August 18, 2024 Updateon Kohberger/Heuermann Gilgo Beach Murders

Update on Idaho College Murders and lates findings on Heuermann Gilgo Beach Murders

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey, Composition of the Killer Fans. Doctor Cassidy here, so
glad to be back. This is our first episode after
about a six month hiatus. As always, when we start
our recordings, just know that none of the things that
we talk about in the podcasts are meant to be
considered a clinical diagnosis. Now today we're going to talk

(00:32):
a little bit about Brian Coburger, and about four days
ago there was an update on his case. There's really
not been a lot said about it because it is
they are under a gag order. But this particular happening

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is because Brian Coburger's attorneys are submitted emotion to change
the venue and have his trial moved out of Latau
County where the slangs took place. And I can understand
why they would want to do that. I mean, this
has been a when this first happened. This happened in

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November of twenty twenty two, which seems like forever in
a day ago, but in reality, I feel like it
was just six months ago, because I just can't believe
it's been almost two years. But he's been in jail
this entire time. Did not get bailed, and again there

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was a gag order. With everyone involved, So a lot
of a lot of the information that sometimes gets thrown
around for these cases we've not seen. We've seen lots
of repetition. We've seen tons of the same stuff just
written in a different way. We've seen pictures from different

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I mean, you can pull up you can just type
in Brian Koeberger and a million different options come up.
So you will see that type of thing, but you're
not going to see a lot of the new evidence.
You're not going to see a lot of the new
he I mean the hearings. They'll tell you they're going
to schedule a hearing, but it's probably not going to
be televised, and you're not going to see a lot
of that in this case. And I admire the judge

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for that. His name is John Judge. I admire him
for that because I think he's sticking to what is
going to make this case. It's going to be one
of those cases that it's going to be very difficult

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to overrule when they start if he gets convicted, if
they start doing when they start doing all of their gosh,
what is the word, I can't think of appeals, Kim,
come on their appeals, you know, he's got to really
follow the letter of the law. And in Idaho, you know,

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they they don't allow courts to be you know, trials
to be moved. He wants the prosecution wants to move
at three hundred miles away because to Boise and number one,
that would be incredibly expensive. And you know, the the

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prosecution is saying that that's nowhere. You go there, you're
going to get a jury that's not heard something about
this case. And I tend to agree with him. It's
been so highly publicized. Unless you're just someone who does
not pay attention to these kind of things, if you're
not interested in that, you'd probably be the perfect juror.

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But it's not going to be that now. According to
Idaho law, they can only move it to a nearby county,
and the prosecution did agree that if the judge thinks
that a change in venue is required, they would agree
to the neighboring county. And it's a very small county.

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I want to say, twenty five hundred residents or twenty
five hundred voters. It would be. I don't know that
it would be better than the largest city, which is
over five hundred thousand people, but I do think that.

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I do think the prosecution is going to win this hearing,
because I don't think that the judge is going to
agree to move it three hundred miles maybe to the
next county, but certainly not that far away. And just
think about that. The cost would be astronomical everyone involved.
I mean, how long is this going to long? Is
this case even going to be It could be two weeks,

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it could be two months, it could be eight months,
and you've got to house all the people this entire time.
I mean, it would be nuts and incredibly expensive, not
a good use of taxpayer money. The argument for that
would be, well, is it fair to mirind Cobroger because
he is innocent until proven guilty and deserves a fair trial.

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But that can be argued, which, of course is what
they're going to do. On August twenty ninth, they're going
to have that hearing. So I'll certainly give an update
after that hearing. But I'm going to tell you I
just don't think that they will be moving close to Boise.
I think they'll be If anything, they'll move to the
neighboring county. If you don't remember, if you don't remember

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the details of this case, certainly you can look it up,
but it's easy to find multiple articles on it. But basically,
Brian Coberger is accused of sneaking into a house at
four am and ambushing four University of Idaho students, some

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of whom were sleeping. The massacre killed twenty one year
olds Madison Mogan and Kaylee gun Calls, along with twenty
year olds Xana Kernoudle and Ethan Chapin. All four suffered
suffered suffered multiple wounds from a large knife. Coburger, at
the time was a twenty nine year old Pennsylvania criminology

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PhD student who was attending Washington State University in the
neighboring town of Pullman, which is about ten miles away
across the state line. Police arrested him at his parents'
house in the Pocono Mountains after he drove cross country
with his dad in the weeks following the murders. The
University of Idaho is in Moscow, Idaho, which is the

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seat of Latau County. Much of the case has been
conducted behind closed doors, as I said, with numerous filings
made under seal in a restrictive gag order, and I
think I honestly think all of these high profile cases
should be done that way. It's pretty typical for the

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defense team to request to move the trial, but it's
just very rare. That has to be very extenuating circumstances.
So I really feel like, I really do feel like
this the prosecution won't succeed in blocking that. But again

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we'll find out August twenty ninth, I'll give you an
update on that, and then let's talk about another update
I checked into. I did a podcast on that as well,
and it was the Rex Huerman, who's the Gilgo Beach
killing suspect is Actually they came out in June sixth

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saying that he now faces six new charges in death
spanning three decades, so he may end up being, if convicted,
one of the most successful prolific serial killers in our time.
He is. He is facing charges in the desk six

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women spanning three decades and multiple Long Island communities. After
he was convicted on two new murder charges on Thursday,
the latest development and an investigation that authorities in New
York say is far from over. So I mean he
you know, he pled not guilty to charges of second
degree murder in twenty excuse me in two thousand and three,

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in the two thousand and three death of Jsica Taylor
and the nineteen ninety three death of Sandra Castillo. The
sixty year old architect was taken by surprised by Thursday's
charges and he is in a bad place in terms
of the new charges. His attorney, Michael Brown, said that
after his client appeared in an Eastern Long Island courtroom,

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Hureman was remanded without bail and is expected on in
core July thirtieth. Well, that's already passed. One murderer is
obviously horrific and it's a difficult thing to defend, Brown said,
And now we're at six guests who are heard in
the courtroom as County Prosecutor Nicholas Santo Martino described the
disturbing content he said authorities discovered on Huerman's devices, including

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a planning document outlining a strategy for future killers. A
word document Hureerman allegedly created on a laptop in two
thousand and modified over several years, outlines how to dispose
of the body, avoid apprehension, and not leave DNA evidence,
along with what supplies may be needed to carry out
serial murder. According to the bail application, a section called

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body prep detailed steps to clean, dismember, and transport bodies,
while a post advanced section of a document appeared to
be a checklist of tasks to avoid apprehension, including having
a story set. According to the bail application, this was
a planning document used by Hureerman to methodically blueprint and

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plant out his kills with excruciating detail. His intent was
specifically to locate these victims, hunt them down, to bring
them under his control, and kill them, Suffolk County District
Attorney Raymond Tyranny said in a news conference after the
court appearance. Other evidence revealed Hureman's significant collection of violent
bondage and torture pornography, currently dating back to nineteen ninety four.

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Taylor's remains were discovered in part in Manorville in two
thousand and three, with more found along Ocean Parkway on
Gilgo Beach in twenty eleven. Manorville is around forty five
miles east of Gilgo At about forty miles east of
Massapequa Park, which is Huermann's hometown. Her remains were found

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face up, decapitated and her hands and arms severed below
the elbows. A tattoo had been obligated with this obliterated
with its sharp object. Tiany said Taylor was working as
a sex worker in New York City when she went missing.
The officials no Hureman was in the city the last
day Taylor was seen there, he added, so when Taylor

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failed to return home for her mom's birthday, her family
alerted law enforcement, and some of her body was recovered
the next day. Witnesses said they saw a dark colored
pickup near where her body was eventually recovered. According to
the bail application, Castilla's remains were found in north Sea
in nineteen ninety three by two hunters in the woods.

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According to the bail application, she was found on her
back with twenty five sharp force injuries believed to have
been imposed post Morno. Forensic testing performed on strands of
hair found on or near both Taylor and Castillo's remains
found that ninety nine points nine percent ninety nine point
ninety six percent of the North American population could be

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excluded as the source of the hairs that Humerman could not.
The bail application highlights that two different forensic laboratories determined
hairs recovered on. Five of the six charged victims were
tied to Heureerman, members of his immediate family, or to
people he lived with. According to the document, the Funite
Human is the individual murdered, stripped, restrained, and transported the

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remains of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Castillo, as well as
the Guilgo four, until they were each discovered in ninety three,
two thousand and three, twenty ten in twenty eleven. Hureman
was initially arrested in July twenty three and was charged
with murders and the killings of four women whose bodies
were discovered found with belts for tape and wrapped in

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burlap along its stretch of Long Island's Gilgo Beach in
twenty ten. Those victims, Melissa bartholemy Megan Waterman, Amber Castella,
and Maureen Reynard Barnes, became known as the Gilgo fur
and Human pled guilty to the charges related to all four.
The women were among at least eleven sets remains discovered

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near the waterfront in Long Island, Suffolk County. Since twenty ten.
Authorities have accused Hureman of leading a double life, with
his wife and children away for most of the alleged murders,
that allowed, that allegedly allowed Hureerman and fed her time
to excute his plans for each victim without any fear
of this family would uncover or learn of his involvement

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in these crimes. Less than a week after Humerman's arrest,
his wife out for divorced but since but she since
has said she does not believe that Huerman is capable
of the alleged crimes. In January, Brown told reporters the
former New York architect claimed he's not guilty of these
charges and looks forward to fighting the charges in court.

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Tierney announced Thursday that investigators have discovered a plethora of
new evidence that Huerman's massive Equal Park house, including cameras, computers,
hard drives, cell phones, and other devices. Detectives believe, based
on the tender characteristics of serial killers, that there may
be more alleged killings. According to officials briefed on the investigation,

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in most of these cases, a serial killer does not
start killing in its forties, and that is profiling for sure.
They probably don't start killing in their forties, but at
this point, that's where they picked this up. You know
that believes spread investigators to not let me expand their

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attempts to identify, identify unidentified victims, re examine dump sides,
and conduct additional searches of Puremen's home, but to also
begin re examining unsolved missing person cases. Investigators are also
looking at seemingly unrelated unsolved homicides where there may be
similarities among the victims, the crime scenes, or condition of

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the bodies. One law enforcement of officials said, we are
not near the end of this investigation. We're very much
at the beginning. So it's been a few years since this,
well business twenty three that this started. But as usual,
I do believe that you will see a lot a

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lot of new cases come up that they will try
to charge him with. I think that's just a matter
of time. And I mean, if he did it, I
hope that they're successful in doing that, because I mean,
anybody who's got anybody who has those kind of records

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and they have all these different plans written out or
we're on a we're document on a computer. I mean,
this is not something that's just randomly come up. Strange.
It's really strange. But I think he's kind of strange.

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Excuse me, I'm looking at some other articles. If you'll
go Beach Killing's breakthrough investigations link phone number in Rex
Herriman's planning document two of Bronx's sex worker. Oh my goodness,
so and this one actually has the this is the

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word document body prep that we talked about in that
other article. His bullet points on that. Wash the body
inside in all cavities. Remove TRACE's evidence, fingerprints and hair.
Remove traces, DNA remove id mars which would be tattoos

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in any of the marks scars. Remove marks from torture.
Remove head in hands and package for transport. Wow wow.
Things to remember sound travels, bird outside example of bird outside.
Control the amount of air in and out to control

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the noise made. Get sleep before hunts. Who tired creates problems,
get harder. Too many hits to take down. Consider a
hit to the face or neck next time for a takedown.
More sleep and noise control. More play equals more playtime.
Use push pins to hang drop claws from standing knot tape.

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Use heavy rope for neck light rope. What use heavy
rope for nick light rope? Broke under stress of being tightened. Wow, creepy.
That's really creepy. Hmm, this article is on radar and

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how old is it? August fifteenth of twenty twenty four.
Not old at all, So gosh, that's creepy. There's a
lot of information on here. The second we see more

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information on that word document problems that he has figured
out evidently. So here's a list of problems. DNA, tire marks, bloodstains, fingerprints,
mo which is plastic bag, cat litter, witness trace, source
of supplies, foot and shoe prints, photos, misleaders, please stop,

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truck stop, truck stuck, fingerprints and gloves, plastic bags matched
to bogs and hair and fiber. It makes me wonder
if he doesn't like if he didn't like research a
lot of these things and all these other killings where
you know, killers were found because of mistakes that they

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had made, and he would write that down like he
has a list of supplies which includes booties, lye and
acid of police scanner, rope and cord, a saw and
cutting tools, hairnets, photo film, burn can, foam, drain cleaner,

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body wash and wives tarts, drop cloths, medical gloves, bags, tape,
large electric clips, and ratchet cargo strip ough really really

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disturbing you want to check this out. I mean, it's
really he's really put a lot of thought and a
lot of detail into it. So I don't know how
you argue against those kind of things. I know that
there was one violent offender who had written, you know,

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significant notes kind of like this, and he ended up
saying that he was in the process of writing a
book and that was research. Well, that means that could
be true to some degree. But if you're suspected of

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killing somebody, the police have you in custody and they're
finding these things, I'd say the greater chance is that
you probably did it. Most normal people don't have these things.
If they are writing a book about it, it's typically
pretty obvious that they're maybe they're an author, maybe they

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have significant research. It's not just these few notes, you know.
I just feel like that's not a very good argument.
That is not a good argument. So anyway, there's going
to be I do believe there's going to be a

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ton of new information coming out about this as we
go along, So we'll keep up with that and hopefully
we will we'll have a pretty good podcast with some
new information on human as well. So I hope you've
enjoyed these. If you're interested in more information or actually

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seeing those check out. Just literally go google Humorman and
word document and that'll pop up. It's quite amazing. As always,
if you have questions or comments, you can email me
at doctor Kimberly Cassidy eighty nine at gmail dot com.
Be safe out there and have a great night.