The Military Conspiracy

The military may soon be in the position of having to choose which side they are on

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
But comes the conspiracy. The military is soon going to
have to choose which side it is on. Let me explain.
I saw some of our viewers discussing this on the

(00:27):
David Patman Show subreddit. Trump's back in office. The chaos
immediately started. Courts being ignored, mass deportation plans in motion,
no due process, no oversight. Pete headsheth Trump's defense secretary,
cable news pundit with no military command experience, leaking classified
or should be classified info to journalists, to his wife

(00:49):
in signal chats, and so much more of it, attacks
on the media. You've seen it all. At some point,
Trump is going to cross a line and give an
illegal order, a direct illegal order. Will it be shoot
protesters and probably not. Will it be, Hey, military, come

(01:12):
help us round up immigrants illegally participating in integration policy,
which the military is not supposed to do. Maybe is
it going to be help us defy a Supreme Court ruin?
It might be, and the US military is going to
have to choose the constitution and the rule of law
or the president. Historically, this is a critical moment in authoritarianism.

(01:36):
What Trump is doing isn't really new. Its textbook strongman politics.
We've talked to Ruth ben Giad about it. It mirrors
much of what we saw in the twentieth century. You
start by undermining the courts, attacking the press, filling key
positions with loyalists, reaponizing the language of patriotism, and then
you test the waters. You start ignoring certain court orders,

(02:00):
which illegal orders? Can I give to others that they
will also ignore the illegality of which ones will they
help me carry out? This is how authoritarian regimes have
built power in the past. It doesn't happen all at once,
but it happens by pushing boundaries until someone pushes back,
or maybe no one pushes back. That is how authoritarian

(02:22):
regimes rise and fall, and ultimately it comes down to
whether the military will play along. Look at some historical examples.
In Chile, General Pinochet's coup succeeded because the armed forces
turned on a democratically elected government and backed dictatorship. It

(02:43):
hinged on the military. In Nazi Germany, Hitler didn't fully
consolidate power until the militaries swore personal loyalty to him
rather than to the German constitution or the nation. If
you look at Spain, Franco launched a civil war with
military backing and ruled for decades. But counterpoint in the

(03:08):
US and the seventies, when Richard Nixon's orders started to
veer towards madness, the military didn't fight, institutions mostly held,
the orders went ignored, and Nixon ultimately resigned seeing the
writing on the law about impeachment. So the difference is
very stark. When the military sides with democracy, democracy tends

(03:35):
to survive. When the military doesn't side with democracy, democracy
tends to fail. Trump's center circle knows this. Bannon and
people like that, and people more close to Trump, they notice.
That's why they are packing the Pentagon, the Royalists and
getting oversight. That's why they're testing what they can get

(03:55):
away with, peace by peace, day by day. If they
can get one one unit to follow an illegal order,
then they will try it again and then again, and
then they'll go bigger. So this is not theoretical anymore.
To every general, every private, you may soon have to
choose when the orders come down. The people who swore

(04:18):
an oath to defend the constitution won't get to hide
behind politics. The leader going to say no, the tyranny
or they're going to help to enforce tyranny. And Trump's
gamble is that the military will follow orders rather than principles.
He's betting that enough people will say it's not my
job to question the president and just go along with it.

(04:40):
And so Trump is counting on a culture of deference,
of obedience, and of careerism. And that's why the people
that he surrounds himself with heads breath, Stephen Miller, etc.
They talk about restoring law and order, but the plan
is to ignore the law. The plan is to throw

(05:01):
law in order in the toilet and flush at ten
to fifteen times, the way Trump has done so many
times before. Their plan only works if the people with
guns obey the man rather than the law. And I
know we have many members of the military in our audience,
and this is something you've got to be prepared for,
and you've got to be ready to know how you

(05:23):
will react when that request slash demand from Trump comes down.
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(05:45):
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