Corin's Reading Room Episode 10 -- The Philosophy of Fire Part 7

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another episode of Koran's Reading Room, hosted by, of course
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(03:41):
This is going to be the last episode we do
on the Philosophy of Fire, even if I don't get
through it all, which I won't in this episode, but
I want to move on to something else, you know, once,
once we finish this up. I have a couple of
books on my on my list that I'd like to
get to. This one though, the Philosophy of of Fire,

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which is written by our Swinburne Climber. He's a Rosicrucian,
the philosopher, a doctor, and he's written some other great
books as well, but this particular one is a favorite
of mine from from the past. And you know, well,
let me get my glasses on. There we go, all right?

(04:26):
Oh wow, look, oh is that what I look like?
Jeez should have known? And uh, we'll dive right in.
So the philosophy this this uh, this chapter we're starting
on right now, is called the Ancient Mysteries, and it
says here the Philosophy of Fire on page one ten.

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The philosophy of Fire not merely inculcated a strict morality,
a blameless life, and loyalty to the school which taught it,
but also demanded strict obedience to the laws governing health, health, strength,
and power well being in every department of life. This philosophy,
handed down in one form or another throughout the ages,
always brings enlightenment, the light to its faithful initiates. The

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shrine of fire is a symbol at once of creative
love and of the highest attributes of God. Initiates recognize
the flame of the fire as a symbol of the
supreme hierarch, which to them was all powerful and absolute,
and which personified life, love, and the eternal verities of

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which man may become but is not necessarily a part
of the Initiates of these mysteries were aware that the
mass was wholly unprepared to constructively apply the knowledge concealed
in the mysteries. They therefore invented symbols and ceremonies whereby
to conceal the arcanum, but at the same time teach the.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Laws all of a more or less exoteric nature, which
the man, for their benefit could be encouraged to obey,
and at the same time worship an unknown, therefore potent God.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
The very fact that this God was hidden and mysterious
became an inducement for their devotion. What I kind of
get out of that is that you know, at some
point in our distant past, there were individuals who came
to a higher understanding of our place in the universe.

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But the complexity of this knowledge was such that other
individuals who weren't as adept at understanding these kind of deeper,
more esoteric cosmic principles would need to have kind of
a watered down version of that in order to create

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a society that can be balanced. So this idea of
worship being gods, so to speak, is an easier, softer
way than getting somebody to have a a personal experiential

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version of of what that what that is. So it's
you know, in order to create balance in a society
that there is necessarily, in my opinion, either you have
to have a very very strict kind of lawfare tactic
where you where you penalize people into behaving in a

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way that benefits humankind, or you need to have some
type of spiritual uh, you know, spiritual backbone for that
and that that can come in in in the same
respect that like. Okay, so you have laws, and the
laws say, well, if you if you commit this act,

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you're going to go to this prison. And from a
spiritual side, with this idea of gods, you know, if
you commit this act, you will be damned for the
rest of your life and won't be born into heaven
or born into some other higher state after this lifetime.
If you believe in reincarnation, and then you would have

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to say that that you would not want to return
to this life with the baggage of your last life,
if your last life was spent in a in kind
of a criminal mindset, those activities, all of that. So
it would be assumed that when you returned to a

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new body that you would have you would be born
into a far less comfortable life condition that would predispose
you to having to work that whole entire process again,
how do I survive in this life? You know without

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committing acts against others that would then create more karma
to to have to deal with later on. But the so,
you know, that's the idea that I get from that. They.
I think that that when we get into you know,

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religion and or especially organized religion, there there is a
power structure to it. And I think that some individuals
who maybe should not be in positions of power when
it comes to spirituality are because they have control over
the people who come to them for uh, you know,

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on their own spiritual quest. And you know what kind
of individual would prefer to have people follow them their
whole lives in order to accomplish this goal, rather than
giving them the tools to figure that out for themselves
and lead themselves without having to be led by another

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you know what I'm saying, Rick.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, no, I mean, and this is something that I've
come to terms with, you know, especially you know, reconciling
the fact that the older Jewish faith also believed in reincarnation,
reincarnation and eventually it was kind of carved out of
there except for a couple of references in the Bible.
I am a firm believer that I think organized religion
is kind of maybe the collective consciousness way of trying

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to give us a shortcut so that we don't keep
having to live the same loops over and over and
over again perspective, and it just comes back to this
whole thing of you know, we talked about this a
couple of episodes ago that and touched on it a
little bit in the last episode. But before we left
the Allegian fields have and whatever you want to call it,

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or the realm that we all come from, before we
decided to come here, and we sagged a little bit
of that spark that is now you know, evident in
the moment of creation. By the way, if you look
at if you look at modern science today, you can
see the moment that the egg becomes fertilized and there's
a giant.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Spark, giant big flash of light is why.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Giant and scale of course, but still kind of reinforcing
the same thing of you know that this whole you know,
this whole fire kind of thing that we've been discussing
through this entire book, but that there are things that
we decided that we needed to learn and to go
back to last week's episode, one of the things that
I thought was interesting when you started talking about how
you know, the consciousness needed a mirror to be able

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to hold up to it to itself natural world, and
even some of our creative works follow much the same thing,
like we send emissaries to other countries so that they
can come back and tell us what those other countries
are like, so that we have a better way of
dealing with them. And that's how we've always done with
dealt with things. One of my favorite sci fi shows
of all time, even if they did, still the idea
from the creators of Battle on five Star Trek Deep

(12:03):
Space nine, that's the entire premise of who winds up
becoming the big bad They sent these They sent these
creations of theirs out into the universe so that they
could come back and tell them about the universe abroad,
because they were isolationists. So the idea that all this
stuff kind of works its way back into our fiction,
our our actual day to day lives, it just it's

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it's just kind of this weird. It is actually a
mirror universe because we are still doing the very same
thing that that that created us did and trying to
understand our world as best we can and sending our
you know people or you know parts of parts of
ourselves technically, since we're all technically interconnected anyway, out to
be the eyes and ears that we need for the

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places that we can't get into. So there's something that
I've been kind of ruminating on since the last episode, and.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
I like it. I like it very much. Let's see,
let me get back in here. Where did I leave evolved?
Let's see it says here the Nazarene. He said, because

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it is given unto you to know the mysteries of
the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given.
Uh that that was a message that he gave to
his followers versus those who weren't following, and the you know,
the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven. I think that that's,
you know, that that's specific to this idea that that
that we have, that that if you once you have
that realization of the oneness of all things, that that

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we are part and parcel to everything, that that our
actions and our behaviors reverberate out there in the universe,
and that that that just like all you know, the
law cause and effect, that reverberation, you know, has a
tendency to come back and hit us. You know, and
it's it's it is interesting because they universe and how

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we live now what you know, the people we see
out there who seem to be the most successful and
uh and and many of them don't appear to have
any kind of of spiritual spine. It's all materialism, and
yet they're so successful. But but but they don't live
godly lives. And so it's I think it's easier to

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easy to fall into that trap here in the physical
universe to believe that, hey, well, if they're doing it
and they're getting away with it, then I can do
the same thing and get away with it because for
all intents and purposes, it doesn't seem to be having
any effect on them. And you can go into you know,
the family histories of the ruling families of the planet

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and see that uh that from one lifetime to the
next and one generation to the next, uh that there
doesn't seem to be any you know, any real recourse
that uh uh that that that that they have to
deal with for or their enslavement of mankind, you could say,
through monetary means. And that is a conundrum I find

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here that that that it doesn't sometimes it doesn't appear
that the karma snaps back fast enough in order to
level the playing field for all of us. But but
that's just that's just a loose thought. I'm gonna die
back in here, says the region now known as Arya

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Yarta to the southeast and across the Great Rivers and
into the part of India where they found a people
descended from the terranean families, a pure white race who
became known as the cast and are still who had
come from the north and northeast. So all of the
mysteries were from the same original source and had in
view the unshackling of the change which bind man mentally,

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physically and spiritually and prevent him from attaining his freedom.
Just real quick on that on that honky top there
in the in the Hindu tradition, and in the Hindu tradition,
there is this this history that at some time in
the furthest reaches of of known history for that region,

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that that some people's came there who were uh Caucasian essentially,
and brought them some information that they that they went
on and and and did their own thing with. But
uh about whether that that term of uh you know,
of of being white meant pure, because that can be
a whole different thing. So it's so I think there's

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been a misinterpretation potentially of these kind of historical in
a historical context, that that there was some you know,
white race that showed up in India thousands of years
ago and gave them all the all of the knowledge
that they would need to to create a civilization. But

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at the same time, you could say, by what was
meant by white really meant pure or a race of
pure beings who came there and taught them these ways,
and that would not have any association of race to
take into mind there, it would just But anyway, that's
a side note.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
For the record. You just put the entirety of the
Saturday Night Live Chevy Chase skit and Richard Pryor skit
in my head for the day.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
So thank you, Yes, my pleasure, My pleasure, buddy. So
it goes on. All of the true initiates and masters
seeking the line of least resistance are fully informed when
and how to proceed, and have in view but one object,
the welfare and progress of humanity and the greatest good
for the largest number of beings concealing their labors remaining

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themselves the unknown, but influencing others to do the work
to be done, or working through agents pledged to conceal
their very existence. It reveals to them the meaning of
the goal of human evolution and development, and gives them
the unqualified assurance that such development is being aided by
those who know now, as it has not been for

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many centuries. Workers are unlikely to be sacrificed by an inquisition,
although they may be persecuted for their beliefs or teachings.
Guided by a complete philosophy, armed with a key to symbolism,
aided by the initiates and the secret schools, the lost
mysteries may be fully restored and their benefits conferred upon
the races of men now so badly in need of

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the instructions and the help the schools offer. Mere vulgar
curiosity and secrecy alone have never been, and never will be,
the password to the addentum of true initiation. It necessitates
something more than curiosity to find the gait of the
path that leads to sole illumination or initiation. Unselfish love

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leads to God. Love and God are symbolized by the sacred,
ever burning fire. That same fire, which Moses of all
saw in the burning bush from what's issued the voice,
you know real quick on that when it comes to
the history of the control of human minds by other peoples,

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if you have this understanding of yourself as you know,
as as a spiritual being with infinite potential directly connected
to the creative source, then that's a mind that is
not easily manipulated or controlled. And if you have a

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structure that prefers absolute control over a population rather than
uplifting that population to a place spiritually and metaphysically where
they themselves are running control over their own behaviors, you

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know that because then you don't need a president, you
don't need a government, you don't need a priest, a
a i mom, you don't need a rabbi, you don't
need any of these things. Really, if if you if
you are directly approaching source and and and and and

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gleaning that information and and that revelation that like it said,
like it just said that unselfish love leads to God.
And so if you have a loving, caring society that
that innately wants to help one another out, that that's
just part of of of the culture and the way,

(20:43):
then you don't you need somebody poking and prodding people
in the direction of corightiousness or or correct action. Uh,
you don't need punishment. They just won't do They won't
take those kind of actions. Uh. Once elevated to that
level of spiritual consciousness, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, And I think this goes back to a couple
of what three four episodes ago. I think when the
Atlanteans come up in the conversation, I don't think it's
so much that their law I don't think it's so
much that their laws were as tricked. I think it
was just they had evolved to the point where people
were just trying to basically do the right thing and
treat each other with dignity and respect, kind of the
same thing that we push for all the time. The

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problem that I have is, and this is something that
I get into arguments with people all the time. You know,
my faith, and I am not a huge fan of
organized religion. It's one of the reasons why I don't
run a church anymore. I do still attend one because
I feel like my kids and my grandkids need that
structure while they're figuring things out. But I do believe
that one of the biggest arguments that I have with

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everybody who thinks the government should be doing all the
things for all the people is that's not what anything
in any faith says. You're supposed to be the ones
doing those things. By basically taking your hands off the
wheel and letting the government do them for you, you're
not getting what you need out of being able to
help others, which is one of the things that I've
been trying to teach for as long as I've been
doing this. Whether you agree with my mindset and the

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things that I discuss on my shows or not, find
a way to make sure that your corner of the
world is the best that you can make it, and
then radiate out from there, because part of how you
make things better is by not waiting for the government
to do things, by not waiting for other people to
do things, because you're not getting what you need from
it then, and I think that is part of how
we elevate ourselves is through different forms of acts of service.

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I mean, there's this whole thing about that. There's this
book that I probably should have started reading before my
second divorce, not after, called the Five called the five
love languages, and I'd never really been exposed to it
been exposed to it before, But it's the different ways
that people have innately based on their personality type in
the ways that they best express and receive love. And

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there's usually five different types. Some people are strictly one
or the other, other people are a bit of a combination.
Like for me, my biggest one is acts of service.
Part of the reason why I'm always the guy that's,
you know, jumping in and filling gaps when needed, et cetera.
And everyone's like, oh, you ever do is work? And
I'm like, yeah, it's because people need me so but

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but yeah, so, I mean, so I get it. And
I think part of that is that elevation thing. But
again that kind of goes back to you have to
find your own balance first before you can elevate, and
going back to what you talked about in the beginning
of the program, the reason I think a lot of
the ultra successful people remain nothing but ultra successful in
gathering all the things is because it's the only thing
that they understand. And then you have the other people,

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I mean, like I and this is this is a
story from my second marriage my second wife had. I
think he was a third or fourth cousin that lived
in a shack and drove a broke down car and
wore overalls all the time. But dude died with like
five million dollars in the bank. And I'm like, what

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is the point in that, right if he had just
worked on making sure that his corner of the world
was the best that he could make it with. I mean,
and this was over a decade or so ago, when
money was worth even more than it is right now.
Imagine the lives that he could have touched or changed
if he hadn't held on to.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
All of it. Yeah, totally, man.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's one of the things that that I that as
I got more into history, one of the things that
I loved about our founding fathers and the way things
used to be was it wasn't all this I'm gonna
hang on to all this and pass it on to
my kids someday. No, once they were gone, they found
things to do with their money. They set up, you know,
foundations or other things so that libraries could be built,
schools could be built. We need to get back to

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that instead of just this generational wealth thing. And then
everybody because because again, why do you like it or not?
Part of being human is a struggles. It's learning to
deal with the struggle, it's learning to overcome the struggles.
And again, I think that's partly because, as we've talked
about all throughout this series that we've been doing for
the last several episodes, the universe needed a mere so

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that the universe could understand itself totally. If you don't
need a mirror that just says I'm just gonna sit
on the couch and watch Jerry Springer and eat Pringles
all day. The universe didn't need that, which is why
I do say that I think we spend way too
much time on our leisure activities. But that's because you know,
we're not having to spend twelve hours a day forging

(25:23):
for food, gathering water and cutting firewood anymore, so we're
trying to find things to fill those voids. And you know,
hard times make easy people. Are hard times make hard people,
and easy times make a lazy people.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
Totally totally man and it's it's it's interesting. It says here,
it says explain it as you will. It can never
be explained away. The character remains and whether historical or ideal,
it is a real and eternal, spiritual precept. The Christos
is no myth. It is the divine spark latent in man.

(25:59):
That that just just discussing. There was a section here
before that where it it talks about that, you know,
the fact that some people believe that that that you know,
whether Jesus was was real, a real person that lived
in real life or or not, that it doesn't matter
that that that, uh, that whether historical or ideological. You know,

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the the Cristos, the divine spark within is not a lie,
you know, or is not a falsehood or is not
And he doesn't suggest in this book that Jesus didn't
exist either, But but just as touching on that that subject,
because some people have brought that, you know, brought that
up and and suggesting that to be the case, I
don't believe that to be the case at all. I

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believe that that, uh, that that the true history of
that historical character has been manipulated and shifted and changed
and molded, uh for for the benefit of of of
of more organized groups. But I certainly believe that that
that the individual was really existed and and brought great

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incredible change to a land that was that was really
in the throes of heavy suppression. You know, uh that
before Jesus showed up on the scene, that the temple
was the beginning and the end of all things, and
the law was was written in stone. And it wasn't

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about uh necessarily you know, achieving some great spiritual goal individually,
as much as it was simply about minding the rules.
And if you didn't mind the rules, you were in
deep doo doo. And that included all of the taxation
and everything that was going on at that time. And uh,
and hence why the character of Jesus went and kicked

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over the money changers tables on the temple mount uh,
you know, the protests, but totally so this goes on here.
The traditions and the symbols of mysticism and the philosophy
of fire, the light, or the pathway to the soul
do not derive any real value from historical data, but

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from the universally eternal truth which they embody, and from
the divine philosophy that the soul is nothing less than
a smaller addition of the Father who gave it existence,
and is capable of being made manifest through the fire
or its light, in the form of love for one's
fellow creatures, for truth and wisdom, and finally, in the

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heart's desire to portray God. All of the great truths
obscured and partially lost in one age by misinterpretation or
self interest classes or self interested classes, or as a
result of persecution, rise phoenix like rejuvenated and with greater
power in the next age. In the mystery of the

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phoenix is also hidden the mystery of the human soul.
And that's just you know, the idea that you know,
the rising of the phoenix from the ashes is symbolic
of the you know, the soul being lifted up out
of the mire of the of the the lower self
and being cleansed, you know, by this spiritual fire as uh,

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you know. And and this just to back that up
real quick, as a belief that there's that there's you
have a soul and a spirit. So it's not that
they're the same thing. They live in the same body,
the soul being the energy that animates the body without
necessity of spirit, but the spirit which which comes in
and animates the the the mind. And uh, and that

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that the soul let's say, has you know it's it's
pure and the same form that the spirit is is pure.
But the soul is that energy that is associated directly
with the feelings that the body is having. So the emotions,
the sensations, that feels, all of these things are part
of that that that lower energy form, which if if
we don't, if we don't have a concept of ourselves

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as as a spiritual being, and you know, we can
still live a really great quality life being soulful and
being kind and good to others. But but it is
in the raising of that you know of that ignorance
to a higher state of awareness. Doesn't mean that you
have to know calculus. That's not what I mean by ignorance.

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It's the ignorance of of the self and and the
ignorance of our own true nature, which in my belief,
is that that we are are spiritual beings. And so
the spiritual being comes down, enters the body, and it
wants to up, It wants to lift out of the
mire the soul of that body and and allow for
us to live in a much more elated and uh

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and and loving state. Where I mean, anybody who knows
when you're in when you're in the throes of of
of deep love and adoration, there is a sensation that
comes with that that is just so wonderful and magnificent
and and balancing and pure and uh, you know, it's
it's like when you come home and and you and

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you see your your your your your dog, and your
dog is just so stoked that you're back, and it's
just wagging its tail like crazy and it's just feeling
and and that feeling hits us. And unless you're in
the worst mood ever you're you know, uh that that
dog is gonna lift you up. It's gonna it's gonna
spread that love to you, because that's all it has
is is just simple adoration for your existence and the

(31:34):
fact that you're there and you're a part of its life.
And I feel like if if we can all achieve
some something that simple and profound, that uh that that
that that that is where that shift can happen, uh,
you know, on on on a much deeper, more you know,
elevated level.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Well, it's interesting because and this is something that just
occurred to me. Again, I always find it interesting that
God and dog are the same word. Backwards.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
I know it is funny matter no matter how you.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Look at it, because have you ever noticed the life
of a dog when when you know, when they're well
taken care of them, they're happy. I'm not talking about
the ones you see on the asp A C A,
SPC A commercials and all the if you spend thirty
six cents a day, you know, not that, dude, that
has to be the closest to Heaven that any actual
physical creature can get because they got nothing to worry about.
They get to hang out with the thing that they

(32:24):
love all the time. They got food, They get to
that when they I'm like, dude, if karma is a thing,
eventually I will come back as a dog to a
loving family. Because almost awesome, you know.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
But it's the same things. You know, we have the
option where we're such we complicate things so much. It
seems to me that that that that's what we're looking for.
Is that's that simplicity, you know, that that that that
love is, that that love is God, that like you know,
just says unselfish love leads to God. And that's and

(32:57):
and and why why are we incapable of, you know,
of accomplishing that that level of unselfish love and that
and again I don't want to say that that means
that that that we forgive the unforgivable, you know. I mean,
obviously I do believe the forgiveness solves everything. But you
can forgive somebody but still punish them for what they did,

(33:20):
you know, because with with without some elements of you know,
of having retribution for for wrongdoing, then all that does
is quantify wrongdoing as being okay. And I just don't
believe that it is, even though in the physical universe
today as we see it, it has the apparency of

(33:45):
of of being okay. You know.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Well, I mean, so back to this whole forgiveness thing,
because I've actually had to counsel people on this before
who were like, well, how can what if how can
I forgive them but then still not want to have
anything to do with them. I'm like, you're You're missing
The key point forgiveness is about you, not about them.
You forgiving them allows you to let go of the
malice and everything else that you're holding. The way they
treated you is their invitation to no longer be present

(34:09):
in your life. You've forgiven them doesn't mean that you
have to accept them back in, and I usually encourage people,
especially depending on how bad the situation was, to try
to do everything they can to distance themselves from the
people that have hurt them so much that they're struggling with, well,
how do I forgive them and still not have anything
to do with them it because it's basically choosing not

(34:31):
to forgive someone and holding malice and wishing them ill
is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.
It doesn't work, but totally man, the more of that
negativity that you hold on to, as we've been talking
about all through these episodes, negativity can lead internally to
things happening with you. It changes your mindset, It changes
how you view the world. It can even affect your

(34:53):
health and your overall state of being if you live
in the negative too much. So forgiveness isn't about them,
It's about you. It's about you letting it go so
that you can move past it and move on with
your life. Whether you choose to have them in your
life or not is always going to be ultimately up
to you. But just because you've forgiven someone, I can
forgive someone and I can love someone from a thousand
miles away.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Yeah, and it just it just makes me reflect on,
you know, on raising kids and all of that. It's like,
you know, for instance, with my son, he was, you know,
a massive gamer, loved gaming, and he would get so
engrossed in his gaming that you know, he would slack
off on his grades, and so you know, we would

(35:34):
have to take away his Xbox or whatever he's playing
on and and go and put it at Grandma's house
in the closet, and then he would come home from
school that day and lo and behold, you know, his
addiction is gone. And there would be a transitional phase
of him being very upset about that and angry about
that and everything. But then as the days went on

(35:56):
he started getting back into his schoolwork. He knew that
he wasn't going to get his game back unless he
part his game, his grades up and all these things.
And it's not to say that that you know that
you know, we wanted to put him through that that,
but in order for him to learn a lesson, it
was necessary for there to be some type of punishment. Now,
I mean, if if punishment is getting your xbox taken

(36:18):
away for three weeks, you're in good shape. But you know.
But uh, but it doesn't feel good to do that.
But it's the right thing to do, you know what
I'm saying. So there there, there is that aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
It doesn't I don't know. I'm just gonna say. I'm
just gonna say this real quick. Taking away a boy's
xbox is akin to taking away a girl's phone. So
it may seem okay to you, totally.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
It says here. So the master workman, the true initiate,
will chip away the stone and reveal in all its
grandeur and beauty, the divine ideal hidden therein, and endow
it with the breath of light. Such is the builder
of the soul. It requires a master teacher to accept
man in his crude and carnal state, and by instruction, guidance,

(37:05):
and development, lead him through the path of initiation. The
final accomplishment is possible only by the process of growth
and inner spiritual awakening. The more profound secrets of the
mysteries cannot be revealed or taught by means of ceremonial initiation.
They belong to those few who are willing to live

(37:25):
the life and thereby grow in knowledge, desire, feeling, and
continued effort. To experience is to know. To be taught
is merely to believe, nothing more. It is only when
man divides his day of twenty four hours into three
equal parts, one third for labour, wherewith to obtain the
necessities of life, one third for rest, and the other

(37:46):
third for recreation, self improvement, and the awakening of his
higher self, that he will become the balanced being God
his creator intended he should be. It is only through
a complete, balanced philosophy of the entire higher nature of
man and the capacities and destiny of the human soul,
supplemented by the use of such knowledge, that man will

(38:07):
eventually begin the journey to perfection. It is the only
path leading to the goal of rejuvenation of the entire
being called man. Two conditions at the present moment stand
squarely in the way of such achievement. First, anarchy and confusion,
a non belief in law and order, the result of
selfishness in social relations. This plight can be overcome in

(38:30):
but one way, the recognition of the freedom and privilege
of all men to seek knowledge and wisdom in their
own way as a fact in life and universal divine law.
Inefficient methods of education, have permitted the universal infiltration of
atheism and immorality and complete godlessness. The almost total ignorance

(38:55):
of the finer forces, and lack of knowledge regarding the
unbelievable patientialities of the spiritual light inherent in man has
brought about a condition where these divine inheritances are almost
at the point of annihilation, while only the physical and
intellectual part of man survives. This ignorance and inertia may
be recognized in the fact that hardly one individual in

(39:16):
one hundred thousand. Sorry. This ignorance and inertia may be
recognized in the fact that hardly one individual in one
hundred thousand, with both leisure and opportunity, is inclined to
make any effort to attain any real advancement in the
evolution of his higher forces. Nor has man the slightest

(39:36):
inkling of the fact that he may become a conscious soul,
and all that this might mean to him. If earnest
men and women would seek with diligence first for the
cause of all ills, mental, physical, and economic, secondly for
an efficient remedy, the penatia will be found first in
the attainment of knowledge of cause and effect Secondly, in

(39:59):
a edience to creative laws. This knowledge has existed for
uncountable years, at times only in the secret archives of
the secret school. That is, it became degraded by the
selfishness of all but the few, and then suppressed by
design that for centuries, designing secretarians, many of whom would
have disgraced the scaffold since they were canonized as saints,

(40:22):
and who did their utmost to deprive mankind of his knowledge.
You know what it was issuing. We were just talking
about this, this very phenomenon that you know that in
today's day and age, we seem to be living in
a primarily materialistic worldview, that what we what we accomplish

(40:46):
and achieve in the material universe, meaning how much money
we make, what kind of car we drive, what kind
of clothes we wear, how much money we have in
the bank, you know, what kind of restaurants we eat.
All of these kind of materialistic ideas that that that uh,

(41:07):
that really are force fed to us. And and I
think that that's by intention, because with with entertainment today,
it would be very easy to turn the tide by
changing the programming that we that we see on on
television and uh, and Gearrett more towards these topics that

(41:28):
Rick and I have been discussing, you know, that the
elevation of humanity to a higher level of spiritual development. Uh,
just through the stories and and entertainment that that we
provide to the human race. We could do that very
thing very quickly, you know, but we don't. And I

(41:49):
think that that's by design. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I was gonna say this goes back to that whole
control thing, because I mean, and and I know we've
only touched on it briefly, but I have found all
kinds of information about because of everything in life is
a frequency, that they're using the frequencies that we are
constantly surrounded by to change our very state of being

(42:12):
because they figured out how that stuff works.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Yeah, and the five G thing is kind of scary too,
you know, it's just you know, it's a I know,
most people may not realize that that five G hasn't
been fully implemented really, that that we have these things
five G phones and that that all this, But I
from my understanding of it is that it's not it's
not running currently. So even if you have a five
G phone, you're still running three G or whatever. I

(42:36):
I but uh, but I don't necessarily know what you know,
what the cause and effect of that technology may or
may not be on us when it's fully implemented and
up and running. I don't know what what what that
may or may not do. Uh. It could very well
have a terribly negative effect on us, or it might

(43:01):
have no effect. I don't know. But I do know
that that that you know, these things right here, the
phones and all the information in them can be controlled
and can have a negative effect. But uh, but but
again it's it's just how we are are programmed. The
program that we that we endure in our upbringing leads

(43:24):
to this perception of life that is not necessarily organic, uh,
to ourselves. I mean we we learn all of these
things from from our parents, from our school, from our nation,
you know, from whatever entertainment we go to, from whatever
sources of knowledge and information we seek out. Whatever it's

(43:44):
going to, you know, create a layer of reality for us.
That that that that once we buy into it, once
we fully are immersed in it, there's not necessarily a
quick way out. And and that's why I'm very sensitive
to getting too deep into any one particular point of

(44:07):
view or way of perceiving life. You know, that's whether
religiously or or spiritually. I mean spiritually, yes, but it's
whether religiously or in the physical universe. It's just I'm
not a greedy person. I'm not a materialistic person, sometimes
to a fault, because I you know, I'm not driven

(44:30):
to you know, become grotesquely rich, successful, famous, or any
of those things. That's just never been my bag. And
because of that, I never took the correct measures and
actions in the physical universe that would have provided me
a much more laissez fair lifestyle, which for me, if

(44:53):
I had, I would use for these reasons, you know,
and hopefully I would use for these reasons as I
have in the past. But but there's always the chance that,
you know, once you're bitten by that, by that materialism,
that the snake of materialism, it's that that venom runs deep,

(45:14):
you know.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Well, I mean, and this goes back to one of
the most often misquoted and misrepresented scriptures within the Bible,
money being the root of all evil. That's not what
that verse actually says. It says the love of money
is the root of all evil because you're elevating something above,
you know, your place in the universe, God, whatever you
want to call it, and that then becomes the thing

(45:35):
that you were constantly chasing. And to go back to
the point you were making a moment ago, remember that
whole thing of you know, if you were if you
had the ability to go back and be eighteen eighteen
years old again, and you could tell yourself something to
do in four words, what would you do invest in
the savings account? I have to do a hyphen But
my dad and I when I was like fifteen, he

(45:55):
set me down one day and he said, you know,
now that you're starting to work and you're doing more
than just mowing lawns, you really should open savings account.
And I can help you do it, and just put
twenty dollars in there every time you get paid, and
as long as you just leave it alone, and once
you get enough in there, you could roll it into
a hire rating, a savings account, or even put it
into some sort of a mutual fund. And by the
time you're miam by the time you're you know, pretty

(46:16):
much the age I am now, I could have had
like a million dollars have been able to retire.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
And yes, that's true, tragic truth to stomach.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
So that's one of the things that I've always you know,
because I'm like, you know, there's all these things that
I want to do if I only had the material
ability to be able to do them. But that goes
back to that whole you know, disconnect, and part of it,
I think is a disconnect by design because the people
that have, again we talked about this a couple episodes ago,
the people that have figured out the cheap codes on
how to get everything they want out of life. Because

(46:46):
you'll see people that do that. Hell, Elon Musk is
a prime example. Dude basically came up out of nowhere
as far as I can tell, and basically understands almost everything.
He's running like five different companies making more money than God,
and it's just always out there doing something and I'm
but it's like I never hear or see him, you know,
going to anybody else and saying, Hey, this is this
is how I figured this out. This is how I

(47:07):
figured that out. Because it's like once you get to
that point, once you're able to break through to that point,
it's like something shifts for people. And I think it's
because it is so much within the realm of the physicality.
Then once they've gotten there, they don't want anybody else
getting there. And that's what you're seeing, you know, through
all throughout history. I mean, the Reformation happened because you know,

(47:29):
Catholicism was a thing and basically at one point the
only way you get to heaven was with enough gold
for the vicar. And then the King of England got
jealous about all those coffers and treasures and everything else
and said, I want my own religion. And the Reformation
was like, dude, this is not anything anybody intended it
to be. And then again, the longer and organized religion
is around, whether it's Baptist, supposed, non denominational, whatever the

(47:50):
case may be, there still eventually becomes a power structure
and those at the top get richer and those at
the bottom don't. And that's one of the reasons why
I'm just I'm not a fan of organized religion, because
no matter your intention, once something gets started, please see
the current state of our country, Eventually it will not
be what you intended. And I'm a firm believer today
that if our founding fathers could come back and see, yes, today,

(48:12):
they would bitchlap every single one of us for.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
A yeah, totally on what we were just talking about,
the materialism. It's interesting because this next page dives in.
It says a science denies the existence of a soul
and forms another picture by trying to demonstrate that the
struggle for existence is a necessary condition for improvement in
every department of man's nature, but fails to go far enough,

(48:34):
dealing as it does only with the physical man, forgetting
the real man, the soul or spiritual man, as completely
as formal religious practices have forgotten the physical man, until
and unless we can bring sorry, until and unless we
can agree again bring man to comprehend that he is
a complex, well combined being and awaken him to the

(48:56):
fact that he may and must develop the inner spiritual
being in harmony with the normal outer man. This chaos
will continue until final revolution armageddon among all races, will
wipe out the greater portion of present human family in
preparation for a new race. Man is not man as yet,
and will not be until such time as he sought

(49:18):
and found his own soul, that living ineffable light or flame,
which allies him with his creator and the author of
all that exists. There is a widespread and increasing conviction
that true education, that which deals with the whole man,
with both the good and the evil in him, would

(49:38):
prove a panatia for all evils, and that if we
were to begin with the training of all children in
this light, we would eventually reform society. Such a system
of education would necessarily mean the awakening of the highest
idealism in man, and the means of making this practical.
It would be a fourfold and rational development of the

(49:59):
entire higher being. Only by teaching the truths, not as
conceived by materialists or theological enthusiasts, but as made manifest
through the awakened spiritual self, will the race be elevated.
In general. Selfishness or material gain is the keynote of
the present day system of education. Hence it has been

(50:20):
a miserable failure. Nothing so shrouds the higher self, the
soul in darkness as selfishness, the primary cause of the
universal mistrust and hatred between classes and races, and the
mother of the enslavers and destroyers of men. That you know,
we were just talking about that, and it's so so

(50:42):
true that without you know, without a spiritual path, with that,
what do we what are we left with. We're left
with laws. But you know, the the laws can be broken,
and you can, and you can you can get something
out of the breaking of those laws if you can

(51:04):
get away with it. The difference is is that when
when you are raised spiritually to a certain level of
understanding about the balance of things, you can't break that
law because you know what the cause and effect is
going to be for oneself in doing something, So trying

(51:24):
to get something for nothing, you know, robbing the neighbor's house,
you know, for for the the gold rolex, so that
you can go and do whatever with the money instead
of working for it. You know. It's it's that shortcut
kind of system that we're in right now, and it's

(51:45):
it's it's quite tragic.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Well, you're seeing it play itself out in the natural realm,
which is one of the reasons why. And it's one
of the arguments that I've always had with humanist is
man is not innately good. That's just that's just the
truth of it. Man left to his own device, especially
without any type of tempering, is going to find a
way to be his worse version of himself. It just
happens over and over and over again, especially if your

(52:08):
only anchor point is the natural and we're saying we're
seeing it play out right now, because it's like you said,
you know, if you have an understanding that you know
my actions can in fact cause harm to other people,
and that causes you pause, then you don't, you know,
go out and riot and loot every five minutes when
people are pissed off about something. But because there are
now no consequences to those things, because the universe has

(52:30):
always had consequences. That's that's why the natural world exists.
And that's one of the things that I tried to
explain to people a long time ago, even before my
own belief started shifting a little bit. Why do bad
things happen to good people? It's because there are natural consequences,
and there are things that are outside of your control
that still have rules in place that we're established by
the Creator. You know, things that fall down have to

(52:50):
fall down. They can't fall up those kind of things,
So there are natural consequences. Now that we live in
a society that is doing away with those natural consequences,
you know, you've got peo that can do whatever they
want to do and they get no bail because oh,
they had a rough childhood, or they can go, you know,
rob a store blind, and everybody's like, why are there
no grocery stores in my neighborhood anymore? Because they can't

(53:10):
afford to stay open, because they can't be insured anymore
because they've had to file too many claims for being
robbed every five minutes. But if your only frame of
reference is the natural, then you know, there comes a
time when teaching somebody the Ten Commandments doesn't work if
there isn't an anchor point there to teach them. You know,
the reason it matters that you don't murder people is

(53:31):
because you're extinguishing life, or the reason you don't steal
from people is because you're crossing them hardship, and there
will eventually be consequences for those things. If that's not true,
then society starts doing what's happening now. We are on
the precipice of precipice of breaking down, whether anybody wants
to realize it or not, because there's an entire half
of our society now that gets to do whatever they

(53:52):
want to do, whenever they want to do it and
face almost no consequences.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
For wild right now.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
That is a terrible thing.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
It is. It's wild. I mean, when you know, when
you when when you realize that that the you know,
the homicide rates in major cities, you look at those
homicide rates and you're shocked by them. But but what's
even more shocking is how many of those murderers go unsolved.
Like eighty percent basically of the murderers remain completely unsolved.

(54:24):
So how many you know, murderers are out there running
loose with notches on their on their gun belt. Uh
and and and never having to face the piper for it.
That's worse.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I mean, it gets even worse in that one in
that one example you know of homicide. Let's talk about
the dude that gunned down a a head of an
insurance company on video. Yeah, now his attorneys are claiming
that they need a mistrial because he can't have a
fair trial.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
It's on video.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
What are you what are you trying to what are
you trying to say? Here, he did it? Everybody that
he did it anymore. But but that's just it, you know.
And now it's not even that the attorney trying to see, well,
he can't have a fair trial is weird.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Enough.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
All of these people that are venerating this man for
killing someone else.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
It's bananas.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I can't wrap my head around that. I just can't.
I don't care how much I disagree with somebody else politically,
I would never wish ill upon them.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
Never. Yeah, one hundred percent, dude. And the way that
they've shruggered, it says, and it's it's interesting right here
in this quick little line right here says a an
almost universal sex degradation in schools, homes, and social life,
and millions of bodies staggering, uh, staggering under an almost
unbearable variety of torturous, lingering diseases, the result of unnatural

(55:46):
living vice, blood pollution, resulting in mental and physical degeneration.
You know, it's it's how again, when I when I've
been talking about this programming that we've endured from from
a very young age to now, that's exactly it. You know,
there's a degradation in the programming. There's two different ways
to program somebody when they're growing up. You know, positive negative, Well,

(56:10):
there's three ways, really positive, negative and neutral. You know,
positive and neutral are going to give you the best outcome.
But but you know, embracing a negative outlook on life.
Meaning you know this, this, especially when it comes to

(56:30):
sex and race regeneration, is this idea that that, oh, ey,
sex is just sex, It's just it's no big deal. Hey,
who cares? You know, everybody, Well, let's all get lucy
goosey here and and go to town. And but that
right there is the first step towards the complete degradation
of society when you have now lost totally complete respect

(56:55):
for the process of creating new beings, you know, I mean,
that's the whole point behind the act of sex is
to create a new being that it may be born
into this reality, that it may have the experience of
being in a physical form, and the growth, the growth

(57:15):
or decay that that that that individual may experience in
the process. Attatatatatatattattattattattattata