Bonus Episode - The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent - 2022

Jay, Heather (@Heather_Kenobi on Twitter), and Jeanette (@jeanette_y_ward) discuss the 2022 Nicolas Cage film The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. In this episode, they also talk about alternative actors for the film, Pedro Pascal, and parallels with the Fantastic Beasts franchise. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

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Bunny Down Bood Bunny Down by theBannberg and the Marx. Hello and welcome

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to conn Air the Podcast. Iam your host, Jake Claret. I'll
be only show myself and my cohost Mark Off my flyaway through Conne.
I've seen my scene. But thisis a special bonus episode, the rerelease
of an older episode from a differentpodcast that I've done on a Connor adjacent
film and this time it is theUnbearable weight of massive talent recent films from
just last year, twenty twenty two. And this is an episode of The

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lamb Cast. And the Lambdcast isa show that I used to host a
few years back. It's the officialpodcast to the God Association of movie blogs
that the Lamb. We can findit at large as movie blogs dot com.
And Richard, the current homest formerguests the podcast. He was unable
to host an episode and so heasked me to fill in, and I
was only only do happy to jumpin to talk about the invariable weight of

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massive talent the Nick Cage film inwhich he plays Nick. So on this
show, my guests were well guestsof kind of the podcast head the Backs
and Dowash and Jeanette Ward. Wehad a very entertaining it. It's a
lot of fun going. I canlisten to this show. We talked about
not just the film, but butCage's career actors who could have done this

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kind of a film. Size ofpidro Pesco's head parallels with the Fantastic Peace
franchise. So we had a lotof fun. So I hope you enjoyed
listening to us talk about the unbearableway of massive talent. Bye, Hello,
and welcomed episode six hundred and thirtythree of the Lamb Cast. I'm
your host, Jake let from LifeVerston Film and deeply see the podcast,
and I'm back, not that Iwent anywhere. Richard is away this week.

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He has been called away. He'sdoing a birthday guest spot in New
Yorker for a million dollars, andhe asked me to step in and guest
host in his absence. If youare listening to show and have no idea
who I am, then you havejoined. Since Richard took over, I
used the host of the show.Hello, I'm back for just one episode.
Check back in the archives so youcan hear much more of me talking

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about many many films, And todaywe're talking about the new Nick Cage movie
the unbearable weight of massive talent,and I cannot do this on my own.
People to enjoy me to talk aboutthis film. So first up from
the milfcast, she truly understands thedanger of running his shoes and off a
good ankle support. It's hello,Backs and Doe Walsh. Hello. I'd

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like to just tell you that Icame here and I drove while I was
at LSD and it was fine.I only had a few cars, just
a few fine. And also joinedby from the Mundane ind Ventures of a
Fan Girl. She's a fine backingmovie star. And don't you ever forget
it, it's Jeanette Ward. Youtell him nick kid smooch is good.

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Oh, this is going to bea fun show. That's It's just the
three of us, but that's allwe need. I looked at the guest
list. A few people had todrop out. I thought we could have
more people, so I thought,why what for what? For what purpose?
You've got the three of us.That's what we need. So,
yes, we're talking about the newNick Cage filming. In very weight of
massive talent. We're going to startoff relatively spoiler three give our initial thoughts

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to talk about it briefly without goinginto details of the events and the and
the finale. But then we willgo into more details of the events and
the finale at the least day afterthe spoiler wall has dropped it. So
what is the very weight of massivetalent? Well? It is a twenty
twenty two film new film directed byTom Gormacan, starring Nicolas Cage as Brace
Itself. Nicolas Cage. He's playinghimself. It's the role he was born

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to play. It's a semi fictionalizedversion of himself where he's down his luck,
owes some money over Place's got astrange relationship with his daughter and his
ex wife well I think sex wife, yes, sex wife played by Sharon
Horgan. His daughter is played byLily Sheen. And his agent Neil Patrick

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Harris has a an offer of appearingat a birthday party in New Yorker by
a fan who just wants him tobe there for a million dollars. This
would help out a great deal.He goes tix hundred thousand dollars for staying
at a hotel for a year,so he reluctantly goes, and when he
arriveses Pedro Pascal as as the castsuper fan and they get along well.
But also there it's the Cia TiffanyHaddish like Baronolts, and they think that

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Pedro Pascal's character is doing something shady. I want him to help out with
that. So I love this movie. Fantastic film, favorite film, movie,
fi film, Janette, what areyour films on this film? I
it so rarely happens where you seea trailer you were unprepared for by halfway

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through the trailer, Yes, sayto yourself, dear God, I'm all
in on this. And I feellike the first time I saw this trailer,
I was like, Nope, youdon't. You don't have to show
me the rest of this thirty secondspot. I'm already in. This seems
like the highest level of nonsense.Nicolas Cagees is in general out of control

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to focus that into a an idealike this where you use that to the
very best I think it's ever beenused. I it's what fun, What
an absolute delight of a movie?And the right run time? Good lord,
can we just everything should be undertwo hours? Yes? Yes,

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I fun charming, a couple ofgenuinely touching moments, But can we get
more Pedro Pascal everywhere? That dudeI get. For some reason, I
feel like he's still underrated, eventhough he's he's starting to be everywhere.
Um, But yeah, I lovedit. It's just fun. Yeah,

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I've heard. The problem there Pascal'shad is that he's done great work on
TV. He's he was a lotof fun in Game of Thrones, wasn't
it long enough? But his transitioninto films, he's been great in all
of them. But the films he'sbeen in have not been great. Yea,
I will say you mentioned. Listen, it's gonna be real tough to

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keep the three of us on trackthe whole way through. Already, I'm
not even gonna try. I don'twant to start by immediately DERAILI guess.
But good lord, this movie onceagain made me angry at Wonder Woman eighty
four all over again because Pedro Pascowas too good for that crap. Okay,

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there you go. I mean I'mjust growing down his his TV and
I've come across. He did afilm two years ago called We Can Be
Heroes and which he played a charactercalled Marcos Morino. That's another guy went
to university with, just throwing meprobably like wait, my mate, Marcus,
he had nothing to do with this. He doesn't counta but just I

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just thrown by everything I had preparedfor this show. I was like,
wait, hang on, Peter Pascalis my friend from UNI. That's not
What are your initial thoughts on theUnbearable Weight of Massive Talent? Not surprisingly
similar to Janette, I don't actuallylike watching trailers for movies. For the

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most part, I can't help myselfwhen it comes to things like Star Wars,
Jurassic Park. You know, Ihave my weak spots and I'll watch
them, But in general I typicallyavoid trailers because they, especially comedies,
they often, you know, giveaway all the funny parts. And I
will tell you something, all ofthe funny parts that you laugh at in
the trailer are even funnier in themovie. They're not ruined for you.

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They are amplified, and that isdifficult to do. The part with the
wall, I was having bladder controlissues. I was snickering so loudly and
trying to hold it in, whichI don't know why I was because I
was in the theater with just myoldest son and too olderly he's behind us,
but I was trying so hard tohold it back. It was beautiful.

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It was beautiful comedy. I don'tknow how it worked. I can't
figure out how it works, butevery little bit of it worked, and
it was refreshing to watch something thathasn't been done before. It isn't following
a checklist. I'm okay with someprogrammers, if you do them right,
they're They're quite enjoyable. There's acomfort of knowing what's coming and the ebb

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and flow of the storyline. Butthis one was just like taking LSD and
driving. It was exactly that.There were really really great moments, hysterical
moments, sometimes a little scary,some loving, affectionate moments, and I
have to say, too, okay. I will give Nick Cage's props.
Playing himself and playing himself the wayhe played himself couldn't be easy, and

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I believe the only person that couldhave done this well it would have to
be Nick Cage. But Nick Cage. I was trying to think going through
who else could have they've done this? Because the to the film, Tom
Will he apparently approached Nick Cage fouror five times, and he said now
each time, which I mean everyonemakes a sex h fine, Cage doesn't

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say no, that's the whole premiseof the movie. But he did.
We found the thing he would sayingno too, and that's playing himself.
But eventually he might have to convincehim after a personal reader letter from from
Tom to him. Great but apparently, and I hope this is true.
One of the backup plans that theyhad, if it Cage upply refused to

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would be to approach Daniel de Lewisto play Nicolas Cage. And I feel
like we've been denied that because psCage said he was like, well,
I felt he felt the heavy characterwas kind of the best character movie.
If he wanted to play Heavy andlet someone else play Nicolas Cage, that
movie would have been insane. Iwould have watched it. Yeah. If

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this starred Andy Samberg as Nikola's Cageand then he had the Cage as oh
gosh, and I want to watchthat too. I so often when you
watch movies and I feel like it'ssomething everyone does the question of would this
movie be better with Nicholas Cage,And I feel like that has been something
that's become part of pop culture.So many people think, Okay, just

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watch this. Would it have beenbetter with Nick Cage? And you get
to this movie and you're like,no, this, this is the highest
level this movie could have achieved.Yeah, they could have daniel LEI,
No, wouldn't have been better.It's fantastic. Would it have been better
if Nick Cage was also playing Hobbyinstant? Maybe? I think where he

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plays every character absolutely, there isa version of this movie somewhere which would
have been hilarious and fun every singlecharacter in it, including own daughter,
Like, yeah, he's math mcclhe's doing the whole thing. I love
to part two where and it's it'sin the beginning and he's talking about all

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all the roles he played, butwhy he worked so much. He's like,
I'm an actor, this is myjob. I'm supposed to What else
am I supposed to do? AndI actually felt like there was so much
sincerity in that statement, and he'slike, well, some of the best
work I did is the stuff whenI'm off. We're back, We're back.
I've always been back. We neverwent away new Yeah, never went

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anywhere, never win anywhere. Yeah, that part I was like, you
know what, that's kind of cool. I like that they they they added
that little bit in It's It's Itdefinitely added a layer of sincerity too,
And because Nick Pitt Cage was playinghimself in it and had a much more
profound impact. Yeah, I feellike this is a film that celebrates the

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career of Cage because there's references toI mean, on a personal level,
the podcast prodict I'm working at themoment, the fact that this film opens
with the end of Connor. Iwas just sold immediately because I watched Connor
a couple of days ago. Whodoesn't every couple of days, who isn't
currently breaking up into chapters to coverand I scene by scene podcast? Who

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isn't doing that? Because I amjust to have recently analyzed the most recent
the ending scene, and then it'son screen that's probably being beaten up to
how Do I Live Without You?It's fantastic and so like so some reason
like Connor is a bitch from theRock of Mandy is referenced the cruise to
the Cage is such a perfect subjectfor this film because his career is so

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diverse. I got back from seeingthis film and my in laws were here
recently. I was told my fatheror law and I said, oh,
it's a great film if you're afan Nicholas Cage, and he like,
what He's just, I'm not reallya fan. He's the same when every
film he does and I punished theface and throw about my house. Well

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yeah, of course, yeah,I mean like, and then you get
to the point, where are thereother actors? Because it's not just the
career list of all the things thathe's done. It's not just his resume
that makes this work. It's thethe rumor mill around him, the character

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he's grown to be in real life, that the all the rumors of,
Like I swear didn't he buy somesort of Egyptian tomb? He has this
point, right, he thought.So there's this whole thing surrounding Nicholas Cage.
But not only do we have therepertoire to work with of some really
amazing movies, some really terrible movieslike I saw a season of The Witch.

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I know some of you did do, But would this have worked with
any other actor who has a similarlike? I keep and I don't want
to be but I keep thinking aboutJohnny Depp. Number one doesn't have the
sense of humor for it, buthas the the crap right, the lifetime
of crap, a big budget success. It like the Pirates films, the

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financial troubles. That's the only otherperson I was like. He seems to
have the same swirling ze stuff aroundhim, but there's no way he would
have a sense of humor to dothis. I don't know. I mean,
he death can be a funny guy. He was in one of the
Rocky shows making fun of himself.I thought he does have some kind of

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I think he has comic timing.I think he does. I don't think
that he's necessarily a funny person,true, but but I've I've seen Nick
Cage do well. I think Ithink he might be able to. It
would have to be a different story, but I think that there could be
something like this with depth. I'dmake a no poop allowed cause. But

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aside from that little Boy, theother one I thought about was Samuel L.
Jackson, just based on the amountof movies he has less like his
real life seems to be very likegolfing, you know what I mean.
So he doesn't have the accumulated topculture stuff around him of being genuinely crazy,

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but the amount of movies he's gotyou could maybe do something with if
he seems certainly fun enough where hemight do something like this if they started
out filming anything other than The Speechand Death and Deep you see, I
would, I guess. I thinkwith Sam Jackson though, and one of

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the things that I get with himand I feel similarly about Nick Cage too,
and it's part of the reason whyeven all of the mythos of his
his real life troubles and the crazinessand his obsession with Elvis. With Sam
Jackson, I do feel like he'sjust working, but he likes it.
Yeah, I like doing this.This is when I stop buying. You
know, he doesn't have a dozenmotorcycles or or like he said, castles

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or or I yea, he didn't. He didn't name his son cal l
I was thinking they could have donesomething similar with like a Val Kilmer type
that he doesn't have the mythos aroundhim as much, or Stallone. I
think could work because he's got he'sgot the depths of depravity in his in

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his also the highs, and he'sdirected his own things and he's made the
push to beat to get when theOscar, he mean he has an Oscar
for writing? He thought that critical. That's interesting. Travolta. I was
kind of toying with, not justbecause of the face off connection, but
just the career that he's had.I felt like John Cusack, he's too

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boring. Maybe yeah, he's becauseyou gotta have an actor who like they
peaked and then they that was awhile ago, and that's cust back to
a tea peaked and he's just beenin the doldrums ever since. But I
think Stallone was the best thing tocome up, you know, I would
like to see it was Stallone,but as a buddy comedy with he and

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Dolph Londren both playing themselves and maybesome sort yes a road trip where the
the accident Lincoln involved in a heist. There you go. I've written you
two smash hits already. Just wait, I've got the sequel. Though the
sequel they have to call Jean Claudebandam. They have to. They have

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to. We don't want into expendablesdiffer. But that brings me to John
Claude van Damn, who would beanother one that would be fun to do
something like this. He did,but he already did I knew I'd seen
before, right, wasn't it justcalled? Yeah? Yeah. Everywhere he

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travels to my dad has ran intohim at some resort and Saint Thomas or
something multiple times. He's there withthis mom all the time. He's he
I guess he's been very nice.But he wears his h J c v
D hat everywhere. So if there'sanyone who's questioning you, he wants to
be like, yes, is mewould you like me to spind kick?
I'll spindkick for you. So that'sthat's question. And he travels everywhere doing

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the splits between two trucks, Andif you guys follow his Instagram, he
does these selfie videos where he's dancingand singing to all the time. I
follow the real life of Sean Claudebizarre and I've seen those. Are they
wonderful? But I will it's soawkward. There are times where I've been

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literally going to bed at the endof a long day going, oh my
gosh, I'm gonna fall asleep rightnow, and I look at my phone
BA c v D Live that's happening. Well, here we go. Oh
lord, it's a good life.So who do you think he's working today.
Do I feel like this in thefuture. I feel like, check

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a decade on the rock he's doingthis film. Um, I don't think
he has the ability to not takehimself too seriously, at least not yet.
Maybe. Yeah, maybe you're rightin a decade, you know.
I I Tom Holland you give himtwo to three decades. Okay, yeah,

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well, but I think he's gotthe personality to have the most fun
with it. I don't think he'llever have the lows that you get with
some of the crazy excesses. Youneed to have the extreme turns in your
personal life away from the films,need to have some kind of very expensive
hobby that drains all of your fundsthat you keep pillowing that depth and to

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Harry Styles, yes, definitely onthe horizon. Yeah, definitely definitely.
Okay, let's try and crawl ourway back to the film show. Okay,
sorry, yeah, yeah, thisis what we're here for today.
Fifteen minute tangent. I do feelI second that, Yes, I do

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as well. So I like metafilms. We'll get more to this into
the spoilers. But I enjoy filmsabout filmmaking where it's clear that they start
describing a film within the film,that the film you're watching is becoming.
What did you think of the metaaspects of this one? Have you ever
seen have Plenty? No, I'venever heard of have Plenty. Ah,

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let me just give a quick googleon that. Make sure that I'm saying
the name right. Um. Isaw in college and it does that.
Yeah, I have Plenty. LeePlenty is a flailing want to be writer,
homeless and apartment sitting for his friend, the wealthy Heavelynd Savage. Well,
she's off visiting family, so Leejumps at the chess to see Heaveland.
It's a rom com, but halfwaythrough you realize he's writing a movie

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that becomes the movie that it isthe movie. Hey, And for some
reason, that's the one I thinkof every time I think of meta movies,
and not enough people have seen it. I think it's a good It's
one of my favorite things when itworks, and in this movie it works.

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It makes you feel like you're inon the joke. You're part of
the joke, and I don't know, there's some there's some other level connection.
You're like, you're doing this forme, aren't you? You made
you made this just this is howmuch you love your fans out here.
This is how much you love thepeople that love the movies. And it
kind of feels like a celebration ofthat. And that is exactly what I

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felt in this. And on theother hand, I have my almost nineteen
year old with me, which wasso nice that he went to the movies
with me. He's like, Idon't know what this is. I said,
just come, we'll go see it. And he was laughing his butt
off through the whole thing. Hedoesn't know any of the nick Nick Cage
mythos. He knows so Nick cageesmy son. So he was watched many

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movies correct exactly, and he waslaughing his butt off at all of those
parts too. He thought it wasfantastic and I was like, so do
you, So, how do youfeel about all that meta stuff? He
was like, I hope that it'scalled that. Yeah, yeah, okay.
He thought it was hysterical too,and there were much older women behind

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us and they were laughing out loudat all of those parts too, which
I like, my parents are superexcited to see this, and I think
they'll love it. Yeah. Good, because because watching this I got the
impression that this is kind of justfor the people on this podcast today.
It's just for like Nick Cage fanswho are also like Journey, big movie
fans. When he's having the combinationswith the therapist with his daughter earlier on

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the film, that I saw alot of myself in that conversation of like,
you like the doctor cominalkgari, right, you mean you appreciate it all?
Like, oh my yes, yes, I got an insight into my
wife's life, my son to themovie I was doing it. I've had

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a little bit you're not a bigNickage fan who cares we're going But hearing
that someone who isn't deepen in thecage of it all still found things to
appreciate and the sounds that loves thefilm makes me very happy that there's things
to be beyond Nick being Nick Gage, you know the nickge films. I
think that if you are a bigNick Cage fan and you've seen all the

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movies and you get the metal levels, like, you'll have a deeper understanding
of it. But I do thinkthis movie works for casual fans or people
who are have a passing familiarity withNick Age and maybe haven't seen everything,
aren't aware of some of the midos. I think they'll still find things to
enjoy with it, and I thinkthat is a very difficult cross section to
pull. I feel like this moviedoes it like it's fun for people who

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maybe don't know a ton of stuffabout Nick Cage. Oh yeah. Helps
that the films they called up alwaysbigger films there that someone one mentioned I
have yet to see Guarding Tests.That's what I've never seen. I haven't
either, So on my list,snap, I will get to it,
not just because of this film,but you know, I recently watched Snake

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Eyes The Cage one. I enjoyedit a great deal. Reso, Yeah,
I toltally this on another podcast recently. My main comeback out of that
one is Kevin Dunn is in thatfilm as a TV reporter. Gary Sneeze's
character is called Kevin Dunn. Wow, and Kevin ken done at all he

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seen. Where I realized this waswhen Kevin Dunn was interviewing Gary Sonese like
and that was Commander Kevin Dunn,thank you, and he walked away and
I had to pause a film becausemy mind was imploding. I had this
comation with my wife and she waslike, so a kid, I mean,
can that guy get his please?He's lol and just got in the

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Transformers films. Oh much more.Whenever I see him in anything, it
makes me happy. He's one ofthose guys and he shows up that he
does the work hot shots right therealone. Okay, I have a question
for you guys too, because Ionly thought about this maybe the day after,

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and it occurred to me that Imight be crazy. Also, so
as Nick is going through Hobby's collectionof all of his stuff, of course,
Nick's ego is inflated and he's enjoyingand he loves it. Oh,
he's got all my stuff. You'rea big fan. It occurred and I'm
thinking the same thing. I'm like, oh my god, that's so awesome.

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Look how cool he is. Thenext day, I thought, would
other people think that that's crazy?Opens the room and says I if I
let you in here is going tochange how you feel about me, And
instead it just kind of deepens hisappreciation of him. Yeah. Imagine that
to the wife character Sharon Hogan Olivia, you would think he was a lunatic.

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Yes, of course, and he'ssupposed to be like a normal person,
and that's when I realized that I'mnot a normal person. It was
just further confirmation because I was enamoredwith the entire room and I want one
myself. I just wanted for scouringfever. The line of the seeing the
face off statue, Um, howmuch would you pay for the six I'll

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give you twenty thousand dollars for itright now, with almost no emotion.
I'll give you twenty thousand dollars forit right now. This is the guy
to make some money by a terriblemannequin of himself. Further broke though.
I know it's grotesque and it's killingoff. The delivery of Cage on some

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of these lines, like going backto would someone else have worked in this
role? No, because of thewade Nicolas Cage delivers Mick Cage lines.
Yes, and I radically he's todo that like actually playing yourself, but
also you know, taking it alevel up from how and who you normally

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are too, because he's still acting. It's it's like Nick. It couldn't
be more Nick Cage. It makesit. It was making my brain explode
even right now. No one hasmade the wording last longer. Thanks I
was going to try and emulate itin my introduction. I didn't even want
to try. I couldn't. Ijust couldn't all do the justice. So
yeah, he told me the way. What's his name from the wire owns?

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She? Oh, Frankie. Yes, all the time. We agree
no one else could do the roleof Cage as well as Cage did here,
correct. Yeah, And I Iwent into this film kind of thinking
this is gonna be like fun,that he's gonna be taking the mick out
of himself. He's probably not gonnabe great in it. I love Nick

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Cage and what he does, andI think he's he always commits fully to
every role he's in, but Ididn't expect him to be this good.
There are moments in this when I'mlike, oh, yeah, he's a
good actor. Sometimes I forget yeah, But you know, you can be
a great actor, and sometimes whenyou're the movie is poor enough and the

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role itself is poor enough, youcan't make it work. And Nick Cage
is the definition of that. Sometimes. Yes, as I pointed out,
I saw a Susan of the Witch, so I was trying to think,
when's the last time he made anormal movie like a film where if you
replaced him with Colin, just anotheractor, it's just like somebody's dad in

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a in an ensemble piece. Yeah, because the things he don't recently pig
will He's wonder Land, not includingthe crude that that doesn't count. Uh,
It's like the once I've seen recentlyare pig He's on the land,
primal a Kyle Chandler's role. Yes, there you go. But these are
these are all like I don't knowwhat he makes these sources. I don't

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think he chooses this stuff. Ithink he finds stuff that he finds interesting.
And he's a crazy person, sohe's a fineness of interesting. I
think usas Indianapolis men of courage.A film I have not seen but have
hurdles, feels like it's a normalrole. It's just that it's you know,
it's a Tom Hanks from what wasthe Greyhound He's plays captaining a ship.

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I don't know, but that wasn'ta big film, the last like
big film the Hanks that some ofthe hum the ones I think the string
of big um action movies, youknow, those were a little more normal

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maybe when he was on that run, but it was still a little bit
different. They weren't just standard.No, no, they weren't. They
were wild. That was what attractedeverybody to them. Maybe, yeah,
yeah, I actually just watched watchthat again recently too. I was thinking,
like, I hate that one.It's that that was the string of

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knowing, like Next and a coupleother ones like that. They're all the
same to me, all of them. I can't get back knowing its cuts
at vibe to it. I'm like, this guy has this information and needs
to get out there. No onebelieves him. But also it's terrible,
really, it's it's it's on thetop of my list of movies. He's

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done that I hate, hate themost. But you couldn't put someone else
in that role and it have justbeen worse. That's That's what I'm trying
to get at. Were like andthat was two thousand nines. I was
over a decade ago. Since then, he's just been making these off kilter
sometimes steff you released, sometimes straightto streaming, like many films on him.
I've never heard of had a tokarev. And there's there's looking at this

(31:18):
list, there's the many one herein fury about the in into the Spider
Verse, the Spider Man in Noirand how good he was. Yeah,
he's fantastic. Highlight of the filmhighlights. That was one of those little
little ones that I caught on likeNetflix or something, and I'm like,

(31:42):
I'm not going to watch that.Why because Nick Cage just will make any
movie. And then my husband waslike, no, no, we should
watch it. And that was reallygood. I think that was the last
one that I just kind of stumbledupon that was was a solid movie.
Yeah. Also was still drinking then, so my judgment is questionable. I
haven't seen Joe, but I've heardyour things about it, so I think
you're probably. I did like it. I would watch it again. But

(32:05):
the next is in his top floorin IMDb as a crime. Oh that's
just disgusting. Face off, Vegas, the Rock. They agree with all
those three? Well look at justlook at twenty seventeen. There's five movies
here. How many have you heardof? Southern Fury Again, I've never

(32:27):
seen any vengeance, a love storyInconceivable, The Humanity Bureau Dark, which
she plays Evan Lake, And thenwhat I've seen Mom and Dad. I
wish he's great. Mom and Dadda'sa fun film. Parents try and kill
their kids us. So he andsome of it are a married couple when
they get infected by something that makesme want to kill their own kids.

(32:50):
It's it's a knick cage film.Oh yeah, he was in The Sorcerer's
Apprentice. I liked that. Yeah, there was after I think kick Ass,
Yes it was, that was.I love what I mean, my
goodness. Next, I mean Renfield'scoming up with playing Dracula. I cannot

(33:12):
give enough money to see that filmthat I'm not except that he's playing Joe
Exotic. That doesn't interest me atall. Can we stop he's gonna play
He's gonna play Joe Exotic in aTV series? Yeah, I just saw
the documentary. I just haven't donebecause we don't endure endorse animal abuse,

(33:37):
and no one should. So canwe just let that obscurase? I agree,
everyone who's involved with that entire seriesjust needs to go away. We
need hi, Carol Baskin bum Soyou shouldn't be on Dancing with the Stars,
is what I'm hearing. Correct,he should be in age. Na.

(34:00):
Let me let me shift this.When you were watching the credits of
this movie and the daughter's name cameup as Lily Sheen. Um how much?
How quickly did you have to checkto see which Sheen she was?
I didn't even think about that inEngland Michael Sheen and um, so oh

(34:22):
that's why she's so beautiful as beautifulwoman alive agreed. Yeah, oh yeah
Michael Sheen playing Actually yeah, Ican. I can see Machine having this
film. I feel like, yeah, that's that makes sense. The wel
threemaker and he's yeah, he verymuch takes makes one of himself and has

(34:46):
an incredible sense of humor. Andmy god, look at the list of
women that he's been in a relationshipwith. Yes, um, I did
find and I are we pass thespoilers on it almost almost. Let's just
talk about the rest of the casta little bit, and that's where I

(35:07):
want the Tiffany hash. Yeah,that's we've been going for over half an
hour. Yes, the spoiler wasnow dropped put up. I never went
at what that was spoilers. Sliptone was if you haven't seen it,
if you've listened to the Three ofUs wax Lyrical about how incredible this film
is and aren't gonna go and seeit, I feel like you just need
to say this in the podcast.Either way, we're gonna spoil the rest

(35:29):
of the film, Janette, pleasetake it away. Um, I just
the Tiffany Hartish and Nike Bearon Holtsadding the CIA character. So he goes
to this he needs the money,goes to the meets up with Hobby.
Um a great but in the airportis sidetracked by Tiffany Haddish and Nike Baron
holds a CIA agents because they believethe Hobby is a cartel head of a

(35:53):
cartel, drug runner, gun runner, et cetera. I was pleased and
disappointed at the amount of Tiffany Harrisonand Barren Holtz we got. I sometimes
it's too much of them. Sometimesit's bad enough. I couldn't figure out.
And then they very unceremoniously I removedfrom the movie very quickly. There

(36:15):
is more. I was mistaken inwhat I was seeing when that happened.
I'm like, did they really justdo that? Now they're gonna do something
else. Barren Holt from the filmmany many scenes prior to that. He's
but that is the scene in whichhe dies. Yes, but you don't
see him for like half an hourbefore that scene, and in that scene
where he dies, you don't seehis face. He gets one scene.

(36:37):
It was strange. I'm like,well, maybe see they're not really in
this. I thought they had himfor a day. Yeah, but they
had Tiffy Haris for like two extradays, so very conspicuously not showing you
his face he was dead. Butyeah, I liked them. This is
what I thought about the messness ofthis. So they fall sporters now,

(37:00):
so he goes to the island.Pedro Pascal is working on a screenplay,
and so Nick Cage has to stayto Deservedance and they stay in they write
screenplay, and the screen play thatthey right becomes a film we see at
the end of the film where we'rebeing shown this story, I feel like
the film that we're watching stick withMe is the film that they wrote.

(37:22):
Yeah, at the end. Soin real life this was This wasn't Nick
Cage, this wasn't Pedro pascaled tohave you who They cast Pedro Pascal to
play because he's great, and theycast Sharon Horgan, they cast Tiffany hash
But in a real life version,there's less Cia involvement. There's there's less
like movie eising of it. Sothe scene where he does the Cluso routine

(37:45):
of scratching his boy. But that'sall like heightening of this real life in
air quotes story that happened. Ijust wanted to But when we get to
the bit at the end where wesee the film within a film, which
is at this point they film witha film within a film, and it's

(38:07):
how featuring Demi Moore as the versionof Sharon Horgan, I want to like,
I want to see that film andwho who was page a scout in
that film? Wasn't that? LikeAntonio banderis in that one, and then
Antonio banderis in this movie? Andit is there a film at end of
that film in which they precast everyoneto get how many levels down do we
get the knick Cages all of theroles within this spiral in every single one

(38:30):
of these Nick Cage place himself,yes, at least himself, if not
other people as well. But yeah, taking a step back to that scene
in which they tell him he needsto get into the security room of the
man. He's setting up cameras onthe cameras I think or is trading,
yeah camera so they can hack intothe security whatever. It doesn't even matter,

(38:52):
the fact that they're like, yeah, peel off this thing, put
the stick hum on your hand,and then as soon as you touch the
guard, you're gonna knock him out. Just be careful not to touch yourself.
And he leaves out the door andimmediately like throws his eye and it's
like, yea, he was likea high did you touch your face?
And then yes, and then thefact that physical comedy not something I expected

(39:16):
from him. Of the next Idon't know ten to fifteen minutes of being
trying to fight off the drug that'sgonna knock him out, and then he
passes out on the ground before hecould give himself an anadote, and Tiffany
Hannis's solutionists go, I loved brilliant. But it was absolutely brilliant. It

(39:37):
was I think I think it wasthe funniest part of the movie for me
and I slapstick for me. It'sit's it's one way or the other.
There's not usually and in between.It's either done really well and I love
it or I hate it and Ifeel like it was it was cheap and
done awful. It was, Yes, this was high tier glory. I

(40:00):
mean, this is how you doit and it's so unexpected. Jay,
you were right in the Cluzo esque. It is some of like the Peter
Seller's top level. Well, yes, I like Rowan Atkinson as a performer.
He's great. Yeah. This isvery similar to have seen in one
of the Johnny English films where hehas like there's a truth sermon one thing

(40:20):
and a muscle reaccent and the othergets confused and he ja himself with muscle
reaccents. He can't talk, andso that seems as good as here.
That's this is like Nick Cage bringsan element like you expect physical comedy from
Rowan Atkinson. He's mister bea,He's been doing this forever. But this
is seeing Nick Cage do it anelement. I mean it's given. They

(40:43):
say in thirty seconds he's gonna belike in a coma dead garden on his
own vomit. And then he's goingabout five minutes corning outside of the building,
crawling on a ledge outside. Ohbut I will say, yes,
Heather, Well, this movie that'sseen one of the funniest movies. Let's
get back to the scene on thewall. That scene is the best part
of this movie. The fact andnumber one he Hobby has shown him the

(41:07):
screenplay. He goes, yes,let's write our own movie because he has
to send his face so the CIAcan get more. Surbillance tells Hobby,
yeah, your screenplay loved it.I'm not gonna do that. Let's come
up with our own movie and havingthose we need to find inspirations. They
both take lest the fact that hethen texts. It begins with the text
to the half you've gotten to theroom because they think that hobby Is has

(41:32):
kidnapped the daughter of to affect anelection in whatever doesn't even matter. Have
you gotten to the room yet isa text from the CIA. His response,
No, I am just dropped acidb RB. Yes, cent currently

(41:58):
on acid BRB. Oh my god, that was right, Like you said,
they have no problem driving on acid. And then they get where they're
sitting. They think they're being surmailedby two random news so they set off
to run away, and then theyhave to escape over a wall, which
the physical comedy the two of themtogether the overly dramatic how serious they are.

(42:25):
Did they really believe this is happening? Which is the beauty of it.
So you're in on the joke,But there's also this really sweet bonding
happening. If a fact that you'reheavier than you look, I haven't really
thig I have a really big head. I know. You could just walk

(42:52):
around the wall, which of courseis a joke. You can see coming
a mile away, and it stillplays. It's gonna be funny on the
hundredth time you watch it. Absolutely, it's exactly I was. I knew
it was coming, and I waspreparing myself. I'm like, oh man,
this part so funny, and Ialready saw it, and then I

(43:12):
was sitting there laughing even louder andmore obnoxiously. It was beautiful, absolutely
beautiful, and I Pedro Pascal Itoo. I have to. I have
to go on about him for justa minute, because he really is.
And like you guys pointed out too, he's He's definitely had a lot of
television stuff. I mean, Ithink the first thing I saw him in
was that I recognized who he wasthe first thing I ever saw him.

(43:37):
And he had a really tiny roleon Buffy and got murdered. Yeah,
he was on an episode Buffy whenshe goes to her college years. Um,
it's it's one of the first episodesof I think season four, when
she's in college and she meets thisguy Eddie and they're both lost and kind
of like, man, this isn'tworking out for us, and Buffy thinks
she finally made a friend and thenEddie's like, yeah, I'll see it's

(43:59):
more. We can walk together andhe turns around and gets eaten by a
vampire. Didn't recognize him. Yeah, yeah, And then the next thing
I saw him and where I recognizedwho he was was on burn Notice.
And he's on the special like smallmovie that they did for Bruce Campbell,
The Fall of Samax, and he'sBaracrus and he's actually really really good in

(44:21):
it. He comes off as agood guy and he's charming and you like
him in person and you find outhe's a villain. But I the whole
time, I was like, thisguy's this guy's got something. I like
him. He's in a scene withBruce Campbell and he's not Bruce Campbell's not
exactly this entire because he will soafter that, I kind of had my
eye on him and and have enjoyedhim thus far, but I've never seen

(44:45):
him do comedy before. And it'sthe faces he made he's so bloody and
fearing, it's like a child face. Yeah, this movie, like this
is a Nick movie about Nige beingNick Cage, and yet Pedro Pascal walks
away with parts of it. Yeshe does, and he doesn't while still

(45:06):
sharing the space with Nick Cage.It's really really lovely and he just endeared
him to me Ethan more and heneeds to go do things. And also
he is a beautiful man. Ohgoodness, you talk about this. There
are some actors where like you seethem and stuff and you're like, hey,
they're good, and then when youstart to see them in interviews,

(45:28):
you're like, you know what,this guy is great. Every interview I
see with him, he's charming,he's fun, he's appreciative, he's happy
to be doing what he's doing.There's one I don't It was one of
those BuzzFeed Auto whatever interviews, Buthim and Oscar Isaac together, I want
more of that. They're just he'sgreat and yeah, we well, I

(45:50):
think I can speak for both ofyou. We love the Mandalorian. He's
that's one. Yes, I kindof more through away. I well think
that when when like a well,he's fundamentalist about the helmet nonsense, like,
yeah, we want to look atyou. I get that it's easy
for you to show up to thevoice recording booth and not have to do

(46:14):
all the work in the volume becausewe want to see more of you.
Pedro. Absolutely, I think rightafter I think right after the end of
season two, I and because wegot to see him a couple of times
then too, I was like,oh, I forgot, he's so lovely.
And I think I watched Narcos rightafter that just because I wanted to
see him and I've been I'd beenputting off watching him for a while too,
and he was fantastic in that.Yeah, I have started that yet,

(46:37):
Oh you want to watch him?He looks, Oh gosh, yeah,
you'll want to watch it. He'slike, he looks like freaking Burt
Reynolds, but looking because tight hands. He's got the vibe going on,
he's got the it's the timeline,it's the pants, the mustache, it's

(46:58):
the bravado, it's it's it's thatwhole. I'm not trying to be the
sexy and smooth, but I can'thelp it. As vulnerable as as in
this one though, I feel likehe's maybe even he's too good here where
when he's believed to be this uhgang, drug running gang leader, it's

(47:20):
been too nice immediately, don't believeit? Well, And honestly, I
think that's what I like the twistabout that, where it is you kind
of assume, like, well,the CIA got him obviously, this hobby
guy is terrible and everything the same, the twist of it's not really Haavey,
it is the cousin. I likethat. I think that added a
lawyer two where you could really geton board with Hay it would make sense.
Yeah. Yeah, And it's notan implausible scenario either at all.

(47:46):
It's it's reasonable enough, which alsoled to Nick Cage's disguise as the other
crime more. Thank you, thankyou for the track suit. That's all
I have to say. Well,and I was thinking when he came out,
I was like, no one,no one's buying this, right you

(48:07):
see that Nick Cage. But theydo for a while, and I mean,
thank you for buying into it.More of that scene took oh god,
so ridiculous. Um So just therest of the cast. I really
like Sharon Horgan and everything so wonderful. No, Patrick Harris is great,

(48:30):
small role, He's not respecting himself. But he's he's like one bil he's
got on the phone when Nick Cageis saying, oh that thing in New
Yorker, and it's so depressing,so demeaning that I would take it.
It's great. It's gonna be funon a dime, spin around. Fantastic.
Yeah. Also the scene where theywere getting massages. Yeah, yes,

(48:50):
yeah, see scene and yet hilarious. And there's a few cameos.
We've got David Gordon Green is thedirector at the Star who Nick Cage just
acts its heart out too. Youdon't have to read for me. I'm
gonna read for you, don't.But then he uses it later in the

(49:13):
bofect. If you're worried about theBoston accent, I can do the Boston
accent. But there was a twine. It wasn't It wasn't fully that it
was enough. Oh, Demimo playshis wife in the film within a film.
She was an odd choice, Ithought, because she mean that she

(49:35):
was She was cast as more ofa known actress than was in the film
non actress Sharon woman. But she'sgot much of a box of the school
for some reason, couldn't be schedulingand travel and pandemic. Okay, but
I think that would have made moresense because of the gone in sixty seconds
connection. I really would have likedthat. Yeah, I was trying to

(49:55):
think who from his like back catalogit could have been. Because he doesn't
have many female co stars who havegone too better things, He's would have
been a good choice. And honestly, if you made this movie with Andrew,
Elina Jolie is a lead, like, that's another one who yeah,
from time time cannot take herself tooseriously, but also has a fard around

(50:20):
her personal lively boils of blood aroundher neck kind of thing. Yeah,
that would be interesting. I mean, Billy Bob could start in this as
well. He could have been eatingfruit loops as a villain. Richards would
be funny on board with this filmstarring Billy Bob Thornton. Who else?

(50:45):
Like who has Nika start with?Who is who could have played his wife
in this one? And like youwouldn't want Elizabeth's shoe because it would be
too sad? Ye now it wouldbe a total downer. But I love
HALIONI was was his wife in Theweather Man. I think, oh no,
that was hype. David Oh yeah, I thought, Yeah, it

(51:07):
was, it was. I'm tryingto I am. I'm trying to think
he's largely largely overshadows all of hisfemale co stars. Yeah, Monica Potter,
but I don't. I don't wantthat. Yeah, who was who

(51:27):
was his wife in National Treasure?What's her name? I love? Oh
it was Diane Krueger. I hadforgotten she was in it when I watched
her recently. She I like her, But again, you don't think of
her when you think of that movieeither. Okay, was in the Family
Man, That's what it was?Very different? Yeah, I was.

(51:52):
I knew, I knew it wasn'ther in The web Man, but I
couldn't. Think he's been in anotherfilm and it's the same film. I
couldn't. Yeah, I think ofhis career and Jeanie Jelly is the best
shout Collique Geno from Snake Ice Maybemaybe, yeah, I mean she's still
wrote it to be popular these days. Yeah, okay, fine, Yeah

(52:15):
she is. She's She's the mostfun choice too, and most probable to
actually do it. So, butI think you also want someone who as
soon as they show up in thatmovie within the movie at the end,
with the audiences a beauty and they'relike, oh, look who it is.
I didn't recognize them like an actress. Okay, we can talk about
that. In her face was listen. Um. I feel like that was

(52:37):
the desire, right. So that'swhy again when I think you have to
go back to Angeline's really, Ithink that would have been a bigger pow
moment having Antelina there and said itto me more. It took me a
second. I was like, whoais it to me? More? No,
that's not to me? Wait isit? And they could have had
Emma Stone as as his movie actressdaughter because from the Cruise. From the

(53:00):
Cruise. I don't know why,but I love that line. I loved
you in the Cruise. You knowI did that movie with him a Stone.
Okay, bye, one of aboutthat, but I loved that interaction
and the like I haven't seen Cruisethough, I'm a thory for your old
man. I have it on DVD. So, but something that's going to
be fun for a second viewing too, is looking for maybe little other little

(53:22):
bits that we didn't get, LikeI was, I was waiting for a
Lord of War reference in some kind, since you know they were crying hards,
drug runners and gun runners and thatkind of thing. And I'm like,
there has to be something I wantto hear Lord of War. We
have we haven't. We haven't mentionedthe other Nicholas Cage who appears Nikki.
Oh, yes, that every timehe is having doubts or concerns or that

(53:50):
his him from um what errow?Would you kind of moon struggle at t
shirt wild at heart Era shows upand yells at him about his career.
Yeah, I was kind of hopingwe would get more different Knick Cages throughout
the years, coming to him atdifferent times. Yes, I thought that's

(54:13):
where it was going to. Thatwas that was the direction. I thought
that it was it was going togo. But they further developed than Nikki,
so I wasn't so mad, especiallywhen we got the smooch scene.
That would be huge payoff. Tellthem Nick like I have, I have
my inner mad woman voice that I'mconstantly having to tell be quiet. I

(54:37):
need a Nikki Coppola in my headthat makes out with me and motivates me.
I'm sure there are some listeners whowould who would read that fund fiction,
and he did. It wasn't drivingin gold In sixty seconds. It
wasn't running in national tragedy, thoselittle touches. I popped some good wheelies
with this response to and I'd likewhen you find how the nikki that shows

(55:04):
up in his head is telling himto do terrible things, and when he
finally tells me, you know youleave, I'm catus, And when when
he's talking to Tiffany Harrish and he'slike saying, he's talking about the screenplay
that they're writing instead of doing theCIA work, and just you watch her
internalize all of her fury and angerand just having to deal with this this

(55:25):
actor, and it's like, sotell me about the screenplay. Maybe she
does a marketing the kidnapping and thatyou need to solve the Kidnapping's like she's
talking to a toddler is going throughahead of that. She she did a
great job at that ed figuring outthe best way to handle Mecky Cage.

(55:51):
Yes, yeah, I was disappointedthat they swapped shoes at one point for
no real reason and no one saidlike I want to take your shoes.
Oh, didn't happen. Didn't happentoo obvious, So it's maybe a good
thing it didn't happen? How doyou go do? Obvious worked in many

(56:12):
occasions in this movie, it couldhave worked. Ok, you're right,
there's no reason, and yet theyswitched shoes. Excepted them later being like,
why are you fast? Your shoeshave no traction. I also felt
validated by that scene because I wasinspecting both their shoes for quite a bit,
like they are just so well dressed. I love everything that they're wearing.

(56:32):
They were both very well dressed.You know what. I wanted a
little bit more from is and Iforgot her name now, but the woman
that Hobby was into but he couldn'tbe because of the business. Yeah.
Enough. Could have used a littlebit more of that throughout the whole movie,
like little glances between them were likeno, it can't happen, or
because the first thing he's there whenNick Cage is like, no, I'm

(56:53):
not stay in bed, I'm jetlight and she leaked it. I was
just like, hoy, was youdone it? You go down there like
I needed because at the end yourealized how he's been in love with her
and he can't be with her becauseof the family or whatever. I wanted
a little more from that. Iwanted a little more so that the payoff
was yeah, yeah, there wasthere was. I mean, they definitely

(57:15):
gave you a little clues along theway that there was something there, but
it was more of just oh,okay, well that's I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna roll with it because that'swhat you do with this movie. But
I agree they were really into eachother, but a little more that they
couldn't be together. So then atthe end when they just defy everything and

(57:36):
they end up together, you're like, Okay, I felt kind of sorry
for the other girl who was kidnapped, who we see the start is a
fine of Nick Cage. She getsrescued by Nick Cage. That's that's a
therapy session at least several to whatever. It's like, she's been kidnapped for

(57:58):
a long time and she's rescued byNicholas Cage in hispanic face. It's just
a na And also the knife thatlays in the back of the truck and
we see three times and you're thinking, well, obviously this knife is going
to pay off, but it hasn'tyet. His daughter picks up and throws

(58:20):
it to him. I would haveliked if she had something thrown it directly
at the bed game. That wouldhave been because that would have been because
at that point we cut to itbeing a movie, right, and that
would have been a real proper moviemoment. But then that would throw the
heroic action away from the star andto this daughter who within the one of
the film, Anna McDonald plays her. She's not like an established actress.

(58:45):
She's been a few things here andthere, but she's not like a huge
star. So if she's been,if that were Emma Stone, I can
see her getting that heroic moment there. One of the things that I really
enjoyed too was that they did takereferences from a lot of the film season
but also the real life contributions hemade in those movies, like doing his

(59:06):
own stunts and like driving the carsand gone in sixty seconds. They were
yes, yes, like some ofthat stuff was actually kind of cool,
and some of the was a littlebits of me going, hey, I
didn't know that that's awesome. Andwhen it came to some of the car
chase scenes, that's the first thingI thought, I'm like, Okay,
so Nick Cage can actually drive,just not on LSD. So in my

(59:30):
head now I'm going how many timeshas he driven on acid, because well,
I want to know, New Yorka mountain roads. My goodness,
Well, she can insistently roll offinto the water. That was what I
was concerned about. But I don'tthink he kicked in yet because it does
take a little while. However,they did liquid drops on their tongues,

(59:51):
so it should have been a prettypretty fast turnaround. And I don't know,
I've never smoked a cigarette. Thatis beautiful. Well, if I
allegedly had ever experienced anything like thisin my life, uh, sometimes it
hits you faster and sometimes it takesa while. I would imagine what Hobby

(01:00:15):
had was top of the line andprobably hit them pretty quickly. And that's
why my first reaction to is,oh, it's so not good to do
that on the cliff. But dependingagain on the potency and how you absorbed
the LSD, it can last fortwenty four to forty eight hours too.
Why they've already wittingly jumped off ofa cliff so once once they started with

(01:00:44):
the paranoia and the adventurer I II'm very pleased with how they did all
of it. That's another thing too, Like with slapstick, for me,
sometimes drug scenes or or where they'reused for comic timing. Um, they're
done poorly. And in this case, I thought they did a really good
job of it, but they couldhave stretched it out just a little bit

(01:01:05):
more. Like for me with MartinLawrence when he's on ecstasy and Bad Boys
Too, that was that was perfect. That is those are that's up there,
top tier drug comedy for me.If you're going that, no one
has ever said bad Boys Too andperfect in the same sentence before, so
it's had their backs and now Walshand I'll say it about more things than

(01:01:28):
Bad Boys Too. I love thatmovie, and I'm not ashamed of Michael
bay movies at all, but butit did, it did. It's a
really really good job of keeping keepingthe humor with him. But I could
have I could have used just alittle bit more, a little bit more
to make the last just a littlebit longer. And then I knew that
when he was driving that he wasgoing to start smashing up the car,

(01:01:49):
which it was a beautiful car.It made me a little sad. But
but I have just two more points. One, I want to applaud the
film for giving Paddington two. It'sdue as one of the greatest films that
I thought. I thought as well. Honestly, yes, I was like,
oh, she's gonna love this.Yeah, because if you haven't seen

(01:02:09):
Painton two, perfect film, amazingfilms, incredible film makes one of the
few films. Consensus about that movieis that it's flawless. Yeah, and
it is. But but picking upto watch for somebody who hasn't seen Paddington
one Crime pat Into one also great, padding to do better. But all
the saying you need to watch Patonwant to understand Painton two, But that's

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the order you should watch this oneis one, then two, don't watch
two, and then the inferial oneespecially. Was it like it'd be like
saying, Okay, watching Empire strikesBack, then watch Star Wars. It's
not you need to say, LikeI'm one of people who I actually think
Stars is better than their posts back. I'd like, I'd like Empire great

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down, But you would never suggestsomebody watch Empire without Star Wars, right
right? Oh that's stilly, okay, nonsensical. Actually I'm going to agree
with you on anyway. I sawthat it was on Netflix, and I
was going to watch it with Adamand I haven't seen it yet, and
I was like, oh, Jaysays, this is great. I'm going
to put it on. And thenI paused and I went, no,
we gotta watch the first one first, but it wasn't on there, which

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which how rude. Netflix has thesecond one. Yeah, they want to
mess with miss Fine, we'll getthere. We're gonna get there though,
Jay, and I promise I'll letyou know good to look forward to it.
Yea, it is very good andit's one of the few films that
doesn make me cry. It's gotvery very happy cry ending to say and
always. This is the six hundredand thirty third episode of The of the

(01:03:36):
lamp Gast. Other than a smallsegment on the Curen Brothers direct retrospective talking
about rasing Arizona and The Spider Manin Front, I look back looking at
into the Spider Use. This isthe first Nick Cave film that's been covered
on the what that is a MichaelBay retrospect or. There was a Nicholas

(01:04:00):
Cage draft episode, so I feellike a lot of them were covered on
that very funny show, which wasdone just before I took over as the
host. But I was on thatshow because I suggested that show. God
damn it, I had a wonderfultime in recording that one. Yeah,
no one has successfully championed in acage film a movie in a month.
Wow, that's that's utterly bizarre.However, I was surprised when I gave

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you a list for the franchises becauseI assumed that most of those had been
done, and they were gave JAhave been done. I'm like, Okay,
well, I've got something for nextyear, next year, and yeah,
I'm gonna keep. Now that I'velearned that two movies can be a
franchise, I'm going to continue withthe Fugitive US Marshals National Treasure. Here

(01:04:49):
we come, Oh go to sixtyseconds and the original apparently co okay do
I don't even have anything more todiscuss on the invariable weight of massive talent?
What title it's been shortened the placesto just massive talent. I feel

(01:05:14):
like that massive till but I likethe unbearable weight of massive talent. Yeah,
I just start to finish. Itwas just so enjoyable, just so
enjoyable. I needed that. Ineeded that, I really did. I
had to be in a theater andlaughing. Ye, yes, you said,
your theater was just you and twoof you. Mine was just me
and then two other people. Iwant more people to see this. I

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think ten people in My screening wasa Saturday morning. Okay, well that's
fair. But I went and sawthe new Wizarding World film last weekend.
I didn't want to go. Imean, it's been out here for a
week. Radyo saw East the Sundaymorning. I was a guest on the
out Now with our an A podcast. I had no intention to go to
see this film, but I kindof committed to something. I got stuck

(01:06:01):
in it anyway, So there werevery few people in the cinema with me
seeing that on Easter Sunday morning.Fine, but one thing, there's there's
a parallel between that one and theThe film is fine, it's it's last
one. I mean, anything isbetter than the last one, right,
surgery without an esthetic better than thelast one. But it's I quite enjoyed

(01:06:28):
the first one in this has beena franchise where it's like magic Pokemon Go.
I enjoyed that. Let's go catchit. It's like any Redmins doing
a seduction dance for a whale rhino. I just enjoyed the nonsense of it
all. One thing I love aboutthat franchise is the only thing I think.
I love that franchise is that theykeep on having these problems in the

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world where the only solution is ananimal, and they have the the as
established in this most written one,the wizarding world's only zoologists. He's the
only one. He's on the case, and every problem he comes across,
there's an animal at the heart ofit. So in this new one there
is a prison escape I won't givedetails with the prison escape that where the

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main threat in the prison is ananimal of some kind, and like the
bad guys know that the only wizardingzoologist is the main person who's solving these
problems. And they keep on puttingin situations where there is an animal at
the heart, and that amuses meno end. So the fact that in
the umber of way of massive talent, the solution that Nick kg has to

(01:07:34):
every problem is acting, I love. I love that because that's what he
has. Whenever a problem is amale, you use a hammer. So
I love I just love the ingenuityof how can acting solve this? Right?
How can we get there? I'llact, I'll act out of it?

(01:07:55):
What do you work? Absolutely thisis a criticism at all, This
is thing to love about it.I actually appreciated the point he made when
he said, you know what dowe actress do We observe people? We
observe the human condition, and youhave to do that in order to be
a spy. So I can dothis, And that was that was a

(01:08:15):
line the train of thought that wentthere, and I went, you know
what, You're right, You're absolutelyright. I'm on board. You can
be a spy. Nick Cage,I would describe if we find out that
he is in real life, itis this is the fantasy in this movie.
Is the fake reality Steven Seagal hasbeen trying to sell to all of
us was starring in this different,much much worse film. Yeah, does

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he takes himself through. Seriously,the comedy with Steven Seagal is that we're
laughing at him, not with him. Right now, we're hugging Nick Cage
and we're loving him, and we'resharing all of this this affection for him
and his career and everything he's done. And I think that's the best part
of the movie is that it's there'snobody poking fund. There's there's no like
malicious or or nasty humor or anythingwhere anybody's egos are bruised. It's a

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celebration of him and and it's it'sit's it's like a gift to his fans.
He wants to play Egghead in aBatman film. It was like,
yes, do it please anybody?Now, thank you, just getting a
big Nick Cage press drive. Ofall the interviews that he was glorious was

(01:09:27):
Egghead. Yeah, oh god,alright, yeah, that's perfect. It's
a different tone to the Batman having. But you know, let's do it.
Even if it's like like sort ofmade an amazing Spotterman two. We
had Paul Giamatti playing the rhino fora scene. Just have the next film
start like Robert Patterson takes out Eggheadin the first scene. Great, moving

(01:09:56):
on to the rest of the flotjust to satisfy me that little bit.
Please. Okay, So LAMB scoresrace and go out of five head that
watched yet four point five. Itwas delightful. I'm so happy that.
Yeah, I'm gonna say four pointfive as well. Enjoy I am right
there as well. Four point fiveacross the board. Incredible film. Currently

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my favorite film of the sfar woulddefinitely be in my top ten at the
end of the year. Now thatwas the invariabley of massive talent with me
Internet. If you have to listento more episodes of the Lambcasts, they
talk about a whole bunch of stuffmainly these days, mainly new releases,
but also there's a movie the monthevery month I stopt. We mentioned how

(01:10:38):
a known knickage from as one moviethe month that is still the case actually
still hasn't happened yet. I didthink there've been no other knick cage films
covered on the lamcast. That wasnot true. There've beenn episode on the
Crudes too, But the invariable ofmassive talent did did remain in my top
ten films of twenty twenty two atthe end of the year. It was,
in fact my second favorite film therewas only beaten by The Banshees of

(01:11:00):
Sharon and narrowly beat out Cooping DoutRescue Rangers, teaching more insight into the
films that I like you. Asalways, you can hear Mark and I
talking everyone deep. To see thepodcast, you should listen to other corn
other podcast episodes next week on theGreat Conneir chapter to go through, and
I'll pluck the guests as well.Jeanette Ward and I Slight is the mundane
adventures of a fan girl. Shealways has reviews of new features up there.

(01:11:24):
Heather has a podcast Word of hellMouth with Mark Armstead from Fresher Sunday
where they're going through the Offie Sagasepisode. And she has a book,
The Prophecy under a pen name ofHB. Walsh. So come back next
week from the episode of Cornair.But as for this show, I have
been Jake Look. Thank you tomy guests, held backs into wh Jeanette

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Ward and regularly cost Mark offmyer.Come back next week or the Bunny gets
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