Constitution_Radio 12_06_2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
It is Saturday afternoon, one pm on the afternoon Saturday.
Welcome to the program. Appreciate that you're here. This is
Douglas Sphegibs, mister Constitution Constitution Radio. We have been on
the radio since August sixth of two thousand and eleven,
so we've been going for quite a while. We've been

(00:29):
with km T since twenty fifteen, so we've been this
marks right now, the let's think about this for a second.
I wasn't gonna do this fourteen years and four months
that we've been on AM radio. So glad to be here,

(00:50):
Glad you're here, and so and I'm not going to
miss any shows for a while. I've been doing some
traveling this year, largely because of speaking engagements. I've got
nothing more going on till April than in April for
a couple months. I'm gonna be out in Florida, and
then I think that's it for the year, except for

(01:10):
maybe I've got a Constitution event in a bunch of
the Constitution events in September, and I may do my
Independence Hall event that I normally do every year. I
may push it from May to closer to July fourth.
It just makes sense. But anyway, so I'm on my
way back from my latest trip this week. Left Monday,

(01:34):
got back yesterday afternoon. Last night, really, and my one
of my grandchildren, my grandson, my daughter's boy, plays the
jazz trumpet and he had a concert, so he actually
went all the way down there, went to his concert,
went to dinner with the family, and then left. I mean,

(01:56):
it was one of the quickest trips. On the way back,
we hit a Walmart in Eureka, California. This is yesterday,
and I'm a sports card fan and I had a
bunch of sports cards, foot baseball cards stolen about two

(02:18):
years ago. Didn't get any of them back, even though
the police claimed that they had gotten some of them
back from the guy who stole them, And so I'm
slowly rebuilding. Fortunately he what the guy stole was my
complete sets that were still in boxes and still in
so basic rap. So from what was it like two

(02:39):
thousand and four to two thousand and twenty three, And
so this Walmart, they had a couple of boxes twenty
twenty two and twenty twenty three on discount, like half
the price. It's like, how awesome is that? So I
purchased him and then boy I says, well, let me
watch you get some football cards too. So they had
these tops chrome football cards, and I like football cards,

(03:03):
and so I buy one of those, and and we
and along with whatever else we're buying at Walmart. We
we had gone there for a couple of other things
to pick up on the way home, and and and
this Eureka is probably about just under two hours from
my house. An hour and forty five minutes. It took
us over two hours only because there was some roadwork

(03:25):
and stuff. And we get out to the car and
I give my wife the receipt and she's looking at
and she says, hey, he charged you twice for the
football cards. Oh okay, well I'm sure he remembers it.
We'll I'll just get it put back on our car.

(03:45):
I take the receipt and to Walmart. I take you
to the cash The cashier guy he looks at it.
He's like, wow, yeah, it did you know it only
beaped once. I'm I'm I don't know what to say.
I'm speechless. So why I know what? You can say?
Here's your money back. He's like, well, actually there's no

(04:07):
refunds on sports cards. So I'm not asking for a refund.
I'm asking for the money back for a product I
didn't buy. That's not a refund. That's you owing me
money because you charged me for something I didn't purchase.
He says, no, it's no refund policy. And besides, even
if there was, I couldn't do it. You'd have to
go to customer service. Why don't you ask them talk

(04:27):
to them about it. So I get in line, and
I'm like number five, number six in line. So now
I'm going to get home later, which is ultimately probably
gonna you know, cost me something in some way. But
dogs are, you know, waiting patiently, probably wondering if we're
coming back ever again, because you know, the dogs are

(04:48):
not used to being left alone. And also no dogs
that are visiting. We gave them a big pin area,
put a bunch of puppy pads down because the dogs
that are was of a I was occupied, and uh,
I go And I finally get up to the customer
service person. She says, sorry, on sports cards, there's no

(05:09):
no refund, no exchange, no exceptions, said I did. I
don't want a refund. I want to be given back
my money for a product I did not buy. She said, sorry,
it's no exceptions whatsoever. It was literally a minute or
two after I walked out a store that I realized

(05:31):
I came in. I talked to the cash here, he's
my witness. She says, sorry, no refunds on cards, no
reason whatsoever is acceptable. You guys made the mistake and
I have to pay for something I didn't buy. Well,
I suppose we could give you a second deck or

(05:52):
second you know that package of cards. I didn't want
to I only bought one. I wanted one. Well, then
you then you'll I don't know, We'll talk to the manager.
So we go to the manager. Sorry, no refunds, no exception.
I don't want a refund. I want to be given

(06:13):
back my money for something I did not purchase. Doesn't matter.
It has to be caught before you swipe your card,
once the card swiped. No refunds. And I'm like, why, Well,
here in California, we've had issues and so it's a

(06:34):
it's a policy that's supported by California law. Okay, so
what do we do here? She says, Well, either you're
not gonna get any money back. I mean you could
you could complain to headquarters. Maybe after they review your case,

(06:56):
they may give you your twenty five bucks back, or
I can give you a second set of cards. I
didn't buy two sets of cards. Well, unless you want
to go through the route of trying to convince headquarters
giving you back in twenty five dollars, that's the only
way to resolve this. This is the stupidest thing I've

(07:17):
ever heard. My mind. I didn't you guys messed up.
I'm I wasn't outside more than a minute or two. Sorry,
no refund, no exception. So I got the second set
of cards. Turned out to be a good thing because
a hit a flashback card of Bo Jackson, and let's

(07:41):
see Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, and Charles Woodson. We're all
in that second set, so you know, being a Raider fan,
I'm not gonna complain too loud, but the principle here,
it blew my mind. So I looked it up. Turns
out Walmart had a policy in any state that allows

(08:05):
them to do this, no refund, no exception on sports cards.
The state that they first began able at doing that
in was California, because California they were having a problem
with people buying a box of cards unsealing them, unsealing

(08:25):
the packs, pulling out the best cards, replacing them with
useless cards, resealing it, and turning them back in for
a refund eventually if but the problem is in the beginning,
they could only do the no refund no exception law
or policy in California, because California is the only state
that didn't have in law that they weren't allowed to

(08:46):
do a new refund no exception option. Every other state
in the United States, while they can have a no refund,
they can't have no exception because there's always an exception
to the rule. Over time, a handful of other states
now have followed suit and change your laws so that

(09:08):
Walmart can have their no refund no exception across the country.
I don't know which states and all of it. This
is I spent like four hours last night researching this,
trying to figure it out if it was California's fault
or Walmart's fat fault. It's kind of both of their fault. Really,
it's the faults of the idiots who have been playing
this game of unsealing it, taking valuable cards, slipping common cards,

(09:33):
and then going back and getting the refund that's an
awful lot of work for a card that you're probably
gonna get if you just buy the whole set anyway.
But anyway, so, and I thought to myself, did not
the people who came up with this no refund, no
exception consider the possibility of a situation like mine where

(09:57):
the person didn't play that game. There's no way I
could have done with They called for open it slipcards,
and I mean I was outside maybe a minute or two.
What if I caught it after I flipped my car,
and I asked at one point, but I was still
in the store. No refund, no exception, even if I
was in their sight the whole time. They are not
allowed to give the refund. And they got to thinking

(10:21):
about it. This is the way the Left operates. We've
seen it before. It's like one of them that there's
these no exception type rules that they come across. The
one that came to mind is in a lot of
these nou you know, these gun free zones, there's no exception.

(10:42):
And there's this, well, there's this news story about this
kid at school in a gun free zone chewing his
piece of pizza into the shape of a gun and
then holding it and playing with it like it was
a gun. He got suspended for it because there's no exceptions.
No guns. This is the mentality and the unintended consequences.

(11:02):
They don't care because of their rules. If it's their rule,
it matters, and there's no exceptions. And then I got
to thinking of the broader picture. See, you have to
one hundred fit what they want. There's no exceptions. They
will cancel you if you even utter a word that's

(11:25):
outside their narrative. Just ask Senator Fetterman, and they will
hate you and do everything to destroy you if you
oppose them. Just ask President Donald Trump. No exceptions. You
are one thousand percent with them, or you're the enemy,

(11:47):
and you will be taken down, no exception. And it
amazes me because see, that's not how we're supposed to
operate in life. There are always these exceptions. There are
always different degrees of things. Say everyone while this gray area, Yes,
even I who believes right and wrong absolute on certain things,

(12:11):
there's always those exceptions. I'll give you an example where
people consider these exceptions. I don't think there are exceptions
on some of them. But so abortion, terminating a pregnancy
is wrong. It's sinful, it's murder. But there is an exception.
I've never said no exceptions. Why there is an exception?

(12:35):
Excuse me? If any child, for example, if the egg
plants in the fallopian tube, if that child grows the
full term, it'll kill both the child and the mother,
So that pregnancy has to be terminated to save somebody's
life in that case, the mother's life. There's your exception.

(12:55):
Even with abortion, there's an exception. I recognize that everything
has an exception somewhere, because see, when there's no exception
and there is no exception tolerated for any reason, that's
not liberty. That's a dictatorship. That's totalitarianism. My way here

(13:20):
in the highway. That is the political left in this country,
and that is their narrative. That and you hear about
it in the news all the times. Well, the unintended consequences.
They don't care about the unintended consequences because see, they
believe there are no such thing as consequences, because if

(13:42):
there's consequences, that needs to be a race somehow. Well,
abortion kills a baby, but it's not a consequence because
it's getting rid of the consequence of being promiscuous. For example,

(14:02):
this is what the left does Walmart, And of course
they're gonna get an email from me telling them how
ridiculous their rule is that even if I had caught
it on my receipt before I walked out the store,
and it was one thousand percent positive, I couldn't have

(14:26):
pulled what they were trying to guard against. According to
the manager, no refund, no exception even in that instance.
How idiotic is that? But then again, how idiotic is
the socialist commie left who are the real totalitarian authoritarians

(14:48):
when they believe that there's no exceptions, and because there's
no exceptions, if you disagree, they can cancel you. All right,
let's take a break. When we come back, Dennis Jackson
is with me, he'll give his response. Alan Myers is
not on the program with us. The man had a

(15:11):
surgery earlier this week, so put him in your prayers
as he works to hell. He's gonna miss today and
next Saturday. He plans to be back the saturday after that. Well, gosh,
siege see fifteen and then twenty second. Gosh, that's the
episode right before Christmas. Interesting, don't go anywhere, We'll be

(15:33):
right back.

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(18:54):
Welcome back Constitution radio a Dougraphy Gibbs. I am mister Constitution,
So that lasts a little bit. The social borg resistance
a futile. That's exactly what I'm talking about. No exceptions,
no resistance allowed, no questions. A matter of fact, our
engineer brought up another example of that, halle Berry. Well, gosh,

(19:15):
Governor Newsom vetoed such and such bill for women twice,
so I you know he's not gonna be president. How
dare you? How dare you not? You know, you know,
completely worship the one who's next. She'll be canceled. Dennis Jackson,

(19:38):
you had to leave a little early last week because
of road issues. Now Allen's not here, so you don't
have to fight for position as long as you could talk,
no refund, no exception. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Well, I really get frustrated with business, really big business,
small business.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
There's so much.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I'll just call it the word bureaucracy or procedures. And
if you want to keep your job, you follow the procedure, right,
you know, because if you don't follow the procedure, you know,
then you are now putting the company at risk. You're
doing something wrong.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
It's like the guy in the store that you know
is a clerk when somebody tries to rob him, and
rather than possibly gets shot, he is quick enough to
disarm the guy, you know, and you know he gets fired.
You hear a lot of.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
These because the policy you don't try to stop them.
And a great example of what you talked about, no
matter how egregious the policy is, you better follow.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
It was during COVID, yeah, you know, and and of
course the COVID is all proven after the fact that
you know, everything was wrong, right, you know, the six
foot didn't mean anything, you know, the masks didn't do anything.

(21:12):
The vaccination made things worse. Supposedly, if you were vaccinated
you couldn't give it, but once you were vaccinated, you
were weakened and you were more prone to get it,
and it just went I mean, everything was just totally
upside down and backwards, you know, and you know, we

(21:33):
still have consequences.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
From that right now, you know, I just.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't know. I'm just stunned that people can't look
at something and just say, yeah, this is what is right.
You know, we overcharged you. You know, you are not
returning anything. You're not refunding anything. We thought we only
build you once, we build you twice. So this should
not be defined as a refund. It should be, you know,

(22:03):
an overpayment, which you know, you could call that a refund,
but it's not the technical where you're bringing something back
customer return, showing that you've bought it, you know, showing
that you haven't destroyed it, you know. And I've seen

(22:25):
this in stores and banks, you know, my bank. You know,
I'll get to check made out to me and I'll
endorse it over to my business account because it's business related.
But it didn't get made out to my business. And
I've been doing that, you know, for years, off and on.
Dennis Jackson on the back, I ride on it, you know,

(22:46):
payable too. I'll put my corporate name down, I'll sign
my name, you know, for the front of the check,
and no problem.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Two weeks ago, I was in the bank, I tried
to do that, and they said they can't do that.
I said, I just did this last last week. Every
time I talked to you guys, we have a debate,
it always goes through. There's never a problem. So they
had me change the front of the check. Instead of

(23:16):
being made out to Dennis Jackson, I had to write
or and then I wrote my business name in and
I said, I'm not allowed to write on the face
of the check. I'm gonna allowed to indorse on the
back of the check. And now I'm afraid that the
check is going to go back to the bank, and
then the bank's going to say they modified the check,
and then they're gonna, you know, say that there was

(23:38):
fraud on the check. So you know, I've I just
don't understand. You know, you would think in this day
and age that you know, you wouldn't have procedures and
bureaucracy to where you know, you worship that.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, that's the rule, no deviation, no exception.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
And Fetterman, you know, he's standing somewhat tall. And it's
funny the thing with Holly Berry. You know, she got
up and as you know, she spoke to the whole
audience and Gavin was due up later, and she eviscerated him,
and then they called Gavin, and Gavin had already talked

(24:25):
to her manager and he said, oh, I'm talking to her.
He said, we're probably gonna put it in next year's bill.
You know, she's overreacting, so now he's he's already getting
rid of, you know, the attack on him. That it's
just premature, just a matter of timing. So who knows,

(24:46):
you know, no one takes responsibility for anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Members of the Members of the View said he wasn't
vetowing the bill. He was vetowing that it didn't have
all the parts he wanted in it, or something like that.
And that may very well be true, but that's not
the point of it. That everybody misses the whole point.
The whole point was how dare you, how dare you
have any deviation whatsoever from whatever the Democrat leadership does,

(25:11):
any of them, And if you do and you look
into what they're doing, you question them, You question you know, elections,
you know you're an insurrectionist. You question whether or not
money was being stolen from the taxpayers and sent to
Somalia in Minnesota, You're a racist, They're not questioned anything.

(25:34):
Just do what you're told, because we said so. The
bureaucracy rules, no exceptions. Yeah, all right, very good. Now
here's the one I was kind of jazzed about talking about.
So the the the United States Supreme Court is looking

(25:58):
like they are going to take the case regarding the
executive order by President Donald Trump titled Protecting the Meaning
and Value of American Citizenship, which he signed back in
January twentieth, twenty twenty five, on inauguration day. One of
the first things he did, and he referenced a legal

(26:23):
case which does talk about natural born citizenship. And you
need to dread Scott versus Stanford or Stanford eighteen fifty seven,
along with the other law, past laws, and things like that,
which are established to mirror the language of the Fourteenth

(26:48):
Amendment's citizenship clause and the original intent based on the
congressional testimony of the authors of that particular clause way back,
tearing the debates in Congress way back in eighteen sixty six,
eighteen sixty seven, in eighteen sixty eight. And I'm interested

(27:14):
on how it's gonna go. I'm curious because we know
that the lower courts have been killing it for those
of you who don't know what I'm talking about. Basically,
this idea of birthright citizenship, which is not in law anywhere,
It's never been judicated at any time. It is something

(27:36):
that came up because particular members of our leadership, bureaucracy, politicians, whatever,
have determined it to be.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
So.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Birthright citizenship is the guarantee of citizenship to pretty much
anyone born in the United States, except in rare instances
such as maybe the children of a diplomat or something
like that. He wrote in order to say not people
born in the United States to persons who have entered

(28:07):
this country illegally or are in this country temporarily like
they're on vacation or here as a student or something
like that, are not citizens. They are birthlight citizenship does
not apply to those people because of not only that

(28:28):
dread Scott case, but the intent of the language of
the citizenship clause, the language of the ruling, and a
judicial opinion of the Wong Kim Mark case in eighteen
ninety eight, of which the people who support birthlay cistenship
claim that's their authority, and in reality, if you read

(28:51):
the ruling, it's the opposite and then we can even
go to the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six,
which is the one thing that's not being brought up
in all of this. It's not brought up in the
Executive voter, it's not brought up in what I've seen
on the Supreme Court SCOTUSblog dot com site, which also

(29:14):
says that you're that you're you're you're not You're not
a citizen if you're born in the United States, if
you're subject to a foreign power, meaning that you know,
you're too young you're born to decide what you're subject to,
and your parents are subject to a foreign power, you're

(29:34):
subject to a foreign power. That's what the Civil Rights
Act of eighteen sixty six means, and its language was
what the framers of the citizenship clause in the Fourteenth
and Amendment drew from. So I have been sending emails

(29:59):
to the President his legal team of what email addresses
I can figure out and find out, imploring them to
bring up the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six.
Its language is clear. It's the best example. Steven Miller
may have already talked about this to that team. He's

(30:22):
pretty up on things when it comes to constitutionalism. We'll see.
So the court has decided. The Supreme Court of the
United States has decided it will hear all arguments early
next year regarding this topic. So we won't know until

(30:43):
after the new year. And the United States is is
one of only thirty countries in the world that offer
automatic citizenship if you're born here. The uh, the rest

(31:03):
of the country's the world don't do it that way.
There's some strict rules just like we have, but we're
not recognizing the fact is while those who are suing
Trump says, and the Ninth Circuit Court says, who was

(31:24):
the last court to hear this case, that his executive
order is a valid because it contradicts the plane language
of the Fourteenth Amendments rantom citizenship to quote all persons
born than I States is shut subject to the jurisdiction
there have unquote that last part subject to the jurisdiction
there there have. If you don't just do a plane
language reading, but you actually dig into the context, you

(31:49):
will find that that ruling was in error. It is wrong.
So after the first of the year spring Court's gonna
hear the case. Any thoughts about this, mister Jackson, Well.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
This is a kind of near and dear you know,
our our hearts.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Doug, absolutely, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
You know, we we went after Kamala you know over this,
and I think our court case issues that we brought
up significant evidence prior hearings and all of this as.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
To what you know it meant to be.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Naturally born, uh that you know, citizens begets citizens, all right,
and uh, puppies have puppies and you know, bears have
little baby bears. And if you're not a citizen, you
can't give birth to a citizen, you know. I mean
it's like begets.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Like if they go through the process, and that's right,
that's right.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
And if they go through all the procedures and they
uh study and they do all that stuff, and they
pass the tests and they they make the oath, and they.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
They give up an.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
You know, they give up.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Their citizenship from wherever else they're from, right, you know,
you know, then they can be an American. And then
once once they've done that, if they find a spouse
who's also done that, you know, then they can have
children that are citizens. Now. You know, if you're a
citizen and your wife isn't and you have a child,

(33:39):
you know, then you know, the child probably going to
be a citizen. But you know, you know, we can
tap on the dance on the top of a pin,
you know, with a bunch of lawyers to try to
you know, figure that out. But you know, I find
it interesting that, you know, when we were doing the
lawsuit way back when you know, George handed out, you know,

(34:01):
some articles.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
And the one that he handed out to me and
I read was really good. It was like twenty five.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Pages long, you know, just copy paper article, but in
it it takes us all the way back to Sparta Grief,
you know, Rome, and it said that when the United
States was founded, there were no citizens anywhere. It had
been two thousand years since there were citizens, you know,
So the US didn't the US didn't create this and

(34:31):
resurrect the concept the citizen. They didn't use the word
of citizen and then natural born citizen in the constitution
just casually willy nilly, thinking it's all the same.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
And they weren't giving him out for free to you know,
like playing hide and seek Alli Ali Oxen. Everybody come
in free, you know, whoever comes across the border, you
know and drops the baby. You know, you're now a
full citizen in the United States, no honor. You know,
it's something that you have to have by birthright or

(35:05):
it is something you have to earn on your own,
you know. And you know these baby factories where people
come in from China and Asia and they come in
and they give birth there and then two weeks later
they go back to China, but they gave birth in California. Therefore,
you know, their babies are Americans. And then they can
come back in fifteen or twenty years as a citizen,

(35:26):
you know, and have all the rights to go to college.
You know.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
No, that's not the deal. And you know the Supreme
Court doesn't get this one right. You know, I just
don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I mean, we have some big issues. But you you
brought something interesting because the our case regarding Kamala and
for those of you who are not familiar with it,
Conscerti Association at Tow versus Kamala Debbie Harris and December seventh,

(35:58):
what was the year two thousand twenty and that case
was specifically questioning natural born citizen. But in the case
we mentioned that she may not even be a citizen
based on the language of the fourteenth Amendment. And when
I say may not, she is not. But I use
that language because that's how you would have addressed the

(36:20):
court with it. But this case, if you read the
executive order, it strips birthright citizenship from those who are
children of illegal aliens or those here temporarily. Both of
Kamala Harris's parents were here temporarily as students. Now they

(36:42):
did later on pursue immigration, but at the time, as
far as any they were here laterly. So this case
could actually strip Kamala ex post facto of her citizens.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Well, you were saying that you're you're saying that they
pursued immigration. You meant to say that they pursued citizenship.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
No, pursued immigration to be here permanently.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Oh yeah, but they ultimately became a citizen.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
But my point is, if you read the eighteen ninety
eight one kim Mark case, if you're the child of
someone who's pursuing immigration, that's a good enough signal of
falling under the full jurisdiction thereof. So you have so
if you have two permanent residents who have not become citizens,
but they've gone through the process to be permanent residents.

(37:40):
In other words, they're not leaving there. They're not. They
don't have allegiancy where else, and this is their stop
until maybe someday they do become citizens. That's good enough
to satisfy.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
And so that's what I mean. So when they were here,
when the parents and Kamala Harris were here, they were students.
There was no paperwork drawn for immigration. There was no
paperwork because you can't you can't apply for citizenship until
you're proof of immigration first. Anyway, you have to be
an immigrant first. You have to be given the permanent
residency first. Once you do that, then you can apply

(38:16):
for citizenship. That it's like a two step process typically.
But my point is there was no paperwork at all
showing anything other than that they were here temporarily on
student visas, both of them. So Kamala Harris was born
in Oakland to two people here on student visas who

(38:39):
at that time had shown no indication whatsoever citizenship, immigration, anything,
that they planned to be here longer than the semesters
they were going to be at that school. So, and
that's what his executive order addresses. Is that executive order,

(39:00):
if you read it, says the children of illegal aliens
or temporary visitors. If you're here on a student visa,
you have drawn no paperwork whatsoever regarding immigration, then you
are for all intensive purposes here temporarily until you change that.

(39:23):
They did change it and pursued immigration in one of them,
I think it was her father, then pursued citizenship. The
other one didn't become a citizen. But nonetheless, even if
you have to show something, you have to show something
that you plan to be here longer than temporary immigration paperwork,

(39:45):
you know, extensions, citizenship whatever. They were here on student
visas that expired when their schooling was done period, so
they were here temporarily. So their child, Kamala Harris, was
born to two persons who were here temporarily. That's like
me going on vacation with my wife to some country.

(40:07):
We're there temporarily, we don't plan to stay there longer
than our vacation. If you have a child while you're
on vacation, you're there temporarily. Your kid's not a citizen
of that country. Your kid is a citizen of the
country you have allegiance to that you are subject to
the power of as the eighteen sixty six Civil Rights
Act would word it. And that's where I'm interested in

(40:32):
what happens here because the implications could be much farther
reaching than people realize. If the Supreme Court of the
United States rightfully rules in favor of Donald J. Trump
and his executive order saying that you're not a citizen

(40:53):
due to birthlay citizenship if you're the child of an
Illegalalian or someone who is here temporarily. Any other questions
or comments are fine.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Who I'm just wondering about all the people who think
that they're citizens because they were born here, you know,
and they're voting. Are they going to go in and
tell them that, you know, you need to register, you
need to go through citizenship.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
And then there's an issue with the dream what they
call the dreamers.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
Yeah, well, so do we just so we just throw
them out or do we now say, well, this uh
is from now here forward?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's grandfather back BIRTHA says grandfather back. I don't know,
and and the courts and legislature we're gonna have to
figure that out. But if the courts rule against him,
then you know, you have to find a court that's
willing to rule that someday in the future and follow

(41:57):
the Constitution.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Well, you should have signed up into our lawsuit and
he would have had standing and we could have got
this thing settled ye before it.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Got to this gotcha. So there is a newspaper called
The Village News in the Temechula area and Fallbrook, North
County area of San Diego, and so I think it
was three weeks ago, or maybe a little bit longer ago,

(42:28):
there have been a gentleman that paper who had written
an article that hammered on Charlie Kirk and quote unquote
Christian nationalism. So I wrote a response to that article
and sent it the paper and put it on political
Pistachio Douglas E gifts dot com. Go to the blog

(42:50):
and I think we talked about it a week or
two ago to yeah, something like that. Well he responded
and basically told me he told the paper, but it
was directed that me mentions my name, and his response
that you know, the founding fathers believed in a separation
of church or state. The fact that I mentioned that

(43:12):
when the Bill of Rights was ratified, that nine churches
still had established churches not only did not confirm anything
along the lines that they wanted established churches at the
state level, but that all those states got rid of
their established religion during the early eighteen hundreds, which proves
that the federal government, through the First Amendment, ordered them

(43:35):
compelled them to get rid of their state churches, which
all of that is false. So I responded, and so
I'm going to go over that real quick. We got
about fifteen minutes for the program, actually about twelve minutes
for the program's over. I'm go over that real quick,
and then we'll see what your thought is. So the
English colonies did, especially in the North, it did begin

(43:57):
based on religious freedom. The Mayflower came because they were
feeing the tyranny of the Church of England and the
Church of England and the and the divine right of kings,
you know, you know, working together, and it was tyranny.
In seventeen ninety one, the Bill of Rights was ratified
by the States, and in that amendment, Congress shall make

(44:18):
no law respected and establishment of a religion was to
combat against that happening here. But it says Congress shall
make it does not apply to the states. This idea
of a corporation to the states didn't even appear until
the fourteenth Amendment. It is not even a true accurate,
but we'll going to all that some other time. Then

(44:39):
it says in that same first Amendment, nor prohibiting the
free exercise they're up. Congress can't make a law prohibiting
the free exercise. The language was clear specific the United
States Congress federal government had no authority from the beginning
to make getting law establishing a countrywide federal, federally blessed
state church, and Congress coudn' passing laws prohibiting free exercise

(45:00):
of religion. That last part, getting back to the you know,
given a partial nod to the country's foundational concept of
a religious freedom. The clause did not apply to the states.
The Bill of Rights did not apply to the states. Originally,
according to those who want to argue incorporation, the fourteenth

(45:22):
Amendment did do that, But even the most liberal leftist
historians will tell you at that time the Bill of
Rights did not apply to the states. The states had
to make their own decision, not because the founding fathers
one of the states to still have established churches, but
because they were respecting state sovereignty. So what I'm saying

(45:47):
is contrary to what my lefty buddy writer or whatever.
The religion News says states supported religions were not necessarily
approved of. They were not, but the states did indeed
eventually eliminate all of their established religions within a duration
of the ratification of the Bill of Rights on their own,
not because the federal government ordered them to or because

(46:07):
it said so in the Bill of Rights. The Founders
approved of the Bill of Rights applying to the federal
government but not to the states, not because they wanted
established churches and states, but because they respected the concept

(46:29):
of state sovereignty, which is, they believed in localism, leaving
local issues in the hands of the states, and this
was discussed in seventeen eighty seven Constitucial Convention. Not only
did they not believe in trampling on state sovereignty, they
knew that the states would never ratify the Constitution nor

(46:50):
the Bill of Rights if that was the case, if
they were allowing the federal goverment to stomp on state sovereignty.
And no Founding father ever used the term separation of
church and state, except Thomas Jefferson and a letter of
the Danbury Baptist in eighteen oh one which he explained
what he meant by a wall of separation of church
and state, meaning that religion was a state issue. The

(47:11):
federal government had no authority to dictate to a state
what they did regarding religion, not because they're trying to
preserve the state church, but because they believed in preserving
state sovereignty. And Alexis state tofil would later comment when
he came to America, religion in America takes no part
in the government of society, but it must be regarded

(47:32):
as the first of their political institutions. I do not
know whether all Americans have a sincere faith in their religion,
for who can search the human heart, but I am
certain that they hold it to the be indispensable to
the maintenance of Republican institutions. And now let's address this
Christian nationalism thing. Today's Christians largely hold to the ideas

(47:56):
that I just gave you, and that America was founded
upon a solid christ foundation, that the faith of the
founding fathers is not only an important part of the
structuring of the country's constitution and governmental system, but that
a separation of powers not only existed among the three
branches of government, but between the states and the federal
government as well. So the states faith. Religion is a

(48:22):
state issue. It's up to them, not Federgumma can't make
any laws. As for this idea of Christian nationalism, that
is the progressive leftist code for theocracy. They want you
to believe that Christians want to go back to a
theocratic type system. Of course, they support Islam, which is theocratic.
That's beside the point this idea of Christian nationally this

(48:45):
idea that Christians want theocracy, is an idea cooked up
in the minds of the political left due to their
hatred or perhaps fear of Christianity. No reasonable Christian holds
any view that a theocracy with religious leaders running the
government is even remotely a good idea, much less in
aligning with the principles of our constitutional republic. But that

(49:07):
doesn't mean the opposite is true, either, that we have
a strictly secular government that has the authority to crush
any notions of faith rearing its head in the halls
of government or any notions of political speech being spoken
from the pulpit. The Founders intended for this country to
be deeply religious, where Christians were bold leaders in the

(49:30):
shaping of the culture and influential in the public square.
Christianity in America is originally intended to be involved in
the shaping of public morality and civic virtue without becoming
a tool of government nor erased from the hearts of
American leaders. Spiritual vitality has long been at the foundation

(49:51):
of this country, and the founders expected the citizens to
influence the culture and for Christianity to guide the conscience
of the politicians and the convictions of the pastors, without
either institution dominating the other. Christianity is supposed to be
an active part of American society, and as an active
part of American society, it is essential to preserve the

(50:15):
principles of the Constitution are moral compass and the true
essence of what liberty is truly about. That's why constitution
must be a part of our system, because those three
things constitutions are moral compass and liberty die without it.
All right, Dennis, what's your thoughts about religious freedom, church

(50:37):
estate and all that jazz.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Quite well, you know, there were great debates, you know,
between the House and the Senate and all of that.
You know, when they did the Constitution as to the
small states versus the big states, and you know, the
agrarian states and the Electoral College, and you know, you
can see how the compromises were woven together to try

(51:10):
to give everybody the spirit of what was fair and
the Christian application. As you're saying, those principles that are foundational.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
To the character and.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
The support of law and the morality of the country
is uniquely American. I mean, there's no real question about that.
You know, just take a look at the other churches,
the Protestant Reformation, you know, all that stuff that happened

(51:53):
over in Europe, you know, with Martin Luther and all
the people pounded on the door, and you know the
persecution that was going on. You know, if you were
a person who wanted to live according to the dictates
of your own conscience, you could not do that in England.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
You could not do that in Germany, you could not
do that in Italy.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
You know, they were lockstepped and people had to flee.
They came to America, you know, so that they could
you know, be themselves. And the founders understood it, and
I think they did a great job of putting it together.
But you know, people today they are trying to rewrite

(52:36):
what they meant. They're trying to twist things into things
that they are not. I agree with you that the
average Christian guide doesn't want the pastors all of a
sudden to take over, you know, all the politics and
the pastors, you know, they're they're they're far left, a
far right, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So there's no.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Common real ground here. I mean, all as they're open,
but everybody needs to be heard. And the government, federal
government constitution, you know, they did have enumerated powers, and.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
It talks about how if in the Tenth Amendment that
you know, if it's if it's.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Not enumerated or not not delegated, that the powers go
to the states and to the citizens. And so in
regard to uh, this First Amendment deal, they left the
states alone. You know, when when Jefferson got done, he

(53:44):
went home to his home state, he went home to Virginia.
He had to live there, you know, and so, uh,
it's kind of like the football guy with old miss
you know, the athletic director says, hey, I got to
live here, you know, I got to keep the locals happy,
you know. So, uh, I like you, I'm very intrigued,

(54:10):
and I hope it comes down very very clearly and
strongly and you know at least five if not six,
you know, uh, supporting that executive order. And if they
were really honest, I mean it could go nine zero.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
You know. But you're talking about my citizenship one. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
But and that's the reason why the Civil Rights Active
Mateen sixty six is so important and should be included
in the conversation. And I think Steven Miller has mentioned
that before. I know, he's basically one of the top
consults of Trump when it comes to constitutional issues. No,
I don't believe they're constitutionalists like I am. I don't

(54:49):
think Trump understands the Constitution like I do. And I
you know, through my my correspondence, I try to hit
in the right direction. We'll see what happens. We're out
of time, Dennis, thank you for joining me today. As always, audience,
thank you for being here. You catch us every Saturday
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