January 12, 2025 • 53 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A composition of a killer fans. Doctor Cassidy. Here today
we're going to be talking about a list of serial
killers who used stalking to their benefit. They are known
stalkers and they made this list. Again, I don't think
this is an exhaustive list by any means, but it's
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a good list to start with. As always, when we
do this podcast, we are not making any clinical diagnoses.
We are just stating the facts and my professional opinion
on many of these things. So the first one on
the list is Adam Leroy Lane born in August seventh
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of sixty four. He's a convicted murderer and suspected serial
killer who is dubbed the Highway Killer because his crimes
took place near highways, which he frequently traveled due to
his job as a truck driver. He was born in
North Carolina, but he dropped out of high school and
later acquired a job as a truck driver and occasionally
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as a chicken plant worker. He lived in a trailer
with his wife and three daughters. Now he committed these
murders while he was making his way through the northeastern
United States during the summer of two thousand and seven.
He had a DVD inis truck of the two thousand
and two horror film Hunting Humans, about a serial killer
who stalks his victims before killing them with a knife.
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He also carried two large hunting knives, choke wire, and
a leather mask with the eyes and mouth cut out.
His first known victim was forty two year old Darlene Ewalt,
who was attacked in her home in suburban West Hanover Township,
Dauphin County, near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. She was stabbed and killed
at around two am on July thirteenth of two thousand
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and seven. At the time, she was on her patio
talking on the telephone, and Lane slid her throat and
stabbed her to death with a long knife while her
family was inside the house. Imagine walking out to that.
Lane's second victim was a woman named Patricia Brooks, whom
he stabbed on July seventeenth, just four days later in
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rural York County, Pennsylvania, as she was sleeping on her couch,
but she survived. His third victim was thirty eight year
old Monica Massorrow, who was killed in the bedroom of
her duplex in Bloomsbury, New Jersey. He cut her throat
and stabbed her in the head, neck, and chest, one
day before he was to commit his final crime. His
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final crime transpired on July thirtieth, same year, two thousand
and seven, when he made a stop on I four
ninety five in Chelmsford, Massachusetts. Clad entirely in black and
wearing a mask in gloves laying, broke into a house
and attacked fifteen year old Shane mcdonnoh with a fifteen
inch hunting knife. Her parents, Jeannie and Kevin, and awoke
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at four am to the sounds of her struggling. Her
one hundred and thirty five pound mother and one hundred and
sixty pound father were able to subdue the two hundred
and forty five pound Lane get a hold of his knife,
though the mother did suffer knife cuts. The Chelmsford police
were summoned and arrested Lane at the scene, where he
was being held in a wrestling lock by Kevin mcdonoe.
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While Lane's extensive trucking routes led some in law enforcement
to speculate that he was responsible for additional murders and
other parts of the county, this has not been proven,
and he has refused to comment on such speculation Excuse me.
Lane received a twenty five to thirty year sentence in
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Massachusetts for the attack of Shay mcdano, and in New
Jersey they sentenced him to fifty years for the murder
of Monica Massorrow. In Pennsylvania, he pled guilty in order
to avoid the death penalty, and he was sentenced to
ten to twenty years for the attempted murder of the
woman in York County and life for the murder of
Darlene E. Walt. He's serving a sentence in State Crictional
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Institution Fayette. So. This story has been on Dateline in
two thousand and nine and was also a forty eight
Hours mystery episode called Live to Tell Hunting Humans. The
case was also featured in episode two, season two of
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Not Mare next Door. In episode five, season seven of Castle.
In twenty thirteen, Shane mcdonnoe told her story in a
documentary titled I Survived a Serial Killer. It was also
featured in Readers Digest July twenty eleven in an article
entitled Caught in the Act. Also in season one of
The Coroner, I Speak for the Dead, episode two titled
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Call the Coroner. So this one received a lot of media. Yeah,
but you know, it's not one that I've actually it's
not one that I've actually been that familiar with. Excuse me,
I seem to remember something about the movie Hunting Humans.
But I'm sure he's not the only one who has
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been inspired by that movie to hunt humans. But I
mean virtually, that's what you're doing when you're stalking. You know,
you're obsessing, you are watching, you are conniving. All those
things go into stalking. So for for a very short
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period of time, he was pretty successful at it. Unfortunately,
now the next one on the list is Robert Hanson,
and I was mistaken. I have actually covered Robert Hanson.
His name is Robert Christian Bowse Hanson, and he was
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known as the Butcher Baker. He was one of the
first ones I did. That's probably why I can't remember.
But he was an American serial killer active in Anchorage, Alaska,
between seventy two and eighty three. He would have dubbed
rape and murder at least seventeen women during this time.
Many of the women abducted were released by Hanson into
the wilderness and Hudden with a Ruger Many fourteen and
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a hunting knives Hanson was captured in eighty three and
sentenced to four hundred and sixty one years imprisonment without
the possibility of parole. He died in twenty fourteen at
the age of seventy five. He was born in Esterville, Iowa,
on February fifteenth of nineteen thirty nine. He was the
eldest of two children to an American mother, Edna Margaret Hanson,
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and a Danish father, local baker Chris Hanson, which is
where he got his name. Butcher baker. Robert was employed
at his father's bakery from nineteen oh seven. Oh, I'm sorry,
that was his father's. He just says that he was
employed at the father's bakery and the family moved to Richmond,
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California in forty two, but returned to Iowan forty nine
and so settled in Pocahontas. In his youth, Hanson was
painfully shy and heed. He had a stutter, and he
suffered severe acme that left him permanently scarred throughout childhood
and adolescents. He was described as a quiet loner who
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had a difficult relationship with his domineering father. Hanson started
to practice both hunting and archery, often finding refuge in
those pastimes. In fifty seven, he enlisted in the United
States Army Reserve, served from one year before being discharged.
He later worked as an assistant drill instructor at a
police academy in Pocahontas, and then began a relationship with
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a younger woman, whom he married in the middle of
nineteen sixty. Now his first crimes were December seventh, nineteen sixty,
he was arrested for burning down a Pocahontas County isolewa
school bus garage as revenge for his unpopularity in high school.
He served twenty months of a three year sentence in
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Animosis State Penitentiary. During his incarceration, he was diagnosed with
manic depression with periodic schizophrenic episodes. The psychiatrist he made
the diagnosis noted that Hanson had an infantile personality and
was obsessed with getting back at people he felt had
wronged him. His wife fal for divorced while he was incarcerated.
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Over the next few years, Hanson was jailed several times
for petty theft, and then in sixty seven, he moved
to Anchriage, Alaska with his second wife, whom he married
in sixty three and with whom he had two children.
In Anchorage, he was well liked by his neighbors and
set several local hunting records. In seventy one, Hanson was
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arrested twice, first for abducting and attempting to rape an
an unidentified a housewife, then for raping an unidentified sex worker.
He pleaded no contest to assault with the deadly weapon
in the former offense, and the rape charge involving this
sex worker was dropped as part of the plea bargain.
That's one reason I hate plea bargains. Hanson was sentenced
to five years in prison. After serving six months of
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his sentence, he was placed on a work release program
and released to a halfway house. In seventy six, he
pled guilty to larceny after he was caught stealing a
chainsaw from an Anchorage Fred Meyers store. He was sentenced
to five years in prison and required to receive psychiatric
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treatment for his bipolar disorder. The Alaska Supreme Court reduced
his sentence and he was released with time served. This
is definitely one of those cases where I think we
can say safely that the system completely failed. Number one
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failed in his treatment. Number two failed, you know, failed
the American people because they kept releasing a man who
was a chronic or a habitual offender. And it wasn't
just stealing things. You know. He was convicted of rape
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as well. They believe he began killing around nineteen seventy two,
and his modus operandi was believed to have been to
stalk a woman to learn her habits, eventually picking her
up in his car and forcing her a gunpoint to
his home, where he would rape her. He may then
have taken the woman to a secluded area and hunted
her as if she were wild game, before shooting or
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stabbing her. Some of the women Hanson murdered were sex workers,
Many were teenagers, and it's believed by authorities that Hanson's
first murder victim was eighteen year old Celia van Zeene.
Van Zanton was kidnapped on December twenty second, seventy one,
and froze to death in the Wilderness Wilderness after escaping
from her abductor. Her body was discovered on December twenty fifth.
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The abduction occurred three days after Hanson committed his assault
on the sex worker, for which he was imprisoned. While
there are some similarities between Hanson's modus operandi and Van
Zanton's abduction, there's no conclusive evidence linking him to the attack,
and he himself denied involvement. On June thirteenth of eighty three,
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Hanson offered seventeen year old Cindy Paulson two hundred dollars
to perform oral sex. When she got into the car,
he pulled out a gun and drove her to his
home in Muldoon. There, he held her captive and proceeded
to rape and torture her. She later told police that
after Hanson chained her by the neck to a post
in his basement, he took a nap on a nearby couch.
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When he awoke, he put her in his car and
took her to meryl Field Airport. He told her that
he intended to take her out to his cabin, which
was basically a shack in the Nick River area of
the Mattinooska, to sit in a valley accessible only by
boat or bushplane. Paulson, crouched in the back seat of
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the car with her wrists cuvered in front of her body,
saw a chance to escape when Hanson was busy loading
the cockpit of his airplane. He had a Piper, a
Piper PA eighteen super cub, not unusual for people in
Alaska to have those, and while Hanson's back was turned,
Paulson crawled out of the back seat, opened the driver's
side door, and ran toward nearby Sixth Avenue. Paulson later
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told police that she had left her blue sneakers on
the passenger side floor of the sedan's back seat as
evidence that she had been in Hanson's car. Hanson panicked
and chased her, but Paulson reached sixth Avenue and managed
to fly down a passing truck. The driver, Robert Youngt,
alarmed by Paulson's disheveled appearance, stopped and picked her up.
He drove her to the mish Inn, where she jumped
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out of the truck and rain inside, and she pleaded
with the clerk to find her boyfriend at the Big
Timber Motel. You'll continued on to work, where he called
the police to report the incident. When Anchorage police arrived
at the mush Inn, they were told that Paulson had
taken a cab to the Big Timber Motel. Apd officers
arrived there and found Paulson in Room one tend still
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handcuffed and alone. She was taken to a APD headquarters,
where she described the perpetrator. Hanson, when questioned by APD officers,
denied Paulson's accusation, stating she was trying to cost trouble
for him because he would not pay her extortion demands.
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This excuse became one Hanson used on many other occasions.
But although he had several prior runnings with the law,
Hanson's meek demeanor and humble occupation as a baker, along
with an alibi from his friend John Henning, her persuaded
police not to consider him a serious suspect. Detective Glenn
Floth of the Alaska State Troopers had been part of
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a team investigating the discovery of several bodies in and
around Anchorage Seward and the Matanuska Susitna Valley area. The
first of the bodies were found by construction workers near
Eklutna Road. The body, dubbed Eklutna Annie by the investigators,
has never been identified. Later that year, the body of
Joanna Messina was discovered in a gravel pit near Seward
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and in eighty two, the remains of twenty three year
old Cherrymorrow were discovered in a shallow grave near the
Nick River. Floff believed all three women had been murdered
by the same perpetrator. Now, Floff contacted the FBI Special
Agent John Douglas and requested help with an offender profile
based on the three recovered bodies. Keep in mind, this
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was during the time when we had the FBI working
on the serial killer profiling, and so this is one
of the calls that they made or took that helped
with their helped with the process, and they were pretty
successful with it. Of course, Douglas thought the killer would
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be an experienced hunter with low self esteem, have a
history of being rejected by women, and would feel compelled
to keep souvenirs of his murders, such as a victim's jewelry.
He also suggested that the assailant might stutter. Using this profile,
Floth investigated possible suspects until he reached Hanson, who fit
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the profile and owned a plane. Supported by Paulson's testimony
in Douglas's profile, Floth and the ABT security warrant to
search Hanson's plane, vehicles, and home on October twenty seventh
of eighty three, investigators uncovered jewelry belonging to some of
the missing women, as well as an array of firearms
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and a corner hideaway of Hanson's attic, which included a
two twenty three caliber Ruger Mini fourteen semi automatic rifle.
Also found was an aeronautical chart with thirty seven little
X marks on it, hidden hidden behind Hanson's headboard. Many
of these marks matched sites where bodies had been found.
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Others were discovered later at the location's marked on Hanson's
murder map. When confronted with the evidence found in his home,
Hanson denied it as long as he could, but he
eventually began to blame the women and tried to justify
his actions, eventually confessing to each item of as evidence
as it was presented to him. He admitted to a
spree of attacks against Alaskan women starting in nineteen seventy one.
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Hanson's earliest victims were girls or young women, usually between
ages sixteen and nineteen, and not sex workers. Unlike some
of the victims who led to his discovery, is known
to have raped and assaulted over thirty Alaskan women and
to have murdered at least seventeen, ranging in age from
sixteen to forty one, although based on evidence, law enforcement
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suspect that Hanson killed at least twenty one female victims.
The following is a list of hanson known victims and
several other additional women who have been mentioned as possible victims.
Of these eighteen women, Hanson was only formally charged with
the murders of four, which happens very often. They may
think that they're responsible for forty, but they only get
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them for two, you know, and sometimes that's enough, you know,
if that's all they can get the evidence for, that's enough.
But most of the victims' families feel like that they're,
you know, their loved one was not vindicated because they
weren't put in jail specifically for those murders. And it
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typically just has to become enough that they're in jail
for whatever reason and not out in public. Sometimes even
you know, put to death doesn't make it easier, but
it is what it is, right. So there was Celia
Beth van Zanton, Meghan Zy. Excuse me if I do
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not pronounce these names correctly. They're very different. Meghan aalbon
Si Aalbon Emerick, Mary, Kathleen phil remember Ek, Lutna Annie,
which they've never really identified, but they found her on
Lutna Lake Road and at Lutna Anchorage, Alaska. Joanna Messina,
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Roxanne Eastland, Lisa Futrel, Sherry Morrow, Andrea Mona Fish, Alterry
Fish Being in quotations, Sue Luna, Robin Pelke, Delian Sugar,
Rene Frey, Paula Goulding, Cinda Paulson, Melee Larsen, Teresa Watson,
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Angela Lynn Federn, Tamra Tammy Peterson, and then he was
also charged with kidnapping and rape of Cindy Paulson. So
Once arrested, Hanson was charged with assault, kidnapping, multiple weapons offenses, theft,
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and insurance fraud. The last charge was related to a
claim to acclaim filed with the insurance company over the
alleged theft of some trophies. He used the proceeds to
purchase his plane. At trial, he claimed he later recovered
the trophies in his backyard but forgot to inform the insurer.
Oh my lord, Hanson entered into a plea bargain After
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ballistic tests returned a match between bullets founded the crime
scenes and Hanson's rifle. He pleaded guilty to the flour
homicides the police had evidence for, which was Maro Messino, Goulding,
and a Lutna Annie, and provided details about his other
victims in return for serving his senates in a federal prison,
along with no publicity in the press. That didn't go
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over well for him. Now I did it tons of
publicity on this. Another condition of the plea bargain was
his participation in deciphering the markings on his aviation map
and locating his victim's bodies. Hanson confirmed the police theory
of how the women were abducted, adding that he would
sometimes let a potential victim go if she convinced him
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that she would not report him to the police. He
indicated that he began killing in the early seventies. Hanson
showed investigators seventeen grave sites in and around south central Alaska,
twelve of which were unknown to investigators. There remained marks
on his map they refused to give up, including three
in Resurrection Bay near Seward. Authorities suspect two of these
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marks of the graves of Mary Thil and Megan Emmerick,
whom Hanson has denied killing. The remains of twelve of
a probable twenty one to thirty seven victims were exhumed
by the police and returned to their families. Hanson was
sentenced to four hundred and sixty one years in prison
without the possibility of parole, and he was first imprisoned
at the United States Penitentiary Louisbourg in Louisbourg, Pennsylvania. In
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eighty eight, he was returned to Alaska and briefly incarcerated
at Lemon Creek Correctional Center in Juno. He was also
imprisoned in Spring Creek Correctional Center in Seward until May
of twenty fourteen, when he was transported to the Anchorage
Correctional Complex for health reasons. Hanson died on August twenty
first of twenty fourteen, when he was transported to Anchorage
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Correctional Complex at the age of seventy five, and he
died due to natural causes. At Alaska Regional Hospital in
Anchorage had been confusing. He was moved around quite a
bit towards the end of his life. I guess depending
on what level of care he could get at different places,
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but he I guess he was at Spring Creek Correctional
Center in fourteen in May, this is when he started
getting pretty sick. Then Anchorage Correctional Complex for health reasons,
so it must have been a they must have offered,
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you know, greater care, and then died at Alaska Regional
Hospital in Anchorage. So three times in just a few
months he was moved and then died. So there's a
lot of films. There's films and documentaries about him, Naked Fears.
One of them Frozen Ground where John Cusack portrayed Hanson
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opposite Nicholas Cage. Very interesting. Vanessa Hudgens was the victim
survivor Cindy Paulson in that movie. And then the FBI
Files episode Hunters Game, the Alaska Ice cult Killers episode
Hunting Humans, Hidden City, Mark of the Killer, the Butcher Baker,
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Very Scary People, and Most Evil Killers. Mind Hunters of
course covered him at some point. It was the TV
series mind Hunters, not the Netflix show Criminal Minds covered
a similar episode, and then two episodes in Silent Witness
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was they were were inspired by him, so he's you know,
at the time they said he you know, part of
the plea agreement was that he would not get a
lot of press coverage. But that when when serial killers
and true crime became a huge thing, I think I
think everybody everybody picked up on making an episode or
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some sort of movie about him, because he really was
just horrific. Imagine being let loose in the wilderness in
Alaska and hunted like an animal, killed a you know,
shot or stabbed you know, and to look at Robert Hanson,
you would never know that he was even capable of
such a thing. He's such a mousey little man, but
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true enough, evil and very capable, as we know. The
next one on the list is Dennis Raider B. T. K.
He chose his victims very carefully, and he identified women
who fitish specific sexual fantasies. Then he stopped them over
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a period of time. He actually left a frightening note
for one intended victim who didn't come home the night
he planned to kill Harry read you weren't here because
I was the deetraitor. He prooritized targets who lived alone or
didn't lock their doors regularly. He killed whole families that
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it didn't have to be someone that lived alone. But
if he was going to stalk them, I guess certainly
those would be the easier targets. Right next on the
list would be Anders Breevic horrible story, horrible story, the Norwegian.
He's a Norwegian mass murderer, so I wouldn't I wouldn't
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really call him. He could be called serial killer, I guess.
I mean he fits that, but he much more fit.
He much more fits the characteristic of being a mass
murder because he killed seventy seven people, deadening detonating a
bomb at a government building. Then he shot dozens of
young people trapped on an island summer camp. So he
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did a lot of mass murdering his purpose. He's really
known as a terrorist. He even had a manifesto which
he published the day of the attack that declared his
enemies were feminism, Islam, and cultural Marxism. Pretty deep, deep
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thinking here, this guy, I don't know, but horrible childhood.
And you know, of course you're gonna hear me. Just
repeat this and repeat this and repeat this. These are
people who are gosh their products of their environment. Although
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this guy could go a long way in the argument
for nature versus he could have been born with some
of his mother's tendencies. Well, first, what he did was
he carried out the twenty eleven Norway attacks, in which
he killed eight people by detonating at Van Baum in Oslo,
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and then he killed sixty nine participants of a worker's
youth league summer camp in a mass shooting on the
island of Atoya. After Brevic was found psychologically confident to
san trial, his criminal trial was held in twenty twelve
and he was found guilty of mass murder, causing a
fatal explosion and terrorism. Brevic was sentenced to the maximum
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civilian criminal penalty in Norway, which is twenty one years
imprisonment through preventive detention, which is rehab allowing the possibility
of one or more extensions for as long as he
was deemed a danger to society. He began his criminal
history at the age of sixteen that we know of.
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In ninety five, he was arrested for spranging graffiti on walls.
He was not chosen for a conscription into the Norwegian
Armed Forces, and at the age of twenty he joined
the anti immigration Progress Party and chaired the local vest
Oslo branch of the use of the party's youth organization.
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In two thousand and two, he joined a gun club
in two thousand and five. He left the Progress Party
in two thousand and six, and then a company he
founded was later declared bankrupt. He had no declared income
in two thousand and nine and his assets were three
hundred and ninety thousand kroner, which is equivalent to seventy
two thousand and sixty three dollars according to Norwegian Tax
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Authority figures. He financed the terrorist attacks with a total
of one hundred and thirty thousand kroners, which he got
that money from nine credit cards. On the day of
the attacks, he emailed a compendium of texts and titled
two thousand and eighty three a European Declaration of Independence,
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describing his militant ideology. In them, he stated his opposition
to Islam and blamed feminism for a European cultural suicide.
It's always the women's fault, isn't it. The texts called
for the deportation of all Muslims from Europe, and Brevik
wrote that his main motive for the attacks was to
publicize his manifesto. Two teams of court appointed forensic psychiatrist
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examined Brevic before his trial, and the first team diagnosed
Brevic with paranoid schizophrenia, but after his initial finding was criticized,
a second evaluation concluded that he was not psychotic during
the attacks, but did have narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial
personality disorder. And you see more often, remember you see
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that antisocial personality disorder overwhelmingly in our serial killers. In sixteen,
Brevic one of partial victory in a lower court. However
the case was lost on appeal in a higher court.
Other than that, Brevic has repeatedly been unsuccessfully sued the
Norwegian Correctional Service and appeal to the European Convention on
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Human Rights over solitary confinement and refusal of parole, which
Brevic claims violated his human rights. People like that never
cease to amaze me. So. Brevick was born in Oslo
on February thirteenth of seventy nine, the son of Jens
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David Brevick, a civil economist who worked as a diplomat
for the Norwegian Navasity in London and later in Paris,
and Elizabeth Barring, a nursing assistant. He has a maternal
half sister named Elizabeth, and three paternal half siblings, Eric, Jen,
and Nina. He began his life in London until the
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age of one, when his parents divorced. His family name
is brit while bearing his mother's maiden name is his
middle name and not part of the family name. In
twenty seventeen, it was reported that he had changed his
legal name to Jotolph Hanson. When Breevick was aged four
and living in Oslo's Fraudner Borough, two reporters, two reports
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were followed expressing concern about his mental health. He was
four years old. Keep that in mind. A psychologist in
one report made a note of the boy's peculiar smile,
suggesting it was not anchored in his emotions, but was
rather a deliberates response to his environment. In another report
from Norway's National Center for Child and Adolescent Psychiatry SSHO,
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be You, concerns were raised about how Brevic was treated
by his mother. She sexualized the young Brevic, hid him,
and frequently told him that she wished that he were dead.
In the report, Bearing is described as a woman with
an extremely difficult upbringing, borderline personality disorder and an all encompassing,
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if only partially visible, depression, who projects her primitive, aggressive
and sexual fantasies onto Brevic. The report recommended he be
forcibly removed from his mother and placed into foster care,
as she was heavily emotionally and psychologically abusive towards him,
but this was not carried out by the Child Welfare Service,
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of course it wasn't. I mean, if two professionals are
telling you that this child needs to be taken away
for these very extreme reasons and you don't do it,
I don't understand how that's possible. Brevick's mother had fled
her abusive home at age seventeen, and soon after that
became a teenage mother. In her thirties, she became pregnant
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with Anders and married his father, Jen's Brevic. During her pregnancy,
she moved to London, where Gin's worked. Even for his birth. However,
brevis mother developed to disdain for her son. She claimed
that he was a nasty child and that he was
kicking her on purpose. She's definitely psychotic. She had wanted
to abort him, but by the time she went to
a hospital she had passed the three month threshold for
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an abortion. Psychologist reports later stated that she thought Breevick
was a fundamentally nasty and evil child and was determined
to destroy her. She stopped breastfeeding her son early on
because he was sucking the life out of her quote unquote.
A year after Breevick's birth, his parents' relationship ended. Brevicksmother
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and me back to Oslo, where she borrowed Jen Breevck's
apartment in the Frogner Borough. Neighbors claimed that there were
noises of fights and that the mother left her children
completely alone for extended periods of time while she was
working as a nurse. In eighty one, Brevick's mother applied
for welfare spending benefits, specifically monetary payment or financial aid.
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In eighty two, she applied for respite care for her son.
She says that she was overwhelmed with a boy and
unable to care for him. She described him as clinging
and demanding. Brevic was then placed in cooperation with the
Child Welfare Service with a young couple excuse me, who
later told police that the mother, when bringing two year
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old brivc to the house, had asked that he be
allowed to touch the man's penis because he had no
one to compare himself to in terms of appearance. He
has only ever seen girls parts. The mother told the couple.
According to the couple's undated statement to the police in
February of eighty three, on the advice of her neighbors,
Brevick's mother Sowt held from the National Center for Child
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and Adolescent Psychiatry and Brevic and his mother were outpatients
and then stayed there during the daytime for about one month.
The psychiatrist's conclusion of the stay was that Brivic should
be placed in the foster care system and had to
be removed from his mother for him to develop normally.
It was too late for that. Let me tell you
this based on several observations. Brevic had little emotional engagement
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and did not show joy or cry when he was hurt.
He also made no attempts to play with other children,
and was extremely clean and became anxious when his toys
were not in order. Psychologists believed that Brevic's mother had
punished him and reacted extremely negatively to him displaying emotions,
leading him to become devoid of any visible emotions. His
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mother had also claimed that he was unclean and that
she constantly had to care for him. Psychologists believed that
Brevic had developed obsessive compulsive disorder because of fear of
punishment from his mother makes complete sense, complete sense. Some
people are born naturally with this overwhelming obsessive disorder, and
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other people developed it just because of the way they
were treated. He did not show the normal level and
the uncleanliness of a four year old, and had no
repertoire on how to express emotions normally. On rare occasions,
his life long phases of emotional voidness would be interrupted
by fits where he would erupt and display extreme, uncontrolled emotions.
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Reports of the staff said that his mother had told
Brevic that she wished he was dead while she knew
that she was being observed by health personnel. At the
same time, she bound him emotionally to her, alternating between
great affection and extreme cruelty from one moment to the next.
Some nights, Brevic and his mother would share the bed
with close body contact. The psychiatrists concluded this was an
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unacceptable situation for a four year old to be in,
and the report from eighty three stated Anders is a
victim of his mother's projections of paranoid aggression, aggressive and
sexual fears towards men in general, and she projects onto
him her own primitive aggressive and sexual fantasies all the
qualities in men that she regards as dangerous and aggressive.
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Preevick reacted very negatively to his mother and alternated between cleanliness,
petty aggression, and extremeishness. The final conclusion of the observation
was that the family is in dire need of help.
Andrews should be removed from the family and given a
better standard of care. The mother is provoked by him
and remains in an ambivalent position which prevents him from
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developing on his own terms. Andrews has become an anxious,
passive child that averts making contact. He displays a manic
defense mechanism of restless activity and a feigned deflecting smile.
Considering the profoundly pathological relationship between Andrews and his mother,
it is crucial to make an early effort to ward
off a severely skewed development in the boy. However, child
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Welfare services did not follow this recognition. Instead, he was
placed in respite care only during the weekends. Listen, let
me tell you something. I know that. Of course this
is over in Norway, but even here in the United States,
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the law states is the ultimate goal is to return
children to their families if they've been taken away for
whatever reason, the ultimate goal is to bring them back
to their families. And I can tell you I have
seen it. I have experienced it with families that I
serve and work with, foster families who work with who
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keep you know, children who are in these horrible situations,
and always returning children to their families is not a
good idea. There may be, on the rare occasion, families
that actually try very hard to make a decent home
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for a child and work very hard to make things
right after the child has been removed from the home,
but keep in mind, once a child is removed from
the home, there's been there's something very significant has had
to have occurred before they get removed from the home,
and that's significant in and of itself. Putting them back
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in the home, to me is preposterous. It's preposterous. And then,
and this is a great example of that. You know,
they were told twice, at least twice, that he needed
to be removed from his family, specifically his mother, and
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they did not listen. I don't know why they even
bothered having him observed, and all of the things that
they made him go through for those diagnoses. Why would
you even do that if you weren't going to listen
to what the professionals had to say about it. It's ridiculous.
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So when Brevic's father learned the situation, he filed for custody,
and although Brevick's mother had agreed to have him put
in respite care, after Jens had filed for custody, she
demanded that we put back into full custody with her.
Both the mother and father involved lawyers, and eventually the
case was dropped because because the welfare services thought that
they would not be able to provide enough evidence in
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court to warrant the placement of Brevic and foster care.
One of the main reasons for this was the testimony
of staff from the Vigilant Sparkan nursery, which Brevic had
been attending since any one. They described him as a
happy child and claimed that nothing was wrong or had
been wrong with him all along. During all of this,
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the SSB you maintained their stance and said urgent action
is crucially needed to prevent a severely skewed development in
the boy. The SSBU wrote Child Welfare Services a letter
claiming that an order should be placed to have Brevic
removed by force in eighty four, and hearing in front
of the municipal Child Welfare Committee took place on whether
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Brevic's mothers should lose custody of him. The Child Welfare
Service lost the case. The agency was represented by a
social worker with no prior experience of representing case in
front of the committee. It was ruled that the family
should be supervised. However, after only three visits, the supervision
was discontinued. Breviick was never again put into respite care
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or foster care. Talk about a complete and total abuse
of the system and a failure of the system. Unbelievable, unbelievable.
You know you look at these. Of course, it's easy
to sit here and read about it and talk about
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it and have an opinion when we know the outcome.
But I don't understand why an agency who's been told
multiple times by professionals that a child needed to be
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forcefully removed from home would ignore that. I just don't
understand it. This child was incredibly abused and it could
have been stopped. I mean, was the fact is he
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was already he already had experienced severe trauma before they
got involved. You know before the state got involved, that
they didn't do anything once they got involved, really, so
I think they potentially made it worse, you know, So
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I think it's I think it's just lots of these
things could be prevented if we would listen to the
professionals who do this for a living, and court systems
don't let people out for good behavior and don't let
people out because they've met there, maybe because they've met
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the time limit, but if they haven't rehabilitated, they shouldn't
be let out. You know, it's just ridiculous. And this
is a very good example. This is an excellent example
of how a child that's abused to this level what
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he can grow up to be. You know, I don't know,
it's horrible, but he's on the list for a good
reason obviously. And then we have Richard Chase, the vampire
of Sacramento. He told police that he chose only victims
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whose doors were unlocked, and he said he considered an
unlocked door sign that this victim wanted him to enter.
Chase killed at least six people, drank their blood, and
sometimes ate their flesh. Richard Chase was also His modus
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operandi was similar to Ramirez the night stalker, he if
he came across an unlocked door, he would go in
thinking that he had been invited in because the door
was unlocked. And we joke about that. I don't know
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if we joke about we talk about that around here
in you know the South, where years and years and
years ago no one ever locked their doors ever. You know,
you'd go to bed with your front door wide open
and your storm door unlocked, go to bed, not even
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think about it because as you knew, you'd be safe.
And now, of course we know that there are people
who literally go around and look for if the door's unlocked,
they'll come in and probably kill you or victimize you
in some way. Same thing with cars. You know a
lot of people who still steal cars or still things
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out of cars do so because the car is unlocked.
And you know a theft or damage can be prevented
if you'd simply lock the door. So you know this.
If this doesn't teach you anything else, let it be
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a reminder to always lock your doors on your in
your house, your windows, make sure those are always locked.
And if you leave them open for any reason, you know,
beautiful day and you leave your windows open. Don't do
it when you go to bed Uletus you live on
the second floor, and then you're okay, but you definitely
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don't want to do it where you're easily accessible to
someone who wants to crawl through the window. We just
live in a day and time where you can't do it.
You just can't do it. Next, we have Ashley Mervin Coltson.
He was an Australian killer who picked two victims after
they put an ad in the newspaper. Two students were
looking for a third person to share their house. Colton
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answered the ad and forced the two women into separate rooms.
The brother in law of one of them when women
was there at the time, and Colson forced him into
a third room. All three were hogtied and shot. No
motive has ever been established, but Coltson went on to
attempt to abduct another couple about a month later, but
was stopped by nearby security guards. Now would I call
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this stalking, HM, maybe not put an ad in the paper.
It seems to me like he would be more of
an opportunist. He saw the opportunity and he took it.
I don't consider this stalking. Calling to Ireland is on
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the list, of course, and he stocked his victims in
gay bars, choosing men who were willing to be tied
up as part of a sexual game. He claimed he
was not gay and his motivation was not sexual. Rather,
he said it was easier to kill someone when they
willingly allowed themselves to be restrained. Ireland killed at least
five men and died in prison. Well, here's a good
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lesson for all of us as well. Similar, although this
was an Ireland, similar to some of the other cases
that we've had where men would target other gay men.
Sometimes they would do it out of because they themselves
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were gay and they wanted to punish people. But keep
in mind that everybody that does these things, everyone who
does these type of crimes, are psychotic. So they don't
think clearly like we do, right, They don't think logically.
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They may be very intelligent, some of them very intelligent,
most of them are not. I've heard a lot of
people say, oh, yeah, serial killers are incredibly smart. No
they're not. They don't have really high IQs, not all
of them do. And if they got caught, certainly they're
not that smart, right, But they just have a different
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way of thinking. And you know, That's one of the
reasons why in mind Hunter, you see the FBI when
they're forming all of these conclusions, they don't make definitive
decisions until they have interviewed a lot of people, a
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lot of people. And you know, thank goodness that they
had someone who knew how to do proper scientific research,
because you don't want to make assumptions about things unless
you have the proper information to back up that. Whatever
your result is overwhelmingly statistics, and we know they can
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be manipulated, but if you have the data to back
those up, then it can be It can be used
for very beneficial things. And that's what's happened with the
profiling with the FBI. They're very successful with that. It works,
you know, it works because people who are serial killers,
people who are violent offenders, you know, like Ireland and
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these others that we've talked about, they have very similar
ways of thinking and it helps to figure out who
they you know, profiling them, it helps to profile them.
So sad but true. Gary Ridgeway, of course we know,
is the Green River killer. Again. You can go into
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my archives and find on composition of a killer. You
can find Gary Ridgeway, the Green river Killer fairly early,
so it's a really old podcast, but all the information
is still the same. Of course, he would target vulnerable
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women like prostitutes and runaways. He would pick him up
on the highway, and that's probably why he was so
successful before he got caught, because vulnerable people in this
instance are people who you know, they run away. People
aren't looking for them like they would be. Like if
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my kid didn't come out from school today, I'd immediately
be looking for that kid. But if my kid ran
away and had been gone for two weeks or two months,
I might not be looking for him in that immediate area.
I would certainly be looking for him in whatever way
I could be. But if the police consider them a runaway,
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they don't take it that seriously, so they don't they
don't look for these people, and so they're able to
be abused and killed and hidden, and by the time
somebody finds them, if they ever do, it's been months
or years and a lot of the evidence is destroyed. So,
you know, picking people who aren't easily missed is a
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strategy that many of our serial killers and violent offenders use.
He was convicted of forty nine murders and heard of,
and I even said earlier, we typically do not see
serial killers, or I mean, even if it was just
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one person, you know, you don't see them being convicted
of a lot of things because usually if they can
just get one or two and get that person in
jail for life, they stop. Number one, it costs too
much money and they may not have all of the
necessary proof to prove all of those. But he was
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convicted of forty nine murders, but it's believed that he
may have killed twice that number. So he himself said
he killed so many women that he has trouble keeping
them straight. Very sad childhood again, you know, he had
one of the worst childhoods of people we've discussed. His
mother was very abusive. He took out his frustrations with
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his mother on all of these women. He seemed like
such a very low key, calm person. But once he
got himself into the situations where he had kidnapped, the
woman usually raped them or had sex with him because
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they were sex workers, and he would pay them and
then kill them. But I mean once he once he
got into it, he became just an animal. So he
was pretty horrific, pretty horrific and a terrible childhood at that,
So check that one out if if you're interested in
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more on the Green River killer
A composition of a killer fans. Doctor Cassidy. Here today
we're going to be talking about a list of serial
killers who used stalking to their benefit. They are known
stalkers and they made this list. Again, I don't think
this is an exhaustive list by any means, but it's
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a good list to start with. As always, when we
do this podcast, we are not making any clinical diagnoses.
We are just stating the facts and my professional opinion
on many of these things. So the first one on
the list is Adam Leroy Lane born in August seventh
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of sixty four. He's a convicted murderer and suspected serial
killer who is dubbed the Highway Killer because his crimes
took place near highways, which he frequently traveled due to
his job as a truck driver. He was born in
North Carolina, but he dropped out of high school and
later acquired a job as a truck driver and occasionally
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as a chicken plant worker. He lived in a trailer
with his wife and three daughters. Now he committed these
murders while he was making his way through the northeastern
United States during the summer of two thousand and seven.
He had a DVD inis truck of the two thousand
and two horror film Hunting Humans, about a serial killer
who stalks his victims before killing them with a knife.
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He also carried two large hunting knives, choke wire, and
a leather mask with the eyes and mouth cut out.
His first known victim was forty two year old Darlene Ewalt,
who was attacked in her home in suburban West Hanover Township,
Dauphin County, near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. She was stabbed and killed
at around two am on July thirteenth of two thousand
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and seven. At the time, she was on her patio
talking on the telephone, and Lane slid her throat and
stabbed her to death with a long knife while her
family was inside the house. Imagine walking out to that.
Lane's second victim was a woman named Patricia Brooks, whom
he stabbed on July seventeenth, just four days later in
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rural York County, Pennsylvania, as she was sleeping on her couch,
but she survived. His third victim was thirty eight year
old Monica Massorrow, who was killed in the bedroom of
her duplex in Bloomsbury, New Jersey. He cut her throat
and stabbed her in the head, neck, and chest, one
day before he was to commit his final crime. His
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final crime transpired on July thirtieth, same year, two thousand
and seven, when he made a stop on I four
ninety five in Chelmsford, Massachusetts. Clad entirely in black and
wearing a mask in gloves laying, broke into a house
and attacked fifteen year old Shane mcdonnoh with a fifteen
inch hunting knife. Her parents, Jeannie and Kevin, and awoke
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at four am to the sounds of her struggling. Her
one hundred and thirty five pound mother and one hundred and
sixty pound father were able to subdue the two hundred
and forty five pound Lane get a hold of his knife,
though the mother did suffer knife cuts. The Chelmsford police
were summoned and arrested Lane at the scene, where he
was being held in a wrestling lock by Kevin mcdonoe.
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While Lane's extensive trucking routes led some in law enforcement
to speculate that he was responsible for additional murders and
other parts of the county, this has not been proven,
and he has refused to comment on such speculation Excuse me.
Lane received a twenty five to thirty year sentence in
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Massachusetts for the attack of Shay mcdano, and in New
Jersey they sentenced him to fifty years for the murder
of Monica Massorrow. In Pennsylvania, he pled guilty in order
to avoid the death penalty, and he was sentenced to
ten to twenty years for the attempted murder of the
woman in York County and life for the murder of
Darlene E. Walt. He's serving a sentence in State Crictional
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Institution Fayette. So. This story has been on Dateline in
two thousand and nine and was also a forty eight
Hours mystery episode called Live to Tell Hunting Humans. The
case was also featured in episode two, season two of
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Not Mare next Door. In episode five, season seven of Castle.
In twenty thirteen, Shane mcdonnoe told her story in a
documentary titled I Survived a Serial Killer. It was also
featured in Readers Digest July twenty eleven in an article
entitled Caught in the Act. Also in season one of
The Coroner, I Speak for the Dead, episode two titled
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Call the Coroner. So this one received a lot of media. Yeah,
but you know, it's not one that I've actually it's
not one that I've actually been that familiar with. Excuse me,
I seem to remember something about the movie Hunting Humans.
But I'm sure he's not the only one who has
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been inspired by that movie to hunt humans. But I
mean virtually, that's what you're doing when you're stalking. You know,
you're obsessing, you are watching, you are conniving. All those
things go into stalking. So for for a very short
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period of time, he was pretty successful at it. Unfortunately,
now the next one on the list is Robert Hanson,
and I was mistaken. I have actually covered Robert Hanson.
His name is Robert Christian Bowse Hanson, and he was
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known as the Butcher Baker. He was one of the
first ones I did. That's probably why I can't remember.
But he was an American serial killer active in Anchorage, Alaska,
between seventy two and eighty three. He would have dubbed
rape and murder at least seventeen women during this time.
Many of the women abducted were released by Hanson into
the wilderness and Hudden with a Ruger Many fourteen and
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a hunting knives Hanson was captured in eighty three and
sentenced to four hundred and sixty one years imprisonment without
the possibility of parole. He died in twenty fourteen at
the age of seventy five. He was born in Esterville, Iowa,
on February fifteenth of nineteen thirty nine. He was the
eldest of two children to an American mother, Edna Margaret Hanson,
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and a Danish father, local baker Chris Hanson, which is
where he got his name. Butcher baker. Robert was employed
at his father's bakery from nineteen oh seven. Oh, I'm sorry,
that was his father's. He just says that he was
employed at the father's bakery and the family moved to Richmond,
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California in forty two, but returned to Iowan forty nine
and so settled in Pocahontas. In his youth, Hanson was
painfully shy and heed. He had a stutter, and he
suffered severe acme that left him permanently scarred throughout childhood
and adolescents. He was described as a quiet loner who
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had a difficult relationship with his domineering father. Hanson started
to practice both hunting and archery, often finding refuge in
those pastimes. In fifty seven, he enlisted in the United
States Army Reserve, served from one year before being discharged.
He later worked as an assistant drill instructor at a
police academy in Pocahontas, and then began a relationship with
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a younger woman, whom he married in the middle of
nineteen sixty. Now his first crimes were December seventh, nineteen sixty,
he was arrested for burning down a Pocahontas County isolewa
school bus garage as revenge for his unpopularity in high school.
He served twenty months of a three year sentence in
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Animosis State Penitentiary. During his incarceration, he was diagnosed with
manic depression with periodic schizophrenic episodes. The psychiatrist he made
the diagnosis noted that Hanson had an infantile personality and
was obsessed with getting back at people he felt had
wronged him. His wife fal for divorced while he was incarcerated.
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Over the next few years, Hanson was jailed several times
for petty theft, and then in sixty seven, he moved
to Anchriage, Alaska with his second wife, whom he married
in sixty three and with whom he had two children.
In Anchorage, he was well liked by his neighbors and
set several local hunting records. In seventy one, Hanson was
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arrested twice, first for abducting and attempting to rape an
an unidentified a housewife, then for raping an unidentified sex worker.
He pleaded no contest to assault with the deadly weapon
in the former offense, and the rape charge involving this
sex worker was dropped as part of the plea bargain.
That's one reason I hate plea bargains. Hanson was sentenced
to five years in prison. After serving six months of
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his sentence, he was placed on a work release program
and released to a halfway house. In seventy six, he
pled guilty to larceny after he was caught stealing a
chainsaw from an Anchorage Fred Meyers store. He was sentenced
to five years in prison and required to receive psychiatric
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treatment for his bipolar disorder. The Alaska Supreme Court reduced
his sentence and he was released with time served. This
is definitely one of those cases where I think we
can say safely that the system completely failed. Number one
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failed in his treatment. Number two failed, you know, failed
the American people because they kept releasing a man who
was a chronic or a habitual offender. And it wasn't
just stealing things. You know. He was convicted of rape
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as well. They believe he began killing around nineteen seventy two,
and his modus operandi was believed to have been to
stalk a woman to learn her habits, eventually picking her
up in his car and forcing her a gunpoint to
his home, where he would rape her. He may then
have taken the woman to a secluded area and hunted
her as if she were wild game, before shooting or
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stabbing her. Some of the women Hanson murdered were sex workers,
Many were teenagers, and it's believed by authorities that Hanson's
first murder victim was eighteen year old Celia van Zeene.
Van Zanton was kidnapped on December twenty second, seventy one,
and froze to death in the Wilderness Wilderness after escaping
from her abductor. Her body was discovered on December twenty fifth.
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The abduction occurred three days after Hanson committed his assault
on the sex worker, for which he was imprisoned. While
there are some similarities between Hanson's modus operandi and Van
Zanton's abduction, there's no conclusive evidence linking him to the attack,
and he himself denied involvement. On June thirteenth of eighty three,
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Hanson offered seventeen year old Cindy Paulson two hundred dollars
to perform oral sex. When she got into the car,
he pulled out a gun and drove her to his
home in Muldoon. There, he held her captive and proceeded
to rape and torture her. She later told police that
after Hanson chained her by the neck to a post
in his basement, he took a nap on a nearby couch.
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When he awoke, he put her in his car and
took her to meryl Field Airport. He told her that
he intended to take her out to his cabin, which
was basically a shack in the Nick River area of
the Mattinooska, to sit in a valley accessible only by
boat or bushplane. Paulson, crouched in the back seat of
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the car with her wrists cuvered in front of her body,
saw a chance to escape when Hanson was busy loading
the cockpit of his airplane. He had a Piper, a
Piper PA eighteen super cub, not unusual for people in
Alaska to have those, and while Hanson's back was turned,
Paulson crawled out of the back seat, opened the driver's
side door, and ran toward nearby Sixth Avenue. Paulson later
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told police that she had left her blue sneakers on
the passenger side floor of the sedan's back seat as
evidence that she had been in Hanson's car. Hanson panicked
and chased her, but Paulson reached sixth Avenue and managed
to fly down a passing truck. The driver, Robert Youngt,
alarmed by Paulson's disheveled appearance, stopped and picked her up.
He drove her to the mish Inn, where she jumped
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out of the truck and rain inside, and she pleaded
with the clerk to find her boyfriend at the Big
Timber Motel. You'll continued on to work, where he called
the police to report the incident. When Anchorage police arrived
at the mush Inn, they were told that Paulson had
taken a cab to the Big Timber Motel. Apd officers
arrived there and found Paulson in Room one tend still
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handcuffed and alone. She was taken to a APD headquarters,
where she described the perpetrator. Hanson, when questioned by APD officers,
denied Paulson's accusation, stating she was trying to cost trouble
for him because he would not pay her extortion demands.
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This excuse became one Hanson used on many other occasions.
But although he had several prior runnings with the law,
Hanson's meek demeanor and humble occupation as a baker, along
with an alibi from his friend John Henning, her persuaded
police not to consider him a serious suspect. Detective Glenn
Floth of the Alaska State Troopers had been part of
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a team investigating the discovery of several bodies in and
around Anchorage Seward and the Matanuska Susitna Valley area. The
first of the bodies were found by construction workers near
Eklutna Road. The body, dubbed Eklutna Annie by the investigators,
has never been identified. Later that year, the body of
Joanna Messina was discovered in a gravel pit near Seward
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and in eighty two, the remains of twenty three year
old Cherrymorrow were discovered in a shallow grave near the
Nick River. Floff believed all three women had been murdered
by the same perpetrator. Now, Floff contacted the FBI Special
Agent John Douglas and requested help with an offender profile
based on the three recovered bodies. Keep in mind, this
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was during the time when we had the FBI working
on the serial killer profiling, and so this is one
of the calls that they made or took that helped
with their helped with the process, and they were pretty
successful with it. Of course, Douglas thought the killer would
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be an experienced hunter with low self esteem, have a
history of being rejected by women, and would feel compelled
to keep souvenirs of his murders, such as a victim's jewelry.
He also suggested that the assailant might stutter. Using this profile,
Floth investigated possible suspects until he reached Hanson, who fit
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the profile and owned a plane. Supported by Paulson's testimony
in Douglas's profile, Floth and the ABT security warrant to
search Hanson's plane, vehicles, and home on October twenty seventh
of eighty three, investigators uncovered jewelry belonging to some of
the missing women, as well as an array of firearms
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and a corner hideaway of Hanson's attic, which included a
two twenty three caliber Ruger Mini fourteen semi automatic rifle.
Also found was an aeronautical chart with thirty seven little
X marks on it, hidden hidden behind Hanson's headboard. Many
of these marks matched sites where bodies had been found.
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Others were discovered later at the location's marked on Hanson's
murder map. When confronted with the evidence found in his home,
Hanson denied it as long as he could, but he
eventually began to blame the women and tried to justify
his actions, eventually confessing to each item of as evidence
as it was presented to him. He admitted to a
spree of attacks against Alaskan women starting in nineteen seventy one.
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Hanson's earliest victims were girls or young women, usually between
ages sixteen and nineteen, and not sex workers. Unlike some
of the victims who led to his discovery, is known
to have raped and assaulted over thirty Alaskan women and
to have murdered at least seventeen, ranging in age from
sixteen to forty one, although based on evidence, law enforcement
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suspect that Hanson killed at least twenty one female victims.
The following is a list of hanson known victims and
several other additional women who have been mentioned as possible victims.
Of these eighteen women, Hanson was only formally charged with
the murders of four, which happens very often. They may
think that they're responsible for forty, but they only get
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them for two, you know, and sometimes that's enough, you know,
if that's all they can get the evidence for, that's enough.
But most of the victims' families feel like that they're,
you know, their loved one was not vindicated because they
weren't put in jail specifically for those murders. And it
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typically just has to become enough that they're in jail
for whatever reason and not out in public. Sometimes even
you know, put to death doesn't make it easier, but
it is what it is, right. So there was Celia
Beth van Zanton, Meghan Zy. Excuse me if I do
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not pronounce these names correctly. They're very different. Meghan aalbon
Si Aalbon Emerick, Mary, Kathleen phil remember Ek, Lutna Annie,
which they've never really identified, but they found her on
Lutna Lake Road and at Lutna Anchorage, Alaska. Joanna Messina,
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Roxanne Eastland, Lisa Futrel, Sherry Morrow, Andrea Mona Fish, Alterry
Fish Being in quotations, Sue Luna, Robin Pelke, Delian Sugar,
Rene Frey, Paula Goulding, Cinda Paulson, Melee Larsen, Teresa Watson,
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Angela Lynn Federn, Tamra Tammy Peterson, and then he was
also charged with kidnapping and rape of Cindy Paulson. So
Once arrested, Hanson was charged with assault, kidnapping, multiple weapons offenses, theft,
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and insurance fraud. The last charge was related to a
claim to acclaim filed with the insurance company over the
alleged theft of some trophies. He used the proceeds to
purchase his plane. At trial, he claimed he later recovered
the trophies in his backyard but forgot to inform the insurer.
Oh my lord, Hanson entered into a plea bargain After
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ballistic tests returned a match between bullets founded the crime
scenes and Hanson's rifle. He pleaded guilty to the flour
homicides the police had evidence for, which was Maro Messino, Goulding,
and a Lutna Annie, and provided details about his other
victims in return for serving his senates in a federal prison,
along with no publicity in the press. That didn't go
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over well for him. Now I did it tons of
publicity on this. Another condition of the plea bargain was
his participation in deciphering the markings on his aviation map
and locating his victim's bodies. Hanson confirmed the police theory
of how the women were abducted, adding that he would
sometimes let a potential victim go if she convinced him
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that she would not report him to the police. He
indicated that he began killing in the early seventies. Hanson
showed investigators seventeen grave sites in and around south central Alaska,
twelve of which were unknown to investigators. There remained marks
on his map they refused to give up, including three
in Resurrection Bay near Seward. Authorities suspect two of these
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marks of the graves of Mary Thil and Megan Emmerick,
whom Hanson has denied killing. The remains of twelve of
a probable twenty one to thirty seven victims were exhumed
by the police and returned to their families. Hanson was
sentenced to four hundred and sixty one years in prison
without the possibility of parole, and he was first imprisoned
at the United States Penitentiary Louisbourg in Louisbourg, Pennsylvania. In
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eighty eight, he was returned to Alaska and briefly incarcerated
at Lemon Creek Correctional Center in Juno. He was also
imprisoned in Spring Creek Correctional Center in Seward until May
of twenty fourteen, when he was transported to the Anchorage
Correctional Complex for health reasons. Hanson died on August twenty
first of twenty fourteen, when he was transported to Anchorage
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Correctional Complex at the age of seventy five, and he
died due to natural causes. At Alaska Regional Hospital in
Anchorage had been confusing. He was moved around quite a
bit towards the end of his life. I guess depending
on what level of care he could get at different places,
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but he I guess he was at Spring Creek Correctional
Center in fourteen in May, this is when he started
getting pretty sick. Then Anchorage Correctional Complex for health reasons,
so it must have been a they must have offered,
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you know, greater care, and then died at Alaska Regional
Hospital in Anchorage. So three times in just a few
months he was moved and then died. So there's a
lot of films. There's films and documentaries about him, Naked Fears.
One of them Frozen Ground where John Cusack portrayed Hanson
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opposite Nicholas Cage. Very interesting. Vanessa Hudgens was the victim
survivor Cindy Paulson in that movie. And then the FBI
Files episode Hunters Game, the Alaska Ice cult Killers episode
Hunting Humans, Hidden City, Mark of the Killer, the Butcher Baker,
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Very Scary People, and Most Evil Killers. Mind Hunters of
course covered him at some point. It was the TV
series mind Hunters, not the Netflix show Criminal Minds covered
a similar episode, and then two episodes in Silent Witness
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was they were were inspired by him, so he's you know,
at the time they said he you know, part of
the plea agreement was that he would not get a
lot of press coverage. But that when when serial killers
and true crime became a huge thing, I think I
think everybody everybody picked up on making an episode or
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some sort of movie about him, because he really was
just horrific. Imagine being let loose in the wilderness in
Alaska and hunted like an animal, killed a you know,
shot or stabbed you know, and to look at Robert Hanson,
you would never know that he was even capable of
such a thing. He's such a mousey little man, but
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true enough, evil and very capable, as we know. The
next one on the list is Dennis Raider B. T. K.
He chose his victims very carefully, and he identified women
who fitish specific sexual fantasies. Then he stopped them over
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a period of time. He actually left a frightening note
for one intended victim who didn't come home the night
he planned to kill Harry read you weren't here because
I was the deetraitor. He prooritized targets who lived alone or
didn't lock their doors regularly. He killed whole families that
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it didn't have to be someone that lived alone. But
if he was going to stalk them, I guess certainly
those would be the easier targets. Right next on the
list would be Anders Breevic horrible story, horrible story, the Norwegian.
He's a Norwegian mass murderer, so I wouldn't I wouldn't
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really call him. He could be called serial killer, I guess.
I mean he fits that, but he much more fit.
He much more fits the characteristic of being a mass
murder because he killed seventy seven people, deadening detonating a
bomb at a government building. Then he shot dozens of
young people trapped on an island summer camp. So he
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did a lot of mass murdering his purpose. He's really
known as a terrorist. He even had a manifesto which
he published the day of the attack that declared his
enemies were feminism, Islam, and cultural Marxism. Pretty deep, deep
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thinking here, this guy, I don't know, but horrible childhood.
And you know, of course you're gonna hear me. Just
repeat this and repeat this and repeat this. These are
people who are gosh their products of their environment. Although
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this guy could go a long way in the argument
for nature versus he could have been born with some
of his mother's tendencies. Well, first, what he did was
he carried out the twenty eleven Norway attacks, in which
he killed eight people by detonating at Van Baum in Oslo,
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and then he killed sixty nine participants of a worker's
youth league summer camp in a mass shooting on the
island of Atoya. After Brevic was found psychologically confident to
san trial, his criminal trial was held in twenty twelve
and he was found guilty of mass murder, causing a
fatal explosion and terrorism. Brevic was sentenced to the maximum
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civilian criminal penalty in Norway, which is twenty one years
imprisonment through preventive detention, which is rehab allowing the possibility
of one or more extensions for as long as he
was deemed a danger to society. He began his criminal
history at the age of sixteen that we know of.
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In ninety five, he was arrested for spranging graffiti on walls.
He was not chosen for a conscription into the Norwegian
Armed Forces, and at the age of twenty he joined
the anti immigration Progress Party and chaired the local vest
Oslo branch of the use of the party's youth organization.
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In two thousand and two, he joined a gun club
in two thousand and five. He left the Progress Party
in two thousand and six, and then a company he
founded was later declared bankrupt. He had no declared income
in two thousand and nine and his assets were three
hundred and ninety thousand kroner, which is equivalent to seventy
two thousand and sixty three dollars according to Norwegian Tax
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Authority figures. He financed the terrorist attacks with a total
of one hundred and thirty thousand kroners, which he got
that money from nine credit cards. On the day of
the attacks, he emailed a compendium of texts and titled
two thousand and eighty three a European Declaration of Independence,
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describing his militant ideology. In them, he stated his opposition
to Islam and blamed feminism for a European cultural suicide.
It's always the women's fault, isn't it. The texts called
for the deportation of all Muslims from Europe, and Brevik
wrote that his main motive for the attacks was to
publicize his manifesto. Two teams of court appointed forensic psychiatrist
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examined Brevic before his trial, and the first team diagnosed
Brevic with paranoid schizophrenia, but after his initial finding was criticized,
a second evaluation concluded that he was not psychotic during
the attacks, but did have narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial
personality disorder. And you see more often, remember you see
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that antisocial personality disorder overwhelmingly in our serial killers. In sixteen,
Brevic one of partial victory in a lower court. However
the case was lost on appeal in a higher court.
Other than that, Brevic has repeatedly been unsuccessfully sued the
Norwegian Correctional Service and appeal to the European Convention on
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Human Rights over solitary confinement and refusal of parole, which
Brevic claims violated his human rights. People like that never
cease to amaze me. So. Brevick was born in Oslo
on February thirteenth of seventy nine, the son of Jens
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David Brevick, a civil economist who worked as a diplomat
for the Norwegian Navasity in London and later in Paris,
and Elizabeth Barring, a nursing assistant. He has a maternal
half sister named Elizabeth, and three paternal half siblings, Eric, Jen,
and Nina. He began his life in London until the
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age of one, when his parents divorced. His family name
is brit while bearing his mother's maiden name is his
middle name and not part of the family name. In
twenty seventeen, it was reported that he had changed his
legal name to Jotolph Hanson. When Breevick was aged four
and living in Oslo's Fraudner Borough, two reporters, two reports
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were followed expressing concern about his mental health. He was
four years old. Keep that in mind. A psychologist in
one report made a note of the boy's peculiar smile,
suggesting it was not anchored in his emotions, but was
rather a deliberates response to his environment. In another report
from Norway's National Center for Child and Adolescent Psychiatry SSHO,
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be You, concerns were raised about how Brevic was treated
by his mother. She sexualized the young Brevic, hid him,
and frequently told him that she wished that he were dead.
In the report, Bearing is described as a woman with
an extremely difficult upbringing, borderline personality disorder and an all encompassing,
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if only partially visible, depression, who projects her primitive, aggressive
and sexual fantasies onto Brevic. The report recommended he be
forcibly removed from his mother and placed into foster care,
as she was heavily emotionally and psychologically abusive towards him,
but this was not carried out by the Child Welfare Service,
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of course it wasn't. I mean, if two professionals are
telling you that this child needs to be taken away
for these very extreme reasons and you don't do it,
I don't understand how that's possible. Brevick's mother had fled
her abusive home at age seventeen, and soon after that
became a teenage mother. In her thirties, she became pregnant
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with Anders and married his father, Jen's Brevic. During her pregnancy,
she moved to London, where Gin's worked. Even for his birth. However,
brevis mother developed to disdain for her son. She claimed
that he was a nasty child and that he was
kicking her on purpose. She's definitely psychotic. She had wanted
to abort him, but by the time she went to
a hospital she had passed the three month threshold for
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an abortion. Psychologist reports later stated that she thought Breevick
was a fundamentally nasty and evil child and was determined
to destroy her. She stopped breastfeeding her son early on
because he was sucking the life out of her quote unquote.
A year after Breevick's birth, his parents' relationship ended. Brevicksmother
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and me back to Oslo, where she borrowed Jen Breevck's
apartment in the Frogner Borough. Neighbors claimed that there were
noises of fights and that the mother left her children
completely alone for extended periods of time while she was
working as a nurse. In eighty one, Brevick's mother applied
for welfare spending benefits, specifically monetary payment or financial aid.
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In eighty two, she applied for respite care for her son.
She says that she was overwhelmed with a boy and
unable to care for him. She described him as clinging
and demanding. Brevic was then placed in cooperation with the
Child Welfare Service with a young couple excuse me, who
later told police that the mother, when bringing two year
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old brivc to the house, had asked that he be
allowed to touch the man's penis because he had no
one to compare himself to in terms of appearance. He
has only ever seen girls parts. The mother told the couple.
According to the couple's undated statement to the police in
February of eighty three, on the advice of her neighbors,
Brevick's mother Sowt held from the National Center for Child
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and Adolescent Psychiatry and Brevic and his mother were outpatients
and then stayed there during the daytime for about one month.
The psychiatrist's conclusion of the stay was that Brivic should
be placed in the foster care system and had to
be removed from his mother for him to develop normally.
It was too late for that. Let me tell you
this based on several observations. Brevic had little emotional engagement
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and did not show joy or cry when he was hurt.
He also made no attempts to play with other children,
and was extremely clean and became anxious when his toys
were not in order. Psychologists believed that Brevic's mother had
punished him and reacted extremely negatively to him displaying emotions,
leading him to become devoid of any visible emotions. His
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mother had also claimed that he was unclean and that
she constantly had to care for him. Psychologists believed that
Brevic had developed obsessive compulsive disorder because of fear of
punishment from his mother makes complete sense, complete sense. Some
people are born naturally with this overwhelming obsessive disorder, and
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other people developed it just because of the way they
were treated. He did not show the normal level and
the uncleanliness of a four year old, and had no
repertoire on how to express emotions normally. On rare occasions,
his life long phases of emotional voidness would be interrupted
by fits where he would erupt and display extreme, uncontrolled emotions.
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Reports of the staff said that his mother had told
Brevic that she wished he was dead while she knew
that she was being observed by health personnel. At the
same time, she bound him emotionally to her, alternating between
great affection and extreme cruelty from one moment to the next.
Some nights, Brevic and his mother would share the bed
with close body contact. The psychiatrists concluded this was an
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unacceptable situation for a four year old to be in,
and the report from eighty three stated Anders is a
victim of his mother's projections of paranoid aggression, aggressive and
sexual fears towards men in general, and she projects onto
him her own primitive aggressive and sexual fantasies all the
qualities in men that she regards as dangerous and aggressive.
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Preevick reacted very negatively to his mother and alternated between cleanliness,
petty aggression, and extremeishness. The final conclusion of the observation
was that the family is in dire need of help.
Andrews should be removed from the family and given a
better standard of care. The mother is provoked by him
and remains in an ambivalent position which prevents him from
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developing on his own terms. Andrews has become an anxious,
passive child that averts making contact. He displays a manic
defense mechanism of restless activity and a feigned deflecting smile.
Considering the profoundly pathological relationship between Andrews and his mother,
it is crucial to make an early effort to ward
off a severely skewed development in the boy. However, child
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Welfare services did not follow this recognition. Instead, he was
placed in respite care only during the weekends. Listen, let
me tell you something. I know that. Of course this
is over in Norway, but even here in the United States,
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the law states is the ultimate goal is to return
children to their families if they've been taken away for
whatever reason, the ultimate goal is to bring them back
to their families. And I can tell you I have
seen it. I have experienced it with families that I
serve and work with, foster families who work with who
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keep you know, children who are in these horrible situations,
and always returning children to their families is not a
good idea. There may be, on the rare occasion, families
that actually try very hard to make a decent home
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for a child and work very hard to make things
right after the child has been removed from the home,
but keep in mind, once a child is removed from
the home, there's been there's something very significant has had
to have occurred before they get removed from the home,
and that's significant in and of itself. Putting them back
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in the home, to me is preposterous. It's preposterous. And then,
and this is a great example of that. You know,
they were told twice, at least twice, that he needed
to be removed from his family, specifically his mother, and
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they did not listen. I don't know why they even
bothered having him observed, and all of the things that
they made him go through for those diagnoses. Why would
you even do that if you weren't going to listen
to what the professionals had to say about it. It's ridiculous.
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So when Brevic's father learned the situation, he filed for custody,
and although Brevick's mother had agreed to have him put
in respite care, after Jens had filed for custody, she
demanded that we put back into full custody with her.
Both the mother and father involved lawyers, and eventually the
case was dropped because because the welfare services thought that
they would not be able to provide enough evidence in
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court to warrant the placement of Brevic and foster care.
One of the main reasons for this was the testimony
of staff from the Vigilant Sparkan nursery, which Brevic had
been attending since any one. They described him as a
happy child and claimed that nothing was wrong or had
been wrong with him all along. During all of this,
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the SSB you maintained their stance and said urgent action
is crucially needed to prevent a severely skewed development in
the boy. The SSBU wrote Child Welfare Services a letter
claiming that an order should be placed to have Brevic
removed by force in eighty four, and hearing in front
of the municipal Child Welfare Committee took place on whether
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Brevic's mothers should lose custody of him. The Child Welfare
Service lost the case. The agency was represented by a
social worker with no prior experience of representing case in
front of the committee. It was ruled that the family
should be supervised. However, after only three visits, the supervision
was discontinued. Breviick was never again put into respite care
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or foster care. Talk about a complete and total abuse
of the system and a failure of the system. Unbelievable, unbelievable.
You know you look at these. Of course, it's easy
to sit here and read about it and talk about
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it and have an opinion when we know the outcome.
But I don't understand why an agency who's been told
multiple times by professionals that a child needed to be
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forcefully removed from home would ignore that. I just don't
understand it. This child was incredibly abused and it could
have been stopped. I mean, was the fact is he
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was already he already had experienced severe trauma before they
got involved. You know before the state got involved, that
they didn't do anything once they got involved, really, so
I think they potentially made it worse, you know, So
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I think it's I think it's just lots of these
things could be prevented if we would listen to the
professionals who do this for a living, and court systems
don't let people out for good behavior and don't let
people out because they've met there, maybe because they've met
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the time limit, but if they haven't rehabilitated, they shouldn't
be let out. You know, it's just ridiculous. And this
is a very good example. This is an excellent example
of how a child that's abused to this level what
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he can grow up to be. You know, I don't know,
it's horrible, but he's on the list for a good
reason obviously. And then we have Richard Chase, the vampire
of Sacramento. He told police that he chose only victims
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whose doors were unlocked, and he said he considered an
unlocked door sign that this victim wanted him to enter.
Chase killed at least six people, drank their blood, and
sometimes ate their flesh. Richard Chase was also His modus
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operandi was similar to Ramirez the night stalker, he if
he came across an unlocked door, he would go in
thinking that he had been invited in because the door
was unlocked. And we joke about that. I don't know
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if we joke about we talk about that around here
in you know the South, where years and years and
years ago no one ever locked their doors ever. You know,
you'd go to bed with your front door wide open
and your storm door unlocked, go to bed, not even
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think about it because as you knew, you'd be safe.
And now, of course we know that there are people
who literally go around and look for if the door's unlocked,
they'll come in and probably kill you or victimize you
in some way. Same thing with cars. You know a
lot of people who still steal cars or still things
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out of cars do so because the car is unlocked.
And you know a theft or damage can be prevented
if you'd simply lock the door. So you know this.
If this doesn't teach you anything else, let it be
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a reminder to always lock your doors on your in
your house, your windows, make sure those are always locked.
And if you leave them open for any reason, you know,
beautiful day and you leave your windows open. Don't do
it when you go to bed Uletus you live on
the second floor, and then you're okay, but you definitely
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don't want to do it where you're easily accessible to
someone who wants to crawl through the window. We just
live in a day and time where you can't do it.
You just can't do it. Next, we have Ashley Mervin Coltson.
He was an Australian killer who picked two victims after
they put an ad in the newspaper. Two students were
looking for a third person to share their house. Colton
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answered the ad and forced the two women into separate rooms.
The brother in law of one of them when women
was there at the time, and Colson forced him into
a third room. All three were hogtied and shot. No
motive has ever been established, but Coltson went on to
attempt to abduct another couple about a month later, but
was stopped by nearby security guards. Now would I call
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this stalking, HM, maybe not put an ad in the paper.
It seems to me like he would be more of
an opportunist. He saw the opportunity and he took it.
I don't consider this stalking. Calling to Ireland is on
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the list, of course, and he stocked his victims in
gay bars, choosing men who were willing to be tied
up as part of a sexual game. He claimed he
was not gay and his motivation was not sexual. Rather,
he said it was easier to kill someone when they
willingly allowed themselves to be restrained. Ireland killed at least
five men and died in prison. Well, here's a good
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lesson for all of us as well. Similar, although this
was an Ireland, similar to some of the other cases
that we've had where men would target other gay men.
Sometimes they would do it out of because they themselves
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were gay and they wanted to punish people. But keep
in mind that everybody that does these things, everyone who
does these type of crimes, are psychotic. So they don't
think clearly like we do, right, They don't think logically.
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They may be very intelligent, some of them very intelligent,
most of them are not. I've heard a lot of
people say, oh, yeah, serial killers are incredibly smart. No
they're not. They don't have really high IQs, not all
of them do. And if they got caught, certainly they're
not that smart, right, But they just have a different
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way of thinking. And you know, That's one of the
reasons why in mind Hunter, you see the FBI when
they're forming all of these conclusions, they don't make definitive
decisions until they have interviewed a lot of people, a
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lot of people. And you know, thank goodness that they
had someone who knew how to do proper scientific research,
because you don't want to make assumptions about things unless
you have the proper information to back up that. Whatever
your result is overwhelmingly statistics, and we know they can
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be manipulated, but if you have the data to back
those up, then it can be It can be used
for very beneficial things. And that's what's happened with the
profiling with the FBI. They're very successful with that. It works,
you know, it works because people who are serial killers,
people who are violent offenders, you know, like Ireland and
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these others that we've talked about, they have very similar
ways of thinking and it helps to figure out who
they you know, profiling them, it helps to profile them.
So sad but true. Gary Ridgeway, of course we know,
is the Green River killer. Again. You can go into
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my archives and find on composition of a killer. You
can find Gary Ridgeway, the Green river Killer fairly early,
so it's a really old podcast, but all the information
is still the same. Of course, he would target vulnerable
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women like prostitutes and runaways. He would pick him up
on the highway, and that's probably why he was so
successful before he got caught, because vulnerable people in this
instance are people who you know, they run away. People
aren't looking for them like they would be. Like if
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my kid didn't come out from school today, I'd immediately
be looking for that kid. But if my kid ran
away and had been gone for two weeks or two months,
I might not be looking for him in that immediate area.
I would certainly be looking for him in whatever way
I could be. But if the police consider them a runaway,
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they don't take it that seriously, so they don't they
don't look for these people, and so they're able to
be abused and killed and hidden, and by the time
somebody finds them, if they ever do, it's been months
or years and a lot of the evidence is destroyed. So,
you know, picking people who aren't easily missed is a
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strategy that many of our serial killers and violent offenders use.
He was convicted of forty nine murders and heard of,
and I even said earlier, we typically do not see
serial killers, or I mean, even if it was just
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one person, you know, you don't see them being convicted
of a lot of things because usually if they can
just get one or two and get that person in
jail for life, they stop. Number one, it costs too
much money and they may not have all of the
necessary proof to prove all of those. But he was
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convicted of forty nine murders, but it's believed that he
may have killed twice that number. So he himself said
he killed so many women that he has trouble keeping
them straight. Very sad childhood again, you know, he had
one of the worst childhoods of people we've discussed. His
mother was very abusive. He took out his frustrations with
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his mother on all of these women. He seemed like
such a very low key, calm person. But once he
got himself into the situations where he had kidnapped, the
woman usually raped them or had sex with him because
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they were sex workers, and he would pay them and
then kill them. But I mean once he once he
got into it, he became just an animal. So he
was pretty horrific, pretty horrific and a terrible childhood at that,
So check that one out if if you're interested in
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.