Chapter 27 - Undulating Noises

Jay and Mark are joined by Justin Gott (@MrJustinGott on Twitter) to discuss the chapter in which Nicolas Cage says "Hooray." In this episode, they also talk about bicep wind gusts, unnecessary sass, and trustworthy Cage characters. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

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Bunny Down Book, Bunny Down,The Bunny Back in the Box. Hello,

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and welcome to con Era the podcast. I am Mark spin Kick Halfmeyer
and I am Jay Freese Fluids.Welcome to her aboard Conne In the podcast,
Chapter twenty seven. On their show, Mark and I fly away through
Conne in forty scenes with wonderful guests. And this is scene twenty seven.
What happens in connect at twenty seven, well Pole comes to face down in

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the dirt with a gun pointed athim. He stands up in regards to
three minute costing him before he celebratesthe invention of the gun signswer. Larkin
butts in and distracts them, allowingPoe to easily dispatched to the three armed
men before here Larkin draw guns oneach other. Besides, Cyndia is playing
the two chat and Pope heads outto save the day. What Cyndino's pilot
pops his head up? What's thedust has settled? We need a guest

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to help us talk about this chapter. He specifically requested this chapter. He
was a guest on Deeply See thepodcast a couple of times, and formally
from the Running Room podcast. HereI agree on many things and we also
disagree on just as many things.I think that's maybe the anything we get
our things. He disagrees with meon I never hear nice things from Justin.
It's always things I hate. Butwe still like each other. So

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that's good to say, the veryargumentative of very agreeable Justin gust what's going
on, guys. I always worrywhen I put something online because I feel
like Justin's going to pop out ofthe bushes and just yell at me for
it. I just want you tosay something negative about a film once.
That's a lot of negative thing.It's happened, It's happened, It's happened.
Yeah, okay, Mark, HarryCrown go, oh gosh, you

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know we actually have something in commonthen, Mark, because I actually have
a personal grudge against that movie.Larry Crown. Yeah, My very first
script that I ever wrote is abouta forty something year old man who goes
back to college, and shortly thereafter, right right after I finished it,
Larry Crown, I read about itsdevelopment and I got very upset, thinking

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Tom Hanks and Niavardallas stole my idea. But I don't think they did.
I think they're just also come inthe same wavelength. But either way,
I've never seen it strictly out ofthat petty decision. Anyway, I never
seen it. They're all films,small cats. You just need to find
them. I don't have much freetime, can I. If we did
a podcast on Larry Crown, liketen fifteen episodes, you probably love it

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at the end of it. Effect, I have an idea for your third
pod. So you did Blue,you did Conair, and once you're done
with Connair, I think you gothrough movies Mark hats and you just go
through all the movies that Mark actuallydoesn't like and find out why the world
Larry Crown the podcast the world doesn't. I'm just gonna make say I hate

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movies and then just talk positively aboutthem. Hey, let's do uh deep
Blues, you know, like,let's do Crawl Horizon. Yeah about least
favorite. Oh what a movie thefour Ks out? Now, that's another
nineteen ninety seven movie that involves aterrible journey in the air in the space

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yah, the lack of I meanthey were in the air for a while
before they got to space, brieflyinco relatively, So I justin you you
requested this chapter because I think becauseit has three of the all time Cage
quotes. Yeah, I think,Did I actually say Cage quotes? I
did? Oh, Okay, wellI would. I would say it's three

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of my favorite quotes in the wholemovie, and they're all within the span
of about a minute and a half. That's the one thing, and then
the second thing is obviously the roundhousekick that you know is just mesmerizing.
So I think between those two things, Yeah, you know, I thought
it was going to be in November, but here we are in February,
so either away, I'm ready torecord. It's a good thing that Cage

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didn't have sleeves in this movie,because they would just explode off of those
shoulders. I was watching him inthis scene and I'm like, no,
wonder he like he has a sleevelessshirt. The dude is just explained.
And then when that spin kick comes, I mean, he has a long
celebrated history of kicking in movies,but this is art right here. This
is a beautiful spin kick by Cage. Lovely oh man. But then you

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know they knocked out all these henchmen, a guy shot in a leg,
just bleeding out, and then theyhave a long talk. So if you're
a henchman with a leg wound andyou're like a bleeding, like, they're
very silent, so you're just layingthere covering your wound, maybe a bit
can cuss and then listen to thisguy talk about his data and then you
know I might not get back,and you're like, what's happening? Who

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are these two? Why? Why? Like you're just bleeding out with ahead
of the guy. The guy whotries to make a move after the fight,
yea to kick in the face.Yeah, So the other guys are
like, I'm not I'm just gonnabe dead. I don't want that.
Don't just listening to them talk?Yeah, well here like the pilot,

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definitely, he's just hanging out.Hypn is one of the best moment of
this, like hoop to see HIhave a question, y'all? So Nick
Cage he trusts two people who canyou trust? And he's a you know,
I like one of them is me, the other's not you. Which
Nicholas Cage character and his entire filmographyexcept for Cameron Poe, would you trust

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the most? So you have abig secret m and you have to tell
one Nicholas Cage character this secret.I think this is an easy answer Benjamin
France's case. It depends on thesecrets because if you're like, hey,
man, I know where some treasureis, He's gonna go, oh,
do you tell me more? Well, this is interesting. Yeah, it's

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like the most stand up guy,the most honorable guy of of cages for
for amongst them. But hey,I robbed Lincoln and I'm gonna spend his
money. You know, I havea stash and I'm not going to give
it to a museum, like he'sin the tottle on you what about match
Dick Men Nicolas Cage, Right,So he's not really believable, right,

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because you think everything might be alie. So then if he gave up
your secret, someone may not actuallybelieve it because they think he might be
lie. He might be using it, you know, in a kind of
a double back awesome. I don'tknow this car artist is trying to tell
me about something about Justin boum believehim because he's he fleeced me of the
two thousand dollars last year. Ilike the most trustworthy guy is the known

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liar and criminal. I think it'sRed Mandy because anything you tell him,
he's gonna be cool man, andhe's gonna go back home and redcomic books
and chill with Andrea Riseborough. Ithink the one you could probably trust the
most is Ben Sanderson from even LasVegas, because he'll forget it immediately because
he's he's wasted. Yeah, soyou can just send him whatever you need,

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and he's too worried about other things. Yeah, I mean like cast
de Troy doesn't care about you.No, No, he's the last person
probably a castor secret, secret secret. I don't care he wasted my time
he shoots you. I'm going withthe Red from Mandy because he's just he

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doesn't he didn't care. Like,who's he gonna tell? Yeah, I
guess, I guess it depends onthe scenario, depends on the secret because
like it would from the wickham Manstand up, honorable guy, it's the
secret would help brack down his potentialmissing daughter, then he'd tell it.
He'd use it to his own advantage. I'm sure. But but we know
that if he's attacked by bees thathe'll probably give up the secret. Yeah,

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exactly, he'll tell you every whatabout Stanley Goodspeed? Um? I
mean I don't know. I feellike he'd get drunk and tell his buddies.
Yeah, well, he'd be likepressured by by name Mason, John

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Mason. He'd le be pressured intolike he'd feel inadequate next to seany.
He wouldn't be happy, Like doyou think he would like it? He
would feel stressed out. He seemslike a stress stressy guy. Is the
Does the end of that movie implythat he's going to tell everybody who killed
JFK? Or he's just going tokeep it to himself. True, that's

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a significant He knew it and hetold it in like two seconds, so
that's probably not a good sign forhis secret. I guess it depends on
who it is and how it couldbenefit him. Yeah yeah, oh no,
okay. The person who's going toanything is him and what he's Wonderland
because he doesn't speak in the holdown film. Oh yeah, he's no,

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he's not saying anything. That's itthe Giana he's my answer. You
could tell his bringing out the deadcharacter, because that dude's just tired.
Anything you say, yeah, something, we won't believe anything he says kind
of thing, it'll just sound likeand he's like, yeah, I think
he goes and drives around the thingRheims. But for Conair, who is

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the second person that that's the Imean, that's the question. It's not
is it. It's not the father, right, we have to assume it's
not his father. I think,yeah, well is it just his wife?
I mean, he says there's twomen I trust. I'm gonna stick
with it. He's saying men asin men, right, you're right.

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But we don't know what baby youdid. My guess is the only other
person who trust? Probably isn't someonehe met in prison. We do know
that his dad taught him things andwas around. In the previous chapter he
talks the Cyrus Belt his dad teachinghim to be a good guy. So

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it could be his dad. Hecould have a brother we don't know about.
He could have a he got married. Whoever his best man was,
he could have could have a bestfriend. I don't sound like we need
a cod Air prequel that explores theearlier life of Cameron Poe and find out
who that second man is. It'sgot to be coated. Yeah, it
could be his CEO from from hishis Ranger days with the Harley Army,

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Tommy Lee Jones, Yeah, TonyTom Yeah, before because Bookey would bend
too young at this time. Yeah, he couldn't be a yeah, I
mean if it's a prequel being madenow, then bookem would would be perfect.
Yes, Like have you seen himin the Inspection yet? I have

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not. I know he's supposed tobe quite good in it. Yeah,
he's I love his cadence. HeI can't swear on the show, but
he says a shoot bird but anotherword he's like, oh shoot like the
way he said. I just lovehis cadence but love him. Oh yeah
his line reading in that no ahally baby. Yeah. So yeah,
I don't care who it is.It's just Bokian Woodbine with me, all

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right, there is. I meanhe was with him a rock you know
in the Cracked article I wrote aboutBokian Woodbine's background acting so like they're buds.
He does it all. Steve mcquinning, Yeah, yeah he does.
He's great. Yeah. There isalso just the three lines in this scene.
Yes, whoa for the sounds offin silence? Yes, sorry bosses

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any too minute? Trust one wasmaybe that's not here? Yes we have
I'm gonna I would I'm gonna do. I'm gonna save the f and day?
That is correct. There's three lines, please, which which you prefer?
Which is the best? Um?I would say last is gonna save
the f and day? Because it'sa little it's a little cliche if we're

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talking just generally. Yeah, absolutely, I lost I lost respect for him
because of that line. Really yeah, I need you to explain that a
little bit more like you just imaginethe three of us hanging out and we
have another a person with us,and like, I'm gonna go and save
day. Get over yourself. Notalks like that. He's nothing if not

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confident. Yea, It's like,yeah, I'm gonna go save the day.
Like cool. I don't know hashe exhibited that sort of bravado Like
he's very sassy, but that's likea bravado line. Yeah, that's that's
taking it. You don't need tobe sassy in this scenario. Joking.
He's trying to compensate for the emotionhe's just shown because he's found out that

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Larkin's seen his wife and his daughter. I did like the you still casey
that like, wait, you youstranger have met my daughter before? I
have like eight year old daughter tomet you first, that you was so
much loaded that he's trying to compensatefor that. I shouldn't. I also
like I want to save the day. Yeah. Also like how he just

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assumes that his daughter wouldn't understand thathe was able. You know, however,
he wouldn't come back because he wason a plane full of convicts that
had broken out. Like, Ithink a person would understand at some point
that you didn't make it out becausethat was a pretty terrible situation and it
would be actually rare for you tomake it out. And he was just

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I can't know that he died byaccident. He needs to have. He
was saving someone, he was doingsomething. He was saving freaking day.
He didn't get pinballed, he didn'tget warlocked. I'm not getting trapped in
their landing gear. Hell, hedidn't getting Benson Hedges or papoviched I can't

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remember that name is actually are andHedges. That's like a cigarette, that's
something like a power tool. CarlsYeah, yea, and Papavich there we
go. Yeah that good. Butyeah, no, I like your picks

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because that's my third two. Sowe're on board with that one. I'm
having a hard time with one andtwo though, because it feels like the
two men I trust one of hismeaninggether's not you. Feels like that should
be number one. But the reasonit's going to be number two for me,
and the reason that who Ray forthe Sounds of Fan Silence is going

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to be number one is because ofthe TV edit of that one. Because
whoever edited that version, whether itwas on USA or TNT, normally it
was USA, friggin has like fourg's in it, like he lays into

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it so hard. So whether it'sactually a cage edit or whether it's someone
who got on the mic and goes, friggin silence, it's it's amazing.
And so I have to go withasma number one that that's gonna be because
of how heavy it's. The actualswear would in the scene. Yeah,
well who right for this sounds silentalready already goes that's the real the cage.

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There's two things about that quote thatI just I love. Who Ray
is just amazing, right, andit's just a wonderful response to having a
gun being put into your face andeven better, a silencer being put onto
it. Because the one thing thatyou had to say you shouldn't shoot me,
is that all these other guys aregoing to hear it and probably come
and try to figure out what's goingon. And then a silencer gets put

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on it, and now you're factsup against the wall and that is how
you respond and when most of uswould probably be weeping or pissing our pants.
So the fact that he's able tostand there and give him a hooray
and move through that is just wonderful. So that's my that's my winner.

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I mean, it's it's a perfectit's a cheeky moment, it's funny,
and they actually had to bring ina silencer for it. It's just like
that's like that's later when Cage isbrandishing the gun with a silence thrown it,
it just looks so kind of feebleand just like such such a thin
gun back to his arm, Ifelt like he could pumped a bullet like

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better than he could shoot one ofthat boy. He could create a wind
gust with his biceps that could justguy could just crush everybody. He's holding
it almost a perfect right tangle.Just to already emphasize that the biceps straining
was holding that thing. Oh yeah, like you know he's doing the two
arms flex in both that's a that'sa classic move. He earned it though

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he worked hard on this. Ilove it, but no, it's for
me, it's Lisa. It's justa it's a good gag. Like so
they obviously every line's written well exceptfor ones that are improvised, do you
know what I mean? But likethey're like, okay, we have a
silencer bit in this movie. Like, there's a silencer bit, and I
love that. I also love thatthe nineties had a lot of silencers.
Say that, have you seen silencerslately? I was just about to say

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this was a moment for silencers becauseGolden Eye obviously was and like the game
and you had the silencer option onit, and you know, I was
literally just about to say it.So we are. We are in the
same train of thought here, Mark, what's happening to me? I don't
know. I love it. Thisis great, but yeah, I mean
yeah, silencers have a big LikeI feel like a racer had a bunch

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of silencers in it. This isbefore we've realized outside of films that sonn
us is are effective. You canstill also switch blades I did. There's
a switchblade lead site that chronicles allthe switchblades used in movies. And in
the eighties there were so many switchblades in cinema that like, I just

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associated switch like switchblades with evil doing. So whenever I went to the flea
market in Florida, I just neverbought one because I was like, that's
what I'll buy a butterfly knife andthrowing knives, but I'm not getting a
Switchblade's that you just start to thethrone. Yeah, throwing knives, butterfly
knives, but switchblades no, Likeyou know, like, I'll stick with
the gravity ones, not like theones that because I just as better off
dead had a good gag also drunkCusac, but that kid was a jerk,

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So I don't know. Eighties werebig on switchblades. In the nineties
were big on silencers. I feellike this Specialists had a lot of silencers
too. It's just it's cool.Yeah, you're there and you gotta like
spin it on, like you know, it's you have the whole process to
it, and now it's quiet,and now you can sneak up on anybody

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and get them. It's it's it'sa thing. Yeah, an injun I
didn't professional have silencers, and whenhe's going after the people, it sounds
like the kind of thing that willbe in in Leon. Yeah. But
the line who wrote the son ofSilence but in the script, not in

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my company of the script I've gotso that whether that was written on the
day or it doesn't, I don'tthink it's a cage app Badland. It's
too much. That's too much freegrown. It's it's too like prepared beforehand.
But it's it's a late addition tothe script. So that's why I
would put the trust one on thesecond, because that's a mouthful. It's
like, you don't trust me.I only trust two people. One of

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them's me and one of them's not. You Like, there's a lot of
room for error in there. Yeah, but that's why are you line that
it's a cool back later and there'snow three men I trust yea, which
I know we talked out before,but I still really want that to be
a lock in and pun you'd beshowing where at the end of every episode

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there's now four men I trust.I just I want that too, but
I want that to be a thingI wish you like. There's two people
I trust. One of them's Metand one of them's Hank. We've never
meet Hank. Hand. I don'ttrust myself anymore. That's just I was
just gonna ask, don't trust you? No, I know me, I

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know what I've done. Definitely not. It's like two people I trust,
Hank and Phil. What about yourself? No, well, I don't even
know if I trust in me trustingHank and Film. Now I'm gonna call
those guys. It's been a while. There's no men I trust, none

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of them. Is me one ofthem? View? Wait? What?
Yeah? This is so much roomfor error. I like my I like
my lines simple. Admittedly, thoughit's better than him saying that he trusts
no one like it is a bettersounding line than him just saying I don't
trust anyone like that. That doesn'twork. That would just st fall so
flat. Yeah yeah, or thesepal to put the bunny back in the

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books, because I guess repeated threetons in a minute. But this is
these are all like competing for secondplace. I think that's whoray and one
scenes ah is that line? Doyou think that has anything to do with
what Branch is poe in. Sothey're not are they the hoorrah guys?

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That's the mar right, So Iwondered if that was if there was any
translation there, But I guess Idon't know if there's Is there a continuity
error there or not? This ishooray right right, I'm saying they're different.
I'm saying, but he if hewas a guy who frequently said who
rah when he was in the Rangers, then maybe saying hooray for the sent

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maybe he just thinks that's how thosewords come out. Who ray? I
mean who ras like an uma oprahthe bacle here. Well, it's just
it's just hooray. Which here's anotherthing English English is just insane. That
h he's actually saying it phonetically correct. It should be hooray, not who
who? Who'shay? Well, healso says my hummed bud in this scene,

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which is a wonderful pronunciation of thatword. And just I love a
like instead of her, it's uh, it's you h like, that's you
know, tell my wife, Ilove a like. It's it's not even
an actual word. It makes mewish that he worked on either a Tennessee
Williams or Flannery O'Connor like short storythat was turned into a movie, because

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I just want to hear him inlike a Southern Gothic like Midnight in the
Garden, a Good and Evil.I know that's not those like Wellyn,
but yeah, just I want tohear him, and I want to hear
him say like Flannery O'Connor's dialogue,even though it's probably be a story written
into a screenplay, not by her. I just like his southern It's not
it's not really Alabama. It's morelike southern South Carolina. But he's he's

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like a cross between like four orfive different actual Southern accents in the South
from It's like when people are likewhere you going, I'm going to Africa,
Well, you know, there's likea bunch of countries there, Like
I'm going to the South. Ihave a Southern accent, Like what,
yeah, Well, it's like there'sthe South, there's the South, there's

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the Deep South, and then there'sactually South America, and then they're well
sure, but there's like those arejust they are different regions, and Mark,
I'm sure I can tell you probablya little bit better seeing that he's
he's in like I don't really considerFlorida either of those. No, that's
it's you have to go north toget south, the most southern, right,

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Well, Georgia. I live inGeorgia now, and like there's there's
more accents there that is that isthe South, that is the South.
But you know what, the likeFlorida is more country than people realize.
But you got to go to likemid central Florida, and no one ever
goes to central Florida, but youget to northern Florida and you get the
accents. But you definitely have togo north to get like the stereotypical South.

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I'm of the opinion you should nevergo to Florida ever for anything.
But that's just me. Gator wrestling. Listen, Python wrangling. You can
hang out with the spring Breaker crew. Saint pe Ernest, I will say,
Saint Petersburg is great. It's reallyblowing up right now. Well,
if you'll ever have if we evercome down, take you on Central Street

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and we'll hang out. It's agood spot. It's a good time,
sounds good hot listeners. This iswhat a Southern English accent sounds like.
Because I will such from the South, but a different country and it's like
this is like central south. Ifyou go east or west, it becomes
more country to get more like thekind of the hot fuzz at all.

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It's from like the southwest or southeast. Actually it's gonna like posh in the
middle me and then more untreatables outside. If there's any word I think of
it, I think of Jake Cluid. It's posh, that is for sure.
I think it's it was like rubbish. Where do the cots into a

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dreadful that you you picked up mesaying before in a podcast people say dreadful.
Vernish companies are of the London,so are a bit north? Okay,
I do it? I like me. It's terms. Just watch Mary
Poppins and you'll get better like abunch of geezers running around chimney sweeping.

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Yeah, speaking of geezers, let'stalk about Cynthena's Henchman. I do love
the way he talks to Larkin,though Jay real quickly he's like hello,
login like this very it's another highGarland and there's another like dead pan hello
to somebody, Hello Larkin, andthen he says another place he says something
else. Um, I don't know. That's just the way he talks to

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Larkin in the beginning. He doesn'teven laugh when he tells a joke.
Jessac has to explain that he's tellinga joke. That's a very Cusackian move.
I'm glad you told me. Yeahyeah, I think in just his
real life he's explained a lot ofpeople that that was a joke. Yeah
yeah, I'd like, he's obviouslynervous in situation when he and Poe had
the guns from each other poses rotsteady, you could use it to hang

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a shelf or his larkins he iswalking over the place. Yeah, so
that that too. That sounds good, that works. And then he's trying
to like relax the situation. Hehas kind of please police and polaces.
He's Asian, He's like he hasAsian training of like, okay, this
is what happens if you get stuckin a situation with a criminal, you
do that's kind of thing to do, and it doesn't work. He's against

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Cameron Poe's like, but in thescript, poesn't say thanks for telling me,
and it was a joke. Hewas thanks pre telling it to me,
Like, thanks for telling me ajoke. I think is like he
didn't understand that it was a joke. Brol Than Now I like that.
I was like, I have anew joke to tell Mane back on the
plane. Hey, listen, youcant stuff there and struggled he had to

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pay that. I guess everyone justlooks at him. It was a joke.
Now, well, I'm gonna dosomething very special for you, justin
Okay, every week we've been handingout a sweat Bucket award for the sweatiest
character. I'm gonna let you handout the sweat Bucket award today. Who
gets the award for sweatiest person?There's an obvious answer, but I feel

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like I kind of want to giveit to the very first guy that trains
his gun on Cameron Poe whoa Okay, so the guy who stood in front
of him with the with the silence. Yeah, the guy with the silencer
who I recognize from something else.Okay, Well, this guy you should
recons everything because this is Thomas Rosalda'sjunior. He's an actor. Here's a

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stunt man. He has been inevery damn film here, just some of
the films he's been. He diesin the Last World, Yes, he
does so Yes, so he's Carterin the Last Dresser. Yes, he's
also in Commando Rawdeal, The RunningMan, RoboCop two, Predator to Kindergarten,
Cop Alligated to the Mutation, UniversalSoldier, Menester Society, Last Action

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Hero, Naked Gun thirty three andthe Third Beverly Hills Cop three, Speed
Crammer's two, Last Man Standing,eight Heads in Double bag La Confidential Face
Off, The US Marshal's Deep InBack to Traffic, Oceans Eleven Slackers,
Many Black two, Collateral, Dawnon the Planet, The Apes and Greenland
no Irony. Is he an actorof those? Here's a stunt man who's

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been in Battle to the Planet,The Apes and the Towering Inferno, Airport
seventy seven and Apple seventy nine Concordtwenty he was like twenty's three in those
Ore thinks Scarface Annibal Run two,Red Dawn, Break Into Electric Boogaloo.
Please kind of me too, TheFirst Assignment, Three Amigos, Midnight Run
Weekend at Bernie's, Demolition Man,Escape from La Mars, Attack City,
Evangels, Out of Slightly, TheWoman's Four, The Mask of Zoro Plane

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at the eighteen thousand and one he'sin three separate talents of the Apes,
errors Hulk, First three Pirates ofthe Caribbean films, No Country for Old
Men, Iron Man, and eighteen. And he gets set on fire in
the cool when there's a video onYouTube of him being set on fire in
the cool and do all the behindand seeing sort of him being coated with
the flammable liquid and being set onfire, and he's just a badass being

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set on fire for a day job. This guy is a legend amongst the
stunt and bit part acting henchman community. Now, listener, I just want
to make sure that you understand thiswas not planned at all. I brought
up this suggestion of this man justto try to be different, and Jay
ran with it. I don't wantto make sure that you understand this.

(29:56):
This was not scripted. I didnot This was not discussed before other Facebook
messenger nothing. Justin is not JohnStockton and Jay is not Karl Malone.
But it's sure went that way.Yeah. I like to look into the
guys who just like crop up fora small role here and there, Like
we found out the co pilot onthe on the plane is a hockey player.
I had no idea about he's themost banned hockey player in all of

(30:18):
hockey. But the other two guyswho get taken out here Eddie Perez and
also a stunt man who was inGood Burger. He had stunts in Good
Burger. You know all those stuntsfrom Good Burger. Enemy with the State
Minority reports, Serenity Feast Crank atthe occas the Ocean Stair Team shoot him
up. Henson, he's John.He's the stunt doubled in Fast and Furious
Star Treks thousand and nine or Justin'sFavorites and also Fast five and Justin Favorites

(30:42):
end of watch in starting in Stotness, Deadpool, Face of the Furious were
kind of Forever. And then theother guy, Scott McCoy is in this
He's in very few films. Butthe pilot. The pilot is Marco kiris
I rest I don't he say hislast name. He has two roles in
this film. One of them isthe pilot. The other one is Nicholas

(31:06):
Cage is stunt double but not sorry. Nicholas Cage's uh standing and which he
has done. He has made acareer out of being Niccolas Cages Standing because
he's his standing in Chaptain, Paradise, Yes of Death, leaving Las Vegas,
the Rock, trying to face offCity of Angels, Snake Eyes eight
millimeter bringing out the Dead Gone insixty seconds, a family man, Captain

(31:27):
Credi's Man, Blin wind Talker's Adaption, Magtic Men, National Treasure, Lord
of War, and the Weatherman.He was also Ony Shaloum standing in against
the Ropes. He's a utility malein Boondocks Saints he was, he was,
He's in photos in Snake Eyes.Justin has a question. I believe

(31:48):
you have your hand raised. Whatis adaption? Do you mean the genius?
Adaptation like one of the first moviesof the past twenty five years to
say adaptation, I was, Jerry, you I left out an act.
I'm sorry. Adaptation erasure over here. I gotta say it's a great film.
I love it. It's just wroteoff a list of films. We
can just pick up the one Imade a mistake on. He's also passed

(32:09):
Brolston's stand in in Mars tax Youknow stand in work is I did?
I was a stand in for alittle while. It is life sucking work.
So I applaud this guy. It'sgood to get in on with somebody,
though, Like Kurt Russell had aguy, Stallone had a guys,
The Snipes had a guy, ChrisSpratt had a guy. When I was
on Guardians two, he had hisown stand in who like went to passengers

(32:30):
in different movies. But this guyalso has his own podcast. Oh nice,
I haven't I already found out listento an episode after I found out
even get him on. I mean, he hasn't done an episode every yet.
He has like people from the industryon to talk about maccare nice.
Like, hey, just these peoplehaven't had an episode over a year doesn't

(32:51):
mean they can't bring value to apodcast. That's very true. That's very
true. We should try that standin work is not fun, though,
so that's that's cool. He madea lot like when you're with a guy,
you can get little rolls, youcan pick up that a like,
get a little bump, maybe geta line. So I guess that's good.
When you're the person's guy, youget treated differently. But when you're
just Joe blow stand In, it'sa rot. It's it's fun to just

(33:13):
watch everybody, But that's a tough. His podcast is called babele Bs and
Beyond and Beyond babel Bs and Beyond. I wouldn't mind standing on Babylon watching
that movie get made? Who buthe had Pete Antico? Who did?
Cyrus said, exploding on as aguest talking about common nice. Yeah,

(33:36):
babbel Bs and beyond that babbils andI find cages I could. I would
call it a best here. Butunder shirt, I guess that he's wearing
his sleeper shirt to be disconcertingly thick. I don't know what it is.
It just seems thicker than it shouldbe. You know, that's a great
point. It's been a long timesince I've worn this article of clothing.
I like had him as a child, maybe like undershirt and remember than being

(33:59):
really thin and flimsy. Cusack doessome good sweat work here. He looks
very young and vigorous. In oneforty four, he looks like young Cusac.
So, um, yeah, yousaid too much? Razotas Junior?
Was your that sweat bucket? WouldI would give it to Cusack? Yeah?
He does. He's looking good here. Look at him good to one
forty four In this clip when heholds when he's holding his gun at Poe.

(34:22):
This is the best he is.This our favorite Cusac moment, Jay,
because we got kind of sick ofhim and so is he just keeps
on. We had scene the sceneif you're just arguing with Cool. We
got a little sick of him Cool. There was yelling at each other for
a long time. So he's interactingwith someone new. Yeah, I mean
this is this is the first time. Yeah, the first time they've spoken

(34:44):
together. There's been like interactions ofdropping a body for one to find and
over hearing one on the right andon the radio, but this is their
first like face to face so awhile before again another one. And he's
not being insulted for his sandals.He's not being insulted for being of He's
just they're just chatting and Cages beingsassy with him. Yeah. Fun,

(35:09):
wouldn't you like Larkin? Though he'spretty short with Larkin. He's in a
tense situation. Some slack cut someslack. Don't be men, cusack right
by the way, cut me somefriggin slack is the is the it's the
same friggin in the rock, uhthat they It's when he's doing one of

(35:31):
the things with the bombs, buthe says, you know, cut me
some friggin slack, and it's thesame friggan as he uses in this scene,
just for the record, the samekind of that vibe is I'm a
little tired, I mean little bad. I think I deserved an appreciation from
going to sixty second, which isone of my favorite ni yes I have
used in Reggan in every day life. I want a TV swear words super

(35:53):
cut of all, like the adjustedswear words. Like there's a movie I
watch one time it's like you punkbunch of suckers, and I mean the
pinnacle is I've had it with thesemonkey fighting snakes on this Monday Friday plane.
Which no, yeah, that's yeahMonday. It's Monday to Friday plane,

(36:14):
isn't it. Yeah, yes,which makes more sea makes equally no
sense. Wait, I've having allthese monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to
Friday plane. Yeah yeah, yewant me that job, guys, let
me write, Let me come upwith these fixes for swear words. We
cannot believe someone Jackson would say motherfreaking That just doesn't make any kind of

(36:37):
sense. He wouldn't possibly say that, Hello, it might take might take
the watchers out of the viewing experienceto hear him say, freaking so we're
gonna go Monday to Friday instead.Monkey fighting man. That's that's like the
guy who did the subtitles for StrangerThings and You and I think he wrote

(36:57):
something about like the things are undulating, like noises, like the guys really
interesting things. To the subtitle monkeyfighting Snake sounds like something Mark would enjoy.
Monkey fighting snake. That actually,I mean, is that a monkey
that is fighting snakes or is ita snake? Are is it snakes that
are meant to fight? Like Iknow, it's kind of the boat.

(37:21):
I think it's probably a plan ofthe apes versus Escape from New York movie,
even though they're apes not monkeys.But still, yeah, they'd just
do a workaround for that. Soyeah, monkey fighting snake bliskin, Yeah,
they are. They implying that thepeople on the plane are essentially monkeys
because of evolution, so these snakesare fighting them and as supposed No,

(37:45):
I don't know, monkey fighting snake, I promise you we've already put more
thought into whoever put the thought intothe edit in the first place. But
also it's for a film that kindof it's just to be taking the bit
out of online so that they couldwould have written this line, so the
formations like this would occur seventeen yearslater. That's yeah, yeah, Wow,

(38:15):
that was a thing. Yeah,that was emes, you know what
I mean, Like that was earlyinternet power. So it went switchblades,
silencers, snakes on a plane.That was the kind of the the trajectory
there of things. Based on ourearlier conversation, what did man? What
did the two thousands have a lotof monkey fighting snakes? I think it's

(38:39):
yeah, it's like the eighties waslike twick sand. There's a lot of
that. You didn't like Iron Manhad a monkey fighting a snake. Indian
Jones and the Kiddom of the CrystalSkull No Country for Old Man had that
There will be Blood had a famousscene of a monkey fighting a snake.
I think the seventies was like killa bees wreat that never already materialized.

(39:01):
Oddly, there's no monkey fighting snakesin Congo. What about anaconda? He
eats it eats a um, it'slike a bull like or a tape it
or something it takes out or JohnVoye that's yeah, sorry John Voe is
not confused his dad from National Treasure. I just wish I could have.

(39:29):
I wish I could just teleport onset to watch John Voyd do his thing
on anaconda. Hey John, whataccent are you doing? Quick? Quick
question? Isn't he Peruvian in thatmovie? I don't know. I'm sure
if you ask him, he wouldn'tknow. I thought I thought it's like
Puerto Ricano. I mean, itjust felt right, Yes it did,

(39:53):
John, Boy, that's what makesa movie so good. Aside from Walt
Conti's Beautiful Snake, we've also workedon Deep Lucy, not conn Air,
though we'll go back to Connair.So you're saying the Sweatbug, you're saying
the Sweatbucket Awards, you go touh CON number one. Yes, that's
my vote. I've just never seena shirt soaked so much like Hu's Eye

(40:14):
has. You don't seem any wetshirts just by sweat and cinema mhm.
Is it's always a clean shirt.Yeah, like Paraguay. Oh yeah,
the Paraguay. Yeah. But no, it's clearly warm wherever they are.

(40:36):
There is no doubt about that,and you feel it. I like that
they're on I mean they're they're onthe salt salt flats Like, that's a
there's not much shade there from otherof what they put up, so it's
and like, yeah, it's definitelywe gotta be hot in that tent,
and I like other strategic holes inthe roof. Did you see it to
let light bomb in m h,Yeah, it's like the end of Ferdustal
Dolans were in there. That's nothow this up looks. But yeah,

(41:01):
oh that'd be an amazing movie.You know that movie Jerry where it's just
Matt Damon and Casey Affleck walking fora long time and then just come into
one of these and then it becomeslike a from Dustill Down movie. I'd
watch that. A gust Van vampiremovie. I should like the Race one,
but so off the top of Hell'sheads, what are your favorite kicking

(41:22):
moments? Nick Cage kicking moments ofcinema? Terry Wogan interview when he comes
out, Yes, the basis forhis Nicky Cage character and unbearable weight a
massive talent. Yeah, I gottago with I gotta go with Mandy because
when he's kidnapped by the scene ofBites, he kicks one of them in
the shin and then it falls down, and then he takes that out.

(41:45):
And when he battles the big bruiserone who's who flips him on the table,
he kicks him in the head.Like Nick, Cage is pretty prolific
with kicks in his career, soI like that. He also gets some
good kicks on Raymond Collatry and Gonesixty seconds. Who just his whole thing
is he makes wooden. He justhe wood works. That's his whole villain
angle. Yeah, he loves woodThe Ninth Doctor just makes his cars wood.

(42:10):
That's it. He guess. Hekicks Leately Sobieski in the face with
him, man, he does somethingthat happens. He throws good kicks while
the heart he does kick dancing,which I like. Face off in face
off, John Travolta kicks him therare Travolta kick out day. Wait,
is that Travolta as Cage. No, this is first Trivalta when he kicks

(42:32):
him into the engine, blast himinto the thing. That's a great question,
though, Jay, would it stillcount as a Cage kick if it
had been Travolta as Cage. Ithink it would have been Travolta channel engage
like this is what he does infilms. He kicks people. If so,
if Nick Cage Sunny burst out intosong and star like clicking, then

(42:52):
that would have counted at all.It's like being a Trivolta. He just
goes full grease in the middle ofFace Off Danny Zuko. I remember Michael
that he was an angel, Likehe dances in that one. It's like,
get off, We'll get over it. Why keep dancing? But what
watching Travala to throw a kick though? Dude? Spending me for a loop?

(43:14):
I was like, I don't knowabout that. He's a good walker.
He's good. He's one of thebest cinematic walkers, like Saturday Night
Fever, Sure, Broken Arrow,Boult fiction. He does some really good
walking. I would put him upthere with a Costner. I mean,
isn't like Elijah Wood, you're numberone walker. I know you you've done
the research on that. They don'twalk as much as you think. They

(43:36):
really don't. Selean and Jesse walkmore than they do, that's right,
Yeah, yeah, they walk alot further. So I mean, you
know, like he's yeah, Imean, I think Travlta might be it
I mean Richard Rowntree's great a shaft. Denzel's got a great walk the end
of the Third Man. Who's thatlady? That's a great walking scene.

(43:59):
No, yeah, Third Man andnothing. I can't. I can't.
I don't think I can contribute asmuch to the walking. Uh annals of
cinematic history and a Fincher draft comingup poos some good walking in Fincher movies.
That's a great quick There's a lotof running and like kind of jogging,
not a lot of walking. It'sa lot more of like like scuffling
and hurt quick quickly jogging. There'sEisenberg does a lot of like hurried you

(44:25):
know, walking in Social Network ashe's trying to get across campus. When
you think Social Network, don't youthink about Garfield Andrew Garfield coming opening the
door, going to Mark, pickingup the laptop and slam that whole scene
that walking, elite walking, eliteGarfield. That's a plus walking right there.

(44:46):
Yep. When I think about Eisenbergand Social Network, I just think
about him sitting a lot of sitting, and I think about Army the hammers
rowing. M hm. That's avery sit heavy movie. I wonder if
that breaks records. It sounds ofangry men you're the man for the job
normally stuff like that. I thinkthat's a sort although Sorkin normally does the

(45:08):
walking talk, so he did thesit and talk in Social Network sit and
talk. I think we're on justsomething. I mean, there's I mean,
think about it, right, that'slike that doesn't Jake Joonahal does a
lot of disreporting and Zodiac Flight Clubnot much walking because really they play golf.

(45:30):
They kind of just stand around andfight. Did you walk up and
down the street and use golf clubsto break you know, uh, headlights
and stuff. That's a good one. I feel like Benji Button does some
good walking. He spends a lotof time on the boat too. It's
a boat heavy movie right there,you know. So doing the research for

(45:54):
the rankings, that was actually thefirst time I'd ever seen it, and
so yeah, that was the oneI had missed and so I finally got
a chance to see it, andyeah, a lot more boat time than
I anticipated. You know, it'scrazy panic room. They're just in a
panic room. There's a lot ofboat time. And Benjamin Button Social Network
they're sitting gone girl Afflecks just sittingaround the whole time Zodiac. They're staring

(46:17):
at screens. He doesn't do alot of walking. Fincher, he's not
a walker. I mean, MANK. There's some good walking scenes, sure,
MANK. There's a lot of walkingand talking in MANK. But there's
a lot of sitting too. Ifeel like maybe we're missing it. I
think seven maybe like they're going fromcrime scene to crime scene to crime scene.
Yeah, they're driving, but there'salso I mean, and then you

(46:42):
got to walk out, you knowwith John Doe and David Mills as they
walk out and Spacey does that kindof fun little like shackled scuffle that that's
kind of fun. Yeah, that'strue. That was a good but see
that's shuffling. Yeah, Fincher's nota walker. It's really intra I was

(47:06):
gonna say Kubrick, but I thinkTom Cruise does his best walking and to
Die for No in Um the KubrickChristmas movie whit Shut. That's some of
the best walking I've ever seen.It's like confused walking, paranoid walking,
angry as his wife walking, curiouswalking. You know, there's a lot

(47:28):
of he there's a lot of variationswalking in that one His best sitting is
in Collateral Tom Cruise. Well,I mean I really don't know much.
Go where the hell is Jay?We we should add him again here.
Yeah, there's no way he's stillrecording this, right you are though,

(47:49):
Yeah, Jail, I'll have funediting. I was like, how much
longer can Mark and I talked aboutwalking? Well, we were onto something
was though with Fincher. I'm willingto follow anything through. So it's it's
all good. That is that istrue if it's there and there he is,

(48:10):
I thought, going on, ohman, you missed, uh quite
the tangent. Yeah, a lotof yeah, a lot of walking talk.
Well, we talked about this,there's really not much walking in Fincher
movies, and how social network isthe rare Sorkin sit and talk for all
things that were discussed. So Travltadoes throw a kick on Cage as Travolta,

(48:34):
not Cage, So then that's moreof a Travolta kick, which is
rare. I don't think you throwmany kicks. That's about it. Yeah,
So I associe it Travalta more withwalking myself, you know what?
So I mean nothing to the listeners. Poor Jay. His computer restarted and

(48:54):
we were just waiting for Jay togo and we just went on this tangent
about how David Fincher movies really featureany walking a lot of talking. Her
knows. Maybe I'll include the wholetangent in the bonus. Let's see if
it fits that joke right there,would you know, makes it worth it?
So that's totally up to huge Jay. Was that old school when when

(49:15):
Will Ferrell's like, I'm blacked outthere, like that was the whole conversation
we had. Mark was the onedoing the ribbon dancing. Yeah, yeah,
you know, he did that becauseLuke Wilson was just having a bad
day. And so when you watchLuke Wilson in that scene, he just
looks really, really really depressed.And I learned that in the commentary that

(49:37):
he just was supposed to do it, but he just wasn't feeling it.
So Will Ferrell had to jump inon no moment's notice and do the dance.
Justin's recorded this whole episode on theon the rings, smoking his right
time, still still holding. That'shard to do, y'all. Just hang

(50:01):
out there in those rings. VinceVaun's a big dude, he is.
I don't think he did it.I think you can see it les.
But now he went from Daniel dayLewis and trained for stand in. It's
fun old school stand in. I'mnot gonna look it up because my computerbile
crash again and I've got nothing open, just Skype, so so I don't

(50:22):
can't do anything else. When we'replaying Gallagher, while we're talking about Connie
or Jay, you can see thereflection. My guess. So the three
guys when when post stands up,you got three guys, you've got so
much as has one gun on him, one guy has two guns, the
guy has no guns. This doesn'tfeel like a correct balance of guns.

(50:45):
Hey guys, and I'm taking thesetwo. You have that one and you
get nothing. You just get towear a hat. It's just I guess
maybe maybe they're treating it like theyou know, I'm a couple behind on
the last of us. But theway that Joel treats Ellie at first,
where he says you can't have agun, you're not allowed to have one,

(51:06):
Clearly that's what's happening here in thissituation, and this this one gentleman
is not allowed to have a gun. He's lost his gun privileges. It
means that when they get distracted,Cage takes out almost studio and then uses
that gun to shoot the guy withthe two guns in the knee and with
no guns, has no guns,and so he's unable to shoot back.

(51:28):
But the guy with two guns.It's not a good plan. It does
not work, and they failed.He's the guy with the two guns.
He just kind of stands there andwaits to be shot in the knee.
He doesn't he doesn't want to fireon on on his money on Junior for
me. But he has two guns. He doesn't use either of them.

(51:50):
I wonder if you get a bumpif you have to hold a gun on
screen. I want two bumps,bump, like you get paid extra to
have a gun. He is apaid extra. But no, so you
can get you can get bumped upto a featured extra. Yeah, yeah,
being stick. I got a gunonce and I got paid a double
pay. Tell us what what happened? What gun? Where are you?

(52:12):
Well? No, I was onthe following pilot and I had to play
a cop. They threw me intobe a cop, so I got paid
for my work and then I gotpaid to be an extra because I was
armed. They gave you an extralittle bump on it. And then I
did Hunger Games and I did gaveme a gun. They threw me on
that and I got double pay onthat. So I wonder if there's a
gun bump maybe because you're you're handlingprops. Yeah, I mean if you

(52:37):
get wet, you get an extratwenty five bucks. I'm not going to
touch that one. Yeah, likeif you get into the pool, you
get paid. Yeah. I learnedthat I was a swimming coach on Team
Wolf and the people who jumped intothe water got paid extra seed over to
the water straight away. Oh thatyou know. That day they were like,

(52:59):
what's the swim coach a line?But I didn't really know what that
meant. I should have spoken up, because you get an extra fifteen hundred
that day, and then you probablyget a say card. Then you get
an extra fifteen hundred later when theshow comes out. So I should have
pushed for a line. Yeah,that's sizeably better than just jumping in the
pool for twenty five dollars exactly.Yeah, but I got that was good.
That wasn't bad. I'll swim coachon the second season. I think

(53:22):
I don't remember that was thirteen yearsago. It's a lifetime ago when I
was an extra. Do we talkabout Cage. Cage's fight moves a little
bit in this scene because when whenlocking the tracks, he like takes a
four he like holds Tommy's arm outand does like a four arm bash to
the back of it, and thenhe gets a full punch in the face

(53:45):
and he gets a punch of faceand heat of the groin. He doesn't
elbow to the guy with a hatand then you have the roundhouse kick in
three shots he gets it. Reallyglorify that kick, at least should I
guess My question is would any ofthis have worked if Larkin had not showed

(54:05):
up? Yeah, because he missedthe opportunity of attacking when the girls putting
the silent throw on. That's tome he felt like her probably motunity he
has he has the gun up andaway. That's one gun removed, so
you take out the guy with thetwo guns. Well yeah, oh yeah,
you could have just jumped on himfor that. Yeah, that's like
snowpers when those guys are dipping theswords and the fish and You're like,

(54:27):
I just would have jumped kicked thatguy as soon as he was dunking his
axe into that fish. Take youreye off the prize is there? When
when Kage is kind of manipulating thegun in Risult's his hands to shoot the
other guy, he has a realangry face on him, You're like,
concentrated. It's a great place tohave pause that. I mean, listen,
that's a lot of work. He'strying to live. He's trying to

(54:49):
survive. He's very slippery at themoment. I can't leave a fall on
man behind. But that's a goodclose quartered fighting though, because he uses
his elbows in there like he that'skind of what you do. And then
he creates enough space for a roundhousekick like that. It's practical fighting.
It's well choreographed. I think showcasessome good elbows, some cage kicks.

(55:10):
But is it a roundhousecake or isa spin kick? Or are it the
same thing? You're like his spinkicks. Let me look, I'm watching
good like I can't identify it.It's a spin kick. Okay, yeah,
I misidentified it as a roundhouse kickearlier. Wait, I mean they
could be the same thing. There'sa space by no means an expert.
Yeah, I just know. Hejumps and his foot connects with Yes,

(55:37):
there there is foot, said assailant'sface. There it is. Wait,
a proper roundhouse kick is spinning andjust a partial circle to give the Oh,
so like a roundhousecake, So hedoes a full spin in this one.
So a roundhouse is just sort ofsomewhat of a spin to catch catch
somebody. I kind of feel likehe does a full let me see,

(55:59):
Yeah, does a roundhouse. There'sno jumping involved. He jumps in this,
does he not? No, it'smore of a spin. One foot
stays on the ground. Oh doesit? Okay? But he follows through
to the other side to point hisgun. Yeah, he because he ends
up facing he stopped so slow.He starts out facing like along the length

(56:21):
of the plane. Then he endsup where he does a full three sixty.
Yeah. I love it. Ican't tell you. I can't tell
you how enthralling it is to watchboth of you watch this scene. I
could just watch this. This isa wonderful listening to us watching this scene.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, isthat cage if you pause it just

(56:45):
in time? Is he really throwingthis kick right, he's at the standing
and is it the pilot? Iwish I had the DVD up because you
can freeze frame a little bit better. Oh there's the hair. I mean
definitely him throwing the punches. Ithink it is. Yeah, I think
that you could. Let's just sayit is. He did all the all

(57:07):
the work to get those arms,so what not blunt to kick as well?
You know what, Jay, Ithink you're right that looks like him
cage will obliterate you. Yeah,I mean he's not kicking the guy in
the face like it's cut and Ithink you've worked on stats, Mark,
This isn't real. I feel badthough. This guy falls right in a
lumber after this. That's splinters aswell, open wounds, splinters in them.

(57:31):
Don't kick me in the harder tokick like this and not kick the
guy because you're acting, or isit harder to actually land the kick.
That's a great point. I meanthere's you have to have more control when
you throw to not hit. Thatmakes sense. So like, if you're
you, you really have to thinkabout where you're throwing and hit your mark,

(57:52):
throw your kick perfectly right. Ifnot, I'm saying there's that movie
Dark Angel where don't flu this thisthe stunt guy moved one step too far
and they left it in the movie, and Darf Dolf Lundering obliterates a guy
in game Ngel and it's like,you gotta hit your marks. So I
would say it's harder, Yeah,it's it's yeah, that's it helps.

(58:15):
The guy being kicked here is agood three feet away from Nickola's kick's foot,
and in the show like the sameshot from below him, so it
looks like close. But also inCreed Training, Michael B. Jordan got
knocked out by a punch that thatwent a little too hard, Like yeah,
so I would say, yeah,to not hit somebody, Yeah,
I mean they're going full on likeyou. I mean, it's not like

(58:37):
you're holding anything back when you're actingwith that much emotion and energy and adrenaline
and everything's going and you have tobe just not quite there to connection like
that's you know. I know Ifeel that way when I'm throwing something away
in a trash basket that's like afew feet away from me, and I
throw it and it goes like behindin that little corner between the ask it

(59:00):
in the wall it doesn't go inthe I always say it's harder to do
that than actually make I feel likewhat I'm saying is me and Nicholas Cage
are the same. Yeah, no, yeah, I mean it is harder
to throw it right in a crevassbehind a wide open trash can. You
should be proud of that. I'ma big fan of Heidi Moneymaker. She's
a great stunt double fight choreographer,and she calls it a dance. So

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you watch a lot of these moviesand it really does feel like a dance,
sir. So for him to nailthose moves and then throw the kick
and then not actually kick somebody andthen have a guy flying the lumber,
good work. Yeah, I mean, gigantic fight scenes like that have always
I mean when they call it fightchoreography, right, I mean, that's
to me, that's why it's thesame thing you think about. You know,
all the matrix fight scenes you knowjump out to me right now,

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anything with kung fu of course,like the Old Boy you know Hallway scene,
like I mean, stuff like thatlike that, it does appear to
me to be just as complicated andintricate as something as say, you know,
a dance scene in La La Land. You know, I taught my
students about the old fight, OldBoy Hallway Fight yesterday and I talked about

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the dolly track and how many markingsthey had to put on because you know,
whenever whenever he's winning the fight,the dolly's going forward. Whenever he's
they're going with the momentum of thecharacter. But when he's losing, the
dolly goes back with him. Sothere's this crazy art to that. But
as you're if you're a dolly grip, you got to have that thing taped
down, like they probably reharse itleft, right and center and then so
on that dolly track, I betyou're there's so much different tape that that

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guy had to hit or person hadto hit during that. So like you
have not only do you have thecameraman point focus, you have the stuntman,
then you have the dolly track laiddown that you actually have to like
go with the momentum to tell thestory of the fight. So yeah,
it's a nightmare, yeah, whichI mean, which is why then when
you get the result you get atthe end, everyone is you know,
justifiably impressed because it's like, look, you look at you pulled off.

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You know the fighters too. Ithink the Koreans are better zombies and better.
I think the extras are better inKorea. When you watch Korea and
zombies, even the ones in thedeep background are selling it. But then
sometimes you watch some other movies andthe ones in the deep background are kind
of like they're they're not owning it. But I feel like Korean zombies are
better. And you're watching Old Boy, I mean, it's a Park Channel

(01:01:12):
Wook films. Though of course it'sgonna find like everyone's gonna work for him.
But those extras in that Old Boyscene are just perfection, like they're
just selling it's so good. I'mgonna go eat an octopus. If you
want more on Old Boy, youshould listen to my podcast on Old Boy
that I did like two years ago, and episode yeah Rambling Ramblers and this
wait Decision to Leave is the bestmovie at twenty twenty two everyone, so

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watch it. And it wasn't nominatedfor anything, which is insane. So
watch that movie after because it wason movies. It was on two B
or whatever movie movie movies on oneof those, no one has that.
No one's gonna watch it because noone has the app more people after Sun's
the most watched movie now in moviehistory, which makes me happy. And
those two movies in ten years aregoing to be looked at his art.

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After Sun and Decision to Leave,I think are the two twenty twenty two
films that in ten years people aregonna be watching it. I mean,
I'm not arguing that I haven't seeneither. I'm just saying that, like
and that that point may be veryaccurate. No one can movie. Yeah,
so even so after someone got topush here because of A twenty four
So I think that's why you gotBest Actor Paul Mescalbet. Movie solely did

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it. So they didn't even sentout screeners for Decision to Leave, So
it's like close. They bombarded withthat, like a lot of the films
that international films everyone got screeners for. So yeah, Decision to Leave.
I never got a practical copy,so you can see why it wasn't on
any lists. Watch movie. Getit. It's two bees, great too,
it's free. Get to the endmovie and then go to movies.

(01:02:43):
You can get a cheeseburger, Bushscoopy too. Oh. I try to
figure out how you were going tofollow that up, Jay, and you
know, if accounting Cynthena's men,there are twenty two cons in this chapter.
I'm guessing that the South American drugLord employees convicts. If we don't

(01:03:04):
encount them, then eighteen. Butno, there were on the air doesn't
counts. That doesn't matter anymore.No cons in the air? Cons Don't
you become a convict when you've beenarrested? Yeah, but maybe these guys
have. I don't know, becausethey all worked for Centena long Pool,
who is the drug lord? True? So it's I mean, is at
least eighteen cons up to twenty two? It's somewhere in that range. And

(01:03:27):
there's a con range there con range. Yeah, but that's I have no
my notes. We've been through allmy notes. We talked about gigging,
we talked about shooting, we talkedabout sweating all of the things. Hey,
I'm good, this is fine.Just what's your favorite Fincher movie?
Me? I mean seven, sevenof my favorites. That's a film that
I watched out a lot when Iwas too young to watch it, and

(01:03:51):
it's kind of stuck with me.I love this is not even my desk
is a one of the line fromOlimi. Yeah, so Arle Army note
the small, small, little deserttown that I grew up in. He
is essentially from that area, andafter his death, I believe renamed one

(01:04:12):
of the streets Arley Ermie Avenue.So if you're in Lancaster, California,
Arlee Armie Avenue exists. He's greatin that, and he's great inco Moo
Jacket, and he's a great indoystory. And the Frighteners. That was
great toy story. Frighteners four lines, I see. I know. I

(01:04:33):
don't know a DVD for maybe adecade. It's just been Sun not being
watched. A great poster. Yea, I love seven, I love Zodiac
A fight Club was. Yeah,I've got I have a couple of hot
takes for this that I'm excited toget back into it. So just to
that point, it's been over ayear since we recorded, and I've missed

(01:04:56):
it very much. But life happens, and that's you know, this is
the way it goes. So yeah, we're we're getting back the band back
together as it were for Little FincherRankings. So I have a couple of
hot takes. I'm excited. Yeah, my hot take will be social network
never never made it through it Awa, that's a terrible take. That's that's
that's a terrible saying. I waswell para mind. Yeah, I've never

(01:05:16):
been awakes with the entire tip ofthe film. I cannot have an opinion
on this film. I just alwaysfull to sleeping Rosamond Pike shouldn't won an
Oscar for Gone Girl, agreed Ian, how do you watch Well, it's
the academic you can't predict that.It's not based on that. But like
you watched that movie and you're like, yeah, she's amazing, and I

(01:05:38):
grew up underrated. I would Iagree with that take. Phenomenal cost I
was working in a movie theater andDeath to Smoochy and Panic Room opened on
the same weekend. And I wasa big Norton guy, and I was
a big I was a big Fincherguy, and I was like, what
am I gonna watch on Thursday night? And what am I gonna watch Friday
morning? It was a legitimate Icould do one screening in advance for Thursday

(01:05:59):
night before it open, just tomake sure the print worked. And I
ended up doing Death the Smoochie andthen Panic Room Friday morning. But it
was tough. I'm like, amI gonna do Fincher Norton? Fincher Norton?
That was my what that was twothousand, I guess so yeah,
that was like my yeah, yeah, so that was my twenty one year
twenty one year old self, like, oh, I think, what's a
better Friday morning viewing? I thinkI think you went the right way around.

(01:06:23):
I do like Death to Smoochie.That film doesn't get talked about much.
Yeah, it's just it's it's nota pleasant film. Yeah no,
but I was. It was.It was a stressful day, like it's
it's I remember that. For me, I was like, oh no,
what am I do? Anyway?That is nothing that had nothing to do
with tan Air. That was justme saying that, well, there's a
bunch of cons in his movies.It's absolutely anyone thoughts on this chapter ro

(01:06:46):
Colnar as a whole. I thinkit's my third favorite of the action trilogy.
Yeah, I really think it is. It's good. Don't get me
wrong. There's a whole podcast hereabout every scene at least, but yeah,
but I don't think for me itgoes Connair three faced off to the

(01:07:09):
Rock one, and the reason forthat is because the Rocks the one I've
seen the most. Honestly, itwas the one that I kind of gravitated
towards initially, Sean Connery. Imean, so to me, that's the
one that wins. But still Imean, it's just it's just fun.
You know, It's just it's afun time and you get you know,
Muhammadbird. I mean, where elsecan you get Muhummedbird? That's some funny.

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So all three of us have differentnumber ones. That's why I love
about the trilogy. We all lapone favorite. I love it. But
there were three great films. It'slike three awesome things, like what's my
favorite awesome thing? It wouldn't bethe three of us specifically if we didn't
have three different number ones. It'svery true. Jay's computer would shut down

(01:07:55):
again if we did. I thinkthat Stipe knows we were ording this these
episodes out of order. I wantto allow this. You haven't done twenty
six yet. It's not right.Great, well, justin will go.
It's plug. What's coming up soon? The only thing will be the Fincher
Rankings episode live because we'll be inthe same room. My co host Pete

(01:08:19):
Conway and myself, and that willprobably be out by the time this airs,
I would imagine a few weeks away. Yeah, So either way,
we have a whole backlog of wonderfulmovies if you want to go listen to
us. Basically is I've never seenthe movie. My co host Pete has
seen the movie and knows everything aboutit, and so we kind of go

(01:08:42):
into it with two different viewpoints andhave a lot of fun. So listen
to any of the fifty episodes wehave other than that, just this So
I came back out of retirement justfor you. So it was a lot
of fun. Yeah. So Iwas running row as you should head to
speed Racer and the Italianio that's gonnasalty points, and that being the British
Italian job, which we talked about, the American one as well, No

(01:09:05):
we mentioned it, but the onewe covered in detail was was yours and
it was that was that you know, that was definitely a blast for me
because I learned so many new things. And the American speed rights and the
American speed Racer. Yeah, Idon't listen to that when it got hacked
down. Yeah, I hear.It's a lot shorter than it was.
Mark Light. If anything to plugwould be at my Twitter at mister Justin

(01:09:30):
Gott. That's Mr Justin Gott gotwith two ts and uh, letterboxed right,
isn't that that? I mean?I love letterboxed. I've become addicted
to it and every movie I watchednow I at least throw it down a
paragraph, so you know, findme there. Have you been shared the
mom Instagram as well and Twitter?Yeah? I do, I do it
all so I just want people toread. But I have to say I

(01:09:54):
want attention Jay. Okay, wellwe had to give it to you,
Justin. We're promoting you on yourwork, so for joining us as Mark
Plus. Yeah, just listen tomovies, some of the flakes, movies,
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I got a bunch of videos comingout for them. I got a

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Best Chris, I got a Dragonball z and John Wick one and then
just don't deeply see the podcast ohtoo Fast, too forever. I joined
for a very fun last witch Hunterepisode, so I enjoyed that and also
caged in Couple of Connections. Iwas a guest on the Old Way episode
and we talked about T shirts andnow you can get a T shirt from

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see if they had the mosasaur andthen we talk about them and another aquatic
nonsense going on there. And youcan listen to me generally once a month
over on the Lampcast hocting Lampardy movieTrivia than Jeopardy. An episode well,
it wasn't real interested in January becausescheduling has been difficult this year, but
there will be episode soon. Ihave guests, I have questions, everything's
gonna come out. It's fine andbe fun and you can read my writings

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every at life versus film dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Life vs
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to all those things. But asfor chapter twenty seven of Connor, thank
you once again to our guest JustinGott who ray for the sounds of frigging

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silence. I've been ja cler comeback next week or the Bunnie gets at
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