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Speaker 2 (01:16):
Going on everybody? And welcome back to another episode of
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don't want to backtrack, hot I am for this, but uh,
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I was speaking of Jake Thorn, who does our intro.
Check out the interview and that me and him did
on our YouTube channel and we interviewed each other, which
is something I'm It's something I'm you know, it's just,
you know, it's a thing that I'm not used to
being interviewed by someone because I'm the one that's usually
doing the interviewing. Anyways, and joining me this week, it's Jim.
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It's Jim Harold and he's the host of his own
podcast on which we'll get into that I'm hearing this
in this podcast and so with no fault, with no
further ado, Jim, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Hey Jacob, thanks for having me on the show. And
I gotta say, you know you've already, uh you've already
got a fan with me because you started off with
an intro from the Duke, and I've been a guest
on a lot of podcasts and I've never been on
one where the Duke does the intro. That's awesome. And
then Andy Griffith, I mean, I love the Andy Griffith Stow.
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I've got the DVD set. I'm just so it seems
like we're in mind meld here so far, Jacob, And seriously,
thank you for inviting me on the show and giving
me an opportunity to talk about spooky stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And now for the people that's listening
who don't know nothing about you, can you give us
a little background.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Sure. I've been podcasting on the Paranormal since two thousand
and five, full time since twenty twelve. I have two
main shows. Probably my most popular one and probably the
one we'll talk more about today, is Jim Harold's Campfire,
and that's simply where people call in with their spooky stories.
Could be ghosts, could be UFOs, could be cryptic creatures.
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Every day, people calling in with true paranormal experiences. And
that's on all the podcasts outlet, Spotify, Apple, podcast, YouTube,
wherever you get your podcasts, and then also the Paranormal Podcast,
where I interviewed some of the top thought leaders and
authors on the paranormal whether again it's ghosts, UFOs, cryptids,
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we kind of kind of do it all. So those
are probably the shows I'm best known for, and also
have a series of books out based on the Campfire Show.
So always up for talking about spooky things.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Now and what kind of drew you into the spooky
guest category?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, you know, it goes way back. I have to
stress I was very young, Jacob, but I was a
little kid, and I used to watch a show called
In Search of with Leonard Nimoy and it scared the
crap out of me every week. But he would talk
about ghosts, UFOs, bigfoot, all that stuff, and it kind
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of set me out on a life long interest. And
I had gone to school for broadcasting, ended up working
in radio, but I ended up working in advertising behind
the scenes. I was not in front of the mic,
I was not in front of the camera, and it
was kind of depressing. And I heard about this thing
in two thousand and five called podcasting, and you could
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do it from home, and I'm like, you know what,
I'm never going to make a living doing this. Spoiler,
I have the last dozen years, but I didn't. I
had no idea, and I said, you know what, I
love spooky stuff. I love broadcasting. This is a chance
to kind of put it together. So that's how I
started the Paranormal podcast. And it was so long ago
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and so early that I was able to get that name,
the Paranormal Podcast. And as far as I know, Jacob, now,
if somebody can point to someone else, I'm always willing
to be corrected. As far as I know, that is
the longest running paranormal podcast on the internet.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh wow. Kind of sticking with ghosts, have you ever
had a paranormal encounter?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You know, I've had some things that I think have
a paranormal element to them, but they're not like the
full body apparition. I've had some signs, I think from
loved ones who have passed. I had a couple of
near misses where I feel like I kind of had
a guardian angel. But I've never seen like your typical
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ghost sighting. That's something that's not happened to me.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Now. And what is your opinions on the oluigi boards,
Because I've had people in here before they have their
own opinions about it. And what is your opinion.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Well, you'll notice back behind me there's a little Ouija
plant chet. You know, I do for a set piece
up there. But I'll tell you we have a wage
of board in the house that belonged to my wife
when she was a teenager, and and we never use it.
We didn't, so we're not so extreme that we we
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throw it in the garbage or burn it or anything
like that, but we're also leery of it to use it.
Here's the way I would put it, Jacob Okay, I
have a chainsaw right and I will use it once
in a blue moon, but I'm very reluctant to use
it because I don't know what I'm doing. Whereas you know,
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you've got these guys who can make these beautiful sculptures
with a piece of wood or ice with chainsawce it's remarkable,
But I'm just more likely anything to like cut my
arm off. I kind of think of the weedge aboard
potentially as a spiritual chainsaw. I mean, I've had interview
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subjects like Robert Merch and Karen Dollman, great experts on
the Wiedia board, say hey, Jim, it's just a tool.
It's nothing. There's nothing nefarious about it, I would add,
I guess it can be a tool to talk to
the other side possibly, but you got to know what
you're doing, and I don't know what I'm doing, so
for me, I'm not comfortable with using it, so that
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kind of puts me, I guess, in the middle. I
don't think it's necessarily evil, but I think you got
to be careful.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Absolutely. Oh would you mind, Oh oh, would you mind
sharing some ghost stories on that you've heard on your podcast?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Well, I'll actually we have this new book out, the
True Go Stories, Volume six from Jim Harold's Campfire. There's
actually six volumes. You can read them in any order
and I'll get a little plug in. It's available on Amazon,
Barnesandoble dot com, Jimharreld dot com. But I'll read you
one from our latest book and it's kind of what
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I like about this story is at the end you're
going to ask yourself was it a ghost or was
it something else? And it's called the Mysterious Missus Raspberry.
Do you mind if I read from the book?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, go ahead, Okay. This was from Jennifer from Idapho Idaho.
Idapho that's a new state that I invented, Idaho. It
was the early nineteen eighties and we lived in a
smallish town in Idaho, and the summertime, you get up
in the morning, say goodbye to your mom, and be
gone till dinner time. One day, my friend Connie and
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I decided to walk down the decommissioned railroad tracks about
a block from my house. They ran all the way
down the lake about four miles away. We packed a
lunch and started walking all the way down the tracks.
We were about eight or nine years old and ready
for some adventure. It was densely forested. Once we got
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a mile from our house, we were walking and there
was a big clearing. A couple of houses were there,
and there was a big raspberry thicket. Buying one of them.
A lady was hanging her laundry up on the line.
We stopped to talk to her. She was lovely and sweet,
and she asked us if we'd like some raspberries. So
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we took our shirts and made little baskets, you know
how you hold them out and put things in your
shirt to hold. We put the berries in our shirts
and kept on toward the lake. We made it and
stayed most of the day, and finally we decided to
head back home and start walking back in the same direction.
We completely retraced our steps from earlier in the day.
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Now it's important to interject here that this railroad track
was straight. There was no way they could have gone
off another path. One way in, one way out. We
walked all the way to my house and never passed
the house with the raspberry lady. Again, there was no house,
there was no clearing, there was nothing. Just railroad tracks.
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They only go one way. It's not like we took
a wrong turn, and we knew we met this kind
lady with the berries. It was not our imagination because
we had raspberry stains all over our shirts to prove it.
The woman was a substantial older lady, and this is
Jennifer's words. Gals of a certain age often wore a
snap of house dress back in the day. She was
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wearing one of those. It might be odd to us now,
but it was common back then. There wasn't anything strange
about our interaction. She was friendly, the way people are
to little kids. I had an opportunity about a year
ago to talk to my friend who was with me
that day Connie, and she remembers the event exactly as
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I do, and we're still both scratching our heads. Not
too long after this happened, I talked to my grandma,
who believed in all things strange and weird, and she
said there had been houses in that area, but it
was before the railroad tracks were built. That would have
put it around the nineteen twenties or so. And I've
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walked those railroad tracks then, thinking well maybe, but nothing
like that has ever happened again. And that's Jennifer from Idaho.
So I ask you, Jacob, what did she see? Did
she see a ghost? Did she have a time slip?
Was it another dimension? Was a parallel universe? And that's
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a lot of what we deal with on Campfire. You know,
most people think ghost story, ghost story, ghost story, and
we certainly have some of those, but a lot of
times it's kind of what I call head scratchers. What
really is.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It to me? No council like a glitch in the matrix, cousin,
they kind of recounted their kind of kind of went
in like the circle almost.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing to me. And that's the category.
That's one of the categories you know, when I first
started this, I thought, oh, it's going to be all
ghost stories, and we do have some, of course, well
we have what I call these head scratchers that don't
make much sense. Or we have a lot of doppelganger stories,
you know, people seeing doubles of themselves or somebody else
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something posing is a loved one many times. One of
my favorite in that category, if you don't mind, I'll
share it came from a healthcare worker and she's actually here.
I'm in the Cleveland area. She's in Ohio, and I
believe she was a respiratory therapist and she called into
our campfire show and one day she was at work
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doing what she always does, you know, working with patients,
giving them tests that they need. In this one particular
patient needed to be transported to a different part of
the hospital for his test. So she and a transport worker,
those guys and gals who pushed the best around. That's
a hard job. We're taking this patient down to a
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lower floor to take a test. So they get on
this huge kind of freight type elevator, you know, big
enough to accommodate the hospital bed. So there's three of them.
There's her there's a transport worker and there's a patient
in the bed, and our caller looks up. Across the
way there's another elevator, like a passenger elevator, and she
sees a group of people in there, and the one
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woman looks really familiar. And then she realizes, and this
woman staring right back at her, that she's looking at herself.
And they look at each other until the door's closed.
So all day, you know, she's still got a job
to do. She still has to give these people tests
and take them their treatments and all these different things,
and she continues to do her job, but all day
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she's like, what in the world was that all about.
So anyway, she very you know, at the end of
the day, you know, healthcare people, they work so hard
and very tired. So at the end of the day,
she's standing at the elevator with a group of people
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getting ready to go home. She still thinking about this
weird thing that happened earlier. She steps on the elevator
with this group of people. She looks up and she
sees the big freight elevator on the other side of
the hospital, and there's a patient in the bed. There's
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a transport worker, and there is herself from earlier in
the day. She saw herself in the other direction and
continued to look until the doors closed. Story.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Now, do you think everybody's got a double ganger?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I don't know. You know, I never thought much about it.
I mean, I have been familiar with the concept before
I started the show, but I never thought much about it.
But yeah, I guess maybe maybe. And the thing is
is that are these things time glitches? What are they?
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I don't really know, but I'll tell you one thing.
It's a lot more. I think I bought a lot
more than I did before I started Campfire in two
thousand and nine, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Now have you now, have you heard any stories on
your podcast that kind of kept you a week?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I was just talking with someone about this, one of
the most terrifying things that I could think about. There's
something called black Eyed Kids. Are you familiar with the
black Eyed kids? Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
If you're not familiar with the black Eyed kids. And
the interesting thing is I've actually gotten to speak to
the gentleman who had kind of the original story on this,
and it was from the nineteen nineties. Basically, his story
was is this is back before online bill pay and
all of that stuff. You know, you wrote a check
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and you put it in the mail or like if
a place had an office or something, you could drop
it in a mail slot or something. And it was
late in the evening. He was paying a bill and
I think he was writing out a check and he
was going to put it in this mail slot. And
it was right by this theater, and I don't know,
it was probably like nine thirty at night or something,
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and it's dark and rainy, and these kids knock on
his car door, Hey, mister, can you give us a
ride home so we could get money to go to
the movie, And you know, they keep being very persistent,
and then he says, no, no, I can't do that.
I can't do that. And he thought it was weird
because the movie was over half over. Why would they?
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And there wasn't a later showing why would And then
eventually they look at him directly, and they look pale,
and they have these all black eyeballs. And that's a
very common theme. And the guy who told it was
a journalist for many years, was a reporter for a
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local publication. No benefit to him telling this story, and
I believe him, And that's what people report with the
black eyed kids. They will knock on your door and
they'll want to come in, and they'll try to find
some excuse to come in, and then they'll look at
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you and these all black eyeballs, and the lore goes
that if you do let them in, something bad will
befall you. You'll get sick. Some people say you'll die, you know,
And to me, it's terrifying, because you know, I'm a parent.
I love kids, kids, they're the greatest. But it's terrifying
to think there's kids with totally black eyeballs going around
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trying to steal your soul, which obviously means they're posing
maybe as something else if they do exist. But again,
people of goodwill have told these stories. I don't necessarily
think they're making it up and what they represent. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Do you think it's more like a like a creepy
pasta's story, or do you think tear's things actually out
there like that?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Well? I think that sometimes it's creepy pasta and sometimes
people are basically making up fictional stories. But I think
sometimes there might be a kernel truth to it. I mean,
I think that's a lot of types of stories. Is
that you might hear you know, there's one real story
and people will make up twenty fake ones based on
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that idea. But that doesn't mean the real one didn't exist.
I mean, whether there were aliens shape shifting the gin
which is a terrifying concept where the idea of genies
come from the Middle Eastern concept of the gin, which
are terrifying, but that there's the evil beings that will
shape shift and present them as something themselves as something
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they're not. You know, that seems to be something that
goes throughout history and Lord, I mean, for example, on
my Campfire show, I believe, Jacob, the vast majority of
people we do a show every week, ninety minutes every week,
the vast majority of people sharing their stories or telling
the truth. That's what I believe.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Now, before we now, before we move on to the
next topic, don'ant to share my own goost story because
I've had a few goosts on encounters. Yeah about I
don't know how long this was before two thousand and
four ais I live done this two story of house,
and I didn't know at the time that the house
was haunted by some kind of uh uh I, which
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I guess spirit and we were here. We were here, hu.
So footsteps, you know, you know, coming up and down
the steps. But that's not the worst of it. Oh,
the worst of it came, Oh, my mom's going to
take me and my brother outside, and she hought her
downstairs to tell my step dad that was going outside.
He said, okay, I'll be up in a minute. I
would walk outside and he was walking down the road.
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So we think a spirit or a demon or whatever
kind of mimicked his voice. So maybe, uh, you know,
it's still kind of hard to explain.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah, that whole mimicry thing with voice, and that is
a really that's the doppelganger thing. Another story we had
that we talked about on the show not long ago.
I mean, it was from several years ago, but I
read occasionally I'll replay things. We replayed it. There was
this woman who I believe her husband was in the
military and I can't remember where this may be Pennsylvania.
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I can't remember where they were stationed, but they were
in some housing and one morning she wakes up and
her husband is kind of, you know, hugging her, almost
like spooning her. And it's like, that's unusual. Well, usually
he's out for his jog by now. And then she
realized it was not her husband, but it was like
this sinister looking almost looked like her husband and even
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spoke like her husband. And she started to pray, like
the lord's prayer or something, and the fake husband, the
dappleganger husband, said stop saying that, and eventually this thing
went away. But can you imagine like being hugged by
your spouse, but your spouse is an evil demon doppleganger.
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I mean, I guess that's someone that really would keep
me up. Man.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh yeah, Now another ghost story that I have. It's
my step dad was laying in bed one night. He
looked up and he saw a little boy. Oh, he
saw a little boy in the doorway. He thought it
was one of us, but we all was asleep to
find out that there was a kid that died. And uh,
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unfortunately for me, his bedroom was my bedroom.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yikes, did you so did you have experiences in that
room involving the little boy?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, well, uh, after the landlord told us what happened,
picculch and they were kind of related to the little boys,
I kind of stayed up all night because I was
terrified I will wake up and see a little boy
right there.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
In my room.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But I did have some paranormal experiences myself here and
where I live now, which I had this little recorder
and I placed it on the The recorder was like
a cell phone, but it was also a record at
the same time, and I placed it on the basement window.
I was I tapped two times, and I was into
back then. I was into the paranormal, you know, kind
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of like real big and so I placed it on
the window. Still I knocked, I demonstrated, I said, I said,
as I said, if there's anybody here, I want you
to knock two times. I played it back and unbeknownst
to me, and there was two extra knocks.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, So I don't know if it was a paranormal
or or if it was my mind playing tricks on me.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, I'll tell you. It's one of those things where
I believe it's real. I mean, does that mean every
single story is true? No, But all it takes is one,
and I think there's a lot more than one. The
thing about me is I always was a believer in
all of this. But the thing was I was always,
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you know, not one hundred percent sure, but I believe.
And now I'm pretty much one hundred percent sure it's
all real. Now what has changed is I used to think,
you know, ghosts are dead people, UFOs are aliens, bigfoots
and animal And now I'm more willing to kind of,
you know, look at other possibilities for any of those things.
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And I think I've opened up my mind to alternate
paranormal explanations. For example, UFOs, I always thought, yeah, you know,
certain amount or military, which I still totally believe, certain
amount of people are just mistaken. They're mistaking you know,
different planets or planes. I think that happens. Unfortunately you
got the hoaxers. But aside from that, I think there
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is a category of UFO experiences who are seeing something
that is not of this world, or maybe it is
of this world that maybe a different part of this world.
For example, some Harvard researchers just started talking again about
the idea of crypto terrestrials. Maybe they come from under
the ocean floor, maybe they're here on another dimension. So
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maybe when we talk about aliens last year in the
congressional stuff, they were talking about non human intelligences. Maybe
they're not from out there, maybe they're right here alongside
of us. There may be Jacob right next to me,
one of these non human intelligences that is invisible to me.
And I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind not so,
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I mean to me. The more I know, the less
I know, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Now, speaking of fe UFOs, was that a guy on
the podcast back in August by the name of Chuck
Hole and he faked in it. He faked an Adian
evation in at of Bama like in the seventies. Have
people ready thought it was something going on? They called
the newspapers and radio stations and uh, it just turned
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out to be a whole big thinking out of Bama
back in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, so, I mean, I once a hand it sounds funny,
but I'm not a big fan of hoaxing. I you know,
the thing is is, I think what's said about it
is that people who hopes give real experience theres a
bad name and then the debunkers go, aha, see it's
a fake. It's all fake because they take one case
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and they generalize it. So, you know, maybe that was
a different time, a different era. But I'm in general
not a big fan of hoaxing.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh, how does your opinion on Bigfoot? Do you think
he exists?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
You know, to be honest with you, and I have
a Bigfoot this inside that. Yeah, but you'll notice the
colors there. I don't know if you're a football fan,
but those are the Cleveland Browns color.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So it's like a little bit of a joke, you know,
believe in Bigfoot, believe the Browns are actually going to
do well. But anyway, you know, I'm kind of on
the fence about Bigfoot. One day I'll wake up, I'm like, oh,
come on, why haven't they found any DNA, Why haven't
they found hair? Why haven't they found this, that and
the other thing. Then the next day I'll wake up
and it's like, well, who am I to doubt all
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these hunters and forestry workers and the Patterson Gimlin film
once they enhanced it and slowed it down. Boy, that
does not look like a person in a suit. So
I'm kind of on the fence with Bigfoot. I mean,
I think it's possible. I'm not going to say I'm
one hundred percent convinced, but my mind is still open.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
On the subject, and what is your thought on the
Patterson Filmily, because I've had two people on the podcast
who has said, well, well one person, but one person
said that it was fake and others says that it wasn't.
And what is your opinion.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Well, as I kind of said, I used to wonder
about it too, But if you look at the stabilized
versions that are out there, they're very compelling. If you
look at the creature when it's stabilized, there looks like
there's muscle tone. And the thing is is that Hollywood
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really didn't have that capability in nineteen sixty seven when
that film was made. A lot of people call it video,
but it's actually a film. But Hollywood couldn't do that
in nineteen sixty seven. If you saw a Planet of
the Apes, which was around that era sixty eight, they
didn't have that era to that ability to kind of
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mimic muscle tone at that point with the best that
Hollywood had to offer in a big budget movie. So
that stabilized version of the film has really got me
more on the side of the fact that the film
is real.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I think, And why do you think all the pictures
and videos that's been produced of of a bigfoot, and
it's always been kind of blurry or not so focused.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Well, honestly, that's where skeptic gym comes in. See that's
like I've got the Angel and the devil on my shoulder, right,
That's where I would say, yeah, that's a good point.
I can't argue with it too much. Although I will
say if they live in relatively small populations and people
are nervous, and a lot of times it's dark, and
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as great as our smartphone video is, it's not that
good at picking up things in the dark. Not that
good picking up things in the sky. That's why I
don't think we see a great great you know UFO videos.
So maybe those are some reasons.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, absolutely, Now can you talk to us about the
mysteries of life?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
The mysteries of life? Well, I would say, first of all,
one of the two big mysteries of life to me,
or the idea of a higher power and to me,
I was just walking the other day thinking about it.
It was a beautiful day. I was looking at the
trees and you know, everything that nature has to offer.
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And we live in a nice area where we have
some nice walking trails and things I'm just like, if
anybody thinks this is by accident, I think they're crazy.
I don't get it. I believe, I always have believed
in a higher power, and I hate to say this.
To me, it's not a question of faith. It's a
question of common sense. You know. If I pick up
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my iPhone and I say, oh, that's just an accident
that just happened somehow, well the world is much more
complex than that iPhone. It didn't just happen by accident.
(32:26):
Now you can debate on which religion is right, if
any of the religions are right, and those kind of things.
But to me, a higher power who set this whole
thing off is a given. The other thing. In terms
of mysteries of life, I am convinced there is an afterlife.
I believe we do go on. I believe that's the thing.
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Some people would say that's wishful thinking. That's fine. I
am one of those. I am a live and let
live guy. If you want to be a hardcore atheist
and say there's no God and there's no afterlife, God
bless you, no pun intended. But to me there is. Now.
I will say this though, I think that our existence
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is way weirder than we understand. We had a guest
on the show. I've been on the shows quite a
few times, unfortunately just recently passed away. His name is
Jim Willis. He was a former pastor, and he had
a quote on his Facebook page. And I know this
is a famous quote. I don't think it was his quote.
I think somebody else said it, and I'll probably botch it,
(33:33):
but I think it was so insightful and it went
something like this, Not only is the universe more strange
than we understand, it is more strange than we can understand.
Whatever is beyond going on behind the scenes here. It
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is so complex, it is so much multithe layered. We
are just I think we're like somebody looking through a
little keyhole. But it goes back to Plato's allegory of
the cave. There's so much we don't understand, and I
don't know that we ever will. But I think even
getting to that point where you realize you don't have
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it figured out and there's so much more than we
ever will understand, I think that in and of itself
is a victory. Now, some people will say, well, Jim,
you don't respect science. I said are you kidding? I
love science. I think science is great, Jacob. We are
doing something right now this minute that we take for
granted that thirty years ago you had to be a
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national network with millions of dollars worth of equipment, and
you'd have to buy tons of very expected expensive satellite
time to do exactly what we're doing right now. If
you're old enough to remember that show Nightline, right yeah,
and we're doing it here in the browser of our
(35:03):
computer in our home studios. That is amazing. And you
know who, you've got to think for that science or
any number of medical discoveries that probably saved my life.
I've not been particularly unhealthy in my early years when
I was a baby, I was a premium those kind
of things. But I think most of us walking around
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now who have any age on us at all, have been.
You know, even if it's something like antibiotics may have
saved our life. Maybe if we wouldn't have been able
to take that antibiotic when we were twelve years old,
maybe we would have had an infection and died. So
we may have been saved by science more times than
we even know. So again, God bless science. I am
all for science, But science of the twenty first century
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does not have all the answers, just like science of
the nineteenth and the twentieth century didn't have all the answers,
and just like the science of the twenty second century
will not have all the answers. So science is great.
Science is crucial to our development in mankind, but it
does not, nor will it ever have all the answers.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Now, speaking to Jim Widows, he was on the podcast
back in September of last year, and he was supposed
to be on a game back in August, but he
unfortunately passed away. Well he was great, he was oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I really And it was really ironic, Jacob, because I
had interviewed him, and I may get the timeline wrong here,
so I apologize, But I had interviewed him in May,
I'd gone on a vacation, and then I posted it,
I believe in June, and within a few days of
posting the show, which ironically was about near death experiences,
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he passed away. And that was just really kind of
eerie the way that all worked out. But I had
no idea when I spoke with him would be the
last opportunity and the one one said. Thing about doing
this so long is, you know, I started in two
thousand and five, and there are quite a few guests
and authors who have I interviewed who are no longer
(37:10):
with us. Brad Steiger, who had written more books than
anybody about this stuff, the great Rosemary Ellen Guiley past
I had the opportunity to interview and talk with the
privately with Ian Punnett, who used to be one of
the guest hosts of Coast to Coast AM. He just
passed this last year. And one of the sad things
(37:32):
of doing this is every year I lose guests and
it's kind of a reminder, like Jim, eventually it's gonna
be your turn. But no, seriously, bless all those people
and really some great, great uh and some great folks
(37:55):
we've lost who study these things. And I hope, you know,
this sounds kind of cliche, but I hope many of
them spent their lives trying to figure this stuff out,
and I hope on the other side they finally got
those answers.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah. And the one thing about doing a podcast, how
would you get attached to us, to some of the
people that you have on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Rosemary Ellen Guiley when her husband and
her were in the area, we had lunch together just
they became almost like friends, Like, oh, Brad's got a
new book out. I got to get a hold of him,
and he was always so kind Brad Steiger and would
(38:39):
be so complimentary about being on the shows. And the
thing is is that it's just it is sad, It
really does. And Jim was just a sweetheart of a
guy and had so much wisdom and so many interesting
things to say. Now that doesn't mean maybe I agreed
with him about everything he thought, and I could say
pretty much with all my guests, but such a kind
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soul and so willing to share his insight and the
wisdom he had gleaned over the years, and his theory
about what was going on. And I want to make
sure we don't get people confused, because there's another great
paranormal researcher out there by the name of James Willis.
James A. Willis, I believe from Ohio. Different guy, and
(39:21):
he's very much alive, so I want to make sure.
And sometimes he calls himself Weird Willis, which I thought
it was hilarious. But I want to make sure when
I say that that we're talking about two different people there.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Now, do you think there's life out there in the
universe somewhere that we don't know about?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Oh? I think, I mean, I think even scientists now
say yeah, probably so probably yes.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Now, do you think there's probably a life on other
well probably touched into the last question. But do you
think there's life on other planets?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Yeah, I would say so, I think so. But what
I said before about maybe their beings here, it doesn't
have to be mutually exclusive, right, they could be out
there and here.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Now, now let's talk about your podcast here.
How can people find your podcast? It's uh uh, it's
it all most podcasts and sites.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
As far as I know, it's on all of the majors.
If you're talking about Jim Harold's Campfire, which is show
I recommend people start out with because people love those
personal stories, or the Paranormal podcast where I interview people
like Jim Willis, and those are all on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, iHeartRadio, Amazon,
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the pretty much any podcaster you want either one of those,
and the easy way to find it is just look
up my name Jim Harrold.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
All right, and uh. For people that want to tune
into the podcast, we talk all about ghosts and a
UFOs and bigfoots.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Oh, we talk about all of it on both shows.
If you like the broad rank, because why I talk
of paranormal, I talk about all of it. So you
listen Campfire show, you might hear a cryptid story, UFO story,
a ghost story, a premonition, demon story, a heartwarming message
from a loved one. You're gonna hear it all very similar.
On the Paranormal podcast. We cover UFOs, we cover cryptids,
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we cover ghosts, all of it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Now, did you think when you started doing the podcast
and that it will how do it go this long?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
No? No way, no way. I never thought this. I
never thought it would become my job. I mean, this
is maybe I'm not very good employee. This is the
longest job I've had in my career, twelve years full time.
It's the longest I kept going from job to job
(42:02):
to job. You know, I'd stay two years here, three
years there, two years here, three years there, And I think,
honestly it was because this is what I was meant
to do, but it didn't exist yet. But and this
is one last thing I'll say, not to bore you,
but something that's interested me any more than I already have.
(42:23):
But one thing, one thing that's really interested me over
the years is this idea of retro causality. And are
you familiar with retro causality?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I don't think, sue.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Okay, okay, be prepared to have your mind blown. The
idea is that things you do today can impact your past. Now,
don't don't ask me how that works. But the idea
of the idea of the time is not necessarily linear
(42:55):
from you know, past to present. So I'll give you
an example of how I think this may have worked
for me. And when people say fate steps in, maybe
this is what's happening. So I worked in radio and
advertising for many quite a few years, but I was
always paying attention to what the other people in the
station were doing. This. I tried to do a good
(43:16):
job selling ads, but I also wanted to know how
the traffic manager, the person who put together the logs
and put the commercials in place, how they did their job.
I wanted to know how the business manager did her job.
I wanted to know how the production manager did his job.
I even wanted to know what the engineers were up to.
For some reason, I wanted to know every aspect of
(43:36):
that business. So anyway, fast forward to today. I don't
have a big radio tower in my backyard, but I
don't need one, and I basically have the equivalent of
a small radio station, and I have to know how
(43:56):
to traffic the ads. I need to know how to
do the engineering. I need to know how to do
the job of a production manager. I basically need to
know all the job functions of a radio station to
make this go. I do have some people to help
me on a part time basis, but largely it is me.
So my point being, how did I know back then
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that I was going to need all those skills in
twenty twenty four retro causality, the fact I'm doing this
now kind of harkened back and said, Jim, Jim, pay
attention to that engineer right now. Watch what he's doing,
you know, And maybe that's the same way like you
meet your spouse. Maybe that's the same thing happens. And why,
(44:41):
you know, instead of making a left turn and getting
in that horrible accident, you make a right turn. I
don't know, but it's something that fascinates me. I've been
thinking about a lot lately.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, speaking of podcasts, Oh, it's my podcast will hit
two years in January.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
We congratulations. Let's excellent. Believe me, you are ahead of
the curve because most people do a couple episodes and
say this isn't as easy as it looks.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh yeah, yeah we so.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
I know.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
When I started this podcast in twenty twenty three, I
was like, you know, O, which'll do ten twenty episodes
colored quits. And now I'm almost at one hundred episodes.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Congratulations, that's excellent.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Oh yeah, and uh and and also this podcast, I've
talked over almost one hundred guests and about had one
hundred different topics.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yes, How it keeps, how it keeps building, and I
just keep coming back every time I get an interview.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Well, I think that's the way to do it, Jacob.
You just put one foot in front of the other.
And sometimes I'm tired and it's like, huh, it's like,
just do this stuff. Just do this stuff. If you're tired,
you work through it. If you're a little bit down,
you work through it. You get back up again. I think, Uh,
any success in podcasting or anything else in life for
(46:02):
that matter. The power of persistence.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Absolutely. Oh, I know there's some people that has a
big setup. Of course I don't get the big setup.
You know, I did use a computer and a headset.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
And I didn't when I started. I start with a
computer and a headset. And your headset is far superior
than the one I started with. I think mine was
a twenty five dollars Plant Tronics headset. My Verse. And
you know what, those those episodes are still up and
you know what, they're actually kind of listenable. I mean,
(46:35):
way way behind what you're doing now. It sounds great.
But my point is is that you start off and
then you build and so forth. I mean, I didn't
start with all this stuff. So and there's people have
way fancier setups than me.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh yeah, before we end the podcast, And where can
people find you own a social media.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Well, you can find my virtual care group on Facebook.
Just search for Jim Harold's Virtual Campfire. We have twenty
six thousand members over there. That was free and that's
where people share their spooky stories. It's like a companion
to the podcast. You can find me on Instagram and
(47:16):
so forth. At the Jim Harold and of course, as
I said before, find the podcasts at at Jim Harold
dot com and wherever you get your podcast, and the
book number six if I can get it out of
the shadows there True Go Stories Volume six from Jim
Harold's Campfire you can get on Amazon dot com, Barnesannoble
(47:38):
dot com and hope everybody checks it out.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So can people find all the books, like all the
series on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yes, they're all on Amazon. Correct, that's the best place
to get them all?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, all right, And when this goes up, oh, when
this episode goes up, to have all the links in
the description as well, So pep click on it and
go and listen or buy a book and I'll have
that in the description before we end. Do you get
a close and thought for the people listening to the podcast?
Speaker 4 (48:11):
You know, I've done some live events and I've said this,
and I think it's important and it's maybe not what
people expect, and I think the Campfire podcast has taught
me this. If you have stories, if they're paranormal stories,
or they're just family stories or interesting things that have
happened in your life, share them, whether it's coming on
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my podcast or somebody else's podcast, or whether it's just
sharing it with family and friends. Maybe it's getting a
recorder and recording it. Share those stories. That's how we
live on. Share your stories, paranormal or otherwise. It means
so so much. I know all the family stories that
have kind of accumulated up here over the years. They
(48:54):
mean so much to me. It's kind of like my
relatives who have passed are still around because I can
pull up those stories. So whether they're spooky otherwise, do
share those stories. It's so important.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Absolutely, Oh jim oh, don't thank you for coming on
the podcast.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Jacob, thank you. I've never been on a show introduced
by the Duke, so I considered an honor in the
first time. And keep up your good work. Congratulations on
two years and approaching your one hundredth episode.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Oh thank you, appreciate it. All right, that wraps up
this week. Tune in next week for another episode. Until
then on God Bless and we'll catch you guys next week.
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
Going on everybody? And welcome back to another episode of
Conversations with Jacob's episode number ninety four. I believe And
so when we're one step Clutterer to We're one step
clutter two one hundred episodes. I we got a good
episode lined up for you this week because we're talking
ghost UFOs or whatever else comes to my during today's episode.
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don't want to backtrack, hot I am for this, but uh,
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I was speaking of Jake Thorn, who does our intro.
Check out the interview and that me and him did
on our YouTube channel and we interviewed each other, which
is something I'm It's something I'm you know, it's just,
you know, it's a thing that I'm not used to
being interviewed by someone because I'm the one that's usually
doing the interviewing. Anyways, and joining me this week, it's Jim.
(03:37):
It's Jim Harold and he's the host of his own
podcast on which we'll get into that I'm hearing this
in this podcast and so with no fault, with no
further ado, Jim, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Hey Jacob, thanks for having me on the show. And
I gotta say, you know you've already, uh you've already
got a fan with me because you started off with
an intro from the Duke, and I've been a guest
on a lot of podcasts and I've never been on
one where the Duke does the intro. That's awesome. And
then Andy Griffith, I mean, I love the Andy Griffith Stow.
(04:12):
I've got the DVD set. I'm just so it seems
like we're in mind meld here so far, Jacob, And seriously,
thank you for inviting me on the show and giving
me an opportunity to talk about spooky stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And now for the people that's listening
who don't know nothing about you, can you give us
a little background.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Sure. I've been podcasting on the Paranormal since two thousand
and five, full time since twenty twelve. I have two
main shows. Probably my most popular one and probably the
one we'll talk more about today, is Jim Harold's Campfire,
and that's simply where people call in with their spooky stories.
Could be ghosts, could be UFOs, could be cryptic creatures.
(04:54):
Every day, people calling in with true paranormal experiences. And
that's on all the podcasts outlet, Spotify, Apple, podcast, YouTube,
wherever you get your podcasts, and then also the Paranormal Podcast,
where I interviewed some of the top thought leaders and
authors on the paranormal whether again it's ghosts, UFOs, cryptids,
(05:16):
we kind of kind of do it all. So those
are probably the shows I'm best known for, and also
have a series of books out based on the Campfire Show.
So always up for talking about spooky things.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Now and what kind of drew you into the spooky
guest category?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, you know, it goes way back. I have to
stress I was very young, Jacob, but I was a
little kid, and I used to watch a show called
In Search of with Leonard Nimoy and it scared the
crap out of me every week. But he would talk
about ghosts, UFOs, bigfoot, all that stuff, and it kind
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of set me out on a life long interest. And
I had gone to school for broadcasting, ended up working
in radio, but I ended up working in advertising behind
the scenes. I was not in front of the mic,
I was not in front of the camera, and it
was kind of depressing. And I heard about this thing
in two thousand and five called podcasting, and you could
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do it from home, and I'm like, you know what,
I'm never going to make a living doing this. Spoiler,
I have the last dozen years, but I didn't. I
had no idea, and I said, you know what, I
love spooky stuff. I love broadcasting. This is a chance
to kind of put it together. So that's how I
started the Paranormal podcast. And it was so long ago
(06:44):
and so early that I was able to get that name,
the Paranormal Podcast. And as far as I know, Jacob, now,
if somebody can point to someone else, I'm always willing
to be corrected. As far as I know, that is
the longest running paranormal podcast on the internet.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh wow. Kind of sticking with ghosts, have you ever
had a paranormal encounter?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You know, I've had some things that I think have
a paranormal element to them, but they're not like the
full body apparition. I've had some signs, I think from
loved ones who have passed. I had a couple of
near misses where I feel like I kind of had
a guardian angel. But I've never seen like your typical
(07:34):
ghost sighting. That's something that's not happened to me.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Now. And what is your opinions on the oluigi boards,
Because I've had people in here before they have their
own opinions about it. And what is your opinion.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Well, you'll notice back behind me there's a little Ouija
plant chet. You know, I do for a set piece
up there. But I'll tell you we have a wage
of board in the house that belonged to my wife
when she was a teenager, and and we never use it.
We didn't, so we're not so extreme that we we
(08:11):
throw it in the garbage or burn it or anything
like that, but we're also leery of it to use it.
Here's the way I would put it, Jacob Okay, I
have a chainsaw right and I will use it once
in a blue moon, but I'm very reluctant to use
it because I don't know what I'm doing. Whereas you know,
(08:34):
you've got these guys who can make these beautiful sculptures
with a piece of wood or ice with chainsawce it's remarkable,
But I'm just more likely anything to like cut my
arm off. I kind of think of the weedge aboard
potentially as a spiritual chainsaw. I mean, I've had interview
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subjects like Robert Merch and Karen Dollman, great experts on
the Wiedia board, say hey, Jim, it's just a tool.
It's nothing. There's nothing nefarious about it, I would add,
I guess it can be a tool to talk to
the other side possibly, but you got to know what
you're doing, and I don't know what I'm doing, so
for me, I'm not comfortable with using it, so that
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kind of puts me, I guess, in the middle. I
don't think it's necessarily evil, but I think you got
to be careful.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Absolutely. Oh would you mind, Oh oh, would you mind
sharing some ghost stories on that you've heard on your podcast?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Well, I'll actually we have this new book out, the
True Go Stories, Volume six from Jim Harold's Campfire. There's
actually six volumes. You can read them in any order
and I'll get a little plug in. It's available on Amazon,
Barnesandoble dot com, Jimharreld dot com. But I'll read you
one from our latest book and it's kind of what
(10:01):
I like about this story is at the end you're
going to ask yourself was it a ghost or was
it something else? And it's called the Mysterious Missus Raspberry.
Do you mind if I read from the book?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, go ahead, Okay. This was from Jennifer from Idapho Idaho.
Idapho that's a new state that I invented, Idaho. It
was the early nineteen eighties and we lived in a
smallish town in Idaho, and the summertime, you get up
in the morning, say goodbye to your mom, and be
gone till dinner time. One day, my friend Connie and
(10:36):
I decided to walk down the decommissioned railroad tracks about
a block from my house. They ran all the way
down the lake about four miles away. We packed a
lunch and started walking all the way down the tracks.
We were about eight or nine years old and ready
for some adventure. It was densely forested. Once we got
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a mile from our house, we were walking and there
was a big clearing. A couple of houses were there,
and there was a big raspberry thicket. Buying one of them.
A lady was hanging her laundry up on the line.
We stopped to talk to her. She was lovely and sweet,
and she asked us if we'd like some raspberries. So
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we took our shirts and made little baskets, you know
how you hold them out and put things in your
shirt to hold. We put the berries in our shirts
and kept on toward the lake. We made it and
stayed most of the day, and finally we decided to
head back home and start walking back in the same direction.
We completely retraced our steps from earlier in the day.
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Now it's important to interject here that this railroad track
was straight. There was no way they could have gone
off another path. One way in, one way out. We
walked all the way to my house and never passed
the house with the raspberry lady. Again, there was no house,
there was no clearing, there was nothing. Just railroad tracks.
(12:01):
They only go one way. It's not like we took
a wrong turn, and we knew we met this kind
lady with the berries. It was not our imagination because
we had raspberry stains all over our shirts to prove it.
The woman was a substantial older lady, and this is
Jennifer's words. Gals of a certain age often wore a
snap of house dress back in the day. She was
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wearing one of those. It might be odd to us now,
but it was common back then. There wasn't anything strange
about our interaction. She was friendly, the way people are
to little kids. I had an opportunity about a year
ago to talk to my friend who was with me
that day Connie, and she remembers the event exactly as
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I do, and we're still both scratching our heads. Not
too long after this happened, I talked to my grandma,
who believed in all things strange and weird, and she
said there had been houses in that area, but it
was before the railroad tracks were built. That would have
put it around the nineteen twenties or so. And I've
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walked those railroad tracks then, thinking well maybe, but nothing
like that has ever happened again. And that's Jennifer from Idaho.
So I ask you, Jacob, what did she see? Did
she see a ghost? Did she have a time slip?
Was it another dimension? Was a parallel universe? And that's
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a lot of what we deal with on Campfire. You know,
most people think ghost story, ghost story, ghost story, and
we certainly have some of those, but a lot of
times it's kind of what I call head scratchers. What
really is.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It to me? No council like a glitch in the matrix, cousin,
they kind of recounted their kind of kind of went
in like the circle almost.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing to me. And that's the category.
That's one of the categories you know, when I first
started this, I thought, oh, it's going to be all
ghost stories, and we do have some, of course, well
we have what I call these head scratchers that don't
make much sense. Or we have a lot of doppelganger stories,
you know, people seeing doubles of themselves or somebody else
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something posing is a loved one many times. One of
my favorite in that category, if you don't mind, I'll
share it came from a healthcare worker and she's actually here.
I'm in the Cleveland area. She's in Ohio, and I
believe she was a respiratory therapist and she called into
our campfire show and one day she was at work
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doing what she always does, you know, working with patients,
giving them tests that they need. In this one particular
patient needed to be transported to a different part of
the hospital for his test. So she and a transport worker,
those guys and gals who pushed the best around. That's
a hard job. We're taking this patient down to a
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lower floor to take a test. So they get on
this huge kind of freight type elevator, you know, big
enough to accommodate the hospital bed. So there's three of them.
There's her there's a transport worker and there's a patient
in the bed, and our caller looks up. Across the
way there's another elevator, like a passenger elevator, and she
sees a group of people in there, and the one
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woman looks really familiar. And then she realizes, and this
woman staring right back at her, that she's looking at herself.
And they look at each other until the door's closed.
So all day, you know, she's still got a job
to do. She still has to give these people tests
and take them their treatments and all these different things,
and she continues to do her job, but all day
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she's like, what in the world was that all about.
So anyway, she very you know, at the end of
the day, you know, healthcare people, they work so hard
and very tired. So at the end of the day,
she's standing at the elevator with a group of people
(16:10):
getting ready to go home. She still thinking about this
weird thing that happened earlier. She steps on the elevator
with this group of people. She looks up and she
sees the big freight elevator on the other side of
the hospital, and there's a patient in the bed. There's
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a transport worker, and there is herself from earlier in
the day. She saw herself in the other direction and
continued to look until the doors closed. Story.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Now, do you think everybody's got a double ganger?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I don't know. You know, I never thought much about it.
I mean, I have been familiar with the concept before
I started the show, but I never thought much about it.
But yeah, I guess maybe maybe. And the thing is
is that are these things time glitches? What are they?
(17:12):
I don't really know, but I'll tell you one thing.
It's a lot more. I think I bought a lot
more than I did before I started Campfire in two
thousand and nine, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Now have you now, have you heard any stories on
your podcast that kind of kept you a week?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I was just talking with someone about this, one of
the most terrifying things that I could think about. There's
something called black Eyed Kids. Are you familiar with the
black Eyed kids? Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
If you're not familiar with the black Eyed kids. And
the interesting thing is I've actually gotten to speak to
the gentleman who had kind of the original story on this,
and it was from the nineteen nineties. Basically, his story
was is this is back before online bill pay and
all of that stuff. You know, you wrote a check
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and you put it in the mail or like if
a place had an office or something, you could drop
it in a mail slot or something. And it was
late in the evening. He was paying a bill and
I think he was writing out a check and he
was going to put it in this mail slot. And
it was right by this theater, and I don't know,
it was probably like nine thirty at night or something,
(18:27):
and it's dark and rainy, and these kids knock on
his car door, Hey, mister, can you give us a
ride home so we could get money to go to
the movie, And you know, they keep being very persistent,
and then he says, no, no, I can't do that.
I can't do that. And he thought it was weird
because the movie was over half over. Why would they?
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And there wasn't a later showing why would And then
eventually they look at him directly, and they look pale,
and they have these all black eyeballs. And that's a
very common theme. And the guy who told it was
a journalist for many years, was a reporter for a
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local publication. No benefit to him telling this story, and
I believe him, And that's what people report with the
black eyed kids. They will knock on your door and
they'll want to come in, and they'll try to find
some excuse to come in, and then they'll look at
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you and these all black eyeballs, and the lore goes
that if you do let them in, something bad will
befall you. You'll get sick. Some people say you'll die, you know,
And to me, it's terrifying, because you know, I'm a parent.
I love kids, kids, they're the greatest. But it's terrifying
to think there's kids with totally black eyeballs going around
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trying to steal your soul, which obviously means they're posing
maybe as something else if they do exist. But again,
people of goodwill have told these stories. I don't necessarily
think they're making it up and what they represent. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Do you think it's more like a like a creepy
pasta's story, or do you think tear's things actually out
there like that?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Well? I think that sometimes it's creepy pasta and sometimes
people are basically making up fictional stories. But I think
sometimes there might be a kernel truth to it. I mean,
I think that's a lot of types of stories. Is
that you might hear you know, there's one real story
and people will make up twenty fake ones based on
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that idea. But that doesn't mean the real one didn't exist.
I mean, whether there were aliens shape shifting the gin
which is a terrifying concept where the idea of genies
come from the Middle Eastern concept of the gin, which
are terrifying, but that there's the evil beings that will
shape shift and present them as something themselves as something
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they're not. You know, that seems to be something that
goes throughout history and Lord, I mean, for example, on
my Campfire show, I believe, Jacob, the vast majority of
people we do a show every week, ninety minutes every week,
the vast majority of people sharing their stories or telling
the truth. That's what I believe.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Now, before we now, before we move on to the
next topic, don'ant to share my own goost story because
I've had a few goosts on encounters. Yeah about I
don't know how long this was before two thousand and
four ais I live done this two story of house,
and I didn't know at the time that the house
was haunted by some kind of uh uh I, which
(21:49):
I guess spirit and we were here. We were here, hu.
So footsteps, you know, you know, coming up and down
the steps. But that's not the worst of it. Oh,
the worst of it came, Oh, my mom's going to
take me and my brother outside, and she hought her
downstairs to tell my step dad that was going outside.
He said, okay, I'll be up in a minute. I
would walk outside and he was walking down the road.
(22:13):
So we think a spirit or a demon or whatever
kind of mimicked his voice. So maybe, uh, you know,
it's still kind of hard to explain.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah, that whole mimicry thing with voice, and that is
a really that's the doppelganger thing. Another story we had
that we talked about on the show not long ago.
I mean, it was from several years ago, but I
read occasionally I'll replay things. We replayed it. There was
this woman who I believe her husband was in the
military and I can't remember where this may be Pennsylvania.
(22:47):
I can't remember where they were stationed, but they were
in some housing and one morning she wakes up and
her husband is kind of, you know, hugging her, almost
like spooning her. And it's like, that's unusual. Well, usually
he's out for his jog by now. And then she
realized it was not her husband, but it was like
this sinister looking almost looked like her husband and even
(23:12):
spoke like her husband. And she started to pray, like
the lord's prayer or something, and the fake husband, the
dappleganger husband, said stop saying that, and eventually this thing
went away. But can you imagine like being hugged by
your spouse, but your spouse is an evil demon doppleganger.
(23:34):
I mean, I guess that's someone that really would keep
me up. Man.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh yeah, Now another ghost story that I have. It's
my step dad was laying in bed one night. He
looked up and he saw a little boy. Oh, he
saw a little boy in the doorway. He thought it
was one of us, but we all was asleep to
find out that there was a kid that died. And uh,
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unfortunately for me, his bedroom was my bedroom.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yikes, did you so did you have experiences in that
room involving the little boy?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, well, uh, after the landlord told us what happened,
picculch and they were kind of related to the little boys,
I kind of stayed up all night because I was
terrified I will wake up and see a little boy
right there.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
In my room.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But I did have some paranormal experiences myself here and
where I live now, which I had this little recorder
and I placed it on the The recorder was like
a cell phone, but it was also a record at
the same time, and I placed it on the basement window.
I was I tapped two times, and I was into
back then. I was into the paranormal, you know, kind
(24:47):
of like real big and so I placed it on
the window. Still I knocked, I demonstrated, I said, I said,
as I said, if there's anybody here, I want you
to knock two times. I played it back and unbeknownst
to me, and there was two extra knocks.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, So I don't know if it was a paranormal
or or if it was my mind playing tricks on me.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, I'll tell you. It's one of those things where
I believe it's real. I mean, does that mean every
single story is true? No, But all it takes is one,
and I think there's a lot more than one. The
thing about me is I always was a believer in
all of this. But the thing was I was always,
(25:33):
you know, not one hundred percent sure, but I believe.
And now I'm pretty much one hundred percent sure it's
all real. Now what has changed is I used to think,
you know, ghosts are dead people, UFOs are aliens, bigfoots
and animal And now I'm more willing to kind of,
you know, look at other possibilities for any of those things.
(25:55):
And I think I've opened up my mind to alternate
paranormal explanations. For example, UFOs, I always thought, yeah, you know,
certain amount or military, which I still totally believe, certain
amount of people are just mistaken. They're mistaking you know,
different planets or planes. I think that happens. Unfortunately you
got the hoaxers. But aside from that, I think there
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is a category of UFO experiences who are seeing something
that is not of this world, or maybe it is
of this world that maybe a different part of this world.
For example, some Harvard researchers just started talking again about
the idea of crypto terrestrials. Maybe they come from under
the ocean floor, maybe they're here on another dimension. So
(26:40):
maybe when we talk about aliens last year in the
congressional stuff, they were talking about non human intelligences. Maybe
they're not from out there, maybe they're right here alongside
of us. There may be Jacob right next to me,
one of these non human intelligences that is invisible to me.
And I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind not so,
(27:02):
I mean to me. The more I know, the less
I know, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Now, speaking of fe UFOs, was that a guy on
the podcast back in August by the name of Chuck
Hole and he faked in it. He faked an Adian
evation in at of Bama like in the seventies. Have
people ready thought it was something going on? They called
the newspapers and radio stations and uh, it just turned
(27:31):
out to be a whole big thinking out of Bama
back in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, so, I mean, I once a hand it sounds funny,
but I'm not a big fan of hoaxing. I you know,
the thing is is, I think what's said about it
is that people who hopes give real experience theres a
bad name and then the debunkers go, aha, see it's
a fake. It's all fake because they take one case
(27:57):
and they generalize it. So, you know, maybe that was
a different time, a different era. But I'm in general
not a big fan of hoaxing.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh, how does your opinion on Bigfoot? Do you think
he exists?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
You know, to be honest with you, and I have
a Bigfoot this inside that. Yeah, but you'll notice the
colors there. I don't know if you're a football fan,
but those are the Cleveland Browns color.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So it's like a little bit of a joke, you know,
believe in Bigfoot, believe the Browns are actually going to
do well. But anyway, you know, I'm kind of on
the fence about Bigfoot. One day I'll wake up, I'm like, oh,
come on, why haven't they found any DNA, Why haven't
they found hair? Why haven't they found this, that and
the other thing. Then the next day I'll wake up
and it's like, well, who am I to doubt all
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these hunters and forestry workers and the Patterson Gimlin film
once they enhanced it and slowed it down. Boy, that
does not look like a person in a suit. So
I'm kind of on the fence with Bigfoot. I mean,
I think it's possible. I'm not going to say I'm
one hundred percent convinced, but my mind is still open.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
On the subject, and what is your thought on the
Patterson Filmily, because I've had two people on the podcast
who has said, well, well one person, but one person
said that it was fake and others says that it wasn't.
And what is your opinion.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Well, as I kind of said, I used to wonder
about it too, But if you look at the stabilized
versions that are out there, they're very compelling. If you
look at the creature when it's stabilized, there looks like
there's muscle tone. And the thing is is that Hollywood
(29:45):
really didn't have that capability in nineteen sixty seven when
that film was made. A lot of people call it video,
but it's actually a film. But Hollywood couldn't do that
in nineteen sixty seven. If you saw a Planet of
the Apes, which was around that era sixty eight, they
didn't have that era to that ability to kind of
(30:06):
mimic muscle tone at that point with the best that
Hollywood had to offer in a big budget movie. So
that stabilized version of the film has really got me
more on the side of the fact that the film
is real.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I think, And why do you think all the pictures
and videos that's been produced of of a bigfoot, and
it's always been kind of blurry or not so focused.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Well, honestly, that's where skeptic gym comes in. See that's
like I've got the Angel and the devil on my shoulder, right,
That's where I would say, yeah, that's a good point.
I can't argue with it too much. Although I will
say if they live in relatively small populations and people
are nervous, and a lot of times it's dark, and
(30:54):
as great as our smartphone video is, it's not that
good at picking up things in the dark. Not that
good picking up things in the sky. That's why I
don't think we see a great great you know UFO videos.
So maybe those are some reasons.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, absolutely, Now can you talk to us about the
mysteries of life?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
The mysteries of life? Well, I would say, first of all,
one of the two big mysteries of life to me,
or the idea of a higher power and to me,
I was just walking the other day thinking about it.
It was a beautiful day. I was looking at the
trees and you know, everything that nature has to offer.
(31:40):
And we live in a nice area where we have
some nice walking trails and things I'm just like, if
anybody thinks this is by accident, I think they're crazy.
I don't get it. I believe, I always have believed
in a higher power, and I hate to say this.
To me, it's not a question of faith. It's a
question of common sense. You know. If I pick up
(32:05):
my iPhone and I say, oh, that's just an accident
that just happened somehow, well the world is much more
complex than that iPhone. It didn't just happen by accident.
(32:26):
Now you can debate on which religion is right, if
any of the religions are right, and those kind of things.
But to me, a higher power who set this whole
thing off is a given. The other thing. In terms
of mysteries of life, I am convinced there is an afterlife.
I believe we do go on. I believe that's the thing.
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Some people would say that's wishful thinking. That's fine. I
am one of those. I am a live and let
live guy. If you want to be a hardcore atheist
and say there's no God and there's no afterlife, God
bless you, no pun intended. But to me there is. Now.
I will say this though, I think that our existence
(33:11):
is way weirder than we understand. We had a guest
on the show. I've been on the shows quite a
few times, unfortunately just recently passed away. His name is
Jim Willis. He was a former pastor, and he had
a quote on his Facebook page. And I know this
is a famous quote. I don't think it was his quote.
I think somebody else said it, and I'll probably botch it,
(33:33):
but I think it was so insightful and it went
something like this, Not only is the universe more strange
than we understand, it is more strange than we can understand.
Whatever is beyond going on behind the scenes here. It
(33:57):
is so complex, it is so much multithe layered. We
are just I think we're like somebody looking through a
little keyhole. But it goes back to Plato's allegory of
the cave. There's so much we don't understand, and I
don't know that we ever will. But I think even
getting to that point where you realize you don't have
(34:18):
it figured out and there's so much more than we
ever will understand, I think that in and of itself
is a victory. Now, some people will say, well, Jim,
you don't respect science. I said are you kidding? I
love science. I think science is great, Jacob. We are
doing something right now this minute that we take for
granted that thirty years ago you had to be a
(34:41):
national network with millions of dollars worth of equipment, and
you'd have to buy tons of very expected expensive satellite
time to do exactly what we're doing right now. If
you're old enough to remember that show Nightline, right yeah,
and we're doing it here in the browser of our
(35:03):
computer in our home studios. That is amazing. And you
know who, you've got to think for that science or
any number of medical discoveries that probably saved my life.
I've not been particularly unhealthy in my early years when
I was a baby, I was a premium those kind
of things. But I think most of us walking around
(35:24):
now who have any age on us at all, have been.
You know, even if it's something like antibiotics may have
saved our life. Maybe if we wouldn't have been able
to take that antibiotic when we were twelve years old,
maybe we would have had an infection and died. So
we may have been saved by science more times than
we even know. So again, God bless science. I am
all for science, But science of the twenty first century
(35:50):
does not have all the answers, just like science of
the nineteenth and the twentieth century didn't have all the answers,
and just like the science of the twenty second century
will not have all the answers. So science is great.
Science is crucial to our development in mankind, but it
does not, nor will it ever have all the answers.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Now, speaking to Jim Widows, he was on the podcast
back in September of last year, and he was supposed
to be on a game back in August, but he
unfortunately passed away. Well he was great, he was oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I really And it was really ironic, Jacob, because I
had interviewed him, and I may get the timeline wrong here,
so I apologize, But I had interviewed him in May,
I'd gone on a vacation, and then I posted it,
I believe in June, and within a few days of
posting the show, which ironically was about near death experiences,
(36:49):
he passed away. And that was just really kind of
eerie the way that all worked out. But I had
no idea when I spoke with him would be the
last opportunity and the one one said. Thing about doing
this so long is, you know, I started in two
thousand and five, and there are quite a few guests
and authors who have I interviewed who are no longer
(37:10):
with us. Brad Steiger, who had written more books than
anybody about this stuff, the great Rosemary Ellen Guiley past
I had the opportunity to interview and talk with the
privately with Ian Punnett, who used to be one of
the guest hosts of Coast to Coast AM. He just
passed this last year. And one of the sad things
(37:32):
of doing this is every year I lose guests and
it's kind of a reminder, like Jim, eventually it's gonna
be your turn. But no, seriously, bless all those people
and really some great, great uh and some great folks
(37:55):
we've lost who study these things. And I hope, you know,
this sounds kind of cliche, but I hope many of
them spent their lives trying to figure this stuff out,
and I hope on the other side they finally got
those answers.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah. And the one thing about doing a podcast, how
would you get attached to us, to some of the
people that you have on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Rosemary Ellen Guiley when her husband and
her were in the area, we had lunch together just
they became almost like friends, Like, oh, Brad's got a
new book out. I got to get a hold of him,
and he was always so kind Brad Steiger and would
(38:39):
be so complimentary about being on the shows. And the
thing is is that it's just it is sad, It
really does. And Jim was just a sweetheart of a
guy and had so much wisdom and so many interesting
things to say. Now that doesn't mean maybe I agreed
with him about everything he thought, and I could say
pretty much with all my guests, but such a kind
(39:01):
soul and so willing to share his insight and the
wisdom he had gleaned over the years, and his theory
about what was going on. And I want to make
sure we don't get people confused, because there's another great
paranormal researcher out there by the name of James Willis.
James A. Willis, I believe from Ohio. Different guy, and
(39:21):
he's very much alive, so I want to make sure.
And sometimes he calls himself Weird Willis, which I thought
it was hilarious. But I want to make sure when
I say that that we're talking about two different people there.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Now, do you think there's life out there in the
universe somewhere that we don't know about?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Oh? I think, I mean, I think even scientists now
say yeah, probably so probably yes.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Now, do you think there's probably a life on other
well probably touched into the last question. But do you
think there's life on other planets?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Yeah, I would say so, I think so. But what
I said before about maybe their beings here, it doesn't
have to be mutually exclusive, right, they could be out
there and here.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Now, now let's talk about your podcast here.
How can people find your podcast? It's uh uh, it's
it all most podcasts and sites.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
As far as I know, it's on all of the majors.
If you're talking about Jim Harold's Campfire, which is show
I recommend people start out with because people love those
personal stories, or the Paranormal podcast where I interview people
like Jim Willis, and those are all on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, iHeartRadio, Amazon,
(40:49):
the pretty much any podcaster you want either one of those,
and the easy way to find it is just look
up my name Jim Harrold.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
All right, and uh. For people that want to tune
into the podcast, we talk all about ghosts and a
UFOs and bigfoots.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Oh, we talk about all of it on both shows.
If you like the broad rank, because why I talk
of paranormal, I talk about all of it. So you
listen Campfire show, you might hear a cryptid story, UFO story,
a ghost story, a premonition, demon story, a heartwarming message
from a loved one. You're gonna hear it all very similar.
On the Paranormal podcast. We cover UFOs, we cover cryptids,
(41:31):
we cover ghosts, all of it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Now, did you think when you started doing the podcast
and that it will how do it go this long?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
No? No way, no way. I never thought this. I
never thought it would become my job. I mean, this
is maybe I'm not very good employee. This is the
longest job I've had in my career, twelve years full time.
It's the longest I kept going from job to job
(42:02):
to job. You know, I'd stay two years here, three
years there, two years here, three years there, And I think,
honestly it was because this is what I was meant
to do, but it didn't exist yet. But and this
is one last thing I'll say, not to bore you,
but something that's interested me any more than I already have.
(42:23):
But one thing, one thing that's really interested me over
the years is this idea of retro causality. And are
you familiar with retro causality?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I don't think, sue.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Okay, okay, be prepared to have your mind blown. The
idea is that things you do today can impact your past. Now,
don't don't ask me how that works. But the idea
of the idea of the time is not necessarily linear
(42:55):
from you know, past to present. So I'll give you
an example of how I think this may have worked
for me. And when people say fate steps in, maybe
this is what's happening. So I worked in radio and
advertising for many quite a few years, but I was
always paying attention to what the other people in the
station were doing. This. I tried to do a good
(43:16):
job selling ads, but I also wanted to know how
the traffic manager, the person who put together the logs
and put the commercials in place, how they did their job.
I wanted to know how the business manager did her job.
I wanted to know how the production manager did his job.
I even wanted to know what the engineers were up to.
For some reason, I wanted to know every aspect of
(43:36):
that business. So anyway, fast forward to today. I don't
have a big radio tower in my backyard, but I
don't need one, and I basically have the equivalent of
a small radio station, and I have to know how
(43:56):
to traffic the ads. I need to know how to
do the engineering. I need to know how to do
the job of a production manager. I basically need to
know all the job functions of a radio station to
make this go. I do have some people to help
me on a part time basis, but largely it is me.
So my point being, how did I know back then
(44:18):
that I was going to need all those skills in
twenty twenty four retro causality, the fact I'm doing this
now kind of harkened back and said, Jim, Jim, pay
attention to that engineer right now. Watch what he's doing,
you know, And maybe that's the same way like you
meet your spouse. Maybe that's the same thing happens. And why,
(44:41):
you know, instead of making a left turn and getting
in that horrible accident, you make a right turn. I
don't know, but it's something that fascinates me. I've been
thinking about a lot lately.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, speaking of podcasts, Oh, it's my podcast will hit
two years in January.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
We congratulations. Let's excellent. Believe me, you are ahead of
the curve because most people do a couple episodes and
say this isn't as easy as it looks.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh yeah, yeah we so.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
I know.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
When I started this podcast in twenty twenty three, I
was like, you know, O, which'll do ten twenty episodes
colored quits. And now I'm almost at one hundred episodes.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Congratulations, that's excellent.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Oh yeah, and uh and and also this podcast, I've
talked over almost one hundred guests and about had one
hundred different topics.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yes, How it keeps, how it keeps building, and I
just keep coming back every time I get an interview.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Well, I think that's the way to do it, Jacob.
You just put one foot in front of the other.
And sometimes I'm tired and it's like, huh, it's like,
just do this stuff. Just do this stuff. If you're tired,
you work through it. If you're a little bit down,
you work through it. You get back up again. I think, Uh,
any success in podcasting or anything else in life for
(46:02):
that matter. The power of persistence.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Absolutely. Oh, I know there's some people that has a
big setup. Of course I don't get the big setup.
You know, I did use a computer and a headset.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
And I didn't when I started. I start with a
computer and a headset. And your headset is far superior
than the one I started with. I think mine was
a twenty five dollars Plant Tronics headset. My Verse. And
you know what, those those episodes are still up and
you know what, they're actually kind of listenable. I mean,
(46:35):
way way behind what you're doing now. It sounds great.
But my point is is that you start off and
then you build and so forth. I mean, I didn't
start with all this stuff. So and there's people have
way fancier setups than me.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh yeah, before we end the podcast, And where can
people find you own a social media.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Well, you can find my virtual care group on Facebook.
Just search for Jim Harold's Virtual Campfire. We have twenty
six thousand members over there. That was free and that's
where people share their spooky stories. It's like a companion
to the podcast. You can find me on Instagram and
(47:16):
so forth. At the Jim Harold and of course, as
I said before, find the podcasts at at Jim Harold
dot com and wherever you get your podcast, and the
book number six if I can get it out of
the shadows there True Go Stories Volume six from Jim
Harold's Campfire you can get on Amazon dot com, Barnesannoble
(47:38):
dot com and hope everybody checks it out.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So can people find all the books, like all the
series on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yes, they're all on Amazon. Correct, that's the best place
to get them all?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, all right, And when this goes up, oh, when
this episode goes up, to have all the links in
the description as well, So pep click on it and
go and listen or buy a book and I'll have
that in the description before we end. Do you get
a close and thought for the people listening to the podcast?
Speaker 4 (48:11):
You know, I've done some live events and I've said this,
and I think it's important and it's maybe not what
people expect, and I think the Campfire podcast has taught
me this. If you have stories, if they're paranormal stories,
or they're just family stories or interesting things that have
happened in your life, share them, whether it's coming on
(48:33):
my podcast or somebody else's podcast, or whether it's just
sharing it with family and friends. Maybe it's getting a
recorder and recording it. Share those stories. That's how we
live on. Share your stories, paranormal or otherwise. It means
so so much. I know all the family stories that
have kind of accumulated up here over the years. They
(48:54):
mean so much to me. It's kind of like my
relatives who have passed are still around because I can
pull up those stories. So whether they're spooky otherwise, do
share those stories. It's so important.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Absolutely, Oh jim oh, don't thank you for coming on
the podcast.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Jacob, thank you. I've never been on a show introduced
by the Duke, so I considered an honor in the
first time. And keep up your good work. Congratulations on
two years and approaching your one hundredth episode.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Oh thank you, appreciate it. All right, that wraps up
this week. Tune in next week for another episode. Until
then on God Bless and we'll catch you guys next week.
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