Chapter 31 - Action Hero Stuff

Jay and Mark are joined by Keith Phipps (@kphipps3000 on Twitter) to discuss the chapter in which John Cusack and Nicolas Cage do some action hero stuff. In this episode, they also talk about stuff blowing up, choreographed ducking, and excessive fire. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

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Bunny Down, Bunny down in thebox. Hello man, Welcome to can

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Air the podcast. I am MarkYatzy Halfmayer, and I am Jay.
I guess it'd be my Tai clueit, but I was going to go
with raining propane tanks clue. Welcometo you aboard on the podcast. Chapter
thirty one. On the show,Mark and I fly away through Cane scene
by scene with some wonderful guests.And this is chapter thirty one. What
happens in carn Air Chapter thirty one, Well, the Cans execute their own

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bush on Larkin's reinforcements in the boneyard. Seeing the imminent slaughter, Larkin hot
wise a bordozer for the soldiers touse us cover as he clears the way
of the obstructions swamp thing taxis areplaying to the wrong way and removes the
toe rope swats Johnny twenty three seasonsopportunity to have his way with the locks
in Bishop, which Babio attempts tothwart. Poe makes a run through the
war zone comment isn't a bouton copcutand heads to the Joel Bird clutching baby

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a syringe, stopping briefly to tiethe remaining tie rope around a concrete pillar
or having inside just in time,punch johny twenty three out and mash his
head several times into a cage wall. Seeing the tide is turning on the
plane as ready Cyrus calls the survivingcomes to head back to the plane.
We have a wonderful guest joining usfor this one. He's another Nick Cage
expert, so we had we hada couple of but this one's literally written
the book on Nick Cage. Joiningus from the Next Picture Show podcast and

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the author of Age of Cage isKeith Phipps. Keith, Welcome to the
show. Hey guys, thanks forhaving me. Oh thank you Johns.
And I just gotta say I lovehow this chapter like swamp Thing is proving
himself to be one of the MVPsof this movie. And he's all by
himself. He's on the tractor,he's taking tying all the ropes off the
plane, he's flying it. He'sgetting rid of the transponderer, Like he's

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quickly becoming the MVP of this movie. As far as the criminal's goal,
yeah, he gets it done.You want him on your team. I
mean, if you think of whois the most the most use full Kilm
there, the one who can flythe planine is probably the kind of an
essential element and so kind of like, you know, instead of like spending
this moment to attempt to sexual assaultother people, you know, you actually

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get some things done. Yeah,Joey twenty is three not the most useful
kil on the plane. He sawthat they had company coming. That's the
only useful thing he's done. Sowell, now he's you kind of have
to admires dedication to his bit.I don't want to joy twenty three is
like easing this opportunity to do aterrible, terrible thing instead of like be

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useful. I don't know, Ihate him as a character, but yeah,
I don't know if you're like inninety seven when I watched this.
I keep talking about this when Iwas fifteen, and the whole swimming pool
bit and the whole Johnny twenty threebit on the plane. I remember just
thinking to myself, like, thisis a pretty nasty little action picture here,
Like I really enjoyed it. Butthis movie definitely has an edge.
I don't know if you've felt thattoo, keep when you were watching it,
but this is this is stuff thatyou watch and you're like, this

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is kind of heavy for just anaction film. I'm going on right now,
yeah, for sure. And Cardson the Table this is I'm like
the big Well, I guess there'sfour big page action movies. It's probably
a second at least my second leastfavorite. I do like this film,
but but there's things like that thatkind of keep me from from loving it.
Like I've always hated the Bushimi stuff, but like, you know,
not not Boshimi himself, but thewhole like you know, teasing he's gonna

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Raven kill this little girl as aslike sort of a I fairly fleshed out
subplot of this film. It's reallykind of leaves awkward, you know,
and not great taste in the mouth. I mean, at least with what
I mean, at least you know, it doesn't do it doesn't go there
and Johnny twenty three does get interruptedheroically of course. Um but um yeah,
it is it is. There's there'ssome lapses of taste. I guess

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it's one way to put it.When they were making this in ninety seven,
like they're like, yeah, let'stoss in these two subplots during this
gigantic action scene. It's a it'san odd but I mean, I guess
I'm not saying it's good and Idon't know if it's quite tateful, but
at least it gives a little bitpersonality. Is that the right word?
Like they Yeah, Yeah, Ithink that's what I wanted to put it.

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And I think the end of thecultural moment here is is we're on
the other side of like seven andlike this sort of this, this sort
of turn to the grizzly is isyou know, being made. I mean
even like from Silence and the Lambson, it's this. There's sort of
the door opened for for grizzlier quoteunquote edgier material to find the toy into
movies. Oh wold, yeah,because what you get, like, you

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know, like the Professional in ninetyfour went super pretty, like super hard,
and then you kind of have thatevolution into that and then into this.
Because this is definitely a lot differentthan The Rock which came out the
year prior, Like that, one'smuch more of a Michael Bay gung Ho
good verse bad film. There's nottoo many it's just a straight up action
picture. This one has some detours, but also one thing I do love

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about this chapter is and sorry todrop this on y'all, but I was
looking up the special effects crew becauselike the special effects who earned their money
on this And the guy who's theforeman this Full Expects foreman was Paul Lombardi
and his dad was Joe Lombardi,who worked on like Apocalypse Now and it
just has a huge legacy of blowingstuff up. And I also found out
that he worked on a show calledThe Cage, which was the very first

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Star Trek production. So Joel Lombardiworked on the Cage and then his son
Paul Lombardi worked with Cage on colnAir and he also worked on Ernest Scared
Stupid, which makes me happy.Whoa patterns boom uh yeah. I mean
it's weird like revisiting these these filmstoo, like even like, you know,
even the ones I'm not as into, I get this like weird nostalgia

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just like, oh, that's actualstuff blowing up at actual fire. You
know, it's just this I Imissed when that was kind of how you
had to make an action movie insome wise, they just add more,
like The Cage, Coming Days ison Fire, just just add more firewere
is not really necessary? So theselittle flames keep going why not? And

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then you have swamping driving away withthe fire in the background, Cage jumping
in the air with a fire inthe background, like they they went for
it with the uh and it's goodwork though, I mean, I love
the explosions. I mean, ifyou're gonna have a big elaction scene in
the middle of the film, whynot blow a ton of stuff up.
But well, when Cage is makinghis run, he's running down the kind

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of the boneyard bit, it's verychoreographed, that kind of that vote at
hight. Behind the car door beforethey exploded, you can you can kind
of see the they'm mapping out onset, like okay, so you run
and you duck down here, andthen the explosion because he's not ducking down
from anything when he ducks, isany after he ducks, that's the explosion.

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Yeah, hey, guys, let'snot like Nicholas Cage on fire.
Let's keep him safe. I thinkit's kind of there's definitely a goal of
this production was to to keep atleast Nicholas Cape safe. Yeah, I'm
sorry. Actually, Joe Lombardi actuallywon an oscar in an honorary Oscar in
ninety seven for his adherents for safetyon film sets. So Paul that actually

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won that. And also Paul workedon clear and present danger, which I
saw some on the DNA and thisone as well with like to keep moving
the car chase, like they hiredthe right guy for this, and also
too like I like before this whenwhen you have the famous that's a rock
moment, but you get the geographysomewhat of the fight, like hey,
we're gonna blow up the first andlast and then we're gonna pin him in.

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So when you're watching this action scene, I feel like you at least
know the general flow of it,which is what a lot of action films
don't really do. So I kindof dig that even though we're cutting all
over the place, the planes,the swamp, thing to cues, acted
cage pretty much everyone, you stillkind of know the general gist of this
scene. I don't know if youfelt that as well. I mean,

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I think you do get that froma middle late when they lay it out,
but not necessarily in the action thatfollows. Like I find you know,
I'm not you know, West isreally good at like capturing this you
know memberable image, but you know, putting them together. I think he's
kind of get what people would alwaystag Michael Bay four. But I think
if you compare this and The RockThe Rock, I feel like it's a
far far more coherent and classically struck, you know, classically edited kind of

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movie relative to this. Yeah,And I mean you can see West music
video experience and commercial experience in thisone, just quick clips, neat visuals.
Whereas they had what made Bad Boys. He had he had like a
big movie under his belt and kindof knew the traditional like yeah, how
it like how a long sequence works. So they all came out of propaganda,

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the production company that did all.Like if you wanted a cool music
video in late eighties, early ninetiesor two, you went to and that's
where Fincher was. And so there'sthere is that there'cesarily means there's a shared
style so much as like a reallylove of of of striking imagery. So
many people came out of propaganda.That's yeah, that's it's it's it's it's
nuts. Oh yeah, I lovethat. So I have a good question,

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like, I know you just hadyour your your books come out in
the last year, but like,what's your history with Nick Cage, Like
where's your like when you fall?I can kind of point to Raising Arizona
as like a big kind of agateway art house movie. I'm art house.
I saw it at like the localmultiplex. But you know, you
get the Cohen Brothers, you getthat, and like that was one of

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those things where it's like this madeI was in junior high when that came
out and and made a deep enoughimpression of me, and like I'm going
to follow, you know, I'mgonna get your pitch into the Cohens and
page Nicholas Cage play picture an uncoHolly Hunter. And then I guess for
me with the book, it justI's largely inspired by seeing Mandy with an
Audience, which is the film Love. And I just realized I've been watching

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Nicholas Cage movies for a long time. I'm thrilled that he can still surprise
me, Like I love that performanceand I'm not sure anyone else could pull
that off. And like so Ikind of like, you know, the
book kind of came out of methinking like, well, I want to
write something big about you know,changes of the movie going and movie the
movie. How movies have changed inmy lifetime. This is a you know,
and I really have a fan ofNicholas Cage and this was not using

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him as like kind of a waythrough. This would not be boring.
You guys, been a year watchingSomething's movies. Nicholas cagees are going to
are you too much on? Thereare exceptions. Having seen all of them,
including the last decade of directed directedstreaming stuff, you know, they're
not all They're not all going tothrow you like Kanye even the other time
in the West movie he does doesn'tthrow it you like sullen. But now

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I'm just you know, I'm alwaysyou know, um just always someone kept
an eye out for it and andand you know through you know, you
kind of could forget about him fora little bit a couple of years there,
and then you know, the Wildat Heart and then a Red Rock
West and then the Sunning reinvention inthe mid nineties. Like it's it's strange
to you were you said you werefifteen when this came out. Are you

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all enough to remember? Like howstrange it was that Nicholas Cage Was it
an action movie at all? Imean that that itself, is like I
think that kind of gets lost becausea lot of people just know him from
the action movies first, because they'rehis biggest hints. But it was just
an odd find him at all.He was a trapped in Paradise guy.
You know, those are some likeguarding Tests, those are the movies I

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first started watching with him. Ididn't go back and watch Valley Girl and
Birdie and all those other like theone the Helicopter with It Tommy Lee Jones,
Like I didn't watch any of thoseuntil probably like recently when I went
through his filmography. But yeah,I remember just thinking like, why is
this Scott The guarding test is rippednow? Like I remember seeing him the
con Air and just watching him dohis pull ups and it just felt like,

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you know, like leaving Las Vegas. It is a very physical performance,
but it's more of a draining performance, like shoulders hunched, blurry eyed,
this dude's dying, and so healways had an element of physicality,
but I think when he added theextra bulk and wait, and he also
he's super sassy in this movie too, Like this is a big departure from

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the Rock as well, and theRock he's he's in over his head.
He's he's sort of mentored by SeanConnery this one. He's going toe to
toe with Malkovich and Treho and BillyBedlam and and so I distinctly remember just
going WHOA, like this is thisdude's got range? I get felt a
little odd for sure. I feellike with the Rock, the subtext is
basically like isn't it strange? AndNicholas Cage as an action star and the

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whole like he had a lot ofapparently spent a lot of effort in reshaping
the character. So you know,he doesn't swear, he doesn't want to
use guns, he feels out ofplace, um, you know, especially
in the first half of the themovie. By the end he's like a
huge you know action you know,actually doing action hero stuff, and like
this is kind of like the graduationfrom that where it's like here you could
just be an action here. Ithink there's a lot of twist to what

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he does here. I think it'sa really fun performance. Um. And
I think he kind of latches ontothe right tone and the way sometimes the
movie around him doesn't always do it, you know, but uh um,
but yeah, you watch him likerunning with the T shirt and in the
long flowing hair. It's like,okay this you know this, he doesnt
actually make sense? Its action star. I guess this is my first cage

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was action cage like the Rock FaceOff con was. Those are my first
three cage films. I'm I wasten when connect him out, so I
did't see it. So for meit was like, wait, this guy
can actually act like he's like he'salways been actioned still, so I'm the
exact opposite to I don't know.Oh, I don't think you're alone either,

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And I think also, um,you know people, I think for
people younger than you, that's oftheir first first exposure because these are the
big movies that that you just kindof run into most easily. Um we
were they're on TV or just streamingsomewhere or whatever. People know these movies.
They were huge hits and and perhapsyou know less than like Red Rock
West is not as well known,and that week you know him, I

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guess the last week you know him, just as pen dates for National Treasure,
right, yeah, of course NationalNational Treasure was those are the two
I can watch with my kid.When I was doing this movie, Um
and Uh yeah, those are thoseare really fun. I like this.
I'm sorry that that was cut short. If I always felt like a third
one would have made a lot ofsense. Yea, The second one pulled
in four hundred and fifty seven millionworldwide. I know it had a big

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budget and a lot of marketing,but that's still a profit right there for
a non superhero Let's Hunt for TreasurePG property big money per one of the
producers. I actually forget which oneby quote of in the book. Um,
you know, obviously there's a morecomplicated version of this, but his
take on it was essentially, youknow, Disney didn't want just hit movies.

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They wanted hit movies that could alsobe theme park attractions and and and
so on and so forth, andand didn't see that with National Treasure.
I mean there's other stuff going ontoo, and he doesn't. He does
Sources Apprentice for Disney, which isnot a huge hit the same team.
There's happens like general like sort ofbad press. He's getting around its financial
troubles, so you know, aroundthe time you would see a third National

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Treasure movie. So there's other factorsthere too. But I do think that
um, you know, I dofeel it is kind of indicative of if
you can't just be a hit,you have to be a franchise, you
have to be a whole enterprise.With Mini Tendrils was like an early,
you know, early example of thatis is there the fact that there was
no National Treasure three Court Tyler's theseries? You know, perhaps, but

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you know, it feels a littlelight and also too, like I know
that he had his big action daysGone in sixty seconds, Wind Talkers and
then the National Treasure films, butthen when he sort of had his problems
with the you know, financial problems, had a couple of films that didn't
hit big. I still feel likethe twenty tens he found some really cool
movies to make, like Joe,Mom and Dad. Like I saw Mandy

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in a theater too. I justsaw that it was playing one day.
I'm like, I gotta go watchthis. It was one of my favorite
movie experiences ever. So it's it'sbeen fun watching him. He kind of
had a little bit of I don'tknow what you can call it, a
fall from grace, but he keptpopping up in the twenty tens and really
interesting roles, So it was kindof a roller coaster for me since for
him, I mean, if youlook at that doesn't always look like he
had the best choice of roles,but what he could, he went for

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quality stuff like Mom and Dad's afavorite of mine and oh yeah, Andy,
there's a film. The one thatgets overlooked is this film called The
Trust with Coas starting Elijah Wood,which it was kind of a nasty thrower
side of the Last Day I guesswhere he's It's a really fun cage with
performance. It doesn't really stick thelanding. But he's doing another movie with
one of the it's two directors,he's doing another movie with one of them,

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So I'm kind of excited to seehow how that goes. And there's
definitely some some good ones in there, and even the bad ones, for
the most part, tend to bepretty interesting. Um, there's there's things
I'm there's things I'm happy to neverput eyes on again. Though, like
we're talking about Stolen, Josh Lucas'swig in that movie just absolutely steals the

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show. Josh Lucas's performance in thatmovie, it was probably like the thing
that kept me the most interested forsomeone's one of the better ones in some
ways where it's like not quite afull scale summer blockbuster in terms of budget
or things like that, but it'smore ambitious and some of the real cheap
e's he'd end up in a coupleof years later. But uh um,

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yeah, I don't know. Actuallythat's one. That's one where where by
memory of it is not that thatit's not. And what's what's interesting is,
you know you have Cusack in thismovie as well. They both started
there. They're kind of like theNumbers Station and then Frozen Ground. They
both kind of started their direct toDVD run at the same time, like

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we're around twenty ten, twenty eleven, So it's kind of fun seeing them
in this film. And it wasweird seeing Cusack in an action film actually,
I mean he had been a youknow, face kicker and say anything.
He had done a gross point blankhad a great hallway flight. But
this was kind of odd seeing himin this as well, and just completely
changed the subject. But did youfeel weird about action Cusack? Yeah,
it was traight. I mean healways kind of felt like when we see

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it, perhaps less than now,but when we saw it then it's kind
of like, oh, here's JohnCusack. In an action movie, there's
quotation marks around just presence of performance. I think you kind of get that
about some of the other like sortof indie movie fixtures are in this It's
like, well that's just you know, see Bashimi in here is that that's
that's peculiar. You know again,like so that contrast gets lost as as
you know, their career changes overtime. But but yeah, it is

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just like kind of a sign.I think it was to come to see
them in this movie together. Yeah, him and his sandals. Cuzac wanted
to wear sandals in this film.That makes me laugh every time I see
him. Just that was his onenote he wanted. He didn't want to
wear shoes. You want to wearsandals and do the action scenes. I
guess you want to be it.Yeah, if you watch some of the

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scene, like they're always talking aboutoh Berkenstocks, like Coleman, he's just
so angry through this entire film,sandals. I know that that's interesting.
I do love Meani in this inthis movie as well. It's like he's
usually playing such a sweetheart, andyou know, you know him from Star
Trek is kind of a grumpy sweetheart, but here he's just crumpy jerk from
set, from the second to one, the moment he's on the screen,

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he's yeah, hatable. What's yourterm for him? Jay? A good
bad guy? He's a Yeah,he's a bad guy just because he's he's
like on the side of the goodguys. But it's just in the way
the whole time. He's not helpingout anyone, but he should be.
He's like, okay on cusack side. But yeah, not any anyway that
we love Mini as well. Justwe had we had like three or four

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scenes in a row of him justand he's like yelling at each other.
We've got a little tired of him, but now he's not as much.
We kind of miss him. Andhe's back next week, so it's all
good. He gets some Meani nexttime. We've got a good car gag
next week. Yeah yeah, SoJay who who wins the sweat Bucket Award?
Every week we hand out the sweatBucket Award to the sweatiest actor in
this film, And there there's somuch fire there's a lot of competition with

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that, so there's there's always arole a rule that if Babio was in
the scene, he wins the SweatbucketAward just because he's always so sweaty with
his need for the insulin. Soand he is rolling along the floor in
desperion here, so he's he's acontender for it. He's got a good
sweat moment he does. I mean, bing Rahims is having a whale of

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a time with with his guns inthis one. Yeah, he is,
and many many kind of have theadvantage here because he's so there's so much
more surface, much sweat. Yeah, I think it's gonna be be because
he's he's he's shots and he's yelling, he's the explosions, I think,
I think, I think Diamond Doggets it for this chapter. But there's
did anyone count how many different hehas. He has two different guns in

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this one scene, and Cyrus hasthree cute track of who was shooting,
taking what shots and repuls of whatexplosions and it nothing is is edited to
go from a certain direction. SoI kind of got a little bit lost
with it. But Cyrus has hasthree different guns. He's got a machine
gunners shotgun, and a handgun atvarious moments, and it's not always no

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reloading, no reloading, which asthat is that does stick with when the
plan was and the and the gunswere distributed. They all had several guns
on them, so it does kindof make sense. But we get we
get one shot of friend of theShow Ty Grandson Jones, his former guests
of the show. He is liketwo seconds into this chapter. He's got
a grenade launcher. He's wearing it, but he's wearing a gas mask and

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no one else is wearing gas mask. So I went on contacted Ti ties
is you and he's like, yeah, that's me. I asked if there's
a story behind the gas mask andhe said any story he's got is he
hated wearing it because it was coveringhis face. He completely forgot about that,
and he asked me for the screenshotfor it because he's never had he's
never seen that image before. Buthe just no one else is wearing them.

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It's just him in this one shot, and I don't. I was
hoping like, yeah, we tried, everyone had him one day, but
no, that's it. Just thinkthere's not more of a story. We
had the poison from the rock andwe were going to use that for a
scene, but then we felt like, no, it's too soon, So
we're just not We're not going todrop that on him. Oh man,
I did. It did look likeit looked like Cyrus was killing people left

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and right though he's a dead shot. I counted Cyrus got I think Cyrus
got three kills in this one.I think one with each gun. But
when he says everyone get back tothe plane, he then gets a head
shot on a guy with a handgunwho is like a mile away, is
so far away, and he getsthat a shot. So like he's he's

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doing is doing a good job.Again, he's trying to kill. I
mean, so we see a bladeTigridson Jones. He gets he blows up
a car, so I think there'sone person in each car, so he
gets that one. Another con witha great daunch gets one car. You
don't know who that is, butthe only other person we see with a
great daunch is Diamond Dogs. I'mI'm crediting that kill to him. He

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also gets a truck, an armytruck with one person in it. Mon
Goose, Mon Gooose and Viking areup on the plane. Fuslage Mongoose definitely
gets to kill. I'm gonna oneunknown kill. I'm gonna give the Viking
just so he gets some things upthe shooting, so why not. Cyrus
gets three, Ajax gets one,and but then we lose a couple of
cons. We lose Mongoose, welose Ajax. In this scene, Mongoose

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gets shot down. He falls downon that great he gets that wonderful shot
from underneath, and then Ajax crustgets fresh by. He's off in a
fuslage. There are somehow a largerfuslage above him. Somehow they gets taken
out and lands on him. That'sso Keith. One thing, one mission
that we have on this is wheneverwe lose a con, we work out
what that con was in prison forokay, and so, which we haven't

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had to do for a little while. We haven't lost the con, we
haven't lost a kind of one whowho's prime We didn't know. We lost
Cinna recently. We knew what hedid. So ajaxon Mongoose we don't know.
So you get to help us.What do you think they did?
Ajax is the guy film It isabsolutely uh so. Ajax is kind of
the big guy with the shotgun whogets crushed by the fuslage. Mongoose is

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up in the fuslage with with Viking. Who yeah, he gets shot and
falls down on a great um.Well, you know, the name is
possibly a clue there. So whatdo I mean? Maybe he killed a
lot of snakes? Seems like perhapsnot not a not a prison, you
know, a felon, a felonyof fans. He lived in Florida and

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he just took out a ton ofpythons that are just in a monk down
there right now. Uh yeah,so so I know Ajax was the first
to get on and those are theworst of the worst, and then Mongoose
was done the second group. Arethey the worst of the worst? To
j Are they just they kind ofbad? I think they have to.
I think they're just the worst ofthe worst from this other facility. So

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yeah, so I think they're allthe worst of the worst. I just
put shots in the skype chat ofwho Mongoose and there who Jacks? So
yeah, I think we have towe have to say they're all the worst
of the worst. H Yeah.I like mongoose being involved with snakes in
some fashion. I think that worksquite well. I also like that in
my spreadsheet of a tribute to theSoldier was killed by a mongoose. It

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just makes makes me, makes mesmile. I mean Ajax perhaps um,
you know, some sort of offensewithin the Trojan War. I don't don't.
It's an immortal. Yes, heactually is Ajax of of myth and
lore um walking among us. Idon't know. I'm sure where to go

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with that one. It could bea soccer term, you know, like
the Dutch team like IAX. Hedid seem very happy when when the guns
were brought out to being distuted.He's one of the guys with a big
grin on his face. So myguess is it's something fire, either involving
firearms, or he's always wanted todo something involving firearms. He just seems
thrilled that he's fighting gonna get hishands on a gun. I mean he's

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pretty good. They all know howto use them. Yeah, and he's
also he's a big guy. He'she's one of the more muscle bound of
the cons on it. So he'sone of Jim Carrey's sons and me myself
and Irene. He is he isgot it. Why when I got to
his idea page, you see apicture of Jim Carreys this is probably not

(25:48):
Mongo brown Ley. It could behis new his new movie. I guess
he's going a full method. Yeah, perhaps, well, yeah, it's
so all right, Jay. Helikes his guns. The gun runner,
I want to say, like agun lifter of some kind. That he's
involved in the gun running base.His job to like lift giant rates of

(26:08):
guns is what he has to beso strong. Wait, so he gets
arrested for lifting, but like helpingthe distribute guns. But being the muscle,
the literal yeah, the literal muscle. Yeah, and figurative. Well
yeah, I mean someone someone's gonnado it. This one's tough because we
don't spend much time with him,Like we just sort of he comes on

(26:32):
the plane. So yeah, Ilike that he's an immortal. He's an
immortals that we don't ever see thebody. The fuselage lands on him,
we cut a weight, We neversee him again. So he there we
go. He survived. He's stillout there. The legend of Ajax lives
on. That works. Yeah,he'll pop up somewhere else. And he

(26:55):
didn't get decapitated. So like ifhe's a Highlander, he's fine. Yeah,
just has to regenerate and he'll beback Kanyer two, him and Garland
Green. If Kanye were made inthe odds like it would follow the Fast
and Furious model. He would nowbe like a key member of the gang
of extended family of Kanier. Hewould have done like a face turn and

(27:18):
now would be helping Nicholas Cage orwhoever took over as the head of the
franchise after a certain point or whatever. But the last year we got we
only got Ajax. In this onefilm, him and Cyrus are just drinking
Corona with the crew. Yeah,I'm working in assignment right now for screen
junkies. I'm doing this by thenumbers videos. So they got me watching

(27:38):
all the Fast and Furious movies,and it reminded me that in Furious seven,
the beginning of it StatesOn kills aboutthirty guards, doctors and I think
a couple of nurses to go visithis brother. Guy. He's a mass
murderer. And then the next film, him and Dayne Johnson are like,
well, you know, like warlike it's cool, Like I'm not a

(28:00):
murder. I'm not a mass murderanymore. And then he became he'd went
from a mass murder to uncle Stathamin one movie. I feel like that's
the quickest heeled to face turn ofa mass murder in cinema ever. Like
a lot I get forgiven between betweenthe Fast and Furious sequels, especially if
they want to keep you know,characters and cast members involved. Yeah.

(28:21):
Absolutely, And I mean listen,I guess you want decker Shaw on your
side. But maybe they should paythe families of the people he took care
of, like because he he slaughtereda lot of people in that movie.
Yeah, they have illegal fund thatkind of draw them for civil suits.
The parts of the Past and Furiousmovie, you just don't say we need
that angry boss in the movie,like stop killing people, deckerd Like you

(28:42):
know how much this is going tocost the fund? Yeah, Giamatti,
there we go, Paul Giamatti justyelling at Statham about his murders. I
do was not saying, just himmeeting like you say, the families of
the people that you stilted and right, But I did, I did.
I did help that baby. Isay that that one time that playing and
say that, Oh my good god, say the baby. Yeah, and

(29:03):
then I guess he did save thebaby, which is one of my favorite
scenes in the whole franchise is safeone to play with the baby. Yeah,
and then he becomes Uncle Statham.Yeah, he puts the music on
the baby. Wait, that soundslike a Silence of the Lambs quote.
And then let's see, we gotmongoose. What do you think like?

(29:26):
Yeah, what do you think mongoosedid? Jay? I mean I'd like
the snake angle. I like thathe just killed He killed a bunch of
endangered snakes. That's what makes itso bad. Okay, he was he
had a there were criminal rivals tohis organization called the Snakes, and he
was there mongoose who would go inand take out the other guys. Oh

(29:48):
but did he did he use asnake as his method of assassination? Oh?
Maybe? Maybe that's a whole othermetal level to this. I mean
it's the ninth I mean it's thenineties. You had so many cree easy
assassins in the nineties, so Imean it would make sense that he would
just use snakes. Yeah, himand Martin Blank worked together. But I
do like Mario roberts Man. Hehas eighty eight stunt credits, so I

(30:10):
always like it when stuntes get adecent role and they get showcased and make
some extra of pay rather than justtaking a bump on set. He did
stunts. Annoy it man. Yep, all right, so there it is.
He killed the rival gang snakes andthen they caught him. Yep,
it did stunts and Titanic what fantastic. I always like, you know,
it was always fun. Like Ialways loved watching the like stunt crew and

(30:33):
like the special effects crew work whenI was on sets, and it was
always fun when they got a bumpup and got lines and they weren't just
like the generic guy taking a bumpon set. I think he's all second
guy hit it stunts on Midnight Run. Hey yeah, oh he's an Escape
from La too. I love thatmovie. I knew you did, so
are you an Escape from La Guy? I like it. I mean it's

(30:57):
it's such a bizarre so different fromthe original, and like it's so in
a way that it's so tied toits period. It's era in a way
that the original Escape from New Yorkjust is not, you know, all
on cheap California jokes whatever, butwhatever. They seem me having a good
time. Yeah, And I guessfor me when I saw it. It

(31:18):
had Bruce Campbell and Kurt Russell init. So I was fourteen, I'm
like that, I'm sold. Thisis fine enough for me. Sure,
he plays basketball, he surfs,likes Deep Bushmi's in it. Surfing effects
are just just embarrassing for everyone.You know, when you're fourteen, you
don't really think about visual effects toomuch. You're just kind of enjoying the
movie. But I remember distinctly going, I don't know about this, Like

(31:41):
this does not feel too great watchingthis thing. But real quick, So,
you know, you covered a lotof Cage movies from the nineties.
You watch his action films. Youmentioned other action films before, like,
what are some of your top tieraction films of the nineties, Like,
what are some of you beyond Cage? Oh god, yeah, that's a
huge question. I mean Face Offis certainly way up there. Oh yeah,

(32:02):
does have have Cage uh in itas well? Um, but I
mean a lot of you know,and I think that's just a masterpiece on
every level. I Mean, thechapter in this book is kind of like
how the nineties action films were.You know, what works in the eighties
was kind of drying up, soyou had, like you had, you

(32:22):
know, Schwartzeninger saalone either going intodifferent directions or kind of like their careers
faltering a little. You know,I think, you know, has Segal
and Vanda, but they never reallybecame like the huge, huge Schwarzeninger In
Level Stars, I think the twobig influences were Hong Kong and then Michael
Bay in the Michael Bays style hereand and ultimately I'm going to prefer the

(32:42):
Hong Kong stuff more than anything.And and you know, Face Off is
just the most John Wu film youcan have. You know, I love
every moment of it. I loveboth those performances and the way they trade
trade off. It's it's it's it'sa it's a masterpiece. Uh that's that's
certainly a fair But like I don'tknow hit when nineties action, I always
blank when people ask me these kindof things like Matrix, But I mean,

(33:04):
like Hard Boiled was ninety and Ithink after that, I think point
breaking, Hard Boiled probably influenced alot because you have Keanu and Patrick Swayzy,
two non super beefy, sort ofsensitive leads. And then I do
you think that opened that might haveopened the door for like the Slaters,
the Nick Cages, the Keyanus thatand then the hard boiled with the balletic

(33:25):
gun work. You could see itin like Desperado, the big hit.
Like I feel like so many moviesborrowed from those two movies. And I
think Speed propelled like Keanu once again. So then that that kind of action
hero was more appealing because what ninetyfour was like Specialists and stallone kind of
tanked on that, and then whatSchwarzenegger had ninety one with T two,

(33:45):
but then he had like End ofDays and those films, so he wasn't
hot. Yeah, A Racer waslike his big like action comeback at the
time. You know, it wasmostly he did that sort of the comedy
asides and like last Action Hero didn'tquite work. Got all. I think
that movie is pretty clever. Yeah, but you know your luggage shoots the

(34:07):
alligator, Oh man, that moment. Yeah, I know, I just
put you on the spot on that. But it's nice to hear you talking
about John wu And one thing Ilike about Face Off is I think the
star power of Travolta and Cage allowedhim to go full woo in an American
film, which for sure absolutely Imean, I think, you know,
it's just clearly his best Hollywood moment. It's the one where he most you

(34:29):
know, he's like kind of lockedup with the themes of it and the
style. You know, he's gotthe cast sort of game for what he's
trying to do. Um it is. I wish he'd had a chance to
make more true John wo movies duringhis Hollywood phase, but you know,
we take what we can get.I actually think, I actually we think
Wind Talkers is an interesting movie too. I don't know, have you guys

(34:51):
still seen that or yeah, yeah, Adam Adam Beach who I'm a big
fan of Nicholas Cage, Yeah,right, and likes like it kind of
like punishes you for the movie youthink you want to see. You want
to see like a cool John WorldWorld War two movie, but it's it's
really more like the movie he didin Hong Kong Boat to the Head,
where it's just like I'm just it'sI do violence better than anybody else,

(35:14):
but by the time, but I'mgoing to make it as an unpleasant and
overwhelming as possible. And I thinkwhen Talpers is kind of that. But
in a Hollywood movie, you know, it might explain why it wasn't a
huge hit. But I do reallyrespect what it's going for. I remember
being really excited about that because Ilove the movie Smoke Signals. And then
Adam Beach was an it but yeah, and then when Christians later got decapitated,

(35:37):
that was kind of a shocking moment. It is, yeah, I
mean he really doesn't hold back withthe violence and that one. Oh yeah,
and you know, I watched Iactually went through every single Knick Cage
movie to see which one's feature himhim wearing a sleeveless shirt or a leather
jacket. And I figure out themovies that were feature him wearing a sleeveless
shirt make more money and have guthigher critical scores, raising Arizona, Raising

(35:58):
Arizona, Red Rock West like,and then I just tallied all of his
outfits in his movies. It wasvery random. But uh yeah, but
I went through Wind Talkers again,and I think you're right. It's kind
of long and it does drain you. It's yeah, there's not much balletic
beauty to the gunfights. It's justbrutal. It just you know, it

(36:19):
just really kind of um yeah,it's it's after saving private Ryan, so
they're certainly following the same win staketo just kind of show how awful warfare
can be and how shattery it isto do it, like like Cage's character
in that it's just just a rack. Yeah, no, you're right,
I think from he is just awreck. Wow. Yeah that did.
I like Wo's action scenes too,because he went and subverted that. But

(36:40):
then, like in Face Off,you have the the the what the gunfight
in the prison and the guards arebeing killed and you're feeling kind of bad
about it, like you need toescape, but these guards are being killed,
and then later on the criminals arebeing slaughtered by the cops and you
feel bad for the criminals, likeit's a it's He does a good job
of finding different emotions in his gunfights, and that's like one of the reasons

(37:00):
why I love Woo so much.He also features John Claude punching a snake,
which brings us back to Mongoose andhard Target, which makes me happy.
Lance Hendrickson's wonderful in that movie,by the way. Yeah, yeah,
I haven't seen it in a while. I really like that one too.
I'm trying. I got the fourkN I'm waiting for the right moment
to break it out, and Ijust want to apologize to my brain is

(37:20):
kind of like pinball from Willie's Wonderland. So sorry if I bounce all over
the place. I don't keep peoplelike I think I keep people on edge
a lot. So my apologies forbouncing all over the place. Only fine.
If you want to talk about Willie'sWonderland, we can't do We can
do that too. I'll see thatone. But I think you like this.
I was a guest on the Cagedin Coppola Connections podcast and during our
episode talking about the Old Way,we talked about a movie called The Evil

(37:44):
Red and he went and made aT shirt of it. So I'm wearing
my Red with Ash T shirt rightnow. I don't know if you can
see it. Oh nice, Yeah, I'm a huge Mandy guy. Oh
my gosh, what a movie.Yeah, for sure, wonderful Chainsaw Fight.
Was it pack theater you saw itwith? Yeah? I was in
the music Box here in Chicago,so it was it was. It played

(38:05):
here, It played there. Itdid a really good business there for a
while. They kept bringing it backand it was and it's a really cool,
fun to see with an audience becausethey're not really sure how to react
to it, Like the big vodkadrinking freakout scene, which I love so
much, and it's like, youknow, you get you get titters of
laughter, but it's it's more likediscomfort than making fun of what's going on.
And again, I just don't seeanother There's not toony other actors that

(38:29):
could pull that off. I'm surethere's another actor who could pull off a
scene like that. And I don'tthink they're exploiting Cage in that scene.
I've seen some of his freakouts whereI feel like it's a little exploitative of
him. They're just kind of likeCrage Cage freak out, but this one's
wholly earned that he does. Likethat's a gnarly scene. Oh absolutely.
And then the Scena bites, theScena bite fight where he rips a ton

(38:50):
of coke and then does some ofthose minor playing drugs and then battle Scena
bites in a home. I feltdirty watching that movie, but I also
loved it, Like the Lioness Roachspeech at that played over well with a
huge audience. Yeah, I meanI find that movie really moving. I
mean it's got that sort of overthe top heavy metal album cover vibe to
it. But I think there's realemotions at the heart of it. I

(39:12):
really um, I really love umhold on um. I don't know blanking
on the name. Why am Iblak your name? Kind of those cosmotos
or is that? No? No? No? Why? I do like
his work too, and I'm bikingon the name of the co star angel
I really loves performance and that too. There's a line delivery when she's talking
to the cult leader about you know, after he plays her that song,

(39:36):
and she's just so she cannot containher dismissiveness of it. I yeah,
it's it's a remarkable film. I'veseen Cosmatos's installment on Gammer the Toro's Cabinet
Curiosities. No, I need tothat's I completely forgot about that show.
I need to watch it now.Yeah, thanks for the reminder. I
think it's it's really up and down. The last two are definitely the strongest
ones is his and Jennifer Kent Centuriesare are both remarkable and that's and it's

(40:00):
that his entry is in the styleyou know from Mandy and Beyond the Black
Rainbow, but it's more Um,it's funnier. I mean it is.
Eric Andre is one of the maincharacters. There's space, space, cocaine,
it's, it's, it's, it's, it's it's a wild ride basic
cocaine. So he got Panos andJennifer Kent to just come in and do
segments of his show. Those arebig names. There's there's big names throughout

(40:24):
the whole thing. It's it's it's. Uh. I mean, I like
the sort of poor anithology things,even when they're bad. I kind of
like taking the you know, followingthe up and down of a series like
that. But uh, it's it'sbut it's it's mostly where she come.
Did you watch VHS ninety nine.No, I have not seen you know,
that's the whole series. I havenot checked out the way I should.

(40:45):
Um, and I should probably justgo back and Ben joll And at
some point. Yeah. The directorsof dead Stream, which is a movie
that I loved last year, justone of my favorite films on shutter,
they directed a the final segment ofHS ninety nine about these two idiots being
sucked into hell and it's absolutely hilarious. So even if you don't have much
time, just put that final segmenton and you'll just laugh like it'll put

(41:06):
the biggest Yeah, it's a it'sa random journey in a hell. That'll
make you smile. Okay, itwon't make you question your life like some
hardcore horror movies do. Like Isaw The Devil, which I love,
but that's a hard movie to watch. That's a tough one. Yeah,
that's that's a that's a that's athat's a rough that's a rough ride that
one. Oh my gosh, whatchuamn sync, he's unbelievable in that film.

(41:30):
After well, wait, would hehave been better than Garland Green in
this movie? Well? How wouldhe have fit in The Killer from My
Solid Devil? I think he wouldhave fit in fine. I think he
make him another remember the crew youknow right? Oh gosh, I would
love to see him in a fastand furious movie. Turn good. Could
happen. It could happen. Thatyou going forever? So, Jay,

(41:52):
any other stats you have from thisthis chapter? I mean cons in the
air were actually seen nine cons inthis chapter that there should be seventeen,
so that obviously we can't see themall. That's just not how anything is
gonna work. But there's there's eightout there somewhere. We'll be taking part
in this in this situation, butnot on screen. Sorry, seven,

(42:13):
I forgot something? Was he something? He's he's busy, he's working.
Yeah, we're down to any fifteeninto the chapter. Now we last stage
Jackson nom Goose, and that's goingto keep on going down that number.
We'll not get back up again forfirst of the film. But I really
like Trejo's slow turn realization that he'sabout to have his way with Bishop,

(42:34):
and then he's just like something isoff in his mind and he says this
slow turn punch in the face veryright like that a moment from him,
and then just Cage really taking thatfrom that face and smashing it into those
into that cage. It's not nota good time for Trayo. But think,
how do you reckon? This?Ranks amongst Cage's like hero moments in

(42:59):
his career. He's got the triplehero moment here of bringing the syringe to
baby, stopping the assault on Bishop, and the rope around the anchor rope
around the play all in the spaceof a couple of seconds. That's a
pretty good hero moment for Cage.I think there's not a long scene,
and yeah, he does. Hedoes get a lot of a lot of
row stuff done within it. It'sprobably up there with What the Rock when

(43:22):
he dives for the green Orb andthen yeah, and then a lot of
movie left. There's still they're stillmore to come. Yeah, he does
such a good work in this movie. And also I think a good way
in the nineties of building up yourhero was being able to take out Danny
Trejoe. So you had Desperado andthen you had Anaconda. Yeah, I
mean the stake if the anaconda cankill off Danny Trejoe, you know what's

(43:44):
real? Like that, you immediatelybuy into it. And then from dustill
down they'd take him out and thenhe actually he died a lot in the
nineties, he did. It's stillhere's the reason I bought throwing knives from
a Florida flea market, so Iowe him that. But then I think
you blame him from that. Yeah, listen, never throw throwing knives into

(44:05):
a palm tree while having bare feet. I'm just gonna let y'all know,
don't don't do that, don't eventry. But yeah, and this one,
like the nice thing about Cage iswhen he when he beats up Johnny
twenty three, you believe it,Like I think a lot of a lot
of action stars, I don't know, you don't buy in on them,
like you just feel like they're kindof they're fighting. But I had no

(44:27):
doubt in my mind that this bulkedup cage could just destroy the dude.
And he pulls it off really well, like don't trade women like that.
It's a wonderful line. I wastrying to do a quick survey of how
often Treyhill plays good guys versus badguys these days. But he makes so
many movies. Yeah, no idea, you know what half these are,

(44:50):
and you know who knows, ifif, how you define these characters.
But he lives in heat, doesn'teat because he gets so Leasie survives heat
because he gets caught like he's notpart of the gunfight, but he would
definitely have gotten shot. So yeah, he survived Michael Man's heat. That
makes me happy. Yeah, whatelse you got, Jay? Anything else?

(45:14):
I was just looking at the whenI was knocking out the shots.
It's not all in the correct order, slightly consistency. We've seen the same
as like a white and red fusage. We see it full down twice,
and we see Viking and and onegoose. When they're shooting, they shoot
up the lights on a cup gothat we'll already shoot up in a previous
shot when explosion editor, who cares, No one's gonna no one should care

(45:38):
about this kind of thing. Onlyif you're looking at the film this this
slowly, I guess. But Ido like the explosion work. That that
truck that gets shot in the airis kind of beautiful. I just yeah,
it's I don't think I've seen atruck just kind of shoot straight up
like that in things before. It'swonderful. Yeah. Again, I'm definitely,
I definitely not one of the people. It's like practical effects always over

(45:59):
the over digital effects, because they'reboth. They're both can be remarkable,
but there's something to be said forknowing that what you're seeing is actually blowing
up. I think you can feelthe difference sometimes. This Paul Embardi,
who did a lot of the explosions. Oh, if you go to One
Night, the clip at one nineteen, if Jay sent you over the clip,
you can see Cusack hiding on thetractor with his sandals on, just

(46:22):
letting you know if yes, Yeah, but also like this guy Paul Embardio
blew everything up he worked on He'sworked on Casino and Goodfellas, but then
he's also yeah, Ernest scared stupid, and then he went and did in
the Army now, which actually hasa huge explosion in it. But I
love going through his his IMDb pageand watching the stuff where he's blowing things

(46:43):
up because he has he has quitethe CV here and I mean from all
this like this is a plus explosionsright here, but kind of I dig
it, like just timing him outwatching cage run with a fireball behind his
back, and this is a coupleof chapters after Sindino just got blown up
and they're walking in slow motion awayfrom it. Yeah, this is this
is a good fire heavy, fireheavy bit. I dug it. Yeah,

(47:06):
that's that's a good explosions. Thisis I think there's there's gonna be
some more explosions when they land inVegas and we've just had the big explosion.
Yeah's you know, there's there's alot of fun going on. This
is why they Sylvina made his money. Yeah, that's awesome. But any
any other thoughts about this? Thischapter m M. Now I was thinking,

(47:28):
I was thinking what you guys talkabout, how it does a really
good job becaupanion, Just how hotit would be there because it's already you
know, the desert in the middleof this, I think it's the middle
of summer. It certainly doesn't lookit's joy Yeah, yeah, it looked
like cool weather. Uh and uhyou know you mentioned the heat on top
of that. It almost begs forlike sort of a a you know,
forty experience where occasonally get blasted witha heat wave or something. But I

(47:53):
thank you so I'm sure some enterprisinguh forty person out there could could could
have a good time this film.I have no idea about the technology,
but now I want to try it. Sure, what other what other forty
stuff could you put in it?What else would work? It just be
heat your lens. You have thewind blowing when he gets off that when
when Cage has his wind sound bigfan. Water though, water turns to

(48:17):
play a pretty big pardon in theforty. Well when you have we can't
do it right at the end,which is maybe the worst time. You
want to ideally have the water beforethe heat or everyone back out again.
But when swamp things in the firetruck and it gets pulled with water to
have water there. True, itbecomes a fish tank. Everyone gets soaked
and then you leave and you're justwet. It kind of about your tank.

(48:38):
Well, it's raining in the beginningwhen during the rain fight that works.
Yeah, and he comes in ona boat. You can have a
shower of coconut flakes when he's havinghis his the cake thing. The heat
comes in during the prison fire.Yeah, yep, that's that's a real
quick It's like a montage of fortyx of like, okay, Tess get

(49:00):
coconut fire. Yes, everywhere.I want to program this. That'll be
my goal. I would retire ifI was able to program a successful forty
experience of conn Air. Just quit. Let's put that on my LinkedIn the
scent of gasoline in an earlier chapter. No, we don't actually have gasoline.
It was just like the scent ofit. Yeah it Cyndia explodes.

(49:24):
Yeah, we're it's gonna have hima year from this time. So Keith
Over on the Next Picture Show podcast, Will you repair older films with newer
films for episodes? How often doyou try and pitch a Nick Cage film.
That's the film I saved it fora remember way to massive talent,
and that was that was kind ofyou know, I kind of let that

(49:46):
be one. Uh you know,and it's like I certainly am I've a
been fan. I mean, obviouslyI came away from this book still really
admired him. But it's certainly notthe full My full cinematic diet is not
Nicholas Cage for sure. That's healthy. I guess have a mixed movie diet.
Yeah, I mean there's a lotto cover, but yeah, I

(50:07):
don't know if I'd want to talkabout every Cage movie. There's yeah,
there's there's things to skip there.There's there's some some sections there, and
even you know, I even foundlike Trapped in Paradise to be kind of
a slog too. You know.I think that movie has like such a
great premise and and a fun castand then it just goes, you know,

(50:27):
no nowhere. It kind of hurtsmy soul a little bit, like
this the really nice people and thenCarvey and and uh, Love's love just
bidding the whole time. It's justone bit after another. Cage is probably
the funniest one in the movie becausehe's he's just reacting like he's just trying,
trying too hard with the other two. Oh yeah, that's another kind

(50:50):
of soul crusher of theirs. Buthave you seen anything lately you'd recommend to
our listener? Oh gosh, well, let's see what's out now. I
just what's what I just see?I did not Care four Champions. That
was my film I reviewed this week, Creed three. I thought was was
pretty good. If you want togo to art house, there's a there's
a film called Return to Soul thatthat that are really enjoyed a lot.

(51:15):
I saw it at the end oflast year, and like it's one of
those things where it's like you geta screener at the end of the year.
I wasn't sure if it really madesense of the twenty twenty two films,
so I didn't put it on likemy top list of the year,
but it should have been on there. It's really really a fantastic film about
a woman raised in France who returnsreturns to Soul where where her birth parents
are, but which kind of leadsthis years long I did any crisis that

(51:37):
plays out in some really unexpected ways. I get and in the States,
it's getting a Blu Ray release inApril, so you'd be able to check
it out then. So if yeah, if you're listening, definitely watch that
movie. Yeah, well where canI haven't even thank you? Yeah?
Yeah, I learned about it gotnominated for an Independent Spirit Award. That's
kind of where I learned because theyreleased their nominations in November, and so

(51:59):
I'm part of the Georgia Film CriticsAssociation, So whenever those things come out,
I always go to try to findlike that's how I learned about like
to Leslie, Hunt for Jesus,Save Your Soul Like a Love, Regina
Hall in that, and so Iyeah, whenever those nominations come out,
I hunt down those movies because thoseare that's like my favorite award show.
So I kind of learned about thatthere. So that was cool. It's
not how to UK see. Ithink if you're here and mate, that's

(52:22):
why. Okay, yeah, lookfor it when it comes out. We'll
do Yeah, change your life,Jay, Okay, excellent, Well,
thank you Keith for joining us.What can the listeners fund? You'll go
too? Well, I'm I'm onTwitter. I hate it, but I'm
on Twitter, three thousand U andI write for a bunch of different places.
I q um, you know,The Ringer, TV Guide, Vulture.

(52:45):
My big outlet right now is dolet I do with my my long
time collaborator Scott Tobias called The Reveal. It's the Revealed Reveal dot substack dot
com. We just do a coupleof essays some movie reviews every every week
and we're kind of working our ongoingproject as we're working our way through all
one hundred other Sitan Sound one hundredlist. So yeah, but we do

(53:06):
a lot of a lot of funstuff over there. Yeah, you mentioned
the ex Picture Show weekly podcast wherewe take an old movie in a newer
movie and pair them together. That'sScott and me and Tasha Robinson, Jenny
Akoski and a lot of guests.I can I'd recommend it's sure, thanks,
and you can hear me and Markdo something similar to this. But

(53:27):
we deeply see the whole trigy.Everyone to see the podcast, so we're
not looking at deeply see adjacent films, not recent episodes on the Lighthouse and
the see scenes in the Dressing Worldtrategy. Uh, look, it's the
movie films and fixed podcasts. Checkthat out, and then I think I
have a few videos coming out forscreen junkies, so I have my vegeta

(53:49):
episode will come out. I thinkwhen they're honest trailer drops, I think
I have a John Wick. I'veanalyzed every almost every frame of the John
Wick franchise, so they got tobuy the numbers coming out for that,
I'm gonna I watched like one hundredplus of the Chris Hemsworth Pine the four
of them, and so I thinkwhen the honest trailer comes out of Dungeon
and Dragons, that will be released, or it will be released this month.

(54:09):
I don't know, but I mighthave three videos up on um uh
fandom scream Junkies and so go gocheck. How's four hundred episodes of Dragon
ball Z. I watched and likeone hundred plus Chris movies I sorted through.
But it was cool. I thinkyou'll like the scripts. That's uh,
that's my plug. Nice, verynice. Well, this is thank

(54:31):
you, well, thank you onceagain to our guest Keith Fips. So
join anyone I have been jam Markoff Meyer come back next week or the
bunny gets it sigh. Anara