August 16, 2025 • 43 mins
Scott Miller sits down with Chris Byrum and Chris Shirley to talk all things Baylor. From the return of the iconic chrome helmets to the history of Baylor’s green and gold, the conversation celebrates what makes the Bears’ identity so special. The trio looks ahead to the season opener against Auburn, breaking down the loss of Dawson Pendergrass, the depth at running back, offensive firepower, and concerns in the secondary. They also tackle Baylor’s brand battles, the interlocking BU, and what it all means for the future of Baylor athletics. Packed with nostalgia, insight, and plenty of laughs, it’s a must-listen for every Baylor fan!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another edition of My Conversation with the Chris Is.
I'm Scott Miller. Joined joining me is Chris Byronman, Chris Shirley.
The Chrome Domes are back, Chris Shirley. When you saw
the news that Baylor's bringing back a version of the
Chrome Dome, were you excited?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh? Super excited. I mean this is something that we
as Baylor fans have been wanting, you know, for years
since the Originals went away. So yeah, absolutely excited and
maybe even more ready for the season.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah. And Byron, I mean that that video with Bryce
Petty coming out there. Man, I was ready to run
out on the field and play for the Bears, and
that would not go well, I'll just put it that
way back. How excited are you?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, Scott at our age, you would be rough.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
For us, We would really be rough.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, but yeah I am. And it's interesting though thoughts
I had on the on the chrome lids. You know,
they aren't the It depends on the lighting. So I'm
really looking forward to seeing them live in two weeks.
But they seem a little darker gold than the mustard yellow.
(01:17):
They're not quite the old gold, but still they seem
a little darker. But you know, I am trying to
be very careful because I have had a habit of
many years of getting way too excited for the season
and then having my hope. And I am an experienced
Baalor fan and I have experienced this many times. So
(01:40):
I'm trying to really keep and even kill and just
hope for the best. But yeah, I am looking forward
to these first couple of games because I think we're
going to learn a whole lot about this team really fast.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, you know, and I want to just take a
moment at the start of this posts and you know,
talk about the uniforms because I always think part of me,
it's it's funny bunch of grown men wanting to know
what a bunch of you know, eighteen to twenty four
year olds are going to wear. I mean, if you
think about the irony of it, just how hilarious it is.
(02:16):
We get excited over the over the uniform. But I
just wanted for those who are not, you know, Baylor fans,
I think we needed to take a moment as to
why this is so meaningful to us. And you know,
surely when you think about the years you were a
student at Baylor, how good was a football team.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
We had one winning football season and my four years.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
There, and that was my freshman year, Chuck Reedy, Grady Ball.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, so you you came in kind of ushering in
the Big Twelve, and you know, I just think about
those dog years of the early years of the Big Twelve.
So when you know, Art Briles came on and started
to build winning football. I think these uniforms and you
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guys tell me what you think Byromill kick it to
you first, But I think these uniforms in a way
kind of represent that season, those years of winning back
to back Big Twelve championships, those years of coming out
there and just dominating people offensively. Also, I'm not playing
very good on the defensive side of the ball. We
can talk about that. But isn't that kind of this
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is like you just remember those years. Those were exciting
times to be a Bears fan.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah. I think it's I think it's a purposeful throwback
just and I think it kind of is a throwback
to the excitement that's in the program. This is from
what I've heard. This has been in the work for
two or three years, but they really wanted to wait
until they were confident in what they had on the field,
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and so I think there is there is a very
real confidence in what's going going on on that field
right now. So let's hope it carries forward. You know,
It's always interesting for me because this was the first
week of school, and when I do my get to
(04:13):
know Mister Byron video or slide show, I always have
historical pictures, and I have an historical picture of the
first NFL Championship game that was outdoor in nineteen thirty three,
and I always point out that, you know, they had
one jersey, they wore it all year. Everybody in the
stands are in suit and ties, nobody's wearing jerseys, and
(04:35):
it just we just talked about how much things have changed,
and I think that Baylor is going to be wearing
four different three or four different home jerseys this year,
and when you think about that, it's just amazing how
much things have changed. And I think we're going to
put on two or three different lids for the year too,
(04:57):
So it just kind of blows my mind. And yes,
here we are a bunch of grown men and we're
getting all giddy because we're going with chrome lids, and
you know, yeah, I can't wait. I really can't wait.
I'm just trying not to get my level up so
high that I just disappointed again.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That is that is funny. So when you look at
the chrome lid, surely this new darker version versus the
you know, call it the shinier version that was displayed
during the Brills years, do you have a preference at
this point jury still out?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, as you guys know, we've undergone a color scheme change, right,
So we used to have the you know, more traditional
gold in our uniforms when when Brows was there, and
that's why, you know, the original chrome looked a little
bit more like a traditional gold look, right, and now
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we have kind of the mustard yellow, mustard gold whatever,
not really yellow, I guess it's more gold, whatever you
want to call it. It's a different color. It's a
different shade. Right, So it looks to me, just from
pictures I've seen online that you know, this this chrome
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two point zero version, you know, looks it looks to
be fairly close for a you know, for a chrome
look to our our current, our current you know, mustard gold,
mustard yellow, whatever it does.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We have and we've talked about the uniforms. You know,
I think all of us agree that the that the
gold that you and Balor's argued when they rolled it
rolled out the new uniforms. So this is really has
always been the official color. We just got away from it.
Now we're going back to it. I don't know, I'm
not a you know, byrom near this story, and you
can debate.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That I've actually done a deep dye into this. As
far back as you can tell, Baylor has always been
green and gold, but it looks like in the thirties
we did wear mustard yellow and that's what we considered gold.
It was in the late forties early fifties that we
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really switched to that classic kind of kelly to dark green,
old gold look. And we always had the gold lids.
And when it changed for the first time is when
Bill Bill got here, which there's a name of infamy,
but he wanted us to look like Lsu, so we
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went to white lids with a gold stripe in a
really kind of lime green look. And then when Taff
got here, he went back to the old gold in
the kelly green and we kept that forever. And it
wasn't until Brill's came that we started doing all the
unique jerseys. So the mustard yellow is a throwback to
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the thirties, but it really isn't the traditional look. The
traditional look has been the old gold. So I'm like
I said, the lighting, it's it's definitely a cross. I'm
hoping it's getting a little bit away from that mustard
yellow and a little bit more back to the old gold.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I read an article once is you know history as
to how Baylor chose their colors, and so maybe you
can shine some light on this. You guys can either
you know, confirm this or you know, tell me I'm crazy.
But it had to do with, you know, the color
of the fields around Waco, and I'm thinking, you know,
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when you see like I don't want to say, you know,
wild flowers that kind of grew kind of the green
and yellow you see in the wide you know, the
flowers you see in central Texas. And if that's the case,
that is more of a yellow color than I don't
know of any you know in nature, gold coming out
(09:03):
in flowers. Is that what you've heard, Birom, Is that
kind of the story behind why they chose the colors.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It has a little bit to do with it. It
was a student vote. They voted on the mascot, which
thank god they chose bears because some of the other
ones were just off the wall.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
A close second, right.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Buffaloes were a close second. Yeah, if I remember correctly,
we could have been the Baylor Buffaloes, and I'm really
glad we didn't go that route. But I think the
students also voted, and I think that definitely was kind
of consideration. You know, let's go with the natural look.
(09:42):
But like I said, in the forties, they just I
really think the coaches that came in decided we want
to have more of a classy, classic look, and that
old gold was a classic look, and it just stuck.
And I think that's why so many people got frustrated
with the mustard yellow, and you know, because we had
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been doing it for so long and I still having
problem a little bit. I'm over it, but I miss
the classic old gold lids because to me, you saw
those and you immediately thought they.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Were, Yeah, what's interesting about this this gold we're going
with Shirley. And this is the part that always is like,
you know, again here we are talking about this as
grown men, but it's like I see that color on
the field, you know, on the on the AstroTurf, and
I think it looks great. It looks very classic. I
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like it. I see that color on the on the
green jerseys as an accent color. I think it looks sharp.
It pops. I see them come out in the full
yellow banana. I don't like it at all. It just
seems like it's a better accent color, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I would agree with that. Yeah it did. We kind
of looked like the Savannah bananas out there. Uh we're
wearing the thing, the single uh single gold you know,
uniforms top and bottom whatever. So, but yeah, I agree.
I think it looks a whole lot better as an
accent color. And I didn't particularly just love it when
it first came out, but it's grown on me and I,
(11:20):
you know, I kind of I kind of like it now.
I tell you what what I loved was when basketball
this last year rolled out the gold uniforms with the
green Baylor script, Like that looked really sharp and obviously
basketball jerseys don't have near as much material to them,
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you know, but those those looked really short. That's probably
my favorite Baylor basketball uniform now is the is the
gold with the with the green Baylor script. But and
I you know, we did this the one campaign right
because we had all of these several years ago, because
we had all the all the you know, the football team,
(12:07):
we were like Oregon when Brows was here, right, we
had literally a different uniform that we wore every single week,
a different combination. I actually loved that. Like there there
was some of my favorite ability uniforms ever were during
you know that that era, and you had basketball with
the I don't really miss the highlighter yellow you know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That basketball used to used to wear.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But we did this one campaign to try to bring
you know, every team would look the same, would have
the same, you know, colors, regardless of you know, whether
it was a green or a gold or a white,
you know, whatever it was. So I kind of get that.
But I do miss the days when when at least
for our football team had some really unique and really
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cool looking color combinations in their uniforms. And I think
we're we've kind of slowly, you know, we're kind of
I don't know that we're going to go back to that,
but this is a step, you know, I think, in
that direction, and I love it. I can't I can't
wait to see them in person.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Listening to you guys, it made me realize that here's
the big change forever at Baylor University, and this is
true at universities across the country, and it's a shift
in how college sports overall is changing because college sports
now is more of a brand. But it just in
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hearing you guys talk, it's like at Baylor University up
until they did this last change and the one look,
it was really up to the head coach of whatever
sport was taking the court or taking the field as
to what the uniform looked like. Because you said yourself,
byrom you know, Bill Bell wanted this, and then Grant
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Taff wanted that. We said Art Brows wanted this, and
you know, and all of a sudden, so now it's
no longer the head coaches that are making the decision.
It's the marketing department of the university that says, no, no, no,
these are our colors, these are your options picked from that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, it has completely changed, and the reason is marketing.
I can take you back into the forties at the
University of Pittsburgh where they had a head coach come
in and completely change the color scheme because he liked
the colors from his old university. Coached that and they
went from blue and gold to something like red and white,
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and it lasted for two years and that was it.
But I can take you as far back as Baylor
was wearing the highlighter slash mustard yellow basketball jerseys back
when Jim Haller was the basketball coach in the eighties.
And Haller did it, kid you not, He did it
because he could wear that on both home and the road,
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and so he just had one uniform and he thought
that lessened some of the confusion that could you know,
somebody could grab the wrong uniform by accident, which that
happened to us in high school. But that's a different story.
But it it went back that far to where we
did it. But now it is because jersey sales are
a big deal. And I guarantee you the NFL is
(15:17):
not having throwback jerseys because let's honor our past. They're
having throwback jerseys because we could sell more jerseys.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Absolutely. Yeah, the NFL is so coordinated like they you know,
if you pay attention, every coach on the sideline wears
the same scheme on a particular Sunday so we talk
about it, you know, from the college level because we're
passionate about our team. But then you turn on the NFL.
It's like NFL is rolling out this type of hat
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and all of a sudden, every single head coach has
that hat on, but just with their particular colors. And
I think that's hilarious. Like imagine being a coach in
the NFL, Like, you know, the league says, Okay, this
is the hat you're going to wear, you know, this week.
Now they'll have the variations of it. Shoddy will have
his you know, his visor on versus a cab. But
you watch it, and it happens happens, you know, every
(16:09):
week in the NFL. Which surely this whole talk about
marketing and consistency, it kind of leads to my next topic,
and then we're going to get into x's and o's,
I promise you. But you know something that that Baylor
has also done in recent years as they've made their
logo more consistent, they did a little modern take and
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they said the official logo of Baylor University will be
the interlocking be You. For the longest time, that was
the logo for the athletic department but the university used
a different logo. They said, we're going to be more consistent.
We're gonna have that interlocking be you in every letterhead,
every press release, everything you see. So you're driving down
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the highway, see a billboard sign talking about academics, it
still has that interlocking be you. Then a story came
out this week that Boston University, not their athletic department,
not the university themselves, but basically their their sports, their
club sports they have there on campus, has started to
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use a red interlocking BU that looks very similar to
the old BU before. Baylor refreshed it in the red colors,
and I've seen it in black and pink, and they're
selling it on their official bookstore website. And Baylor has
filed a lawsuit. What what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, I mean it's an absolute ripoff of of the
BU interlocking BU that we that we used to have.
You know, like you said before, we before we kind
of tweaked it a little bit. I mean, this even
made up. We watch when we can just you know,
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local local news and Channel eight news even did a
story on this this week because it was funny. I mean,
you got guys, on there that none of none of
which went to went to Baylor, you know, and they
were like, that's exactly the same logo and just different colors,
you know, And so that was kind of interesting heard
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about that this week.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Some of the comments on social media buyerm. Of course
people out there like to poke fun at the private universities.
Is like one comment I read was, you know, two
universities no one even heard about fighting each other, you know,
two private universities. Of course that's not the case. People
have heard of both Boston University and Baylor University. Do
you think you know what's the look here for Baylor?
(18:41):
I remember before you answer that question. Now, I went
to Howard Payne University and our little fraternity we had
the mascot of a coyote and we use the Wiley coyote,
and we actually received a cease and desist letter from
Warner Brothers telling us we can no longer. We're like,
how in the world. You know, probably our rival fraternity
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turned us in. And then Howard Payne University itself when
I came in our yellow jacket well basically was a
Georgia Tech yellowjacket, and they sent a cease and desist letter,
and we had a little contest. They came up with
a new logo, and the student body, when I was
a freshman, voted on the name of it. All of that,
and that's still the yellow jacket that Howard Payne uses.
(19:24):
So it just seems like to me, like I'm familiar
with the cease and desist, but it seems like, you know,
maybe Baylor's tried that route, it's not worked, and so
now they're taking it, you know, to an actual lawsuit.
What are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, there is some presidents for this in the sporting world,
because I do think Baylor can be successful here. But
there may have to be a little bit of negotiation.
Because several years ago the Seattle Seahawks started using the
twelfth Man, and of course Aggie's doing what Aggis do best.
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They got up in arms about it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, it's trade in fairness. They trademarked the twelfth Man.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
They did, and so they sued Seattle. It was an
out of court settlement, but it was very interesting and
not a lot of it has been released. Seattle gets
to use the twelfth Man logo thing.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
But don't they pay like a like a fee to
A and M every year to use it. Is that
what I.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Understand, it's a pittance. It hardly any money exchanges hands.
Because what I heard was, and this is when I
was actually on the periphery of this, but we were
actually doing going through the same thing at our business
because we had changed her name, and this little insurance
company got up in arms because we changed her name.
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I don't think any money changes hands anymore. If there was,
it was a small amount in the beginning. Now, Aggie's
like to run around saying we're getting all this, We're
getting like two million dollars a year. Seattle's not doing that.
I can tell you that for positive. But there was
a little bit of smoke. There was. The twelfth Man
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part of the argument was it's not your actual, you know, logo,
it's just a statement. And those things, those are a
lot trickier to deal with.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, hard to defend that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And so the whole logo thing, because surely you're right,
it is exactly the same logo with a couple of
little slashes in there. I think this one's going to
have success because it is stealing the logo. And I
will tell you that if you go to the Northeast,
then I'll wear a I've worn a Baylor hat in
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the Northeast with the interlocking BU and I've actually had
people come up to me and say, I didn't know
Boston University was green and I am interesting, and so
I've had to say, no, I'm from Baylor. Now, oh yeah,
that's in Texas, right. Yeah. So it's it's it's interesting
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as schools come bigger, they have more of a national,
you know, footprint, and Baylor is part of the power
for Boston University's very good at hockey, but that's about it.
And so they're more regional by the way they do
play in the old Atlanta Braves Stadium when they were
in Boston. Just had to throw that in.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
There, but of course you did.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But you know it, I think Baylor could have success
here because it is their logo.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You know, and it's trademarked. They have it, they've they've
used it longer than they trademarked. As I was reading
the article, but what you just said, I want to
kind of go back one little part because again, it's
very fascinating to me just it speaks to how the
sport has changed. So one of the things that Baylor
fans love. We talk about it. You know, at homecoming
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they bring out the sailor bear, right, the sailor bear logo. Well,
that's not really that original of a logo. And you know,
just to refresh everyone's memory, there was a former Disney
employee that went around back when football was just regional
and Baylor only played here, they didn't play other places,
and he basically went, you know, hey, I can draw
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you a logo and he and he drew, you know,
a sailor bear. And by the way, California has a
sailor bear, just with the California logo, not a you know,
not a Baylor logo on its hat. And it's like,
you know, Michigan has their version of it. So all
these universities had it, and no one really paid attention
because again, television wasn't a thing and we all played regional.
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So if you heard him, you heard him on the radio,
you get my point. But now we are national, and
now you know, it is more important because it is
a you know, definitely a national brand, right.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I mean, and that's that's the thing. The sailor
bear is actually one of the best selling items that
Baylor has, but they could never trademarket, right, and so
you know, it's fun. And I remember I remember my
parents in the seventies bought a foot rest that had
sailor bear on it, and I thought, man, that's cool.
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I wish they'll still had it. But you know, those
things are fun. But you just got to remember. Think
about some schools and how many you know, helmet what
am I looking for? Helmet designs they've had?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You know, eventually you cannot trademark all of those because
somebody else is going to use them. And so I
think it's going to be I think as social media expands,
this whole issue of logos and trademarks is going to
get more and more difficult.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
College football really is semi pro. But surely let's talk
about the ex'es and o's, and it's cute to talk
about the uniform. We're excited about it. All of these
things are not going to matter when the whistle blows
and foot it's pig skin Friday night against Auburn. We've
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got this big game to start off the season. Let's
get into the positives and the negatives. And the first negative,
surely is we lost one of our key running backs
for the season.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah. Yeah, So we learned last week that we had
lost Dawson Pendergrass for the season to some kind of
foot injury. It's gonna require surgery. Man one of my
favorite guys to watch this last season. He's just a
you know, he's not a he's not an east west runner.
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He's a north south runner. He's he runs hard every time.
He's gonna get you yards on every carry. Just loved
watching him him run, and you know, he's part of
a part of a one to two punch with you know,
our phenomenal freshman last year, sophomore this year, Bryce and
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Washington and Man. Want you know, in my opinion, obviously
I'm biased, but in my opinion, one of the best
backfields in college football between the two of those guys.
So that's that's a huge loss.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
A couple of weeks ago, we saw Baylor released just
some stats from how much how much weight you know,
each each position had gained, you know, over the off season,
and I think I think Pendergrass had gained like twenty
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five pounds something like that. So me, already a pretty
punishing runner was going to be even more so this year.
You know, he was going to kind of be the
thunder to Brighton Washington's lightning, if you will, so huge
a lot. But you know that is that's one of
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the positions that seems when you look at who's in
that room to be pretty stacked. And so if we
could sustain again going into the season, looking at it
on paper, if we could sustain an injury like that
to a position group, it would be our running back room.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So now we've we've got some guys who haven't had
either any or much college playing experience that are going
to have to step up. But guys who you know,
were four star recruits coming out of high school, you know.
So you know, Caden Knighton is our true freshman four
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star recruit out of Paul's Valley, Oklahoma. I bet he's
going to, you know, get some of those carries that
Pentagrass had, you know, Joseph Dodds red shirt freshmen. And uh,
there's one other guy I think I'm missing, Yeah, yeah,
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Michael Turner. So I you know, hopefully you know, those
guys rise to the challenge, rise to the occasion, and
help to bring you know, a same or similar level
level of production that Pindergrass, you know, brought. But man,
what a what a loss and just just what a
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great on the field and off the field leader. It
seems like he is so that that's a that's a
big that's a big loss.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It is a big loss, and I'll be, you know,
kind of curious how that will affect his career. You know,
sometimes you have you know, when you're running back and
you have an injury to your foot that could that
could hurt your career even going forward. Staying with the
offensive side of the ball, Byroom, I want you to
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talk about the offensive line and kind of where they're at,
you know, as far as experience compared to last year.
And as you talk about the offensive line, also talk
about our quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well, we've got it's a line that does have some experience.
They need to be more consistent. You know, we lost
a couple of guys, but they feel good about what's
coming up. But once again, we've had offensive line issues.
I like our guard and I'm not going to be
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able to pronounce his name, Aba Geddin. I like him
a lot, but we just got to have a couple
of other guys step up because Sawyer is a great quarterback,
but if you're running for your life, you know it's tough.
And Auburn is going to throw, you know, the kitchen
sink at us as far as Blitz is, so it's
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going to be a baptism by fire. I think there
is a huge amount of potential. Shirley brought up the
whole weight gain thing, and you know they're not sitting
at a table eating ice cream for two hours to
gain weight. That's all muscle. So let's hope it translates.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, you know, but I do remember when back in
the late eighties we were touting that we had an
entire offensive line and three of them could bench press
five hundred pounds and TCU, who wasn't all that great
at the time, came in and whipped our rear in
and Jim Whacker was in there. You know, they may
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be able to bench press five hundred pounds, but they
can't block. And you know, honestly, it ticked me off,
but it you know it that's the case. We gained
the weight. Is it going to translate to what goes
on on the field?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And the thing I love is we got Ashton Hawkins back.
So we're loaded at wide receiver. We've got tons of options.
And the thing that really does worry me though, is
is surely brought this up perfectly. Pendergrass was the thunder.
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We need a guy to step up and be the
thunder because if we can do that, defenses are going
to have massive issues trying to defend us because we've
got options all over the place.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Well, surely you know that's what Brile's had during his
tenure here, is he had a lot of offensive weapons.
Do you feel like this team is close to that?
I mean, you know when we talk about the experience
in the running back room, we talk about the wide receivers,
we talk about having you know, Sawyer Robinson where some
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people are Westpring, you know Wespring, different awards that he's
a different watch list he's on. And how do you
feel about this offense compared to what you saw in
those years that you know, it's like, yeah, forty five
seconds off the clock and we already scored a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Right, Yeah, I mean so similarity again, just looking at
it on paper, you know, I think to the brows
area is our our running backs? Yeah, I mean, you're right,
every year in year out, like we we had, you know,
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a running back would have a phenomenal year and he'd
graduate and leave, and then we had somebody else just
step right up, you know, and just pick up right
where the other one left off.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So I think we you know, I think we have
that now in our running back room. You know, I
think that maybe the one difference that I see right now.
And granted, I you know, we haven't seen we haven't
seen some of these players play in a Bayl uniform yet.
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Is our wide receivers. You know, when when Browse's here,
we always had you know, one or two guys on
the edge that you know, could could beat anybody down
the field, you know, kind of that protypical tall, fast,
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shifty wide receiver that could get open and catch the
deep ball, you know, all those kind of things, you know.
And I've joked with you guys before about, man, I
wish Baylor would would recruit somebody over over six feet
tall at the wide receiver position because it seems like
we just it's like we have a feel full of
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slot receivers, you know, and so I'm I'm excited to see,
you know, how does Josh Cameron follow up a phenomenal
breakout season last year. You know, how does you know
can Ashton Hawkins repeat his season from last year? What
is Kobe Prentiss from trans for from Alabama?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
What? What does he?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
What's he look like? And I noticed that, you know,
maybe we'll get to this with the single digits were
released this week and Cole Wilson, who's a transfer from
Texas State, we have not seen play in a Baylor
uniform yet wide receiver. He he won a single digit.
So I mean that to me, that's that speaks volumes
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you know about you know, obviously on the field leadership,
you got to be a good on the field leader,
uh as well as you know, a good athlete. Obviously
it's your position to win one of those numbers. And
I was surprised to see his name there. In fact,
I had to look him up. I was like, who
who is this? Wide receiver? Cole Wilson?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Who is this?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And so I think that's the that's the one room
that I don't I'm not I don't know. I'm not
sure that we're quite where we were in the brows era,
at our at our wide receiver position.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We fantasized about those years just because it was so
fun to see a Baylor team come out there and
just you know, shred defenses. But let us not forget
that Darren the Brows era when it came to major
bowl games and never won them, lost to UCF. Didn't
even even feel like we compete in that game played
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in the Cotton Bowl against Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Did.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
We won't to even talk about that right had that
game lost it? And the reason why is because that
style of offense really just exhausted the defense and then
we had my favorite line and maybe I should Well,
it's not like he's going to listen to his podcast,
but I can't remember the guy's real last name, but
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surely always called him Burnt because he always got burnt.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It was it was Burnt burn, Yeah, and we turned burnt.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Because of the dude got got Yeah. Every time they
you know, quarterbacks new throw it to that side of
the ball, we're gonna we're gonna get right past him.
So I like the fact that our offense seems to
be more of a steady, more you know, including run,
kind of pounded out longer drives because we have a
head coach that's a defensive minded coach. So let's, uh,
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let's talk about the defense for a moment. And uh,
you know, Byrom you had mentioned a couple podcasts ago
your concern about the secondary. Is that your biggest concern
with this defense or do you see other areas that
kind of has you concern it?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
It really is because the fact that we are much
bigger and deeper on the defensive line, even though we've
taken a couple of pretty hard hits there, Uh, that
works well for Aranda's defense because Randa has to have
basically a really big guy there in the middle, because
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this is a defense that wants to uh push things
out and and you've got to clog the middle up.
My fear is our safeties. I think we're gonna be
okay at cornerback. It's our safeties that worry me. If
they can play well, we're going to be in good shape.
But once again, it's gonna help a lot if we
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stop the running game, and that's gonna be a key.
But let's just hope that our safeties come through. If
they do, this could really be a fun.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Season, surely. I mean, when you look at the defensive
side of the ball. What's your analysis? What are you thinking?
How how good is that Bears defense going to.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Be this year? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I think I think I think our linebacking corps, you know,
is pretty solid defensive end. You know that Jackie Marshall,
anticipate him having a great season. But I agree with Bayrum,
I think our secondary is where the big the big
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question mark is, uh, correct me if if I'm if
I'm wrong here, guys, but I think one of didn't
we have a do we have a transfer safety that
we were really excited about that was injured during the
off season that we're hoping is maybe one hundred by
game one?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yes, I do remember that. Yes, Okay, all right, I
think it might from Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Okay, So I mean I think I think the big
question mark and probably the biggest question marks on this team,
you know, I think it is the secondary. And that
was an area where you know, we got we we
got we got burned quite a few quite a few
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times from big plays last year because of our secondary.
So you know, if if they if they step up
and you know, improve upon you know, kind of how
we ended the year last year. I think, you know,
I think we could have a really special special team.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Well Byron said this earlier. Historically, when you look at
the Baylor program, the years that they stepped up and
uh and won for the most part. You know, I'm
thinking about the last Big Twelve championship. No one was
really you know, predicting that to happen. You know, when
Randa came in, I think that was his second or
third season, beating Oklahoma, beating Oklahoma State to win the
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Big Twelve title and going on to the Sugar Bowl,
which you know, at this point is the most wins
any one season of Baylor football that's had, which was
you know, that year we won the Sugar Bowl, and
then you have other years that coming in that, man,
this is the year. You know, I remember, you know,
toward the end of the Briles era, we had a
year that was like, man, this is we have the
number one quarterback, We have this, we have that, and
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then we ended the season having zero quarterbacks. Do you
never know how it's going to go. Certainly excited about it.
You know, we are less than two weeks from kickoff.
I'm sure we'll have more opportunity to talk about it,
and then of course we'll have that first podcast after
that Auburn game, we'll dissect everything and tell you how
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we feel about the season. All right, time for one
more thing. Surely do we have one more thing this morning?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
So my one more thing comes from the world of golf.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Again.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
So obviously I don't know if you guys have closely
off follow golf, but obviously the world number one golfer
is right here in Dallas. What were Scottie Scheffler. They're
playing in the second of three tournaments to decide the
FedEx Cup champion this weekend. So I saw this stat
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this week and just thought it was pretty amazing relating
to Skye Schuffer. So most rounds of sixty six are
lower PJ Tour the last four seasons, Scotty Scheffler has
ninety six rounds of sixty six or lower. Next closest
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is Xanderschaffley at sixty. He's just been so incredibly dominant
these last couple of years especially, and man, it's just
fun to fun to watch him, watch him do his thing.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I also caught a story. I was traveling this week,
so my wife was telling me about I guess there's
another because he he came up. Who's the other pro
golfer from Dallas. That's that's good as well.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, I mean Jordan Spieth, Jordan here, Jordan Deshambo brought
excuse me, bryceon Deshambo is Dallas as well.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, apparently there's another up and coming high school or
or young college kid that got invited to play in
a tournament or to uh the other two top golfers
from Dallas. So they're talking could this be the third?
So anyway, a lot of a lot of golf. Do
you guys know this that the PGA is officially headquartered
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in North Texas? Now, yep, yes, that's crazy. You know
they left, uh they left Florida where you would think,
you know, beautiful golf course and they moved it to Uh.
I guess money talks right, so.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Well, and I think I think, if I think, if
I'm not mistaken, isn't it next year that they're going
to play the PGA Tour Championship at their in Frisco.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Wouldn't surprise me?
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I don't know that, but I think that I think
that maybe next year. I know it's coming coming up soon.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
North Texas the sports becoming the sports capital, right, we.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Got we got World Cup next year.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
World Cup, we have games.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Scott, you need to rent out your house. You can
make tons of money.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
My wife keeps suggesting that, I'm like, I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Or or we could try to cover the World Cup
and get media passes.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, I gotta tell you. I you know, I'm excited
the World Cups here, I'm just not I'm just not
a a Foutbowl fan. I just I just can't get
into it. But you know, maybe there's hope for me yet.
So for Chris Pyram and Chris Shirley, I'm Scott Miller
until next time. So long, everybody,
Welcome to another edition of My Conversation with the Chris Is.
I'm Scott Miller. Joined joining me is Chris Byronman, Chris Shirley.
The Chrome Domes are back, Chris Shirley. When you saw
the news that Baylor's bringing back a version of the
Chrome Dome, were you excited?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh? Super excited. I mean this is something that we
as Baylor fans have been wanting, you know, for years
since the Originals went away. So yeah, absolutely excited and
maybe even more ready for the season.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah. And Byron, I mean that that video with Bryce
Petty coming out there. Man, I was ready to run
out on the field and play for the Bears, and
that would not go well, I'll just put it that
way back. How excited are you?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, Scott at our age, you would be rough.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
For us, We would really be rough.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, but yeah I am. And it's interesting though thoughts
I had on the on the chrome lids. You know,
they aren't the It depends on the lighting. So I'm
really looking forward to seeing them live in two weeks.
But they seem a little darker gold than the mustard yellow.
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They're not quite the old gold, but still they seem
a little darker. But you know, I am trying to
be very careful because I have had a habit of
many years of getting way too excited for the season
and then having my hope. And I am an experienced
Baalor fan and I have experienced this many times. So
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I'm trying to really keep and even kill and just
hope for the best. But yeah, I am looking forward
to these first couple of games because I think we're
going to learn a whole lot about this team really fast.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, you know, and I want to just take a
moment at the start of this posts and you know,
talk about the uniforms because I always think part of me,
it's it's funny bunch of grown men wanting to know
what a bunch of you know, eighteen to twenty four
year olds are going to wear. I mean, if you
think about the irony of it, just how hilarious it is.
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We get excited over the over the uniform. But I
just wanted for those who are not, you know, Baylor fans,
I think we needed to take a moment as to
why this is so meaningful to us. And you know,
surely when you think about the years you were a
student at Baylor, how good was a football team.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
We had one winning football season and my four years.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
There, and that was my freshman year, Chuck Reedy, Grady Ball.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, so you you came in kind of ushering in
the Big Twelve, and you know, I just think about
those dog years of the early years of the Big Twelve.
So when you know, Art Briles came on and started
to build winning football. I think these uniforms and you
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guys tell me what you think Byromill kick it to
you first, But I think these uniforms in a way
kind of represent that season, those years of winning back
to back Big Twelve championships, those years of coming out
there and just dominating people offensively. Also, I'm not playing
very good on the defensive side of the ball. We
can talk about that. But isn't that kind of this
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is like you just remember those years. Those were exciting
times to be a Bears fan.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah. I think it's I think it's a purposeful throwback
just and I think it kind of is a throwback
to the excitement that's in the program. This is from
what I've heard. This has been in the work for
two or three years, but they really wanted to wait
until they were confident in what they had on the field,
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and so I think there is there is a very
real confidence in what's going going on on that field
right now. So let's hope it carries forward. You know,
It's always interesting for me because this was the first
week of school, and when I do my get to
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know Mister Byron video or slide show, I always have
historical pictures, and I have an historical picture of the
first NFL Championship game that was outdoor in nineteen thirty three,
and I always point out that, you know, they had
one jersey, they wore it all year. Everybody in the
stands are in suit and ties, nobody's wearing jerseys, and
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it just we just talked about how much things have changed,
and I think that Baylor is going to be wearing
four different three or four different home jerseys this year,
and when you think about that, it's just amazing how
much things have changed. And I think we're going to
put on two or three different lids for the year too,
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So it just kind of blows my mind. And yes,
here we are a bunch of grown men and we're
getting all giddy because we're going with chrome lids, and
you know, yeah, I can't wait. I really can't wait.
I'm just trying not to get my level up so
high that I just disappointed again.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That is that is funny. So when you look at
the chrome lid, surely this new darker version versus the
you know, call it the shinier version that was displayed
during the Brills years, do you have a preference at
this point jury still out?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, as you guys know, we've undergone a color scheme change, right,
So we used to have the you know, more traditional
gold in our uniforms when when Brows was there, and
that's why, you know, the original chrome looked a little
bit more like a traditional gold look, right, and now
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we have kind of the mustard yellow, mustard gold whatever,
not really yellow, I guess it's more gold, whatever you
want to call it. It's a different color. It's a
different shade. Right, So it looks to me, just from
pictures I've seen online that you know, this this chrome
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two point zero version, you know, looks it looks to
be fairly close for a you know, for a chrome
look to our our current, our current you know, mustard gold,
mustard yellow, whatever it does.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We have and we've talked about the uniforms. You know,
I think all of us agree that the that the
gold that you and Balor's argued when they rolled it
rolled out the new uniforms. So this is really has
always been the official color. We just got away from it.
Now we're going back to it. I don't know, I'm
not a you know, byrom near this story, and you
can debate.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That I've actually done a deep dye into this. As
far back as you can tell, Baylor has always been
green and gold, but it looks like in the thirties
we did wear mustard yellow and that's what we considered gold.
It was in the late forties early fifties that we
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really switched to that classic kind of kelly to dark green,
old gold look. And we always had the gold lids.
And when it changed for the first time is when
Bill Bill got here, which there's a name of infamy,
but he wanted us to look like Lsu, so we
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went to white lids with a gold stripe in a
really kind of lime green look. And then when Taff
got here, he went back to the old gold in
the kelly green and we kept that forever. And it
wasn't until Brill's came that we started doing all the
unique jerseys. So the mustard yellow is a throwback to
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the thirties, but it really isn't the traditional look. The
traditional look has been the old gold. So I'm like
I said, the lighting, it's it's definitely a cross. I'm
hoping it's getting a little bit away from that mustard
yellow and a little bit more back to the old gold.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I read an article once is you know history as
to how Baylor chose their colors, and so maybe you
can shine some light on this. You guys can either
you know, confirm this or you know, tell me I'm crazy.
But it had to do with, you know, the color
of the fields around Waco, and I'm thinking, you know,
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when you see like I don't want to say, you know,
wild flowers that kind of grew kind of the green
and yellow you see in the wide you know, the
flowers you see in central Texas. And if that's the case,
that is more of a yellow color than I don't
know of any you know in nature, gold coming out
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in flowers. Is that what you've heard, Birom, Is that
kind of the story behind why they chose the colors.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It has a little bit to do with it. It
was a student vote. They voted on the mascot, which
thank god they chose bears because some of the other
ones were just off the wall.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
A close second, right.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Buffaloes were a close second. Yeah, if I remember correctly,
we could have been the Baylor Buffaloes, and I'm really
glad we didn't go that route. But I think the
students also voted, and I think that definitely was kind
of consideration. You know, let's go with the natural look.
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But like I said, in the forties, they just I
really think the coaches that came in decided we want
to have more of a classy, classic look, and that
old gold was a classic look, and it just stuck.
And I think that's why so many people got frustrated
with the mustard yellow, and you know, because we had
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been doing it for so long and I still having
problem a little bit. I'm over it, but I miss
the classic old gold lids because to me, you saw
those and you immediately thought they.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Were, Yeah, what's interesting about this this gold we're going
with Shirley. And this is the part that always is like,
you know, again here we are talking about this as
grown men, but it's like I see that color on
the field, you know, on the on the AstroTurf, and
I think it looks great. It looks very classic. I
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like it. I see that color on the on the
green jerseys as an accent color. I think it looks sharp.
It pops. I see them come out in the full
yellow banana. I don't like it at all. It just
seems like it's a better accent color, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I would agree with that. Yeah it did. We kind
of looked like the Savannah bananas out there. Uh we're
wearing the thing, the single uh single gold you know,
uniforms top and bottom whatever. So, but yeah, I agree.
I think it looks a whole lot better as an
accent color. And I didn't particularly just love it when
it first came out, but it's grown on me and I,
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you know, I kind of I kind of like it now.
I tell you what what I loved was when basketball
this last year rolled out the gold uniforms with the
green Baylor script, Like that looked really sharp and obviously
basketball jerseys don't have near as much material to them,
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you know, but those those looked really short. That's probably
my favorite Baylor basketball uniform now is the is the
gold with the with the green Baylor script. But and
I you know, we did this the one campaign right
because we had all of these several years ago, because
we had all the all the you know, the football team,
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we were like Oregon when Brows was here, right, we
had literally a different uniform that we wore every single week,
a different combination. I actually loved that. Like there there
was some of my favorite ability uniforms ever were during
you know that that era, and you had basketball with
the I don't really miss the highlighter yellow you know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That basketball used to used to wear.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But we did this one campaign to try to bring
you know, every team would look the same, would have
the same, you know, colors, regardless of you know, whether
it was a green or a gold or a white,
you know, whatever it was. So I kind of get that.
But I do miss the days when when at least
for our football team had some really unique and really
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cool looking color combinations in their uniforms. And I think
we're we've kind of slowly, you know, we're kind of
I don't know that we're going to go back to that,
but this is a step, you know, I think, in
that direction, and I love it. I can't I can't
wait to see them in person.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Listening to you guys, it made me realize that here's
the big change forever at Baylor University, and this is
true at universities across the country, and it's a shift
in how college sports overall is changing because college sports
now is more of a brand. But it just in
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hearing you guys talk, it's like at Baylor University up
until they did this last change and the one look,
it was really up to the head coach of whatever
sport was taking the court or taking the field as
to what the uniform looked like. Because you said yourself,
byrom you know, Bill Bell wanted this, and then Grant
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Taff wanted that. We said Art Brows wanted this, and
you know, and all of a sudden, so now it's
no longer the head coaches that are making the decision.
It's the marketing department of the university that says, no, no, no,
these are our colors, these are your options picked from that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, it has completely changed, and the reason is marketing.
I can take you back into the forties at the
University of Pittsburgh where they had a head coach come
in and completely change the color scheme because he liked
the colors from his old university. Coached that and they
went from blue and gold to something like red and white,
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and it lasted for two years and that was it.
But I can take you as far back as Baylor
was wearing the highlighter slash mustard yellow basketball jerseys back
when Jim Haller was the basketball coach in the eighties.
And Haller did it, kid you not, He did it
because he could wear that on both home and the road,
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and so he just had one uniform and he thought
that lessened some of the confusion that could you know,
somebody could grab the wrong uniform by accident, which that
happened to us in high school. But that's a different story.
But it it went back that far to where we
did it. But now it is because jersey sales are
a big deal. And I guarantee you the NFL is
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not having throwback jerseys because let's honor our past. They're
having throwback jerseys because we could sell more jerseys.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Absolutely. Yeah, the NFL is so coordinated like they you know,
if you pay attention, every coach on the sideline wears
the same scheme on a particular Sunday so we talk
about it, you know, from the college level because we're
passionate about our team. But then you turn on the NFL.
It's like NFL is rolling out this type of hat
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and all of a sudden, every single head coach has
that hat on, but just with their particular colors. And
I think that's hilarious. Like imagine being a coach in
the NFL, Like, you know, the league says, Okay, this
is the hat you're going to wear, you know, this week.
Now they'll have the variations of it. Shoddy will have
his you know, his visor on versus a cab. But
you watch it, and it happens happens, you know, every
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week in the NFL. Which surely this whole talk about
marketing and consistency, it kind of leads to my next topic,
and then we're going to get into x's and o's,
I promise you. But you know something that that Baylor
has also done in recent years as they've made their
logo more consistent, they did a little modern take and
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they said the official logo of Baylor University will be
the interlocking be You. For the longest time, that was
the logo for the athletic department but the university used
a different logo. They said, we're going to be more consistent.
We're gonna have that interlocking be you in every letterhead,
every press release, everything you see. So you're driving down
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the highway, see a billboard sign talking about academics, it
still has that interlocking be you. Then a story came
out this week that Boston University, not their athletic department,
not the university themselves, but basically their their sports, their
club sports they have there on campus, has started to
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use a red interlocking BU that looks very similar to
the old BU before. Baylor refreshed it in the red colors,
and I've seen it in black and pink, and they're
selling it on their official bookstore website. And Baylor has
filed a lawsuit. What what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, I mean it's an absolute ripoff of of the
BU interlocking BU that we that we used to have.
You know, like you said before, we before we kind
of tweaked it a little bit. I mean, this even
made up. We watch when we can just you know,
(17:53):
local local news and Channel eight news even did a
story on this this week because it was funny. I mean,
you got guys, on there that none of none of
which went to went to Baylor, you know, and they
were like, that's exactly the same logo and just different colors,
you know, And so that was kind of interesting heard
(18:17):
about that this week.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Some of the comments on social media buyerm. Of course
people out there like to poke fun at the private universities.
Is like one comment I read was, you know, two
universities no one even heard about fighting each other, you know,
two private universities. Of course that's not the case. People
have heard of both Boston University and Baylor University. Do
you think you know what's the look here for Baylor?
(18:41):
I remember before you answer that question. Now, I went
to Howard Payne University and our little fraternity we had
the mascot of a coyote and we use the Wiley coyote,
and we actually received a cease and desist letter from
Warner Brothers telling us we can no longer. We're like,
how in the world. You know, probably our rival fraternity
(19:03):
turned us in. And then Howard Payne University itself when
I came in our yellow jacket well basically was a
Georgia Tech yellowjacket, and they sent a cease and desist letter,
and we had a little contest. They came up with
a new logo, and the student body, when I was
a freshman, voted on the name of it. All of that,
and that's still the yellow jacket that Howard Payne uses.
(19:24):
So it just seems like to me, like I'm familiar
with the cease and desist, but it seems like, you know,
maybe Baylor's tried that route, it's not worked, and so
now they're taking it, you know, to an actual lawsuit.
What are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, there is some presidents for this in the sporting world,
because I do think Baylor can be successful here. But
there may have to be a little bit of negotiation.
Because several years ago the Seattle Seahawks started using the
twelfth Man, and of course Aggie's doing what Aggis do best.
(19:56):
They got up in arms about it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, it's trade in fairness. They trademarked the twelfth Man.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
They did, and so they sued Seattle. It was an
out of court settlement, but it was very interesting and
not a lot of it has been released. Seattle gets
to use the twelfth Man logo thing.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
But don't they pay like a like a fee to
A and M every year to use it. Is that
what I.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Understand, it's a pittance. It hardly any money exchanges hands.
Because what I heard was, and this is when I
was actually on the periphery of this, but we were
actually doing going through the same thing at our business
because we had changed her name, and this little insurance
company got up in arms because we changed her name.
(20:42):
I don't think any money changes hands anymore. If there was,
it was a small amount in the beginning. Now, Aggie's
like to run around saying we're getting all this, We're
getting like two million dollars a year. Seattle's not doing that.
I can tell you that for positive. But there was
a little bit of smoke. There was. The twelfth Man
(21:05):
part of the argument was it's not your actual, you know, logo,
it's just a statement. And those things, those are a
lot trickier to deal with.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, hard to defend that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And so the whole logo thing, because surely you're right,
it is exactly the same logo with a couple of
little slashes in there. I think this one's going to
have success because it is stealing the logo. And I
will tell you that if you go to the Northeast,
then I'll wear a I've worn a Baylor hat in
(21:38):
the Northeast with the interlocking BU and I've actually had
people come up to me and say, I didn't know
Boston University was green and I am interesting, and so
I've had to say, no, I'm from Baylor. Now, oh yeah,
that's in Texas, right. Yeah. So it's it's it's interesting
(21:59):
as schools come bigger, they have more of a national,
you know, footprint, and Baylor is part of the power
for Boston University's very good at hockey, but that's about it.
And so they're more regional by the way they do
play in the old Atlanta Braves Stadium when they were
in Boston. Just had to throw that in.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
There, but of course you did.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But you know it, I think Baylor could have success
here because it is their logo.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You know, and it's trademarked. They have it, they've they've
used it longer than they trademarked. As I was reading
the article, but what you just said, I want to
kind of go back one little part because again, it's
very fascinating to me just it speaks to how the
sport has changed. So one of the things that Baylor
fans love. We talk about it. You know, at homecoming
(22:49):
they bring out the sailor bear, right, the sailor bear logo. Well,
that's not really that original of a logo. And you know,
just to refresh everyone's memory, there was a former Disney
employee that went around back when football was just regional
and Baylor only played here, they didn't play other places,
and he basically went, you know, hey, I can draw
(23:11):
you a logo and he and he drew, you know,
a sailor bear. And by the way, California has a
sailor bear, just with the California logo, not a you know,
not a Baylor logo on its hat. And it's like,
you know, Michigan has their version of it. So all
these universities had it, and no one really paid attention
because again, television wasn't a thing and we all played regional.
(23:32):
So if you heard him, you heard him on the radio,
you get my point. But now we are national, and
now you know, it is more important because it is
a you know, definitely a national brand, right.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I mean, and that's that's the thing. The sailor
bear is actually one of the best selling items that
Baylor has, but they could never trademarket, right, and so
you know, it's fun. And I remember I remember my
parents in the seventies bought a foot rest that had
sailor bear on it, and I thought, man, that's cool.
(24:04):
I wish they'll still had it. But you know, those
things are fun. But you just got to remember. Think
about some schools and how many you know, helmet what
am I looking for? Helmet designs they've had?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You know, eventually you cannot trademark all of those because
somebody else is going to use them. And so I
think it's going to be I think as social media expands,
this whole issue of logos and trademarks is going to
get more and more difficult.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
College football really is semi pro. But surely let's talk
about the ex'es and o's, and it's cute to talk
about the uniform. We're excited about it. All of these
things are not going to matter when the whistle blows
and foot it's pig skin Friday night against Auburn. We've
(25:03):
got this big game to start off the season. Let's
get into the positives and the negatives. And the first negative,
surely is we lost one of our key running backs
for the season.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah. Yeah, So we learned last week that we had
lost Dawson Pendergrass for the season to some kind of
foot injury. It's gonna require surgery. Man one of my
favorite guys to watch this last season. He's just a
you know, he's not a he's not an east west runner.
(25:43):
He's a north south runner. He's he runs hard every time.
He's gonna get you yards on every carry. Just loved
watching him him run, and you know, he's part of
a part of a one to two punch with you know,
our phenomenal freshman last year, sophomore this year, Bryce and
(26:05):
Washington and Man. Want you know, in my opinion, obviously
I'm biased, but in my opinion, one of the best
backfields in college football between the two of those guys.
So that's that's a huge loss.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
A couple of weeks ago, we saw Baylor released just
some stats from how much how much weight you know,
each each position had gained, you know, over the off season,
and I think I think Pendergrass had gained like twenty
(26:43):
five pounds something like that. So me, already a pretty
punishing runner was going to be even more so this year.
You know, he was going to kind of be the
thunder to Brighton Washington's lightning, if you will, so huge
a lot. But you know that is that's one of
(27:04):
the positions that seems when you look at who's in
that room to be pretty stacked. And so if we
could sustain again going into the season, looking at it
on paper, if we could sustain an injury like that
to a position group, it would be our running back room.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So now we've we've got some guys who haven't had
either any or much college playing experience that are going
to have to step up. But guys who you know,
were four star recruits coming out of high school, you know.
So you know, Caden Knighton is our true freshman four
(27:46):
star recruit out of Paul's Valley, Oklahoma. I bet he's
going to, you know, get some of those carries that
Pentagrass had, you know, Joseph Dodds red shirt freshmen. And uh,
there's one other guy I think I'm missing, Yeah, yeah,
(28:07):
Michael Turner. So I you know, hopefully you know, those
guys rise to the challenge, rise to the occasion, and
help to bring you know, a same or similar level
level of production that Pindergrass, you know, brought. But man,
what a what a loss and just just what a
(28:28):
great on the field and off the field leader. It
seems like he is so that that's a that's a
big that's a big loss.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It is a big loss, and I'll be, you know,
kind of curious how that will affect his career. You know,
sometimes you have you know, when you're running back and
you have an injury to your foot that could that
could hurt your career even going forward. Staying with the
offensive side of the ball, Byroom, I want you to
(28:58):
talk about the offensive line and kind of where they're at,
you know, as far as experience compared to last year.
And as you talk about the offensive line, also talk
about our quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well, we've got it's a line that does have some experience.
They need to be more consistent. You know, we lost
a couple of guys, but they feel good about what's
coming up. But once again, we've had offensive line issues.
I like our guard and I'm not going to be
(29:31):
able to pronounce his name, Aba Geddin. I like him
a lot, but we just got to have a couple
of other guys step up because Sawyer is a great quarterback,
but if you're running for your life, you know it's tough.
And Auburn is going to throw, you know, the kitchen
sink at us as far as Blitz is, so it's
(29:55):
going to be a baptism by fire. I think there
is a huge amount of potential. Shirley brought up the
whole weight gain thing, and you know they're not sitting
at a table eating ice cream for two hours to
gain weight. That's all muscle. So let's hope it translates.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, you know, but I do remember when back in
the late eighties we were touting that we had an
entire offensive line and three of them could bench press
five hundred pounds and TCU, who wasn't all that great
at the time, came in and whipped our rear in
and Jim Whacker was in there. You know, they may
(30:35):
be able to bench press five hundred pounds, but they
can't block. And you know, honestly, it ticked me off,
but it you know it that's the case. We gained
the weight. Is it going to translate to what goes
on on the field?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And the thing I love is we got Ashton Hawkins back.
So we're loaded at wide receiver. We've got tons of options.
And the thing that really does worry me though, is
is surely brought this up perfectly. Pendergrass was the thunder.
(31:11):
We need a guy to step up and be the
thunder because if we can do that, defenses are going
to have massive issues trying to defend us because we've
got options all over the place.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Well, surely you know that's what Brile's had during his
tenure here, is he had a lot of offensive weapons.
Do you feel like this team is close to that?
I mean, you know when we talk about the experience
in the running back room, we talk about the wide receivers,
we talk about having you know, Sawyer Robinson where some
(31:48):
people are Westpring, you know Wespring, different awards that he's
a different watch list he's on. And how do you
feel about this offense compared to what you saw in
those years that you know, it's like, yeah, forty five
seconds off the clock and we already scored a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Right, Yeah, I mean so similarity again, just looking at
it on paper, you know, I think to the brows
area is our our running backs? Yeah, I mean, you're right,
every year in year out, like we we had, you know,
(32:25):
a running back would have a phenomenal year and he'd
graduate and leave, and then we had somebody else just
step right up, you know, and just pick up right
where the other one left off.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So I think we you know, I think we have
that now in our running back room. You know, I
think that maybe the one difference that I see right now.
And granted, I you know, we haven't seen we haven't
seen some of these players play in a Bayl uniform yet.
(32:57):
Is our wide receivers. You know, when when Browse's here,
we always had you know, one or two guys on
the edge that you know, could could beat anybody down
the field, you know, kind of that protypical tall, fast,
(33:18):
shifty wide receiver that could get open and catch the
deep ball, you know, all those kind of things, you know.
And I've joked with you guys before about, man, I
wish Baylor would would recruit somebody over over six feet
tall at the wide receiver position because it seems like
we just it's like we have a feel full of
(33:40):
slot receivers, you know, and so I'm I'm excited to see,
you know, how does Josh Cameron follow up a phenomenal
breakout season last year. You know, how does you know
can Ashton Hawkins repeat his season from last year? What
is Kobe Prentiss from trans for from Alabama?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
What? What does he?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
What's he look like? And I noticed that, you know,
maybe we'll get to this with the single digits were
released this week and Cole Wilson, who's a transfer from
Texas State, we have not seen play in a Baylor
uniform yet wide receiver. He he won a single digit.
So I mean that to me, that's that speaks volumes
(34:25):
you know about you know, obviously on the field leadership,
you got to be a good on the field leader,
uh as well as you know, a good athlete. Obviously
it's your position to win one of those numbers. And
I was surprised to see his name there. In fact,
I had to look him up. I was like, who
who is this? Wide receiver? Cole Wilson?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Who is this?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And so I think that's the that's the one room
that I don't I'm not I don't know. I'm not
sure that we're quite where we were in the brows era,
at our at our wide receiver position.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We fantasized about those years just because it was so
fun to see a Baylor team come out there and
just you know, shred defenses. But let us not forget
that Darren the Brows era when it came to major
bowl games and never won them, lost to UCF. Didn't
even even feel like we compete in that game played
(35:22):
in the Cotton Bowl against Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Did.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
We won't to even talk about that right had that
game lost it? And the reason why is because that
style of offense really just exhausted the defense and then
we had my favorite line and maybe I should Well,
it's not like he's going to listen to his podcast,
but I can't remember the guy's real last name, but
(35:45):
surely always called him Burnt because he always got burnt.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It was it was Burnt burn, Yeah, and we turned burnt.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Because of the dude got got Yeah. Every time they
you know, quarterbacks new throw it to that side of
the ball, we're gonna we're gonna get right past him.
So I like the fact that our offense seems to
be more of a steady, more you know, including run,
kind of pounded out longer drives because we have a
head coach that's a defensive minded coach. So let's, uh,
(36:19):
let's talk about the defense for a moment. And uh,
you know, Byrom you had mentioned a couple podcasts ago
your concern about the secondary. Is that your biggest concern
with this defense or do you see other areas that
kind of has you concern it?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
It really is because the fact that we are much
bigger and deeper on the defensive line, even though we've
taken a couple of pretty hard hits there, Uh, that
works well for Aranda's defense because Randa has to have
basically a really big guy there in the middle, because
(36:57):
this is a defense that wants to uh push things
out and and you've got to clog the middle up.
My fear is our safeties. I think we're gonna be
okay at cornerback. It's our safeties that worry me. If
they can play well, we're going to be in good shape.
But once again, it's gonna help a lot if we
(37:19):
stop the running game, and that's gonna be a key.
But let's just hope that our safeties come through. If
they do, this could really be a fun.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Season, surely. I mean, when you look at the defensive
side of the ball. What's your analysis? What are you thinking?
How how good is that Bears defense going to.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Be this year? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I think I think I think our linebacking corps, you know,
is pretty solid defensive end. You know that Jackie Marshall,
anticipate him having a great season. But I agree with Bayrum,
I think our secondary is where the big the big
(38:03):
question mark is, uh, correct me if if I'm if
I'm wrong here, guys, but I think one of didn't
we have a do we have a transfer safety that
we were really excited about that was injured during the
off season that we're hoping is maybe one hundred by
game one?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yes, I do remember that. Yes, Okay, all right, I
think it might from Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Okay, So I mean I think I think the big
question mark and probably the biggest question marks on this team,
you know, I think it is the secondary. And that
was an area where you know, we got we we
got we got burned quite a few quite a few
(38:48):
times from big plays last year because of our secondary.
So you know, if if they if they step up
and you know, improve upon you know, kind of how
we ended the year last year. I think, you know,
I think we could have a really special special team.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Well Byron said this earlier. Historically, when you look at
the Baylor program, the years that they stepped up and
uh and won for the most part. You know, I'm
thinking about the last Big Twelve championship. No one was
really you know, predicting that to happen. You know, when
Randa came in, I think that was his second or
third season, beating Oklahoma, beating Oklahoma State to win the
(39:33):
Big Twelve title and going on to the Sugar Bowl,
which you know, at this point is the most wins
any one season of Baylor football that's had, which was
you know, that year we won the Sugar Bowl, and
then you have other years that coming in that, man,
this is the year. You know, I remember, you know,
toward the end of the Briles era, we had a
year that was like, man, this is we have the
number one quarterback, We have this, we have that, and
(39:56):
then we ended the season having zero quarterbacks. Do you
never know how it's going to go. Certainly excited about it.
You know, we are less than two weeks from kickoff.
I'm sure we'll have more opportunity to talk about it,
and then of course we'll have that first podcast after
that Auburn game, we'll dissect everything and tell you how
(40:18):
we feel about the season. All right, time for one
more thing. Surely do we have one more thing this morning?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
So my one more thing comes from the world of golf.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Again.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
So obviously I don't know if you guys have closely
off follow golf, but obviously the world number one golfer
is right here in Dallas. What were Scottie Scheffler. They're
playing in the second of three tournaments to decide the
FedEx Cup champion this weekend. So I saw this stat
(40:53):
this week and just thought it was pretty amazing relating
to Skye Schuffer. So most rounds of sixty six are
lower PJ Tour the last four seasons, Scotty Scheffler has
ninety six rounds of sixty six or lower. Next closest
(41:13):
is Xanderschaffley at sixty. He's just been so incredibly dominant
these last couple of years especially, and man, it's just
fun to fun to watch him, watch him do his thing.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I also caught a story. I was traveling this week,
so my wife was telling me about I guess there's
another because he he came up. Who's the other pro
golfer from Dallas. That's that's good as well.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, I mean Jordan Spieth, Jordan here, Jordan Deshambo brought
excuse me, bryceon Deshambo is Dallas as well.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, apparently there's another up and coming high school or
or young college kid that got invited to play in
a tournament or to uh the other two top golfers
from Dallas. So they're talking could this be the third?
So anyway, a lot of a lot of golf. Do
you guys know this that the PGA is officially headquartered
(42:12):
in North Texas? Now, yep, yes, that's crazy. You know
they left, uh they left Florida where you would think,
you know, beautiful golf course and they moved it to Uh.
I guess money talks right, so.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Well, and I think I think, if I think, if
I'm not mistaken, isn't it next year that they're going
to play the PGA Tour Championship at their in Frisco.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Wouldn't surprise me?
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I don't know that, but I think that I think
that maybe next year. I know it's coming coming up soon.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
North Texas the sports becoming the sports capital, right, we.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Got we got World Cup next year.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
World Cup, we have games.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Scott, you need to rent out your house. You can
make tons of money.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
My wife keeps suggesting that, I'm like, I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Or or we could try to cover the World Cup
and get media passes.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, I gotta tell you. I you know, I'm excited
the World Cups here, I'm just not I'm just not
a a Foutbowl fan. I just I just can't get
into it. But you know, maybe there's hope for me yet.
So for Chris Pyram and Chris Shirley, I'm Scott Miller
until next time. So long, everybody,
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