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July 29, 2024 • 53 mins
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it out in September September seventh, twenty twenty four. Now,
my guest this week is John Koenig Was He's the

(03:37):
author of My autobiography is an Introduction to Past life
Explorations for personal for personal and spiritual growth. And John
is a BORER Certify certified hypnosis with practice in Rhode
item and Massachusetts. And so, with no further induction, let's
bring John on the podcast. What's going on? John?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Life is going on? It's good to be here, Jacob.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Oh. Absolutely. Now, for people who don't know who you are,
can you give us a background?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, I'll give you the reader's digest. I'm from New York.
Most of my life professionally, I was an ad guy.
I was a madman. I wrote TV commercials, duncan heinz case,
Chris grow Shortening, that kind of thing. And then I
had an agency and I sold my agency in nineteen
ninety eight. But along the way I got involved with hypnosis.

(04:30):
I got involved with hypnosis in New York and I
was working in the business for creativity, A friend of
my another copywriter, went to this guy to enhance his creativity.
And when you work in Madison Avenue, you're as good
as your last campaign every day. I had a couple
of ideas, and so I went to this guy for
creativity and it worked and I got better, and I

(04:52):
could program myself to have ideas, go out to lunch,
come back and magically there would be three campaign ideas
ready to go. So I became motivated to become trained
in it. I learned how to do hypnosis myself, but
I didn't practice at all. Yeah, I was working then
in nineteen eighty three, I got an idea. At the time,

(05:16):
there were ten million VCRs in the country, and I
got the idea that you could do hypnosis on video.
So I developed my own Nickel and hypno Vision video
which was the world's first subliminal hypnotic video program series.
And I was very, very successful. Like in every Booksturing
the Country, ABC and NBC News, it features on me.

(05:38):
But I went back to advertising. I didn't stay with that.
I built a small agency sold in nineteen ninety eight
and it was like, now what am I going to do?
You know, I'm not old enough to do nothing, not
rich enough to do nothing. So I re certified. I
became a hypnotist and I've been doing that work now
for twenty six years. Primarily I worked with smoke. At

(06:02):
least thirty five percent of my business was always smoking.
Very successful. I did like an eighty six percent success
rate on smokers, weight loss, stress, career issues, golf, medical things,
pre surgery, anything anybody wanted to do. I was a generalist,
and along the way people began asking me for past
life hypnosis. I didn't advertise it because I was getting

(06:25):
medical referrals and I didn't want the medical profession to
think I was as wacky as I really am. So
I put that on the download and I did probably
twenty five Past life experience with people, and every single
one of them, they had remarkable, remarkable results. I could
talk about some of those in my book, which here's

(06:46):
my book, by the way, it's on dot com, by
the way, my Atto biographies, and so I have a
few stories in my book about these people, and they're
great results. Now, I was never that interested in myself,
but a friend of mine, his wife, was doing past
life regression. So I decided I'd go and give it

(07:06):
a try, and I went and I was blown away.
Suddenly I found myself in the Revolutionary War. I'm Private Riley,
first cuttal dragoons, and I had this vivid, profound experience
of this life, and so I got hooked. And over

(07:28):
the years I went to different practitioners, people like me now,
who would do past life regression work, and I had
great experiences. And now I'm older now in this incarnation,
it's coming to the end, you know, I'm seventy five.
Ain't too many more laps around the track. So I
stopped caring what the doctors thought of me, and I

(07:51):
went public with my book, and it was about two
years ago, and since then I'm doing more past life
work with people, and it is a remarkable, remarkable thing.
I think. I think psychiatrists and therapists should routinely refer
when they get stuck to people like me. I'm not

(08:13):
saying it's the first place to look. Do you want
to resolve issues? You know, it's not the first place
to look, but sometimes if you're really stuck, it's the
right place to look. So that's my story. Jacob Internetshot.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Maybe now, when you say hypnosis, is there a difference
between kind of what you do to what people sees
on TV with magic?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
That's a good question. Yeah, they do it for showmanship,
and first of if they have to do rapid inductions,
there are different ways to do it hypnotists on stage
and in the office. I don't do that so much.
I have, but I don't typically do it. We do
other types of things. There are some very famous inductions
we do that take about four minutes, and a stage

(08:59):
guy hasn't got that time. You also notice on stage
you'll pull people up and you'll send some back. Everybody
can be hypnotized unless there are two categories. People who
are are paranoids schizophrenic can't if they think you're working
for the FBI or the CIA, they're not going to

(09:19):
let you do anything with them, you know, like where's
the bug in the room. The other type are paranoids,
are developmentally challenged i Q of seventy or below. They
just can't follow the instructions. But short of that, everybody can. However,
there's a range of responsiveness. Twenty percent of people are
very very indept going into trents. So the stage guy

(09:42):
wants that twenty percent. So if you volunteer, have you
ever volunteered, No, I never would, because you know they
want to make you look like a fool, the whole
purpose of its entertainment. And nonetheless, if you go to
the stage show, some people won't do everything. He says.

(10:04):
Over the years, I've had two women come to me.
They were traumatized by going to the stage guy. In
both cases they were asked to do sexually you know,
you're a stripper, that kind of thing. And in both
cases they've been molested as children. So suddenly they're on stage.
My malpractice insurance doesn't let me do stage work for
that reason. You know, you don't know what you're going

(10:24):
to bump into. So the short answer is, yes, it's
the same but different. They do rapid inductions, and we
typically don't not we do short ones, but the long
induction is progressive relaxation, and that's one that if you
really don't know what you're doing, that's a good place
to start. You know, you're getting sleepy, arms are getting

(10:45):
sleep like that.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Now, speaking of past life, do you think that had
everybody has some mission in life that they need to accomplish.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Absolutely? Oh yeah, you read my book. It's I was like,
because everybody has a mission, and there are missions that
you're a given. Like one of my lives that I experienced.
I was out with this beautiful fellow called David Quickley

(11:16):
out in California, Santa Rose. He's a trainer, and I
was learning Past life works. You know, I had been
doing it for years, but I wanted to get some
formal training and he said one of the things you
can do is you can revisit relationships, you know. And
there were some people in the training. I can't tell
their stories, but some of them were amazing that they

(11:37):
were hooked up with their husband or wife and they
had been involved, you know, like he killed her, he
killed her in a gladiator battle or something. In my case,
I suddenly find myself in Russia and a blacksmith's shop,
and this blacksmith's big beard, big black beard, and he's
banging at the medal. And that's my husband. And this

(11:59):
guy is my wife, my current life, Maria. And the guy,
the facilitator said, I was, I'm bringing him his lunch
and the solitation. Well, what is what is? What does
your husband say? What is Victor Murray in this life say?
And I started laughing. I said nothing. He's a man
of few words. And in this life I chatter all
the time. My wife not so much, so speak when

(12:22):
it's important, and I chatter all the time. I wake
up talking. I talk for a living. Well, it's not
being a hypnotist. Is the client is quiet and I
go on and on. So anyway, it looked like it
was a great life. We're happy. And then he said,
go to the end of that life. You know, of course,
every life ends. You don't get out of this alive, right,
And toward the end of the life, I hear in

(12:44):
the village that the that the Cossacks are going to
come and they're going to draft the men. And in
our village, once you get drafted, they go. It was
like the women become widows, but living husbands that are
off somewhere fighting worse. So I victor Marie in this life.
We got to get out of here. And he won't
listen to me. I'm only a woman, and I beg him,

(13:10):
and he finally says, I've heard enough. Yeah, I thought
you had more sense than that. Well, you know, you
can picture the story. They come, they take him. I'd
spend the rest of my life and a very hard life,
raising kids and all that, and I die with my
kids around me. But my mission out of that life
was to be heard. I came into this life with
a strong need to be hurt. I become an ad

(13:33):
guy on the ad Man TV commercial, a college teacher
teaching classes of students, a hypnotist. You know, my mission
in this life is to be heard. But the other
thing is created missions. I don't know if are you
familiar with the old s training, airheart seminar training.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
It was big back in the nineteen seventies. This guy,
it was like American Zen. It was part of the
self improvement thing, and we're in an air part was
the founder and Werner said, you define your life by
who you are as a possibility. Now, we'll all of
us have lots of possibilities. You know, you get married,

(14:11):
you raise a family, or the possibility of a good family.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
You know, you might get married to somebody. You have
possibility of a good relationship. You start doing work, you
do a podcast, possibly have a great podcast, you know.
And I did this advanced course with him, and he
invited us to invent a possibility. And we had to
invent and convince people this was what we weren't feeling.

(14:37):
And I declared myself possibly of the evolution of humanity
through adversity. You may have noticed this adversely on planet Earth. Now,
I am a reasonably grounded person. People that do what
I do in past life, some of them are way
out there, and they will tell you with certainty that
there are different planets you can incarnate on, and Earth

(15:00):
is considered a tough one. You know, you up up
in the ether somewhere people say I'm going to carnate
on Earth. These are really you know what goes on
down there, because everything is a struggle, everything's adversity. Health,
you know, Seemund Freud's in the natural state of humanity
should be profound depression because everything's about loss. You lose

(15:21):
people you care about, you lose positions, you lose abilities
as you get older. But of course people aren't profoundly impressed. Generally,
we have this resiliency but adversity. I call it spirit
school that we're here and I believe and you know.
In my Wonderful Little book, I talk about the evolution
of humanity, that we incarnate to grow toward deity, to

(15:45):
move as part of a divine plan. That humanity is
evolving I think, into a kind of new species. And
AI in the Internet comes along with that as well.
The idea that animals evolve organically. You know, you're born
and the start out all living things in the CEA

(16:06):
protosol whatever. If you buy people and then you'll be gone.
The animal, amphibians fly, et cetera. We're at the stage
for the last several thousand years. We evolve through tools
and technology, a biped race humans means can fly. We
evolve to be able to fly with aeroplanes. We can

(16:28):
drive one hundred and twenty miles an hour. It's not legal,
but you can drive hundred twenty miles an hour. You know,
to be able to run like that we run fashion
and Gazelle's. We can communicate across the whole world. We're
evolving through technology. The Internet and AI specifically is the
most recent evolution. We're becoming a global mind and it's

(16:51):
scary and exciting, but yeah, it's so that's my possibility
human evolution through adversity, and my mission is kind of
to be a gatekeeper. Initially when I did the book,
it was to give people to understand that past life
work can be very useful. You know, everybody's got stuff
they deal with, and you reach the point where you've

(17:13):
gone through all the psychotherapy in the world, maybe and
still it resolves. Well, maybe it's because something happened. One
of my last incarnations was an SS guarden in susedire
camp of Auschwitz. Believe me, I got some karma that
came along with that one, a lot of karma.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
One of my lives was a rapist out in the Southwest.
This privileged guy, son of a rancher, raped him and
then he was not very smart. He hid for the
rest of us. I became a hermit. So you go
through life, whatever you get in with this life where
they talk about karma, Karma is not punishment, it's learning opportunities.

(18:00):
If you go into life and yourselfish and an asshole,
you know, your next life you don't get punished for
being an asshole. You get a chance to experience the
victim of asshole them.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now. So if we died, you know, like for a
past life. You know, if we die, can we be
be taken back in time to live another life.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
That's a very interesting question. Uh, I honestly don't know
the answer. If I'm not going to tell you anything,
I don't know specifically, I have never had any client
that went that incarnated. I don't know. There are some
people that do what I do and tell you they can.

(18:49):
They can, they can, you can look at future incarnations. Also,
there's a lot of controversial whether you can incarnate as
an animal. You know, some of the Eastern traditions believe
that you incarnate up from a single celled animal and
become human and if you're bad em go backwards suddenly

(19:10):
you incarnate literally as an ass a donkey. But I
don't know if you can go backwards. I'll ask people
know more about this stuff than I do.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now, speaking of recurrent nation history, any proof of.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
It, Yes, thank you for asking. It is vitally important
anybody's interested in this to know this stuff is real.
There's a division University of Virginia Perceptual Studies was founded
by a guy called Ian Stephenson, and he documented several

(19:47):
thousand cases. The thing about what he documented was he
got kids whose parents brought them to him where he
heard about them saying they had past life experiences, and
he went back and he checked them out. You know,
if you get a six year old kid that says,
you know, I died in Shiloh, and you can find

(20:10):
the regiment and you can find his grave. And he
did come from West Virginia, like he said, and he's
got two thousand he calls them. I think he calls
them solid cases. Ian Stevenson. Anybody interested in this, seriously interested,
you need to know about this guy and his work,

(20:33):
and it's ongoing. They're continuing to do research. It is
you have to You have to people who are logical
and rational. Oh no, that can't be And I was
frankly like that, But you can't read Ian Stevenson's work
and know the work of the very ethical scientific Division
of Perceptual Studies and not think this is real. This

(20:53):
is the way it is according to what I understand
and believe me I am. I'm a hard case with
my own experiences. I will not stand here or sit
here and tell you for sure I was Private Riley first,
Connal Drabunds or or the wife of Victor the Blacksmith.

(21:16):
Because that's why Stienson only work with kids. You know,
you watch Spartacus and then you go to a past
life person and you say, oh, I was a gladiator. No,
you just watch Spartacus. You don't know. And to this
day I don't know. But to a degree, when I
mentioned earlier psychotherapist, it doesn't matter if a person gets

(21:38):
a profound cathotic experience from having an experience being a
gladiator getting stabbed in the coliseum and the life changes
as a result. One of my favorite working with people,
and I have permission to tell about this one. She
was a woman who always dated guys who betrayed her.
She would date a guide, you betray her, she'd become upset,

(22:02):
and this one guy said to her, I really like you,
but I want you to know I don't do monogamy.
I just don't believe in it. He said it out loud,
and she heard herself thinking I can fix her, and
we had I do the past life with her. She
finds herself as a concubine in the Middle East in
ancient times, and the prince who's the head of the house,

(22:25):
kind of implies that he's going to promote her to
be a wife because he's really under her right she
believes him. The real wives find out about it and
they entomb her alive. So this client of mine in
my office, tears are on her face. Experience is being
entombed waiting for her prince to come. Literally, so in

(22:46):
this incarnation, she's replaying over and over, I'm waiting for
my prince to come, and he betrays me. I'll try
and oh, he betrays me. And amazingly, one session like that,
she'd been in therapy for years. All of her friends
would say, you're dealing with this is the same guy
in a different body. No, no, no, this will be different.
And it fixed her. And again, I'm not saying this

(23:08):
is the first place to go, but for some people
it is the place to go. If you can't get
a resolution to an issue, you're doing the same thing
over and over and over. Maybe it does have a
carryover from something you know?

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Now, now, can anybody access their past life kind? If so?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
How I have never had anybody not have a experience
and experience some people have them much much more vividly,
you know, when I do it, I got to hypnotis
events and conventions and things, and they use me as
a guinea pig out like that, you know. And for me,
I'm there when I'm doing something. I can smell it,

(23:52):
I can taste it, I can see it, I can
feel it. Most people aren't like me that there's a
degree of response fromens. So what you do is you
do first and hypnosis as an induction, You get a
person into trance and kind of a neutral place, and
then there are some firm protocols you have them go
into a neutral place and then we typically do things.

(24:16):
Then we typically say this is trade secrets. But I'm
not the only one that doesn't like this. Look down
at your feet, what are you wearing on your feet?
What color are your feet? And from that then you
build up are you indoors or outdoors? Are you alone?
Are you with people? How do you feel? Yeah, you're happy, scared, whatever?

(24:38):
And from that and it's very very important. If anybody
who's listening to your show ever does this with somebody,
to be accepting whatever you get. My least favorite client
will come to me and say, oh, I think I
was Cleopatrian a prior line, because what they're going to
do is they gonna screw that. They're going to be

(24:59):
using their just mind to shape with your experiencing. So
if anyone who is listening he ever does it with somebody,
there are lots of people will do what I do. Uh,
just go with a complete open mind. But whatever is there,
be there. And if you got nothing, stay with nothing.
I once paid some many hundred dollars. This is a
long time ago, cost more now, but it's one hundred dollars.

(25:22):
And I spent an hour as a beetle, not John
Poole Georgia, but an actual beetle crawling along. And the
only thing about that was interesting was I saw this
drop of water. And if you see the water from
a bug point, if your tensile strength makes it a dome,
that wasn't worth one hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
All right now, how in your book called My My Autobiographies,
do you think the stories are real or did you
imagine them.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
I don't know now if I if I were to say,
what do I? I feel that they're they're real, but
I if I would not swear in a court of
law only one of them. A friend of mine who
was a history buff checked it out and it checked out.
But I got no. I feel they're real. I wouldn't

(26:14):
have done so many. I mean I paid people for
these things. I paid people up to four and fifty
dollars for a past life experience, and I wouldn't be
doing that kind of thing for myself if I didn't
think it was real. But I can't attest it's real.
And anybody who does this work, when it's done, you're
not going to know now, no experience, that's all.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Now, do you have a number of how many people
that you've done past lives own?

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Not many because I only started, you know, doing this.
I did twenty five and then I did probably another
thirty in the last eighteen months. So but I'm also
at a stage in my career I'm doing more writing
things now.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
And what as do you Universal Mind.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Map Bless your Heart. As we said, this podcast is
probably going to break in July, and in July it
should be on Amazon dot Com and universal mind map
AI fascinates me and chat ChiPT and back in July

(27:22):
twenty twenty three, I asked chat chept, can you give
me sixty four principles like the eyechain that human beings
have to master if we're to evolve to be our
best And eighteen seconds later I had sixty four principles
and oracle decks. There are thousands of them, but they're

(27:44):
all designed by people. They represent a point of view.
All religions come from a person, all philosophies from a person.
What I got is universal mind. I got all of
human wisdom from psychology, religion, self help, philosophy. It went
through in the algorithm found these sixty four principles that

(28:07):
are universal, and I call that the universal mind. The
universe of mind concept comes from a pre an early
Greek philosopher, but it's the idea that everything is mind,
the deity is mind, and you can't actually access the
mind of God, but you can get close to it

(28:29):
if you get a whole globe collective human wisdom. And
these principles I got, you know, like insights, self awareness,
recognizing your strengths and weaknesses, humility, humility, authenticity, not being
a fraud in life. We all wear masks, right, but
you got to these know what masks you're wearing acceptance, surrender.

(28:54):
And I didn't make these up. You know, I'm looking
at them right now. I didn't make these up. Universe
well chat GPT found them and I took each of
these and I made using AI for art, I made
a card. And because they're not by one human being,

(29:14):
you can absolutely rely on it as a curriculum for
living these sixty four principles. And when you do a
card shuffle or a random number generator, you can allow
the universal mind to school you with certainty that you're
following a curriculum for living based on all of human wisdom.

(29:34):
This ain't me, This is all of humanity coming up
with this. And I'm very very excited about this thing.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Now. Now I want to kind of shift over to AI.
Do you think AI, Oh, well, then she kind of
take over. Wow, I was taken over the Internet. But
do you think it will kind of take over like
some businesses? You know, you know, like stores?

Speaker 4 (29:59):
You know, st it already has every time every time
you go to an ATM machine instead of going to
a clerk. Uh, you know, every time you put your
car on cruise control, like I have a car that adjusts,
it's a it's a I chat. You know, you go
into a store and suddenly you get a bot online.

(30:23):
It's going to communicate with UH, what's going to happen?
H And I got some pushback. The art in my
deck is generated by AI. I can't imagine what the
world is going to look like. Uh to be an artist?
You know, when I was an ad guy, we used
to hire photography from art photographers and it would be expensive.

(30:43):
You know, a thousand, thousands of dollars you can get
if you say, uh, you know I want I want
a christ go shortening can in a lady's hand and
she's waving to her neighbor. Eighteen seconds later, you got that.
You don't have to pay six thousand dollars for a photographer.

(31:04):
It's changing the world. It's removing jobs. I don't know
what it's going to end up being. And that's even
disregarding the impact it's going to have on you know,
we're now in twenty twenty four. Everyone knows forty years
ago nineteen eighty four is written or is about that year?
What's going to happen when the government you know everything,

(31:24):
and they know a heck of a lot.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Anybody who wants to, you know, follow you on social
media knows an horrible amount of stuff about you. Your
preference is your posts. It's changing humanity. I emphasize the
positive thing of it, the idea that we can use
AI to give us an objective look in ourselves at

(31:47):
what humanity has generated in the last four thousand years.
In wisdom, that's a positive spend and that's what you
know I'm focused on, and I love the fact that
I use it for work. We had a problem recently
in my house thinking the roof sleeping, so I went
on AI right away and I said, you know, I'm

(32:08):
in New England. I've got a roof this sized house.
What are my options? I think eighteen seconds later, very
very very clear. You know, you don't have to go
to somebody who's a roofer and get his opinion. Medical
that already diagnosing people with AI. What's going to happen,

(32:31):
you know to a doctor? Will the benefit doctors go down?
If he was a book by George or George or Well, no, HG.
Well is the time machine where he hypothesized the future
where humanity does nothing because everything is done for us, everything,

(32:51):
and people become lazy and indolent. They got no purpose.
So you know, this is twenty twenty. For I got
no idea what's going to happen. I find it exciting
the parts that I'm interested in, but it's changing the world.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Do you think with AI taking over, do you think
it could be good or bad?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I would say both. I would say both, definitely, both,
even right now. Both. For example, who knows three years
from now, you could create a jacob Ai avatar that
you could program to do these interviews. Seriously, seriously, who

(33:34):
would hear what I'm saying? Respond to it? Come up
with questions? And what would you have to do? Oh
that's right, nothing, nothing, And the jacob Ai could even
get guessed for you could look and see whoever I
had recently?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
What am I? What am I? What are you? Just like?

Speaker 4 (33:52):
So you're not going to need to be doing this anymore?
And they are at that point right now. Almost the
AI generated Jake, It wouldn't, you know, look as handsome
as you. It would look obviously fake, you know, but
nonetheless you could do it. A hypnotist ah easily. You

(34:13):
could generate AI hypnosis easily with a voice, and it
might be more reliable as a human being. I don't
know about you. I have off days. AI would never
have an off day. And this is right now, this
is real, real stuff. This is not science fiction. It's
a science present. It's strange world.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
We're yeah, oh, I've seen stuff on YouTube puff ais
that's you know, that's talking from like like celebrities that
are lung dead and it sounds just real, right.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
And if you combine that with the ability that they
call a generator to the AI to respond to what
I'm saying, you program in before you retire, the kind
of questions you would ask, and you could we could
be doing this podcast us now with you as AI
and frankly with me as AI. Your AI and my
AI could get together and say we go into a podcast. Seriously,

(35:09):
I'm not joking. How do we cope with that as
a species? Are we obsolutely?

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Now? Now? And how did AI come about? Though?

Speaker 4 (35:26):
God, I have an interesting It all goes back to touring,
touring when they first began doing computers. I was actually
involved in early stage AI. I'm in Providence, Rhode Island,
and in nineteen eighty five I worked with a company
called Nestor. I was there consultant and I was training

(35:47):
salespeople to do AI, to just sell AI. And I
interviewed this guy called Leon Cooper. He was a Nobel Warriot.
Is called pattern recognition software. The software involved I barely
understood what I was when I was training people how
to do. But it's all about algorithms and computers. I

(36:10):
don't understand it. I don't understand how they You know,
that's the level of mind that is alien to me.
But it's all they look for patterns. You know, when
you say this, and when I did my search, give
me sixty four principles. The algorithm went through and looked
at people saying things about what humans need to do

(36:31):
to be their best. They compared it, they ranked it.
They came with sixty four principles. How they did it?
I got no idea.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Now, can't you tell us about your book and how
he came up with the name.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, A lot of stuff comes to me, comes to
me almost room and I will Yeah, I knew I
had done these when I wrote the book. I think
I had done like twenty on my own. Anslot journeys.
So I had a whole bunch of stuff to pull from,
and I got the idea that you could write the

(37:08):
biography not of a person, but of a soul. If
you believe that you and I are souls, we chose
to incarnate to work in certain issues our souls. Biography.
It's fascinating, you know. It goes here, it goes there,
it has this issue of that issue. I say in
the preface of my book that my own biography wouldn't

(37:31):
hold anybody's interest. You know, it's pretty pretty mundane. You know,
I'm an elderly guy living in the suburbs and file
the grandfather husband some success as an ad writer. How
interesting is that? Not very but my soul, you know,
SS guy Egypt aguard to the Pharaohs. My favorite life

(37:57):
of all an African shaman, Of all the lives I
ever experienced, whether it's real or not by the ways
set before, I don't know, but this experience was beautiful.
I was important in my village. I was the mediator
between this world and the next, and in that life,
just like today, I didn't quite know what I was

(38:19):
doing was real or not. I did all the chance perfectly.
I had these experiences of me leading groups, of me
going curing the chief of the village, and I was
as amazed as everybody when he got well, you know,
because I did everything right. But I had this question,
you know, this question in my mind so that my

(38:39):
soul's biographies photobiographies is something I think worth finding out
about it. I think anyone's is, anyone's soul has a
more interesting series of incarnations than any particular incarnation.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Well, and why do you think that that people don't
read in recarnation.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
That's a good question, and it's important to remember that
roughly forty percent of the world does. Because you have Hinduism, Buddhism,
a lot of Eastern religions do. Some early Christian movements
believed in it. Basically, we're a product of Western civilization.

(39:25):
Some esoteric Jewish writings that the Kabbala will allude to it,
but the Christian Judaeo Christian tradition doesn't. Gentlemen, and we're
raised in that. And then you add on top of that,
so and then you add on that science and science

(39:45):
until Ian Stevenson came along, pooh poohed it because you
couldn't measure it. And now science, has a belief in
science and a lot of people who are scientists. I mean,
this thing Ian Stevenson did is real. I mean this
is actually documented thousands of cases. It's not made up.

(40:07):
It's a question of like I don't believe in gravity.
Oh that's good. Interesting, you know, try and fly. And
you know you mentioned YouTube if you YouTube Reincarnation Child

(40:27):
ninety eleven, and there was a Netflix documentary that talked
about this kid. And this kid was well a little
guy and he's talking about firefighting with confidence, with knowledge,
and he got the attention to me and Stevenson or
somebody like him, and they traced where he was the unit.

(40:51):
He described everything about it. He knew the guy's name.
He's a little guy five years old. He's not about
the bad people that destroyed the building. He'll tell you
the names of people on his team documented. So you
can choose to not believe that if you want, but
I would suggest it's real. It really is real. This

(41:14):
is how it works, I think.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Now, And why do you think someone that lived in
a past life and why would you think that they
be kind of recarnated today? Do you think it's karma
or do you think it's something else.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Well, karma Basically my sense of karma is what they
need to learn. The people that do what I do
believe that we choose our incarnations, we choose our parents,
our circumstances, and we sign up. It's like you're going
to go to college and you get the catalog. I'm
going to major in this, I'm going to take this, this, this,

(41:51):
I'm going to choose these professors and then you come
down and next thing, you know, you're incarnated. So it
is working out evolution with the idea in my opinion
and others, of getting closer and closer and closer to
cooperation with deity, that God, I think, uh, universal minds, source,

(42:13):
whatever you want to call it, is working within humanity. Ah,
that's my own sense of it, and that our purpose
on life is to grow and and you get some
enlightened individuals. You know, they're like they're like the next species.

(42:34):
You know. I don't want to be controversial, but you
can think about great religious leaders that started great movements
as if they are a new species almost you know,
Jesus Christ, miracles, walking on water, appearing in different places,
healing the sick. Uh. You know, if you if you
look at that kind of thing as this is the

(42:55):
next in fact, and I can't figure, I can't find
where this came from in the in the Bible, he's
talked about as the son of man, son of Man,
you know, like like, what's next for us? Anyway?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Now, how in your book? And what can't people expect
to read?

Speaker 4 (43:21):
What can they expect to read? Oh?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
What can they take away from it?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
I wrote this book because it just came out of me,
this work of passion. But my point is that anybody
could write your own autobiographies. You do some past life work,
you get to know yourself at a different level, and anybody.
The book is intended as an invitation to people to

(43:46):
try it, to give themselves a chance to see. And
as I mentioned before, there are lots and lots of practitioners.
You know, find one that you resonate with and start
a journey and get to know yourself at a different level.
If you think about chess, you got chess, then you've

(44:07):
got three dimensional chess when you're playing all and this
LORC is about three dimensional living, living in your incarnation.
But also I got here's an example someone that does
what I do hypnosis for years. I'm very dependent on reputation,
and I got a bad Yelp review and in my world,

(44:31):
a one star was somebody that I had never worked with,
but I'd screwed up an appointment. I offered to work
with this lady for free. I felt so bad about
missing the appointment, but instead she scathed me and help.
I am a horrible person. No professionally. I went nuts,

(44:51):
and that's why I say the first place to go
isn't past lives. But you know, I talked to friends
and I try to talk myself down, and I reached
out to her and I said, really, I'm an inmate.
It worse, so I contacted one of the practitioners i'd
worked with and I said, you know, this is driving
me nuts. Let's do something. And I found myself in

(45:13):
the fifteenth century as a cleric, a brother, brother Thomas,
and I'm the happiest guy in the world. I live
with my turret, I got my books. I'm a man
of God, I love theology, and I'm teaching young men
to become clerics and monks. So I could feel the turret.

(45:37):
I could feel the gown, the roughness of the gown,
the bear anyway, this kid comes into my class. He
is the nephew of the bishop, and in those days,
nephew of the bishop meant the bishop's illegitimate son. And
he doesn't want to be in my class. He's disrespecting me,
you know, he doesn't want to be there. What I

(45:59):
should've done, his brother Thomas would say, Okay, you don't
need this. You're gonna be fine, You're gonna be a preacher,
you're gonna be a monsigne, You're you know, take the
day off. Instead of what I did is I went nuts,
and I talked to the abbot, and I see the abbot,
you gotta help me. This is terrible. I thought the
abbot was my friend. The abbot went to the bishop
and said, brother Thomas is giving your nephew a hard time.

(46:22):
So I got called into the bishop's office and the
bishop tears me a new one. Who do I think
I am giving his nephew a hard time? I'm nothing.
I go back to the monastery. I'm demoted. I'm not
a teacher anymore. Now I work in the kitchen. And
in that life I experience being so despairing that I

(46:45):
hung myself. I'd got thing, and I went out to
a tree and I hung myself. And suicide is never
a good idea and the repercussions go lifetimes. So I
was experiencing and at the time I was teaching hypnotism.
That's another topic anyway. So I experienced this thing with

(47:05):
with the brother Thomas life and immediately the problem in away.
I could say, Okay, I got a bad YEP review.
I got lots and lots and lots of five stars.
I got one bad one, so what and normalized. And
that's what's available to people in past life work.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
If you now, uh sorry, I don't mean to cut
you off. Uh Now, when you uh how when you
recount these uh these past life stories, can you picture
yourself there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:36):
But when I when I when I do it, like
I said, I am, I'm at the higher end of responsiveness.
Suddenly I'm there. You know. I can see it, I
can taste it, I can smell it. When I was
in the blacksmiths so I could smell the smoke, I
could hear the metal as these clanging. Most people don't
have that. It's just like responsive hypnosis are amazing at it.

(48:01):
Twenty percent of very resistant, most are in the middle.
I'm at the top end of it. But everybody I've
ever worked with has had an experience and has had
a benefit, and some of them are like me, you know,
there'll be tears rolling down their face. I had a
guy recently drowned in the office. He was in a shipwreck.

(48:22):
He's drowning, you know. But again, to get the benefit
out of this, you got to go with an open mind.
You can't go and expecting you're going to have John
Coning experience, whatever your names, you would have a Jacob
experience suitable for you. You know, your own experience, and
to expect something other than that, we'll just work against

(48:42):
the process. Hypnosis generally is based on bypassing the analytical mind.
You know, we have a conscious mind, analytical which votes good, bad, right, wrong.
Hypnosis is bypassing that to get to the subconscious and
the past life. Work to get below that into the
soul memory.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Now you've mentioned that that hypnosis how can help with smoking?
How to can help with weight loss? As a matter
of fact, you know from the sound of a you know,
hit a hip about everything.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Anytime you want to change the way you think, the
way you act, or the way you feel, hypnosis can
help you. I mean a lot of work I've done
over years has been sports hypnosis. People that get the yips,
they want to improve their golf game. I for what
if a reason I had referrals from I've worked a
lot of girl gymnastics cheerleading teams. If you're a cheerleader

(49:37):
and they do this thing like you know it's gymnastics
and the little girl that stands on the top. Terrified
show jumpers. I work with lots of show jumpers. If
you're doing it, you got your horse. You're going to
jump over something. If you're anxious, your horse is going
to sense it. So I routinely get referrals from a
trainer or two that teaches show you these are all

(50:01):
you know, and they really really really want to do
a good job and they want to win. And if
they if they communicate their anxiety to the mount because
I don't know, if you can picture that, I've pictured
it working with these people. You know you're going and
you're going to jump into the air, and if the
horse hits the barrier, you're going to fall. You can
kill yourself. And if you're focused on that, you're the

(50:25):
animal is going to get actions. It might misstep. So
anytime I want to change the way you think actor feel.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Now, Now, have you ever had someone can request something
weird about it about you know, high kypnosis? Have you
have you ever had somebody requests, uh, something kind of
weird or strange.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Let me see here, I'm thinking, Uh, I've had a
couple that aren't appropriate to talk about here that I've
turned down. I have had a couple of weird things
that I just suggested they see a psychi interest. I
know you'd like to be an adult baby, but I'm

(51:05):
not going to hypnotize you to wet your bed. That's
a real one. That's a real one.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Now, where can people get your book? It's it on Amazon.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
It's on Amazon. And by this point, hopefully the Universal
Mind Map Orclementation System for Personal Transformation should be on
there too. But the book is on there, has been
on there, and I think that that the card deck
should be on there too.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
All right, All right, John, that's about Raptor for this interview.
But before we go, before we go, oh, let's ask
my's always ask my guests if they got to close
in thought? So do you got to close and thought?
How much time do I have It depends how on
you want to go.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Okay, this is one. This is one of the cards.
This is the number one card. It's called a mirror.
In each of these cards, I start with a quote
and then I end with an assignment. And here's this
is a good I think the quote is from Socrates.
It's called the mirror. The unexamined life is not worth living.
It's from Socrates. It may be an overstatement to say

(52:10):
that a life without self reflection is not worth living,
but it should be obvious and to evolve into your
best self, you're going to need a clear sense of
your strengths and weaknesses. Today is the day to make
your life an examined one. Take a look into the
mirror of your soul, tell yourself the truth of what
you see there, the good and the not so good,
and create your own mental, physical, and spiritual balance sheet.

(52:31):
What's working, what isn't, What are you good at, what's challenging.
Consider it's a spiritual accident that when something is bothering you,
there's something wrong with you. Stop blaming people and situations
where you're upset, and look at your role in things.
Whether you make a formal list or simply meditate on it,
notice the emotional, physical, and spiritual negatives and positives, and

(52:55):
ask universal mind to boost your strengths and minimize your weaknesses.
Unless the good times role and the assignment is to
make self reflection a vibrant daily habit. And that's whether
you reflect lifetimes or just take a look at where
you are today. So that is that's my final thought.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
You know you're not an avatar, are you, Jacob? You're
not an AI.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
No, you're not. No, I'm not all right, John, what
don't thank you for coming on the podcast, which I
had fun, which I already enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
I had a great time. I love what you do.
What a wonderful thing you do.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Unusual people, Oh yeah, oh yeah, which I appreciate it
all right. And that wraps up this week a conversation
with Jacob. Tune in next week as we talked to
Adam Pearce all the way from France, as we talk
about comas and near death experiences.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Beautiful you're Jacob.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, So that wraps it up this week. So until then,
be safe, God bless and we'll catch you next Monday.
And right here on Conversations with Jacob
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