Chapter 36 - Party Cycle

Jay and Mark are joined by Dylan Fields (@manilovefilms on Twitter) to discuss the chapter in which the Jailbird lands on the Las Vegas strip. In this episode, they also talk about comparative destruction
moving casinos, and unique vehicle action scenes

Episode Transcript

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Bunny Down Book, Bunny Down,The Bunny Banny Back in the Box.

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Hello, when welcome to carn Eraof the podcast. I am Mark Hole
Wide World Halfmyer, and I amJa Magic Propeller Kluet to welcome you aboard
can of the podcast. For chapterthirty six. On this show, Mark
and I are flying away through Corneseene by sitting this wonderful guests. This
is chapter thirty six. What happensin down to thirty six O'Connell at well.
As the jailbird descends, Garland treatseveryone to be soothing rendition that he's

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got the whole world in his hands. Markin issues a demand for anyone with
medical skills to be on hand upontheir arrival, and the plane takes out
the Hot Rock Cafe sign before landingon the strip and heading straight for the
Sands Swamp. Thing exits the cockpitflew my Poe, who was apprehended by
an ow conscious Iris. They areseparated by convenient asking propeller blade for the
plane comes to a halt the slotmachines. We had a guest to join

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us for this episode. I joinus, say, is someone who wouldn't
directly cause this podcast, I wouldsay, because he founded the large association
movie blogs, the LAMB, whichI became a part of. He then
hosted The Lamb Cast, which Ibecame a part of and took over and
something then did deeply see the podcastFunny Mark and then on other podcast.
So without him, this show wouldnot exist. So everyone has Dylan Fields

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to blame. Dylan, welcome tothe show. Why, thank you very
much? What half I wrote questionhow many podcasts have you created from from
the Lamb? Everyone who's been onthe Lamb Cast and started their own show,
It's a great community. I wasjust thinking about what happened if the
Lamb wouldn't be in my life likeI wouldn't, I wouldn't know a bunch
of really cool people like Likewise,it served its purpose as far as that

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goes, I mean not so muchanymore, but because I didn't get everyone's
off of Facebook. But half myFacebook friends were Lamb people at one point,
and so many people that I countas friends have never met for over
a decade, including Jay There wego. Yes. One place that you

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did meet a lot of those friendswas at one of the first LAMB meetups
in Vegas in Las Vegas. Andthat's kind of why with what you want
today's chapter, because you're a bigVegas guy, and wouldn't you know that's
where the plane has just landed.Well, it does kind of. Vegas
is trouble, y'all. I've beenone time. Geography is trouble for the

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makers of Conair. But we cando that later. I tried to make
a map of Vegas. I didon the same recently on Twitter, Chase
Rano asked, like, what's yourfavorite trope in an action film? And
my favorite trope in an action filmhappens in this chapter when pose thing hitting
the salt machines isn't looking cyrus.The virus could just shoot him done,

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but instead he goes, you knowwhat, the last thing your daughter's gonna
like, you know, witness thissmells my breath and it's just like before
I kill you, stop hyping upthe protagonist. Like Judgment Night, Ameliosa
is getting destroyed by Dennis Learry andDennis Larry's like, I'm gonna go to
your house and kill your family andAmelia is like, no, you're not.

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Then he goes Amelia and takes outDennis Leary again. So many movies
like you know what, I'm gonnakill you. Then I'm gonna kill that
little dog ears and then the guy'slike no. So I love that trope
where the antagonist has the protagonist deadto rights, but then they threaten their
a family member or animal, andthen the protagonist rallies like the ultimate warrior

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because to the protagonist, when they'redead, they will know. It's just
like guys like like, I feellike it's it's actually necessary. In this
film, though, there's a lotlike Cyrus likes to think of himself as
being this ready smart guy, rereadyplanned out. But the last you insults
and come back his head have beenawful. The last thing he said was

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just was like what they get hitsin the face by a gun and looks
out and he had the pretty cleverright, No, it's clever, like
they're not good comeback. So he'sgone back to his pre prepared line of
the last thing she'll smell as mystinking breath. That's he's trying to flaw
back any kind of dignity and intelligencethrough all of his cronies who may have

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been drifting away from him because he'sbad at comebacks. Did he practice that
in the mirror. This is oneof the ones. He's out there bad.
What do you think? What aresome other lines? Do you think
he workshopped? Should that Cyrus workshop? I have no idea. I'm curious
though. Jay just mentioned all hiscronies. They weren't present to hear this
line. So who's he really gettingthe dignity back from? Guys? Guys?

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Did you hear that? No,the plane was crashing into a Las
Vegas casino. Isn't Johnny twenty threeright there? Because he's Cyrus? Wake
up this this whole chapter, he'she's nearby. He does. He still
has arms into the chapter, Okay, which I had always thought that that
blade spinning through the fuselage look offhis arm for next week, But it

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doesn't because it still intact or hasn'tquite severed. Yeah, I don't know,
but it still appears to be intacted. Me. I'll see him.
A few tendons are hanging on.Yeah, you know my movies when someone
gets her head cut off and ithangs on for five seconds and then it
falls off. That's the same thingwith a vast same thing with his arms.
Yeah, Toby Toby Stevens in severance, we wait, whatever's Toby Stevens

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and several in severance he has notnot the TV show of the film with
Danny Dyer, and there's there's awhole running thing where he has a theory
that if your head gets cut off, it's still alive, like seven seconds
and he gets his head cut off, and he may like a yeah,
I was right, A little grinof what he dies. That's good to
know. I mean reference, Iguess that's making lemon out of you know,

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when life hand you a lemon,you make lemonade. I guess that's
when at you you just tell everyoneyou're right. Wow. Yeah, it's
like the Omega thirteen. But youknow, for for head it's getting chopped
off kind of, I just decide, I guess you're right. My stinking
breath. I wonder if he's likemy putrid breath. No, that's no,

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that's too much my odious breath.Nah. Because he had like the
you know, all these like ultimatumsof like the suppose the flies on my
rutting tolls or something. He's notearly in the film. He's got a
bunch of these things. He's gotsafe up. I love that he's become

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so much more fallible in the lastfew chapters, getting knocked out, saying
cheesy lines like I love it.It's opportunities I just take care of.
Like, but I think in theaction world universe killers, it's physically impossible
for villains to kill the hero untilthey've monologue or said hey you or lectured

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them before they killed them. Ithink, like Last Action Hero, there's
just in this world, there's justa trope where you can't kill the protagonist
until you've said a speech or threatenedhim. You can't just shoot him in
the back of the head. Yeah, that's right. Has that ever happened
in a movie where a hero hasgotten just wiped out and you're like,

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yeah, wait, well isn't thatkind of an action movie? But like
yeah, actually, like executive isright. Oh yeah, yeah, that
was a good one. They alwaysfeels like going against the trope when it
happens where it's like a surprise,it's a jump scare, where it's making
a parody. I mean, there'sjust not a lot of action movies where

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the protagonist is killed towards the endof even the beginning, unless it's some
kind of flashback situation. So yeah, the few times where it does happen
without well, where it does happenat all is one thing, And where
it happens without some kind of madicmonologue, it's probably very very very few

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and far between. Like the inthe inverse is deeply See, where the
hero gets the monologue and it getstaken up by the villain the shock.
WHOA, that's Jay than you havebeen your high school book. Really,
I thought the sharks were the heroesof T Blue. I mean, yeah,
they are the person I mean we'veallgued that. Yeah, because they're

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not. They haven't done anything wrong. There's like, let me out of
here, y'all. Yeah, youmade us. It's the woful. You
made me a genius. You didthis to me. We're gonna from you.
Is now a good time for meto back up just a second.
I have I have an admission tomake sure you hate Konna. Well that's

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a different admission. Um No,I have never gotten into, or listened
or participated in a by the minuteor chapter podcast. Sure, so I'm
wondering where you're pretty far into thisone. I assume there's approximately forty chapters
of this That's how we broke itdown. There's like eighteen on the DVD,

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but that wasn't enough. Forty timesthat was too many soda outside of
twenty three, outside of masochism,because you love torturing yourselves by frame by
frame breakdowns. What what what arewe going for here? Well? Listen.
The one thing I love about DeepBlue Sy and con Ara is I've
talked to people I would never wouldhave met ever before. And also I

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think there's a skill in being ableto stretch out a minute or three minutes
into an hour. I think there'sorals like you know, like I think
you you learn how to challenge.Yeah, I think you you learn how
to talk, you learn how toend. Then you learn how to like
dig into the chapter deeper to lookfor things. You learn a lot about
the movie because normally, typically whenyou do these things, you don't watch.
When you watch a movie, youjust take notes and you enjoy it.

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But when you do a minute byminute, you're like, I need
content. So you look at theminiatures, Like right now they're selling the
miniatures online for like three thousand dollars, three hundred dollars, Like a bunch
of different props you can buy fromKanye like reading about the special effects,
the actors. It's been fun.Like I think it. I think it
challenges you to sort of, yeah, come up with something, which I

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like. I like the challenge ofit forty too much. But we're in
it, so we're gonna finish.It's too late now, but okay,
I mean, I don't know.With Jay, we've met really cool people
and we've had some fun of conversations, so you know, I think that's
why I think. I think thisis kind of just I like the challenge,
actually, I really do. Yeah. We started with Deeps and that's
just the film that Mark and Iboth love and both kind of found out

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each of them loved and thought,hey, let's just talk about DeepC every
week for thirty five straight weeks.It was easy because we love we love
it, and then it's a secondone to do that and the film let's
do that, and let's just talkabout films similar to that. It's just
we'd like talking about these films welike doing. If anything, doing Corner
has shown us as we missed aboutDeeply se Yeah, it has come up
just a bit and in the lastten minutes or so. Yeah, oh

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no, we definitely missed deep Lucy. But listen, we're almost there,
so we accepted the challenge. Yougotta step up and deliver people listen to
this, So it's it's cool,and I mean blame the stars. Now,
what percentage of your for lack ofa better term, content would you
say is mockery versus earnest love.I don't do much mockery. I don't

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like is that as possible? Mockeryis is just that's not who I am,
and I just I'm not I'm nota good mocker. Is that not
what we were doing by by dissectinguh Cyrus's speech? Is that not?
Think it's more I think that's mockery. Well, we've gotten to know the
character, so I think we're exploringhim. I don't think we're locking the

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choices. Over the course of this, of this exploration into the film,
we've kind of found out he's notthe big intelligent guy that he goes out
to be. I always thought,yeah, he's just like one of those
extra small villains, but no,he's not. He has he's bad at
comebacks. So that's it's a critiqueAnd I have no time for irony.
I don't I don't want to watchanything. Ironically, I don't have any

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time. Maybe it's the maybe it'smaybe it's my own perception, or maybe
it's just the film's chosen. Butthey're the kind of films I think you
have to kind of lovingly laugh at. Is that a fair assessment. No,
I think peoplelue seas an actual goodfilm. I think this, for
what it is is a really goodaction film. You have to look him

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in the in the context like Idon't think everything should be looked at as
you know, this was meant tobe a big summer tent pole action film,
and so I look at it likethat, like I'm not this isn't
two thousand and one, or youknow, I'm not treating this as importantly
as like an inception. But Imean has like Nicolas Cage, the choices
he made, like I like allthese choices, and like Deep Blue Sea,

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I think is a very effective eachfeature that features special effects from Balt
Conti and Jim Cunningham, a guywho's blown up everything on screen to the
all the explosions. Renny Harland killspeople so hard. So I think it's
just fun to talk about and likeI don't know, for me, there's
so much out there already about thegreats that I think it's more fun to
talk about Deep Blue, CY twoand three and Kanye or bring something new

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into the equation that people want tohear about. So that's well, that's
why I dig it like a littleback to the future. But there's already
like eight of those shows, soand that's bast feats a minute. But
Deep with C two, I feellike it was a film where there was
a little bit more mockery mockery,but we had a bit more fun to
talk about it because that was it'sa lower budget film and they did what
the coup with the budget, butsome of the choices they made were a
little silly, and so we hada little bit more fun with it.

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That's kind of the middle ground DeepSee. I think I agree with Mark
that these are incredible films that Ijust enjoy every every moment of and we
praise them. We like to praisethem, and some of our guests have
disliked them. T J. Valentineit's not a fan of either of these
films, and waited until it wason the show as he hated both of
these films. He and his familywalked out of Deeply See when Sam Jackson

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got killed there for Sam Jackson film. He died, so they left.
Well that's it, that's what Ithink. That's what. Yeah, I'm
done. Yeah, he's Yeah.We we messionally like these films. So
you would not place either of thosefilms in the same bucket as a Fast

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five. I mean, what doyou mean, I don't know just what
five in for you? I meana ridiculous action movie. Yeah, I
mean, but but ricks is butfun and great. Yes, yes,
that's what we would put it inthe same bucket as I would say,
con Air, that's Fast five.I mean you can't say fast date and

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you can't say fast one. Idon't think. I think, uh,
just totally they It doesn't drive witheither of those extremes. Maybe maybe a
four or a five. It's inthe same ballpark, Yeah, I think
so, I think same bucket.A bus explodes, vins ripped out from

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jail, they're on the run,they're chased by the cops on a chase
scene at the end, like thisone in a fire truck. I think
I just compartmentalize action movies into differentbuckets where I can enjoy them equally,
but I respect them differently, ifthat makes sense. What are some examples

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of that? Okay, well,like my my pinnacle of action movies outside
of a pretty standard Diehard is anotherMcTiernan is Predator. I would put Predator
as one of the all time bestWhat's that you knew I was going to
be? And that as a filmthat I could not place in the same

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bucket mentally as a Deep Blue Sea, even though you might draw several parallels,
I think one is just on awhole different level in terms of skill
and effectiveness. I feel like youcould quite easily and more some decisions,
in part like how silly some ofthe characters come off, like Jesse venture

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is they don't. There's lots oflooking into the jungle. I mean,
yes, I think you could findstuff, but I think it's a lot
easier to like conne I I isall time ridiculous. For me, It's
it's just and it's not to disparagethe skill that goes into it, especially

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when you're talking about things like miniatures. I love that kind of work,
but you can't watch it with halfa brain turned on because there's so much
that wants to beat you over thehead with ridiculousness. We can't watch kanyear
with half a brain, with halfa brain with more than half a brain

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turned on. Otherwise you're just going, well, that doesn't make sense or
that, but like what's happening therewhen you watch these movies, though,
like I don't look at it aslike this wouldn't happen in our world,
Like this is the con Air world. This happens there, Like I don't
think they ever are trying to saythat, like when people like I guess
one thing that always gets to meis when people watch this thing and they're

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like, let's see a marine biologistwatches Jaws and complains about it. It's
like, that's not this isn't real, Like this is this world where that
works. So you kind of haveto watch the world and take it on
those merits, like the hotels inthe biggest strip on in this order in
the real world that they are inthe film, which is where I was
gonna go, Yeah, So youcan't look at it as like, oh,

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and this that's unbelievable. It's likeyou look in the context of the
movie and like, is it believablewithin the context of this movie, because
if you compare everything to the realworld, no movie would ever hold up.
But are there no rules then?But I mean, it's what the
rules are in this movie, Likewhy, Like I guess I don't put

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my expectations on a movie. Ijust watched the movie and I see what
it gives me based on the worldthat it's in. I don't try to
like this is what I think shouldbe and if it's not, I think
that's unbelievable. I just sort oflet the experience watch over me and then
if I have to analyze it later, I will. But I mean,

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I don't think this movie ever thoughtlike, hey, should we be close?
Should we be close to like reallife? Like should we should we
like really stick to the rules ofthe world, Like, I don't think
that's totally necessary. It is thedifferent Nick Cage Vegas film than Leaving Las
Vegas. They are they are madevery differently. Yeah, it's I mean

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the main part with this one isare you entertained when you watch it?
Like are you having a good time? And I absolutely yeah, yes.
Is it a city decision to putall these tones on the plane and send
them without have any contingency plan?For if things go wrong, Yeah,
that's silly, but then you needsomething to go wrong for the film to
happen. Like I think if youcontinuously compare movies to like classics, there

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aren't that many, and it's reallyhard to make an all time or movie,
just like it is in basketball,where it's like really hard in the
NBA to I think Wilt Chamberlain didit to score over one hundred points.
Like if you can compare every gameof basketball to his game where he scored
over one hundred points, that's suchan anomaly of a game. That's not
fair to be like, oh that'sthat dude put up fifty points. It's

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not as good as that one hundredpoint game though, Like I think it's
really hard to say, like compareDeep Blue Sea to Jaws, which people
have done, or Deep Blue Seato Jurassic Park. Those movies are just
rarefied like happy accidents made by veryintelligent people who worked hard and did it.
I'm not going to call it anaccident, but I think I can't

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sit here and watch con Air andbe like, well, it's not as
good as die Hard because nothing seeis really as good as die Hard,
And there's just not that many allTimer classics. I really there's not there's
not that many al Teimers, soI don't I don't like with with any
sport too, like oh, youscored six six goals last game, but
you only scored four this time.Well that's not as good. So for
me, I respect the classics,but I also think it's every movie's gonna

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flop, like not every movie's notgoing to be as good as die Hard.
So it's really hard to be like, oh, well that's all right,
but it's no die Hard. ButI mean, like what is?
So I think for me, it'sonce again just going back to context.
And like Simon West was a musicvideo director, Jerry Bruckheimer is an uber
producer. You have John Melkovitch,Nicolas Cage, Steve Buschemy, Ving Raimes,
John Kuzak, who's who of characteractors, and in a quite a

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big, loud, bumbastic action filmthat I think, for what it is,
does well. And and no it'snot die Hard, but like what
else is? So that's the wayI look this movie, like was it
a summer blockbuster that was fun andunique? And look at look at Nicolas

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Cage's accent it's so out there,but like, I think he did it
earnestly, so I have a hardtime being like, oh, the accent
sucks. So it's just more aboutdoes it have personality? Will it like?
Will people like it? In twentyyears people still dig this flick.
So that's the way I look atit. So I've just watched Turbulence for
the first time. I've never seenit before. Same year, same plot

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in past with Raiosa, and wetalk about a terrible southern accent. I
had no idea Brendan Gleason was ain that film and be playing Southern American.
That's that's a film that doesn't havethe personality this And that's that's a
dark Grissie like murder set up scenefrom Texas James or massacre on a plane.

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But I did not like anyone nearas much as this one. That
I wouldn't I would have a lotof difficulty finding good things to talk about.
Twenty thirty forty weeks with Connor,We've not It's not been a struggle.
We just really like talking about this. But I don't want to talk
about anymore. Let's get into thechatter. It's like the reason I watched.

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Urbudence was because I think we canall agree. We may disagree on
Tornair, I think we can allagree the Razzies are awful. Ye yeah,
Razzi's terrible garbage. They nominated afourteen year old girl for Best Actress.
Sure that worst actress, the worstactress worst. Yeah. So Connair
was nominated for and won the Razziin ninety seven for the worst reckless disregard

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for human life and public property,which I think is related to this scene.
The crash into Vegas makes makes sensea thing. So it beat out
and Robin. Yeah, yes,true, it beat out Batman and Robin,
which has been agency I've seen it, so I can't remember now the
last World dressing parties in my headTurbulence and Volcano, both of which have
watched in the past week. There'sa ward should have gone to volcano.

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Yeah, they so much is destroyed. A volcano takes out like a lot
of a hotel, and the landinggear of a of a plane that shouldn't
even be on the on the list, the last of a drastic Clark kind
of take out a dock with ablow at the end. There's some the
t Rex rampaging around that's about it. And then they drop a trade off

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a cliff batman Robin who knows Latakes out so much stuff. They blow
up a hole, a new buildingas a dam. It's hundreds of thousands
of people die, stars everywhere.This film it reckless. I mean it
is without wreck. It is thevolcano does not care what it's doing.
The lava is wanton abandoned this film. So in this crash here I worked

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out what was taken out. Sothe hard Rock Cafe, big Neon guitar
sign taken out, that one lamppost, one car being driven about ten
palm trees to drink a fake outsideof the Oasis Hotel, the Oasis Neon
sign, another car, there's somemild damage to a parking sign where the
parking side survives. The wing ofthe plane gets taken out, so that's

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a robust parking though. And thenthe plane gets destroyed the front of the
Sands Casino. Essentially it's taken outand a few more cups. That's like,
yeah, things get destroyed, butthat's not This isn't an award that
the Rises give out every year.This isn't a ward that seems like they
gave out this year because of Cornet, because that's who were wanted too.
That to me isn't enough to warranta new award. Yeah, it's like

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a standard action scene. Then it'snot Man of Steel insanity. The Rock
had that crazy car chase that justdestroyed so many people like this that was
just written in from nowhere. Itwas completely unecessary. And the reason being
Jay is because swamp Thing is anamazing pilot. He landed that plane on
the Vegas Strip in a perfect spotto killed. They're take it down anyway

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to kill the least amount of people. That's how good Swamp Things the MVP
of this movie, and that's howgood of a pilot he is. I
would say one confirmed death in thein the rash, not one on the
plane where there was one car thatis moving that blows up, so that
car driving that drivers it's no longerwith us. But that's everyone else gets
out of the way raculously. Listen, it's just a street filled with stunt

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people and they can move fast.There's a stuntman convention in Vegas that weekend.
Imagine that there's a bunch of peoplegracefully flying out of the way.
Yeah, I mean, I guessno one wants to see because listen,
if this plane takes out a bus, a tour of bus, a line
of pedestrians crossing the street, andjust blood flies everywhere and entrails or everywhere,

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Cusack is gonna look really bad.Like people are gonna watch this movie
differently, like maybe they should haveshot this movie down or this plane down
over the deserts. Maybe. Imean, that's what Cold Many and his
pilots say. I feel like thereshould be some line later on where he's
like, like, say, itwas fine shooting it down over landing in
Vegas. No one dies. Ohno, okay, remember Bad Bloys two

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and Fast five. We can goback to that and bab Boys too.
There's that gigantic gunfight and car chase, and on the news are like,
no, no cops were killed andno pedestrians were killed during this Cops quick
and then in Fast five they flippedthe bus forty seven times and the news
report goes, everyone survived, butone person escaped, and that's Tom Toretto.
So I think that's one of thesedistances where it's a stunt man convention

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swamp things amazing. Vince Larkin knewit. There are quite a few shots
where it's just debris an explosion,and it's really kind of hard to tell
what's going on. They might theymight be brushing over some of the carnage
like that. And there's a propellerthat spins that like the propeller catches from
the plane, that spins out andthen somehow does it turn and goes back

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into the planet, and that kindof spins offscreen. That had to land
somewhere, possibly in somebody, butwe don't know. It's it's unclear,
it's unconfirmed of it's unc filmed.Everyone survived, Like there are two two
prisoners who went completely missing. Theywere there Casson City and never seen again.
So we assume that they run away. They survived. They they didn't

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die in that big shoot out.They're out that run away. Everything's fine,
everyone's happy. Ending You did it. You guys did a map of
Vegas. How far did this plango on the strip? It depends what
well you're in in this world.How far do you think the plane went?
The problem is it goes in oppositedirections and it you're not going to

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be able to see my map.But um, well, for starters.
The first time we get a shotof the plane, it's flying north because
the stratosphere is on our right,and our second shots if the stratosophe is
on our right over the strip,so it is coming the stratosphere is on

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the west side of the road,and we see the plane coming towards us
with the stratosphere on on our right. The plan's left, okay, sure.
The next shot we see it's travelingsouth. We have the we have
the stratosophere on our right, we'rebehind the plane, and then we get

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to the hard Rock, which isjust Chef's kiss of continuity. The hard
Rock, the what what used tobe the hard Rock Hotel and casino not
on the strip at all. Itis about three miles away, and we
get a shot of it taking offthe guitar because it looks cool, which

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is fine. But then we getanother shot where we can still see the
frets of the guitar as the planeis traveling south and we see more of
the strip kind of in the background. They have literally moved the hard Rock
Casino on to the strip for thatshot because the hot the hot Rock Destroyer

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is a model, so that's soit's easy to move. It's quite well.
You just pick it up the wholecasino miles away, and then we
get a whole lot of this whereit's like it up and down, up
down. The plane is mostly travelingsouth, but at a certain point it's
traveling east, and then it's travelingit must travel north to get back to

(29:26):
the sands, and then it's travelingeast again. When it's crashing into the
sands, it's I like to Itclearly flies past the circus circus, which
is the one I stayed that whenI was in Vegas about twenty years ago.
That was my first hotel. Istayed that when I went there,
been doing I was like fifteen,do anything in Vegas. Just awful time

(29:48):
to be in Vegas. Uh,But we went. I did the Hot
Coast from top of the strap.That was about what I did, and
some of the stuff in the circuscus. So it flies past the circa circus.
When it lands, it lands outsidethe circusacus. There's a clown face,
which I think is that that bigclown mask? I think is this
It's not landing by circus circus now, it's landing by what is the sands
is currently? I believe it's thePlazza, which one has the giant,

(30:14):
horrifying clown face outside the front ofthem. So I thought that I tried
to find it online and looked likethat was the circus circus, like this
isn't a circus circus, So Idon't think it actually landed them. I
think they wanted to have a shotof it just so seeing past this big
clown face. It kind of ifyou go by the the flight of the

(30:37):
plane in the film, it kindof hovers over the same spot more or
less for a long time and evenlands there with other shots kind of bouncing
around. But then it kind ofwhen the wings get taken off, like
one wing gets taken off in theparking sign and then a bunch of stuff
happens and the other wing gets takenoff in the exact same location. So
they're having some fun with editing.So I must have forgotten. Was there
a point where the brakes get takenout? Because I'm I'm just I'm always

(31:03):
just kind of amazed, having watchedthat scene several times, at how far
it's just on the ground for andnot slowing down. The brakes have not
been discussed at any point. Weknow they were, they were out.
They lost an engine somehow, that'sjust the end. You just were smoking
without being here at any point,and they didn't fuel up enough Awson City.

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That's why swan Thing knew there wasa lake. He knew it was
slowing down. Whatever it's gonna take. He knew he wanted to slow down
in a lake, not on pedestriansbodies, and so he he just aimed
and hit the gas, and thatthing rolled down the strip. I mean,
I do like how they how theypitched the strip as being this road

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that ends in a casino, whichis not. That's that's not that's not
the strange that sounds it off tothe side, like all of them are.
The road keeps going. They wereout of road. The last would
have been catastrophic. Jay if itreally landed on the strip, about Nicholas
Cage might have been on the strip, I mean out there. Had they

(32:07):
actually gone with it landing on thestrip and just keep going straight, they
would have gotten really close to theairport. Because I imagine this is addressed
in the film and I just don'trecall it, but the Las Vegas Airport
is literally like a mile from themain part of the strip, he said,
because there's a line early in thisscene where where Sex talking to a
guy who was like do they givethe airport and they goes like no,

(32:28):
so it's coming. Listen, thisis Earth one nine nine seven. The
airport is. It was so closewhen they were at the hard Rock they
were literally like five yards from.I want to see all the different Kanne
air worlds and what Nicholas Cage lookslike in all of them and one yeah,

(32:50):
exactly, I mean in one ofthem. In the original scripts they
crashed into the White House. Thatwas the first draft. But then they
say like that didn't feel rip.Also, I feel like Independence Day and
keep them then well, I willsay, though, that's a lot way
to fly as well, going frombut it's from California to BC is a
lot further to go than from Vegas. Oh yeah, that makes a lot

(33:12):
more. They're trying to escape toCanada rather than South America. I guess
going the wrong way to do it. I do think ninety six, ninety
seven, ninety eight they had alot of just tacked on endings, like
face Off was the boat chase.I always forget about the boast chase and
face Off I don't know why,but whenever I see it, I'm like,

(33:32):
oh, yeah, there's a boatchaise, and there's the train what
oh yeah in Speed Oh yeah thetrain. I just talked about that on
the Speed minute. I forgot aboutit when you brought it up. Yeah,
so there's this the train, there'sthe casino. Then there now there's
still a fire truck chase coming up? So do you remember the nineties were

(33:53):
like just listen, y'all, weneed to rewrite. Let's just toss us.
We need something else, Like wejust let's land something like a boat.
Do we have a boat chase?Face off? Did it? Okay?
Do we have a train? Speed? Did it? Do we have
a plane on a runway? Executivedecision? Did that okay? Wellnomobile?

(34:13):
Can we land a plane on snowmobiles? Well? Diehard two had snowmobiles and
planes. We can't do that.What about on jet skis? I think
I saw that in Speed two andlet's just land on the strip. Okay,
yeah, yeah, I think that'swhat has there ever benefits a checklist
of all the vehicles they're just goingthrough. Yeah, rocketier, Rocketier can't

(34:43):
do that. Indiana Jones Waterboards straightstory here. Yeah, have you not
seen straight story? Rose dun ActionClassic? Are you saying that there should
be a lawnmower chase at the endof this? No? Sure writing a
lawnmower chase by tension. Imagine thatjing Raimes mc gainey and John Malkovich on

(35:07):
three one on the same one,and Qusac and Cage each had their own
lawn mowers and yeah they're fast thoughgo carts. I hope we did have
a lawnmower fight scene in a pointbreak. Oh did someone pick up a

(35:28):
lawnmower and swing it? Now there'sthere's a there's a fight scene that's adjacent
to someone mowing a lawn. Ohyeah, pushed the face next to the
spinning blades because it was an oldschool lawnmowers. Oh, and have you
not seen lawnmower man? Of coursethey don't want to remind us of that.
Lawnmowers are out. Jet skis area snowmobiles are out. ATVs are

(35:52):
out go carts. That must havebeen a gon Co action scene that has
to have happened. Banana boats aregone jeels four Yeah, yeah, that's
it. Another high speed tension.Yeah, Hovercraft Star Wars so I heard

(36:20):
in the podcast you know, youknow the at eighty. Yeah, I've
I love. I'm fine with anyway you pronounce an at eight until I
had recently somebody called it an atat. That's that's I cannot get on
board with that. I don't knowwhat you mean. That's fine at eight,
Fine, all terrain on the transport, Fine, a tat. I'm
in a fury. Wait a tat, A tat tat. I guess eight

(36:45):
space tat a tat is how itwas said, and I seeving, so
that happened. I don't know whatit is, but that's just wrong.
That seems to be they're trying tobe provocative because there's a but it was
it was, it was on anotherpodcast. It was just glossed over.
Reference didn't get back to the cohost, didn't even pick up on it.
I just I'm just listening, likeskip back to someone being edgy or

(37:07):
ignorant of the dash. That's Ithink. I think the second I do
love when people call seven seven nthat makes me happy. Fund for stick?
Wait what the Fantastic four? TheJosh stick? When when what you

(37:28):
know that the Fantastic four that's gotYeah, it's fun. They Yeah,
it's seven is is indeed great?And how we should all honestly pronounce it
seven? So like it's like fivecream. But I need to think of

(37:51):
a vehicle that could work, thatcould be plausible for these guys in Vegas.
They're like little cleaning tarts in thecasinos. So they have like any
kind of like a giant pushing vacuumthat we see like in yeah, in
Biggest Vacation. Yeah, wells eleven, he's a balloon boy. I mean

(38:14):
if it was later, you've gotyou've got the whatever. I can't even
think of what they're called the standingwaukee things. Party bus, party bus
yea or a limo. Must belimos in Vegas. What do you think,
Jay, party bus? I thinkpartty bus. I've never seen an

(38:35):
action scene with a potty bus.So you'd have ving rams, mouth of
itch and swathing in a potty bus. Yeah, what a Jason chasing a
potty bus? Party cycles parts?Fine, that's invest party have you?
Like in Nashville there's a guy it'slike people riding bicycles but they can drink

(38:57):
and so something like there's riding aroundtown having drinks while riding around on this
bicycle machine, John Cusack and AnsCage on that that one of those ones
where you have like overview, likefacing each other and you're peddling like different
directions that somehow goes to forward motion. Yeah. Fine, what is what's
like a bloody party cycle to geteverybody onto? That might seem a little

(39:17):
awkward in the film. Okay,that's that's something. They're gonna try and
transfer the cons next time. It'son one of those. It's safer than
flying them somewhere. I think,all right, think about this, your
spots on the bike, you havea flight and you just get your cons
plowed like here, drink yeager,here's seven shots. Well plow that would
yeah. Liam Neeson did it,Yeah he did it. Rob Roy m

(39:45):
hm. Like, just give allthe cons a plastic bottle of gold Schlager
and they'll be sleeping up for anhour and when if they do take over
the plane, they'll be so justinebriated and uncoordinated. They're not. I
mean, they might get a littleriled up because of the booze, but
they could be sleeping them Wait,shout out for us made them money?

(40:08):
Well, I mean you gotta hiresomeone to sedate them though, Let's get
some night hole. They can't ridethe bike if they're too sits heavily.
Are you saying you have them drinkNike Will? But that could get them?
I could get them too, Yeah, yeah, all right, bottles
of Nike Will for all the passengers. Yeah, just roofe them and getting
head off. How long is theflight? How long does this last?

(40:30):
All right? Do a couple ofcircles around the air born before they just
pick them up. Yeah, that'sfine. You know we're in Vince Larkin.
You've run forty five flights and nocons have ever gotten off. What's
your secret? And like a bottleof Nike quill falls out of his pocket.
That's for me. I'm cuzak.I'm tired. I sleep at night.

(40:52):
I'm thinking about about all the world'sproblems. Yeah. No, no
one's buying my sandals programs. Idid an episode about serendipity for the movie
Stones on Flake SPoD and I cameacross his interviews again about con Air.
It's like I wanted to be theguy that was quoting Nietzsche and wearing sandals,

(41:13):
like I wanted to buck the trendis an awesome Cusack because everyone cared
in that one. So I'm gonnaguess that's calling Green. Is protty?
Your favorite character in this is thathappy correct or amongst some one of the
highlights of the film. No,No, I don't think so. Okay,
it's more of off putting. Ithink this film gets away with a

(41:39):
lot because of its beloved cast,and I'll leave it at that. Okays,
the greatest hits of character actors fromthe early to mid nineties, So
all these people that you love fromall these other films and put them in
m morally dubious situations where you're youshould be doing nothing but rooting for them,

(42:04):
but you find yourself liking them,right, Like why why why would
people like stupid Semi's character in this? I like movie. I like movies
like this because, like while youwere sleeping, if you think about Sandra
Bullock in that movie that's really odd, Like she has a crush on a
guy, he falls into a coma, then she says she's the fiance,
then she falls in love with thebrother. But the whole time you're like,

(42:25):
oh, she's just so sweet.It's Sandy Bee, like Sandy Bee.
And then you think about it yearslater and you're like, she's a
creeper. If she was played bysomeone less she was, if she was
less likable, that would have justcome across as a horror film. If
it was the lady from Who's ThatLady from the beginning of pulp Fiction with
Tim Roth, and she's like AmandaPlumber, Amanda Plumber. If it was

(42:46):
Amanda Plumber and while you were sleeping, it would be a different, different,
different movie. Yeah. Yeah,but I always love it when you
when when characters play, Yeah,you're just sort of like, hey,
I like one yers of good lookingpeople. Yeah, but so who's your
favorite character in this movie? Then? Who's your avatar? If if you

(43:08):
if you have like an HBO Maxand you have to pick one connear character
to be your avatar, who doyou pick? Michael two Williams. I
don't know. It's just process.It's it's process of elimination of who who
do I not want to I don'twant to be the rapist, I don't

(43:28):
want to be the criminal master.You don't want I don't want to really
want to be Nick Cage cole meanyIs is a relentless prick. It just
goes on and on. All right, I like it. You pick baby
O'Dell. Sure, he's one ofthe few likable characters in the film,
like because I think they keep himthe most one dimensional. I need I

(43:51):
need my morphine. They all kidding, I need my insolent. Oh yeah.
We get one brief shot of himin this way. He's being being
tended to stay with me, staywith what crimes? Uh did mc gainey
commit swamp thing? So it's unconfirmedin the film, but listening to an

(44:13):
interview that he did. He saysthat he was like a drug runner who
landed in the wrong place. Icould go for him. I mean to
get another example of a beloved characteractor. I can't. I can't hate
myself some mc gainey. Yeah,he's he's the best, like just in
this scene here when he's when whenhe's like having fun down I find a

(44:37):
business I would hire him and thenquickly regret it. But he does the
flying, He gets rid of thetransponder, he pulls the plane out,
he has the tractor, he doesall the ropes. He actually flies.
He takes the plane off in asandstorm. He lands it like almost before
I can blow up into propane.He lands two planes almost perfectly in this

(44:59):
movie. All the walks away topilot a fire drug can do anything,
and he gets turned into a fishtank. Like that's I want to you
know what I want to mc gaineyfish tank, Like he just put his
little figure in there with the fishtank and he floats around. I could
put that in my office. Itwould be a great figure. Things that

(45:19):
only you will enjoy. Someone comesup, mark what's that? Also in
the con Air movie at the end, there's a fire truck chase, he
becomes he gets kind of made puttinginto aquarium from John Cusack. And so
when you look at this, likeit's him floating and see it's mc gainey.
That's sideways and dreads and come backwhere you going? I haven't finished

(45:42):
car starts and we always out ofthere. I'm picturing mc gainey staring at
your mc gainey aquarium and all themenagerie of mc gainey characters figures that you've
placed at the bottom of this andeven he is he is running out of
the building I have, but he'sbeen tied up and gagged and now he's
thought of the collection while mc gainingwas sleeping. What's what's a better singing

(46:07):
song, like, what's a betterplaying song a song? That song while
playing is supposedly crashing? What TinyDancer and almost famous? That's the two
there is down actual ones. Idon't know going down like that? That's

(46:27):
that's that's a fast song to get. Everyone just says, get on singing.
I think can get that? Whattiny Dancer? No, I'm check
away that now swinging? Are theysinging a song in in a live guessing?
Just eat some Hanks humming and costaway. Yeah, Tom Hanks, he's

(46:52):
the Forrest Gump theme. I don'tknow what the Forst Gump theme is,
but I was just watching Flight.I haven't finished it yet. For the
first time, there's no singing duringthat play. That's like one of the
few parts of that film that doesn'thave a song playing. The rest of
the film is it's a lot ofsongs, the upside down song like sid

(47:15):
doesn't Jack Johnson have that? Yes, imagine Denzel Washington singing that song well,
because he was cool as cucumbers doingthat whole scene. He'd be like,
let's twist again. So sweatbucket forthis chapter. Every every chapter has

(47:37):
a sweatbucket. One of the sweatiestpersons. I think it's it's Carlos and
that's one. I think it's theprisoner sat in front of a buddy Tygroundson
Jones in front of Blade, he'spretty sweaty when he's sit down at the
start of the scene. That's mypitch for the sweatiest guy. I mean,
the guy crosses himself. He hasn'tgotten it yet, so he deserved
me. Is that the guy screamingat Steve Shamy, No, that's that's

(48:00):
Grandson Jones. We've had him frontof the show. Blade. The guys
sat in front of him is alittle sweatier. I think, okay,
yeah, let's let's give it outto someone new. Yeah the media Rivera,
you've won the award nguinations. Yeah, that's so. When when Blade
is screaming, shut up, shoutout where we're gonna die? He we
hadn't one. He said he wantedto play out really angry and yes,

(48:22):
a girl in green, but andhe did a few like that, but
slowly Wise made him do one likemore scared, and that's what they used
and he wasn't happy about that.So it's one of those characters to be
I feel like tough guy. Yeah, but it's fun. It's still a
funny scene. He got a lineworks, it works, it works.
Yeah, But I mean it's sucha nineties touchdow with villains who sing like

(48:45):
that. I one thing I don'tmiss are the villains of the nineties,
Like I feel like Hans Gruber AlanRickman sort of kicked off just this.
I mean there were villains like likeRickman the Four, but I think Rickman
really kicked it off in overdrive ofjust really weird choices for villains or like

(49:06):
well spoken villains like that Trope wasreally running to the ground in the nineties.
I'm kind of glad we're past that. Like smug villains, I'm glad
we're past that. But European Yeah, Yeah, I do like Cyrus more
though that I've learned that he's notas sharp as we thought, Like he
doesn't have comebacks, like when feldZone insults him, he blanks when he's

(49:30):
like, yeah, it's clever,Like he's not clever. So I like
that. I think that adds anew element to him. So yeah,
and Ganey was a voice entangled withRon Perlman see one of the one of
the Big Brothers. Yeah, withwith like Timkins, one of the guys
the coons in the bath singing Ihave a dream. I guess he's one

(49:54):
of the two the whole time.Okay, he's the Yeah that makes sense.
Well, I think we have toget going, Mark, Yeah,
So any more thoughts on corner orthis scene as well? Uh No,
I think they were lucky that theVegas as it is now was in its

(50:17):
infancy circa nineteen ninety five or six, So a lot of us just flew
right over people's heads. No funInternet. Apparently when they were filming it,
people on the street, we're concernedabout the plane flying overhead and called
the police. Sorry, do youhave anything to plug? Don't know any

(50:37):
You don't have a podcast that aregoing to you know? I don't.
I don't plug the internet. Okay, you can find the internet online at
most post mark anyone notes for thisscene. Listen swamp thing MVP and now
I want to fish tank with mcgainey figures in it. You only you

(50:58):
can do that, Mark. Ithink I can put your tell your shock
if the one and the Oh,I'm still gonna get that one day,
Jay, and it's gonna be horrifying. It's gonna be a terrible idea.
Yeah, I will never visit GreatMark any any plugs. Welcome to listeners.
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