Chapter 32 - Sentient Hook

Jay and Mark are joined by Roger Wistar (@speedmoviemin on Twitter) to discuss the chapter in which Colm Meaney gets really angry. In this episode, they also talk about flying car movies, desert running, and the Villains of 1997. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

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Bunny Down, Bunny Down, theburny burg in the box. Hello,

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and welcome to con Air the podcast. I am Mark, Sweaty Bicep Halfmyer,
and I am Jay. Oh hellywords, Welcome to you. Aboard don
D Chapter thirty two. On thisshow, Mark and I fly away through
conn seen by seeing this wonderful guest, and this is chapter thirty two.
What happens in chapter thir two O'Connellat well agents, a lawyer and Skip

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Deva's arrived at learn a field surveyand the chaos Cyrus's orders. The surviving
Conn's head back to the jail Birdand prepare for takeoff. Oh Baby,
O and Bishop attempt to leave,but posing promptu anchor doesn't hold long enough
and the plane takes off with everyonestill on board. Blas Molloy's car being
toad flowing through the air, smashingthrough ray of tower and destroyed an impact
with the ground. So we needsomeone's join us. Who is upon cars

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and vehicles being destroyed in films?The host of Roadhouse Minute and Speed Movie
Minute, Roger Wistar. Roger,Welcome to the show. Oh, thank
you, I'm so happy to beon here to talk about cars and calm
Menie, you know I asked youfor I mean, I think I asked
you for Garland Green minutes, whichI thank you you gave me a little
bit of that. Also told meSteve Semi all the car and we got

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to all the three. Yeah,I said, can you give me some
choice calm Meani minutes? And Ithink this is a great scene for that.
There are a question for y'all whenwhen cal Meani Agent Duncan malloy looks
at Agent Vince Larkin's like, you'redone after this? I think he's right
because when all of a sudden doneafter this movie, there's gonna be an

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inquiry. They're kind of they're gonnabe like, so what, And Vince
Larkins be like, well, Iput all the worst of the worst criminals
on a plane and it got takenover and then they landed, killed a
bunch of soldiers, and then ittook off again, then it crashed in
Vegas. Like I think I knowhe ended up having the chase like the

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train chase I always forget about inSpeed and then the fire truck chase,
which I always forget about in connAir and it's then I mean I know
he did that, but Vince Larkinsgonna have a blemish on his resume.
Well, it's not It's not justthat you put all the worst of the
worst on the same plane. Youthen didn't have any continency plan for if
they took O. You didn't thinkthat he's master criminals trip possibly overthrow the

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system and trying escape despite many ofthem having escaped from prison before. Yeah.
I was rewatching the movie today andI guess you know, like I
mean the Achilles heel for this,for this whole thing is when m chard
Bishop gets her key stolen because she'sattempting to fight the fire, and somehow

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Pinball is like gotten up out ofhis seat, Like Yeah, so I
guess I guess Agent Agent Larkin's welloiled machine has some some uh some kinks
in the machine. Yeah. Doyou think it's just a John Cusack nineties
thing? Because I feel like JohnCusack kind of thinks he's the smartest guy

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in the Roman. Vince Larkin doestoo, So maybe he just didn't consider
everything. Yeah he didn't. Yeah, they didn't. I didn't think these
clans cous he worked together and forma plan. It's like the ones in
the cages when one's out of thecages. That's ridiculous. Pinball wouldn't smallow
matches and then spray flammable substances ontoanother prisoner A fair assumption. I think

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that is a fair assumption. Ifeel like when you're when you're talking out
like I love to talk. Likewhenever I write a video for a film
theorist, my goal is to tryto answer any question that people will have
on YouTube. So anything that wouldcomplain about in the comment section, I
try to at least touch on inthe video. So I wonder if they
touched on that moment, Like whatif someone he's lit on fire from another

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prisoner, Like I think I thoughthat one happened, Like, I don't
think they think they brushed that oneoff. Or what if every prisoner in
the plane seems to have smuggled metalinto their bodies so they can pick their
handcuffs? Yeah, yeah, theyall What if they all pop their hands
again, cloes off at once andjust go three one, there's a flaw

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in the system. I had aquestion about that too, though, Mark,
because you know, we get this, get this very angry, you
know, um agent, it's Malloyright, No, No, he's very
angry at theind this minute. Doyou has he like figured out at the
end of this minute how his carsomehow ended up learning to fly? Like,

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has he even figured out how hiscar ended up a learner Rafiel,
because like he left in the chopperbefore Vince stole his car, Like,
do you think he's smart enough toput two and two together and figure out
what's happened? I think so,I think because he's saying like to like
cause back in the office before he'sseen that Larkin is there. So then

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Larkin pulls up in up Bulltozer.But it's a car. I mean,
I feel like the last the lasttime he saw his car, it was
by it was in the vicinity ofVince Wilkin, and now the two of
them are both here together again.Yeah, but I think he doesn't even
know what the word loquacious means.I'm not sure he's the sharpest, the
sharpest tool in the drawer. Iget the vibes that he does know it's

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Larkin at the end, because he'slike, when I'm done with you,
you're gonna like you know, you'reyou're done out of here. Yeah,
And so I think it. Also, Larkin Too's just sitting there smiling.
I know, I know Malloy doesn'tsee it, but I think he I
think he assumes it. I knowhe I know he doesn't understand loquacious,
but I think he gets this momentand how great does how great does car

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MENI do angry in this movie.He's just nothing but rage. He's a
rage monster in this film from goThat's why I asked for some coal MENI
minutes, because I mean, Idon't know about the rest of you all,
Like I don't are either of youtwo big Star Trek people. We
don't remember like from anything of themthis film basically, so yeah, this
is my co Meeni. I feellike most of the rest of the world,

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he's like your cutterly uncle from DeepSpace nine. I don't know that
Comeni. So it's just this guy. Whenever I think about him on Star
Trek, I think about Malloy justyelling at people all the time, just
being insufferable on this playing like hehas a go kart that says, you
know, as kicker as he's ridingaround the Enterprise for the real toxic environment

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to be like when you go ona mission for five years and Malloya is
on it. You're people who wenton that trip are not going to be
coming out of it like he's Yeah, he's the wrench that you throw into
thing to create chaos by Yeah,I didn't. Being on a bridge with
him for five years, we stillget He's not just angry, we get

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like a shocked many at the startof this. It's a kind of confuse.
There's still some anger in the confusionand the surprise though, just in
that expression with his word it orsomething elses on. I just I love
comed In so much that he's back. He's been missing from the action.
I felt like he's also feels likehe's maybe like I missed out on his

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fight. No, because he's quickto getting a gun and shooting, not
for the tires, for the pilothelmed for Swamthing, he's aiming for one
of our favorites of the film.Yeah. I when I watched this scene,
is it just me or does itseem like swan Thing is like he's
really pleased with himself. He's likeit almost seems like he has a grin
on his face and he's like,ah, goodbye. He does swam Thing.

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We've discovered is the MVP of thismovie. Not only is the is
he the pilot, but during thegunfight, he has a tractor and he
pulls the plane out so lands theplane before it smashes in the propane and
he takes the plane off in agigantic sandstorm like swamp Thing. I know
he gets you know, I know, the fire truck. It's starting to

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an aquarium. I mean, wedon't know what happens to him, but
I love him in this movie.Actually, I think swamp Thing would be
the number one con I would pickto be on a five year Star Trek
mission with. Like, I thinkswamp Thing would be a good time on
the Enterprise. I think, so, yeah, you can fly the ship
thing. But also, yeah,he's he's a fun time mc gainey looking
like this was in the two thousandand nine Star Trek. I mean,

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yeah, wonderful. I mean,who else, who else? Who of
anyone in this cast will be willbe be happy to be on a five
year mission with anyone not Larkin,not Poe, Maybe Poe. He would
just stay to himself through pull upsand make Ourgamini. Maybe baby E.
He seems like a nice guy,but then he is one of the worst,

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the worst. Yeah, first thing. Yeah, I mean you guys
have talked about this in the podcast. Yeah, he really seems like the
least of the least. It's it'sa total accident for what he got caught
thrown in jail for for Shure.Yeah, maybe it'll be fine. Not
Johnny twenty three No, no,no, Yeah. So I'm just gonna

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say, I'm gonna say swamp thing, that's only one I want. He's
gonna be first pick and definitely MVPof the plan between him and Pimble.
That's that's the two MVPs of gettinghis whole thing going. What about fell
Zone? Would we want fell Zoneon the on the Enterprise with us?
I think he'd be a good captain. He's got that kind of good like

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rough demeanor, but he still knowshow to he still has a few jokes.
I think he'd be all right.Yeah, yeah, I would.
I would make him in charge ofsecurity and just sas everybody. Yeah.
I think I've watched Lower Decks theanimated Star Trek Shure, because there's like
the head of security on that isa very fout zone type guy that works,

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that works. I can't remember hisname. All Right, The closest
I came to Star Trek is thatAvenue five show about the cruise liner spaceship
that goes off track. Yeah,that's a bunch of terrible people. Yeah,
that's what would happen if the calstof Cone gets put on a fucking
mission. Is you can't have anyfive? And I was just thinking about

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this, stay Roger and Jay,and I want to see what you think
about this. Like I think beforethis, I was so used to kind
of prison break movies that have theold trope of like Fled, where it
Laurence Fishburne and Stephen Baldwin handcuffed toeach other hiding running from the cops,
like very sort of on the ground. And I think that's why Conner still

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feels like such a breath of freshair where it's still a die hard scenario,
but it's a prison escape movie thatkind of avoids most of those tropes
of a prison escape movie. AndI think that's quite fresh. Like I
actually appreciate create that about con Errorin that it it's able to still be
a diehard scenario, but it alsofinds a new way to break people out

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of jail. I've kind of digthat about it. Yeah, I think
it helps that this is most prisonscat films, it's only a couple of
people escaping. This is a planeload. I mean, other than The
Great Escape is the other one wherelike a bunch of people escape and the
TV show prison Break I think liketwelve people got up at the end of
a series one. I mean,the big difference between this in this movie

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is like they announced to us rightaway, like we're in charge of the
plane now, like the criminals.And you know, I got the weirdest
thing that So I was rewatching thismovie, you know today before we get
on here, and like, isit just me or do you spend a
not insignificant part of this movie likerooting for the criminals, like I mean

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until they become sort of completely reprehensibleand odious. Um, but like at
the beginning of oh wow, that'spretty cool, like look what's happening now,
I mean, you know you dohave you know, you've got Poe
and caught in the middle of this, and I guess you're supposed to be
rooting for him, but at leastfor a while you're like, oh,
this is pretty good playing this.I don't want to see where this goes.

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So I think I think that's wherethat's where this movie kind of separates
itself. And also, you know, just the Cherry Bruckheimer shifts ness of
it all, that's a kind ofpoint in play hard. You all kind
of rooting for hands Graves sometimes becausehe is the most charismatic person on screen.
So that's true. Actually that's areally good analogy. But also with
this too, is like this issomehow a group of convicts who managed to

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bond together to complete a mission likepinball. It has the clipboard and he's
just counting people out there, like, oh, some people are dead,
so we got to swap over here. It's the most cordial coming together of
criminals I think I've ever seen.Like most of the time when it's criminals,
they all scatter, and so watchingthis, they all sort of work
together and they're like cool with SallyCann dance and swamp thing is talking about

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like he's dropping some weird phrases areall dance in the Sweetholme Alabama Garland Green
song about wearing people's hats like there'sa yeah, I think I think it's
kind of nineties though, isn't itwhere remember the professional how Gary Oldman just
show the scenery as Stansfeld and youjust like him, like, yeah,
everyone, I think the nineties wasloaded with like Underseiege, Tommy Lee Jone,

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like was loaded with Hans Greu baresquevillains and you enjoyed the ride for
them, elaborate schemes that you enjoywatching come to fruition or not quite come
to fruition. And you've been coveringSpeed a lot, and you've also covered
Roadhouse where I think Swayze, Keanuand Nicolas Cage. I know Swayze looks

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the part, Keianu can look thepart, Cage looks apart, but they're
quite unique action heroes for late eightiesnineties considering who was kind of running it,
Like, how do you like nowthat you're watching Speed with Keyana the
different kind of action hero even afterpoint Break and then seeing Cage during his
run from ninety six to ninety seven, do you remember feeling that like it
was kind of a change in theguard in the nineties of action stars.

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I'm trying to remember now what Ithought about seeing Nicholas Cage in this movie,
and I know you all have talkedabout this too, but like this
is I feel like this is youknow, like this this is not your
Hi, Nicolas Cage, you know. And by the way, I was
listening to a previous episode of yourpodcast where you're talking about like which Nicolas

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Cage person would you most stretch withtrust for the secret and no one said
Hi, And I feel like thatthat's that you missed out on that.
Yeah he's good, he's a gooddude. But yeah, so like this
is this is not the Nicolas Cagethat we had sort of come to expect
to see, and then he justturns into an action hero. So it's

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pretty wild. Yeah, it wasnew for me. I know, we've
talked about it a lot, butlike just watching Keanu and Speed and ninety
four felt different, Like his interactionswith Sondra Bullock on the bus as a
twelve year old watching Speed and growingup with Lethal Weapon, growing up with
with die Hard. I hadn't reallyseen that before, so I thought that
was kind of nice, like watchingthis different sort of breed of action star.

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Like I loved Keanu and Sondra Bullocktogether in Speed, Like their chemistry
is wonderful. Yeah, I think, I mean, I think once you
start with Bruce Willis and Diehard.That sort of starts this run of seemingly
less intimidate like the non Schwarzenegger actionstar. I don't know. I feel

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like Keanu Reeves and I feel likeSpeed is sort of the unfilmed sequel to
Point Break, and I mean likethe two of that, Like I feel
like Keianu Reeves and Speed is sortof channeling Johnny Utah from Quite Break.
Like the two of them are sortof very I think similar in terms of
there. They're just kind of thepresence that they bring on screen. Oh,

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I mean that's how That's how KeanuReeves got himself into Speed, like
they saw him on Point Baking,like, yeah, we want you.
I love Point Break one of thebest thumbs up I've ever seen in my
life. And Skydiving high five furtherthumbs up from t Tuo personally, Oh
we should, we should do thethumbs up draft. I know chaw On

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Fat has some good ones, DolphDolph Lungern has some good ones. Wayne's
Wayne Mike Myers has some good ones. In Wayne's world, he has the
double. I'm not a big fanof the double thumbs up, nor does
he does a double or just doit. He just does one thumbs up.
I don't like two. Never,never two thumbs up. Whenever people
do that, I feel like exceptfor Ebert, I feel like I feel

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like they get they make a lookwhen they put two thumbs up as opposed
to one. Try. Oh CJjust did it. It doesn't look good.
I digress. But also too,if you've been listening to the show
for a while, I'm very happyto see a corvette destroyed in this chapter.
I won't go further. I thinkthat's one of my top five favorite
moments of the movie is seeing thiscorvette get blown up, And not just

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because Malloy is such a maniac,but it's kind of fun watching that thing
fall from it and it doesn't explode. I think everything in the nineties exploded
except for this car because he hadto land perfectly in front of them.
But it just gets it gets fullydisassembles. The wheels will come up there.
It just falls apart into component pieces. Of course, as it goes

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through that shed, it has toflip over so it can land upside down.
Of course, that's what has tohappen. It's a perfect it's great.
One of my favorite parts of thisscene is at the very end when
Skip just sort of picks up arandom part from the car and it's just
sort of twirling it around like,oh, this is what's left. Yeah,
it's it's a light, it's anindicator. Maybe it's just yeah,

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just a side. This is done. This is he grabs for the disembodied
eyeball of the car. Yeah,it's And you're right, you were set,
you were saying before. Like likeJohn Cusacks look on his face as
he walks up, he kind ofreminds me like if you all remember from
Indian and Jones in the Last Crusade, Well, when the tank goes over
the cliff and they're all looking overthe cliff and then suddenly Harrison Ford just

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sort of like staggers up behind themand like, oh what are you guys
looking at? Like John Cusack walksup like, oh, you know,
I was actually here, I waspart of all of this and you guys
are just watching this thing happen.So does he think that Malloy thinks he
was in the car, Like Mallowie'supset because Larkin's dead. It's not just
the calory. I'm sure that's notwhat he's thinking. It's yeah, you

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can tell. I mean, Ilike how resigned cups like kids like,
yeah, it's you're right. Whenthis is over, I'm over too.
It's that's fair. It's I screwedup here. I tried, but this
is how it ended up. I'msorry, Mark. I was going to
ask you, since you're like rankingthings, how where does this movie fit
into your ranking? Power ranking offlying car movies? Oh gosh. I

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was trying to write down all theflying car movies I could think of,
and I got to this one.Harry Potter two Past five has Chitty Bang
Bang, And then I wrote downsome fast and furious movie because I haven't
seen all of them. Back toIt's Past five first and foremost. And
then you're gonna hate me all.I love Back to the Future, but

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I just and I think it isa legitimate classic, but I never think
about it, so I'm not.I think about Fast five a lot.
Yeah, I'm gonna do Furious seven. I'll do the fifth Element. Oh,
yeah, there you go. Ilove that. I mean, Spaceballs
has a flying Winnebago. Does thatcount? Sure? Blade Runner has some

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good flying cars. Back to theFuture. Back to Future is always number
one. IM gonna say Fast fiveand Fast seven because I'm just I'm working
on an assignment right now where Ihave to analyze almost every frame of the
Fast and Furious movies and they're justso beautiful that I'm gonna take Fast five
and Fast seven and then fifth Elementbecause there's a really good like there's an

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entire car chase with flying cars,and fifth element like somewhere at the bottom
of the list is like Attack ofthe Clones. Yeah, no, that's
like cars too. I think missilecan fly on that at something like listen,
I understand that this is my biggestproblem of flying cars in movies.
Okay, we've been waiting for this. There's obviously there's obviously a system to

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it. But every time you watchone of these flying car movies, like
there's no lanes, like how likeand like people, we're just gonna go
this way, Like why are therenot flying cars everywhere? Like how do
they establish lanes with no markers,no anything, there's no beacon. I
know they're flying, but you neversee like inside of one of these things,
like oh, you're out of you'reout of the road. Like it's

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just I'm gonna follow this guy.Like, that's how these movies feel.
I feel like there's no rhyme orreason to how flying cars work. Yeah,
in these movies, and it bothersme so dangerous enough when they're on
a road and you can see thatroad goes this way and then that way.
If you just take away, likeif you had a third dimension,
and then take away any kind ofdetiniations where it could be, it's chaos.

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It's madness. No thank you.I'm just as soon by that point
we've achieved Johnny Cab status and we'renot actually driving the car anymore. That's
that's the ideal. Yeah, amI old in that? I just don't
trust flying I don't trust self drivingcars yet. Oh no, you're not
old, Okay, I just Iknow they're out there. I'm not.

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I don't know. I don't trustit yet. I'm not an early adopter
of flying cars. How's that soundanything that means I haven't got to drive
somewhere? I'm you want you wantone of those West World taxicabs that just
you step, the door lifts up, you step in it, and it
takes you somewhere. Yeah, giveme those, or like Jurassic Park that

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didn't end well. Is this agreat film that was on a track?
I guess, but yeah, that'smy flying car. And listen, Harry
Potter two has a good one.I still feel for the tree, the
wamping Millo totally deserved to beat thecrap out of that thing. Yeah,
but yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonnago with you know what I'm gonna do
Furious seven because it blasts through twoskyscrapers and I'm gonna tell you, Oh

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wait, I gotta add Fast ninein there. I analyze that today and
as they are flying into space,I just laughed out loud for about five
seconds. And it wasn't it wasinvoluntary, It wasn't ironic. It just
made me so happy that Tyrese andLudacris were in space on top of a
cargo plane with Lucas Black from TokyoDrift. He's a pilot now and he's

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flying it, and then they're shootingthe space and then they use nas and
he steers in space. Yes inthe film where they say we just have
to the physics and it will work, and then that happens. And I
think in Furious seven they have thecar flying from building building, and then
later from the film, Paul Walkersays like come come fly, but nothing

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it. And in that same movie, Dwayne Johnson drives an ambulance off of
a bridge perfectly time to land ona drone. Yeah, I can tell
I've been missing out and sorry.Then Diesel uses NAS to shoot his charger
into the air so that he canput a sack of grenades onto gimand Hunt's

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helicopter. That happens, which thenGimon which then Dwayne Johnson shoots and the
helicopter blows up. So it's gotto be Furious seven because there's multiple flying
cars in it. Actually, toofast, too Furious as a good jump.
I think that's just the jump.That's no, that's no, it
just the bus flies and speed.It doesn't speed. I just want to

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put this out there. Too Fast, too Furious is my favorite of all
of them by far. And atthe end during that jump, they are
so injured that they can't even getout of the car, like they're about
to get killed by by the dudefrom Yellowstone Coal Houser. And so they're
about to get killed and Eva Mendezhas to save them. Like that's old
school, too Fast, That Ilove because they were they made the jump,

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but they were too hurt to getout. I just want to put
that out there. Do you havea favorite flying car film, Roger?
I mean, this one's up there, but because I haven't seen those fast
and furious movies, so I don'tknow if this I'm here for these minutes,
so I'm going to pick this onefor now. It has this.

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This clip also has I mean,speaking of the flying car, this clip,
you know you all were talking aboutum I think, and you're in
one of your previous episodes about greatNick Cage quote. Nick Cage quotes,
this is a great one. Inthis minute. On any other day,
this Matt seems strange. I wouldsay it was. This is probably the
strangest thing that he's seen today.If you look at the everything else he's

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seen, it's nothing overly strange.If given that they're on a plane full
of convicts, the flying car strikesme as the strangest thing he might come
across. He dropped a dude outof the wheel well of a plane.
Yeah. Through in contrast, likeI guess the day he's having if we're

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on a passenger flight, if you'reflying back from Florida from Disney and you
see a Corvette trailing from behind yourflight is gonna be super weird. Yeah,
but if you're on a plane that'sbeen taken over, people are that
on fire. You push the dudeout there where you're well, you had
to beat up some some drug dealers. John Cusack was there your favorite actor
from saying anything just pop up.You're you're running through gunfights, you're hunting

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for insulin shots, are beating upJohnny twenty three, a feigned criminal.
You're you're kind of manipulating cyrus thevirus. You're you're sasly winking at diamond
Dog that you know, you're hangingout in a restaurant about you a sandwich.
I feel like a flying car wouldbe normal that day. So so
it could still be the strangest thinghe's seen, but it's not actually that

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strange given the circumstances, I canget much that it's a much shorter way
to say what I just did.I appreciate that it's a condensed version of
how I got there, but Idon't I don't think it's that weird,
And I love the line. It'sa great it's a great lunch for the
films. Do you really think thatthat he thought that the post thought that

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he Bubba Babe, oh and bidshipcould get off the plane before it took
off. That's optimistic. He's like, maybe it's gonna He's gonna like to
his incident shot first and then itcomes coming. They'd be swimming up stream,
could be trying to get off ofthe what else went on? Yeah,
take off and go where yea resemblingcivilization. But he knows Larkin's down

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there, so he can like,hey, look it's me, I'm back,
I'm helping. But when he says, for any other day, this
might seem strange. I got thefeeling in a lot of other action films,
stupid or worse films, they wouldhave somehow got into the car.
Ho Abo Bishop would have got intothe car and then detached it from the

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plane and landed in a lake justbefore the plane fired. On Rennie Harlan
movie, they'd be taking off,Yeah, they would. They would.
They would zip line down it likea cliffhanger, get it, cut the
wire like, land perfectly on amountain and drive away. Yeah, Renny
Harlan's come out that happens and thenthe plane gets shot down. This is

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the stunt from Die Heard Too thatRennie Harland never got a chance to fill.
Instead of the the ejector seat,they had a car on there,
No with conter. Oh my gosh, what it could have should have?
Right? And I hate saying thisin movies, but those attack helicopters,
they were there before the plane hadtaken off. Couldn't they have maybe shot

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the wing? Yeah, all thelanding gear, all the pilot, numerous
things to show. They just landed, and those are like apaches. Yeah,
the planes just sat there, thepark in front of it. It's
land on that land on a wing. Actually, you don't really want to

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just you don't want to be theperson responsible for a down to helicopter like
that. That's millions of dollars.Yeah, so yeah, I feel like
they could have they could have aimed. If they'd shot the ground right in
front of it. It's just gonnaflow into a crater there it is.
Yeah, Yeah, this isn't aRenny Harlem movie or a plane on the

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wing. A helicopter lands on thewing of a plane. So there,
yet he wasn't there, Roger,stupid question you've watched you, You've been
you've been really going through Speed withyond Da Bond just some really eight plus
action in that movie. How doyou feel about the action scenes and this
because Simon West wasn't exactly an actionguy, even though it's a Bruckheimer picture,

(29:22):
Like, how do you feel aboutthe action in this movie? I
have to keep reminding myself because youknow, I was watching this chapter and
then I was watching the previous chapter. I have to keep reminding myself when
I watched this movie that it's nota Michael Baby movie, because that's what
it's this this movie is. Thismovie is so over the top, Like

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I can't even describe how extreme itis. I think it it bombards you
from the start and then you realizelike, oh, okay, that's what
we're getting ready for. That's whatthis movie is going to be about.
Um it's sort of the anti Speed, because Speed it's very much almost it's
almost like you're watching a documentary.Um, it's very realistic, at least

(30:06):
in terms of sort of the waythat it's filmed, whereas this movie is
the opposite of that. Yeah,yeah, it really is. Oh gosh,
no, if you took the it'sfast. It's a fantastic Sorry,
just just to finish that thought,because it's just this whole scene of the

(30:26):
the attack on the bone yard.Um, it's it's it's interesting if you
compare this. And I'm sorry,I don't I know that was in a
previous chapter, so we don't haveto get into it too much now.
But like I was watching a couplea little while ago. I was watching
Clear and Present Danger, which hasin a sense the same scene. It's
like, we're gonna trap these guys. We're gonna take out the front and

(30:48):
the back and then they're just gonnabe there in a killbox. And it's
very interesting watching that scene and watchingthis scene and you're like, oh,
so this scene is the one,like this movie is the one where everything
is like where we go to ludicrousspeed with everything. Same special effects coordinator
for both movies, by the way, Yeah, the same guy did the

(31:10):
explosions in Clearing Present Danger and conAir. So I wonder if you pitched
that, like, hey, y'all, I did this what we call a
clear Present Danger. I was SimonWest, Mike, you did Claron Present
Danger. Let's do that because that'syeah, that that scene in Clearing Present
Danger is one of my favorite actionscenes, like just keep moving, keep
moving. I love that. Yeah, that's not con error, but there

(31:30):
is the same propose. They wantto keep moving. He brings in the
the what what what do you callit? Like the tractor, No,
what's the word, the bulldozer toget people moving like so, yeah,
this clear and Present danger to ludicrousspeed and then it goes plaid and then
John Cusack comes up and hits acar. Did he do that on purpose?

(31:53):
In this chapter? It's unnecessary?I think I think so because it's
like empty space to the height ofthe tract. He could have easily gone
around it. Maybe he's not usedto driving this thing, like it's got
a big shovel in the front ofit, so he wasn't exactly being careful
not to hit things as he wasgoing through the boneyard. I hope that
was someone's truck on set and you'relike, that's an awesome truck. Can

(32:14):
we have it be in the scene, And then he just walks up and
blames it. In this chapter,I mean, in this chapter we get
a lot of Diamond Dog trying totake out the bulldozer by shooting at the
scoop like the first time. Obviouslyhe's not taking the same lessons as the
rest of the people, like justaim for the windows. I don't think
Bulldos has come with bulletproof glass.They definitely don't. Yeah, but he's

(32:39):
i mean being raves is having awonderful time. He shooting trucks. But
we we get che you're a Hallochapter. We lose a coun so you
got to help us determine what didWarlock do. We have Warlock's last stand.
He's he's not going out, well, it's like Jerry's and then he

(33:00):
has like a weird, an odddance when he gets taken out where like
he's got a jerky robot motion whenhe gets taken out. Yeah, I'm
glad you clarified who that was,because I was in a hard time figuring
that out. It's the accent.Is Richard el Duran. He's the guy
that pimbles set on fire. OhI'm sorry, I didn't realize that.

(33:21):
Yeah, he's people nicknamed him coaches. Yes, yes, okay, her
name is Warnock. We we don'tknow much about this guy other than he's
flammable. He has one of theworst deaths in the movie. I'm sorry,
like he deserved better. Yeah,because he just gets shot. Then
he does a very stunt man kindof meal and then he gets shot again.

(33:44):
Yeah, this is the guy andand he is as some man.
He's been in numerous films as astumpan. He just stunts in Conne for
instance, but he just stunts inMiles Attacks Escape from La A lot of
the cars from Conne scenes. We'rean Escape from La. Bad Boys.
Jim Stone Emolation Man, one ofmy favorites, and he's in Commando Fletch.

(34:06):
He's something Fletch and he's a bitplayer who was in the likes of
beast Master two, through the Bottleof Time, any of those beast Master
movies. Should I I you don'tknow, I haven't seen. He was
a ball room thug in Action Jacksonball Room Thug number three. It was
a prisoner in Tango in cash As. He's been a small roles in lots

(34:30):
of films. But we need toknow what did he do? What do
you think ballocked it? M Let'ssee, he's one of the worst of
the worst because he's on first.I feel like this movie since this movie
seems like it wants to traffic inevery stereotype possible. I'm going to put
him in one of those First Nationsresistance movements, and he has been,

(34:53):
you know, performing various acts ofterrorism, and he's eventually you know,
like he's in a he's in theFirst Nation's militia movement, and he's like
the last survivor of some sort ofhideous terrorist attack and is now going to
Supermax for that. Oh okay,where do think he got the name warlock
from? Probably when he went toprison the first time. They were like

(35:20):
play and I was going to saythat he's, you know, because he's
because he's a Native American. They'relike, oh, you must know magic,
so we're gonna call you warlock.Oh they gave it to him.
Yeah, that definitely seems like aprison nickname. It's a shame, but
I think you're probably right. Andwe do kind of lose two other cons

(35:43):
in this chapter in that there aretwo who we didn't see die but who
I've never seen again. Con numberone played by Ciaffalio, and Ramire is
played by Gilbert Rosales. We neversee them again. I've I've checked the
future scenes. None in them.I double checked with your your ceasing plan,

(36:07):
Mark, and you agreed when youmade that that we lose these two
here. So yeah, they've they'vegot I don't think they die, they
get left behind, plane takes offwithout them. Well they've fled. This
movie would show us if they died. Yeah, they just took off.
Maybe they were smart because Ramirez,that's a top one. I had to
get in touch with Ty Granderson Jones, the you know the actor from this

(36:29):
movie. Give his name because theyjust chucked him into this movie and then
you don't really know who he ison IMDb. It was one of the
more stressful data posts I've ever hadto put together because of Ramirez. But
Ty Granderson Jones came through for us, So yeah, he snuck away.
They were both present at the explosionthat they were walked away from. So

(36:50):
it's been since then and the takeoffthat they have disappeared. So that dude,
who I think this is in thenext chapter, who we just see
running across the desert. That's notRamirez. No, that's the small plane
pilot. Okay, that's what Ithought. So he's a different guy.
Is he gonna suffer a horrifying fate? Because there's seventy miles in the middle
of nowhere, and he's gonna bevery dehydrated, and he's been running for
a while. I feel like atsome point he's gonna like saw him down

(37:13):
and turn around and head back andcome to some sense. I will say,
though, in regards to movie characterswho are quite intelligent. He runs
up on him yelling, but thenhe just runs. He doesn't stop.
Yeah, yeah, and he doesn'tstop. He's running for a solid he's
been because remember the cops are tenfifteen minutes away. Yeah, so he

(37:35):
has been keeping a well, he'sa good runner, you think a good
thirty minutes at least. Yeah,he's just he's just been booking it into
the desert mid July day. That'stwo miles. The only has sixty eight
more to go. The fact thathe's not passed out yet says good things
about his cardio. But yeah,I feel like he's gonna see the I

(37:58):
think he's gonna see the plane takeoff. Let's flow over his head.
It s it's the next scene,all right. I hope he'll see that
and go ah, And they justput around and walk back into town.
When the explosions stop right when theexplosions stop, He's like, Okay,
maybe I can go back. Yeah, and then oh no, wait you
come back. He's just stranded becausethat's his truck that has just been hit

(38:20):
by the bulldozer. That's such ajerk move from Cusack. I really think
he hit somebody's car. I thinkso too, Yeah, because it's not
necessary. I mean, if youstolen hot word a bulldozer, wouldn't you
just drive it through every car youpossibly could? Yeah? I would retire
If I could steal a bulldozer andlead it through a boneyard attack with the

(38:42):
worst the worst, and keep severalsoldiers alive while having the satisfaction of destroying
a really mean guy's corvette, Iwould. I'd retire like that would be
my plaque, And yeah, Iwould. I would hit everything. Look
at the wreckage of the bonyard.Who cares if one more truck gets ding?
No one's gonna this thing on mydrug. They're looking at the smoldering

(39:06):
wreckage and everything else around them.Oh man, I got a con insurance.
I guess you're lucky. That's agood point, Jay, because that
could have exploded the mark. Haveyou done a detailed analysis of the route
that this hook that what used tobe attached to the post takes somehow would
end up at the shack. Because, like I did a podcast a couple
of months ago with the Midnight Boysabout the movie Anaconda, I feel like

(39:30):
this hook takes like some sort ofserpentine ninety degree right turn from wharing it
detaches from that concrete post like itis it is hunting is a Louez?
Yeah, Oh, it's a sentienthook. All right, I'll do that.

(39:51):
I'll make sure i'll have that databefore the end of the show.
We have eight episodes left. Iwill have a diagram. Because the way
that it go it was through thewall, is like the back of the
hook first, so there's nothing sendingit in another The rope should be that
it's following the rope. It's not. In order to pull the car out

(40:15):
of the shed, it has toenter from one side of the shed and
leaf from the other side of theshed. Let's talking about a lot of
Danny Drejoe Dian movies lately. That'sawesome. Yes, kan air Amy on
a conduct, Which one do youlike more? Oh? Wow, gosh,
I feel like you guys are puttingthem on the spot there you pay

(40:35):
you to cover one of them,and you know it's like Mark, I
have two children. This is likechoosing between my two favorite children. I
mean, this has a movie withJohn Malkovich getting his head crushed by hydraulic
press and the other one has awaterfall that flows backwards if you watch real
close. So they each have theirmoments. What would you do if John

(40:58):
Voight's character from Anaconda was Cyrus thevirus, like he you know Paul something
is Paul Serrano. I would sayI would pay good money to hear all
of John Malkovich's dialogue in this movie, spoken with a pseudo Paraguayan accent.

(41:21):
It's like, you'll know what myfather taught me nothing. They snakes don't
kill people. They don't kill youin a thousand ways. John Malkovich like,
I mean he did the accent.Rounders Big Jesus to put John Malkovich
Anaconda either, I mean that wouldwork. Yeah, I think I could

(41:45):
see him more in the um theBritish guy on the bob his name is
good from Titanic. I could seehim doing that role. Jonathan Price.
Yeah, it's it's not Jonathan Price. It's it's budget Jonathan Price. Uh
oh, oh, it's it's theIt's it's the guy from Jumanji. Yeah,

(42:08):
guy from Titanic. You're Jonathan Hi, thank you. Yes, I
really liked Jordan Hide. That's nodisrespect to her. But he's cheaper than
than I want to know that.I want another how much they get paid
because he's he's mister ism In thesame year, my five year old nephew

(42:31):
was like, I'm about to startlearning Titanic at skill was like, right,
it's all about mister Ismey. Sohe's like, let's forget the Iceberg.
The bad guy is mister Ismy.I mean, for what it's worth.
I don't want to get too faroff topic. But all the movies
were talking about, including this one, came out in the same year.
Wow, this is the nineteen ninetyseven is a fantastic year for movies.

(42:52):
Yeah, and terrible trips and moviesjust chaos on the like what breakdown event
Horizon, anak you don't want tobe traveling anywhere ninety seven two or Anaconda?
What a movie? He gets spitout that he winks you're comparing the

(43:13):
choice between told Aeron Ankunda to yourkids, your kids don't come up.
What in my comparison, I wouldsay, well, you put me in
a tough spot. You made mepick between the movie that you've invited me
on to talk about and one ofmy other favorite movies. I'm gonna need
you to I need you all torank something for me. I'm gonna I'm
gonna give you a ranking here realquick. So you got you have Connair

(43:37):
Cyrus the Virus, you have FaceOff. Oh gosh, what's what's the
villain's name, castor Troy. Yeah, you have Volcano and Dante's Peak the
Volcanos. You have Gary Oldman fromAir Force One, and then you have
Bruce Willis from The Jackal. Like, what's your favorite villain? Who's the

(44:00):
best action movie villain in ninety seven? But Patrick's Howards the bat guy and
gets their spawn The Jackal. I'veseen The Jackal and it's that's definitely not
going to even make the top halfof my list. That movie is slow
and ponderous, Blackett and his armblown off. C J. Craig just

(44:23):
that a ring The Jackal. Thereyou go, that's a good one.
Um I Mark, I have aconfession to you. I've never seen face
Off, so I'm just gonna leavethat one out. I would like you
should I think you'd like it.No, I know, I know that
I would. Um. Cyrus Virusis a strong contender. Um. Gary

(44:45):
Oldman's Gary Oldman's villain in Air Forceone is He's okay, He's not great.
He's like if you would put JohnMalkovich an Air Force one, Oh,
that would have been another great flyingpeople take a for the plane movie
an accent from him too, exactlyif yeah, if Teddy KGB took over

(45:07):
the plane in Air Force one,in my plane, I will make the
plane go that ever that I want. And then the oriole opens. There
you go, um, followed closelyby the volcano in Volcano, which I

(45:27):
think that movie is so bad,but I love it so much. Burnt
Off Volcano over Dante's Peak. I'veI tried watching Dante's Peak a couple of
months ago. I really tried,and then I got into it, and
like, after about twenty or twentyfive minutes, I was like, no,

(45:49):
this this movie is this movie isterrible. I'm not going to watch
this. One great scene of theold lady Sacrist myself the acid. Like
other than that forgettable film, I'mvolcano all the way. Mark, What
do you think is better people tryingto cross a lake full of acid and
not quite making it out or atransit worker attempting to save a passenger by

(46:10):
tossing him and therefore falling into apool of lava. Okay, well that's
that's to say, that's John CarrollLynch saving it and they got he's saving
is one of the helicopter pilots fromDeeply Sea. Oh, it's gotta be
volcano. I mean just listen whenyou're on the boat. It's kind of
you know, yeah, it's meltingthe boat blah blah blah. But just

(46:32):
going into the lava and just likefeeling the hot on the skin and the
melting. Yeah, I'm going volcano. Yeah, thanks for doing that.
And also Jonathan Price was the villainand Tomirow never dies in ninety seven.
Wow, yeah, I'm very proudof that fact. We tied it all
around. And so what's his name? Are we saying that the best villain

(46:57):
in ninety seven was Cyrus the virusI'm mean is definite pretty great performance.
I mean, yeah, mister Risme. Yeah you forget Mark. What about
the Icebergspec wasn't a villain. Itwas just that Billy Zane. Oh there
you go? Oh see you knowthe Ziger now? Yeah? I mean

(47:23):
Also, there's Gary Oldman in theFifth Element. Yeah. I was gonna
say, I don't even think theirfirst one is Gary Oldman's best villain performance
from nineteen ninety seven. Yeah.Oh that's tough. And there's regularota and
turbulence. What's there's so much airaction? Come on now? Anyway,
there's jet ski action in that.I haven't seen that movie yet, but

(47:49):
I have a running bet with myco host on Speed Movie Minute about who
has to do the notes when wedo our one off episode about speed to
Cruise Control. And it's gonna beAnd I'm hating myself right now. Jet
ski scenes are great. I gottatell you, no, Who's I'm gonna
go Gary Oldman from Fifth Element becausehe took the biggest chance. That's a

(48:13):
wild performance. I gotta get Bettysing no surprise to anyone. I love
the platonic perfect phones. Actually I'mtaking the volcano from volcano, That's what
I'm doing. I love literal timelike it's a very high concept movie.
Volcano in La Tommy Lee Jones gottagive everyone out of here. Let's go.

(48:37):
Well, I can't even do time. I can't do it, Tommy
Lee Jones at all. Older,Yeah, I can't even do it.
So how old the performance? Youneeds to be older, you need to
change smoke more. I'll get out, you know what by the next time
I recorded with y'all, I'm justgonna be I'm gonna go on like a
forty a day bender just be dehydrated. Don't do that. It's not worth

(48:58):
pat Yeah. Yeah, yeah,I won't do that because wait, oh
man, yeah, I won't askkind of a dark question about this chapter
that we're watching here. Yeah,because rewatching this movie when you don't know
what's happened after this point, Likeam I the only person who watches Garland
Green walk away with that baby dolland just think like he's just eating that

(49:22):
little girl? Everyone think, yeah, I thought he killed the girl because
like in the previous scene too,like you just see this this table and
like everything's broken. Yeah, likethe cup rocking. It's dark. It's
not like there's a there's like threeseconds of a little girl waving that saves
his arc the film In the nextscene, do you guys think or do

(49:44):
you have any knowledge that that wasperhaps a reshoot after the fact. I
don't think so. I mean we'vewe've discussed my personal theory now before that's
that's a head he's going into hispast. Little Go is the first person
he killed older this time, andhe left her alive and he found reformed
and as a good guy, whichmakes it okay that he's alive at the

(50:05):
end and free. It's all fine. It's a good be ending Green.
So I don't think it was areshoot. I think this is the plan
the whole time. This just weird, but he falls of putting like b
plot of Garland Green not eating agirl, which again he's not accountable,
but everyone was. I've just conclusiveword, but yes, he eats these

(50:28):
people because it's such a such acannibalistic kind of role. It feels like
a hannibal lector. I think youswayed me, Jay, Like I was
just looking around. I can't findanything about reshoots for this movie, and
I think it's in his head.I don't, do you think, Roger,

(50:49):
do you think this girl's there?I think it's too messed up at
this girl. It's because the wayit's shot and how weird it is,
like it's it's like very in yourface and shot differently. No one else
sees her. I think it's inhis head. So is this is this
a schizophren Does he actually get offthe plane? Are you implying that this

(51:13):
that this whole scene is a fantasy, or that he's just schizophrenic and he's
sitting down at a table talking tono one. The whole film is Jacob's
ladder on his on his deathbed.He's just imagining the whole face. Oh
okay, so this is a Hansolo type situation. Sure, why not?
I think yes, I think thatI think it's in his head because

(51:37):
that why would that the cartel justkilled everyone in town and his girls just
hanging out in a swimming pool.Yeah, and he just he found the
kendle. The kendo exists. Otherpeople see the kendo. I do like
he just walking slowly. We geta BUSHEMI shocked face and said out to
see the Malloy shocked face because he'slike witnessing the explosions in the wreckage as

(51:58):
well. And he puts a seatboaton. Yeah, it's safety conscious Garland
Green. Yeah, he's the firstone putting a seal on a man.
I love watching this corvette hit thattower and its beautiful. I just love
all of the work has been putin place, Like how integral that car

(52:21):
being destroyed is, and all thework has been put up to do it,
because like the we're tying the anchoraround it. That's something that annoys
Cyrus. Later on, he's likesomeone trying to rope around hot plane in
the next night coming up, sohe's this isn't just that we'll get to
blow up a car. This islike a plot driven construction block driven cart

(52:42):
driven car. Oh yeah, yeah, because because they're pretty lethal. One
they shoot that brick diamond dog andMalkovich's yeah, and Viking and Conrad they're
they're immediately oh there's we're tied downor we're tied up, and they're they're
let's spin around and duck a crouchand they're shooting straight away. Isn't a
second thought for those guys. Theydo a lot of damage to concrete and

(53:07):
a pretty share amount of time.I think it's very well made pillar.
I think I don't know the idealanchor. It seems like if they if
they didn't shoot, that thing wouldstill break up up. Do not hire
that contractor who made that I willsay, watching Fast nine today, whoever
built that tank needs to get likeI would hire because that thing explodes roads,

(53:28):
that rides down a hill, flipsover itself. It slides on the
top of its thing for about twomiles, and then it rolls eight times
and then it can still drive,and then it takes some missiles or missiles.
So yeah, I would hire thatperson to build a vehicle for me.
Just want to let anyone know that. So I'm given the sweat Bucket
Award for this chapter to Conrade,Oh, the board prisoner who shoot out,

(53:55):
because he's just he's sweated through hisHe's got a long sleeve T shirt
on. He sweaters through the armpitsand the front and the back. Like
Cage is glistening when Cage is pickingup baby. Oh, he's he's glistening
over the place. But Conrade hasgone through fabric. So I feel like
I gotta give it. So there'sso much it's like he's it's like he's
quaffed a very large drink and missedeverything. It's all gone down his front.

(54:17):
There's so much sweat, which thatcould have happened. He was missing
for a couple of scenes, somaybe he was just drunk. I'm sorry,
go for it. No good.Oh no, that's really solid armpits
sweat. Yeah, and you don'tsee much great armpits sweat and cinema,
and this is a plus armpit sweat. It's yeah, it's not an attractive

(54:37):
luck. That's not how you likeyour prisoners take its, definitely not.
I like them safely buckled, stowedaway. He does have some very thin
sweat though, on his chest,but it was hot out there, so
it looks like real stuff. Ithink it's like Raoul sweat that's gone down

(54:58):
the check. Yeah, it's thisisn't going for a run sweat. This
is just being hot from the neckup. I mean, Jay, I
hate to point this out because thisis rather odious, but Johnny twenty three
is glistening pretty well in this chapteras well. That's sweat going. Yeah,
yeah, you're right, he is. He's not a very active role

(55:19):
in this. In this scene,he's kind of he's unconscious. I thought
we've given it to him a coupleof times in the past. That's that's
residual sweat from previous scenes. ICotrade's earning his sweat. In this chapter,
I'm adding new rules to the sweating. There's a lot of sweat on
tray. Well, that's a lotof sweat on I didn't consider him.
That's like a sponge bat. Youknow. We've it's toe debates. If

(55:45):
you want pray can take it.He takes a kick to the chest from
a handcuff lady in this as well. So do we go for the armpit
sweat or do we go for thejust full body sweat? Roger you get
to pick. I just wanted tomake sure we were being comprehensive. But
I'm happy to give it to whoyou said. Jay had it yet either.

(56:07):
He's a newcomer to the Sweatbucket Award. This is one of the more
contentious sweat Bucket awards we've ever had. Would be the only contentious because it's
always just been Babio. Oh,that's it. That's This is the end
of Babio's diabetic plight. He hasthe incidents, he's injected it. All

(56:29):
his problems are over. Nothing badwill happen to Babio ever again in this
film for a matter of seconds,for one more chapter, I think,
yeah, yeah, he doesn't goout of the next chapter. Well,
it's so amazing watching him. I'msure you've talked about this in morevious minutes.
But like that, this is MikeL. T. Williamson. Yeah,

(56:51):
um, like he uh you know, I mean I think about him
in a lot of other things.And he looks he looks really young in
this movie. Baby ol. Yeah, that's that's the name. What does
that I got his nickname? Yebaby face? Wow, Well he's forty.

(57:13):
He was forty when he when thiswas released one fifty seven. He
does not look forty, so yeah, that's gonna be baby oh baby he
was. Hey, he was myage exactly when they made this. There
we go. Yeah, yes,that could have been an extra in this
movie. What part would you liketo play? Mark? Oh, give

(57:37):
me like Viking? That wrong?Was like, oh yeah, I would
gladly take Viking or Malloy just likethat guy. And why is he?
Why who's this fifteen year old?And why is he screaming at John John
Cusack. You're not an extra,dam though, Mark. You gotta just
kind of slides into one of thesescenes, number one, number one.

(58:04):
I'm a little better to this day. I mean, when didn't get a
name left behind, not even adeath scene. Let's do it. I'm
gonna be Ramirez. There we go, so you and I both get left
in the scene. Ah hey,we just just cut to us later on
hanging out at a burger joint.Where are we Earth? Williamson was in

(58:29):
Free Willie one and two. It'sletting everyone know he was Dwight. But
the guy uber one Kyle was everything. He was the thing in the nineteen
ninety four Fantastic Four film The RogerColeman one, Oh dear that no one
talks about. Why would they?It's terrible. That One's that always fun?

(58:52):
Have you watched it? No,I just hit bad things like I
can't say it's terrible. That's justme dealing with Peop's opinions. It just
sounds. I mean, it's aCorman production of Fantastic Four. It's not.
I guess in context, it's itmakes a little bit of sense,
so I guess it's by by Cormanstandards, it's, oh, you know,

(59:14):
by Corman standards, it's subpar.It's no Carnosaur. Why does that
franchise always get turned into terrible movies? Is Marvel ever going to just like
reclaim it and make a good movieout of it. Every film they've made
has been to keep the rights.It's been made out of necessity. Oh
Fox, just wet. We can'tlose. This is a real windful if

(59:37):
it's these terrible films we keep making. I had to watch the Fantastic Four
one and two again for Chris Evans. I had to go through all the
Chris movies and that there's really nothinghappens in those movies. And the first
one they just surround him and thenit's over and to Tim's story, man,

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we'll can I tell you? Andthen the second one one really nothing
happens. It's just they're just theyexist, and they're bright colored and they
made a lot of money. It'sinteresting. And then the other one Wolf
poor chronicle kid, Josh Trank.Yeah, it's I mean, I assume

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FuG He's gonna do something better withit. They keep on saying something's happening.
What if John Voight, with hisaccent from Anaconda, played doctor Doom.
Oh you can say he played theInmile woman. Okay, yeah,
I can see that the thing wouldwork very well. Doctor Doom supposed to

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have that, like doctor D'm supposedto have an Eastern European accent, but
it's like a fool Paraguayan. Iwould pay. I'd pay to see it.
Any final thoughts about the chapter,Jay or Roger, I've been through
my nighte you got anything'll wright oranything? The film as a whole,

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well, I mean the film isa ohoh gosh, where do we start?
Um? This movie? It's itIt's a great I mean it's everything
in this movie is so outsized,but yet it tries to, like it
tries to keep making sense, likeyeah, try so hard. Like if

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you if you write down what happensin this movie, like if you just
write, like if I read theWikipedia plot summary of this movie and be
like uh huh huh okay, yeahhuh, and then when you watch it,
you're like, oh my god,what is happening right now? So
it's really you know, I thinkSimon Simon West deserves a lot of credit
for taking this this uh, prettybasic plot and turning it into this just

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bag of cats. Like this thismovie is crazy and I love it.
The fact that he's so inexperienced andit works. It's pretty cool, like
this is a guy who came frommusic videos and commercials and then he's I
mean, he has the Bruckheimer tutelage, but it's still with all these actors
to just come through and become thismovie, it says something I guess,

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didn't Jay You said that Simon wesseidhe was more of a manager, right,
So it seems like he really didn'tmanage this set well. He's more
of a like a problem solving directorthan bringing up like an altar. I
mean, it's kind of like notto call back too much to me,
but you know, like if ifRowdy Harrington had ever been trusted with another
movie after Roadhouse, if they hadsaid, you know, like here,

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Rowdy, here's fifty million dollars,see what you can do with that,
he might have made this movie too. It's that level of inexperience. I
think you have to hire amazing actorsand a crew and then they just sort
of you just kind of step backand say like, okay, let's see
what happens now. Yeah, there'sdefinitely some Roadhouse energy in this movie.

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Sunshine park Or as as Milloy,can we do something to promote both our
shows? Ro want, I wantyou to do a nineteen ninety four and
nineteen ninety seven action movie draft.You can have five movies per team.
You actually have to have like twoor three per year. Like you just
have to split it up. Youcan't just do like five ninety four.

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You can have you can have anice split. But you can pick action
films from ninety four and ninety seven, and so, Roger, since you're
the guests, I'll let you pick. So you can have any movie from
ninety four ninety seven. Okay,sorry, I just need to yeah,
I just need to need to getmy prepare my draft board. UM action

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movies from nineteen ninety four or nineteenninety seven. All right, with the
first pick, I know this isgonna sound like a Homer pick. I'm
gonna pick Speed. I think thatmovie is an impeachabois an action movie.
Heck, yeah, I'll take TrueLives. I'll stick with ninety four as
well. That's against a James Camerongoing. All right, that's a strong

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pick. Let's see UM action moviesfrom nineteen ninety seven or nineteen ninety four.
I'll take Starship Troopers. That's stilla yeah. There it is classic.

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All right, I'm gonna I'm getsabout the ninety four pick. I'll
take Leon Professional. I just guess. So we've talked to Gary Oldman before.
It's not a huge action film,but there are some in there.
Like I said, I've not seena lot of ninety fur action films.
I haven't seen Clear in Present Danger, like Jack Ryan, one of these
favorite franchise. I think that's notThat's not in nineteen ninety four movie,

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is it? Is it not?Yeah? Clear Present Danger. I'm not
I'm not taking that. Yeah,ninety four Clearon Present Danger. That'll be
my third pick down. I feellike I need to pick a respectable movie.
I need to think about ninety seven. Uh, what's my tap gun?
I had to open there we goninety seven. I gotta take the

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Lost worl Durrassic Park. You know, we go take the Lost Drassic Park.
It's got dinosaurs in it. I'mgonna take another movie from nineteen ninety
seven. I'm gonna take Batman andRobin Yeah. Oh damn, I really
wanted to pick that one. I'mgonna be talking about the soundtrack of that
movie soon with Billy Patterson. I'mexcited. So my two they were picking

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four films total five Sorry? Ohokay, um umoys, the terrible film
Conn are still on the board.Yeah you took Speed. I'll take Conn,
all right. And how many picksdo I have left? Just one?
Yeah? Wow, there's so many. Um, let's see. I'm

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gonna pick from my last picks.Where was it? S? Sorry about
that. I'm gonna pick because Ithink, you know, to have a
well rounded variety. I'm gonna pickthe River Wild What. That's a fun
That's a good ninety four flick.That's what I haven't seen, but we'll

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be covering it on Deep with cat some point soon. We got guess
I am a big fan of whitewater rafting, so that's that's a good
pick. I'm gonna enter the fray. I've decided it. I'm gonna take
what's left. If that's okay withy'all. Okay, gets though, Mark,
take your whole team. Then I'lltake one from what's left. No,

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no, you no, no,you got it, Jake, Okay.
Men in Black a black perfect?Is that an action film? Yes?
I hope it's come up on alist of action films from like,
that's definitely an action movie. Okay, I'll take No Escape from ninety four.
I'll Drive from ninety seven. Let'ssee, I will do street Fighter

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from ninety four. I wrote areally fun article about it. Y'all should
read it on Rotten Tomatoes. I'vebeen Mark Hoffmeyer Street Fighter Rotten Tomatoes.
It'll change your life. Let's seeI will do Oh gosh, I'm gonna
I'm just gonna try to lose asmuch as possible here see breakdowns more of

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a thriller I have. I alreadyforgot what I picked No Escape, Drive,
and street Fighter? Can I takethe Crow? Is that an action
film? Yeah? That's actually yeah, all right, and then I gotta
take a ninety seven, So Iwill pick Let's see. I like Drive.
That's a good one. I'll beI'll just pick fast. I'll do

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Breakdown. It's a thriller, butI love it, so I'm gonna take
a breakdown any I counts. I'veonly seen two of your films. I'm
gonna lose. You left the JamesBond film on the board. Did you
do that on perpe Us The TomorrowNever Dies? Yeah, that's Michelle yos
in it all right, I'll dothat. Tomorrow Never Dies, Michelle Yo

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instead of was, I'm gonna takeout Breakdown. So I have no Escape
Drive, Street Fighter, The Crow, and Tomorrow Never Dies. I'm done.
I like losing, though polls.I think you'd have a good shot
with that team. What did therest of us pick? I can't even
remember because you're Roger. You haveSpeed Starship Troopers, Crerent, Pleasant,

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Danger Batman, Robin the wa TheRiver, Wild Jay has True Lise Leon,
The Lost World, Drassic Park,Conyer, and none in black.
I have no Escape Drive, StreetFighter, The Crow, and Tomrono Never
Dies. My alternates were The Masqueand Please kind of me seven. So
I'm glad I have to get down. I'm very happy about No Escape.
I just bought the special edition ofit. I haven't watched it since the

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nineties, but I just bought afancy edition and I bought Drive to the
MVD. It's Mark Dacascus and KadeemHardison and he's a super Soldier, so
let's go change your life. Wellif that, Roger, thank you for
joining us. Anything you want topromote before we get out here? Sure,
well, thank you again. Iappreciate coming on talking about one of

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my favorite movies. If you allwould like to listen to more of me,
I'm sorry that my wife Marcy wasn'there. She's usually my partner in
crime, but she's way too classyfor this movie. So you could go
listen to us in our freshman effortRoadhouse Minute, where we break down the
eighty nine action classic Roadhouse one minutea time. Or if you want to

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listen to a podcast that other peopleactually listen to, you can go listen
to the Twelve Days of White Christmasthat we put out last winter. Somehow
that podcast, in the course oftwelve episodes, has already gone zoomed past
all of the downloads of Roadhouse Minute, like one hundred and fourteen episodes of
Roadhouse Minutes. So I don't knowwhat that means. I've listened to her

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husbandute, but not today as aChristmas I haven't seen I haven't seen nothing.
Well, it's a great idea,though it's very condensed. It's a
class sick, straight classic, veryeasy easily to digest. Like I feel
like most of these popular podcast likereally popular podcasts, like six, seven,
eight, ten episodes, right,like many shows so it makes sense.
We enjoy it. It's a familyit's a family tradition. We watch

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it every Christmas anyway, so gettinga chance to talk about it was fun.
Um. We If you want tolisten to just me and my partner
Bentley Michaels, you can go andlisten to us on Speed Movie Minute,
which I guess by the time thisepisode comes out will still probably be coming
out. And yeah, that's that'swhere I am, and you can find

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us on Well. I don't reallyhave a lot of social media presence,
so just go download those podcasts fromwhere all good podcasts can be found.
Awesome, cha are you? Yeah, let's see Deep Blue Sea the podcast.
Go listen to that. We're stillchurning out Deep Blue scenes and the
Lighthouse episode that's always a good oneto listen to that you just recorded.

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And then and I would listen tomovies all the flakes. I'm number two
in Senegal right now. I wasjust number two in Russia, so that's
kind of fun. Holding onto thosefunkies, but those cool spots, and
then let's see I got I shouldhave a couple of videos for so go
to fandom typing by the numbers,I should have some episodes up there,
and I just wrote it. Soif you go to Style Theory on YouTube,
look up episode about big hats.And I wrote a Style Theory episode

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about big hats and the psychology behindthem. And I really enjoyed it.
And it's actually like you'll learn alot about sports fans and the psychology of
sports fans in it. So Iwrote, you know, it was fun,
So go Style Theory, Markoffmeyer,check out Noggin Boss or like large
hat episode. It's it's a goodI'm really enjoyed writing that. When you
posted about that, I thought itwas in response to the lady at the
oscars with that giant kind of headdressthing that was blocking the view of three

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rows behind her. Oh, donecompletely separately from that. No, yeah,
this is a This is a MattMatt Pat just started a new channel
called Style Theory and they're building outepisodes, and so they were at they
were asking about what the pick.So there's this new thing called Noggin Boss,
these giant hats, and so Iwrote an episode about that. But

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it's cool. I got to likedelve dive into the psychology of sports fans,
and so I think you'll learn alot if you listen to it.
Nice. I have nothing more toadd to that, really, right,
let me see the podcast. Ithink I'll be back on Movie Rob minutes
soon to close out when Harry metSally and kick off die Hard two very
soon, so look out for meover there. But as oh, I

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had one one note actually at thescore before they take off in this chapter
is nuts because really upbeat and plinkyplum keith and completely different than I think
we've heard before in the whole film. So I had to It's like a
very like antick pleased to kind ofsee at school going on. It's just
don't any sense, I don't knowwhat's going on by love, all right,
So that would do for chapter thirtytwo of Connor. Thank you once
again to our guess, Roger Whister. Thanks again so much for Connor.

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I have been Jake Clewett and I'mmarker back next week or the Bunny gets
it sigh. Anara