Conversations with Jacob Ep.84: Life Between Lives w/ Regan Forston

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
And what's going on everybody? And welcome back to Conversations
with Jacob. I hope you guys are having a good
Monday and wherever you are. And I and I noticed
with Jake's intro, I was like kind of cut him
short right there. But that's all right. Uh oh the
next week it'll be the real deal. Uh here on

(01:13):
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Speaker 2 (03:28):
And by the way, you could check out The Life
Show's Mondays at eight pm at two Chairs Newwaiting dot
com and also on YouTube as well. All right, and
joining me this week is Recinforston. You can check out
his website visit the Afterlife dot com. He has some
books out. One of his book is three Hours of

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thirty three Minutes in Heaven, a new toscare Free that
you can visit Heaven two. Also The Reincarnation Is Real
and Phobias Gone in One Hour and How to Be
Your Own Shrink. First. The parent on the podcast was
episode fifty on February nineteenth of this year. And uh,
now here we are on episode eighty four and how

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time flies, so recan and welcome to the podcast to
make them up board.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Thank you, Jacob. Yeah, it's nice to be back again.
I've having conversations with you.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's funny. It's just like some people that are just
kind of real people, like when you're having a party
or something and you just sit and have a nice
conversation about anything religion, politics or the weather. But it's
just nice, you know, And some people are stuffy and
you just can't wait to end the conversation, you know.
But I'm glad you're You're easy to uh to communicate with,

(04:46):
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Good now.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Uh I told you before we take this that I'm
gonna turn this over to you because and what we're
going to talk about today is is kind of in
your field of work. So with no other ho for
the questions here on my end, how the floor is yours?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Okay? Yeah, jump in anytime that you want when you
think of a question. There. Oh, look what I was
on this side right here, I was trying to put
up some drapes yesterday and I just had the pull
setting on a ladder sticking out and was right when
my blind spot and I banged right into it and
started bleeding, you know, head bleeds. You know, they look more,

(05:28):
they look worse than they are, you know, because it's
hard to stop that way. But anyway, just a little
battle scar of doing you know, home repairs. You know. Anyway,
let me I'll tell people that to get more in
depth on there, if they go to your podcast and
watch episode fifty. We have this in detail, but we

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wanted to take it a little bit further this time
and talk about this new process that's been discovered that
allows anybody and anybody in the world that they want
to go to the afterlife and back. You know, there's
all this mystique about near death experiences, you know, and

(06:10):
we really I mean, when people have had a near
death experience and they're on these shows, people are just
listening because everybody has this curiosity about what's it like,
you know, what is there really an afterlife for some people?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know? And these people that have these near death
experiences are able to describe some of that. But the
problem with near death, not a problem with the experiences,
but the thing that happens to those sometimes these near
death experiences are just a flash.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Some people spend you know, a few minutes. A very
few people spend like an hour or so, you know,
in the afterlife, but they're able to come back and
give you some information about what it's like when we die,
you know, or almost die. Well, we found a process
at the Newton Institute here that activates the same thing
that happens near death experience, but it's done in a

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very scientific organized way. We don't use any drugs. This
is totally a natural thing that everybody seems to be
able to do. And it was discovered accidentally when Michael
Newton was a regular hypnotherapist back in the nineties and
he had somebody in. It was to quit smoking or

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lose weight, you know, one of the things that hypnotists.
That's the bread and butter, you know, getting people to
stop smoking, lose weight, that sort of thing. And it
was time for the person to come out of hypnosis.
And the client refused, says, no, I don't want to
come out of hypnosis. I want to I want to
go home see my friends. And doctor Newton said, well, okay,

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I'm just going to count you out. You go home,
see your friends. And said no, no, And all of
a sudden, he's having this client's having conversations and Michael
Newton said, well, who he talking to? And he says, well,
I'm talking to my dead mother, you know, or I'm
talking to my uncle or something like that. These are
people that had passed on. And Michael, he was, I

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guess he's He said, he was between an atheist and agnostic.
You know, he didn't really know if he believed in God.
He didn't know if they're believed that they haven't. But
here is this person, and he wondered if this person's crazy,
are they hallucinating or whatever's happening. But he was the
type of person was so curious about this that he
started experimenting with his clients and over a number of

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years he proceeded to have seven thousand people that would
go into this deep state of hypnosis. They would go
to heaven and back. And so he started developing this protocol,
this routine, and boy and boys, you know, his books
have sold a million copies, you know, and it's all
the things we found out about the other side because

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people and people like watching the show.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Here.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
I've been on some podcasts four or five times now
because a lot of the listeners say, Okay, we've got
to know more about this, you know, tell us more
about what's going to happen when I you know. But
it seems that the other side that they've opened up
a portal like I would call it Heaven one oh one,

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and it's to give people a glimpse of what it's
going to be like when we pass on. And I
have to say that there's seventy thousand people now we've
helped do this, and for most people it's a life
altering event because they come back the whole purpose. But
I went a second time to the afterlife, and I asked,
of that time, why are you letting me do this?

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You know, there's two hundred and fifty of us trained
that Michael Newton train now through the institute, that are
doing this all over the world. And so I asked
the council. There was a council over there on the
other side. I said, why are you letting people have
this experience? Because it's just so magnificent, And they said
the main there's three reasons. They wanted to show people

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and to give them proof for themselves that heaven is real,
that there's an afterlife, Okay. They wanted to let people
know that there's a team that's following them everywhere they go,
a guardian angel, a guide, it's assigned to you, that's
there specifically to help you. And the third thing is
they wanted people to know that you weren't born happenstance.

(10:19):
You know, you decide, you know, you chose to come down.
You chose to come down and be Jacob, to learn
to have life experience down here, and that they want
people to know and become more aware of what their
missions are because the world more than ever right now
needs everybody to be doing their mission to make the

(10:40):
world a better place because we're at a crossroads right
now in which you can just see politically wars going
on all over and we need a lot of people
that are like light workers, just like you, Jacob. With
having people like me on your show and that people
hear about this and they go, oh God, I didn't
know I could visit heaven. You know, we call the
processed life between lives because we found out in our research,

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and again we're not for any particular religion. We're not
saying oh you know, we're saying you should be a
Christian or a Buddhist, or a Jew or whatever, Jewish
or whatever. We're just saying that people go into trance,
they go to heaven. They all have a basic same experience,
which makes this more real, you know, because in a way,
we're using scientific principles of research to do metaphysical things.

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So it's almost like, you know, physical metaphysical. So some
people in our research, they go, oh, people are just
making this up in their head. You're guiding them and
telling them what to see and everything. But that's not
the case. When you have people from all different walks
of life, all different ages, all different religions, and they
go through this experience and they have basically this it's

(11:50):
like a template of what happens to them, but each
It's funny because everybody goes through the same experience, but
because everybody's an individual and they're at a different stage
of spiritual development, every session is unique, you know, to
that to that particular individual.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So can I ask a question, sure, all right, now,
with people going into these trances, do they all have
the same experience?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah? What I mean is, let me, I'll walk you
through the process a little bit. Here. The first thing
to know people listening now, this is like ninety I
have a ninety two percent success rate for anybody. Even
if they people say, oh, I don't think I could
be hypnotized. Oh I don't think I could go into
trans It's natural when people realize what it is that

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all day long we're going in and out of some
sort of trance and it's a natural thing that we do.
But we just it's so natural we don't think think
of as anything special. Everybody's in trans at least two
times a day, and that's just as you're falling asleep
and the first few seconds that you wake up in
the morning. If you look at your brain waves, you're

(13:05):
in a theta state, you know. Right then, like right
now we're talking, we're in a beta state. Okay, most
people have heard of beta waves, alpha waves, theta waves,
delta waves. Those are what scientists say, what you know
happens to our brains. So right now, if you had
a picture of our brain waves, they'd be real close

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together like this. Now, when you begin to relax or
begin to go to sleep or meditate, you know, to
calm yourself down, all of a sudden they have these
STATEA waves come in your brain waves get a little
further apart, and then after that, as you get more relaxed,
then some theta waves start coming in. And that's where
the magic seems to happen. Like if I wasn't talking

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to my clients, because we're conversing this whole time, as
they're going into trans they would just fall asleep, and
sometimes they do, and I just I just tap them
on the shoulder and I go, can you hear me?
Can you hear me? And then they they come back
to that state. So as long as I can keep
them in that state, we all seem to have the
ability to pull up memories of past lives, of memories

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of being on the other side and heaven in between
those lives. Okay, So here's the beautiful thing. So we
weren't trying to prove that past lives are that we've
lived many lives before. It just kind of proved itself
because all of these seventy thousand people to get to
the other side went back to a memory of a

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past lifetime. They saw themselves pass away, their soul left
their body, and they're they're kind of looking down at
their funeral or or you know how their bodies being
disposed of in some cases, and then when they're in
this state, then I ask them, I say, okay, now
what happens next? And they turn around and there's a
guide or an angel. Everybody has one. I mean, of

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these seventy thousand people, there's always somebody there to meet you.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
It's just like, you know, like you're like you're going
to Walmart and have a meet and reader, you know,
and he welcomes you to the store and says, they
let me show you around the store, you know, and uh,
we get the name of the guide, we start communicating
and they know what we're doing, you know. So, uh,
imagine this, Jacob, You've just gone to a past life.

(15:23):
You've just passed away. So you're that other person could
be male or female or you know, you don't know
who you were in a past lifetime. That person standing
right there in the afterlife or on the way to
that life, right next to you, and you're looking at
that of who you were You're going to face to
face with each other, of who you and and who
you were in that past life is looking at you

(15:43):
knowing that that's him in the future. You know, It's
like it's it's just it's just the hair stands up
on my when people have that experience. So then what
we do is we ask the guide to say, can
we switch to current time in other words, not who
he wasn't a past lifetime. That person can go back
on home, you know, back to heaven and the person

(16:04):
who you who's incarnated. Now we say, well, my client
now would like to visit the afterlife for a little
bit because he has questions about his life. He would
like to get some answers to he's got some things
wrong with his body, because we want to find out
if we can get some help on the health issues,
and he would like to visit like maybe mom or

(16:26):
dad or whoever's over there on the other side and
just say hi for a minute, you know that way,
And they always say sure. So what I'm going to
do now is tell you there's seven stations we call
them stations, say seven there we go, five, six, seven,
seven stations we've identified over there so far in our

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of these seventy thousand, and just to give people kind
of an overview without going into two much detail about him,
I'll tell you what we found out. Number one place,
and this is what I have all my clients go to,
and it's the most fun to experience. I would say
it's called a place of rejuvenation. Like a lot of
times when people have difficult lives, like maybe they just

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you know, we're in a battle and they died on
the battlefield and was very stressful, where they just leave
their body that their consciousness still still kind of connected
a little bit to that horrible experience they went through.
So I'll ask. I always ask the guide there says,
can my client go to his place of rejuvenation before
they go to the afterlife? They always say yes, and

(17:29):
it happens instantly like one, two, three, boom, all of
a sudden. Then I tell my client, okay, tell me
what's the setting like, and all of a sudden they're
in this beautiful place that you know that it's calming, peaceful.
A lot of times there's ponds, there's waterfalls, there's I mean,
sometimes there's like a fountain of youth kind of liquids

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to drink. Sometimes it's it's it's they just go, WHOA,
this is wonderful. So then I say, okay, I'm gonna
be quiet for a little bit and have your guide
you do the rejuvenation and when you're finished, speak up.
And because we record all this. Okay, this whole session
is recorded because people will remember a lot of things,
but because so much happens in a couple hours that

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are on the other live either side. They you know,
like a dream, when you have a dream, there's a
whole bunch of stuff happening, but you when you wake up,
you remember just a couple of the key points, but
you forget what happens, all that stuff that happened before,
which was very good information. Okay, So they go to
this place of rejuvenation. When they're done, they speak up,

(18:31):
They tell me what they went through, and they and
everybody just loves this place because you just imagine, Jacob, Now,
if you've were into a place where you felt no
aches and pains, you felt young, youthful, vibrant, you know,
that's the kind of feeling that they get. Okay, So
then there's the guide there, and in the research part
we say we always do this, We check in to

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see it. We say, okay, now, where's your guide, And
a lot of times for most people that are behind
just behind them a little bit to the right, sometimes
a little bit to the left, but a lot of
most times to the right. So they turn around and
then we say, okay, now ask your guide. My guide
was Rebzarre, which is an interesting name, Rebizarre. So if
they I'll tell them, okay, ask webs are or your

(19:15):
guide's name. If you can, uh, if it would be
best for you to go to the council to get
your questions answered about your life first, or would it
be good to go to your soul groups. You can
visit your most favorite souls that you would like to,
you know, talk to. It seems like everybody's got like
a troop of souls that they've been with for a
millennium and they're kind of your best buddies. Like I

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picture it like an acting troop, you know, where everybody
they have this troop and and and you know they've
done one kind of combination of lives and now they say, hey,
let's let's go down and do this play. And everybody
takes a part and it kind of comes down, incarnates
together and creates learning and stuff. Anyway, so it's about

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fifty to fifty. Sometimes I'll say, oh, go to soul
group first, and somehow we leave it up to the
guide to know which is the best way to go.
Now when they go to the council, when he says, okay,
you can go to the council, all instantly they're in
the council setting. So what I'll say to them, I'll say, okay,
now I'm real curious. Now look around the room and
describe to me what's the council look like. You know,

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most of the time I pictured in my mind, or
they're saying, I would say, most of the time, they're
in like I picture like a Greek temple, like marble floors,
marble walls, really clean, you know, kind of angelic, like
you picture a castle or a beautiful space and heaven.
And then I'll say, okay, now on your council, I
want you to count them from left to right and

(20:43):
tell me how many are on your council. Sometimes it's three,
sometimes it's six. Is about an average. But sometimes I've
had people have ten or twelve or even more. Sometimes
and then I have them I'll say, okay, now we're
researching here. I want you to tell me what you're seeing.
You know, Pretend I'm in a movie theater, you're watching
a movie, and I have a blindfold on and you're

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telling me what you see, and the more you tell
me what you see, the more I can help guide
them on the right thing to do. So here's where
it gets interesting where people start realizing they're not making
this stuff up. When they're seeing the council. A lot
of times sometimes they're just seeing like forms of energy
colored energy, like individual but like maybe there's a table

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there and all here's these balls of energy, like six
of them or eight of them or whatever. Sometimes they'll
see them in human form, you know, whether and most
of the time they'll describe that they're wearing some kind
of robes, you know, white robes, purple robes, whatever. Even
sometimes we ben get down to asking, well, are they
wearing any jewelry? You know, Sometimes there'll be someone there

(21:48):
that's wearing something there and then it's pretty cool because
we'll say, ask the council, why is he wearing that?
What's that signify that emblem he's wearing. And a lot
of times that emblem that there has something to do
with waking up the awareness of that person that's before
the council. It has something to do with their consciousness
or some energy they're bringing in. It's beneficial to my clients. Okay,

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so then we ask, you know, we'll ask the counselor
should we address our questions to one particular leader of
the council or should we address the council as a whole.
Most of the time now they're saying, just address it
to the council as a whole. So what my clients
do then, because they've prepared a list of questions that
they want to have answered about their life. It's generally

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the main thing that we always ask is why did
in other words, why did Jacob decide to be born?
You know, what's his mission? You know what was he hoping?
What's the main thing he was hoping to learn or
teach when he comes down and they will tell you.
And most people find out this is what's issing Jacob.
Most people find out that they're right in the middle

(22:54):
of their mission. You know, that's just been something that
they've found. But they have it. They have it, I
consciously found. It just kind of happened to them, like
your radio show, you know, like this, like you know,
you would probably find out that, yeah, you came down
here because you wanted to help spread the word, you
wanted to help you know, enlighten people about certain things,

(23:15):
to educate people and that sort of thing, and you'll
find out you're right in the middle of it. But
then we ask, Okay, is Jacob on task or is
he kind of goofing off? You know? Does he needs
to step it up? I would say about a third
of the time they say, well, doing pretty good, but
you know he's got a little sidetracked into doing this
other stuff and he needs to really concentrate more that way.

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Now here's the thing when when we think of a mission,
I think, at least I think me and I think
I'm normal in this aspect. When I thought of, like, okay,
what's my mission? We always think that it has to
be something grandiose like Martin Luther King, you know, or
Gandhi or you know, somebody that came down to just
change the world. But here's the thing. I'm to show

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you how selfless souls are. Jacob. I had a client
recently and she was just just just became a grandmother.
She had a little two year old grandson, no excuse me,
it was a granddaughter she had, and she said, her
whole life, she feels like she's just been floating around,

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you know, not had any particular you know, just job
to job, you know, had a husband, was kind of happy.
But you know, she just felt like, what's she doing?
You know, what's her life about. So here's what she
found out. The council told her that she, you know,
this was reawakening her human self, that had forgot what

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her mission was when she was on the other side.
She had chose to come down and be her so
that she could have a daughter, and that her daughter
could have a granddaughter. And her whole purpose for coming
into this world was to mentor that granddaughter. In other words,
so she her mission and was just now starting, you know,
even though she's in her sixties, you know, and that

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I'll tell you that just warmed her heart because she says,
ever since my granddaughter came here, says, I have just
felt like I tell you, just gave me new life.
Like I just love being with her. I love spending
time with her. And I said, that's because you have
the soul connection. You know, you have the soul connection.
So you've come down now spending your whole life preparing
so that when this you can spend time with this

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granddaughter to get her off on a good foot. You know,
to to you know, start teaching her about love, about
kindness in that you know. So, I mean that's a
simple mission. But isn't that beautiful, Jacob, that a soul
would come and say that I'm coming down just to
help this granddaughter here, you know, spend her whole life.
And now the granddaughter's hair now she gets just you know,

(25:47):
do what she does with her. So but a lot
of people have come down to be healers night workers.
I've had a number of mediums that come to me,
and the mediums now they don't even need to go
into trance to connect with the other side. They can
be just like you and I like, right here, if
you had a medium on the show, and she'd just
be going, Okay, this is what I see, you know,

(26:08):
eyes wide awake and everything. But the rest of us
to kind of become like a medium, we need to
get into that trans state. Okay, Okay, So now moving on,
people ask questions about their life, their love life. I
get a number of people that that are don't have
partners and they feel pretty sad, you know, or they've

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had partners that have passed away, or they've had divorces
and stuff, and they just they wonder, you know, do
I am I ever going to meet a soulmate? You know,
I mean something like that. And I've had a number
of times where just they just flat out say, you know, yeah,
you know, he's coming, you know. And then my clients
and trans and they go, whoa really you know? And

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they say, can you give me a hint? And one
of my clients they just said to her, they said,
you already know him? And she goes, she's in trance
and she goes, no, I don't know. I don't know
anybody you know like this. Here's what's funny, Jacob. A
couple of months later, she's she's in a yacht club.
She's one of the runs this yacht club. She walks
by this guy she's known for like ten years, and

(27:11):
all of a sudden, as they looked at each other,
there was that that look, you know, like little thing.
And now she's been three years, they've been she's been
happier than ever. And she says, when she saw me,
she says, Reagan, they told me I already knewhim. I
didn't believe that. But boom, a few weeks later, boom,
you know, here it is and he was already here,
you know that way. So they'll answer questions about that,

(27:33):
about people's occupations, they'll they'll they'll help give you counseling
on It's like, it's like if you had a council,
like six life coaches that were knew everything about you,
knew the best thing for it, wouldn't that be great?
Jacob would go to these and they would just Okay, Jacob,

(27:55):
this is what you need to do. It would take
the guests work out of a lot of stuff. Okay.
So that's a big in these life between life sessions.
That's a huge experience for people to go through. Now,
sometimes they'll ask questions like, you know, why did I
you know, why did I have to go through that
bad accident that I had? Or you know, why did

(28:15):
I have to have such a mean stepfather? Or why
did I have such a cruel mother or father or
something like this, And a lot of times they'll get
the bigger picture and they'll tell them here's the thing
that when people have hard things going through in their life,
the first thing they want to do is play victim
and like God, why me? Or I hate you God,

(28:36):
why are you making me do this? Blah? Blah blah blah,
Oh poor me. When people get to the other side.
So many times they find out that they chose to
come down and go through certain difficulties because they knew
by going through those difficulties it would help them to learn.
It would help them to learn to be more kind
or be more patient, or learn to forgive or whatever.

(28:59):
And when they come back out of the session, they
I've had many people tell me years later after sessions
and they go, you know, when I stopped complaining and
I realized that I chose these difficulties to go through.
When I have the difficulties, now I look at him
wholly different. I look at him as like, oh boys,

(29:21):
here's a learning experience. Okay, here we go. I'll figure
it out. Instead of complaining, they they try to find
the lesson. However, sometimes people find out that some of
the difficulties are going through is because of what we
would call karma or balancing the scales. A good example
that would be with a nurse that came to me

(29:41):
because I talked to this about this on the other show.
I think, but it's just such a good prime example.
When she worked there was three doctors that rotated you
know during the week, and this one doctor, for whatever
reason she never could figure out, was very cruel to
her all the time, would whisper things in her ear
that would make her cry and hurt her feelings. She

(30:03):
would have a panic attack just sitting in her car
knowing he was going to be there because she didn't
know why. She never did anything to this guy. She
doesn't even know I'm here. He is being cruel to
her all the time, so much so let's she has
panic attacks. She's before the council. She says to the council,
why is doctor blah blah blah so cruel to me?
And they said one sentence and then they moved on.

(30:24):
They said, you were very cruel to him in another lifetime,
you know. And she's in trance and again she's going, ah, no, no, no, no, no.
You know I didn't want to hear that, you know.
So after the session we talked about that forbid, and
she says, I know when they told me that, and
I'm thinking to myself, no, I'm not a cruel person,

(30:45):
you know, I would never do something cruel to anybody.
Well then she's thinking, well, in another lifetime, maybe I
was not, so I wasn't an angel and another lifetime
I did some mean things. Something shifted. She never talked
to him about it or thing. But a few months
later she told me, she says, ever since I had
the session, he doesn't even acknowledge me. He doesn't even

(31:07):
see me, never says anything to me, just leaves me alone.
And so I think what happened was there was a
shift in her energy, you know where I think before
she was walking around with a with a bullseye on
her back, you know, like come on, kick me, I
need to be kicked because I need to pay. But
once she realized that something shifted to her because she's
a good person. Now that I think that energy dissipated,

(31:29):
so you know, he no longer was was crueled her.
So sometimes things happen in life because difficult things, because
we're just doing getting payback. You know. It says almost
all the Holy books, like in the Bible, I believe
it says, you know you reput you. So you know,
that's the same thing as karma, you know, in other words,
they say karma is exacting to the penny, you know,

(31:50):
in other words, because you got to have that balance there,
you know. So that's the thing. And sometimes people have
problems because of free will. In other words, they came
down here to do something thing Jacob, they came down
here to accomplish something, but they got sidetracked with drugs
and you know whatever, and and they got off their path. Okay,

(32:11):
people think what we found in this research is that
when you plan your life and you come down to
accomplish certain things because of free will, your journey is
not always successful. I know, you get back to the
other side once you leave the body and it's like,
oh damn, I just hadn't done this, Oh my god,
you know, and then they have to plan another journey

(32:34):
to go down and not get messed up. So free will,
that's that's what can put a kink in things. Sometimes
takeo you know that way. So anyway, so that's just
the one we're talking about. Sometimes we're already into this,
probably about an hour from the induction, which is slow

(32:56):
and easy, so people can get to the right depth.
And I say most people can do it. And then
you know that we spend some time in the past
life and then there's their guy. They go to rejuvenation.
Now they go to the council and the next thing
we say, is now can I I'll say, I'll say,
can Jacob now go to see your soul group? And
they go, yeah, so yeah, here we go. I say, okay,

(33:17):
tell me what you're seeing? You know, where's this setting?
Most of the time it's kind of indoors and like
a you know, like a like some kind of meeting
hall or something. Sometimes outdoors it'll be where they have
like outdoor tables and stuff. But here's the beautiful thing.
When I have them, I'll say, well, now, Jacob, just
look around, and you know, don't don't tell me exactly,

(33:38):
but is there like six people in your soul group
ers they're like twenty And sometimes people say, oh, there's well,
I don't know, ten, fifteen, whatever. I say, okay, And
then I'll say, now, how are you seeing them? Do
you see them like bodies like here on earth or whatever.
Most of the time it's a combination where they like
some people, they'll say, well, oh gosh, there's my uncle Bob,

(33:59):
you know, who is my best friend grown up and
he says, I see his face. But the rest is
this energy, you know. And I'll say, well, describe what
color is the energy? You know, because we're always doing
research that way, and you can tell sometimes of souls
about how much they've progressed, Jacob, by the colors that
they exude. You know, generally speaking, the more spiritual someone is,

(34:20):
the more further along they are in their spiritual development.
You see a lot of blues and purples, you know,
and stuff and combinations. So we're still studying that asking,
you know, trying to put all that data together and
try to figure out, you know, how we can tell
how evolved is al is that way. So then what
I do as I say, okay, Jacob, I'm going to

(34:41):
quiet you there. You just said you see your dad
and you go, yeah, there's my dad. I says, Okay,
I'm gonna be quiet, and I want you to float
over or walk over, however you do it over there,
have a conversation with dad, and when you're done, let
me know and tell me what you talked about so
we can put it on the recording. Okay. So then
I'm just quiet. Sometimes I'm sometimes people will you know,
usually it's maybe a minute or two, but sometimes it's

(35:03):
five or ten minutes. I'm just setting this this perfectly silent,
and my client's having this conversation with dad, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And then.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Here's the thing that shocked me the most, that I
think is the coolest thing that we've discovered. Jacob. When
you decided to come down to be Jacob, you didn't
put all of your soul self into Jacob's body. Most
souls keep about half of themselves back home, which is home. Okay.
So that means we all have a higher self on

(35:32):
the other side, okay. And what that means is you
can have conversations not only with people that have passed away,
but you can have conversations with the higher selves of
people that are still alive in your life right now.
For instance, if you wanted to talk to your wife,
you know, over there, and some guys go, oh, I
don't know if I want to talk, she's going to

(35:52):
really be angry, you know. But it's so beautiful when
I have couples or their significant others and they can
have a talk with the higher self because they can
have a heart to heart and they can say, hey,
how am I doing? You know, how's your lower self
down there think that I'm doing. Is there anything that
he needs, you know, or she needs that I'm not providing?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
You know?

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Are there some things I need to work on with
forgiveness for some stuff that I had to put up
with her, or what about stuff she had to put
up with me? Do I you know, you can just
have and you're talking to the higher selves in the
spiritual realm, so you get such it just cuts to
the chase. You get all these honest answers, and sometimes
people don't like to hear it, so, you know, like

(36:36):
because they realize they have work to do, Jacob, Like
they got to come back and work on Oh I
got to forgive this person or I'm you know whatever.
So also too, And this is going to make a
lot of people happy here now that are pet lovers Jacob.
You probably know people. Do you have pets yourself? I do?

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, what do you have? Oh? It's I got a cat?

Speaker 4 (36:59):
You have a cat?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
The male you know, Uh, it's a male cat.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Okay, because I know there's cat people and there's dog people.
You know, it's like two different people. Right. So here's
the thing that we found out in the research is
that even your cat that's alive in your life right
now has a higher self over there. So it's been
really fun and this is the kind of an uplifting
part of a journey sometimes, so we'll ask the guides

(37:24):
over there, We'll say, is you know what's your cat's name?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
That cat stings Rocky.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Rocky Okay, So what we would say, we'd say, hey,
is Rocky's higher self here where Jacob we have a
talk to him for a minute and all the time
to say ah, they have their own separate place where
it's like an animal heaven kind of like, but they
can interact with the rest of their anytime. It's just seamless,
you know. So all of a sudden there's Rocky, you know,

(37:51):
and you're you're saying, hey, buddy, how you doing? And
because it's soul to soul, you can you can converse
with them like we're talking right now. You can ask
him a question and you'll get to answer. This is
that while you like, you know, how am I doing?
You know? Am I giving you enough lap time? Do
I need to change your food? You know? It's it's funny.

(38:12):
Recently I had a person she has two dogs. She
just loves them both, and the one dog on the
other side came up to her. She says, are you
are you doing okay? And he says, I'm really jealous
she says, why because you're giving him more lap time
than me, you know, like I want more lap time.
You know. She she's entrance and she just laughs and

(38:33):
she goes, oh gosh, that's right, I've been favored, you know.
So it was so cool because when she came back,
you know, she made sure to give that other dog
a little bit more love, a little more attention, you know,
that way. That way, that's really good. So once people
are done there, okay, then we have we have more
time because we let the client decide when it's time

(38:55):
to come back. So most of the time, the time
between the induction and the time over their average is
from like an hour and a half to about three hours.
You know, some people's lives are more complicated, some people
have more people in their soul group, or you know,
the more complicated their lives are. We try to unpack
it and get answers to all these different questions about

(39:15):
the difficulties in their life, and that can take a
little bit of time sometimes. So once they're done with
the soul group, I've asked ahead of time my clients
if they have any special talents that they have, like hobbies,
because a lot of people are musicians or artists. I
notice you have all the Elvis paraphernilay, Yeah, so that's

(39:37):
that's I really like that last Elvis movie came out,
that guy the New Elvis.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Here, Yeah, with Alston Butler.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Yes, I thought that's fabulous. I thought he was good
in that, you know. So anyway, so if they do,
like I've had musicians now when I would, I was
a music major in college, but I got an AA degree,
a two year degree in MU. But I was nineteen
years old and I was not I don't know. I
was just chasing girls, you know, I didn't you know.

(40:07):
I'd get in the piano room trying to lead music
and I could only do it for about ten minutes.
And I could but this is too hard, and I
would just improvise and stuff. So I kind of knew
chords and things like that. But I've always felt like
I wanted to create music. So one of my questions
was that my facility. So I'm in trance. My facilitator says, Reagan,
ask him about is there a place to get inspiration

(40:28):
to write music? So I asked the council, I says,
is there a place to get inspiration? They said, yes, boom.
All of a sudden, I find myself with my guide
Reebe's are I hear some beautiful violin music? I turned
around and my guide is playing this beautiful violin music.
He puts that down. He comes over to me and
he says, if you want to be inspired for music,

(40:48):
remember this room you're in right now. This is the
creative space you're in right now. And he says, and
I want you to I want you to do what
I'm doing. He took a fishing pole, had a whole
bunch of hooks on it, and he goes out into
the audience and he brought it back and on the
hooks instead of fish, were notes, you know, And so
that was a big visual image. He says, just remember

(41:10):
this and then start creating. And I did. I ended
up creating a CD like eighteen songs. I don't know
what that where it all came from. I don't know
where that.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
All came from.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Anyway. I got my first royalty check recently for ninety
eight bucks. Yeah, and like some of my songs were
played twenty two thousand times and I made ninety eight bucks,
you know. Anyway, So I've had artists go there and
here's a beautiful one here. This is I'll tell you,

(41:42):
there's so much love over there, Jacob, so much unconditional love.
Like people never feel threatened over there. They never feel
like they're being reprimanded over there. Sometimes they're a little
they're kind of strict with you, like like a parent
that really loves you and says, now, son, you got
to do this, okay, you know, But they won't be mean.
There's nothing of a meanness in their demeanor at all.

(42:06):
But had a woman come to me, and she has
been in a lot of Broadway shows as a dancer.
She just loves to dance, and she's currently she's in
her fifties now, mid fifties, and she's not working as
much now because it's going to the younger girls, okay,
and that's really kind of pissing her off, you know, like,
you know, I can dance better than them, you know,

(42:27):
but they're younger than me. So she's before the council
and she's expressing that frustration, you know, and they looked
at at her and they just looked at her and
said it's time to be a teacher, you know, and
she goes, I didn't want to hear that, you know,
because it's just a thing of life. You know, it's

(42:47):
going the younger dancers are going to get the things
she has to. Really just know that it's time for
her to teach others so that they can have the
joy that she did, you know, going through that. But
here's the cool thing. She was looking for a salsa partner.
She was like putting ads in, looking for a root
because she us an amazing salsa dancer and she wanted
to find a partner so she could do competitions, you know,

(43:09):
and she's auditioned a number of them. They're just not
up to her standard, you know. So I happened to
think I got this inspiration, and I said, ask your
guide in this if you can go to a place
where they can inspire you for salsa dancing. And they
said yes. All of a sudden, she's in this big
dance hall, Jacob, and I said, well, tell me now,

(43:30):
I can't see what's going on. What do you see?
And she says, oh my gosh, there's some there's a
couple over here and they're doing the chat cha, you know,
and oh my gosh, over here there's someone doing the waltz.
And look there's a couple people doing salsa and some
people are improving. Now that confused me because I thought, name,
what music are they listening because it's a different ument
for all that. She says, Oh, no, in the music

(43:54):
that they need to hear for their dance, you know.
Pretty cool. It's like somehow in heaven there Chawshaw people
were hearing Chowshaw music. The people do, but they were
all dancing in the same room, but they were all
hearing their own individual music, you know. So then I said,
I said, as is there who's ahead of this dance studio?
And then there was another guide or something there introduced himself.

(44:15):
I says, ask him, is there a teacher here for salsa?
And the guy said yeah, and boom there Then all
of a sudden, here's the salsa dance teacher that appeared
right before her. And then I thought, hey, this could
be cool. I said, ask him if you could have
a dance with him, you know, and the and the
instructor said sure. I says, oh, wow, okay, I'm gonna
be quiet for a little bit. I want you to

(44:36):
have a dance with the best salsa dancer in heaven
up there, and then tell me what it's like. So
she's in trance and I'm just watching her face and
she's just you know, man, she's just smiling, you know,
like she's floating and everything. So when she's finally done,
she goes, oh my god, I'll never find someone as
good as that down here. He said, that was the experience. So,

(44:59):
you know, some people listen to them. I think this
sounds too weird. This is like, but think about it, Jacob, Like,
isn't that how heaven should be? You know, it should
be a place of love and sharing and kindness. And
that shows you how the arts are really important for
our spiritual development. You know. That's why it's sad we're
some schools now are doing the way with art, they're

(45:22):
doing the way with music and that sort of thing,
because they're only teaching people to write and read, you know,
read and write and arithmetic or something, and you're when
you don't do that, you're not developing a real important
part of children, which is that creative side of their mind,
you know where, which is where you know, music and
art and all that comes from. So anyway, so then

(45:45):
so that's another So there's a place of rejuvenation people
can go before the Council, they can go to the
soul group, they can go to a place of inspiration
for for arts and so forth, and then a fifth place.
I've only had two people do this as the hundreds
I've done, because it's just it's not that important, but

(46:06):
it's kind of interesting for some people. It's a place
we discovered over there. It's called soul selection, and this
is where people go where they plan their next life.
And everybody describes it pretty much the same way. It's
kind of like a movie theater that you're sitting in
and all of a sudden there's these screens and there's
some guides there, and they will tell you you have

(46:29):
complete control over who you want to be and what
you want to learn. We will help advise you, but
we're not going to tell you what you have to
be or have to do. We might say, well, you've
got some karmerace this. You might think about that because
you've got to balance it out sometimes, So what do
you think you know? But it's up to the each
soul to decide, you know, what they want to do.
So all of a sudden you're seeing it's because there's

(46:51):
no time in space. This is so strange, but it's
so beautiful. No time in space, so they can see
their possibilities of future self, of many future cells, and
they can say, well, I want to learn to do this,
and I wanted to learn to do that, so maybe
I should be born poor, you know, because of this.
I'm giveing an example here. There's this one guy. He

(47:12):
wanted to be a writer. He wanted to come down
and expand his soul awareness by by creating books, by
writing by you know, because you know writers, they they
get deep into the gut, you know, deep into the soul.
That's why we love writing a good book or lead
like reading a good book. And it's it's a beautiful
experience to be a writer, you know, to create and

(47:34):
all that. So he picked, he said, you know what
he did the first time was is I'm going to
pick a rich family. I'm going to be in a
rich family because that way, money is no object. I
can do whatever I want to do. He came down
in that life and he spent it on sex and
drugs and you know, anything but writing. Because he had
all that money and he got sub bied. So we

(47:57):
worked on it. So he says, this time he says,
I'm gonna and he created a life actually where when
he was a teenager he was going to be in
an accident and he could see like a wagon running
over his leg would break his leg and he would
be stuck at home. And he says, yeah, if that happens,
I'll be good. Then I'm stuck at home and all
I can do is write. He created that life, and

(48:19):
exactly what happened at a certain time, he fell out
of a wagon, got run over. He ends up being
you know, housebound for the rest of his life. And
he said it was the best life he could imagine
because he did all this writing. I don't know if
he was a famous writer what we wrote books and things,
and he in other words, he accomplished his goal that way.

(48:40):
So you know, why do people choose sometimes to come
down and be crippled. You know, there was a book
I think Betty Edie is her name. She was a
Christian that had a near death experience. I used to
know the name of the title, but I'm forgetting right.
But if it's Betty Edie, if you go Betty Eaty
book Near death Experience, it'll come up. It might be

(49:03):
saved by the light something like that. But anyway, when
she was over there, when she's with Jesus and she passes,
there's a whole line of souls that are waiting to
be incarnated. And she asked Jesus like, well, what are
they in line for? And he says, they're in line
to come down and to be crippled or to be

(49:23):
you know, to have these horrible illnesses or something. And
souls were lined up to have that experience because of
what they could learn from that experience and what they
could teach others, you know. Like I had a brother
that had he's in heaven now. He died when I
was twenty one. He was twenty one. I was twenty three.
My younger brother, he had muscular dystrophy. So I grew

(49:43):
up watching him going from walking riding a bike to
not being able to peddle anymore, to not being able
to walk to being in a wheelchair. And I ended
up being my dad and I My dad did the
most of it. My brother would stay in bed. My
dad would always come home from My dad was a
manager of the department store, so my dad always would
come home at a certain time on his lunch hower

(50:05):
he would get my brother up, get him on the john,
get him dressed, get him food, and then he go
back to work. Sometimes my dad had to be out
of town so that I would come and do that
with my brother, you know, I'd lift him up and
put him on the john and take care of him
and feed him and everything like that. And I'm just
thinking of, you know, the things I learned, you know,

(50:26):
by having to do that for my brother, you know,
having to have a brother that couldn't be out running
around playing basketball and doing all that stuff, and thinking,
you know, I think that was the first thing I
was teaching me compassion, you know, in that way. So
when you see the bigger picture of things, Jacob, it
doesn't make some of these horrible things down here seem

(50:48):
so bad, you know, because you realize that it's temporary.
When I went to the other side with the second time,
twenty eight of a therapist swap session so we could
ask about COVID in the vaccines, because again being researchers,
there's twenty eight of us asked the same questions. We
all have different councils because each person has a different council,
all asked the same five questions and then we came back,

(51:10):
we compiled it all, did a PowerPoint presentation. Pretty much.
They all told us the same thing, which is going
to surprise a lot of people here, because COVID was
such a huge deal. Millions of people died because of
COVID down here. In the bigger picture of things over there,
they said, no, there's it's just COVID. You know, everybody died.
They're back home. You know, they're fine. They're doing great,

(51:33):
you know, because they just left those bodies. They came
back home. Okay, so don't worry about them. They're fine.
And then we said, well, what about the vaccines? You
know is you know, they put in a chip inside
those things so they can control us. And they just
kind of smile, and I said, well, what about should
the vacts? Did you take the vaccine? And they said, oh,

(51:53):
it's a personal choice. You know, if you want to
do it, fine, if you don't, you know, you'll decide
for yourself, you know, because in the bigger picture of things,
it's a nothing burger, you know, It's just it's just life,
you know that way. Okay, So now two other places
we've discovered over there. One is the library. Now the

(52:17):
library is like you've probably heard of a kshk or
a cashiek onside. Ky Shik records a lot of in
the spiritual realm of people talking. This is where all
the memories are stored of everything we've ever done before. Okay, now,
some people have requested to go there, and they always
describe it as like a library, like I'm picturing from

(52:40):
one of my my clients went because I didn't go
there in my when I was over there, I didn't
really care to go there. But they're sitting like at
a at a desk like and they're looking around and
there's like these manuscripts or books, and they look up
and it just goes to kind of infinity up and
like there's no ceiling, you know, but it's this place.
There's always a curing there or a teacher that's in

(53:01):
charge of that. And then we'll ask them to say,
is there something here that my client needs to read
or see about their past? And they'll say yes. So
all of a sudden, here comes this book and it's
kind of laid on a pedestal and then it's like
a book cover. But when they opened it up, so
far that what my clients have been there it's been
the same. They opened it up and they're looking at

(53:24):
just pages of white light, like they're like light. So
they're turning these pages and I'll say, well, what are
you saying? You see? Goes well, I you know, they're
in trance and they're going I don't really know, but
I feel like I'm seeing something like this is my
past and whenever. I mean, I feel like I'm getting
downloaded all this energy. But their human mind can't really
decipher it. You know. Then they're specific, at least on

(53:46):
the couple that I had to do that, But somehow
they feel empowered by by revisiting all that, you know,
kind of looking at their history. You know, it's like
the there used to be a TV show You're too
young to remember? This was called this is your Life?
You remember I show ever called No You're too young, Oh,

(54:06):
this is your Life, And they would have someone there
and they had compiled a whole thing about that person's
life and when you were a child and all the
things that happened, and and revisiting and celebrating a person's life.
It was a TV show back in the sixties. I
think something like that. So, uh, the one other place
and this is a cool thing to do. Sometimes when

(54:26):
we've got all the work done and I think, hey,
just for fun and for you to have a good experience,
do you want to go and see what souls do
for fun in recreation in heaven, you know, and say, okay,
So all of a sudden they're there, and okay, these
are two ones I remember. One of them was there
was and the clients are in trance and they're just
laughing or smiling, and so what's going on? He goes,

(54:47):
Oh my god, it's so cool. And there was these
souls like there are balls of light and they were
playing tag, like trying to not trying to touch each other.
And when they would when they would like go through
each other's energy, gotcha know, kind of like that. One
of my one of my clients goes, oh my god,
this is better than sex. The only thing he could

(55:09):
he could relate it to is that what kind of
thing is He was zipping by different souls and they
were playing tag, you know. Uh. And another one there
were was like a form of like basketball, but they
were they were just an energy form and they were
going back and forth and throwing these balls of energy
and they had to kind of get it into these
balls of energy and the hoop, so you know that's

(55:33):
there's just in heaven. They just there's I would say humor.
Let me mention about one of my clients. Her whole
session was about humor, Jacob. When she walked in in
my client and she smiled at me, I just I
don't know why, but I just wanted to like laugh.

(55:53):
Made she made me feel so happy because she had
such a beautiful smile. She goes and she's talking about
how humor she's used humor to get through that she's
had some difficult times in her life, but she always
tries to infuse it with humor or sarcasm or something
like that that helps her to not take it so seriously.
You know, these horrible things that happened to her, and
she managed to do that. So she sees herself pass

(56:15):
away in another lifetime, which I forget what it was,
but then her guide's there. She says, oh my god,
he's a male and he's got this beautiful robe and
that this beautiful silly smile. And I said, well, ask
him what his name is so we can communicate here,
and the guide says, just call me Bob. And that

(56:36):
got her funny bone and she started laughing, and so
that was the theme of this whole thing. We finally
she gets her question to answer before the council and everything.
We're almost done. And then I happened to think, because
there was so much humor going on during this, I said,
is there such a thing as like a comedy club

(56:56):
in heaven? And he go, yeah, sure. So she finds
herself in this audience and guess who's on stage. It's
like Rodney Dangerfield. You know, he passed you met again,
you're young Jacob. Rodney was that one of the head
like Johnny Carson all the time on the show. He
was an old guy and he would say take my
take my wife, take her, you know, I mean, he

(57:18):
did all these one liners, and he was so always
so funny, always self deprecating humor. I said, who is this?
She says, well, I think it's Rodney Danserfield. He's up
there and he's telling jokes. And then she starts laughing.
She's in trance. She started laughing, and I go, what
are you laughing about? She goes, I don't know, but
everybody's laughing so hard. And so she was laughing so hard, Jacob,
you know that contagious laughter. She's laughing so hard, and

(57:40):
it got to me. So here, here's the therapist. I'm
next to her. She's there. We're both belly laughing so hard,
and uh so, after we calmed down, she says, I
think he had to kind of be there to know,
because it was kind of like Heaven humor or something,
because she didn't get the joke, you know, she'd get
the punchline, but everybody else did that was there. So
then her guide stops us for a minute, and he says,

(58:04):
I want to tell you about why humor is so
important that God has created us to be able to
have humor in our lives. And he proceeded to do
a whole dissertation on God's purpose for humor in our lives.
While he's telling her this, in her mind, she's seeing
a PowerPoint presentation of a pie. In other words, love

(58:24):
being the whole pie and a whole big slice, like
about forty five to fifty percent of that was humor,
you know, of that pie, which means you know, like
and I haven't translated yet. I feel bad that I haven't.
I have to go back and translate it because it
was it was a discourse that he was telling her
and I was hearing him talk through her to me.

(58:46):
You know, about this importance of having humor in our lives.
Some of the things I remember, which were pretty obvious,
is about how healing it can be, How humor can be,
you know, can take a horrible situation and take the
rough edges away, you know, and how we need to
be able to laugh at ourselves for the things that
we do. I mean that, you know, self being able

(59:07):
to laugh at oneself is very healing, is very good.
But that was pretty good. So that session was not
only for my client, but it was for him to
give me a dissertation so that I could sometimes write
it all down so maybe I could put it in
a book or something, you know, and so that people
because you know, when we think of humor, it's so
much fun and everything. We don't take it seriously, but

(59:29):
it's the serious thing to have humor, Jacob, you know,
in their lives.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Now, Now, if we don't mind that jump in here,
how do we contact or talk to our guardian angels
for our guides?

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Oh, that's a great question. That way, when people when
they're on the other side, I always have them ask.
I'll say, ask the council for your personality, what's the
best spiritual practice you can have to help you keep connected?
Because once we come back, because people they're in such
a beautiful, blissful state, and part of them that knows

(01:00:05):
they're going through this is thinking, oh God, in a
little bit, I'm going to be back down in the mud,
you know, you know, and how do I stay connected?
And in the same sense, they'll say to the council,
what religion should I follow, because there's got to be
just one that's the best. And if whatever one that is,

(01:00:25):
I'm going to change mind, or if I'm in the
right one, I'm going to go full speed ahead because
I want to stay close. And when they say about religion,
they'll say, well, if you need a religion, if you
feel you need one, then it's okay. You can probably
learn some good things on there, but it's not required.
They say, the only true religion is love and kindness.
You know, love and kindness, that's the religion you know,

(01:00:47):
wherever you find it. And they say for your particular mission,
you may need to learn all about the Jewish faith,
or for your particular mission for you to get understanding
of something. You know, you may need to be a
Christian or whatever, and that's totally fine as long as
there's love and light there, you know. But they say
that the one gift we're giving to you to keep
you closer to us so that you can hear us

(01:01:09):
talking to you so your intuition increases by by leaps
and bounds, is to meditate. They said that when people
are in meditation, the wall between here and there gets
really thin, and that's when you're you can kind of
almost touch the hem of the other side. Okay, And

(01:01:30):
sometimes during meditation because people have had out about experiences
and meditating in the dream state, you know. They also
said to keep a dream journal because a lot of
times when people are having dreams, they're more they're more
open to listening to what they're being told. Okay, So
if they say, if you keep a dream log by
the bed or something, and if which first thing is

(01:01:52):
you win in the morning, even if you don't remember
the whole dream, put down the gist of it or something,
And they said a lot of times that's how they'll
communicate with us, know, through the dream stake. Sometimes I'll
communicate through visions when you're when you're meditating, like you'll
just have a vision. I've had that happen to me
a number of times where I've had some beautiful spiritual
experiences where I'm wide awake but I'm just meditating. I

(01:02:14):
sing the word Hugh, which is an ancient name for God,
which like Om or Om. You know there's some people
sing Hugh like you. When I sang that for six
weeks when I was in my twenties, because I wanted
to have an outer body experience so bad. The sixth
week that I did this every night religiously for like

(01:02:34):
five minutes. I would just sing it and then I
would kind of put my attention here. On the sixth week,
I was thinking, well, every time I do it, it
feels good. So I like doing this because it makes
me relaxes me and it makes me feel spiritual or good.
But nothing. I was thinking, maybe this isn't going to work,
so I did the hue. All of a sudden, I

(01:02:54):
found myself out of my body and Jacob, I'll tell
you it was the first. It was my first big
spiritual experience when I was like twenty four to twenty five,
I guess. And what it was like was, it's like,
all of a sudden, I'm seeing I'm in this other world.
This other world is it's not like here. The skies

(01:03:14):
were yellow instead of blue. I was seeing these magnificent
like fields of wheat that looked like like the wind
was blowing and they're so beautiful. And and about every acre,
about every acre, there was this giant tree. It was
like like like I say, oak tree, but it was
there were more powerful. They looked like a guard or

(01:03:37):
like spiritual. So they were just scattered throughout here. And
then I realized I'm about two hundred feet up and
I'm wearing Oh goosh, I'm not standing on the ground.
And my vision was three hundred and sixty degrees and
I was, you know, and that's when I I realized,
oh my god, I'm down there sleeping or whatever. I'm
out of my body. And then when I did that,
it was like, oh, I said the effort, I think

(01:04:00):
out of my body and I popped back on my body.
But then I was like that and I went, whoa man.
That was something. My fear of death left then. And
what happened was that's when I started going on a
spiritual search. I started reading all the holy books, I
started taking classes on alternate religions, and because I finally

(01:04:23):
realized that yeah, this body is just a body here,
that this isn't the real me, that the real MEED
can leave this and have full consciousness somewhere else. But
I have to finish up to that story, though, to
show you how real that was. What happens when you
have these spiritual experiences. Even some people that have these,
when I take them through a session, there's a part

(01:04:43):
of their mind because it all happens with images, Jacob.
It all happens with what they're seeing in their mind.
And they'll think about it for a couple of days
and they'll go, I think I just made that stuff up,
you know, I think I just imagination. Did that really happen?
I don't know. Well, as much as that changed my
life back then, after thirty forty years and I think
back to that experience and part of me goes, did

(01:05:05):
that really happen? You know? I mean, I've talked about
it so much and I've written books about it, and
and so I said to God, I said, you know,
I wish I could have some kind of miracle like
something in the physical because I know of people that
were meditating and they'd open their eyes and they'd have
a teacher, a master standing physically in front of them
in their room that they can actually touch or shake

(01:05:28):
a hand to and have something happen. And then that
I mean this, you know, and I thought, Man, if
something like that could happen, I would never doubt again
that this stuff is real. So after I said that,
a few weeks later, I'm performing because I was, you know,
a professional clown for a lot of years, and I
had a traveling show and I did fairs and malls

(01:05:48):
and things, and it was at the California Frog Jumping
Amp and Angels camp. They have this thing where Mark
Twain wrote about it in his books, where they people
bring frogs from all over the world and they see
in three jumps, which frogs get three jumps to see
who can jump the furthest and be they'll have a
frog that's won the frock of the contest. And they're

(01:06:10):
still doing it from what I understand. Anyway, I made friends.
The man who did a show right after my show
was a docent from the Columbia State Park and he
was authentic as could be, as an old miner. And
he would take people down in the gold mine down
in Columbia State Park and he would tell all these stories,
you know, about gold miners and stuff. He had the

(01:06:30):
six shooters on the side. He had a beard down
to here. Super nice guy, but he just looked the part.
You know. We became friends. The fair was over. He said, hey,
why don't you and your wife come up and visit
my wife and I for a weekend? You know? I said, yeah,
we were friends. Now. We went up there. We had
a nice weekend with them up in the mountains. We
didn't talk about anything spiritual or anything like that. I'm

(01:06:51):
getting ready to leave. I'm getting into the car facing
this way. I fill a hand on my shoulder. I
turned around and Carl, that was his name. Carl says,
you're going to think this is weird. I said what
he says, But I think I'm supposed to ask you
about that dream. He called it that dream that you
had some time ago. Instantly I said to him what

(01:07:14):
color was the sky? He said yellow? And I said
what was I looking at? And he said, you were
looking at these magnificent, spiritual, beautiful trees. You know, like
giant trees. I got weak need and started to faint. Okay,
he kicked me up, took me inside. He says, I
can't explain this to you, Reagan. He says, but I
seem to know who's had this spiritual experience. I just

(01:07:36):
something intoition. I seemed to be the keeper of the
meaning of this experience that you had. And he said.
Even recently he was he was giving a talk at
the state park. He was hammering, doing horseshoes and talking
to the audience out there, telling a story. Afterwards, a
man from a foreign country came up to him, to

(01:07:56):
him and said, you're going to think this is weird,
but I think I'm supposed to ask you about this
dream I had. And he would ask them what color
was the sky and the person yellow? Or we're looking
at the magnificent trees, and isn't that bizarre? Oh yeah,
oh my gosh. So anyway, he said he can't explain it.
He says his genealogy goes back to his ancestors were magi,

(01:08:21):
you know. He says a lot of them were in
the order of the Magi, which would have came to
Jesus when he was born. You know, just remagi and
he says, I can't explain it, but I just seem
to know when people have it, and I'm supposed to
ask you about it so that you know that it's real.
From that day forward, I said, Okay, these things are real,
and I know when my clients are experiencing their past lives,

(01:08:43):
when they're before the council and everything over there, it's
all happening. It's all happening what they're seeing. But it's
so emotional and it's so real. And even if it
was something that they just made up, Jacob, they come
back and their life changes and they become or kind,
and they become they kind of quit becoming the victim

(01:09:05):
all the time, you know, they start taking charge of
their lives and they get they get to doing their
whatever light work that they're doing. They get to it,
you know, to get there, try to get their mission done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
So now for those that are listening, uh, how can
they not be afraid of death? WHOA what can ease
their minds about it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Okay, I'll yeah, I've had a number there's a number
of people that want to have this experience, but they
have that fear. You know, they've always said, I just
have such this big fear of death. And what I
tell them was, I says, Okay, you know, we've done
seventy thousand of these. Now, we've never had a neg
We've not had a negative experience, We've not had an
evil entity, we've not had a you know, anything of
a negative nature that that we've had. And I'll say,

(01:09:56):
if you're just brave enough and know that hypnosis is
natural to be right there with you, you know, all
you're going to do is be expanding your awareness to
someplace else. And I said, when you have this experience,
I will guarantee you one thing, you won't be afraid
of dying in the future, you know, because I know
when that happened to me when I was young, you know,
and I had that I don't it was, it was strange,

(01:10:17):
but I just went, I mean, I don't kind of
want to be tortured to death or something. You know
that that would be not good. But the fact that
I know that I'm an immortal soul that I don't die,
you know, it frees you up to be more, to
be more present in this life. Tacob. You know, they'll
they've said over there when so many wisdom, so many

(01:10:38):
things of wisdom they've told us from over there, and
they'll said, what holds people back from really being happy
in their life is fear, you know, fear of the unknown,
fear of the future, fear of that. And they said,
the more that you can just live life moment to moment,
trying to be the best you could be in every moment,
and if you screw up, just get right back up

(01:11:00):
and go forward again. You know, it's okay to be goofy.
And they'll tell you there that we're human beings. We're
perfectly imperfect. You know, we're not perfect, okay. I mean
that the human condition is to be perfectly imperfect. And
once you accept that about yourself and you begin to Oh.
And the other thing was they said, we really need
to work on self love because too many of us

(01:11:21):
now have a self hatred or a self loathing because
we've screwed up. Sometimes, we've hurt people. Sometimes, we've done
some pretty bad things. All of us have done some
bad things sometimes, and they say you have to just
shrug it off, like, yeah, you're just human, And did
you learn from it? Are you still doing those bad things?
Maybe still need to learn, and there's such a relief

(01:11:45):
in that when you just say, look, I'm a screw
up sometimes, but I know that I'm a good person,
and I know that I want to be the best
that I can be, and you just allow yourself just
like a friend. You know, sometimes we have friends and
we see their faults and stuff and we but we
still love them, you know, we still like to be
with them even though they're not perfect. And we should

(01:12:09):
accept ourselves the same way. You know, Hey, you know
this is just spend some time with myself here, even
though I know I'm a screw up sometimes. You know
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Absolutely. Now, how can people purchase your books on Amazon?

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Yeah? If they go to my website, even visit the
afterlife dot com. There's I've read since I talked to
you last time, Jacob. It's all been redone. I mean,
I spent a lot of money on it, but it's
brought it up to date now, so it's it's twenty
twenty twenty four website instead of twenty eighteen site. And
there's a lot of videos on there. On there, you

(01:12:44):
can watch videos on past life regression, which there's a
separate page on that, and there's some videos on past
life regressions. There's some stuff on. You know, Oprah has
had a few people on their Doctor Weiss, who's he's
kind of the guru that kind of started all this
past life regression stuff way back in the nineties. He's
still going strong and done thousands of past life regressions.

(01:13:05):
But there's some other videos on there explain that. Then
there's a page on life between lives, which is what
you know, if people want to have this experience, oh,
we do it over zoom. During COVID, we started doing
these on zoom because we couldn't see anybody, and we
have the same about ninety percent success, right Jacob, Just
like right now, if I was this on zoom, you'd

(01:13:25):
be sitting in a comfortable chair and you'd just be
allowing yourself to relax in that and you would just
have this beautiful experience. So it could be done on zoom.
So now with that opened up us, the two hundred
and fifty of us, we can do sessions all over
the world. So I have one of my Diana Peg
she's another really good Newton therapist. She lives not too

(01:13:47):
far from me. She's on the board. She's actually ahead
of everything here now taken overhead, and she does a
whole bunch of India, you know, Like so she's up
in the middle of the night or whatever doing sessions
and doing lots of that. But I do like to
do them in person if possible, because and I have people.
I just had someone flying because I'm in the San
Francisco area, but I go down to LA and everywhere

(01:14:09):
in between. I've done sessions in Fresno and Bakersfield, down
San Diego, out in the out in the desert by
Palm Springs. What I'll do is when I get two
or three people in the area, then I'll just take
a trip down there. Even though it costs me five
hundred bucks in gas, I still will do it because
it's this part of what I'm supposed to be doing, Jacob,
is to be helping these people. But I have someone

(01:14:31):
just flying from Louisiana, someone from Connecticut, someone came over
from South Africa, you know, to have a session, and
it's just something it gets them inside. Like another good book. Okay,
my book three Hours thirty three minutes in Heaven. You
can click on my side. It'll take it to Amazon,
or just go to Amazon. Three hours thirty three Minutes

(01:14:51):
in Heaven. I also have another book right now that
i'd be happy to give away to your listeners, Jacob.
It's my newest book. It's called Reincarnation Is Real, and
it's a interactive book only done an ebook, where you'll
read a paragraph and then you'll click on a link
and it'll take you to a video it'll explain more
about then you come back to the book. It's real

(01:15:12):
easy read and I've been given it away lately. So
if they just say, hey, I was on Jacob's I
heard you on Jacob's show. And if they give you
their email, send it to them for free, okay, so
they have to do it. And if they want to
have a session, go to the Life Between Life thing
that can there's frequently asked questions on there, and then

(01:15:33):
they can always call me or text me or whatever.
The costs and everything are there And I never turned
anybody down, Jacob. If they if the cost is, if
they're living paycheck to paycheck on everything, all spread payments
out over, I don't know whatever they need you know
that way?

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah? Now, now, from what you told me last time
or before we did this episode, people that tend into
the first parents they actually contact you about doing a session.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Oh, yeah, I did a couple of people. You must
be very popular, Jacob, because people I say, God, I
listened to you on conversations with Jacob and both of
them were Zoom sessions that I did long distance, and
both of them were women. Oh this is interesting, Jacob.
About seventy percent of sessions are women, about thirty percent.

(01:16:26):
I think us men, we have a little bit harder
time kind of letting go, you know, being just being vulnerable.
Sometimes women do it naturally, you know, that way. But men,
you know, I've done dozens and dozens of men and
they've had good experiences. But women have their spiritual thing
going on, you know, we're it. It takes us a

(01:16:47):
little bit more. Sometimes we're a little more and it'll
stuck sometimes. But you know, so anybody wants to have
a session, and I'll be happy to talk to And
I guess that's about it. I can't believe I'm talking
for like over an hour now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Oh Josha, Oh, it's out trying not to keep you
along with this one. But is it kind of different
by doing sessions of virtual and in person? Is still
like a difference between those two.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Well, to me, it's such a it's such a life
altering moment that it's just kind of nice to have
that human interconnection. But since we're getting so used to like, like,
I feel like I'm in the same with you room
with you now, Jacob, because you're very approachable, very friendly,
and so that rapport can be there like that, and

(01:17:41):
so we're all. You know before, you know, before the
last four or five years, people were uncomfortable about zoom whatever.
But now it's so normal when you watch the news
every night, you know, instead of them having people there
in person, they're just they have them on the screen.
You know, they're talking, they'mbe all over in zoom. So
it's become part of an accepted thing of our consciousness now.

(01:18:02):
So it's pretty close to just being there in person. Okay,
now I do. There's also on my website now. I
have a regular therapy practice. I specialize on PTSD fears
and phobias, anxiety disorders, and I've helped dozens and dozens
of dozens of people that have severe, severe postumatic stress

(01:18:25):
get some sense of normalcy back in their life. And
that's by doing traditional energy psychology. Again, Jacob I'd love
to do sometimes just a little show to educate your
people on this new talking therapy is following by the
wayside now. And what's happening is because with talking therapy

(01:18:46):
sometimes you have to go to your therapist for years
and years and years to get over ptsdars, and because
you gradually desensitize yourself little by little by little. With
energy psychology, which is using three modalities. Ones E F T,
which is tapping, it's like psychological acupuncture works. Oh my god,
it just it's mirror. It's it's almost like one person said,

(01:19:11):
are you Jesus? And I said no, it's this tapping.
You know, it works miracles. Another thing is haven in touch.
It's this this, this is the new kid on the block.
And the other thing is E M d R, which
is eye movement desensitization. And people are talking about their issues.
They're just following my finger back and forth. You're going
right brain, left brain, right brain, left brain. And what

(01:19:31):
it does is it pokes holes in your CD that
you're trying to play of that awful incident, so that
when you try to replay it, you'll remember the incident,
but you won't have all that energy that's involved in it.
So those three modalities. I've had people severe PTSD and
in three four sessions there they have a semblance of normalcy. Again,
we're talking therapy would forever, you know. That way, it's beautiful.

(01:19:55):
So online there's videos on there. If they go to
traditional hypnotherapy on my website, watch the videos. There's one
on there. We'll see four veterans and Jacob there like
this talking about their instance and watch the magic that
happens in four days of having f E F T
and when they when they and you'll see a completely

(01:20:17):
different person, you know, and then they test six months
later and they stayed that way. So anyway, that would
make a good just to let people know that they
don't have to be stuck with these, you know, with
fears and phobias anymore, because those can be gone. I
wrote a book called Phobia's Gone in One Hour, and
it teaches people how to take their phobias away themselves
by doing this tapping go step by step and how

(01:20:39):
to do it. Because some people aren't near therapists. They're
out in the moon dog somewhere, but they can't afford it,
and they can learn to do this self administer to
it and their phobia will just go away. I mean,
you know, it's uh, it's great. So anyway, that would
make a good good topic sometimes. And also, and I'll
tell you there's people, there's several people I've referred to

(01:21:00):
Coast to Coast because I've been on Coast to Coast
the national radio thing, and I had two other people
I referred and they did really well on there. And
one of them, I think, because you have a large
enough audience now too, he's I'll give you just a
quick quick overview for your listener too, because it's spiritual.
He went to sleep one night he woke up in

(01:21:21):
a dream. His wife was there. She was asleep too.
They both woke up in the same dream, saw each
other in the dream, and who was there was a guardian.
They called them guardians of the Gemstones, and they told
him it was time for the world to learn that
these gemstones that we all cherish and buy and we
have to have to know what God's purpose is for those,

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you know, because we just think they're just pretty and shiny,
and we know they're expensive, but did you know behind us?
So what they did is he proceeded. He was taken
out of his body for a number of sessions, for
probably twenty thirty sessions where he would find himself on
the other side and the guardian, let's say, of Sapphire,
the person who knows all about Sapphires, this particular guide

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would give him this whole discourse which he could he
would remember. And he wrote a book called Guardians of
the Gemstones, and he created a company called Gemisphere, and
they sell all of these therapeutic some of the most
beautiful necklaces you'll ever see, because they get only the finest.
They were told how to produce them, how to make
them so that the energy from them can do what

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God supposed. And a lot of them are to do
with healing, you know, with healing people, with helping them
get through tat like if you have to double task
and you know, I think hematite or something like that
was one of those ones, and you have that it'll
help you with different things. So anyway, people his website,
and he's giving the Way a book right now on

(01:22:48):
his website too, which is a really book. And he
had four hundred people after that episode that downloaded that
book for free because they wanted to know more about that,
so that's you know, people are interested like Okay, why
why do I have this thing with amethyst? Or or
what about emeralds? And you hear what the what their
healing things are and what they're for. It's very uh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Just anyway, if you want to have moneys to guests
sometime I'll see if I can get them in touch with.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
You or sometimes oh yes, sure, yes, sure for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
And that's a different topic. You know, it puts you,
you know, people say, wow, Bacon's got these very interesting
topics there, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
The other one is this woman who's had these spiritual
experiences that are absolutely miracles time after time in her life.
Just you got to hear the whole story because it's beautiful.
She did this on coast to coast and people were like,
oh my god, she's uh gets caught on the riptide
getting carried out to the sea, and she thinks she's

(01:23:49):
going to die. She calls out to God and well,
actually she's going out there, and then she sees a
shark fin coming towards her and she knows she's a
gone er. That shark's going to take a bite out
of her first or whatever. She hears a voice on
her head that says live flat, and she just followed it.
But she says, God, I'm gonna be a French fried
to the shark, you know. And then all of a sudden,
all of a sudden, she feels a punch in her

(01:24:10):
back and she's lifted up, and then she falls off,
and then then she's lifted up again. And there was
a school of dolphins that came underneath her, and they
carried her on their backs to shore away. And this
was witnessed by people on the shore. They couldn't believe
what they were seeing. And in Casey's on your show,
the dolphins didn't leave, and there's a whole bunch of
things they did around her and to her. It's a

(01:24:34):
beautiful story. But what it's about is how these miracles
happen when you when you call out to God, you know.
And and she's had a number of other things too
that are similar to that, you know, dragged into a
wolves then you know, with wolves and survived and oh
my gosh, it's just crazy. So anyway, you know, I'll

(01:24:55):
get to the information if if you want, your listeners,
would would I'm sure I like to hear those kind
of stories. They're uplifting, you know, they're about you know,
God is real, you know. So I'm closing, Just know
that you're never alone. You're an immortal soul and you
have a mission down here to do. And if you
don't know exactly what your mission is, just wake up
in the day. There's a prayer that I heard in

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my head when I was coming back down to Earth
from heaven, and it was blessed this day and those
that I serve as I keep one foot in heaven
and one foot planet firmly on Earth to accomplish my mission.
So you connect to you know, you're just they just say,
just wake up in the morning, even if you don't know,
you just have to take my word for it that

(01:25:38):
there's a guide or an angel that looking over you
and kind of look up and say, hey, you know,
what can I do good today? And if I screw up,
help me get back on the wagon t CA and
move forward, you know kind of thing. So maybe that'll
help you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
All right, Oh, I rekon, I would I greatly appreciate
you coming back on the podcast. I'm going to have
to do it again some other time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Yes, yeah, if you want to do that, and oh
and another one we could do someday too. I don't
know if you know this, but I'm a handwriting analyst
and I've done this on some shows before. It's where
at the beginning of the show, as we're talking about
I'll have people write a sentence, and the first eight
that send it to my send it to my email.

(01:26:21):
While we're talking. I can pick them up and I
can tell people, you know, about twenty things about their personality,
about who they are, just from looking at their handwriting.
And this is not that people think it's pseudoscience, but
it's mostly accepted as science nowadays. They even have college
courses on it. Law enforcement uses it all the time.
Companies use it. They'll take a handwriting sample before they

(01:26:42):
hire you. And it's just fascinating that you're subconscious when
you write in cursive on paper. We'll put your personality
on the page. It's very fascinating. Oh yeah, sounds like it,
all right, your ear?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Oh absolutely all right. That wraps up this week of
Conversations with Jacob until then, tune in next week for
another episode. So we'll see you guys next Monday. Right
here on Conversations with Jacob