Part 2: The Causality of Serial Killers' Crimes in Early Childhood

This is part two of the review of journal article The Causality of Serial Killers' Crimes in Early Childhood

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
A composition of a killer fans. Hope everyone's having a
great day. I'm certainly having a good day. Any day
that we're here is a good day, right. But I'm
excited to talk a little bit more about our journal
article that we're reviewing the causality of serial killers crime
in early childhood obviously part two. And before we start,

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just remember that nothing that we discuss here is to
be considered a clinical diagnosis. So we stopped yesterday at
the next. Major methods that they use are the murder
signature and the modus operandi. So the signature of the

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murder can describe the physiological profile of the person who
committed the murder. For example, if a fire is chosen
as a means of killing, then the murder may be
committed on the grounds of religion, politics, and revenge. The
person who organizes the fire is always present to enjoy
the work he has done. If the bomb is chosen
as a means of killing, then the structure of the

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bomb itself speaks to the intelligence and abilities of the
serial killer. Most people who choose the bomb are scary.
If the murder is committed by two people, then one
becomes a ruler, a dominant and the other as servant
or as subordinate. The subordinate has always felt humiliated and
only feels powerful because of the ruler. Murder also stands

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out when it is committed by women. There are two
types of serial women. One is cold, calculating, money driven,
and two is fearful, paranoid and methodical following the rules.
And that makes a lot of sense if you think
back to our if you think back to many of

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the women that we've in this podcast, they're basically their
motivations were, uh, you know, robbery or some sort of
benefit for them, or they were fearful, paranoid and methodical.

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I mean that those that really does fit the people
that we've talked about. You know, there's there's many different
reasons why people choose to while women choose to kill,
and typically there's something emotional about it. Uh, there's some

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sort of a an emotional whether it is anger, fear, resentment,
needing to feel powerful for whatever reason. And you'll see
that with Aileen Warnos. Yes, yeah, she didn't really kill

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for money. She was really she said she was killing
because they were attacking her first. But that I think
puts her in the second category. She was fearful, she
was paranoid. She was very methodical. That's why she got
away with it for so long. I do think she
was cold and calculating, but it wasn't really money driven.

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So I don't think she falls into that category. But
there are several others who do, like the women who
had like the boarding house. Can't think of her name,
but she had the boarding house, and she would bring
in these elderly people or these people who were disabled
and kill them but still collect their checks. Certainly that

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she would be in that first category. The signature of
the murder is one of the winning cards to find
the killers. The signature, in contrast to the modus operandi,
is more effective as the special murder procedure identifies the
killer if everyone can have them. The signatures do not
leave all the killers unlike them. The signature never changes.

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We see that in people like BTK. BTK always did
the same. His signature was always the same. He did
not sexually molest the bodies that he did sexually relieve himself,

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and so you've got he did that at all of them,
you know. And his m changed from time to time,
but he always had that signature. And then of course
he started, excuse me literally, you know, sending the letters

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to the police and communicating with them, And that was
also kind of his signature. He had that ego going
on that was so such a part of his downfall.
The signature can be not only the position of the
victims after the murder, but all can also be an
action such as sending letters to magazine, sending a video

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of the murder to the body of the victims, now
sending a video of the murder of the victims. This again,
we've got this issue with translation. Engraving something into the
body or somewhere around the body, inserting something, or taking
a souvenir and leaving, for an example, on the next victim,

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et cetera. In this way, they satisfied the full enjoyment
of killing. An example of a serial killer captured by
the signature is Charles Albright. When a number of crimes begin,
the victims were blindfielded. The forensic doctor stated after the
autopsy that an equal and perfect work had been done
that could only be done by a person with a

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medical education. The ring of suspects was tightened and they
were able to arrest Charles Albright. So you can watch
this on a lot of different TV shows, right when
they're doing the autopsies, and you've got forensic pathologists and
they really look at these things and they can easily determine.
You know, your average person is not going to be
able to carve up a body like this. You know,

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someone with a medical background is going to know which
areas of the body are easier to cut through, which
ligaments are easier to cut through. Those are the kind
of things they're thinking about. And I know that's really
a very graphic image, but that's how they figure out
the either the signature excuse me, well, the signature is

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definitely not the mo that's different, but that's really how
they break things down and figure it out. It's so
interesting to me. I mean, know it's kind of sick,
but you know, sick minds, but it's just interesting to

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me that that we have this ability because you know,
instead of being disgusted by it, instead of being you know,
paralyzed with fear about all of this, someone which you know, FBI,
decided that it's a science, you know, there's a reason

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for all of this happening, and then it turned into
it's just evolved into this you know, It's popular because
it's interesting and it's audacious, and you just can't get
enough of it because we can't believe there's such evil
in the world. But that's what these people have done.

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These professionals have spent their lifetime creating this profession. And
so I mean, I think we only get better with time.
And I've said that over and over and over again.
The more information we have, the better we get at
stopping these crimes quickly. Excuse me, I've been sick all

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week and so I'm just now I'm getting this weird cough.
So my apologies. There are other methods of analyzing and
detecting the serial killers, such as geographical profiling or Hargrove methods.
Though all methods are very important, there are cases that
these methods are excluded for the detection of the murder,

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such is in the case of the Zodiac Killer. The
main suspect was Arthur Lee Allen. All evidence against Alan
is circumstantial, though the large quantity of circumstantial evidence is
the primary reason that Alan became the primary suspect in
the Zodiac case. The direct evidence they had was in
nineteen ninety two, the surviving victim, Mike McGough picked Alan

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out of a police line up. Another surviving victim, Brian Hartnell,
identified his voice and physical appearance as being similar to
the Zodiac, and then in twenty twenty, there was DNA evidence.
The circumstantial evidence, however, was what was so powerful. Alan
communicated to his friend Don Cheney the following ideas, and

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this was through the premise of writing a novel. He
said to his friend Dawn, Hey, this would be a
great book. Here's the following ideas he gave him. He
would like to kill couples randomly. He would taunt the
police with letters detailing his crimes. He would sign the
letters with the cross circle symbol from his watch. He

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wanted to one day call himsel Elf Zodiac. He said
this to his friend. He would wear makeup to change
his appearance, and he would attach a flashlight to the
barrel of his gun in order to shoot at night.
He would fool women into stopping their cars in rural
areas by claiming they had problems with their tires, then
loosen their lugnuts and eventually take them captive. Alan was

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born on December eighteenth, around the same time the Zodiac
told attorney Melvin Belly's housekeeper over the phone that it
was his birthday and he needed to kill someone. Allan
also lived in Vheo, near the Blue Rock Springs and
Lake Herman Road murders. He was allegedly in Riverside on
the weekend when Sherry Joe Bates was murdered. He later

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claimed to be in Pomona when he heard of bates murder,
and then Alan took his only sick day of the
year on November first, nineteen sixty six, and Bates was
murdered on October thirtieth of nineteen sixty six. Lots of
circumstantial evidence, but certainly enough right. Here's some more. The

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Vijeo Police Department seized a Royal typewriter with a lead
type from Alan Tome, which is the brand of typewriter
used to write the Bates letters, and at the time
of this publication the typewriter had not been compared to
the Bates letters, which is ridiculous. Why would you not
do that. He received a Zodiac watch from his mother

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for Christmas in sixty seven, according to his brother, and
Alan estimated receiving the watch. In sixty nine, Alan communicated
to his friend Philip that he was fascinated with the
idea of killing people. He believed that people were more
challenging to kill than animals since they were more intelligent.
Similar sentiments were communicated during the three parts Cipher mailed

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to newspapers. Alan also mentioned to the police that his
favorite book was the Most Dangerous Game book about killing
humans and possibly alluded to a zodiac correspondence Magow described
a brown corvet in the Blue Rock Spring scene. Alan's
friend Philip owned a brown corvet that Allan was allowed

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to use. Alan told friend Don Cheney that he was
fond of a waitress at the International House of Pancakes
in Beheo and the place where Darlene Ferrin worked at
a worked as a waitress. An unidentified man named Lee
was known to associate with Farren, and Alan frequently went
by his middle name. He told police he was going

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up to Barriessa on the day of the hartn Old
Shepherd attack, but decided to go up the coast instead.
Alan admitted to possessing bloody knives on the day of
the Veryessa attack, claiming that he used them to kill chickens.
Cheney mentioned to Ron Allen that Arthur had two twenty
two caliber weapons, which of course were the weapons used
in many of the murders. Zodiac has frequently theorized as

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having military ties, and Alan was at one time a
saale maker in the Navy. Alan wore size ten and
a half shoes similar to those left at the crime scene,
and in ninety one, a nemesis of Allen's named Ralph
Spinelli told police that Alan admitted to being the Zodiac
and that he could prove it by going to San

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Francisco and killing a cabby. In ninety one, the search
worm for Allen's house found bomb diagrams and the same
ingredients for bombs that were mentioned in a previous Zodiac letter.
Karen Allen, his sister in law, stated that Alan would
use the shortened trigger mech in place of trigger mechanism,
as well as spelling Christmas with two s's. Both idiosyncresies

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appear in the Zodiac letter to Melvin Billy, and that
is another type of scientific forensic research, analyzing that people
make the same mistake in spelling all throughout the letters,
or they write a letter a certain way all throughout

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the correspondence that is in and of itself for a
forensic pathology specialty. So that's a pretty tremendous they have.
The statistics on it are just crazy. Kieren also stated
that he was taught to write right handed as a child,
even though he was left handed, and then Alan claimed

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to have consulted with Melvin billy In, an attorney mentioned
by name in the Zodiac Letters. Although this evidence, although
these are you know, great pieces of evidence, they are
also its exculpatory evidences. There's direct evidence, which is just

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the eyewitnesses of a Steinmerder scene claim that Allen was
not the man they saw, and then there's circumstantial evidence
that did not support the theory that it was him.
The fingerprints and the palm prince did not match, the
DNA didn't match, the handwriting was not a match. He
did not wear glasses and was old with gray and

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black hair. So I mean, if you look at all
of that circumstantial evidence, but then you look at this
exculpatory evidence, I personally would have leaned more towards that
exculpatory evidence. The fingerprints and poms didn't match, DNA didn't match,

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handwriting was not a match, he didn't wear glasses and
was old with grand black hair come on. The witnesses
at one of the murders said that Alan was not
the man they saw. Now we if I were a
defense or a prosecutor, if I was a prosecutor, if
I were a defense attorney, certainly, if I was a prosecutor,

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my argument would be, Listen, he was a master of disguise.
He wore makeup, he used all kinds of prosthetics to
change his appearance. So of course he would not look
like the man that they saw at the crime scene
at the Stein murder. So, you know, the arguments in

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the court would be just fantastic, But there's just a lot,
you know, there's a lot. You read that one list
and you're like, Yep, he's the dude, he is the
man he did that. And then you look at that
exculpatory evidence and you're like, oh, maybe not. You know,
DNA doesn't lie, is and that what we've heard for

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all these years. DNA doesn't lie. Can it exclude you?
Absolutely it can, right, So it's very difficult to say
with out reasonable doubt. Right, So the causality of the
crime in the childhood experiences. Let's move on to that

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the serial killers are not born as killers and do
not come from just anywhere. They have their own history.
The majority of them have childhood traumas. As Jim Clementy says,
your genetics sloth the gun, your personality aims it, and
the events in your life pull the trigger. So very
true when we're talking about children, early in early childhood,

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the development of children. You know, they're born with certain qualities, characteristics,
and then they have their own personality that develops with time,
and then certain events that occur shape all of that.

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So that's why you can't nothing is cookie cutter in
this science. You know, we can't say every person who
sexually abuses as a child is going to grow up
and do this, or every person who kills animals when
they're you know, growing up, they're going to grow up
to be a serial killer. You can't say that because

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every human being is different. But we can use this
information to guide us and help us to figure out
is this the right person? Is this? Are these some
of the things that happen to children, And what do
we do if these children experience that to prevent them
from becoming violent offenders in the future. I mean, that's
the big question here, right We have to think about

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these things. According to here, we have another one of
those cases where the translation is not correct. Let's see
Genet's an environment work together to encourage violent behavior. For example,
those with a specific variant of the enzyme mono amina

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oxidase a gene are more prone to displaying violent behavior
if they have had an abusive upbringing. That's the serial
killer gene. We actually have a podcast on that. I
have a podcast on that from I don't know year
or so ago. I guess a child susceptible to genetically
driven violent conduct does not necessarily become a criminal. However,

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genetics and tandem with environmental factors such as violent childhood experiences,
work together to shape a person. So very true early
childhood is key information about the serial killer. There are
some key factors in children that can give a rise
to a further killing. Such factors are bedwetting, but only

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if it's done after the age of five and it
continues for months, hurting small animals, a head injury, uncontrollable aggression,
witnessing violence or psychiatric disorders, etc. In her work, she
says that she studied some notorious serial killers who had

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a number of killings. I mean haven't we all that's
not new Lewis Alfredo garavitokubeis La Bastille. He had one
hundred and thirty nine proved killings and one hundred and
forty seven confessed victims. He was choosing boys, torturing them, raping,

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and then killing eighteen to sixteen year old. His mother
was a prostitute. His father was an alcoholic. He and
his family was sexually abused by the father. He made
him watch how his mother was having sex with other
men and then let them abused Garavito himself. Soon he
ran out of the house, but unfortunately became the victim
of the pedophile at the age of eight. When he

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grew up, he used those pedophile tricks with candy and
food to lure boys. Pedro Alonzo Lopez. The father died
before he was born and his mother was a prostitute.
He was psychologically affected from being the witness of the
sexual relationships. When he was eight, he touched his sister's
breast and his mother asked him to leave the house.

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He met a man who took him to his house,
tortured and raped him for many years. When he was twelve,
he was found by family and was taken to school,
where he was bothered by the teacher. He was taking
his victims out of the grave, trying to speak to
them and play with them, but of course they did
not respond. He began to look for other victims. He
described his victims. He said that they never would cry

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and they never expected anything, but they were innocent. Again,
that's probably one of those translation issues. Some of these
sentences were ridiculous. Moses Setoli was called ABC Murder as
he was killing in alphabetic order. He had thirty eight victims.
His mother had left him and other children when his

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father died. As a teenager, he escaped from the house.
Then he was arrested for the rape of the girl,
which affected his entire life. He confessed that he did
not rape the girl, and every time when he killed someone,
he was killing that girl. During one of his murders,
he damaged a child's head and let him die. And
this can be connected with his mother who left him

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too helpless in such conditions when he was a child.
So again you see where every time they kill a
victim doesn't matter who it is. In his mind, he
was killing his mother and Natalie Ono Pranco, the beast
of Ukraine, also called the Terminator the citizen zero. He

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had fifty two victims. First he was killing the husband,
and then he would kill the wife and then the children.
When he was one year old, his father left the home,
and when he was three, his mother died and he
was taken to an orphanage. His father was drinking and
often was treating the children, basically abusing them. He was
a driver, so most of his victims were drivers. He

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was killing his father by killing them, so again he
focused in on just a certain population because it related
to the abuse he had as a child by his father.
Other orphans mocked him very much as he was there,
but he had a father and a brother. He had
fought in orphanages very He had fought in orphanages and

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escaped from many of them on a Pranco said that
he was killing children in order to save them from orphanage.
He returned to his father's house, but had many conflicts
and went away. In the eighty three, he returned with
a car to present it to his father, but his
father was afraid of revenge and had not accepted, telling
him he was very ill and it totally went away

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and never came back, which is. That's a sad story
in that, you know, we often see very successful people
spend their life trying to be successful to impress their
mother or father or both, seeking their love, and and
that's what you're seeing here. You're seeing him. You know,

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his father abused him. He had a horrible childhood. He
was in an orphanage and it ruined his life. But
yet he went back. He bought a car and went
back to his childhood home and gave it to his father.
But his father, of course, was he should be scared
for his life and did not accept it. So you know,

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he was rejected yet again as an adult, even trying
to do something he thought his father would accept and
finally accept him. In that process, about ten years after
marriage and ten minutes before birth, Aileen, the mother, filed
for divorce. Hold on, what is this? He just kind

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of skipped into Oh, okay, we're talking about Aileen Mornos,
all right, So Aileen never met her father, but because
he was sent to prison and convicted of molestation and
the attempted murder of an eight year old boy, and
then he was later diagnosed with schizophrenia and he hanged

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himself in a cell. But When Aileen was four years old,
her mother left her with her brother to raise her
parents for her parents to raise. She did not know
that her parents her grandparents were her parents, right. She
did not know that until much later, and it really
devastated her. She she would have sex at school in

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exchange for cigarettes, drugs, and food. She was actually kicked
out of the house and lived in the back woods
for years. Horrible situation. For this, I've always felt I've
always felt bad Aileen Mornos or Aileen, depends on who's
saying it. I've always felt bad for her because you

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talk about a bad childhood from the get go, she
had it, and she was really more of a survivor
and a victim. I'm not excusing what she did. I
certainly don't condone it, but what she lived through, most
of us would would have not survived a third of it.

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I mean, it's ridiculous. She entered into a sexual relationship
with her sibling. She claimed that her alcoholic grandfather raped
and beat her, forced her to undress, and then at
the age of fourteen, she became pregnant after being raped
by her grandfather's best friend. She gave birth to a
child in an orphanage, and later the boy was handed

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over for adoption, and a few months after the birth
of the baby, she dropped out of school. And by
this time her grandmother had died du failure. And that's when, yeah,
that's when our grandfather. Around the age of fifteen, her
grandfather kicked her out of the house and she had
to engage in prostitution in order to earn a living.

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So you see, these are just some examples that, you know,
horrible upbringing, horrible abuse, horrible traumatic situations. It is a
secular It causes so much. There's so many ramifications. I

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can't even come up with the words. You it doesn't
just affect this one person who's being abused. You know,
it can literally affect hundreds of people as time passes,
and you don't it's not just a psychological destruction. You're
you know, you're when these children are abused, When these

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children are raped or whatever, the trauma may be exposed
to sexual experiences far too early in their life. You're raising,
you're creating an environment for a violent offender. And as
an early childhood educator, I want to know all these

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things that are going on. What is it we do
as a society, are we looking into these are what
are we trying to do? Right? I mean we have interventions.
I mean I'm an early interventionist for this day of Tennessee.
I go into homes and I work with children who
typically who are born with deficits or maybe they're premature

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and you are concerned that they might have a deficit
all these things. But what are we doing for these
children who are older than that? Because they'rely interventions, We're
going to serve them from age zero to three years,
and after that the school system picks up their care.
So think about what I'm saying. The school system at

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the age of three is required by law to take
over the care of these children so they can get
speech therapy at school, occupational therapy, physical therapy, psychological therapy.
Everything can occur inside that school. If the family wants
that to happen, they can also choose to take them
to their own, you know, outside therapies. From zero to

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from zero to two years and eleven months and twenty
nine days, our children do go to you know, pediatric
therapy outside of the school. But then we have a
transition meeting and they can again they can they can
do all those services inside the school. What does that

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mean for us as educators? We're looking at children who
have these educational deficits, who have social emotional deficits, who
have physical deficits. We're also supposed to be teaching them
all these all of the things that we're supposed to
teach them according to state and federal guidelines, and yet

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we're we're not equipped to really do that. We're not
equipped to really deal with some of the psychological trauma
that these children come into the classroom with. And you know,
it's enough. Think about all the hats, the things that
we juggle as an educator. It's unbelievable. And people. One

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reason that going into education is a field that is
very rewarding is because you do have successes. You do
know that you're making a difference in someone's life. You
do know that the majority of the children that you
serve are going to be good, productive members of society.
They are, I mean the vast majority. But there are

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those exceptions. And I would I'm going to go out
and lind here and say, I'd say there's every single
teacher that's ever been in a classroom, there's one student
they can name, right now that scared them to death,

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that they even to this day they either know what
happened to them and they're in prison somewhere or they're
dead or something like that, or you know, they knew
something was wrong and they tried their best, but that
you know, nothing that they did worked. There's just no
way to know what's going to happen. And I understand that.

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I mean, I mean, I've been there. I work with
that every day. Even in working in high ED teaching
and high ED, I see a lot of families. I
see a lot of families, and it is a generational

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struggle you certainly have. You can see these people who
are coming through the program. They're trying to stop that
cycle of literacy and poverty, and they may also be
trying to break you know, this generational abuse, neglect, psychological abuse,

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physical abuse, all those things we talk about. It those
of us who have not struggled with those type of things,
we really don't have a clue what we're talking about.
We can make assumptions. We can look from the outside
in and be like, oh, you can overcome that, that's easy,
YadA YadA. No, you can't. It's not that easy, and
it's not. If it were easy, we wouldn't be having

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this conversation because we wouldn't have this phenomenon of violn
if enders and social or serial killers that has us
all enthralled. We wouldn't have it. Unfortunately, you know, we have,

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just we've created this, you know, false reality that if
you've got a kid and he's coming to school, at
least if he's coming to school, that's a good thing,
and you take care of them while they're there, and
then you send them home. And that's just not working.
And I don't know how much more we can put
on educators, right, how much more do you put on educators?

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How much more responsibility do you put on the school system?
I don't know. It's a lot to comprehend. And I
don't know that there's a writer or wrong answer. I
just know that our mental health needs so much more support,
you know, our justice system needs so much more work.

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And it's no one person's fault. It's just the nature
of the beast, really, And because you're dealing with an
individual every single time you're talking about everything we're talking
about it, there's so many differences in every single case.
Yet they're serial killers that there's so many different components
that make that up that are different because we're all

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individuals and we all have different things, right, So I
don't know if there's an answer. I really don't, but
that's kind of what we're seeking, right. The conclusion of
this journal article is, excuse me, every parent should have
a responsibility to ensure his child has a healthy atmosphere,

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but giving him the whole care that he needs, often
telling him how important he is, and protecting him from
every kind of abuse. Children who are victims of violence
at an early age tend to be subjected to violence themselves,
which means that violence gives birth to violence. And she
repeats this. This is probably the fourth or fifth time
she said it. Not all serial killers, however, have had

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childhood trauma or been subjected to violence at an early age.
But the fact that serial killers have subjected to violence
at an early age is not a coincidence. Many serial
killers treat their victims as they were treated at a
young age. It's really a power struggle, really. They want

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that power, the power they didn't have when they were
a child they can forcibly take as an adult. You know. So,
very good article, very interesting look at the causality. I

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think certainly it just reinforces what we already know. But
I do appreciate someone else's view in another country, because
you know, we have the serial killers here in the
United States, but they're serial killers all over the world,
and every society looks at it and treats it differently.

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So we may or may not have all the answers,
but if we all work together, I think we can
make a difference in this world. And I want to
personally start with the young children. I want to prevent
this from ever happening. So excuse me. If you have

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any thoughts or questions about this, you know you can
always reach me at doctor Kimberly Cassidy at gmail dot
com and I'll be glad to answer your questions, comments, thoughts,
and I hope that you have a great day and
a great weekend and stay safe, have a good one.