WHOA Okay, So are you
related to Buffalo Bill? First ofall, I wish I was my son's
named Cody. Yes, yes,I actually think he maybe Buffalo Bill reincarnated.
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We did. We do a lotof wild way shows around the country,
and Buffalo Bill has always been myhero because he did things that nobody
else could ever do. Again,he traveled around the country with three hundred
and seven employees around Europe, andthat's nobody could every top that nowadays.
Yeah, let's talk about that fora second. Buffalo Bill took a boat
like Noah's Arc with Elk Bison,what else everything. He took a doll
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and also he worked in the USgovernment to get Indians off the tribes sitting
bowl from Standar Rocks Reservation. Hewas on the reservation at the time.
He took him about eight or nineInian chiefs. So he had a show
of a lifetime that nobody could everreproduce. I tried, but not that
level, at any level. Amazing. So what do you right now?
Do you have a buffalo? Igot one at home. We I've had
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up to five hundred and fifty hada buffalo in a branch in Texas.
I've had eight in training at onetime. I'm originally from South Dakota for
twenty four years and then twelve yearsin Wylming. I've been in Texas for
five been in Arizona for about thirty, but a lot of years overlap for
one hundred and ten. Oh yeah, so you're like five hundred. You
just have a great documentary. Idid, okay perfect. I love this
about you. JoJo's an Olympic swimmer. You let the cat out of the
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bag, buddy, it's me.I need to know more about Jojo.
Yes, I grew up swimming.I was privileged enough where I was able
to join a team and my mainevent was two hundred meter freestyle. So
I made it to Olympic Trials andI got first place. I was fifteen,
and Diana Munn went on to theOlympics, and I at Olympic Trials
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got first place at preliminaries and thirdplace at the finals, and the difference
of first and third is point ohseven seconds. But I went on to
play music and do a lot offun things. It got swimming, got
me a great education. I havesuch great appreciation for how I got to.
We're in Cody, Wyoming, andI'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and
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apparently it worked out. It workedout. I'm so curious. I guess
so you are? Now, sowhat are you in the Are you promoting
the buffalo to do a show rightnow? We're actually in who We're actually
on a my car suf it saysBison Safety consultant. Who we'd like to
do is show up next year inyellst And Park. And Yelston Park makes
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billions of dollars a year for thepeople in the revenue and the tours,
but there's about twelve to eighteen peopleget gored a year and one or two
people die here on the average.We're trying to do is maybe do a
little seminar, bring a buffalo cavaloto that we own, and they can
pet the buffalo and get the Joeysoff the buffalo cab and I can tell
them safety issues about the buffalo andabout how dangerous they are. Because they
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are dangerous. I've been gored threetimes. It happens. But if we
could save somebody's life or save somebodyfrom getting gored, I think that's would
break even doing the deal, andI'd be happy with that. Yeah,
So tell me a little bit aboutwhat you think people can do to hell
not only make sure that buffalo stayhere, but can become a part of
our culture that they've been around along time. There's also been a deal
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about Brucelo. This was twelve orfifteen years ago, when there's a big
deal about Brucelo with buffalo and worriedabout getting out of the park. I
actually put in a proposal way todivide the park in a certain way to
be around them up and to testthem and take the buffalot of the park
that you know I have Brusl,keep the buffalo they have, Bruelos is
free in the park, and takethe other ones out. And I believe
that's still doable. But right nowI'm not pushing out as much as I'm
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trying to push Bison's safety for Americantourists and Yellowstone Park bruslosis is a disease.
So yeah, for the listener,brucellosis is a disease. Let's talk
about what brusloss is. If brustolosa disease, it transferred from animal animal
or when they're breeding. But they'reworried about ranchers think that they could transfer
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from buffalo to cattle. I believethat's possible, except I've been raising buffalo
and catto. We had eight hundredhits of cows we had at the time,
I had only about thirty four.He had a buffet. We try
to get him to breed. Itdidn't happen, But there is that slim
chance that could happen. And that'swhy I wouldn't the buffalo get other park,
mainly like men. They had thebig fire years ago and the buffalo
crossed to the north to get outof the park, and they were capturing
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them and kill them, and thatwasn't fair to the buffalo. Sure,
how many buffalo or how many bisonare there in America? There's around three
hundred thousand buffalo North America today,but you're going way back when there was
over sixty million buffalo at one time. But the white man when they put
the train coming through. Now theydivide the herd in four places, and
they cut the train from the eastto the west, the north and south.
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The real deal was the American cowboys. Calvalry knew that if they could
quipe out the buff they control theNative American Indians because that was our life
source on meat. Yeah, soit's not a very funny story. It's
the life of America. We didn'tget here by mistake. We'd come here
and we took over the Native Americans. And I'm a little bit of Native
American myself, but sooe. Butthat's not the point right now. The
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point is that we're here the buffwe're back to stay. There's if everybody
ate buffalo and one day, basedon a number of cattle go to slot
every day, they'll buff be goneone day. So comparison, the buffo
is about three times a price ofbeef, three times a price of meat
compared to cattle. Interesting. Sois you know the place that people can
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get bison meat. Yeah, there'sa lot of places Zone. It's like
I said, it's about three timesmore expensive. It's better for you,
it's higher in protein, lower incholesterol in fact, and people with heart
conditions and also beat bodybuilders eat alot of buffalo meat for that reason.
Interesting, what's your favorite place toget bison? I mean meat, Yeah,
I don't. I had some ofmy freezer, but I've had buffalo
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of the years, and somebody givesme a quarter at Buffalo and there we
put it up, putting a freeyou'll eat as we go, but that
I'll do a little research and I'llput in the notes where maybe you can
get some bison because I love bison. There's a couple of places in Denver
that served bison that I've had thatI love. It's really higher quality meets
Adam's bison meat in a good yearArizona. It's in a front of mine.
They sell buffalo meat, but there'sa lot of people out to do
that. They do the National BuffaloSale. It's in Denver, Colorado,
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the third week of January. Iwent to that before they even had an
organization for the most part, beforethey had the whole deal with it.
And I've been going to it fora lot of years. I worked for
the NBA, which the National BiseAssociation for years. They actually when they
present a coin at the White Housein Washington Sea for the new Knickel My
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buffalo on the n when they presenta coin, they want the same buffalo
that was on the coin to bethere alive. So I took the buffal
all away from Kate Frick Arizon tothe White House for the inauguration of the
new coin. That was I believein twenty thirteen. Did you put it
on Instagram? Back then? Itwasn't you. Is there pictures? Yeah?
I got picture. Okay, Iwant to picture. I'm gonna put
it on the podcast. It's onthe business card, our number six O
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two Buffalo. That's arizone number.I've been training, raising, training buffaler
almost sixty years, and when itcomes to buffalo, I do believe I'm
an ultimate expert because nobody's ever He'sa legend. Did it that long and
live through it? I believe you. And you know what's interesting is if
you need help with bison or buffalo, or you want to start raising him,
or you have questions, that's theman to call six O two Buffalo.
TC and Jojoe, thanks for joiningme today. What do you hope
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that like when you look back afterall this, what do you hope people
can gain from learning about the bison. How what do you want? The
main thing is knowledge that they're noteight cow. This is more like a
Nielson Park. People no buffalo,don't walk up to him. But people
at see the animal like a milkcow, and they're going to walk up
to him and possibly them getting killedor gored. I want to be my
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card, says bison safety consultant.I would love to be able to be
out there helping people to make knowledgethat they're not safe to walk up to.
You got to keep a distance fromthe buffalo can always if you walk
out one hundred yards, say youwalk out fifty yards and the buffalo is
the buffalo one hundred yards away,and you walk out fifty yards, the
buffal can always beat you back toyour car. They are fast and three
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jumps, are doing thirty some milesan hour, and that's their windpipe is
three times size of a horse.They're made for sprints and I made for
endurance. And the old days theyclaimed they could go one hundred miles water
old and go sixty miles straight.Whether that's true or not, I don't
know. Mine couldn't because mine aretoo fat, because I feed him too
but she's kind of like the samedeal. On Yosun Park, some too
good or were trying to help.This was this year, I believe,
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and some calf was on one sideof the water and some doge or grabbed
the calf and took the calf becauseit couldn't get back. The cow people
filmed it. Some wee at thepark gotten know. They found the guy
before he got to the park.He had the calf. I'm sure he
got fined really hard, which isa bad deal too, But he was
trying to do the right thing.But they took that calf and the park
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people put the calf down because butif they if I had known that,
I would assured taken a calf anddid someone with a calf, and it'd
be so much core. It alsothe fact that he come onto the park
not buy my choice to take himout of the park, because I wouldn't
do that. But it comes tobuffalo like Ed Tussio from New Jersey along
on New York, this is wildstory. I went to see him thirty
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years ago doing a American Express commercialwith Jury Seinfeld in along on New York.
He had the only buffalo heard onNew York But getting back the story
about Yellowstone, Teddy Roosevelt shot oneof the first and only buffalo killed in
Yellowstone Park, and they mounted thathead and they gave it to the Boys
Club Boys Clubs in New York.But when they ended the club and they
when they dissolved the deal, theythrew that dumpster at the buffalo head in
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on dumpster. Somebody knew ed Tussio, when I knew he was a big
buffalo guy. They pulled the headout of the dumpster and they sold it
back to Ed Tussio for some bigbucks. But his hanging in his officer
was thirty years ago. But thesimple fact that Teddy Roselk shot it was
Yellowstone Park and end up in dumpster. Now it's at Ed Tuccio's office.
That is monument mental to me.Interesting. Yeah, I think a buffalo
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should be on the South Dakota atthe what's it called where all the presidents
are. There should be the buffalo. There shouldn't, Yes, because that's
that's here. It's a very interestingstory. I think that people want to
get more involved. I think thatthere's room for you to have a big
impact. I think a TikTok wouldbe good for you, truthfully, and
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to do it in a funny way. Right. How do people learn?
They either learn through pek emotional experience, or they learn through repetition. We
have to teach them and teach them, and unfortunately they didn't get taught as
children. So here we are learningabout bison and buffalo together. So what's
the actual correct term? I wascalling buffalo. But the real reason it's
really pushing over bison not buffalo isbecause the bison people have gotten together or
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buffalo bison people got together and they'repromoting the meat of bison, but they
were called buffalo. But there's alot of big ranches in Texas to raise
water buffalo, which is the Asianbuffalo, and they didn't want them putting
the meat on the market and gainingthe credit for them promoting buffalo. So
in the last twenty years they reallypromote the word bison, not buffalo,
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so they couldn't put their water buffaloon the same counter with the meat as
the bison meat. Interesting, Ididn't know that that's a good thing for
people to know. So if you'relooking for meat, you're looking for bison
meat, American planes, bison,or American bison. There are two kinds
of buffalo, because they say,what's the difference from the word. There
isn't that much in the word ishow you say it or pronounce it.
But there are the planes buffalo,which is in America, and there's the
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wood buffalo from Canada. The woodbuffalo and a little wider, little heavier.
They aren't made to run like theAmerican buffore, the planes buffore because
they're in timber and they're not running. They're like forty five below zero.
Yeah, but they're beefed up witha bigger they're a little bigger animal.
And a lot of people that havea buffore trying to get the bison down
here because trying to put more meaton the planes buffalo. People that raised
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buffalo is I see, so ibought buffalo from my Custer State Park.
I've got buffalo from Antelope Island.At one time I had buffalo in five
states and landing four states. Ohwow, amazing Antelope Island. I grew
up by there. I'm from pressToon, Idaho. They put him out
there. It's kind of same withwell, California, I want to interject
TC also trains wolves. Yes,I went through twenty four wolves in twenty
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four years to get three good wolves. I went through fifty one buffalo calves
to get six good buffalo. Notevery animals training, and they say how
do you know which ones which?Sometimes you don't. I always say,
like, not every woman you meetyou want to marry, where every guy
you meet down cut that off?You want to So you got to find
the right connection, something going towork with you. It's safe that that's
very I've had a bunch of buffalo. They weren't trained, but they weren't
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safe to be in public. AndI believe after a lot of years I
can pick that out a lot fasterthan anybody else ever could. Yeah,
I believe that. I think thatyou would know better than anyone. So
buffalo expert, Where are you goingnext? Where? Actually we come to
the park Yilstone Park, hang outin Jackson Wolf for a while where he
were done smalls in Glee at theirhouse in Cody. Cody's a great place.
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We're going here to share triggering Joeand Marcus his place and hanging out
there for the rodeo. Then we'regoing to Jilt to hang out with Doug
Michelson and we're going to Belfus andalso Deadwood to hang out for Deadwood Pro
Rodeo, a bunch of friends,Rapid City and head back to Arizona first
part of August, because right nowit's one hundred and fifteen down there.
You don't want to be down therein the seat. I love the heat,
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I love Arizona, I love SouthDakota, but he's just too cold
for me nowadays. Yeah, Ihear, because what happened was I wasn't
racing the buffalo. I talk aboutracing buff in the old days. I
raced a buffalo in Calgary, Canada, and it was about sixty degrees.
The next race a following week,I had a race in Third Paradise in
Phoenix, Arizona. It was onehundred and fifteen degrees, and the buffal
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when I took him to the racetrack, it's like putting a human in
a sauna for three days. Hewas so wet. He was just wet,
like he put him under garden hose. So when he raced, he
did a very poor job because hewas dehydrated and just worn down. So
I knew at that time, ifI want to race buffalo against racehorse,
you have to be in a warmerclimate. You can always put a blanket
on and take a north if youwant to, but you can't shave their
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hair up because you come down overnight. And back in the old days when
I was raising the buffalo was veryprofitable at the time. Tell her how
you found your first buffalo. Ihad thirty had a buffalo on a reservation
South Dakota, and somebody shot thecow with twenty two and took about three
or four days for to die.And during that time when and when I
found her, then the calf wassucking on her, but she was already
dead. The calf's about a dayold. It wasn't orphan calf. That's
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how I was all started. Itwasn't I was there a planning train buffalo,
having buffalo, but not trained buffalo. So I got the calf,
took it home, started feeding onthe bottle, and people said, what
are you gonna do with that calf? He says, we were trained to
ride. You can't train the buffalo. The heck if I can't. My
dad had one hundred and fifty hadhorses. We were trained horses all the
time. He didn't like you ridingthe same horse twice in one month,
because when they quit buckings time toget another one. So trained the buffalo
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wouldn't have been that hard, youwould think, but I did not know
how it went. But anyway,got the calf raised it, trained it
to ride like a saddle horse.I was hurting cattle with the buffalo,
and then I started team roping offthe buffalo. It was where you're chasing
the steer down, cowboy, andhe saw you rope the steer up.
We're doing off buffalo in Wyoming.And then the next thing, we just
started steer resting the buffalos where youcome out of the shoote together in the
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horse and he twist the steer down. And then, as it turns out,
they want to know the word gotout this buffalos are fast. Buffalo
all fast, but nobody's riding doingthat level. So some people want to
find match him in a horse racing. Gillett, Wyoming, Energy down.
It was just built. So Itook him there and I beat the horses,
and a month later I was inMiles City, Montana, did another
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race. Two months later I wasin Spokane, Washington or race there.
A month after then I'm in Seattle, Washington doing a race there and it
went around the country and it gotbigger and bigger. Now there are major
racetracks like Arlington Park in Chicago,Illinois, the nicest racetrack in Mario,
and I raced here three times.And the handle is amount of money debt
at a racetrack. The racetrack makestwenty one cents in every dour bed.
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Every time we went to a bigtrack and they promoted me, they could
raise are handled by a million dollars, which means by me being there that
day, they made two hundred andten thousand dollars just on amount of money
bet at the racetrack. Plus there'sadmission concessions, so they're probably pulling down
a third of a million more byhad made that day. It's amazing.
It's amazing. So what years wasthis There's in the eighties? Yeah,
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cool. So when he needed toget his buffalo out, tell her about
when you couldn't find a place totake the buffalo so you checked into a
hotel. This is it's not good. I was. I tried to get
into Buffalo bills grow football in NewYork. Yeah, but in the process
also trying to get in with theboulder. See Boulder. They're buffalo got
a female downe in the three cowboyseach side, taking around to six cowboys,
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and it's a female smaller one therewas just small because it can't take
a big one. And sometimes guysare being drug around the field. But
now I want to ride to Buffalo. And tried to get into Boulder,
Colorado a bunch of years. Asit turns out, I funny. Somebody
called him to say at a buffle, I think the guy's kind of fruit.
Definitely, I'm not. So Itook the buffalo to Denver, but
I got you shoot me to Boulder, Colorado, and I got a late
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start, but the buffal was sodarned tame it's unreal. Were usually I
trying to find a ranch house beforebefore we get to the right town.
There was Fronter Fremont being filmed atthe Bouf ranch right south the Gillette,
so I stopped there and that tooka few hours. So the time I
got the buller it was dark.And now I'm looking for a place and
I couldn't find a place. Ifind lower rent hotel and I want a
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place in the back on the bottom, so I rented it and took the
buffle in the hotel room, andhe slept on the floor, and the
morning I walked him out, puthim back in the trail and went and
did the parade. Then I gotinto the football game. Can see in
the buffalo in their motel room motelin the back. It was a good
shirt. The time has a Tshirt the twin he's about twenty two hundred
pounds. You benefit the door.Okay, I'm so excited. This is
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a really epic story. Can youget this T shirt? Still? Okay?
Now this people want these T shirts. They you can't make this brand
of T shirt. It's a fiftyfifty mix. There's it's fifty percent cotton
in fifteen percent polyester. I knoweither way. So I have a limited
collection of them. Somebody wanted tobuy me out on all of these,
(19:07):
but I said, no, honey, but we give them to our family
and our friend. Okay, andlike some new ones. Okay, I
well one for sure, but let'smaybe we'll do some merchandise. Because here's
the thing I think people want tolearn about it. Yeah, that you
could have a buffalo and go teachat schools. Here's how you change the
future generation. You should have broughtyou teach when they're little, you change
their life to Cody Wyoming as itso, I was about five years old,
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I'd been coming to Jake Clark's mulesale. Do you know Jake Clark
and the mules? Okay, mydad raises mules too. I grew up
on a hunting ridge in Idaho,so it's coming here and I would go
to the mule sale every year,and I fell in love with Tody Wyoming.
They put me in the gun andshow when I was here at the
Spectator, and it changed my life. And that's why I do this podcast.
It's because it's important that the generationthat's younger. So if you have
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a classroom where you have a schoolsix o two buffalo, you call TC
and then you talk to him abouthow you get the buffalo there. That's
what we're talking about. Tell mewhat you're going to say. That's a
good thing about the schools. ButI think the real place for me to
be is in Yellowstone Park because alot of people in schools will play never
make it Yellowstone. What I wantto do. What we want to do
is do some kind of a seminarat Yellowstone. Okay, and hopefully save
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some people's lives, okay, becausethey're already in the park, and you'd
be surprised that people would think alittle bears break. They can walk up
to the barracks. They've got bearsbrown. That doesn't work that way.
And at the buffalo, same deal. You don't get up in it's like
a milk come and go pet itand then they get gored or trample or
hopefully not killed. But if Ican save so much life or save a
bunch of people from getting court,I think that's well with my time a
(20:37):
lifetime. When you get on airplanesand they have a safety thing, yeah
you could be that guy. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Park.
Just out to the park and Ihope you get on the bus and
then there's TC wherever, wherever andever then listen. It's another project that
he has going on is he's writinga book, and I think that would
be a stellar move to do asafety chapter. That would be not the
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stories, because he has stories outthe wild Zoo, if however, you
say that one, but the book. We are also working on doing documentaries
and we've had people contact him thatwant to do documentaries, and I have
a lot of the old VHS footagefrom the seventies, eighties, and nineties
before we had all the internet,and I've been working on getting remastered.
(21:25):
So once we get that, I'llput together and the new baby Buffalo Calf.
I think it could be really away to reach a lot of people
between having the book and the documentary. And there's been a lot of interest
in film a lot of people.And because of the hype of Yellowstone that
movie or the series on Paramount,everyone's a little more tuned into cowboy life.
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I'm not a cowgirl at all.I'm from Pittsburgh. But tone it
down, He's telling me with thishand. It's okay. I know boys
think they want to turn out,but you're right. Yeah, a book
and the documentary go on forever.She should bring us cheerier. I had
people in my life. I havean artist in my life, and sometimes
he does it. Yeah, wego through this, so I get it.
How can people get a hold ofyou in Buffalo? But where can
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they go to see more? Sowe have we got a card together and
there's a QR code on it,and if we put it on the screen,
possibly, if we can put onthe screen and I can put it
in the show notes, so I'llput a link to your stuffy I have
it. Yeah, yeah, it'sBuffalo Express LLC. Okay, perfect.
Way back when I had eight seveneight Buffalo and Train and my goal was
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at one time was Sigafer and Royfrom Vegas. They were always my heroes
in that sense because they made theBuffalo disappear and Buffalo Tigers and they're really
good at what they did. AndI try to get a job in Vegas
and guys said, how many Buffalogot a second? What's seven and train
right now? And he's how manypeople are you? And they said,
it's only me. The problem isthat if something was to happen to me
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get gored or something, the showwould stop. Yeah, you need more
people, but Buffalo is something Theyare one person animal at best and not
you can't put people out there totrain him like maybe with Tigers, and
that's why that didn't work. Butwe've had some different great experiences with the
Buffalo. But like I said,I'm always trying to prep safety to the
(23:14):
American people. Yeah, I loveit safe, She's to be American people.
TC. Thanks for being on.I have one other thing I want
to I feel like if I loveAmerica so much like we all do,
and the Buffalo is a representation ofthat, TC is an extension of the
Buffalo, and to get young menand women to feel the strength and the
pride of this country. His experiencesand the amount of work it took to
(23:37):
accomplish hit what he has done.This guy, look at these hands.
He stop it here, big andtough and strong, and he's a man.
But I feel that he could actuallymore over than educate people about Buffalo,
really school young men and women howto get in there and get the
fight in there and work butt offto accomplish great things and take pride in
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our nation and where we came fromand how many people have bought and served
kay give us this freedom in thisland. And I think he could be
a huge influence to making our countrymuch better on more large scale than just
Yellowstone Park. I think he's doingit for sure, And I think you
can run for governor. That's nice. I see they tell him, Jojo,
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I see. I love you someone, TC, Jojo, thanks for
being on today and the American PlayingSpion. If you want bison meat,
go look up google bison meat andbuy some today support the American Bison.
My name's Ashley Oakley. This isthe Cody Wyoming Podcast and you are listening
live. This episode is brought toyou by the Irma Hotel. I heard
you had a show. I heardyou had a show at the Irma Hotel.
(24:49):
Correct, that was about twenty twentysome years ago. It was a
funny story because that trip I tookoff to go two weeks out of town
from Arizona, and the trip almosttook eight wants to get home because we
went from California to Northern California toPortland to Idaho for a show. And
then the next show I had wasat the erm Motel in Cody, Whelming
So now I've got a GOLLI travel, a big pink truck and trader.
(25:12):
And on the side of the traderthis is funny story. The side trailer
is a picture of a racing buffalo. So coming to the park, you
can't come to the park with acommercial vehicle. And I talked to the
guy and I said, this isthe funny part. I said, no,
we're not doing commercial stuff. We'rejust going to Cody wellm to rope
off rope with the buffalo rope offof the buffalo a rodeo and was really
(25:32):
coming here to do a promotional eventfor erm Motel. Then the guy park
guy went back and forth and finallythey got a hold of the right guy,
and so we'll let you come throughon two conditions, And I said,
sure, what is it? Hesaid, Number one, you can't
stop and let your buffalo in thepark. I said, not a problem.
And then number two thing he said, and I said, could you
tell me out again because I didn'tget her you can't stop and write our
(25:53):
buffalo And I said, trust me, that is not You got to get
a calf at day one to tryto train him to maybe work out.
But I mean when we got throughthe park, let gladly let us do
the park. They're great people,come here, did the show, and
we end up going on that trip. We went to I think it was
somewhere in men first South Dakota andthen Minnesota. We end up going down
(26:14):
to Olympics Atlantic City, and asit turns out, we reversed a trip
on the way back because there wasmore shows exactly where we came from,
because people seen the show and theywanted to hire me back again. So
who hired you at the hotel.Steera Hotel called and said, hey,
they want you to be here.I don't want to do the gun showing
gun shot outside. It's a greatshow. The gun people do a great
Wild West reenactment the gun fighters.Yeah, wild Bunch. Dec is also
(26:37):
a world champion mounted shooter off abuffalo Cowboys and guns. So I won
the world at that three times inthe national twelve times at that and during
our wild Way show, the buffalogoes to the ring of fire and then
Jojo hold to bloom in her mouthand i'd low buffalo adder and shoot to
target over. I color my facewith a belt hat. Well, I'm
well, I'm loping the buffal Atter, I pull out a rifle, a
pistol target out of her mouth.He shoots a balloon out of my best
(27:00):
also going full tilt on about hellongand go to the seven before COVID.
Is it on YouTube? Yeah,it's on. If you show him the
QR card, you'll see that onthe card. But also the reason,
in the process of trying to makethe show as good as it good,
I bought a big I had alwaysbig stuff, but I had a big
trailer. But the trader is fiftythree feet long. There's a scissor ram
outside the buffalo inside too. Hefabricated it. It's an elevator. Put
(27:25):
the ram inside the trailer. It'lltake five thousand pounds of weight up or
down three seconds. So in thevideo, if you show him the QR
card, you'll see the buffalo comeout of the trailers for a card of
smoke. He does a show andhe goes back on top two and poof
three seconds, He's gone, yeah, did you do Presston night Rodeo?
I have yep. I think Isaw you that when I was a kid.
Is that right? I'm one hundredpercent sure. Oh that's their wild
(27:47):
that's thirty seven. I grew upthere in my whole life. I'm sure
I did same when you were two. Tiny. Yeah, I've been at
this for fifty five years. Wehave a pink Semi and we'll be driving
down the highway and people will callTC, are you in back in town?
Ido? Are you in Wyoming?Are you in Montana? Everyone recognized
it's his gear. I'm the onlyguy thinking the world bought a freight liner
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truck and driving the same bought it, knew is still driving it twenty six
years later. I picked it outon the inside. The rocks are yellow.
It's amazing. It truly is tosee. It needs a little cleaning,
but it's fine. Those are sofun. This episode of Cody Wyoming
Podcast is sponsored by the IRMA hotel, the best place to stay in town.
Thanks again for the hotel. Youguys are the best.
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