Corin's Reading Room Episode 12 -- The Philosophy of Fire Part 9

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Speaker 2 (02:18):
And welcome.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
In itto Sunday Night, which means you know what time
it is. It is time for Corn's Reading Room, hosted
by none other than mister Koran Nimmick himself. And here
he is, yet again with us, the man, the myths,
the legend right now as we speak.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
What's up? Howdy? How are you Rick?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I'm hanging in there, Man, I'm hanging in there. How
how's things with you? How's things? Whoops? Hang on?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm so tiny, doing good, man, doing good. A quick
shout out to most Jackson for that beautiful opening music
and to KLAARN Radio for hosting this avant garde show.
I appreciate you guys very much. It's it's been interesting

(03:09):
to go back through well. I mean, this book has
taken us forever, but it is very cool. Oh look,
I have low disk space on my computer. Greeting Cicily,
She's welcome to the show. You are always welcome to
the show. Again. We are reading The Philosophy of Fire

(03:32):
and it is a Rosie Krushian book written by Rosie Krushian,
which is Reverend Our Swineburne Climber. I love his name, Swineburne.
How do you go through life with a name like that.
I don't know if it's pronounced swineburn or swinburn to

(03:52):
be honest, but it's probably Swinburne. But really, he's written
some great stuff. This is a very interesting read, and
we've been having some fun with it. I think I'm
going to see how far we get through it tonight, Rick,
because I'm dying to go on to those acotic record books,
and I'm thinking that that no matter where we end

(04:16):
up tonight, well, I'll leave the rest of this book
to the audience to read should they want to. It's
a fantastic read.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I'm not sure I trust you saying that, because you've
said that to me three times.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I've said it three times, but three is a charm.
It's the charm. And we'll see, we'll see delicious coffee.
I love it. But we left off on page one
hundred and forty two out of two hundred and fifty

(04:55):
two hundred and sixty one pages. So we've done. We've
damned near made it a little over halfway through in
like five weeks. It is, it has it has? You know,
I keep getting inspired to continue with this darn thing
because it gets so interesting when we dive into it.

(05:16):
And uh, and he's it's sad because he's got some
great chapters coming up about Egypt and ancient Persia and
some stuff like that. But uh again, you know, I
don't think we'll make it that far. But if we
do right on. If not, then uh, I will make
I will make the hard choice at the end here

(05:40):
whether whether I just stick this thing back on my
shelf or or we continue on with the next week.
I'm sure everybody out there is probably like, okay, enough
enough already, we get it.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think I think they like it. You've had really
good numbers with this one. But I know, I know
it's good. I know it's confusing for us time wise,
because we did some prerecord, but this is actually like
the ninth week on this one's there.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Oh my lord, I don't even want to think about that.
Nine weeks have past already.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yep, a.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Man, time fly, time fly. Well I'm just gonna dive
in and uh uh and and well we'll just you know,
do like do like we knew normally do it. We'll
chop it up for anybody who's just tuning in. I
don't read the whole book. I just read areas that
I've outlined that were of interest to me when I
read it the first time, and so this is a

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refresher for me too.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
But then he then he has existential moments occasionally when
he reads the notes and he's like, where did this
guy go?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I was reading some of the notes before you
came on, and that I have in here, and I'm like, wow, dude,
that guy's That guy is pretty far out. That guy
knows some stuff. I'm like, oh wait a minute, that
was me. That's bizarre. But here it says it says, uh,
the magized art is therefore based on a science far
deeper and more exact than modern physical science has yet

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dreamed of, and back of it lies a philosophy as
boundless as the universe, as inexhaustible as time, and as
beneficent as the Father of Heaven. All human progress runs
in cycles. Modern materialistic science is having its brief day
and must gradually take its rightful place. True philosophy has

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already undermined its foundation. The New Age will initiate a
genuine revival of spiritual philosophy and an exact science of life.
There is in nature one most potent force, by means
of which a single person, knowing how to direct it,
could revolutionize and change the whole face of the world.

(07:45):
It is a universal agent whose supreme law is equilibrium,
and when controlled by science, it will be possible to
send a thought in an instant around the world. Thought
creates a vibration, the sound of a trumpet. Vibration destroyed
the walls of Jericho. There is a life principle, a
universal agent, wherein are two natures and a double current

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of love and wrath. This ambient fluid pervades everything. It
is the body of the Holy Spirit, the universal agent,
the serpent devouring its tail, symbol at once of continued
youth and immortality of the soul plus unlimited power. The
initiate alchemists were fully informed of this electromagnetic ether, this

(08:33):
vital and luminous caloric force, developable, uh, developable to a
degree by everyone. Yeah, when I was when I was
studying at the Taoist Institute of Los Angeles, and I
wish I had continued studying there. You know, I allowed

(08:54):
my life to get too busy, and well, actually I
ended up moving, you know, partially to tech. And that's
kind of what what what took me out of my
studies there. But they they they got into a lot
of this idea of of the electromagnetic ether and and

(09:14):
this this luminous caloric force, this developable to a degree
by by all of us. And I have written here
on a side note. Energy actual physical energy is the
effect of the cause of the source of creation itself
or the cosmic mind, the collective unconsciousness. And we'll get

(09:36):
into some of that, and we dive into the the
Acasic record books. But the it is interesting that that
in a deep meditated state, there is there is a
change and in the frequency and the vibration that that

(09:56):
we feel internally, and and things do kind of it's
like watching It's like stirring up a glass of of
of of water when there's dirt on the bottom, and
you watch it get cloudy. And then if you sit
there and you let it and you if you let
it just sit there for long enough, it will resettle

(10:17):
and that dirt will end up back at the bottom
and you'll have clear, clear glass from there to the
top of pure water. And that's similar to what, you know,
what is occurring when meditation is practiced on a daily basis,
which I don't do anymore, and I should, but I'm

(10:38):
speaking from previous knowledge and and intellectual understanding. But this
can also be practiced as a living meditation. You know,
we can we can feel when our own our own
internal energy is shifting and changing due to the everyday
stresses of life and the conditions that we find ourselves

(11:02):
under and and and when we're when we're slowly relaxing
and settling ourselves, we're allowing that that great drama that's
that's playing about in our minds, you know, in in
the in the in the uh, the inner universe of

(11:24):
the mind UH. And there's a chaos that goes on there.
And I and I recognize it a lot throughout my
own days, when things are when things are stressful and
and and when I'm behind on doing stuff, when I'm
when I'm not accomplishing certain goals and all that, or
or I'm thinking about the past too much or the

(11:44):
future too much. There's just there's kind of this chaos
that's ensuing and I'm not at all in present time,
and I can feel that. You know that tension and
my my actings Tea Germanus always said that that tension
is energy going to play. This is where it doesn't belong,
where it's not needed or wanted, and simple biofeedback exercises

(12:05):
demonstrate this as well. Yeah, exactly, Samuel. In fact, I
was just at this really cool place called uh Scape Relaxation,
which has all these modern devices. It's got like an
ion negative ion pad you can lie on, and it's
got sound frequency uh treatment or therapy as it's called.

(12:27):
And uh uh those two I found. I mean, the
massage chairs were amazing, but those two man, this this
negative it's like grounding. It's uh, you know, when you're
going out without your shoes on in the grass and
you're and you're practicing the grounding uh technique that this
this pad, this this negative ion pad that you lie on,
does the does the same thing, or is based on

(12:49):
the same principle. And man, I mean within within like
I'd say less than a minute maximum, within three minutes,
one to three minutes, I was in such a deeply
meditated state. It was like halfway between being asleep and
awake and just so unbelievably relaxed, and so much tension,

(13:09):
mental tension was was evaporated. I mean, it was mind blowing.
I want to buy one of these things and have
it here. I'll never get off of it. But but
that's you know, that's that's that's I think what is
being touched on here is that, uh, the the electromagnetic
ether this this this force that that permeates the entirety

(13:29):
of the universe. We have we are already connected to it,
whether whether we want to be or not. And that
the the mental plane is, you know, is is trapped
within that kind of etheric electromagnetic field. You know, the
brain uh from from in In this respect, the brain

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wouldn't necessarily be the mechanism that the mind exists in.
It would be more of of the the the kind
of the internal workings of the computer that would allow
the spirit and the mind to operate the body. Because
there are there are people who have had been in

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kind of states of coma or other types of medical
situations where for all intents and purposes, the brain was
no longer functioning. But when, but miraculously, when they returned
back into their bodies from whichever wherever they were were

(14:33):
that they were completely aware of everything that was going on.
And many have stated that they that they were outside
of the body being able to perceive themselves in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
And that's near death experiences as well. So that those
those many, many experiences that have been recorded out there
by people certainly would indicate that there is there is
a a psychological field that that exists the outside of
the body and outside of the meat the meat pack

(15:06):
we call a brain. You know what I'm saying, Rick,
I mean, I'm sure that you've got delved into stuff
like that yourself at times. There is Yeah, you were
in the bathroom, I know it.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I was no behind the scene stuff and putting out
all the promos and stuff. And when I try to
come back, the system said no, But yeah, no, I
mean this is just the whole just this whole concept
just is astounding to me because we get so hung
up on all the physical and then at some point
we start realizing physicality can't be all there is. Because
even I've said this a couple of these different episodes.

(15:45):
You know, even science says matter can neither be created
nor destroyed. So when when this is gone, there's still
there's still more to remain. So the idea of this
divine spark or this energy that is surrounded by you know,
this meat suit and as you just said, this meat
pack we call our brain. It I get astounded by it.

(16:07):
I'll be completely honest. It's hard to think about because
we are so in, we're so ingrained, and this is
all there is totally, and it takes a lot to
try to move away from that. So yeah, I just
I don't know. I'm just I'm still trying to wrap
my own meat pack around all of this myself.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah, me too, brother, me too. Man. It's a
you know, I'm trying to I'm trying to consider life
as sort of a like a living prayer, you know,
like a like a living meditation. When I was walking
my dog earlier reminded me of seeing these Buddhists who
do this this walking bell meditation where they take these

(16:48):
very slow, slow steps and when they finish the step,
they ring the bell and then they take this other
really really really slow step and they ring the bell.
And uh. And I was reminded of that, you know,
because I tried that when I was studying at the
Daoist Institute. And it's not something you really do, unfortunately

(17:09):
in this day and age, in public, because people be like,
who's the crazy slow walking ringing bell guy, you know,
going around the neighborhood again, you know, but you do
need some distance to practice this particular meditation, and and
I I was reminded of the effect of it, and
I kind of slowed my walk down, even though I
had to keep up with Theodore, my beautiful Corgi. Even

(17:34):
though I had to keep up with him, I was like,
let me just even just for a moment, let me
just slow down and remind myself of that experience of
like of not being in a rush to do anything.
Don't even be in a rush to walk with the dog, Like,
don't be in a hurry to get back home, just
you know, let the dog walk me. You know, it's
it's a a hello there, trt tierk. We'll say tear

(18:00):
tape welcome everyone. And Samuel says, I haven't been a
practicing pagan in years, but I have experienced many of
these things in my younger days. Astral projection, energy, missile
have been transfer, et cetera. Manipulation. Yeah, that's that's that's rad.
I don't know if you I'm sure that you're aware
that you know, the pagan just means country folk. But
but uh it, but I dig what you're saying, uh

(18:25):
that uh that there is uh these the practice. I
would say it's probably like what the the the cathari
were practicing, or the ancient druids of of of of
times hence past. So I'm gonna dive in because I
said that, I'm gonna try and nail some of this
stuff too, and says, okay. So the Bible, with all
the allegories it contains, expresses and a veiled and incomplete manner.

(18:49):
Only the religious science of the Hebrews, the doctrines of
Moses and the prophets, identical at bottom with that of
the ancient Egyptians, also had its outer meaning and its
mysteries hidden behind a veil, and they were written in
symbols unintelligible to the profane. The true secret and traditional
philosophy was only written afterward, under a veil, still less transparent.

(19:11):
Thus was a second Bible born, unknown to or rather
uncomprehended by the Christians of later times. A collection, they say,
of monstrous absurdities, a monument initiates, say wherein it is
to be found everything that the genius of philosophy and
of religion has ever formed or imagined. Of the sublime,
a treasure surrounded by thorns, a diamond concealed in a

(19:33):
rough dark stone. The Kabbalah then consecrates the alliance of
the universal reason and divine Word. It establishes, by the
counterpoise of two forces apparently opposite, the eternal balance of being.
It reconciles reason with faith, and power with liberty, science
with mystery. It has the keys of the present, past

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and future, the necessary union of ideas and signs. The
trinity of words, letters and numbers ers in twenty two letters,
a triangle, a square, and a circle. These are the
elements of the Kabbalah. These are the elementary principles of
the written word, reflection of the spoken word, which created
the world. Life may be represented by a triangle at

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the apex of which is God. Of this triangle, the
two sides are formed by two streams, the one flowing outward,
the other upward. The base may be taken to represent
the material plane. Real knowledge, or the growth of wisdom
in man is an eternal becoming, a progressive transformation of
the crude and material into the likeness of the supreme

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goodness and supreme power. And we've talked about that in
a in a lot of these episodes. Is that that
transformation of the of of the base nature of of ourselves,
that kind of that what we call kind of the
animalistic nature, and that the transmutation of that into into

(20:57):
some kind of higher form of of experience. And you know,
it's it's like being reactive versus responsive. Uh. The reaction
is is generally speaking, can be the wrong the wrong
behavior or the or the wrong comment to make. After

(21:18):
after somebody says something or does something or whatever, we
react and and uh and and and and there's you know, uh,
it's it's this, it's this idea that when we're when
we're living. I was just thinking about this earlier. It's
and and I talk about it quite a bit in
this particular book here UH creating a character for the

(21:39):
Stage of Life, which is based on the New Era
acting technique which I was taught by Mono Tupo at
the American Repertory Company, which I studied with him for
about fifteen years before he passed away. And UH, and
his whole point was was to recognize that who we
think we are is, for all intents and purposes, is

(22:01):
a mock up of of a of an identity that
we've become accustomed to or that you know that that
we become used to. And it's based on a whole
series of experiences and learned behavior and and all of
the stuff that's going on throughout our entire lives. I've
talked about it in enough episodes. I don't want to
get too deep in the weeds on it, but that

(22:23):
that even recognizing that that all of that is just
a programmed identity, it's it's uh, it's a personality complex
that is that's not necessarily organic or real, but because
we feel like we are who we are, all of
it suddenly becomes super real to us, and we latch

(22:43):
onto this character or this identity that we've created for ourselves,
and and and we will not let it go. We
we will fight to our death to prove that we
are who we think we are. And and but whereas
in the kind of the Buddhistic traditions, that's it's the
exact opposite. In that philosophy, it's like, no, you're nothing,

(23:03):
You're nowhere, You're no one, there's no time, you know
that all of this is just experience and and the
letting go of the necessity to have to always be
this person that we think we are, all this stuff
we have to hang on to in order to prove
that this that this is that that this that this
person is important and exists and is real. And we

(23:25):
got to go out there into the into the into
the physical universe, and we have to have people you know,
agree with us or recognize us or hear us or
whatever you know, acknowledge us. And uh and and there
it says, yeah, the ageal question to find the true self,
you know, but it's not in it's not in the looking,
it's in the letting go, it's not in the in
in in trying to find out who we really are.

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It's in letting go of the whole entire idea of
wanting to even know who we are, that we find
the true self, you know. That's that that's kind of
the great mystery. And uh and if if if you
are into transcendental meditation, like like the Gentleman said earlier,
the you know that that process isn't a great letting go.

(24:11):
And there's such a huge relief to know that that
that I don't matter, you know that that that that
this whole idea of myself on my whole career, what
accomplishments I've made, what accomplishments I haven't made, the things
I've done wrong, the things I've done right. Uh, you know,

(24:32):
all of this, this whole machination of of of thoughts
and ideas. When I remind myself at the end of
the day that none of that really matters, you know. Uh,
We're all going to meet our maker at some point,
We're all going to cross the river sticks and and
when that happens, there has to be a great letting go.

(24:54):
You know. In the Masonic initiation, that's part of the
whole process of the of the three degrees of an initiation,
especially in the third degree is this this dying of
the old self in order to be born and new. Uh.
And that doesn't mean that that that the new the
new identity, or the or the new character, uh, is

(25:16):
anything more than just a vibrational field that exists in
a body that's experiencing life and witnessing time pass. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
No, I mean, it's just again, this goes back to
one of the things that I've been struggling with because,
especially people of my faith, we always live our entire
life like we have some sort of major calling and
we just have to figure out what it is, like
there's some be all and end all reason that we're
here and coming to terms with kind of the opposite

(25:50):
of you know, the reason why we're here is because
we're basically the seeing eye dogs of the universe. Because
the universe, the universe needs to know and understand itself,
and that's the real reason why we're here. It kind
of it's kind of the opposite of everything where we're taught,
which I think is part of where this whole identity
crisis comes from, because we are taught that we matter

(26:13):
so much when in the grand scheme of things, we
really kind of don't. I mean, think about it from
another perspective. We hear this all the time from the
climate change folks, and I'm not trying to downplay them
because I'm not going to get into that argument won't
war the other. But it's always you know, we're destroying
the planet. That's not entirely true. The planet is still
going to be here. There will be life on this planet.
It just may not involve us anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
So, yeah, we're more destroying ourselves than anything else.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
When you come to terms with that, realize that in reality,
what you're doing is destroying yourself, it also makes you
realize how small you actually are, because, I mean, Mars
is still a planet. We're now discovering that there may
be microbes on Mars, and there's possibly water on Mars,
and there's all these things that, but Mars is still
a planet and it still exists. So the idea that

(26:59):
we're destroying something, no, we may be changing the face
of it, and we may not always do that in
the best ways. But part of that, again is because
people have bought into this whole idea of I matter
and I have to leave a mark on the world.
So people know, I was.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Here totally one the in the chat room there, Samuel
was talking about Timothy Leary. Uh. I actually, he's he's
he's he was godfather to one of my best friends
growing up, Baltha Zarghetti, and uh at a at a
party at at Balt's family's house. He was there and

(27:34):
I got to hang out have a couple of drinks
with him, and I was I was profoundly shocked that
he really had zero interest in talking about any of
these kind of things we're talking about right now. It
was a trip he really did he had. I mean,
I think he was just burnt out on it at
that point, you know, and he had already been through
it all. He's like, dude, I don't want to talk

(27:54):
about any of that, you know. And but it was interesting,
which I tried. I tried to force the conversation longer
than he wanted. But but uh, but yes, as I
and then let's see, Michael says, I think each of
us has an imposterself that came to us as children
to protect us. Yeah, you know, it's there's there is

(28:17):
some interesting ideas that that I don't want to get
two in the weeds on it, but you know about
this these these this concept that there are these angelic beings, uh,
you know as well as these these demonic beings and
they exist in these parallel dimensions, and that they have
these you know, a force on us. What you know,

(28:38):
and we and we can you know, we can state
we can give into these demonic forces and in a
heightened state, we can be supported by the angelic forces.
And and that our doppel ganger is this ego centric
idea of self, that is is is supported by the
demonic forces, and that is the cause of all of

(29:01):
our troubles in life. And uh, but but whether it's angelic, demonic,
or anything else, to me, it doesn't really matter because
once once I can recognize in myself that my personality
is is nothing but is nothing but a totally created thing,
and and I can disagree with it one hundred percent,

(29:24):
then I'm out of that ego based, egocentric you know
personality that that that can that is the cause of
all of my woes in the past and potentially in
the future. Uh. To unlearn easier said than done for
a lot of people. Has exactly uh, Cindy or sicily,
Uh sorry, my glasses only work this close. When it

(29:46):
gets that far, they start to not work anymore. But
but but jumping on it says, It says the word
of power that reached beyond their vision and change the
mental condition that produced the disease was too much for
their comprehension. Disease does not enter in any manner from without.
That which is external simply awakens that which is already

(30:06):
within us. Disease is not an entity. It is simply
a depolarization that cites and sounds lure the imagination into activity,
I claim, And in this faculty of the mind, depolarization
of the spirit's action takes place, which causes a sudden
condensation of spirit in some parts of the system, to
the damage of other parts less destitute. Thus the system

(30:30):
is all thrown out of harmony because the normal action
of spirit is disturbed. Polarize the system, establish equilibrium and
cure quickly results. And a cure quickly results. Belief being
the fundamental principle of power and man being more physical
than mental. The Magi used charms, ambulance, and talismans to
inspire the belief of the ignorant and material and produced

(30:54):
many cures. And that goes I wrote in here on
the side just psychosomatic illness, you know, I do. I
do certainly believe that that being spiritually fit helps physical
ailments to heal. But I'm not of the mind that

(31:15):
just because I might be spiritually sick, that is the
cause of say a parasitic infection, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, you know, there there has to be a
balance here where you know, if you if you've been
stung by a bee and you have cellulitis and the
swelling and discoloration of the skin is getting so extreme,

(31:38):
uh that you know, but you're like, hey, man, spiritually
I will heal this. And by the next day, you know,
your whole leg is swollen up and you have to
be rushed to the emergency room. It probably would have
been more responsible to just go to the emergency room
the day before, right, So you know.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Don't call me out on the show. Don't call me
out of I avoid it if I can't.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I don't dig the doctor either, and I'm I'm
I'm much like you, but I certainly am not you know,
someone who's more like the christ scientist thing where it's like,
you know, healing hands will get rid of of all things.
I mean, you know, uh, that there are certain ailments
that must be dealt with, you know, by modern science

(32:26):
in a trustworthy fashion. I'm also certainly aware that that
that modern science is a cause of many ailments as
much as it is a.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Fit wi as it is. But yeah, it's it's sometimes
it's the cause.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Mm hmm. Yeah. It does sound like an asidtrip, is it?
What does Samuel says that I know we've touched on
the idea on TwixT Michigan I make and I'll reiterate
that you're always welcome to come back on. Let me
move my cursor on sit V, on s I t
V whenever you want. Yes, thank you so much, and
I appreciate that, and I'm sure that I will. So

(33:04):
it goes on here. It says all action is dual, direct,
and reflex. If material substances act on and create mental conditions,
then mental conditions act on and create material things. The
impure disease imagination finding in the physical organism soil suitable
for the purpose, impregnates it and generates basilie or bacteria. Right,

(33:29):
the bacteriologist with his microscope discovers basilie and assumes that
they are self created or produced by material chemical actions
on the physical atoms. There is no motion of muscle
tendon ligament that is not started first by mental action
and will through not by the brain. Mental unclean uncleanliness

(33:53):
is apt to generate bodily uncleanliness, and then the basilis
is a logical sequence. I mean, you know, I get
what he's saying here. But again, if if if you
eat support, they didn't exactly cooked through, you know what
I'm saying, that's not going to matter. Just how uh

(34:14):
you know what you were thinking about the night before? Uh,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
It sounds like a long from a Christmas What was
what was the the book with Scrooge in it? What
was it a Christmas? No remember the actual name of it.
But he's like, I think you're.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
An undone bit of a Christmas Carol.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
The part where he was talking to the ghost. He's like,
I'm pretty sure you're an undone bit of potato. Yeah,
that's not how that works. So it goes on.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
It says the ancient mysteries of which the Secret Doctrine
was an integral part, was the universally diffused religion of
the ancient world, and may be said to have been
the directive force until the time of Constantine, the turning
period in the world's history. Here we began the throttling
of the old religious philosophies and fai favor of the
newly fabricated one, making use of the old to build

(35:03):
the new, and condemning all who continue to hold to
the old. Three specific fundamental positions underlie the secret doctrine
of the ancient mysteries. One an omnipresent, eternal, boundless and
immutable principle on which all speculation is possible, since it
transcends the power of human conception and could only be
dwarfed by any human expression or similitude. This infinite and

(35:27):
eternal cause unconsciousness and anable spirit, or consciousness and matter
are to be regarded not as independent realities, but as
the two facets or aspects of the absolute, which constitutes
the basis of conditional being, whether subjective or objective. Two.
The second, the eternity of the universe in Toto as

(35:50):
a boundless plane, periodically the playground of numberless universes, incessantly
manifesting and disappearing. The eternity of the pill. The monad
or self and man is like a wink of the
eye of self existence. And three, the fundamental identity of
all souls with the universal over soul or cosmic soul,

(36:11):
this being itself an aspect of the unknown, and the
obligatory pilgrimage of every soul through cycle of incarnation in
accordance with the cyclic and karmic law during the whole term.
The pivotal doctrine of the Eastern philosophy admits no privileges
or specific gifts to man, save those one by his

(36:32):
own soul by personal effort and merit through a long
series of development and possibly many incarnations. Souls are reincarnated
many times, but not the person, which implies the body.
The body returns to the dust from whence it came, So,
it says. The three specific fundamental propositions underlie the secret

(36:54):
doctrine of the Ancient mysteries. One an omnipresent eternal battles
and immutable principle. Two the eternity of the universe in
toto as boundless as a boundless plane periodically the pay
ground of numberless universes incessantly manifesting and disappearing. And three
the fundamental identity of all souls with the universal over
soul or cosmic soul, this being itself an aspect of

(37:17):
the unknown and the obligatory pilgrimage of every soul. So
it's uh, you know, basically, the saying that that you
know that there has to be a truth, that there
is an omnipresent, eternal and boundless and immutable principle UH
in the universe, and that the eternity of the universe
is factual, that it just goes on and on and
on revolves around itself into eternity and UH. And then

(37:42):
the then the the fact that we ourselves, as individual
souls are part and parcel to the universal over soul
or the cosmic soul, and and that through a cycle
of incarnation, we will hopefully eventually come to know ourselves
as being a fundamental part or or an aspect or

(38:06):
a projection of that over soul, which to me is
really rad You know what what Rick was just saying
a moment ago that you know, what if the the
only point for all of the physical universe and and
our and our conscious existence is simply so that the
universe can be consciously aware of itself through us and

(38:29):
if that's the entire point of the whole entire existence
of the universe and us in conjunction with it, that
that that a a hyper conscious individual who can who
can look into the universe and recognize themselves in it
and the universe within them, then the cycle is complete.

(38:51):
Then everything else that's going on around us is just
one great big drama, you know. And all of these
you know, because because somebody who's living on that on
that plane of consciousness, they can they cannot break a
law because they're already living by a cosmic law that
wouldn't allow them to you know, steal from somebody, or
to harm somebody, or to you know, harm nature in

(39:15):
such a way that it would not be able to recover,
or and so on. You know, And because if we
look at nature in and of itself, nature, as beautiful
as it is, if you really look at it, it
is a it is a kind of of a chaos.
It is wild, it is it is untamed. You know,
there's wolves out there hunting cute little bunnies and ravaging

(39:39):
them and ripping them apart and eating them. You know
what I'm saying. There's you know, and then there's the
bear that will gently eat a berry. But but god forbid,
you're a salmon, you know, or whatever I mean, it's
there's there. There are certain species of monkey that hate
other species of monkey, and they will fight to the
death against each other. There is hyenas that will eat

(40:02):
the hell out of a gazelle. There's like, you know,
it's a wild savage you know, reality, But it finds
a balance. There's a balance to it all. But when
when I when I'm when I'm reading subject matter like
this and I'm contemplating what Rick was mentioning earlier about
the whole point of it all is is that recognition

(40:24):
that you know that that we're that we're all one here,
then you know, then that's it's the same type of
balance that nature eventually finds. If we leave it alone,
you know, one species won't won't overpopulate because there's a
balance to all of nature. That is that that you

(40:44):
cannot unless man intervenes and changes it or alters it.
It's like when we go out and we hunt all
of the wolves and we get rid of all of
this the animals that that that hunt the deers, there's
a deer or there's an overpopulation of deer, and when
there's an overpopulation of deer, generally speaking, they end up
with certain ailments and certain problems. And you know, then

(41:07):
there's that you know that they eat they don't have
enough to uh you know, there there's they eat all
of the all of their you know. I mean, I'm
sure that they wouldn't run out of stuff to eat necessarily,
but they do find that there's that it becomes chaos
for the deers, is all I'm saying. You know, thankfully
there's deer hunting season and we get to we get
to call the herd, so to speak. But but my my,

(41:29):
my point is is really just that, uh that it's
when we when we find that absolute balance within ourselves,
then we've found the balance to to the whole experience.
And I think that's pretty rad, you know. Uh So,
it says, into the soul of the individual is breed
the spirit of God, divine, pure and without blemish. Read

(41:51):
that again, into the soul of the individual is breathed
the spirit of God, divine, pure and without blemish. It
is heart of God. And the individual has in his
earth life to nourish that spirit and feed it as
a flame with oil. When you put oil into a lamp,
the essence passes into and becomes flame. So is it

(42:14):
with the spirit of Him who nourishes the soul. It
grows gradually pure and becomes the soul. When a soul
has once become regenerated, it returns to a body only
at its own free will, as a redeemer or messenger
of light to those not yet regenerated, or become one
with the hierarchies. Such a one may regain in the

(42:37):
flesh the memory of the past. Every soul must work
out its own salvation. In the early Church, as in
the Secret Doctrine, there was not one Christ for the
whole world, but a potential Cristos in every man. The
theologians first made a fetish of the impersonal, omnipresent divinity,
and then tore Cristos from the hearts of all humanity

(42:59):
in order to deify a personality that they might have
a god man peculiarly their own. And I think that
goes into uh anybody's uh uh familiar with Mythraism, You
know that that the cult of Mythrus, the sun God,
the dying and resurrecting Sun God, that was that really

(43:20):
came out of Persia, but was adopted by the Romans.
A lot of the traditions and even holidays associated with that,
with with that ancient tradition, Christianity was kind of overlaid
on that when they adopted Christianity as as as the
state religion of ancient Rome. And and so what you know,

(43:41):
what was what was Christianity? How was it practiced before
it was adopted as a state religion versus after? You know,
And there's that's a whole can of worms that that
you can open up and uh and and see that
that there was that there was definitely a difference in
in the the practice of that religion before and after

(44:04):
the Nicenian Council. But but I love this one line
right here into the soul of the individual is breathe
the Spirit of God, Divine, pure and without blemish. And
that's kind of like, you know, the whole point of
what we've been talking about almost this whole book is
that you know, inside of every single one of us
is you know, is that that kind of infant self

(44:26):
with that that's untouched by all of our experiences, by
all the negative things that have that that we've experienced
in this life. Or the behaviors that we've uh that
that that we've that that we've acted out on that
we regret or I mean, I would assume that pretty

(44:46):
much all of us have said or done something in
our lifetime that we wish we could take back. But
maybe I'm the only one you know, but I have.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
If I about the list, it would would be here
told next week.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
So but see, but that that that right there is
the beauty of of this, of this idea versus this
unchanging concept of human nature that you can't change a person,
or that a person can't evolve from who they who
they've been programmed to become or to be, you know,

(45:24):
by their experiences and and if you if you can't
even disagree with with with who you think you are
and say no, I can be better than that. I
can overcome you know, my my, uh, my difficulties and
uh that those those character traits that I don't like
about myself, I can overcome those and I can allow

(45:45):
myself to be a better person. You know that that
right there is like to me, that's like the first
step on the greatest journey that you know that that
I have ahead of me is just knowing that, you know,
like you said earlier, change is the only constant. If
I life is going to change all around me, my
body is going to change, things are going to change.

(46:07):
If I'm not attempting to at least change with it
in a positive direction, then then I'm no better than
the beasts of the field. And that's you know, maybe
that's just where I'm supposed to lie, you know, but
I'd rather I would rather have you know, I would rather,

(46:28):
at least in whatever incremental fashion, I can accomplish some
bit of change, you know, as I grow and as
I get into my dotage, I'd rather lay on my
deathbed in my final hours and be able to think
back on my life and go, man, at least I

(46:48):
tried my damnedest to get to some place, you know,
better internally, you know, there was I can't remember if
I was reading it or if I was just thinking
it earlier, but it was just that that very idea

(47:09):
that that if if I'm not trying at least to
be be a better person, oh that's what it was.
It was, uh, you know, the greatest accomplishment that you
know that maybe I read it in one of my
side notes earlier when I was going through this book,
but it's I wish I could find it because it

(47:32):
was so it was so clear, uh, clearly stated. But
it's you know, you can accomplish all kinds of things
in life, and you can have all of this, uh uh,
you know, all of this collection of stuff, you know,
the house, the car, the you know, the big bank account,
all of this, all of this physical stuff, but it's

(47:56):
not nearly as important as is as if you've accomplish
being a good person, you know, if you've accomplished being
kind and generous and thoughtful.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
And And to me, yeah, it happening into the principle
of eternal progression totally, Jim. And and that's like that
that to me is the greatest accomplishment ever. My son,
you know, currently he's studying with a Vietnamese Buddhist monk
and he was that's really what what he that's the
path that he wants to take. And uh and I'm like,

(48:29):
I'm all stoked for him, and I'm and I'm and
I'm kind of trapped because you know, I'm like, you know,
in this physical world that we're in right now, you
kind of also need to make a little money. You
know what I'm saying, because because because.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
As time has gone on, granted, you know he's getting
he's getting of age, but you know, he'll before before
he started working the job he's working now, he was
kind of in between jobs and and yeah, he was
going to the doing his Buddhist meditations and and his
cool stuff and reading all his books, you know, which
I applaud him for.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
But eventually the phone ring can be like, hey, Dad
can float me a couple of bucks. And I have
no problem doing that, of course, but it just goes
to prove that this physical universe is going to force
you to have to play its game one way or another,
you know, or you'll be like the Indian fakirs and

(49:25):
you'll be living on the street, you know, begging for
money saying this is this is my karma. And in
order for me to get you know, to raise you know,
my karmak state, I have to live this way. That's
a choice. That's a personal choice. You can make that
choice and say that's your karma. But I think that
you're deciding that rather than it being decided for you.

(49:49):
You know. But so you know, I've just been stressing that, Yeah,
I want to see him do that too, but just
currently to find that, like I need to find, like
I think we all need to find, is that balance
between the two worlds, the metaphysical and the physical, and
finding that that equilibrium, you know, where we're vibing a

(50:14):
in a positive way that allows us to still enjoy
the hard times as much as we enjoy the good times,
you know.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, no, I mean, seriously, we've talked about that before.
In all things that have to be balanced it because
without balance, you don't have anything. I mean, think about it.
Think about it from another perspective. When you're riding a bike,
you lean too far one way or the other, you're
going to fall over. Balance totally essential. It doesn't matter
whether it's the physicality, whether it's the spiritual. You have

(50:48):
to find a balance between the two. And I think
it is a valid point that you brought up that
you know, even if you are somebody who's trying to
find your way into the more metaphysical realm of things,
you still have to dwell in the physical universe for
as long as you're trapped in the shell, So you
still have to figure out how to play by the
universe's rules.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, Dennis gets me. He too, He's talking a similar
experience that I was just talking about. That's cool, real quick.
I know we only got like nine and eight minutes
and change left, but uh, let me look, I'm gonna
end up doing the same thing I told you. We
just dude, there's so much juiciness in this book we have.

(51:28):
You know, there's so much juice in here, man, But
I mean especially there's a whole section.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Would like I would like to point out that I
called this at the beginning of the episode, Ladies.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I know you did. Uh. So it says here a
personal absolute exists, not except in potency. God does not think,
but is the cause of thought. God does not love,
he is love in the perfect or absolute sense. And
so with all the divine attributes, God is thus the
concealed logos, the causeless cause. God never manifests himself to

(52:03):
be seen of men, accept symbolically in the form of
light or fire. Creation is his manifestation. And as creation
is not complete and never will be, and as it
never had a beginning, as such, there is a concealed
or unrevealed potency back of and beyond all creation, which
is still God. All men are brothers, by right of

(52:25):
being born of woman and through the same first cause,
and by all the laws of nature and the very
being of God. But as long as religion defines heresy
as a crime or imagines a God with human attributes,
man's inhumanity to man will continue to make countless millions
moren and find vent for all evil propassions justified by

(52:47):
their ideas of God. You know, I mean just that
first part right there. Man, We're not going to even
get past this in the in the next few minutes.
But it's a personal absolute. A personal absolute exists not
except in potency. God does not think, but is the
cause of thought. I mean that right there? Is that

(53:09):
that that's going to get into the acotic record and stuff,
you know. And a personal absolute exists not except in potency.
And what that means to me is that that I
can't Now, I can't be the absolute end all be
all of all things. That's a that's an egocentric uh

(53:31):
condition of thinking. But the potency of of of a
personal absolute, meaning that that the sensation or the feeling
of being individual. But but an individual what and an
individual radiating part of the divine? You know? So, But

(53:55):
but God does not think, but is the cause of thoughts,
so that the idea that we're even thinking or have
the potential of higher thought is divine. You know. It's
it's pretty rad to to take, to take that kind
of a position that because then it wipes the slate clean.

(54:18):
You don't have to be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Zerostream, Buddhist,
this that the other all of them can be right
in their own ways about whatever it is, you know.
But but but taking away all the dogma and having
that personal connection with the absolute and just being a

(54:39):
pure radiating pinpoint of light that's emanating from that source,
and just feeling that vibe, that's kind of what it's
all about. You know. I'm not saying that I have
that experience every day. Intellectually I get it, and every
now and then I feel it, you know. But but
what would that be like if it was felt all

(55:01):
the time, all day long, all night long, you know,
that would be really rad And was that a condition
that that humankind was that potentially if if unless you're
into the whole Darwinian thing, you know, I feel like
we've had a devolution, uh with with the human race,
not not an evolution. I feel like at some point

(55:22):
in in in our distant past, we were far more
highly evolved than we are today, and that there was
some type of fall and now we're trying to climb
back up to that. That's my personal, you know, idea
of it all. Not saying I'm right or wrong, that's
just my personal thoughts on the subject. But that but
that that in striving to to you know, to be

(55:46):
a better a better person, that that that that experience
will resonate in such a way that we can that
we can we can then make other people's lives better.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Not only our own.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I mean, is that making any sense?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
No? I mean, honestly, That's been one of my striving
things that I've been trying to teach from the second
I started doing all this. Start by making sure you're
okay first, and then start working out from your family,
and then start in your corner of the world, and
just do what you can to make it is the
best that you can make it. Because if we all
did that, nobody we knew would have problems ever and

(56:25):
if they would have help totally. But we're all so
busy focusing on, you know, how to get exactly where
we think we need to be that. We don't realize that.
You know, the whole point is to bring everybody with
you when you get.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
There, yeah yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, and then then
at least at least to be in a kind of
a blind acceptance of you know, of those who could
care less about all of this, and you know, not
not force feed anything on anyone, because then that in
and of itself would be egoistic, you know, to try

(56:58):
and say this is this is the truth, this is
the way, this is how it is. I can't. I can't.
I certainly can't say that. I might buy that, think that,
feel that, and and write about that, but it doesn't
necessarily mean that it's true. And and and therein lies
kind of the therein lies the rub, you know, you know,

(57:19):
is it's like a Pandora's box. You know, it's like
a Schrodinger's cat. Is there a cat in the box?
We won't know until we open it, but you know
that the theory is there's a cat in the box,
but I can't prove it. And and then who's to
say I can even open the box. If I can't
open the box, if it's if it's physically impossible to

(57:39):
If there's no possible way to open it, then I
can never prove that there's a cat in the box,
you know, I can only I can only assume it
and tell others that there's a cat in the box,
and then it's up to them to, you know, to
believe it. But but that's that's kind of what the
you know, this whole conundrum is is that it really
can't be proved unless somebody experiences the the the the

(58:02):
philosophy of fire within themselves, the spark of divine light
heating them themselves up from the inside. Real quick, let
me just ask the folks out there who are in
the chat, I mean, you know, just give me, just
give me a yes or no if I should continue
with the philosophy of fire next Sunday or move on

(58:24):
to the Acacak record. Just yes, for I should continue
with it and try and finish this up. Or no,
let's go on to uh the Acacak record. There's the
first three folks that say yes or no, and I'll
take those as as as the indicator, or or nothing
at all. Yes, okay, oh, yes, okay, okay, cool, Katzo's here,

(58:48):
wonderful there's always a cat in the box. Ah, Yeah,
that's true. All right, I'm gonna go with Robert Ben.
We're gonna go with a Yes, Robert Benn has decided
for us, So it's not my decision. Rick, I don't
decide to time. But I'm glad because it gets into
some Jude. There's such cool stuff, and then we're gonna
get into Atlantis in here and and ancient Egypt and
all kinds of cool stuff. So we'll just keep having

(59:12):
fun with this book and by the end of the
year we'll finish it.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Yeah. Actually, more than more than one person has chimed
up and chimed in and said that we should continue
with it. So I'm cool with that. I will say that.
I will say doctor SEUs answered the question about the
cat in the box a long time ago. It's a
cat and a hat, not a box.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Mm. And on that note, the music begins. Hey, thanks
everybody for tuning in, and I really appreciate you guys.
And yes, that is true. The cast records are tempting,
and we will dive into them. They're there. It's there
are some great books. You guys are gonna love those. Uh,
So we'll we'll catch up next Sunday. And thank you

(59:54):
Kayla and Radio for hosting this show. It's very cool
of you. Rick Robinson, you are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
All right, folks. Hang out for Lost Wander Up next
for those that are so inclined. That will be our
closing act for the evening because Alae is off due
to technical issues. But if you're if you would like to,
you can hang out for that one and we'll see
you guys next week.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
M