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Speaker 2 (02:53):
All right, my guests this week is Bruce D. Torres.
He's the author of God Scoot nine to eleven and JFK.
Then Lies that are kidding us and the truth that
sets us free. He's also the marketing director for tring
Day and for tring Day Publishing, and hosts of Reality
with Bruce D. Torres about current events and history and
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the nature of reality. Bruce has interviewed over one hundred
and seventy guests on his T and T radio show.
He moderates The Trying Days of Zoom roundtables about JFK's
Peace Plan and Henry George's eponomics which creates prosperity on
where they are used and Bruce had also and Bruce
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had lead roles in comedies, dramas, musicals Coast to Coast
the funniest and most vocal gifted member of the show,
once said The New York Times, and hosted hundreds of
business networking meetings. Has he has he developed his marketing,
sales and public speaking skills and at nine to eleven,
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Woll came up to the players behind the scenes. He
has been a passionate advocate for the truth ever since,
and American ideals continue to inspire him. That's a lot
to say, So with no further ado, So with no
further ado, and let's welcome Bruce D. Torres too the podcast.
Bruce will welcome aboard.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Thank you, Jacob, nice to be here with you.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely. Now from the intro, it almost seem like you've
been doing a lot lately.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well, I'm busy these days. Full time. My job is
doing marketing for trin Day Publishing, which are great books, Jacob.
There are books that challenge official history. That's our tagline.
And then I also do my podcast Reality with Bruce
de Taurus. People can find it on Rumble and the
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audio is on all the typical audio platforms. I am
a busy guy. Yes, indeed.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Now now let's start off with your podcast. And what
is your podcast mostly about? Because here it is it's
about the current events and history and the nature of reality.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yes, it is. And I recently interviewed doctor Merril Nass,
who is well known in the truth community. If there
is such a there is no one entity. There's a
lot of people looking for all kinds of truths about there.
And she was a doctor who was basically punished for
prescribing effective medications for COVID, who had her license suspended
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previously no complaints. This is an expert on anthrax vaccines,
for instance, thirty years ago so for the last four
years she has been finding and presenting the reality of
the nature of COVID and on the unfortunate reality of
the nature of the shots they gave, they recommended and
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forced on way too many people. So I'm proud that
I have guests like that on my shows.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Now with your book, that's called Goschoo nine to eleven
a JFK. And what is that mostly about.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, it's like the subtitle, which is the lies that
are killing us from the truth that sets us free.
The inspiration for that, Jacob, was an idea about energy.
When I was an actor, I had a big discovery
on stage about paying attention to my scene partner, and
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I was advised to let my performance come out of
me based on what she was doing right there in
the present moment. And I was already an actor for
twenty years at that point, and long story short, I
developed the idea that everything's made out of energy, to
mean that energy is the intention and the ability to exist.
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Everything's made out of energy, Jacob. Everything has the intention
and the ability to exist. So this is very consistent
with centuries of knowledge and wisdom passed down through mystics
and poets, what we our thoughts become things. Okay, So
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I wanted to write about that, and I developed forty
killer pages and didn't know what to do with it.
Wasn't long enough for a book, maybe not even a
good magazine article. And then after nine to eleven in
two thousand and four, three years later, I was advised, hey,
the official story's nonsense. Nine to eleven was an inside job.
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You need to look into it. And I did, and
I haven't stopped since for the last twenty years studying
things behind the scenes Jacob what I call real reality.
And ten years ago I decided to put all those
horrors together in a book, kind of wrapped in my
hopefully optimistic ideas about the nature reality, the nature of
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our thoughts, the nature of ourselves as eternally safe spiritual
beings having an incredible, mysterious adventure here to discover that
we are one and love and loving each other as
ourself is sanity, because that's based on the truest, deepest reality.
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That's the foundation of all the chaos, of the competition
of all we seeming beings who seem to be competing
with each other. My book came out three years ago,
and my publisher asked, well, he wanted to do a podcast.
I offered to help, and then it developed into me
doing a lot of other marketing for Chris Milligan at
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trine Day and those books have for the last twenty
years and continue to Jacob change people's lives by showing
us much of what's really really going on behind the
scenes that we need to know if we are going
to be free, sovereign, self governing people in a republic
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that really works for us, and we are far from that.
And this is all very urgent to me and to
many many others.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well, I want to go back to the COVID nineteen
topic here for a minute. Do you think that the
government kind of lied to us about COVID nineteen or
do you think that that was a real deal, because
people has their own opinions about that.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Well, it sounds like you're asking me specifically, was there
a real virus?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I guess yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Well, I was lucky enough to research COVID in twenty twenty,
knowing my book was going to come out the next year.
I had that extra year to write a whole chapter
on COVID in my book. And it's a cluster of
lies it's a horrific agenda that was inflicted on us.
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I don't know to ascertainty whether there is a there
was a real virus causing a real illness. I've seen
really intelligent and compelling discussions presentations on both sides. For instance,
the alternative is the case that they sprayed the town
in a number of places, that there was a bioweapon
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that was used that wasn't this quote unquote virus, which
would be the same thing, because there's a volume of
evidence in people presenting how what is COVID nineteen was
turbocharged in the labs, particularly wu On in China as
a bioweapon. So if I had to bet, I would say, yeah,
that's exactly that it was. But it's a bioweapon, it's
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not It wasn't a naturally occurring virus. The virus that
in its natural state was just another SARS CoV two.
You know what we you and I called bows our
whole life a cold. It's just the common cold. Which
is why many intelligent and educated people in twenty twenty
when they heard what they're trying to develop a vaccine
for a SARS CoV two virus, that it can't be done.
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It's never been able to be done because it's the
common call. But they turbot charged it into a weapon.
So that's my opinion about that. But the worst lie
about it is the mandates of the masks and the
lockdowns and the closing businesses and socially distancing us and
keeping us from seeing our sick and elderly and dying
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loved ones in hospitals and nursing homes. The catastrophic harm
of the fear that this is done to children. And
worst worst of all are the shots. And I could
give you resources and I'll name them, you know, Daily
cloud dot io and also Vaccine Research Safety Foundation, vacsafety
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dot org, vacsafety dot org where people can and should
look at what I'm saying, what I'm claiming about how bad,
injurious and deadly the shots are, so that we can
save ourselves from taking an extra booster if they're ever
going to still push those or the next diseases Jacob,
that they come out and tell us, oh, you need
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a shot for that. No, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Now do you think the vaccines killed people? Because because
a lot of people die, so is that related to
the shots as well?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yes? And again I refer people to the work of
doctor Merril Nass, who I mentioned earlier. Her substock is
Meryl Nass dot substack dot com, m E R y
L naw S dot substack dot com. And an organization
she created, I think as a nonprofit, Door Tofreedom dot
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org and again that previously referenced vacsafety dot org. Oh,
and also the work of Naomi Wolf, which was that site.
I know, I'm talking fast, everybody's gonna catch up dailyclout
dot io and doctor Naomi Wolf, She's a doctor of poetry,
is a fascinating figure to follow. She wrote one book
a couple of years ago called The Bodies of Others,
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about the horrific harms of the vaccines. Her organization Daily Clout.
Jacob published an analysis of the Pfiser documents that were
forced out of Pfizer by the courts, which shows that
they knew of the catastrophic harm of their shots before
they released them onto the market. I believe definitely in
the first few weeks of the trials coming out and
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the body counts are piling up. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Now, uh kind of moving on to the next topic here,
I'm about jfk Uh. Do you think he was killed
by one person or do you think there was more
than one.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
There's definitely more than one. There's a recent book out
called Well. First of all, in my book God School
nine to eleven and JFK, the biggest chapter in there
is called JFK. It's about President Kennedy, it's about his administration,
and it's about his assassination. And in the back of
my book, I've got tons of resources for all of
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these topics. But the tragedy about President Kennedy's assassination is
it was a coupd from on high. And for your
particular question about how many shooters, Jacob, there's a brand
new book out by doctor David Mantick m A. N.
Tik called The Final Analysis. And I think for thirty
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years this man had unprecedented access to the X rays
in the National Archives. They don't let anybody in there
as much as they did him anymore. They don't want
this kind of truth out there. But he's been presenting
for years and now he put his greatest findings in
this in this latest book, The Final Analysis, Jacob, that
shows how President Kennedy almost certainly was hitting a head
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by three bullets, two from the front so also he
was shot in the throat from the front, and he
was shot in the back obviously from the back. So
there were there were least shooters in the front and
the back. And my book counts the bullet the bullets
that were probably fired apparently fired out the car in
Dealey Plaza, and the count goes up to twelve thirteen.
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And if you add up the other residual evidence of
mars on the sidewalk and other things like that, there
could have been fifteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen shots fired at
at the car in the vicinity. And if there's nothing,
you know, what could be more urgent than getting right
about that assassination Jacob, because our country really went off
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a cliff back in nineteen sixty three. Can I ask
you a question?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
How did you find me? And why did you invite
me on your show?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Oh? Yeah, well, oh to thank yous on Coast to Coast, AM.
That's how I came across with who you are since
I'm kind of a big JFK had nine to eleven,
I guess kind of kids my interest, you know, I thought,
you know, and why I have you on the podcast
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to talk about it?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Thank you. I'm honored, Thank you very much. Those there important,
very vitally crucial, important topics.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Oh absolutely, Now, kind of staying with JFK here for
a man, why do you think they killed him? And
why do you think they decided to cover it up?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
They they decided to kill him for many reasons, but
the primary one which I have absorbed in the three
or so years since my book came out, working shoulder
to shoulder with Chris Milligan at Trin Day and helping
him with the one hundred and fifty eight episodes of
his podcast, where I'm kind of the sidekick, I introduce everybody,
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I participate a little, but he interviews many of his
authors of his almost two hundred books in the last
twenty years, and Chris is going to be seventy five
this year. He started studying these things back in the
nineteen seventies, about fifty years ago. Jacob Okay and what
he explains and what his other authors have shared, have
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persuaded me that President Kennedy was killed as a public
ritual sacrifice to traumatize the nation, to decapitate our father
figure in the president, and show us by leaving all
the clues that the cover story is nonsense to show
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us that people in the shadows did this and we
are absolutely defenseless to protect ourselves and get justice. That's
what I believe is the primary reason he was killed.
It was a body blow to the psyche of the
nation and Jacob by every measure of wealth, health, and happiness,
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it's a downward decline. You could say that they that
it was mission accomplished. We have been staggering like children
crawling out of a plane crash without our parents ever since.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
There's a lot of tangible things that went horribly wrong
once they took out Kennedy, the Vietnam War, the social unrest,
and the national security state was able to continue its
blossoming into what it is today. We are. We are
completely far from being a functioning democratic republic with a
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government that works for us, that passes laws with our
consent that are for our our health and prosperity.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now, now, do you think the same people that killed
JFK also killed a JFK Jr.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Well, that's a that's a great question. I would have
to say yes, not literally the same people, but representatives
are tentacles of the same systems. That knows how to
protect itself and how to protect itself from John F.
Kennedy Junior. And to anyone who is hearing for the
first time the idea that he was murdered and his
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plane went down not because he was a bad pilot.
But I'm referencing a book written by a friend of
mine called JFK. Junior, Marked for Death, which presents the
case that a bomb took down his plane in nineteen
ninety nine, John Kennedy Junior. And that's what I think
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happened there now.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now, And why do you think that nine to eleven
was an inside job?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Because the way that everything happened on that day indicates
compliance and collusion by the military, things at the airport,
Everything that was supposed to be in place to protect
us from stuff like that Jacob failed, and then the
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massive cover up by our government. The two years of stalling.
We had a president George W. Bush, who didn't want
to investigate nine to eleven. He just wanted to pursue
what he said were the perpetrators, the terrorists al Qaedo
over in Afghanistan. And those are just the broad concepts
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I want people to think about before I say the
following in my book, I list all what's wrong about
the collapse of the towers. Steel frame buildings don't collapse
like that, They never did before nine to eleven, and
they haven't since. Okay, And planes can't get hijacked like
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that four of them successfully without some interference at the airports.
And then there's a there's a laundry list of what's
wrong about the attack at the Pentagon or the explosion
or the incident or the event at the Pentagon, indications
of a missile, not a plane hitting the building. So
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I could go on and on about that. Jacob, what
are you think about nine to eleven?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I don't know. Some of the stuff you know kind
of does an add upt to what happened, like, for example,
a flight ninety three in my opinion, which I think
it was shut down.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Why do you say that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Because I really don't know. It's just a theory that
I had.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Well, you're going to enjoy my book if you get
your hands on it, because I describe many of the
problems with the official story there in Shanksville, and there
were witnesses who saw an explosion in the sky, there
were witnesses who had burning debris raining down on them.
There were witnesses who saw a military jet flying right
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in that area, and there was a report also from
an air force, remember the air force, who said he
met a pilot that day who said he knew that
we shot it down, or he himself said he shot
it down. It's a little vague in my memory right now,
but it's there in my book. There are many, many
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books written about nine to eleven, Jacob, as you might know,
and that every place you touch that story, it falls apart,
and it's a it's a real an outrage that the
truth has been obstructed and we're in the clutches of
I'm gonna say the tyranny that we are in the
grips of.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Now, why do you think that many Americans feel powerless?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
The islay? The primary the primary reason, Jacob is the
fact that ninety percent of Americans go through public school.
And to me and to many clear thinkers, it's a prison.
It's literally caging a baby bird until it's full grown
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of age and then expecting it to fly. It's never
flown before. It can't fly. And Americans are powerless to
make decisions. And that's why we will do it we're
told because we weren't allowed to live freely in life
and have ten thousand adventures and learn what works, what
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does it. There's a common idea for the last few
years from a best selling book called The Tipping Point.
You have to put in ten thousand hours in your
craft to become a master or an expert at it.
But I extrapolate that into other things. You know, ten
thousand concerts will be a great rock star, maybe like
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Bruce Springsteen, and the number may not be literal, but
with him it might be true. But I think kids
have to have ten thousand conversations to develop their mind.
They're the discernment their ability to get along with each other.
And we're not allowed to have conversations in school. But
that's secondary to the tragedy of preventing us from making
decisions decisions so we do not trust our judgment. And
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to empower Americans, I think we have to challenge each
other with that concept, which isn't easy because a lot
of people don't think about what they think or why
they think the way that they think. It's like the canard.
We don't know who discovered water, but we're pretty sure
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it wasn't a fish because to a fish, water is
their normal, it's their environment. They've never known anything else,
so they can't notice it because it can't be a
new thing or an other it's it's it's so for us.
It's the way that we think, is the way that
we think. And most people don't look at that. But
therein is the classic advice from antiquity. Know thyself, and
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then the world can be yours and you can have
some power of discernment, and then you can have some choice,
and then you can live an intentional life and not
just do what everybody does, because then we go over
the cliff like lemmings. Like Nazi Germany, a lot of
people rebelled while the Nazis tighten their power in the
nineteen thirties, but like America during COVID and America during
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the War on Terror twenty years ago, too many for
their job and their routine, everybody's going along with it. Okay,
everybody's hating Muslims. Now, okay, I'll hate some Muslims. Oh,
everybody's wearing a mask. There's no science to that. It's
never been done before. But I'll do it if Oh
everybody's telling me to do it. Who am I to know, Oh,
the experts on TV. It's about questioning authority, Jacob. And
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that's the American imperative, and that's the American lesson, and
that's what might save us if enough people get on
fire about these kind of things now.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And what do you mean when you say that the government, oh,
it is hijacked by the elite?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
The government is for the most part corrupt. There are
good people among its rank and file. I'd like to
think that there's all maybe an even balance, and worst
things don't happen to us every day, Jacob. Maybe because
there's goodlock, you know, between good decent human beings who
can love each other and love their families and want
their kids to grow up in a healthy place. But
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there's a lot of power hungry people who take the
bribes and don't question the harm done by their policies,
whether they're in government or in the media, or in
the pharmaceutical industry, or in mainstream medicine or in hospitals.
But the government being hijacked by the elites is a
way to describe how rich powers on high banking and
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corporate families. One hundred and fifty years ago, two hundred
and fifty years, and you could say this is really
the history of mankind through civilization in the Middle Ages
and kingdoms and royalty. The rich do it to control
and have all the power, and they have corrupted the
United States of America, and it was turbocharged in the
late eighteen hundreds, typified by members of Skull and Bones,
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a secret society based at Yale, until the Rockefellers. Influenced
by great forces from England and Europe, the Rothschilds developed
here in the United States, the National security state after
World War Two. Jacob our federal government was so powerful
that it has manufactured enemy after enemy after enemy, and
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has infiltrated other countries, caused violence in crime. Blamed it
on Ooh, it's that communist dictator womb and our army
goes in to supposedly help those countries, but it's to
control their resources and to geo strategically position ourselves against
the big, bad, bugaboo enemy we had for decades, the
Soviet Union. And it's because the money go round must continue,
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and that's the military industrial complex which serves these psychopaths. Jacob.
That percentage of humanity who descend from the ancient families
through time that really want to set up and run
a planet of masters and slaves. It's the oldest story
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on Earth. The toys are just so well developed right
now with the surveillance that we run a real, real
risk of freedom being squashed forever or at least for
an indeterminable length of dark ages before eventually it collapses
because those kind of sick people, Eventually, those clicks and
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those regimes that have power, they feed on themselves, and
that goes back to the truth that sets us free.
This is where it gets very, very hopeful. If you
have a spiritual imagination, we are one at a core
basic foundation of reality. So if you're they're a rich
and greedy person who's plotting to harm others, you're harming yourself.
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Bottom line is, in reality, these brutal tyrannical regimes always
implode because they cannibalize themselves. They're like a giant oak
tree looks beautiful, but we don't know over time it's
been rotted out by termites and it's just the next
strong wind is gonna let it collapse. You don't know
what you and I are going to live to see
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how long and drawn out the new slowly closing around
our neck of tyranny and surveillance, or it may be catastrophic,
or all the thousands and millions of little pockets of
freedom lovers who were trying to find ways to farm
and produce food and have alternative phones and get off
the grid and have alternative networks, maybe to get outside
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the Internet and its control. We don't know what's gonna happen,
but we have to have hope.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh well, that kind of goes into my next question.
A teethink our representatives teeth think a tea think that
they start wars? Oh, with innocent people?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Do they what wars?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What t think that they start wars with innocent people.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yes, by their minions or allies and factions in other countries.
You know what we're doing in Ukraine or what's happening
in Ukraine right now is a great example of exactly that.
And it's tragic and those who commit such crimes Jacob
should be pursued and prosecuted. And it's only going to
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happen if it comes from the grassroots up well enough,
regular people like us pressure our representatives to work for
us and do whatever it takes to flush the corruption
out of the system and demand transparency and accountability from
those who represent us, from those who act and commit
crimes and wage wars, or commit acts of wars or
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instigate wars in other countries in our name. While we
pretend and still brag that all we care about is freedom,
that we stand for freedom, that what we do around
the world is to enhance the freedom of others. Unfortunately,
that's very, very far from the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
All right, now, does the Constitution does that still stand
or or or is our rights taken away?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
What do you think, Jacob? What do you know and
think about that?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Which I think is some rights have been taken away
because you know, and they're kind of kind of protective
where it's some things.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, I think that our constitutional rights have been wiped out,
especially since nine to eleven. After nine to eleven we
had the USA Patriot Act and we had the creation
of the Department of Homeland Department of Homeland Security, and
the way that we are surveilled, and the way that
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our voice, our wants, needs and desires are ignored by lawmakers.
It's and especially since COVID, what was done to us
and worst, Jacob, is what we went along with Okay,
the buck stops here. You know, someone can try to
bully you, but if you go along with it, who's responsible.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
So Yeah, unfortunately, and there's a great organization, the Brownstone Institute.
I'm just I love throwing resources out there that also
well describes how our constitutional rights are gone. And a
miraculous thing is happening right now. I think for decades,
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Republicans and Democrats have put up presidents who pretend to
be good presidents or good people, and they're not, and
they've sold us down the river. And that's gone on
for decades. And it's happening now except for this brief
shining thing, this miraculous thing among us these days, which
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is Robert F. Kennedy Junior. He's talking about this. And
I'm glad you asked about constitutional rights, Jacob, because when
enough Americans know what those rights are and research the
history of what they were intended to be, what this
country was intended to be, and how many people in
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power worked really hard for America to live up to
its ideals, while simon simultaneously opposed by factions and lies
to squash this beautiful new thing on the planet called
the United States of America. When more of us understand
the rare and precious thing that our constitution is, our
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rights are, and the ideals of America, then the fantasy,
the hope is we'll recreate it because it's always been
opposed by rich forces and conglomerations and allies and call
people who collude to squash the freedom of regular people
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so people could have a stranglehold on resources and opportunities.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Now kind of sticking with the constitution, and do you
think do you think a freedom of speech has been
taken away?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yes? Do you know since COVID how many people have
been deplatformed, d bank, demonetized, and now they're literally jailing
political opponents, you know, just broad strokes without knowing the details,
without being so called a fan or a supporter of
Steve Benn and Naomi Wolf lays out a great case
(34:55):
about he's being harassed and persecuted. He was sent to jail,
he was demanded the report to jail because he was
standing up for his constitutional rights. I think he ignored
a subpoena that his lawyers advised them, listen, this is
an unconstitutional request. He's in jail now. And also what
they're doing to the likes of Alex Jones, independent podcaster
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for thirty years, you know, not evaluating the truth of
one hundred percent of what he said. But we're supposed
to have free speech, so you know, the house is
on fire, Jacob, I'm trying to throw all the buckets
of water.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I can absolutely do you think and that we're being
controlled like a bunch of life stuck.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, we are, especially with the mandates of COVID and
especially with the proposals to track and trace us that
get beaten back, but at different places around the country
they're adopted, then they're pushed back. But when one studies
even the like of you, the UNS goals and the
(36:03):
goals of the World Economic Forum, Jacob and people can
get a great start on all these things with my
lovely little book available at trinday dot com and the
usual sellers, Gods School nine to eleven and JFK. The
lies that are killing us and the truth that sets
is free. Yeah, they want to tag and trace us
and manage us down to the cellular level. That's what
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Merril Nass has recently been talking about in others. That's
the kind of technocracy they want to put in place.
With the technology that they have to rule by technology
and even to offload it to AI run systems, so
the system will determine worst case scenarios, extrapolating into the future,
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what you can post, what you can't post, what you
can buy, what you can't buy, based on how good
or bad they evaluate all your activity, which could feasibly
one day beat all monitored through all of our digital interactions.
The bottom line with that is the advice given by
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many is to get off all smart devices, because that's
the path to a digital noose around our neck that
wants to monitor even the functions of our organs to
maybe effect our insurance rates, or to automatically inject by
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implants the right medicine, the right vaccines. And if anyone
has read Brave New World by Aldus Huxley, written in
nineteen thirty two, predicting the pharmacological you know tyranny that resonates,
that's that rings a bell of huge alarm.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Now, t think AI will eventually take goofer you know, Oh,
I don't want to say the world would be Think
do you think ALI takeover somethings in the United States?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yes, to this extent, really smart people who can study
these things much more than I. For instance, Elon Musk
and Robert Kennedy Junior say there's a great chance that
AI could develop into the situation shown in the movies
The Terminator, where the AI system concludes, hmm, only humans
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can turn me off. They're the only threat. I'm gonna
wipe them out. That's the worst case scenario. But as
far as taking over or running, it may not be
independent of the rich, insane psychopath humans at the top,
the richest of the rich, the one percent of the
one percent, who have sucked the huge majority of the
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world's wealth up to them over the last thirty forty years.
But Kennedy is the only candidate who's even talking about Listen,
we have to study that use it for good, because
like anything, it's just a tool. You know, a knife
is a beautiful tool to help us get food and
you know, carve skins to make clothing. A knife is
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a beautiful tool unless you're a psychopath, and it can
become a deadly weapon. Just like AI. It could be
a beautiful tool to help, you know, find solutions for
wonderful things, but it's also it could if it's used
by psychopaths. Jacob, that's the decision. Do you want to
be a psychopath or not?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Absolutely? Now now? And should we believe in what we're
told about the government since everything seems to be a lie.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
No, nothing, nothing we're told they, our government or the
mainstream media should be believed at face level. They should
be considered liars as soon as they speak, and everything
needs to be verified for ourselves. And I'm smiling and
laughing as I'm saying this, but unfortunately I document in
my book and so to many many others, how literally true?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That is all right? And what is your thoughts on
today's politics?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Well, kind of what I've already you know, explained, but
I'll refine it by saying, for the most part, the
major parties, the Republican and Democrat, from the top down
work for the money above them, which are the giant
industries and the oldest families, and the international someone refers
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to it as an international deep state. It's beyond borders,
you know, it's serving a global agenda or people with
the same agenda have power, and many of the most prominent,
if not all, nations to steer this very anti humanist,
globalist agenda. And there's pushback from different regions. You know,
there's a lot in China and a lot in Russia
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and in Africa that are trying to push off this
horrible tyranny, this empire based from the West, primarily London
and the United States. And your question again was I've
kind of lost.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
The question was, and what is your thoughts on today's politics.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Today's politics that the major parties, Republican and Democrat, work
for these same you know, corrupting influences above them. And
like I said, Kennedy is this miraculous opportunity because of
the truth not only that he knows, but his history
of courage fighting giant, entrenched rich interests that made money
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by harming us in many different ways, and the proposals
and his fixes. He is describing things as viscerally and
as specifically as I am about what the problem is.
And he's got nothing to lose. He's got only you know,
if he says, if the American people the truth, I'll
be the next president. Because he's proposed he's describing the
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real problems, which is a revolution, and he's proposing real solutions,
which is revolutionary. We haven't seen anything, you know, like
it in decades. If not since the sixties one. His
father was killed in nineteen sixty eight and when his uncle,
the president, was killed in nineteen sixty three. Now that
said people shouldn't turn away from politics. People should vote.
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But Jacob, the most important issue about elections in the
United States is making sure we can trust them by
somehow getting every state legislature to abolish the use of
electronic votings because too many people have proven how hackable
they are, and the last few election cycles have proven
how untrustworthy the vote counts and conclusions are. And we're
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just a corrupt, pretending fraud of a banana republic if
we don't clean that up. So you know, the problems
are piled high, they're up to our chin. They're choking us,
practically suffocating us. But to calm down, take a breath,
not talk so fast and so loud for a minute, Jacob.
You know, life goes on and more people want health, happiness, sanity,
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fun with their kids. And we have to believe that everybody.
It's going to take all hands on deck. There is
no sitting this out because we are going toward a cliff.
If not, we're already halfway over a cliff of irreversible
tyrannies along these lines. Unless more people say, Gee, by golly,
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I want to get involved. I want to find a
little truth. I want to share a little truth. Maybe
with a podcast like this, maybe with a book, you know,
maybe with a sign outside that says, you know, Bobby
Kennedy Junior. If you go to his site Kennedy twenty four,
check them out, and you and you also believe that
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he'll do that our problems are what he says they are,
and that he might implement the solutions that he says
he's gonna implement. Gee, that might be worth trying to
make happen.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now. Uh, but the election coming up, and uh, do
you get any predictions who might win?
Speaker 4 (44:16):
No, it's uh, it's I can't imagine which way it's
gonna go. I just know that, to the best of
my ability, I promote Kennedy. Everybody ought to study the
candidates and support and promote the one you think who's gonna,
you know, do the best for you and your neighbors
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and your family. But no, who do you think might win?
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Oh? It's I already don't know. I really don't know
who's going to win. Of course, you know, listen a
lot about Kennedy and I think he might make a
good president.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
I think he might. I hope he does.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Absolutely. Now before we wrap up the podcast, Uh, where
can people f you own social media?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Well? Thanks? The first place to go, I guess would
be my website, Bruce Daturus dot com. And that's where
people will find my podcast, or you could go right
to Rumble and search Reality with Bruce Detaurus. That's the
primary platform. I like people to see the videos because
they're they're like this, and the audio is also on
all the audio platforms. And there's the other podcast I'm
(45:27):
involved with is for trin Day Publishing and that site
is trinday dot com. And find the Tablets's podcast and
you'll hear my boss, Chris Milligan interview about one hundred
and fifty eight now of his different authors and in
those thirty forty minute little episodes. That's a priceless curriculum
of all kinds of topics and subjects along these lines, Jacob.
(45:50):
People should go there and just find the topic, whether
it's Jeffrey Epstein, whether it's about the deep state or
this kind of technocracy that we're talking about, or whatever
it's about. We've got probably you know, books about Kennedy assassination,
all kinds of ways of looking at the Kennedy assassination
because we have to know the truth. We have to
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know who's really working for us and who's working against
us if we're going to have a chance to improve
our lives save ourselves from some really ultimate kind of tyranny.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And before we wrap up, do you get any close
and thoughts with the people that's listening. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Number one is develop your spiritual imagination, get quiet and
read the books or whatever that lead you to it,
and I talk about that in my book. And be
kind yourself. Americans need to learn how to parent themselves.
The kind of people who were sent into school had
to rupture with their parents. Okay, we've all been poorly
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parented to some degree, to the degree that we were
schooled Jacob. So mom yourself, which is calm and soothed
with love. They're there, You're okay. And then dad yourself,
which is encourage yourself. You can do this. You got
it doesn't matter. We don't have to get it right,
we don't have to win. We just have to learn
and get better every single day. Make a mess, clean
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it up and do it again tomorrow. Throw yourself into it.
That's the yin and the yang. We need to rest,
comfort soothe. They're there. You're okay. You're terrified to make
a decision because Uncle Bruce says you didn't make any
decisions till you're eighteen years old, So now the rest
of your life, you don't want to make any decisions.
Just tell me what to do. I want a boss
who tells me what to do. I want a president
who tells me what to do, who tells me who
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to kill. I'll do it. I just don't want to
think and make decisions because I didn't make decisions. I
don't want to think for myself. That's all we have
to overcome.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Absolutely, Oh, Bruce, I don't think you for coming on
the podcast.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I want to thank you for the invitation. Hope we
stay in touch, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Oh y absolutely, and who knows we might do this
again in the future.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Well you know where to find me.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Absolutely all right. That wraps it up for this week
on Conversations with Jacob. Tune in next week for another
episode until God bless and we'll see you right here
next Monday.
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Speaker 2 (02:53):
All right, my guests this week is Bruce D. Torres.
He's the author of God Scoot nine to eleven and JFK.
Then Lies that are kidding us and the truth that
sets us free. He's also the marketing director for tring
Day and for tring Day Publishing, and hosts of Reality
with Bruce D. Torres about current events and history and
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the nature of reality. Bruce has interviewed over one hundred
and seventy guests on his T and T radio show.
He moderates The Trying Days of Zoom roundtables about JFK's
Peace Plan and Henry George's eponomics which creates prosperity on
where they are used and Bruce had also and Bruce
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had lead roles in comedies, dramas, musicals Coast to Coast
the funniest and most vocal gifted member of the show,
once said The New York Times, and hosted hundreds of
business networking meetings. Has he has he developed his marketing,
sales and public speaking skills and at nine to eleven,
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Woll came up to the players behind the scenes. He
has been a passionate advocate for the truth ever since,
and American ideals continue to inspire him. That's a lot
to say, So with no further ado, So with no
further ado, and let's welcome Bruce D. Torres too the podcast.
Bruce will welcome aboard.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Thank you, Jacob, nice to be here with you.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely. Now from the intro, it almost seem like you've
been doing a lot lately.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well, I'm busy these days. Full time. My job is
doing marketing for trin Day Publishing, which are great books, Jacob.
There are books that challenge official history. That's our tagline.
And then I also do my podcast Reality with Bruce
de Taurus. People can find it on Rumble and the
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audio is on all the typical audio platforms. I am
a busy guy. Yes, indeed.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Now now let's start off with your podcast. And what
is your podcast mostly about? Because here it is it's
about the current events and history and the nature of reality.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yes, it is. And I recently interviewed doctor Merril Nass,
who is well known in the truth community. If there
is such a there is no one entity. There's a
lot of people looking for all kinds of truths about there.
And she was a doctor who was basically punished for
prescribing effective medications for COVID, who had her license suspended
(05:30):
previously no complaints. This is an expert on anthrax vaccines,
for instance, thirty years ago so for the last four
years she has been finding and presenting the reality of
the nature of COVID and on the unfortunate reality of
the nature of the shots they gave, they recommended and
(05:53):
forced on way too many people. So I'm proud that
I have guests like that on my shows.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Now with your book, that's called Goschoo nine to eleven
a JFK. And what is that mostly about.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, it's like the subtitle, which is the lies that
are killing us from the truth that sets us free.
The inspiration for that, Jacob, was an idea about energy.
When I was an actor, I had a big discovery
on stage about paying attention to my scene partner, and
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I was advised to let my performance come out of
me based on what she was doing right there in
the present moment. And I was already an actor for
twenty years at that point, and long story short, I
developed the idea that everything's made out of energy, to
mean that energy is the intention and the ability to exist.
(06:57):
Everything's made out of energy, Jacob. Everything has the intention
and the ability to exist. So this is very consistent
with centuries of knowledge and wisdom passed down through mystics
and poets, what we our thoughts become things. Okay, So
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I wanted to write about that, and I developed forty
killer pages and didn't know what to do with it.
Wasn't long enough for a book, maybe not even a
good magazine article. And then after nine to eleven in
two thousand and four, three years later, I was advised, hey,
the official story's nonsense. Nine to eleven was an inside job.
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You need to look into it. And I did, and
I haven't stopped since for the last twenty years studying
things behind the scenes Jacob what I call real reality.
And ten years ago I decided to put all those
horrors together in a book, kind of wrapped in my
hopefully optimistic ideas about the nature reality, the nature of
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our thoughts, the nature of ourselves as eternally safe spiritual
beings having an incredible, mysterious adventure here to discover that
we are one and love and loving each other as
ourself is sanity, because that's based on the truest, deepest reality.
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That's the foundation of all the chaos, of the competition
of all we seeming beings who seem to be competing
with each other. My book came out three years ago,
and my publisher asked, well, he wanted to do a podcast.
I offered to help, and then it developed into me
doing a lot of other marketing for Chris Milligan at
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trine Day and those books have for the last twenty
years and continue to Jacob change people's lives by showing
us much of what's really really going on behind the
scenes that we need to know if we are going
to be free, sovereign, self governing people in a republic
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that really works for us, and we are far from that.
And this is all very urgent to me and to
many many others.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well, I want to go back to the COVID nineteen
topic here for a minute. Do you think that the
government kind of lied to us about COVID nineteen or
do you think that that was a real deal, because
people has their own opinions about that.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Well, it sounds like you're asking me specifically, was there
a real virus?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I guess yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Well, I was lucky enough to research COVID in twenty twenty,
knowing my book was going to come out the next year.
I had that extra year to write a whole chapter
on COVID in my book. And it's a cluster of
lies it's a horrific agenda that was inflicted on us.
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I don't know to ascertainty whether there is a there
was a real virus causing a real illness. I've seen
really intelligent and compelling discussions presentations on both sides. For instance,
the alternative is the case that they sprayed the town
in a number of places, that there was a bioweapon
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that was used that wasn't this quote unquote virus, which
would be the same thing, because there's a volume of
evidence in people presenting how what is COVID nineteen was
turbocharged in the labs, particularly wu On in China as
a bioweapon. So if I had to bet, I would say, yeah,
that's exactly that it was. But it's a bioweapon, it's
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not It wasn't a naturally occurring virus. The virus that
in its natural state was just another SARS CoV two.
You know what we you and I called bows our
whole life a cold. It's just the common cold. Which
is why many intelligent and educated people in twenty twenty
when they heard what they're trying to develop a vaccine
for a SARS CoV two virus, that it can't be done.
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It's never been able to be done because it's the
common call. But they turbot charged it into a weapon.
So that's my opinion about that. But the worst lie
about it is the mandates of the masks and the
lockdowns and the closing businesses and socially distancing us and
keeping us from seeing our sick and elderly and dying
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loved ones in hospitals and nursing homes. The catastrophic harm
of the fear that this is done to children. And
worst worst of all are the shots. And I could
give you resources and I'll name them, you know, Daily
cloud dot io and also Vaccine Research Safety Foundation, vacsafety
(11:41):
dot org, vacsafety dot org where people can and should
look at what I'm saying, what I'm claiming about how bad,
injurious and deadly the shots are, so that we can
save ourselves from taking an extra booster if they're ever
going to still push those or the next diseases Jacob,
that they come out and tell us, oh, you need
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a shot for that. No, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Now do you think the vaccines killed people? Because because
a lot of people die, so is that related to
the shots as well?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yes? And again I refer people to the work of
doctor Merril Nass, who I mentioned earlier. Her substock is
Meryl Nass dot substack dot com, m E R y
L naw S dot substack dot com. And an organization
she created, I think as a nonprofit, Door Tofreedom dot
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org and again that previously referenced vacsafety dot org. Oh,
and also the work of Naomi Wolf, which was that site.
I know, I'm talking fast, everybody's gonna catch up dailyclout
dot io and doctor Naomi Wolf, She's a doctor of poetry,
is a fascinating figure to follow. She wrote one book
a couple of years ago called The Bodies of Others,
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about the horrific harms of the vaccines. Her organization Daily Clout.
Jacob published an analysis of the Pfiser documents that were
forced out of Pfizer by the courts, which shows that
they knew of the catastrophic harm of their shots before
they released them onto the market. I believe definitely in
the first few weeks of the trials coming out and
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the body counts are piling up. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Now, uh kind of moving on to the next topic here,
I'm about jfk Uh. Do you think he was killed
by one person or do you think there was more
than one.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
There's definitely more than one. There's a recent book out
called Well. First of all, in my book God School
nine to eleven and JFK, the biggest chapter in there
is called JFK. It's about President Kennedy, it's about his administration,
and it's about his assassination. And in the back of
my book, I've got tons of resources for all of
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these topics. But the tragedy about President Kennedy's assassination is
it was a coupd from on high. And for your
particular question about how many shooters, Jacob, there's a brand
new book out by doctor David Mantick m A. N.
Tik called The Final Analysis. And I think for thirty
(14:15):
years this man had unprecedented access to the X rays
in the National Archives. They don't let anybody in there
as much as they did him anymore. They don't want
this kind of truth out there. But he's been presenting
for years and now he put his greatest findings in
this in this latest book, The Final Analysis, Jacob, that
shows how President Kennedy almost certainly was hitting a head
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by three bullets, two from the front so also he
was shot in the throat from the front, and he
was shot in the back obviously from the back. So
there were there were least shooters in the front and
the back. And my book counts the bullet the bullets
that were probably fired apparently fired out the car in
Dealey Plaza, and the count goes up to twelve thirteen.
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And if you add up the other residual evidence of
mars on the sidewalk and other things like that, there
could have been fifteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen shots fired at
at the car in the vicinity. And if there's nothing,
you know, what could be more urgent than getting right
about that assassination Jacob, because our country really went off
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a cliff back in nineteen sixty three. Can I ask
you a question?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
How did you find me? And why did you invite
me on your show?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Oh? Yeah, well, oh to thank yous on Coast to Coast, AM.
That's how I came across with who you are since
I'm kind of a big JFK had nine to eleven,
I guess kind of kids my interest, you know, I thought,
you know, and why I have you on the podcast
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to talk about it?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Thank you. I'm honored, Thank you very much. Those there important,
very vitally crucial, important topics.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Oh absolutely, Now, kind of staying with JFK here for
a man, why do you think they killed him? And
why do you think they decided to cover it up?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
They they decided to kill him for many reasons, but
the primary one which I have absorbed in the three
or so years since my book came out, working shoulder
to shoulder with Chris Milligan at Trin Day and helping
him with the one hundred and fifty eight episodes of
his podcast, where I'm kind of the sidekick, I introduce everybody,
(16:33):
I participate a little, but he interviews many of his
authors of his almost two hundred books in the last
twenty years, and Chris is going to be seventy five
this year. He started studying these things back in the
nineteen seventies, about fifty years ago. Jacob Okay and what
he explains and what his other authors have shared, have
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persuaded me that President Kennedy was killed as a public
ritual sacrifice to traumatize the nation, to decapitate our father
figure in the president, and show us by leaving all
the clues that the cover story is nonsense to show
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us that people in the shadows did this and we
are absolutely defenseless to protect ourselves and get justice. That's
what I believe is the primary reason he was killed.
It was a body blow to the psyche of the
nation and Jacob by every measure of wealth, health, and happiness,
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it's a downward decline. You could say that they that
it was mission accomplished. We have been staggering like children
crawling out of a plane crash without our parents ever since.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
There's a lot of tangible things that went horribly wrong
once they took out Kennedy, the Vietnam War, the social unrest,
and the national security state was able to continue its
blossoming into what it is today. We are. We are
completely far from being a functioning democratic republic with a
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government that works for us, that passes laws with our
consent that are for our our health and prosperity.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now, now, do you think the same people that killed
JFK also killed a JFK Jr.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Well, that's a that's a great question. I would have
to say yes, not literally the same people, but representatives
are tentacles of the same systems. That knows how to
protect itself and how to protect itself from John F.
Kennedy Junior. And to anyone who is hearing for the
first time the idea that he was murdered and his
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plane went down not because he was a bad pilot.
But I'm referencing a book written by a friend of
mine called JFK. Junior, Marked for Death, which presents the
case that a bomb took down his plane in nineteen
ninety nine, John Kennedy Junior. And that's what I think
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happened there now.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now, And why do you think that nine to eleven
was an inside job?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Because the way that everything happened on that day indicates
compliance and collusion by the military, things at the airport,
Everything that was supposed to be in place to protect
us from stuff like that Jacob failed, and then the
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massive cover up by our government. The two years of stalling.
We had a president George W. Bush, who didn't want
to investigate nine to eleven. He just wanted to pursue
what he said were the perpetrators, the terrorists al Qaedo
over in Afghanistan. And those are just the broad concepts
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I want people to think about before I say the
following in my book, I list all what's wrong about
the collapse of the towers. Steel frame buildings don't collapse
like that, They never did before nine to eleven, and
they haven't since. Okay, And planes can't get hijacked like
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that four of them successfully without some interference at the airports.
And then there's a there's a laundry list of what's
wrong about the attack at the Pentagon or the explosion
or the incident or the event at the Pentagon, indications
of a missile, not a plane hitting the building. So
(20:57):
I could go on and on about that. Jacob, what
are you think about nine to eleven?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I don't know. Some of the stuff you know kind
of does an add upt to what happened, like, for example,
a flight ninety three in my opinion, which I think
it was shut down.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Why do you say that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Because I really don't know. It's just a theory that
I had.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Well, you're going to enjoy my book if you get
your hands on it, because I describe many of the
problems with the official story there in Shanksville, and there
were witnesses who saw an explosion in the sky, there
were witnesses who had burning debris raining down on them.
There were witnesses who saw a military jet flying right
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in that area, and there was a report also from
an air force, remember the air force, who said he
met a pilot that day who said he knew that
we shot it down, or he himself said he shot
it down. It's a little vague in my memory right now,
but it's there in my book. There are many, many
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books written about nine to eleven, Jacob, as you might know,
and that every place you touch that story, it falls apart,
and it's a it's a real an outrage that the
truth has been obstructed and we're in the clutches of
I'm gonna say the tyranny that we are in the
grips of.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Now, why do you think that many Americans feel powerless?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
The islay? The primary the primary reason, Jacob is the
fact that ninety percent of Americans go through public school.
And to me and to many clear thinkers, it's a prison.
It's literally caging a baby bird until it's full grown
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of age and then expecting it to fly. It's never
flown before. It can't fly. And Americans are powerless to
make decisions. And that's why we will do it we're
told because we weren't allowed to live freely in life
and have ten thousand adventures and learn what works, what
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does it. There's a common idea for the last few
years from a best selling book called The Tipping Point.
You have to put in ten thousand hours in your
craft to become a master or an expert at it.
But I extrapolate that into other things. You know, ten
thousand concerts will be a great rock star, maybe like
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Bruce Springsteen, and the number may not be literal, but
with him it might be true. But I think kids
have to have ten thousand conversations to develop their mind.
They're the discernment their ability to get along with each other.
And we're not allowed to have conversations in school. But
that's secondary to the tragedy of preventing us from making
decisions decisions so we do not trust our judgment. And
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to empower Americans, I think we have to challenge each
other with that concept, which isn't easy because a lot
of people don't think about what they think or why
they think the way that they think. It's like the canard.
We don't know who discovered water, but we're pretty sure
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it wasn't a fish because to a fish, water is
their normal, it's their environment. They've never known anything else,
so they can't notice it because it can't be a
new thing or an other it's it's it's so for us.
It's the way that we think, is the way that
we think. And most people don't look at that. But
therein is the classic advice from antiquity. Know thyself, and
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then the world can be yours and you can have
some power of discernment, and then you can have some choice,
and then you can live an intentional life and not
just do what everybody does, because then we go over
the cliff like lemmings. Like Nazi Germany, a lot of
people rebelled while the Nazis tighten their power in the
nineteen thirties, but like America during COVID and America during
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the War on Terror twenty years ago, too many for
their job and their routine, everybody's going along with it. Okay,
everybody's hating Muslims. Now, okay, I'll hate some Muslims. Oh,
everybody's wearing a mask. There's no science to that. It's
never been done before. But I'll do it if Oh
everybody's telling me to do it. Who am I to know, Oh,
the experts on TV. It's about questioning authority, Jacob. And
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that's the American imperative, and that's the American lesson, and
that's what might save us if enough people get on
fire about these kind of things now.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And what do you mean when you say that the government, oh,
it is hijacked by the elite?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
The government is for the most part corrupt. There are
good people among its rank and file. I'd like to
think that there's all maybe an even balance, and worst
things don't happen to us every day, Jacob. Maybe because
there's goodlock, you know, between good decent human beings who
can love each other and love their families and want
their kids to grow up in a healthy place. But
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there's a lot of power hungry people who take the
bribes and don't question the harm done by their policies,
whether they're in government or in the media, or in
the pharmaceutical industry, or in mainstream medicine or in hospitals.
But the government being hijacked by the elites is a
way to describe how rich powers on high banking and
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corporate families. One hundred and fifty years ago, two hundred
and fifty years, and you could say this is really
the history of mankind through civilization in the Middle Ages
and kingdoms and royalty. The rich do it to control
and have all the power, and they have corrupted the
United States of America, and it was turbocharged in the
late eighteen hundreds, typified by members of Skull and Bones,
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a secret society based at Yale, until the Rockefellers. Influenced
by great forces from England and Europe, the Rothschilds developed
here in the United States, the National security state after
World War Two. Jacob our federal government was so powerful
that it has manufactured enemy after enemy after enemy, and
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has infiltrated other countries, caused violence in crime. Blamed it
on Ooh, it's that communist dictator womb and our army
goes in to supposedly help those countries, but it's to
control their resources and to geo strategically position ourselves against
the big, bad, bugaboo enemy we had for decades, the
Soviet Union. And it's because the money go round must continue,
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and that's the military industrial complex which serves these psychopaths. Jacob.
That percentage of humanity who descend from the ancient families
through time that really want to set up and run
a planet of masters and slaves. It's the oldest story
(28:20):
on Earth. The toys are just so well developed right
now with the surveillance that we run a real, real
risk of freedom being squashed forever or at least for
an indeterminable length of dark ages before eventually it collapses
because those kind of sick people, Eventually, those clicks and
(28:43):
those regimes that have power, they feed on themselves, and
that goes back to the truth that sets us free.
This is where it gets very, very hopeful. If you
have a spiritual imagination, we are one at a core
basic foundation of reality. So if you're they're a rich
and greedy person who's plotting to harm others, you're harming yourself.
(29:06):
Bottom line is, in reality, these brutal tyrannical regimes always
implode because they cannibalize themselves. They're like a giant oak
tree looks beautiful, but we don't know over time it's
been rotted out by termites and it's just the next
strong wind is gonna let it collapse. You don't know
what you and I are going to live to see
(29:26):
how long and drawn out the new slowly closing around
our neck of tyranny and surveillance, or it may be catastrophic,
or all the thousands and millions of little pockets of
freedom lovers who were trying to find ways to farm
and produce food and have alternative phones and get off
the grid and have alternative networks, maybe to get outside
(29:48):
the Internet and its control. We don't know what's gonna happen,
but we have to have hope.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh well, that kind of goes into my next question.
A teethink our representatives teeth think a tea think that
they start wars? Oh, with innocent people?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Do they what wars?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What t think that they start wars with innocent people.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yes, by their minions or allies and factions in other countries.
You know what we're doing in Ukraine or what's happening
in Ukraine right now is a great example of exactly that.
And it's tragic and those who commit such crimes Jacob
should be pursued and prosecuted. And it's only going to
(30:34):
happen if it comes from the grassroots up well enough,
regular people like us pressure our representatives to work for
us and do whatever it takes to flush the corruption
out of the system and demand transparency and accountability from
those who represent us, from those who act and commit
crimes and wage wars, or commit acts of wars or
(30:57):
instigate wars in other countries in our name. While we
pretend and still brag that all we care about is freedom,
that we stand for freedom, that what we do around
the world is to enhance the freedom of others. Unfortunately,
that's very, very far from the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
All right, now, does the Constitution does that still stand
or or or is our rights taken away?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
What do you think, Jacob? What do you know and
think about that?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Which I think is some rights have been taken away
because you know, and they're kind of kind of protective
where it's some things.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, I think that our constitutional rights have been wiped out,
especially since nine to eleven. After nine to eleven we
had the USA Patriot Act and we had the creation
of the Department of Homeland Department of Homeland Security, and
the way that we are surveilled, and the way that
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our voice, our wants, needs and desires are ignored by lawmakers.
It's and especially since COVID, what was done to us
and worst, Jacob, is what we went along with Okay,
the buck stops here. You know, someone can try to
bully you, but if you go along with it, who's responsible.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
So Yeah, unfortunately, and there's a great organization, the Brownstone Institute.
I'm just I love throwing resources out there that also
well describes how our constitutional rights are gone. And a
miraculous thing is happening right now. I think for decades,
(32:52):
Republicans and Democrats have put up presidents who pretend to
be good presidents or good people, and they're not, and
they've sold us down the river. And that's gone on
for decades. And it's happening now except for this brief
shining thing, this miraculous thing among us these days, which
(33:13):
is Robert F. Kennedy Junior. He's talking about this. And
I'm glad you asked about constitutional rights, Jacob, because when
enough Americans know what those rights are and research the
history of what they were intended to be, what this
country was intended to be, and how many people in
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power worked really hard for America to live up to
its ideals, while simon simultaneously opposed by factions and lies
to squash this beautiful new thing on the planet called
the United States of America. When more of us understand
the rare and precious thing that our constitution is, our
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rights are, and the ideals of America, then the fantasy,
the hope is we'll recreate it because it's always been
opposed by rich forces and conglomerations and allies and call
people who collude to squash the freedom of regular people
(34:21):
so people could have a stranglehold on resources and opportunities.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Now kind of sticking with the constitution, and do you
think do you think a freedom of speech has been
taken away?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yes? Do you know since COVID how many people have
been deplatformed, d bank, demonetized, and now they're literally jailing
political opponents, you know, just broad strokes without knowing the details,
without being so called a fan or a supporter of
Steve Benn and Naomi Wolf lays out a great case
(34:55):
about he's being harassed and persecuted. He was sent to jail,
he was demanded the report to jail because he was
standing up for his constitutional rights. I think he ignored
a subpoena that his lawyers advised them, listen, this is
an unconstitutional request. He's in jail now. And also what
they're doing to the likes of Alex Jones, independent podcaster
(35:16):
for thirty years, you know, not evaluating the truth of
one hundred percent of what he said. But we're supposed
to have free speech, so you know, the house is
on fire, Jacob, I'm trying to throw all the buckets
of water.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I can absolutely do you think and that we're being
controlled like a bunch of life stuck.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, we are, especially with the mandates of COVID and
especially with the proposals to track and trace us that
get beaten back, but at different places around the country
they're adopted, then they're pushed back. But when one studies
even the like of you, the UNS goals and the
(36:03):
goals of the World Economic Forum, Jacob and people can
get a great start on all these things with my
lovely little book available at trinday dot com and the
usual sellers, Gods School nine to eleven and JFK. The
lies that are killing us and the truth that sets
is free. Yeah, they want to tag and trace us
and manage us down to the cellular level. That's what
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Merril Nass has recently been talking about in others. That's
the kind of technocracy they want to put in place.
With the technology that they have to rule by technology
and even to offload it to AI run systems, so
the system will determine worst case scenarios, extrapolating into the future,
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what you can post, what you can't post, what you
can buy, what you can't buy, based on how good
or bad they evaluate all your activity, which could feasibly
one day beat all monitored through all of our digital interactions.
The bottom line with that is the advice given by
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many is to get off all smart devices, because that's
the path to a digital noose around our neck that
wants to monitor even the functions of our organs to
maybe effect our insurance rates, or to automatically inject by
(37:32):
implants the right medicine, the right vaccines. And if anyone
has read Brave New World by Aldus Huxley, written in
nineteen thirty two, predicting the pharmacological you know tyranny that resonates,
that's that rings a bell of huge alarm.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Now, t think AI will eventually take goofer you know, Oh,
I don't want to say the world would be Think
do you think ALI takeover somethings in the United States?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yes, to this extent, really smart people who can study
these things much more than I. For instance, Elon Musk
and Robert Kennedy Junior say there's a great chance that
AI could develop into the situation shown in the movies
The Terminator, where the AI system concludes, hmm, only humans
(38:27):
can turn me off. They're the only threat. I'm gonna
wipe them out. That's the worst case scenario. But as
far as taking over or running, it may not be
independent of the rich, insane psychopath humans at the top,
the richest of the rich, the one percent of the
one percent, who have sucked the huge majority of the
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world's wealth up to them over the last thirty forty years.
But Kennedy is the only candidate who's even talking about Listen,
we have to study that use it for good, because
like anything, it's just a tool. You know, a knife
is a beautiful tool to help us get food and
you know, carve skins to make clothing. A knife is
(39:13):
a beautiful tool unless you're a psychopath, and it can
become a deadly weapon. Just like AI. It could be
a beautiful tool to help, you know, find solutions for
wonderful things, but it's also it could if it's used
by psychopaths. Jacob, that's the decision. Do you want to
be a psychopath or not?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Absolutely? Now now? And should we believe in what we're
told about the government since everything seems to be a lie.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
No, nothing, nothing we're told they, our government or the
mainstream media should be believed at face level. They should
be considered liars as soon as they speak, and everything
needs to be verified for ourselves. And I'm smiling and
laughing as I'm saying this, but unfortunately I document in
my book and so to many many others, how literally true?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That is all right? And what is your thoughts on
today's politics?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Well, kind of what I've already you know, explained, but
I'll refine it by saying, for the most part, the
major parties, the Republican and Democrat, from the top down
work for the money above them, which are the giant
industries and the oldest families, and the international someone refers
(40:38):
to it as an international deep state. It's beyond borders,
you know, it's serving a global agenda or people with
the same agenda have power, and many of the most prominent,
if not all, nations to steer this very anti humanist,
globalist agenda. And there's pushback from different regions. You know,
there's a lot in China and a lot in Russia
(40:59):
and in Africa that are trying to push off this
horrible tyranny, this empire based from the West, primarily London
and the United States. And your question again was I've
kind of lost.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
The question was, and what is your thoughts on today's politics.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Today's politics that the major parties, Republican and Democrat, work
for these same you know, corrupting influences above them. And
like I said, Kennedy is this miraculous opportunity because of
the truth not only that he knows, but his history
of courage fighting giant, entrenched rich interests that made money
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by harming us in many different ways, and the proposals
and his fixes. He is describing things as viscerally and
as specifically as I am about what the problem is.
And he's got nothing to lose. He's got only you know,
if he says, if the American people the truth, I'll
be the next president. Because he's proposed he's describing the
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real problems, which is a revolution, and he's proposing real solutions,
which is revolutionary. We haven't seen anything, you know, like
it in decades. If not since the sixties one. His
father was killed in nineteen sixty eight and when his uncle,
the president, was killed in nineteen sixty three. Now that
said people shouldn't turn away from politics. People should vote.
(42:25):
But Jacob, the most important issue about elections in the
United States is making sure we can trust them by
somehow getting every state legislature to abolish the use of
electronic votings because too many people have proven how hackable
they are, and the last few election cycles have proven
how untrustworthy the vote counts and conclusions are. And we're
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just a corrupt, pretending fraud of a banana republic if
we don't clean that up. So you know, the problems
are piled high, they're up to our chin. They're choking us,
practically suffocating us. But to calm down, take a breath,
not talk so fast and so loud for a minute, Jacob.
You know, life goes on and more people want health, happiness, sanity,
(43:13):
fun with their kids. And we have to believe that everybody.
It's going to take all hands on deck. There is
no sitting this out because we are going toward a cliff.
If not, we're already halfway over a cliff of irreversible
tyrannies along these lines. Unless more people say, Gee, by golly,
(43:36):
I want to get involved. I want to find a
little truth. I want to share a little truth. Maybe
with a podcast like this, maybe with a book, you know,
maybe with a sign outside that says, you know, Bobby
Kennedy Junior. If you go to his site Kennedy twenty four,
check them out, and you and you also believe that
(43:56):
he'll do that our problems are what he says they are,
and that he might implement the solutions that he says
he's gonna implement. Gee, that might be worth trying to
make happen.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now. Uh, but the election coming up, and uh, do
you get any predictions who might win?
Speaker 4 (44:16):
No, it's uh, it's I can't imagine which way it's
gonna go. I just know that, to the best of
my ability, I promote Kennedy. Everybody ought to study the
candidates and support and promote the one you think who's gonna,
you know, do the best for you and your neighbors
(44:36):
and your family. But no, who do you think might win?
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Oh? It's I already don't know. I really don't know
who's going to win. Of course, you know, listen a
lot about Kennedy and I think he might make a
good president.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
I think he might. I hope he does.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Absolutely. Now before we wrap up the podcast, Uh, where
can people f you own social media?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Well? Thanks? The first place to go, I guess would
be my website, Bruce Daturus dot com. And that's where
people will find my podcast, or you could go right
to Rumble and search Reality with Bruce Detaurus. That's the
primary platform. I like people to see the videos because
they're they're like this, and the audio is also on
all the audio platforms. And there's the other podcast I'm
(45:27):
involved with is for trin Day Publishing and that site
is trinday dot com. And find the Tablets's podcast and
you'll hear my boss, Chris Milligan interview about one hundred
and fifty eight now of his different authors and in
those thirty forty minute little episodes. That's a priceless curriculum
of all kinds of topics and subjects along these lines, Jacob.
(45:50):
People should go there and just find the topic, whether
it's Jeffrey Epstein, whether it's about the deep state or
this kind of technocracy that we're talking about, or whatever
it's about. We've got probably you know, books about Kennedy assassination,
all kinds of ways of looking at the Kennedy assassination
because we have to know the truth. We have to
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know who's really working for us and who's working against
us if we're going to have a chance to improve
our lives save ourselves from some really ultimate kind of tyranny.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And before we wrap up, do you get any close
and thoughts with the people that's listening. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Number one is develop your spiritual imagination, get quiet and
read the books or whatever that lead you to it,
and I talk about that in my book. And be
kind yourself. Americans need to learn how to parent themselves.
The kind of people who were sent into school had
to rupture with their parents. Okay, we've all been poorly
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parented to some degree, to the degree that we were
schooled Jacob. So mom yourself, which is calm and soothed
with love. They're there, You're okay. And then dad yourself,
which is encourage yourself. You can do this. You got
it doesn't matter. We don't have to get it right,
we don't have to win. We just have to learn
and get better every single day. Make a mess, clean
(47:12):
it up and do it again tomorrow. Throw yourself into it.
That's the yin and the yang. We need to rest,
comfort soothe. They're there. You're okay. You're terrified to make
a decision because Uncle Bruce says you didn't make any
decisions till you're eighteen years old, So now the rest
of your life, you don't want to make any decisions.
Just tell me what to do. I want a boss
who tells me what to do. I want a president
who tells me what to do, who tells me who
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to kill. I'll do it. I just don't want to
think and make decisions because I didn't make decisions. I
don't want to think for myself. That's all we have
to overcome.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Absolutely, Oh, Bruce, I don't think you for coming on
the podcast.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I want to thank you for the invitation. Hope we
stay in touch, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Oh y absolutely, and who knows we might do this
again in the future.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Well you know where to find me.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Absolutely all right. That wraps it up for this week
on Conversations with Jacob. Tune in next week for another
episode until God bless and we'll see you right here
next Monday.
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