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And you know, it's I want to talk about this
Minnesota transshooter. And I am not one as somebody is
really really tearing into a rapper right now, I am
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not one to shy away from what the truth is.
I can't count how many times I'll start talking about
topic and oh, Doug, I don't know, you don't want
to talk about that. It's you know, it's kind of controversial.
It's controversial because the left makes it that way. I'm
not going to play their game. I'm going to call
balls and strikes as they are. Period. And Wednesday morning,
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a shooting occurred at the Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
The gunman was a hymn. It was a male with
ponytails and and girl dresses dressed on his body. But
he was a male killing two children, injuring fourteen other children,
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injuring three adults, eight year old, ten year old kids
that were killed. And he did it on the first
all school mass of the day at this Catholic school.
He knew that it was going to be the first
time all of the kids were going to be together,
and he fired his weapons through a window into the
church during the mass, into the area where the children
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were praying. He had three firearms. There was a smoke
bomb found at the scene that had not been set off.
He had a semioticmatic rifle, the killer Robert Westman. He
went by Robin Westman because of his name change that
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his mom signed off on, even though she used to
be an employee of this school, this Catholic school. He
was a graduate of this Catholic school, and he left
behind At Manifesto, he posted online images of firearms with
the words kill Donald Trump written on him early twenties,
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recently maybe still being indoctrinated by the left, even though
he went to a private school. It's even infiltrated that
changed his name to reflect his transgender name of Robin
when he was seventeen, which means his mom had to
sign off on it because he was a minor. And then,
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as Manifesto, Westman expressed, because this is what happens to
these people, These people are in despair and He expressed
personal despair, suicidal ideation, rage against society, rage against America
having to pay bills, having to have a job in
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society at large, because the cultural marks had been pumped
into this kid, and he hated everything but something that
some utopia that someone like mom Donnie might talk about.
And in addition to his hatred for Donald Trump and
his writings, he expressed hatred for Christianity, writing everything that
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you stand for, I've got people and my wife have
said in my life that has said the same thing.
Some reports indicate a possible type of satanic extremist groups. Well,
the transgender ism is satanic in my opinion. And the
manifesto has posted on a video for the tax YouTuber
since taken down, and then the manifesto images. Some of
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the writings were written in cyrillic, So in what was
in English? What was a cyrillic? Here's what we know.
He spoke of murdering, filthy Zionus, Jews, wrote slogans such
as free Palestine, wrote I hate those entiny old pennies
being expetive or Jews mused about assassinating President Trump, and
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the Jews decided that killing children and innocent civilians would
bring him the most joy. Said he had been suicidal
for several years and wanted to take others out with him.
He wrote, I don't want to do it, just spread
a message. I do it to please myself. I do
it because I am sick. When he said because I
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am sick, not the kind of sick you are looking
at me. Yes, he was a sick individual. He was
proud of being sick. He's saying, that's right, I'm sick
and it's a good thing, That's what he's saying. I
know this because I've been around these kind of people before.
I've been around the homosexual community before. This is being sick,
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is sticking a stick in a God's eye. It is
something they are proud of. But yet it causes despair
because you know, we all have a void in our bodies,
that in our souls, in our being, that searches out
the Creator. And when we reject it and we try
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to fill it with other things, the void is still there.
We are still seeking. Also in his journal, he wrote,
I don't think I could just take myself out. I
would need to do something with my final act. Okay,
if you don't believe in God, you're mortal. There is
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no immortality after death. And if that's the case, the
only way to have any kind of immortality is your legacy,
and a bad legacy is better than no legacy in
the minds of people like this. He named groups he
considered greedy executives sounding like Democrats Donald Trump. Elon Musk
stated he was racist against Jews and people of color,
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and that thoughts about school shooting since the seventh grade.
He wrote that he was inspired by Sandy Hook and
Adam Lands. He quote quote, I don't want to dress
girly all the time, but I guess sometimes I really
like it. I know I am not a woman, but
I definitely don't feel like a man. Why because the
definition of a man has been poisoned. Being a man
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is a bad thing, your toxic masculinity, right. He doesn't
want to feel He didn't want to feel that way,
so he embraced his sickness, and he was proud to
do so. And according to the FBI, Westman glorified past shooters,
hated God, hated religious conservatives, and specifically targeted Catholic churchgoers,
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and one video uploaded by Westman, a body target on
his wall had an image of Jesus Christ on the
head of the target. And then after all of this
information politically motivated, religiously motivated hatred for his targets, the
Minneapolis police chief gets out there as well, we have
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no information to share on a motive, no motive, no,
admitting that the leftist cultural Marxist progressive ideology might have
had a hand in sending this looney over the edge.
Even John Miller CNN and a dishonest speech to Jake
Tapper said that it's now clear the shooter they don't
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have a specific motive and there won't ever be a
specific motive because his manifesto was kind of rambling, and
he hated everybody. No, he targeted certain groups in its manifesto.
He hated everybody that you hate CNN, everyone that you hate,
John Miller. And not only was there an apparent motive,
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it was planned. Think about this, and I said this
a moment ago. It was during their first all school
master of the school year. He knew when that day
would be. His mother used to work there, he graduated
from there. He knew the schedule, it was planned out.
He was crazy in his trance, not crazy in his actions.
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I mean crazy. Yes, it's crazy to think that way,
but he had full control of his faculties to plant
it out the way he did. But hell, there's no motive.
Well you know, he's probably mental. Chuck one up for
the progressive lefts nothing to stay here attitude. But don't worry.
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They'll call for more gun control and they have and
I'll get into that, because that's what it's all about
for them. Every time there's a tragedy, every time there's
a horrific action like this where guns are involved, the
first thing comes out of their mouth, confiscate everybody's guns
and if a. Wars has reported that federal deep state
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forces have attempted to cover up the terror attack by
scrambling to take down the shooter's various online pages and
the accomplices of the left in the media, they made
sure to go to work on the story, making sure
they honored Westman's satanic, feminine pronown pronouns. All of them
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called the gunman as she and a her. The Minnesota
Star attributing went so far as to call Westman his
mother's daughter. And then getting back to the gun part,
you've got CNN Senior Justice correspondent Evan Perez claiming in
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a statement that the semi automatic firearms used by Westman
could fire quote dozens of bullets with a single pull
of a trigger. That kind of function is only available
to fully automatic They firearm that is nearly impossible to
get one's hands on, or at least for most people
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in most circles. So either Evan Perez is an ideologically
conditioned liar, a complete idiot, or so informed about firearms
that he'd be better off reporting on rock fights. The
anti Christian ideological left attitude guns were firing both barrels
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after the shooting. Democrat married Jacob Fry of Minneapolis slamming
Christians from praying after the shooting. These people, he's mocking
Christian he's mocking prayer. Well, these victims already praying when
they got targeted. What good was that prayer? Was basically
what he was saying. They don't understand what prayer is,
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or what it's about, or what it's for, or why
anybody would pray because there are a bunch of paganistic,
creator hating people. The church that got at Tech has
requested for prayer for the impossible situation. At the end
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of it, it says, in this time of darkness, let us
commit to being the light to our children, each other,
and our community. Prayer is a powerful thing. But these jerks,
they don't understand. And then let's not forget that these
schools have been requesting from the government to help with
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security because places like this is getting targeted. Now. Personally,
I don't like the idea of them saying, hey, government
help us with our security. I've got an idea. How
about you tell government to buzz off, because if they
give you something, they're gonna dictate to you how you operate.
And you find a few members of your church that
are gun enthusiasts, put guns of them on their hips
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and have them walking around campus. Good guys with guns
always stop bad guys with guns. Trump and his response
to signed a proclamation honoring the Minneapolis Catholic School victims
shot down by the twisted individual, proclaimed that flags need
to be flown at half staff. Trump's Director of the FBI,
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Cash Betel, stated that the FBI is investigating the shooting
as domestic terrorism and hate crime targeting Catholics. My favorite
response to this was by Jesse Waters his opening monologue
after this happened nailed it. I'm gonna take a five
minute monologue and I'm gonna squeeze it into less than
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a minute. Here. This is what he said. Two years ago,
another trans twenty something walked into a Christian school in
Nashville with a rifle and shot three kids of three adults.
They the media buried the manifesto and locked down the case.
We've seen trans shootings in Colorado and in Maryland. They
even shot up an ice facility in Texas. And it
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seems half of Antifa is trans. A couple of they
them just got popped for fire bombing Tesla's. Statistically, the
trans population has been prone to violence. That's not villainizing,
that's reality. The Left is weaponizing trans kids and turning
them into culture warriors, and they've been turned loose against
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the church, schools and Trump. It is a trans militant
wing and it's out for blood. They're taking lives to
filing churches. There's a growing trans epidemic, and they leftist
leaders and media won't admit it. They created a crisis
and then lie about it and blame you for not
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being compassionate. But their fake compassion is getting people killed.
And I agree Jesse Waters, you nailed in. This is
the consequence of affirming the sickness rather than treating it.
We need to call out those pushing this evil and
exclaim from the mountaintops that they have blood on their hands.
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We need to be willing to talk about this topic.
This transgender gunman was able to do what he did
because he was encouraged to be sick. He lived in
a trans refuge state. The delusion of gender confusions being
fed for political reasons, and now people are dying because
of the cultural Marxist attempt to destroy God's creation as men,
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as women, as family, that's marriage, as all of the
things that surround the most important building block of an
orderly society. And the establishment Democrats and their leftist allies
have revealed that they believe our children belonged to them.
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Remember they were targeting parents, calling them domestic terrorists for
standing at school board meetings to say no, this is
not okay. But the leftist said no, Well, these children
must be fed a steady diet of a transgender delusion
and sexual fantasy. And it all began with the agenda
to normalize homosexuality, celebrating debauchery and X rated acts of
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public exhibitionism in front of children and strangers and has
been a celebration of sin pride. They call it Pride
Pride month right and indoctrinating young people during the first
two decades of their lives would non stop sexual deviancy.
These kids were taught at an early age that fat
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hairy men wearing lipstick and some straps of weather is
an example of civil rights, and anyone who questions it
are bigots and haters that deserve to be canceled or worse.
And someone like Westman is taking the or worse, took
the or worse to heart and did it. And while
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the homosexuals flopped their masturbatory excess in front of everyone,
a Democrat controlled teachers' unions in Hollywood, the news media,
all of them, all those other institutions the leftists have infiltrated,
call it virtuous drag queens. As long as they do
this drag queens will continue to poison our society and
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specifically our children with strip teases and twerking in front
of kindergarteners during story time. And if we don't stop
this madness, the Democrat controlled medical community will continue to
call chopping up children's genitals the affirming thing to do,
and continue their practice of mutilating bodies and sterilizing them forever,
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because if you don't, you are some kind of hater.
They run lives, is what the Left does. They run lives.
They did it with the Jay Sixers, they did it
with their policies during Biden's presidency, and they're doing it
now with the trands that they destroy childhood, and they
are somehow succeeding. There are actually people who agree with
them or believe them. They're succeeding and calling this madness
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normal and convincing a certain segment of the population that
it must be celebrated. And as a Christian, I see
it as the days of Noah, as the days of
Sodom Gomora. As a historian, I see this as the
type of things that was going on right before the
fall of Greece and Rome, with sexual over indulgence and exploitation,
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overtaking common sense and common decency. And they did it
with creeping incrementalism. A little bit here, a little bit there.
The frog in the boiling pot turn up the heat
just a little bit until before the frog realizes it
it has been cooked from the occasional gay kiss, to
gay marriage, to love is love, to full blown gay
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orgies in plain view, and if you don't agree, they'll
put you out of business for not baking their cake,
get Christians fired from their jobs, and close down Christian
business and nonprofits for daring to question them. And they
say they are calling for compassion the homosexual and other
sexual devincies. Political agenda seeks seizing the culture, seizing political power,
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and crushing anyone who dares to stand in the way.
They dare to even make a comment that they claim
offends them, They denounce you as a bigot for speaking
the truth, for having compassion for these folks by warning
them of the dangers of their behavior. I will not condone.
I refuse to that a child can be born in
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the wrong body. I refuse to be accused of committing
violence against trans people with my words or thoughts. I'm
showing them love, I am telling the truth, and I
refuse to let them have God's rainbow. I want that
rainbow back, and I refuse to embrace their homosexual idolatry.
I don't care if my contemporaries tell me it is
a subject we shouldn't touch. Oh, don't talk about the
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social issues, Doug. It's rude. It's not going to win you.
I refuse to call these sexual deviancees anything other than
what they are. Habitual sin is satanically driven, and that
does not mean I hate homosexuals. God wants everyone to
embrace salvation, and if you are willing, he will embrace
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you with salvation when you come to Christ. I believe
this is a Christian The conviction of the Holy Spirit
will create conflict. That's why when homosexuals give their lives
to the Lord, they become former homosexuals. Light and darkness
cannot occupy the same space. The light of the Lord
extinguishes the darkness of sexual sin when one dies unto
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themselves and places it all in God's hands. My message
to my opposition on this is that you don't have
to continue to pray at the altar of pagan idols.
You don't have to embrace the idiotic erasure of sex
or sexual normalcy. Don't have to live lives in ideology
that leads many to suicide, murder, and loneliness. God accepts
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you as you are, but if you come to him,
he will change you to be the person he created
you to be, and I understand. I understand the plight.
Little personal thing here. My wife was upset because I
also talked about this on my Friday Live show as
a Patriot soapbox. But I get accused of while you're
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just a white Christian Conservative, you don't understand. I do
understand because I grew up around the homosexual community. I
understand the pain of such a plight. I understand how
sexual sin is like a drug addiction, becoming a never
ending need for more and more to become as nasty
as possible, and then more and more often than not
for the purpose of poking God in the eye. That's
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why my mom divorced my father when I was still
in her womb. She was not going to raise me
in that environment. But I still saw him couple times
a year. I still saw his lifestyle, my father, I mean,
I was still around his friends. I saw things that
a child should not see. In many ways, my childhood
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was stolen from me. I understand these people, and I
understand it's a one way ticket to hell, one way
ticket to suicide, and a one way ticket to despair.
But if we're gonna reach these people, if we're gonna
get our society under control, because understand our culture. Everything's
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downhill downstream from the culture, which means we need to
get our churches in order. God's people cannot fight the
spiritual enemy if they sit. If you have one foot
in the world and one foot with God, and you
fly flags that are you know, the rainbow, and fall
into the trap, you cannot win this if you are
not right with God in your church in the first place.
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How can we get our cultural house in order and
our political house in order. If we can't get our
godly house in order, and if our pastors won't step
out the top four walls of the church stand in
the public square and say this is wrong, and I'm
gonna stand up for what's right, and I'm gonna be
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a leader in my community, and I've got my congregation
in the public square with me. Until we start doing that,
we will continue fighting this like we're on the losing side.
Let's take a break. When we come back, Dennis and
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Welcome back Consciation Radio. How many of you were offended
that I used gunshots to come back after this? I
don't care what you think. I care what's right. We
need to be armed for good and good guy guns
always stopped bad guyser guns. Was it the gun's fault,
It was trans violence's fault, It was our culture's fault.
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It was that person's fault. We're making the decisions that
they made, and we do make our own decisions, all right,
Alan and Dennis. Dennis, this was a very impassioned delivery.
I'm this is a very big issue with me, and
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I think I made my point quite clear. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
No, I thought it was good.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
I have no criticism at all, the delivery, the content,
the logic, the passion, you know. But you know, coming
into this show, I mean, I watched this stuff this week,
and you know the stupidity where people were saying, like
you were saying earlier, well, what's the motivation. You know,
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what's what's the problem. Why is this happening? Well, I'll
tell you why it's happening. Is they understand who the
people are that don't agree with them.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's basically it.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
He knows the Catholic Church does not agree with him,
he knows the conservatives, he knows that Trump, he knows
it in general Christianity does not agree with him.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
He's having an argue with himself. You did not.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Mention the one thing that he said that I thought
you would bring up, and that where he was talking
about how he's ruined his life by joining that transmental
illness steal. He saw it for what it was right,
but he surrendered to it. He allowed it to control
his life and end the lives of others. And without
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being a genius at all. He knows an average American,
a Christian American you know, doesn't support him. So he
wants to call us his enemy because his behavior is demonic.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Then okay, I'm his enemy.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I don't hate him, like you said, I'd like to
reach out and help him. But ignoring wickedness is not
a kindness to anybody.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, and it's just like the drug addict, you know,
until they admit there's a problem and they're willing to
go to rehab or willing to at least, you know,
consider that there's a problem. They can't be helped.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
And if I would have been on the street with
him carrying a gun outside the church, walking toward him
as he stopped outside the window and got ready to
shoot stuff, rather than go up and try to help him,
I probably would have shot him dead. Well yeah, you know,
and then I would have got arrested because they didn't
know what he was going to do, you know, And
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I saved.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
People's lives, and that I would be the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Good guys with guns always stop bad guys with guns.
And I I wanted to bet because those churches are
this was gun free zone. And well, I will tell
you shooters love gun free zone, so they won't be
shot at.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
And i will tell you this, and this is personal,
and I'm not going to be critical of it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I'm just going to say this.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
In the Church of Jesus Christ the Latter day Saints
known as the Mormon Church, my dad is a retired cop,
always carried his thirty eight or his small twenty two
when he got up one time to bless the sacrament.
As he kneeled down, the gun fell out of his
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out of its holster and landed right there in front
of the church. He reached out, grabbed it, put it back,
blessed the sacrament, and.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
They administered it.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
The church has since over the last number of years,
have said do not carry it, So my dad could
no longer be the former cop with protection on him
in the church. I don't necessarily like that, but I'm
not in charge of the church. So, like you say,
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even the LDS Mormon Church is in theory a gun
free zone. However, they do have possible security that hopefully
will take you out should you try to attack them,
But the average member of the church is no longer
part of that.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Defense. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I remember when I was at Tamchila, my pastor that
had his gun while he's up at the bullpit, and
I loved it. And I mean he and he would
talk about that stuff on stage during the sermons, how
important it was that we defend those who need defense
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and be properly armed to do so. All right, thank you, sir.
Any any other words before I go down, No, I'll
shut up, all right, Alan, Alan, Yes, I'm guessing your
first words will be, well, I'm gonna look at this
a different way, Doug.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I'm gonna look at this a little bit differently.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
How did I know that was coming? All right?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
You all covered it quite thoroughly, right, and I support
everything you said. There's a couple of things again to
bring more context to this, And there's there's nothing light
about this. There's nothing funny, there's nothing it's it's absolutely
tragic and sad. I did see a video posted allegedly
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by him from him and he's got all these firearms
on his bed and he's playing with it with the
bullets running him through his fingers. And my first thought was,
where did all the money come from to buy this?
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I just it's so, it's just very sad. You got
you all have covered it, and we all have the right,
we all have the need to protect ourselves and protect
the good people in the world, and that will never
go away. And that is an individual right, right. Uh,
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it is not a government right. So I'll leave it
at that.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, you talk about the natural right of having a gun,
and one of the you know, and I mentioned last week,
how you know one of the phrases that the courts
use a plain text reading of the Constitution drives me nuts. Well,
how about this one common use and the use the
term common use when it comes to gun gun ownership
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and holding carrying guns?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Basically, the term begs to ask the question which firearms
are considered covered by the Second Amendment. Now, originals like
me will laugh at the fact that the question is
even asked in the first place, because the reality is,
the reality is it is a long standing question. But
to me, the answer is simple. Everything is covered by
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the Second Amendment. Everything applies. The common use question basically
asks which firearms are protected by the Constitution. And if
you dig further, the question becomes in the Second Amendment,
what does the clause refer to with the word arms?
Does it include stun guns, martial arts, hand weapons, bladed weapons,
assault rifles? So in the eighteen to twenty eight Webster's
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diction is one of my favorite resources. If you look
up the word arms, there are three particular definitions in
that that I want to mention here weapons of offense
or armor for defense and protection of the body. In law,
arms are anything which a man takes in his hand
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in anger to strike or assault another and then arms
are such as may be charged with powder as canon
must gets mortars, etc. So the first thing says pretty
much anything as was the second. My last one gets
more into firearms and that kind of stuff from a
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resource point of view from the era. The right to
keep in our arms, as articulated in the Second Amendment,
includes all weapons and equipment that may be used for
a fence and defense to including protective tools and apparatus.
So the use of definitions like so using those definitions
the common use argument is unconstitutional. There is no limit.
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The term arms in the Second Amendment means anything that
falls within the following criteria, guns of any kind, blades
of any kind, other weapons including stun guns, pepper spray, etc.
Protective devices like body armor and shields. And during the
congressional debates and the state ratification conventions, the discussions regarding
the Second Amendment never specifically listed what kinds of weapons
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were covered by the language of the Second Amendment because
that wasn't crossing their mind. Because the Amendment was introduced
by John by James Matters of the House of Representatives,
and no specific weapons were discussed because all weapons were
necessary because the purpose of it is defense against tyranny.
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What was discussed was the importance of preserving the right
to keep them their arms, primarily for the purpose of
preserving the ability of the militia to fight tyranny. Madison
and others equated in armed populace as being a safeguard
against standing armies that may be used by potentially tyrannical
federal government. So the arms would need to be the
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same comparable to those of a soldier, not just hunting weapons.
If the reason for it is to defend against the
federal government, then the arms in the hands of those
who are defending themselves must be equal to or greater
than those of the tyranny. And during the Virginia ratifying Convention,
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George Mason warned about disarming the people to disarm the
people as the best and most effectual way to enslave them.
He would also later comment, after being asked what the
militia is they consist now if the whole people accept
a few public officers, the discussion assumed that the people
would have military great arms suitable for military service. The
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proposed amendments from Virginia to the Second Amendment explicitly referred
to the militia and private arms, and all of the
ratifying conventions discussed self defense and militia rules. We're talking
about the right to keep the beare arms. The two
went together. Not a single discussion limited arms to specific
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weapons or used a common use style argument, and no
debate stated that the Second Amendment was limited to arms
needed for militia use or personal self defense, or personal
use or for other reasons. The firearms protected by a
second Amendment then would include all weapons, including those in
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common military use at the time. As Ted Nugent once said,
the Second Amendment does not exist in case the deer
rise up. The scary weapons being labeled as assault rifles
by opponents of gun ownership also are included when it
comes to our right to keep them their arms. In fact,
those are what the founding fathers meant, and during the
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Constituential Convention of seventeen eighty seven, before the Second men
was even discussed, while they didn't talk about firearms directly,
they did discuss the militia concept. The militia, in fact,
was a central discussion and was understood as being the
body of the people armed with common military arms of
the day. So this judicial yardstick the common use test, saying, well,
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you know, it has to be common use by law
bying citizens for lawful purposes. Otherwise we can ban it.
According to the politicians and the general attitude of the
courts is that in common use weapons can be regulated
where they are determined to be dangerous and unusual. This
is a modern argument. This is not one the founders had.
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This is one that emerged long after the ratification of
the Second Amendment. This argument was never uttered during the
debates of the Second Amendment or the discussions regarding the
importance of the militia, which includes every American citizen capable
of keeping them bearing arms being armed. If the purpose
of the Secondmendment is to secure the right to keep
them by arms, because the use of those firearms are
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necessary to secure the freedom we have, then that means
the common use argument is unconstitutional. Our right to keep
them bear arms, if it is necessary to defend us
against improper use of federal authority, must include weapons of war.
The very firearms that those who oppose the private ownership
of guns in our society are trying to and in
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many ways have succeeded and banned through federal law, shall
not be infringed, just definitive. Every single federal gun law
is unconstitutional. The federal gunment is the potential tyranny. So
how is it they should be allowed to dictate to
us what they can own or what we can own,
should I say, and what we can carry? And that
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we must the background check before we can even be
considered as a potential purchaser of any firearms. And then
we have to ask, at what point does federal intrusion
into our lives trigger the use of our right to
keep in bare arms. The Decoration of Independence says that
we not only have the right to overturn government if
it becomes tyrannical, but we have the duty to do so.
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The problem is the argument to stand against the government
can be patriotic or insurrection, depending on who you're talking to.
Conservatives will argue that the government under Biden was the
kind that must be pushed back against. That was the
kind of government that we were armed for to stand against.
Democrats in their allies argue that the Trump administration is
lurching towards authoritarianism, that the use of the National Guard
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and personnel to assist ice or clean up washingtonc is
a clear sign of the federal government's use misuse of
a standing army against the American people. So we have
to go to the Constitution. Where's that boundary? Where does
it lie? So when it comes to the government, what
they're allowed to do Article one, Section eight, federal government
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may use the militia in other words, national guard for
executing federal law domestically quell insurrection, repel invasion. That first
being where the National Guard was used to help Ice,
definitely applies. According Article for section four, the federal government
may use the militia to guarantee a state maintains the
republican form of government, to protect states from invasion, and
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with the approval of the state legislature or governor, when
the legislature cannot convene to quell domestic folence, which would
include rioting and general criminal activity. So the sing of
Trump's doing Washington, DC, fantastic. It's a federal property. You
want to do it in other states, you better get
permission from the legislature first. But the right to own,
have to keep, and bear carry, including concealed carry, according
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to the Founding Fathers, exists for citizens, not just for
personal protection, property detection, and hunting, but for participating and
standing against a tyrannical government when the government exceeds it's
constitutional limitations and only a use of arms can remedy
the situation. But the decoration all of independence also warns
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us don't do such things lightly quote. Prudence indeed will
dictate that government's long established should not be changed for
light and transient causes unquote. So the argument's being launched
right now against Trump's presidency. They said, well, you know
it's fascism, it's authoritarianism. Now, actually, what he's done is
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perfectly constitutional. Hang on to your arms, don't push just yet.
Use to the National Guard assist isis? I said a
moment ago. Article one, section eight, use of the militia
to execute the laws of the United States is okay.
Use of the National Guard to claim Ushing d C. Washington,
DC is a federal property. He can use the militia
for that. Use of national guarden cities for purposes other
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than federal law. Well, this is where the municipalities that
lie within the state territory. It must in order he
can send troops to protect federal properties. But all the
rest you need permission from the state's legislature. Or the governor.
If the legislature is unable to convene, the city has
no say in the matter. Now I agree, we must
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keep our powder dry whenever dealing with the federal government
and it's potential tyranny no matter who is in office,
and we have the right to keep them any firearm
or weapon as per our natural right to keep them
their arms. We are to be responsible though with that
the use of that are imprudent with that right, recognize
the government's role in our lives and not jump to
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potentially dangerous conclusions just because we ideologically disagree with the
politicians in charge, and due to our responsibility to preserve
and protect our republic, we have the right to be
armed with weapons that are equal to or exceed the
federal government's weapons. Can make no limiting the ownership of farms.
That said, as James Madison indicates, the federalists pay per
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number forty five. Our natural lights are a local issue,
so if any laws do need to be made regarding
firearm ownership, those laws may be made at the state level,
but even the states are required to recognize the right
to keep them. Broms is a natural right and there
is a line they are not supposed to cross, and
it is our responsibility to hold them accountable and make
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sure they don't cross that line. Allen, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Thank you, Doug. This whole idea of broadly interpreting a
contract bothers me. You read the contract, you understand it,
and you follow it. You don't broadly interpreted common use.
I'm sorry, that's not in the contractor now.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
And if you all the context, if you know the context,
that that's obvious.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
And you could use the term compact because the Constitution
was created by thirteen states coming together to agree to
behave a certain way and to create something new. But
if you just read the Second Amendment, would the way
it is written. One of the things that doesn't come
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up too often is they use the word arms. They
could have used guns, they could have used muskets, they
could have used cannon, they could have used all kinds
of words, but they used arms. I believe they used
that word because they knew it came from the Latin
word arma, and arma means weapons and weapons means everything.
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To give you an idea of how important this well
regulated militia is and the right to keep and bear
four states Virginia, pennsyl Maryland, and North Carolina. Wait I
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missing one. Okay, let's just go with no. I didn't
get all of them, but there are four states that
had constitutions prior to July fourth, seventeen seventy six. One
of them is Virginia. Virginia on section thirteen says that
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a well regulated militia, Oh, I have we heard that before?
This is in June seventeen seventy six. That's seventeen ninety one.
A well regulated militia composed of the body of the
people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe
defense of a free state. The whole purpose of the
militia is to protect the state, and who are they
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protecting it?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
From?
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Anything outside the state? This right to keep and bear.
In September seventeen seventy six, Pennsylvania got its constitution. The
people have a right to bear arms for the defense
of themselves and the state Constitution of Maryland. A well
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regulated militiaus the proper natural defense of free government. Getting
the idea, these people knew why they needed to be
able to keep and bear, and it was to be
able to protect the greater good their state. From any
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other state and or this new thing called the federal government.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
And following this recent shooting, David Hoague, who used to
be had the more hog whichever you want to say,
who used to have the DNC, he called Trump at
coward for not stripping Americans of their Second Amendment right,
so stripping them of their guns, confiscating guns and religious
attacks are up, anti religious tax errupture, I said, in churches,
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I mean, can't even just pass for legislature that basically
would ban public prayer. And I've got, you know, percentages
on how the the numbers have gone up. We've got
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let's see, I don't have it right in front of
four hundred and eighty five incidents recorded in twenty twenty
three against churches, four hund and fifteen in twenty twenty four.
You know I mean it. These these are up and
good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. And
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why is it up? Because we have a corrosive We
have corrosive behavior in a party, in an ideology that's
all about anger, rage and hate and Trump derangement syndrome.
Because of the run out of time, I'm gonna get
over to Gennis now for the last word here. You
got about three and a half minutes or what is
your thoughts about what I just talked about when it
comes to guns in the common use test.
Speaker 7 (52:07):
Well, like you say, common use is a a new
way of trying to lock down the Second Amendment. And
and they come up with phrases you know that sound
friendly and warm and all that, but they're insidious.
Speaker 6 (52:29):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (52:29):
They're trying to weaken and do all the things that
the founders uh wrote the Second Amendment for.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
And that's been well covered between.
Speaker 7 (52:41):
You know, you and Allen Uh. But David Hogg, you know,
is out of step and I hope his political career
just continues to tank. You know, he got fired as
the vice president of the d n c UH and yeah,
I know he had a traumatic time there, you know,
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with being involved.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
In the shooting at his school.
Speaker 7 (53:08):
But he's he's using that to ruin the future of
others because they don't see it right. It's basically the
same thing as what we were talking about with the tramps.
You know, they're trying to sell a bad idea and
they know who their enemy is because it's the general
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American public that has common sense and you're trying to
argue against common sense, and it will never ever when
an argument, it'll just keep the contentions there.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Well, and we have and we have a public that's
paying attention like never before.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
Well, they keep losing votes.
Speaker 7 (53:54):
You know, it's going to be hard for them to
prove how they win elections when you know, thirty forty
fifty of the younger group, the brown group, the black group,
you'll have left the Democratic Party, right.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
And I wrote and I talked about this last week.
I really do believe that it's possible, it's probably even
that the Democratic Party is going to go the way
of the of the Federan's Party and get to the
point where they came to win an election. But we'll see.
Because I've seen crazier things. I've seen the dead rise
from the grave, and I wonder if the Democrats are
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going to do that. And of course that would be
amazing to some, but they're so evil, you never know.
All Right, United, we stand combined, We kick butt. God
bless America and God bless you, my friends. We have
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Dennis before we go? Nope, go ahead, all right, how
about you al any final words and plug.
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