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Speaker 1 (00:38):
Got any partners. You're listening to Conversations with Jacob, hosted
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
On what's going on everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of Conversations with Jacob. And also a big thank
you to Jakethorn for that intro. Speaking of Jakethorn, I
don't know when it's going to air because I'm filming
a lot here, so probably around November. I guess he'll
(01:50):
be another Jake Thorn interview, and that's going to be
in person, because when this goes up, it'll be in August.
So so I guess I could tell you guys what's
kind of been happening. Uh uh, let's see. Uh, it's
kind of hard to play out uh, kind of real
(02:11):
life to uh to when you guys see this. Anyways,
I traveled down to Mount Every, North Carolina back in
July at I sat down with Jake Thorn and we
had a good conversation. And so be looking for that
I guess in November. But anyways, and welcome back to
another episode of Conversations with Jacob right here on YouTube
(02:35):
and where podcasts are available. Uh, before we get to
our guest this week, who is Jack Lawrence. Oh, it's
going to do a few podcast plugs. Uh. You can
check out the podcast every Monday at one pm.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
UH.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You can check out our You can check out the
website Conversations with jacobpodcast dot web dot com, upcoming shows,
past guests, and and so much more. You can also
check out my good friend mister Ada Newsom from from
Two Chairs No Waiting and Andy Griffith fan podcast, uh
TO life shows. The Life shows are Mondays at eight pm.
(03:13):
Oh you go to uh to two chairsnowading dot com
or on YouTube. Speaking of Ida News, I want to
let Ada News kind of tell you more about the podcast.
And right here is auDA Newsome.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Andy Barney, Opie Goober, Floyd de Barber that's some of
the names from the Andy Griver Show. Drop by Two
Chairs No Waiting, the Andy griff Show Fan Podcast, and
we'll visit with some of those folks, along with tribute
artists and fans and just all kinds of things related
to the Andy Griffith Show. I'm your host, Alan Newsom,
and you can find the show Two Chairs No Waiting
(03:49):
at two Chairsnowaiting dot com or on iTunes.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And thank you very much Adam for that promotional. Now,
my guest this week is Jack Lawrence. He the writer
of a few books just tonight just name a few.
It's a sere. His book is Through the Ashes. Then
there's Blood Thorn, then there's Thorn Lake and Bed of Thorns. So,
(04:16):
with no further ado, please welcome Jack Lawrence to conversations
with Jacob. Welcome aboard, Jack, Hey, thank you, thanks for
having me absolutely. Now, I guess to get things kind
of started here. Can you tell us how you began
becoming a writer.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So I've always had, you know, some interest in writing,
always thought it would be fun to try. And about
five years ago I had an idea. I was working
in mental health field, and I an idea about a
therapist whose client suddenly goes missing and he becomes very concerned,
kind of decides to take upon himself to look for
(04:56):
when the police aren't taking his concerned serious. And I
had sat on the idea for about four years and
I ended up selling my practice, and I was kind
of at a crossroad point of, you know, I want
to do something else in the middle health field, or
do something else entirely. Wasn't really sure what my next
step was going to be, and so I wrote this
(05:19):
a little novella, little fan fiction book that I thought
it was a total blast ride. It was a lot
of fun, but there wasn't really a whole lot I
could do with it because of this fan fiction, and
I didn't know how to you know, get it out
there to the people. So I decided to actually sit
down and write this book that I've been thinking about
for four years, which was Blood Thorn. And initially it
(05:43):
was just one of those things where I was going
to self publish it and hopefully somebody somewhere read it,
thought it was decent and be that. But I kind
of took on a life of its own and you know,
started getting into bookstores and it became now it's a
six time bestseller, won award, so it really kind of
(06:05):
took on its own little life force if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Now, was writing a thing that you always had a passion.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
For, Yeah, I would say so. I would always write
stories as a kid, and then in high school and
college I did a couple of editorials for the school
papers things like that. I always preferred writing the you know,
fifteen page essay and report over tests. So writing itself
(06:36):
was always kind of a release for me, and even
if it was something like a research paper, I found
it front.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So now, and what does your process look like as
a writer.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think every book is a little bit different. Like
the David Thorn books Blood of Thorn, Bed of Thorns,
and Thorn Mike, they're kind of just sit down so
writing type books, and they unfolded as they went. Whereas
with Through the Ashes, which comes out in August and
(07:12):
I've been waiting, both of which are more thrillers. They
they're part of a little bit more planning, a little
bit more research, and so those I did a very
limited pre write. I don't really do pre rights and
plotting in general, but with those I took a little
bit more time in that area before I wrote them,
(07:33):
and the book I'm currently writing, The Consultant is more
of a police procedural but kind of in the same
way as the David Thorn books, just more procedural based
than mystery based. That one's are part of a whole
lot of research, like interviewing police departments, you know, things
(07:56):
like that, just so that I can get all the
details right. So it really kind of depends on the book,
I think, and then what it asks for as far
as what research I do and how long I spend
in the early stages plotting and planning and things like that.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Now, how's a writer on how many words and do
you put into a book?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It depends. I think for the David Thorne books it's
pretty consistent about sixty thousand, and then the Consultant is
going to probably be upwards of eighty thousand or so,
So it kind of just depends on the book.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
How how when you do these words in the book?
And do you kind of keep track of how many
works you have left?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
No, not really. I kind of am with the Consultant
just because it's longer than the others. But with the
other ones, that's it's more the story tell itself and
when the story is doing, the story is done, so
it'll change, you know, through editing and things like that.
I'll add several thousand words and I take away boards
(09:10):
here they So my main thing is to tell the
story now.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And now, what is the most challenge in part of
being a writer.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I would say the marketing for sure. I mean there's
so many writers out there, so many great books that
to make yourself really stand out, you know, that's that's
hard enough. But then also to get people willing to
you know, invest in your product, you know, that's a
that's a whole nother challenge kind of in of itself.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Uh. And how do you market a book? And as
an independent writer.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I think traditionally they would tell you, you know, social media,
but I actually don't do a whole lot of social
media marketing. A lot of my marketing so far is
the doing getting out and meeting people, you know, various
events or bookstores things like that. And I've also been
fortunate enough to be picked up by several bookstores, so
(10:10):
they help push books and from there it's kind of
a lot of word of mouth. I also leave you know,
I donate a copy of all of my books to
local libraries, and if there's a free little library, I'm
fere familiar with those, but usually the parks and neighborhoods,
I'll leave them there, you know, free copies. So I
(10:33):
just put the book out there and hopefully people will
pick it up. And I think word of mouth has
really gone a long way from me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Now, how and how long does it take to write
a book?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I like to not spend more than three months writing
a first draft, and typically it's about a five month process.
So I'll write the actual book anywhere from two to
three months and then well it'll go through a couple
of rounds of editing over the next month or two,
and then it goes to the beta readers. So you know,
(11:06):
six months probably tops from the time I write the
first word. It's ready to be out there.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now, now has a writer and what you decide to
write about Nicks? Because because I know that, because I
know sometimes because I know sometimes can might get hard
to decide what to write next.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, absolutely, because there's for me, the problem is settling
on an idea because so many ideas come up and
they all sound fun and interesting things I'd like to explore.
So the David Thorne books pretty much. It's progressive, right,
So I'm picking up sometime within a year of when
the previous book ends, and so it's kind of what's
(11:51):
the next big thing that's happening in David's life basically,
so that those are kind of easy when it comes
to figuring out what comes to ks for him. The
other books, a lot of times it's I'll get a
scene or phrase or just something that kind of sparks
an idea for a story, and then if it's very
(12:13):
interesting to me, I'll throw that, you know, at the
front of the line, and if it's not as interesting,
it might fall spot or two back.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Now, And what do you see pitcher struggles as a writer?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I would say the biggest struggle is probably getting out more,
meaning more bookstores, more, more events. You know. I kind
of tend to attend the same events every year. I
(12:51):
would like to meet more other writers and network more.
So I think some of those things are probably the
biggest struggles.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now. And what kind of books? And do you enjoy
writing the most?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I really enjoy the mystery genre. They all kind of
have a thriller aspect to them, but I think it's
the mystery part of it that really draws me in.
You know, so far all the books have done pretty
quick crime thrillers and mystery thrillers, but it's kind of
that mystery of the figuring out the who, the how,
(13:31):
the why, the and grab has been the most And
then the fact that they're you know, more action packed
and quick pace is also always exciting because you get
to write all the fun shootouts and things like that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Now, did you ever think that you'd be writing all
these books?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
No? I thought Bloodthorne would probably be it, And then
once I wrote Blood Thorn, I thought, well, maybe, you know,
once a year it might be cool to have a
follow up to the series. But then once it started going,
you know, it was really nice because let me take
(14:13):
those that were coming up and actually put life to
him rather than you having to say someday.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Now speaking of your books, can tell us I'm about
a few of your books kind of what they're about.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
H So the David Thorn books always follow David Thort
He's a family therapist. The first book, like I said,
a client goes missing and the police, you know, they
don't they don't suspect anything's wrong. He knows that his
client vacations and secluded, very reclusive northern Indiana community, and
(14:56):
so he goes up there, kind of sneaks his way
in a little bit, and it's about him trying to
figure out what happened to his client, because he's he's
not really a smooth he's not really a detective, doesn't
have you know, the acumen to to do police work
or investigation. It's him really just being a normal person
(15:19):
trying to solve this mystery. And so he has to,
you know, call people in to help him. So he
calls in his best friend, who's homicide detective from Indianapolis.
He meets a local waitress who community knows the people.
The second one is him and his love interests, and
(15:41):
again the best friend. His love interests best friend is
murdered and so she asks uh for David's help in
figuring that out. The third one, his mother is on
a cross country trip and when they land in Arkansas,
it's a visitor for a week. He word that she
was attacked and she had seen a body on the beach.
(16:07):
But of course when the police come or David, he's
determined to figure out what happened to this body, who
it was, and why his mother was attacked. Ultimately, I'd
Been Waiting as a psychological thriller, and it follows Amari,
who when she was seventeen, she was attacked in the
woods by somebody she trusted, and she leaves town pretty
(16:30):
quickly thereafter and dedicates her life to removing herself as
much as possible from her childhood everything that came with
that town. And so when her father has a heart attack,
it forces her back home basically, and she quickly learns
that everything she'd been running from was always waiting for.
(16:51):
Through the Ashes, it's about a man, Ethan, who his
family had been murdered a year before for in a
very personal attack yeared toward him from an organized crime organization,
and so he's more or less been in hiding for
the past year, and he comes to the conclusion that
(17:14):
he's going to end his own life. But just as
he's about to, an old friend you know, comes knocks
on the door and interrupts the whole thing. And as
soon as the old friend shows up, a lot of
strange things start happening, and Ethan's pretty convinced that either
(17:35):
this friend has something to do with that, or somebody
followed him and they're there to finish what they'd started.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Now, Oh, would you like to see one of your
books turn into a movie? If so, on which one.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I think? I think, of course that that would be
the dream for any writer, for sure. And I I
would love to see the David Thorn series be more
of a series, right, like a TV show, just because
when it comes to a series, there's so much more
you can do. I'm saying with the consult and which
(18:12):
I'm turning. And then I think as far as like
an actual movie I've been waiting would probably be the one.
And I've actually been talking to some independent filmmakers, so
there's there's always the hope that you know, we can
get that done, but no guarantee of course.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Now and now? And where can't people get your book set?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, so they can get them anywhere. Amazon of course
sells them, but any bookstore you can order them. If
they don't I don't already stop them, Walmart, Target, Myer,
anywhere where you want to buy a book you can
place the order. And then of course my website if
you want to sign copy, all.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Right, and and what is your website?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Jack Lawrence writing W R I T I N g
dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
All right, all right, David, Oh, so I'm out of
questions here, but but before we go, before we go, uh,
how can people thought you on a social media.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I'm on Facebook and Instagram. Instagram I believe is author
underscore Jack dot Larrence and then Facebook I think is
just Jack Lawrence author with Jack Warrence Underscore author.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
All right, And usually before I close up the podcast,
I like to ask my guests if they have a
closing thought. Huh do you got a closing fault? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think if you have a dream or you know,
chase it as hard as possible can, or twenty minutes
a day that you can dedicate to it because you
never really know what that's going to turn into. And
so if it's a passion and something that fules you
and they love regardless, so anything else going on, and
(20:28):
I dedicate those few minutes to an hour a day
and you never know what it's going to do.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Absolutely, oh what Jack?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Which I want to thank you again for coming on
the podcast. Absolutely, thank you, oh absolutely all right. That
wraps it up this week for conversations with Jacob. Tune
in next week for another interview. Until then, God bless
and we'll kidch you guys right here Next, we own
(21:01):
conversations with Jacob
Got any partners. You're listening to Conversations with Jacob, hosted
by my good friend Jacob Waller. Make sure to check
out the podcast where podcasts are available, and check out
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(01:07):
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at gmail dot com. Now here's your host, Jacob Waller.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
On what's going on everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of Conversations with Jacob. And also a big thank
you to Jakethorn for that intro. Speaking of Jakethorn, I
don't know when it's going to air because I'm filming
a lot here, so probably around November. I guess he'll
(01:50):
be another Jake Thorn interview, and that's going to be
in person, because when this goes up, it'll be in August.
So so I guess I could tell you guys what's
kind of been happening. Uh uh, let's see. Uh, it's
kind of hard to play out uh, kind of real
(02:11):
life to uh to when you guys see this. Anyways,
I traveled down to Mount Every, North Carolina back in
July at I sat down with Jake Thorn and we
had a good conversation. And so be looking for that
I guess in November. But anyways, and welcome back to
another episode of Conversations with Jacob right here on YouTube
(02:35):
and where podcasts are available. Uh, before we get to
our guest this week, who is Jack Lawrence. Oh, it's
going to do a few podcast plugs. Uh. You can
check out the podcast every Monday at one pm.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
UH.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You can check out our You can check out the
website Conversations with jacobpodcast dot web dot com, upcoming shows,
past guests, and and so much more. You can also
check out my good friend mister Ada Newsom from from
Two Chairs No Waiting and Andy Griffith fan podcast, uh
TO life shows. The Life shows are Mondays at eight pm.
(03:13):
Oh you go to uh to two chairsnowading dot com
or on YouTube. Speaking of Ida News, I want to
let Ada News kind of tell you more about the podcast.
And right here is auDA Newsome.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Andy Barney, Opie Goober, Floyd de Barber that's some of
the names from the Andy Griver Show. Drop by Two
Chairs No Waiting, the Andy griff Show Fan Podcast, and
we'll visit with some of those folks, along with tribute
artists and fans and just all kinds of things related
to the Andy Griffith Show. I'm your host, Alan Newsom,
and you can find the show Two Chairs No Waiting
(03:49):
at two Chairsnowaiting dot com or on iTunes.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And thank you very much Adam for that promotional. Now,
my guest this week is Jack Lawrence. He the writer
of a few books just tonight just name a few.
It's a sere. His book is Through the Ashes. Then
there's Blood Thorn, then there's Thorn Lake and Bed of Thorns. So,
(04:16):
with no further ado, please welcome Jack Lawrence to conversations
with Jacob. Welcome aboard, Jack, Hey, thank you, thanks for
having me absolutely. Now, I guess to get things kind
of started here. Can you tell us how you began
becoming a writer.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So I've always had, you know, some interest in writing,
always thought it would be fun to try. And about
five years ago I had an idea. I was working
in mental health field, and I an idea about a
therapist whose client suddenly goes missing and he becomes very concerned,
kind of decides to take upon himself to look for
(04:56):
when the police aren't taking his concerned serious. And I
had sat on the idea for about four years and
I ended up selling my practice, and I was kind
of at a crossroad point of, you know, I want
to do something else in the middle health field, or
do something else entirely. Wasn't really sure what my next
step was going to be, and so I wrote this
(05:19):
a little novella, little fan fiction book that I thought
it was a total blast ride. It was a lot
of fun, but there wasn't really a whole lot I
could do with it because of this fan fiction, and
I didn't know how to you know, get it out
there to the people. So I decided to actually sit
down and write this book that I've been thinking about
for four years, which was Blood Thorn. And initially it
(05:43):
was just one of those things where I was going
to self publish it and hopefully somebody somewhere read it,
thought it was decent and be that. But I kind
of took on a life of its own and you know,
started getting into bookstores and it became now it's a
six time bestseller, won award, so it really kind of
(06:05):
took on its own little life force if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Now, was writing a thing that you always had a passion.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
For, Yeah, I would say so. I would always write
stories as a kid, and then in high school and
college I did a couple of editorials for the school
papers things like that. I always preferred writing the you know,
fifteen page essay and report over tests. So writing itself
(06:36):
was always kind of a release for me, and even
if it was something like a research paper, I found
it front.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So now, and what does your process look like as
a writer.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think every book is a little bit different. Like
the David Thorn books Blood of Thorn, Bed of Thorns,
and Thorn Mike, they're kind of just sit down so
writing type books, and they unfolded as they went. Whereas
with Through the Ashes, which comes out in August and
(07:12):
I've been waiting, both of which are more thrillers. They
they're part of a little bit more planning, a little
bit more research, and so those I did a very
limited pre write. I don't really do pre rights and
plotting in general, but with those I took a little
bit more time in that area before I wrote them,
(07:33):
and the book I'm currently writing, The Consultant is more
of a police procedural but kind of in the same
way as the David Thorn books, just more procedural based
than mystery based. That one's are part of a whole
lot of research, like interviewing police departments, you know, things
(07:56):
like that, just so that I can get all the
details right. So it really kind of depends on the book,
I think, and then what it asks for as far
as what research I do and how long I spend
in the early stages plotting and planning and things like that.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Now, how's a writer on how many words and do
you put into a book?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It depends. I think for the David Thorne books it's
pretty consistent about sixty thousand, and then the Consultant is
going to probably be upwards of eighty thousand or so,
So it kind of just depends on the book.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
How how when you do these words in the book?
And do you kind of keep track of how many
works you have left?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
No, not really. I kind of am with the Consultant
just because it's longer than the others. But with the
other ones, that's it's more the story tell itself and
when the story is doing, the story is done, so
it'll change, you know, through editing and things like that.
I'll add several thousand words and I take away boards
(09:10):
here they So my main thing is to tell the
story now.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And now, what is the most challenge in part of
being a writer.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I would say the marketing for sure. I mean there's
so many writers out there, so many great books that
to make yourself really stand out, you know, that's that's
hard enough. But then also to get people willing to
you know, invest in your product, you know, that's a
that's a whole nother challenge kind of in of itself.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Uh. And how do you market a book? And as
an independent writer.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I think traditionally they would tell you, you know, social media,
but I actually don't do a whole lot of social
media marketing. A lot of my marketing so far is
the doing getting out and meeting people, you know, various
events or bookstores things like that. And I've also been
fortunate enough to be picked up by several bookstores, so
(10:10):
they help push books and from there it's kind of
a lot of word of mouth. I also leave you know,
I donate a copy of all of my books to
local libraries, and if there's a free little library, I'm
fere familiar with those, but usually the parks and neighborhoods,
I'll leave them there, you know, free copies. So I
(10:33):
just put the book out there and hopefully people will
pick it up. And I think word of mouth has
really gone a long way from me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Now, how and how long does it take to write
a book?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I like to not spend more than three months writing
a first draft, and typically it's about a five month process.
So I'll write the actual book anywhere from two to
three months and then well it'll go through a couple
of rounds of editing over the next month or two,
and then it goes to the beta readers. So you know,
(11:06):
six months probably tops from the time I write the
first word. It's ready to be out there.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now, now has a writer and what you decide to
write about Nicks? Because because I know that, because I
know sometimes because I know sometimes can might get hard
to decide what to write next.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, absolutely, because there's for me, the problem is settling
on an idea because so many ideas come up and
they all sound fun and interesting things I'd like to explore.
So the David Thorne books pretty much. It's progressive, right,
So I'm picking up sometime within a year of when
the previous book ends, and so it's kind of what's
(11:51):
the next big thing that's happening in David's life basically,
so that those are kind of easy when it comes
to figuring out what comes to ks for him. The
other books, a lot of times it's I'll get a
scene or phrase or just something that kind of sparks
an idea for a story, and then if it's very
(12:13):
interesting to me, I'll throw that, you know, at the
front of the line, and if it's not as interesting,
it might fall spot or two back.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Now, And what do you see pitcher struggles as a writer?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I would say the biggest struggle is probably getting out more,
meaning more bookstores, more, more events. You know. I kind
of tend to attend the same events every year. I
(12:51):
would like to meet more other writers and network more.
So I think some of those things are probably the
biggest struggles.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now. And what kind of books? And do you enjoy
writing the most?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I really enjoy the mystery genre. They all kind of
have a thriller aspect to them, but I think it's
the mystery part of it that really draws me in.
You know, so far all the books have done pretty
quick crime thrillers and mystery thrillers, but it's kind of
that mystery of the figuring out the who, the how,
(13:31):
the why, the and grab has been the most And
then the fact that they're you know, more action packed
and quick pace is also always exciting because you get
to write all the fun shootouts and things like that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Now, did you ever think that you'd be writing all
these books?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
No? I thought Bloodthorne would probably be it, And then
once I wrote Blood Thorn, I thought, well, maybe, you know,
once a year it might be cool to have a
follow up to the series. But then once it started going,
you know, it was really nice because let me take
(14:13):
those that were coming up and actually put life to
him rather than you having to say someday.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Now speaking of your books, can tell us I'm about
a few of your books kind of what they're about.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
H So the David Thorn books always follow David Thort
He's a family therapist. The first book, like I said,
a client goes missing and the police, you know, they
don't they don't suspect anything's wrong. He knows that his
client vacations and secluded, very reclusive northern Indiana community, and
(14:56):
so he goes up there, kind of sneaks his way
in a little bit, and it's about him trying to
figure out what happened to his client, because he's he's
not really a smooth he's not really a detective, doesn't
have you know, the acumen to to do police work
or investigation. It's him really just being a normal person
(15:19):
trying to solve this mystery. And so he has to,
you know, call people in to help him. So he
calls in his best friend, who's homicide detective from Indianapolis.
He meets a local waitress who community knows the people.
The second one is him and his love interests, and
(15:41):
again the best friend. His love interests best friend is
murdered and so she asks uh for David's help in
figuring that out. The third one, his mother is on
a cross country trip and when they land in Arkansas,
it's a visitor for a week. He word that she
was attacked and she had seen a body on the beach.
(16:07):
But of course when the police come or David, he's
determined to figure out what happened to this body, who
it was, and why his mother was attacked. Ultimately, I'd
Been Waiting as a psychological thriller, and it follows Amari,
who when she was seventeen, she was attacked in the
woods by somebody she trusted, and she leaves town pretty
(16:30):
quickly thereafter and dedicates her life to removing herself as
much as possible from her childhood everything that came with
that town. And so when her father has a heart attack,
it forces her back home basically, and she quickly learns
that everything she'd been running from was always waiting for.
(16:51):
Through the Ashes, it's about a man, Ethan, who his
family had been murdered a year before for in a
very personal attack yeared toward him from an organized crime organization,
and so he's more or less been in hiding for
the past year, and he comes to the conclusion that
(17:14):
he's going to end his own life. But just as
he's about to, an old friend you know, comes knocks
on the door and interrupts the whole thing. And as
soon as the old friend shows up, a lot of
strange things start happening, and Ethan's pretty convinced that either
(17:35):
this friend has something to do with that, or somebody
followed him and they're there to finish what they'd started.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Now, Oh, would you like to see one of your
books turn into a movie? If so, on which one.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I think? I think, of course that that would be
the dream for any writer, for sure. And I I
would love to see the David Thorn series be more
of a series, right, like a TV show, just because
when it comes to a series, there's so much more
you can do. I'm saying with the consult and which
(18:12):
I'm turning. And then I think as far as like
an actual movie I've been waiting would probably be the one.
And I've actually been talking to some independent filmmakers, so
there's there's always the hope that you know, we can
get that done, but no guarantee of course.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Now and now? And where can't people get your book set?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, so they can get them anywhere. Amazon of course
sells them, but any bookstore you can order them. If
they don't I don't already stop them, Walmart, Target, Myer,
anywhere where you want to buy a book you can
place the order. And then of course my website if
you want to sign copy, all.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Right, and and what is your website?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Jack Lawrence writing W R I T I N g
dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
All right, all right, David, Oh, so I'm out of
questions here, but but before we go, before we go, uh,
how can people thought you on a social media.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I'm on Facebook and Instagram. Instagram I believe is author
underscore Jack dot Larrence and then Facebook I think is
just Jack Lawrence author with Jack Warrence Underscore author.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
All right, And usually before I close up the podcast,
I like to ask my guests if they have a
closing thought. Huh do you got a closing fault? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think if you have a dream or you know,
chase it as hard as possible can, or twenty minutes
a day that you can dedicate to it because you
never really know what that's going to turn into. And
so if it's a passion and something that fules you
and they love regardless, so anything else going on, and
(20:28):
I dedicate those few minutes to an hour a day
and you never know what it's going to do.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Absolutely, oh what Jack?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Which I want to thank you again for coming on
the podcast. Absolutely, thank you, oh absolutely all right. That
wraps it up this week for conversations with Jacob. Tune
in next week for another interview. Until then, God bless
and we'll kidch you guys right here Next, we own
(21:01):
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