Corin's Reading Room Episode 5 -- The Philosophy of Fire Pt 2

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into Korn's reading room. The man who needs no introduction,
but he's getting one anyway. Mister Korn Nimick, host of
Korn's Reading Room right here on Kalor and Radio.

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What's up, my man? Thank you so much. Your introductions
are the best and I appreciate it. And welcome to
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Speaker 1 (03:44):
Doing all right? My man?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Do so?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, it looks like we both decided today was a
had day.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, yes, today is officially hat Sunday.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, in my defense, I usually wear one anytime I'm
on because I have a huge forehead and there's Claire,
so that's alway.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
You know, we can bring you around we're filming a
movie and use you as a bounce.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Hey, as long as it gets me on the movie set,
I'm down.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
There we go. I love it, man, I love it.
Welcome everybody. Oh, that's a good coffee. The You know,
we're still on the same book as last week. The
Philosophy of Fire by our Swinburne Climber, who was Rosie Krushian.

(04:28):
And if anybody is unfamiliar with Rosi Crucianism, you're more
than welcome to google it. There's lots of interesting information
out out there about it. It's quite the rabbit hole.
But uh, the Rosi Crushions are an interesting bunch. Uh.
They're really into kind of energy healing and alternative medicines
and uh and also a real interesting uh spiritual philosophy

(04:52):
that they have that that that they abide by, which
I've always found interesting. But what do you do much?
You know much about the the re recrusions written.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Only since we started down this little rabbit hole last week,
I have to admit I have been doing some more
deep diving into it. It's been an interesting little rabbit hole.
The thing is I keep finding other little side tracks
that I go down and then I come back to
the book. For those of you who are wondering, the
book is available on Amazon. You can get it for
Kindle for like two ninety nine, So if you want
to check it out, I would highly recommend that you

(05:25):
can do paperback for like twelve ninety nine. Don't do
the hardcover unless you're independently wealthy, like eight hundred bucks.
I was like, are you kidding me? Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Really eight hundred But it must be it must be
an old, an old copy of it. The copy that
I got back in the nineties was, uh, you know,
was a reprint obviously, And.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
On Amazons they're wanting like eight hundred dollars for the hardcover.
I was like, I think I'll just buy the kindle
version thing.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh, actually, I take that back. I mean I did
buy mine in the nineties, but this is a nineteen
sixty four addition, so it is it is considered vintage,
I suppose. I mean, at this point we're antiquarian.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Sadly, at this point we're considered vintage too.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes we are, Yes, we're both antiquarians. Well, so where
we left off was this chapter on that starts on
page fifteen of my copy, called the Search for Light.
And you know, I figure we'll just dive in and
do a little stop and go a little tete a
tet with each other. It starts out here, says in

(06:35):
many of its phases, recorded history simply emphasizes the bewilderment
under which the great mass of humanity has ever struggled
in its efforts to unravel the fundamental mysteries of existence.
From the very beginning of time, man has sought the
origin and reason for his existence and for the existence
of the world itself. The results have manifested themselves in

(06:58):
the various systems of all lowlosophy and religion that have
prevailed at different stages of world history. And you know,
that's that just that little opening bit that I underlined there.
And I'm not reading the whole book, by the way,
I'm just reading sections in here that I underlined. That that
that jumped out to me when I first read the book,
But uh, you know that, And and it seems like

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nowadays it's we're the weird crossroads of of people who
are just completely ignorant to this kind of a concept
of a of a a search for the you know,
the fundamental mystery of existence and video games and TikTok videos,

(07:41):
you know what I mean. It's a it's it's just
such a strange place that we're in. And it seems
to me, you know, I've been on this kind of
a quest since I was in my in my mid
late teens, and you know, I feel like not to
say that again, that I have any kind of of
real deep knowledge about all of this. This is just,

(08:06):
you know, stuff that I've been interested in, and not
that I've been a practitioner of any one type of
method of spiritual practice myself. But you know, just being
interested alone is enough, I think, to kind of change
the dynamics of our relationship with life, you know, when

(08:26):
you say.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
We're well, so, I think it's interesting that you brought
this up, because this is something that I've been struggling
with for most of this week while I've been researching
this stuff. I feel like a lot of it is
because we've been told, through modern society and everything else,
that there is nothing else. And through that and the
fact that they've done everything they can to quill any
form of critical thinking, nobody's going out and asking themselves

(08:50):
these kind of questions anymore, or if they are, well,
there's no answer because there's nothing beyond this. And I
think that's one of the reasons why we find ourselves
kind of in this this weird crossroads of people that
want to believe there's something else, people that don't want
to believe there's something else, and people that just under
no circumstances whatsoever ever want to take their head out
of the sand. And that's just kind of the weird

(09:11):
thing where we are. But again, part of it is
because of the lack of critical thinking. Nobody's even asking
is there anything else other than me? Because the focus
is I mean, think about modern society today. All the
focus is about me. What can I do that makes
me feel good? How quickly can I get my food done?
How big of a TV can I own? How many

(09:32):
TVs can I own? Why do I not have a
better car than my neighbor? Everything has shifted, so nobody's
asking these kind of questions anymore, or they words from
somebody who's just spend a lot of time in a church.
I've noticed it seems to be kind of going back
the other way, Like I've seen a lot of people
that are coming back to churches and starting to ask
these kind of questions again, even outside of organized religion.

(09:54):
And I think it's one of those things we talk
about it in politics all the time. There's a pendulum
that swings one way or the other, and eventually it
starts swinging back the other way. I think as far
as the humanist side of things and there is nothing
above us, nothing beyond us. We're here where dust. That's it.
I think the pendulum might finally being might sorry, terrible
sentence structure, might be finally starting to swing back the

(10:18):
other way, because it does appear there's been a bit
of an awakening. And again, not to tie too much
politically into this, but I think a lot of it
was some of the overreach that we saw during COVID
that started making people start asking questions again. And once
they started asking questions again, it was like a damn
broke So now instead of just asking why are they
teaching my kids this, now it's turning into what about this?

(10:38):
What about this? What about this? And I think that's
another reason why this show is being as well received
as it is, because it's in the vein of a
lot of people that feel like they're starting to wake
up and start asking these kind of questions again.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And yeah, totally, totally man. And you know the thing
about the what you just mentioned, I mean, I talk
about it and I'll do a plug for the book.
But create how to create a character for the stage
or life? Uh, you can you can find on on
you can get it on lulu dot com. That's l
U l U dot com and you just search my

(11:10):
name and you can find creating a character for the
stage of life or life. And in that I talk
a lot about, you know, like personality and and how
people become fixated on this idea of who they think
they are. And uh and I won't go too deep
down that rabbit hole, but but what what you were
talking about, this this whole idea that that what's most
important is what's important to me right here and now,

(11:33):
instead of this realization that well, maybe I am not
exactly who I think I am, Maybe I'm programmed to
be this person. Uh And and can change that programming
and entertain a whole different character for myself in life,
which can which can benefit not only myself but others
around me. You know. So, uh that that on a

(11:56):
spiritual quest, that's certainly a big factor in it, you
know what I mean. There's an interesting quote right here
from Carl Jung that he puts in here. It says
a consciousness is the voice of God and the soul.
And that right there is a really cool saying consciousness
is the voice of God and the soul. So you know,
how how aware are we? How conscious are we about

(12:17):
what's going on in our daily lives and what's happening
here and now? Certainly can resonate as as sort of
that that higher versus lower self, you know that that
that spiritual side of us versus that kind of animalistic
side of us. And it goes on to say, here

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primitive man early became conscious of some supreme power. Then
follow the development of a procedure to appease the wrath
and invoke the appeasement of the supreme being. Thus was
born primitive religion, the thousands of religions that have been
developed to avoid offending the accepted supreme being and to

(12:59):
win his favor. And that's an interesting concept too, is
this idea that we're trying to win the favor of God,
you know, uh, which which I think in a simplistic way,
is good because if we are trying to win favor
by some some kind of supreme being, some kind of

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of of entity out there that we believe in, and
we think that if we do good things, if we
act right, if we do that, then we'll benefit from that.
But I don't think that that that it's necessary to
believe that you have to appease this supreme being. I
think just being good and kind and and doing the
right thing. Uh, you know, as you see fit on

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a daily basis changes the vibration of our of our lives,
of our of our energy fields. And you know, like
attracts like. And so when our vibration is at a
higher pitch of positivity, then in kind we're going to
attract you know, the same back add ass. So I

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think in different terms, it will equal the same outcome,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh yeah, I mean I And this is something we
talked about last week, you know, and and and this
is something that again I talked to people about that
are coming to faith all the time. You know, you
need to be careful about the things that you speak
out loud. Not only do you protect the things that
run through your head, it's even more importantly that you
protect what you say out loud, because it's one thing
to hear it. It's another thing to hear it from

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out here and then have it come right back in here.
And if you're feeding negativity all the time, because let's
let's and I talked about this a little bit on
my show the other day. If you're feeding negativity all
the time, then that's what that's what your mind focuses on.
And that's where the more you think about it, the
more you talk about it, the more you technically are
meditating on it, the more likely the more likely you
are to draw more negativity towards you.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I've seen people that go through this all the time.
I mean the entire the entire story of Job in
the Bible. Even though so you know there's this whole
back and forth between God and Samuel inside that whole scenario,
it can also be said that because Job was surrounded
by all this negativity and absorbing all the negativity, that
eventually he made the situation even worse on himself until
he basically let it all go again. And I think

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that's part of what we have to learn to deal with,
because if we are willing to accept that there is
something greater than us, then we also have to understand
that because whatever that thing is, and we can argue
about that another time created us or was involved in
our creation, that we also have some of that same
energy within us, which is what he just alluded to,

(15:37):
the consciousness is actually the voice of God or the creator.
So and that I mean even the Bible says that,
you know, it talks about the still small voice, and
if you're too wrapped up in yourself, you can't hear
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, you can't hear it. Yep, it's so true. It's
great we're on this subject. So it goes on to say, here,
early man, apparently, being closer to the beginning of things,
was in a better position to probe into the ultimate
causes of existence than are the his successors and the
highly developed civilization to which evolution has brought the race.

(16:10):
Those who worshiped at the shrine of Fire did so
because to them it symbolized God in the form of
light or the flame, and was believed to be all powerful.
Fire to them represented the divine current running through the
universe and permeating all existence. Fire was not only the
symbol of deity, but also the permeation of the Deity

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throughout creation. So thoroughly did the Masters and their successors
appreciate the inability of the average individual to comprehend the
mysteries that they handed down the knowledge of these truths
only to properly qualified initiates, the initiates of the flame.
The masters of the mysteries realized that the true explanations

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were beyond the mental grasp of the masses of mankind.
For those who were not prepared to receive the great truths,
and who were unable to grasp the fundamentals of existence
and abstract form, the Master Initiates invented symbols and ceremonies.
The significance of the symbols devised by the Initiates is
simply that of physical, concrete representations of abstract truths. A

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philosophy of great truths represented by certain symbols. A sign
has no power in itself, but is merely a reminder
of the power of the great truth it represents. And yeah,
I think that the you know that, I think we
all can kind of uh get that the the idea
that that the sun or light, or a flame, an

(17:37):
eternal flame or fire itself could represent you know, what
we feel internally when we're inspired, when we feel that
spiritual energy uh welling up inside of us. It does
feel like a warm, energetic, you know flame in in
in that in that context, and also when you think

(17:59):
back in in in history, uh in the in the
dawn of mankind having fire, you know that you could
certainly say that there were these, you know, locations where
they had these so called eternal flames. Some of them
were these kind of methane uh holes or or or
like a type of an oil from the ground that

(18:21):
they could light and it would continue to burn and
burn and burn and burn throughout time. And these areas became,
uh you know, the locations of these of these fire,
of these burning flames, uh became symbolic and and uh respected.
And I also think that that that's probably also because
you could go there and you could light something on fire.

(18:44):
You know, they had ways of being able to transport
embers and fire from one location to another in order
to restart a new fire, so you could cook food,
you could stay warm, you could have light in darkness,
you know. So in a sense that these eternal flames
served more than just the purpose of an analogy for

(19:09):
you know, for a spiritual being or some kind of
godlike creator, but also survival in present time. You know.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Sorry, I started down a little rabbit hole while you
were talking. I was going to try to put together
a QR code for the book you just mentioned, so
I went to go try to find it. I didn't
realize you have written so many books.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well a lot of those are scripts. Yeah, you know,
I've I've written so many scripts over the years, and
I got I got so not not necessarily frustrated, but
it was like, you know, I write them because I
enjoy right writing them, but obviously I'd like to have
them made. But if if they're not, if they're done

(19:53):
for induced the scripts are I think, I think are
a lot of fun to read.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Uh, they're a lot quicker to read than a book,
but you know, they get at the point went across.
So I just started publishing my scripts as some books
on poetry and some other things. But so, you know,
this goes on, it dives into a little bit. I'm
not sure Atlantis, according to legend, was connected with that

(20:27):
portion of the earth. From Atlantis, the Initiates brought the
Great Mysteries into Asia, then to White India, and then
into Egypt.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
The changes that have been made in form and name
are due to the changing customs and racial beliefs of
the various people of ages. The schools in which the
Great Mysteries of the philosophy of Light down through accepted
is from generation to generation have been conducted under many

(20:59):
different names. School us, those secret and known have often
shaped the course of empires and controlled the faith the
rest of humanity and the greatest good to the greatest number,
not by force, but by the inculcation of wisdom. And uh,

(21:19):
that's you know, I think too, that's a factor I
don't know. And again, you know, when I read these
these older books like this, when they talk about these
sort of secret mystery schools of individuals who are seeking
out this this higher wisdom and this this this greater
connection with with the with the divine, and then how

(21:42):
do you manifest that in in real time to help
make changes in your in your communities. And I don't
you know, as much as I would like to believe
that that's happening today, I don't believe that's happening as
much today as it did in the past. I think,
especially in in many fraternal orders similar to Freemasonry, that uh,

(22:06):
you have individuals who who more want to become a
part of that order for the the fraternizing, for the
hanging out for you know, the connections and and the
and the friendships, and not so much the esoteric traditions
and and what is you know, truly being passed along

(22:27):
from from one mind to another, and that it you know,
in the past in masonry, it was you know, it
was said similar to what it said in this book,
that you know, you may know these higher truths that
that might not translate to the average person. But by
living these higher truths in your life and whatever job
you do, and by spreading the mortar of brotherly love

(22:48):
between you and your and and your community, that you
can transfer this this energy into your community, uh and
and sort of this knowledge and a watered down form
just by being gentle kind and courteous. And I don't,
I just don't. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening

(23:10):
today as much as I would like to. Maybe it is.
I know, there's certain podcasts out there that are are
successful that seem to be you know, aligned with this
kind of of idea of raising consciousness, but as a whole,
I just you know, when you see, you know, three
hundred million views on a TikTok video of someone doing

(23:35):
the latest you know, dance from whatever video game, it's
there's a loss of hope for mankind.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, I mean, and part of this goes back to
that same crossroads that we find ourselves in because never before,
ever before, in history, have we been so connected but
separate at the same time, because with social media, it
feels like you can basically just pull up your phone
or your computer and you can basically just connect with
anybody and everybody. But there's this drastic disconnect happening. And

(24:07):
part of that goes back to what he was talking
about a moment ago, that the further society evolves, the
less connected to the things that matter we really are,
And that goes back to some things that are really
just starting to be taught again, like how important it
is to go outside and touch grass with bare feet
once in a while because it helps realign with your energies.
And this is part of the things that I think

(24:29):
we've lost along the way, because we are not connected
to anything anymore. We spend almost all of our time
wearing shoes that separate us from everything around us. Were
separated from everybody around us. I mean sometimes even in
the same home, everybody's in different rooms, off doing their
own things. Even though you're all in the same place
at the same time, you're off doing your own things,
and we are just not interconnected anymore. And I think

(24:50):
that's part of why some of the things that are
happening are happening in the way they are because there
is no sense of real community anywhere anymore. There is
no real sense of bull law, and I think that's
part of what has made social media explode, because people
feel that sense of belonging when they're on social media,
at least for a little bit, but it's so false.

(25:11):
It's not anything like what you would get from, you know,
going places and actually spending time with people. Physically, we
are created and or designed, however you want to talk
about it, to be communal beings. We are supposed to
be around one another, So the less we do that,
I think that's another reason why we're seeing all these
anxieties and things creep up in society that we've never

(25:32):
really had in the levels that we've had them before.
And everybody's like, no, it's just because we understand better
what causes these things. No, apparently we don't, because I
guarantee you a part of what causes it is we
have too many people now that are definitely afraid of
being around other people, which is anathetical to our complete
reason for existence in the first place. And it's just
so much of what we do now as a group

(25:53):
is anathetical to everything that we were taught before, and
I think that's why you're seeing these weird disconnections, these
weird things going on. But it's just and going back
to the whole free Mason's idea. I didn't know this
until my great uncle had passed away, but apparently he was.
He was either right at the highest rank a mason

(26:15):
could receive just below it. And I didn't even know
until they told everybody that at the funeral. I had
no idea. I was like, wait so. And the other
thing is like, on the other side of the family,
I have a bunch of folks that are in Shriners.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So I have folks in my paster be Masons if
they're a shriner' you're required to be a Mason before
you can become a Shriner. A Shriner is really just
a fraternal order that's that's there for charitable purposes, and
especially with what they do with the children's hospitals is incredible.
You know, they have some of the best research and
development on on cancer treatment for children and environments that

(26:49):
that are conducive to getting better. And then also they're
burn victims units are are are amazing. They really have done,
you know, a lot, and they don't and they don't
really ask for accolades for that, you know, they just
quietly asked for donations in the background and do their
work and that's that's very impressive.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah. One of my uncles actually was always involved in
the Shriner's Circus and was involved every every time it
came to town, and he passed away recently, But that
was you know, I had people that you know, once
they once as I actually started asking folks about masonry
at one point because I was considering joining. But everybody
I talked to was like, Oh, it's a great place
to connect, and it's a great place to to do this,

(27:32):
and it's a great place to do that, and it
was all about what they got out of it. I'm like,
I don't want to know what you're what you're there
to do. I want to know what the group is
supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
And yeah, totally, it.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Kind of turned me off to the whole thing, and
I'm like, I don't I don't care about any of that. Yeah,
I'm wanting to try to find ways to give back now,
see what I can get.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, totally, you know, I was fortunate in the lodge,
in my Lodge of the Perfect Union, Lodge number ten
in San Antonio, when I when I joined that the
late nineties, Uh, and did my my degree work. My
my mentor, brother Bruce Baker was and my other brother
Rob they were heavily, heavily into Masonic philosophy and the

(28:13):
esoteric side of it, and uh, you know, even the
architectural side of it. And that you know, I was,
I met the right people at the right time. And
and when you go back in the in the history
of Masonry at the time when it was first really
going from operative Masonic orders to speculative that this was

(28:35):
also a time period when you really weren't allowed to
speak freely about about subjects that don't align with what
the dogma of the church was at that time period.
So even even speaking about alchemy could be seen as
as heretical, or or speaking about other philosophies that that

(28:57):
that might align spiritually with the church dogma, but don't
don't say that the church dogma is exactly right. You know,
that could also be seen as as heretical. So it
was it was also a place where you could be
in the lodge with like minded individuals and talk about
subject matters, uh, you know, scientific uh subject matters as well,

(29:18):
and uh and and be free to do that. And
now again, you know, with with the advent of the
New Age, and you can talk about pretty much anything anywhere,
anytime without much blowback. So I think that that is
also what has kind of diluted the conversation behind the
doors of the lodges, because it's just not as uh,

(29:39):
as as important to have a place to speak freely
when you can speak freely right here, right now, like
we are. Yeah, But so it goes on here says
it says uh. Initiation into the mysteries implies not only
a desire for instructions, but an equally strong desire to
aid one's fellow man. He who seeks to become an

(30:01):
initiate must be possessed of a heart that throbs for
the welfare of humanity, a love for equal opportunity and
justice for all. Love leads to God. Both love and
God are symbolized by the sacred ever burning flame, and
the same fire which Moses of Old saw burning in
the bush from whence issued the voice commanding him to

(30:22):
be the savior of the slaves. Objecond in Egypt. My
dog's gonna bark when I sneeze. He gets very freaked
out by sneezes, old body. It's okay, I'm fine, You're okay.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
So almoks like your dog buys into the old superstition
about sneezing where it was part of your it was
your soul trying to leave the body.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Not Let's hope that's not the case. So it says
here all the teachings and symbolism of the Secret Schools
are founded on the divine philosophy that the soul is
a smaller edition of the Father, and that the soul
becomes manifest through light in the form of love for
one's fellow man, for truth, and for the greatest good
to all. The more profound secrets of the mysteries cannot

(31:13):
be revealed or taught by means of ceremonial initiation. These
secrets are the gifts only of those few who are
willing to live the prescribed life and thereby grow into
the knowledge conferred by such living. To be taught is
to believe, To experience is to know. And let me
just finish rep this second section here says know thyself.

(31:37):
It is self knowledge and understanding of the relation of
self to the rest of humanity and to the universe
that brings the individual into the fullness of his powers, spiritual, mental,
and physical. The revelation of the secrets of the great
mysteries enables the initiate to develop an interpretation of self
that would otherwise be impossible. And it just makes me

(31:59):
think of how everybody has has has a soul inside
of them, meaning the the the energy that animates the
body itself. And we can feel that energy. And where
where what where? What is that energy vibing on like
we talked about earlier. Are we are we vibing on
a lot of the negative? Are we vibing on a

(32:20):
lot of the positive? Are we are we unconsciously nurturing
the positive or the negative? Or are we consciously nurturing
the positive or the negative? Preferably the positive of course?
And and if you know, if this, if this, this living
soul within us, you know you could say, is the
is the animus from like the planet itself? So you

(32:43):
have the spiritual being which which enters into the body
you know at at at at well some people say
at birth. Some people say right right, when this the
the the firm uh fertilizes the seed. But either way,
there's there's there's a there's two energy is there. There's
the indwelling uh soul of of the of the thing

(33:05):
created and then the manifest spirit that is that is
connected to it. And so through a nurturing of that
soul energy, the idea is that we can bring that
soul upwards to a higher level of experience and conscious connection,
to the point where we elevate the you know, the

(33:28):
soul of the body into the spiritual realm. And that's
the great work. That's kind of the you know, where
you where the philosopher, where you've discovered the Philosopher's stone,
the the changing of base metal into gold. The base
metal is the lower nature which the soul is enveloped with.

(33:50):
And then you have the spiritual being who's who's really
connected to the consciousness, the mind part of of of
this this kind of triune configuration. But but when we're
consciously aware of it, then we have that option of

(34:10):
not being just purely reactive beings that are just out
there in life creating a lot of chaos.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Ain't that the truth? So? Interesting? Little side note because
it depends on where you look. So for for like
Jewish faiths, they believe the spirit enters the body is
right at birth. Christians are more you know, based on
the scripture that says I knew you and the womb
ya da ya da YadA more like the you know,
happens a conception. The funny thing is, I don't know

(34:40):
which one of the right answer is. But one thing
that I did find absolutely amazing is once science was
able to record this, it was kind of like somebody
was trying to send us a message. The moment the
sperm enters the egg, there's the spark of life, and you.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Guys saw that.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
It's amazing And I'm like that, I mean, I don't
know whether that's physical life, spiritual life, or both, but
there's definitely you know, you you can kind of see
when life gets created and there's a giant flash when
it happens. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
That that that was amazing. When I first saw that,
I was, I mean, I was not shocked or surprised
by it. I was, but I was very uplifted to uh,
to see that that some kind of technological advancement allowed
for us to witness that moment of creation because it
is Uh, it is incredible. And without getting into the

(35:29):
weeds on you know, on on that whole subject about
you know, people who are you know, right to life
or this that the other, it's just, you know, I tend,
I do tend to wonder if if those individuals who
who are of that mindset would have preferred that if
they had been aborted instead. Let me tell you that

(35:51):
some folks just got home. Let me let the dog
out real quick.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Sure I don't oh oh thanks and dogs like hey,
people want to go see people?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, totally, So, you know I I I always I
always find that kind of an interesting sort of uh
uh thought you know, thought game to play when when
I'm when I'm hearing uh individuals speak about the you
know that that side of it, the uh the pro
right to choose or pro life or whatever, but then

(36:21):
never really uh coming to a a a balanced perspective
of like, well, they wouldn't even be there to have
this conversation if they had been you know, yeah, back
at back back before they were born. It's a it's
a it's a it's a it's a peculiar kind of

(36:42):
Pandora's box right there. But but I'm just really glad
that I'm here, and I'm glad that you're here, Rick,
and I'm glad that everybody out there in the uh
uh the metaverse who's joining us tonight is is there too.
I'm God bless all of you, and thank you for
being here.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Hopefully Elon Musk didn't just yanker extreme for you calling
it the metaverse just.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
So it goes On says that the process of regeneration
would fail in its purpose if it did not impel
the initiate to constantly keep before him the welfare of humanity.
The whole trend of the philosophy of fire is to
develop within the neophyte greater self knowledge, greater soul power,
and greater desire for achievement in the cause of human

(37:28):
welfare and progress. Cosmic perpetuation of the universe and the
biological perpetuation of humanity are at the very roots of
the great mysteries. The degradation and debasement of sex in
modern times is due to the fact that the present
day philosophy of sex is stressing the carnal satisfaction and
no consideration is given to the moral or spiritual aspect involved.

(37:55):
Its true spiritual and dignified status as a direct means
of constructive development and regeneration. That you know, it's it's
funny we were just talking about that because that that
goes hand and foot with with what we were just
discussing that having some type of moral turpitude, some type
of moral compass when it comes to carnal desires is,

(38:20):
without a doubt, the most I think, the most important
factor that has to be recognized when trying to walk
the narrow path, because that's the easiest, that's the easiest
way to be drawn away from, uh, you know, a
higher spiritual plane and into the lower animalistic side of

(38:46):
our nature. You know, well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
And seriously, I mean talking about the trying you nature
of man. You're talking about mind, body, and spirit. If
you are leaning more into the spirit, then you're not
paying so much attention to the carnal desire stuff. And
if anybody thinks there's not any truth to that, just
look at what's going on in the world today. Who's
on trial for what? Right now? What's going on with
these files that I haven't been released yet. This is

(39:09):
what happens when you go too far one way or
the other. There has to be balance. This is one
of the most important things that I've picked up from
the show that I've done with you and also the
stuff that I've researched over the years. There has to
be a balance. You can't really go too far one
way or the other or everything goes completely askew. There
has to be a balance somewhere. But leaning too far

(39:31):
one way or the other. I mean, if you're going,
if you're gonna lean heavily into it, I would much
prefer you lean to the spiritual side because that's less
dangerous for everybody for the most part. But at least
try to find a balance point, because when you go
too far one way or the other, bad things happen.
Because the more you're focused on the carnal and the physical,
the more you're only concerned about yourself, not the world
around you.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I couldn't agree more. It goes on to say, sex,
in fact, is the supreme manifestation of the Great Fire,
or permeation of the Supreme Being throughout the universe. For
it is through sex that permeation of the Supreme Being
in the human race has continued since first the universe
was set in motion. Through sex alone, is the divine

(40:11):
spark manifested, the spiritualization of sex and the spiritual regeneration
of the neophyte through sex are among the most important
manifestations following the practice of the instructions taught in the
Philosophy of Fire. So it just real quickly, just says,
the philosophy of Fire commands a complete regeneration spiritual, mental,
and physical of the neophytes and who whoever earnestly and

(40:34):
wholeheartedly strive to bring themselves into harmony with the sacred mysteries.
I'll finish up this paragraph, I mean this chapter real quick.
Here this philosophy thought as a living, vital reality, the
flame of the soul in all its various forms, which
culminate in individualization and immortalization, are treated in a manner

(40:59):
that will open a field of thought and investigation which
too many will result in the complete mental and spiritual regeneration.
So that you know, I see, you know, I see this,
uh that that little section there as being vital because
if you if you're consciously aware of the fact that

(41:19):
that through the the sex act, you you can spawn
a new spiritual being into physical form. And if if
that's what your conscious intention is then that's really all
that that that that that act is is for, is
just for regeneration, and anything beyond that can become a

(41:45):
fine line to walk because whether you're in you know,
in a in a very strong relationship with your partner
that uh, you know where each each partner is completely
devoted to the other one and all of that that
that that idea of the sexual relationship can still become

(42:06):
a conundrum, It can still become a thing. It can
still become you know, uh, a difficulty for a relationship
when and I think that that's that that really only
can occur if both individuals aren't on the same page
about what is that you know what I mean, because
in reality, all it's for is regeneration period. Anything beyond

(42:29):
that is well, it's it can be it can be questioned,
you know. Yeah, you have you have certain practices you
know with like uh the kundalini or the Kamma suture
or things like that, or or or or yogic practices
where they where they use uh sex to to generate

(42:50):
you know, a positive energy and all of that and
with it with it's being with someone that you love
uh and are in a very binding relationship with then
all of these things can be perfectly positive. But again,
at the same time, it's just I feel like if
we can just all agree that the only purpose that

(43:13):
it holds in this reality is for the regeneration of
the human form and the allowance of a new spiritual
being to manifest in a physical body and to have
this experience of life, and then anything beyond that. Like
you said earlier, you have to find that balance in

(43:34):
order to be able to live a good, clean, wholesome life,
which I think is kind of what the whole point
of a lot of what we've been reading these past
weeks is really about.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Well, so it's interesting that it goes here because this
stufftails into some stuff that I remember from reading a
Native American law, like the fact that when a new
human is created, it taking life force from each to
make that creation. So in theory, assuming all things created equally,
that means the more you have that particular act that

(44:09):
is solely just designed for creation, the more and more
of yourself you're giving away each time. And science now
supports this because they have done studies for people that
are in long term committed relationships. They didn't start out
that way, and they have noticed that in certain cases
when they did testing, they were finding DNA from multiple

(44:29):
partners intertwined with one another in this weird connective way.
And this is something else that science has never really understood.
If you'll notice people that are in long term, committed, committed,
connected relationships, eventually they start to look like one.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Another, like people and their pets and that too.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
But I think that has more to do with, you know,
the spiritual connection that comes from being around something for
so long, because there is you know, and we talk
about this, I think it was last week when we
were talking about the collective consciousness. There is a subconscious
connection in some form between anything and everything, and they're
now finding that through quantum physics. They're talking about this

(45:12):
new theory called quantum entanglement. Exactly, everything everywhere is entangled
at a quantum physical level that is unescapable, which means again,
and part of this is part of the reason why
the subject that we've kind of been skirting around is
as easy to do as it is is because nobody
wants to talk about the fact that you're actually creating

(45:33):
a spiritual being when you allow those two things to
come together, and that happens because if there's no spiritual
being and it's just a meat sack, then you can
do what you want with it.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Right, Yeah, which is which is certainly part of the
kind of Marxist philosophy that where it wants individuals to
get entangled and the idea that this is all there is.
It's just this meat by this meat sack and this
personality and the things that this meat sack and personality desire,

(46:07):
and that's and that's it. And then after you leave
this meat sack, it's just darkness for the rest of
your life. And I I just can't buy into that philosophy.
And and well, I mean it's it's shocking that many
people do, but.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well it's antithetical to everything that we that we should
believe because they're they're again science says this matter can
either be created nor destroyed. Yeah, So that means when
you and I are no longer you know, As for me,
I'm gonna be cremated because you know, I've been got
the butt of God's great many jokes for enough fifty

(46:42):
two years and I've decided wherever I wind up, I
want a fresh start. But some that there's still going
to be energy that leaves my body when I die,
Nobody knows where it goes, because again, matter cannot be
created or destroyed. Even if you believe that there's nothing
beyond this, we still go on to become part of
future stars and future planets because it's still here and

(47:04):
it has to go somewhere. And again, we're just now
starting to understand how interconnected everything is. So what if
we as again seeing through a glass darkly at this point,
what if we what we perceive as God is the
universal consciousness?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Totally?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, Because if we're all from God, and God from us,
and us from God, then that would explain the interconnectivity
of all things that we're just now starting to understand.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yes, I mean it goes back to the to the
idea that that you know, why is there consciousness in humankind?
And I always say that it's because that the universe
cannot be wholly aware of itself without a conscious being reflecting,

(47:56):
you know, the awe inspiring nature of its existence and
at the Saint. So it's it's like when I find
myself in the backyard at night time, staring up at
at what few stars I can see due to all
of the light pollution, But when I'm looking up there
and I'm just going, wow, man, this is just I mean,
look at it. Look at the grandeur of a spectacle

(48:16):
of this creation. It's just absolutely awe inspiring. It's in
that exact moment that I feel like that's the whole
purpose for us being here, is so that we can
reflect back into the cosmos that the creation itself and
say that we acknowledge it. Yes, we acknowledge it. We

(48:37):
see it. It's incredible. Now, what can we do together
to make life better for others? You know? No?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
And I agree, And I think part of the reason
why we have such a hard time anymore is because
we've gotten away from that. What can we do to
make life better for others? I mean, and this is
an argument that I have with people all the time,
because you know, you hear people, you know, talking about
Jesus in one way or the other. Jesus did say
render under Caesar. What is Caesar? But everything Jesus told

(49:06):
his followers to do he wanted them to do for
themselves and for others, not turn it over to the
government waiting for them to do it. Because there's an
elevation that happens when you serve people. And if you've
never done service, you don't know. But whether it's joining
the military in some cases, joining law enforcement, or serving
in your church, or doing something that just helps you

(49:29):
feel like you're giving back to the community in whatever
way that helps reattune your spirit, because you're not doing
something because of what you're getting out of it. You're
doing something because you feel like you need to give
back to everybody else, and that changes everything. And that's
one of the first steps to retuning yourself is finding
ways to serve, even if it's in a small way.

(49:52):
And this is something I've been doing this kind of
stuff now for going on sixteen years. When I first
started doing it all I would close every show basically
saying this, turn a put down the remote, get off
your couch, and find a way to make your corner
of the world a better place, because that's where you've
got to start. Start with what you know, Start with
what you can see. You've got neighbors that you know
need help, see if there's a way that you can

(50:13):
help them, and then go out from there, because it's
not about what you get out of it, it's what
you're giving back. And the more you focus on that,
the more your life is going to change. And then,
like you talked about a moment ago, you can consciously
focus on the positive. But until you retrain your subconscious,
it's a war that you're never gonna win because your
subconscious never shuts off your conscious mind does. Your subconscious

(50:36):
never really goes anywhere. So the more you do to
give to others, the more you're there for others. And
I'm not saying to the point where you're like everybody's
everything of me all the time, That's not what I'm saying.
But if you're doing it for the right reasons and
your motivations are good, and you're doing it to see
if you to try to make a difference, et cetera,
and you're not, oh, look at me and all the

(50:57):
great things I do. No, if you're doing that, just
stop because it's not gonna help anybody you help them.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
But yeah, and it makes me also think of, uh,
you know, the idea that you have. Let's say, you know,
you have an individual who is a law abiding citizen,
not because they they they want to uphold the law,
but because they're afraid of the punishment. They don't want
to go to jail. They they you know, this kind
of thinking, and so yes, they they they're they're doing

(51:23):
all the right things every day, they're minding all of
the rules. But let's say something happens within their community
where where all of that law breaks down, you know,
do they join do they do masses in the Yeah?
Do they join the masses in the riot? And sudden
they go and and and steal those things that they
that they previously were too afraid to steal because of

(51:45):
the idea of being caught. And then in a moment
where those rules suddenly don't apply, do they do they
bend like the willow and go and and and do
all those things. So so I think that, you know,
in relationship to what you're saying, it's it's fundamentally important
for us to be choosing to make the right choices

(52:07):
because they're the right choices to make, not because there
is the potential for being you know, punished for not
making that right choice. There's a very different energy that
goes along with those two types of personalities, you know,
the one that's.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Well the same thing in faith. Right, So I talk
to New Christians all the time, you know, and I
hate to keep them coming back to that, But that's
my touchstone point. Yeah, I talked. I talked to New
Christians all the time. When they say, you know, I
prayed the prayer and I accepted Jesus, I'm like, Okay,
did you accept him because you knew you needed him
in your life? Or did you accept him because you're
afraid fire is going to burn?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Totally, because those two things are not the same. And
I'm not saying that because you prayed the prayer, you're
still not going to get there because you did pray
the prayer, But your motivation as to why you're doing
things can impact your ability to exist as a spiritual being.
And that's why all of this carnal stuff and you

(53:06):
can see it. I think there's a reason that now
that you can basically see anything all the time, twenty
four hours a day, seven days a week, I think
that's why all this stuff is finally starting to come out,
because this is stuff that certain people have known about
for a long time, and now everybody can see it.
And it's what happens when you focus too far in
on the wrong things. And the same thing can be
true of your spiritual walk at first, if you're not

(53:28):
careful if you're doing it out of fear, because well,
the preacher said, if I didn't pray this prayer, I'm
going to burn an eternal fire for all right, and
face damnation. That can be a good motivation to take
the first step, but it can't be your only motivation.
Or yes, you're going to get a crown at the end,
but it's not going to be the one that you
were hoping for most likely, because yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And also it's something that can potentially be easily disproved
by life experience. You know that it's certainly has happened
in the past where something has occurred that may not
seem well, let's just use that same example. You know,
the person who who only obey obeys the laws because

(54:11):
they don't want to go to jail. And suddenly, you know,
there's a riot and all the all the electronical cameras
are down, all of the law is away, and that
corner store with all the jewelry is the glasses busted,
and everybody's doing it and you can just run in
there and grab a couple of trinkets and and you
and and the next thing you know, it's you know,

(54:32):
it's months later you've gotten away with it, nobody's ever
come to your house to question you. The jewelry is
still sitting in your drawer. You're just waiting to decide
what to do with it, you know, Do I sell it?
Do I do this that the other?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
But the point is is that the that that mere
idea of like oh, look I got away with it,
that that can topple the entire you know then because
because then you can say arguably, you can say, well,
if I got away with that, there was no repercussions,
then I guess all of this punishment stuff is BS.
And therefore, oh my belief in this, in this whole

(55:06):
system is BS. And I now, I now you become
you know, atheistic or or whatever. But when you have
that that spine of character that won't allow you to
bend no matter what's going on around you, that that
even even in your even in your weakest state, that

(55:27):
you would still not go and steal your neighbor's loaf
of bread to feed yourself, you know what I mean,
even if you're starving, that that that that it would
be okay, I will accept starvation and death, uh if
over being a thief, you know, I mean, that's that's
that's a very very strong choice to make in the

(55:50):
face of of of starving anybody, uh, in the in
the face of starvation, you know what I'm saying. It's
that But but I feel like that would be I
can't say that that would be my choice, but I
feel like that my choice, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I mean, well, it's just one of those things. And
this is something else that I've been talking about a
lot lately. You have to decide not only what you're
willing to live for, but what you're willing to die for.
If your principles aren't something that you're willing to stand
up for till your final breath, are they really your principles?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, I mean, and this goes back to every I mean,
we're seeing this play out right now in the natural
realm because there haven't been consequences and so long for
anybody doing bad things. Now you see anytime anybody has
a chance, there's rioting, there's looting, and all the above
happening everywhere. I mean, there were like four or five
reports of it's starting to spread to other places last night.
I'm just watching all this going. When are people going

(56:43):
to start understanding that there have to be consequences to
your actions. Again, but again this goes back to the
whole backbone of freedom is you only have the consent
to govern as long as you have the consent of
the government, right, And I feel like we've we've let
go of the rain so much, we're starting to lose
some of the consent of the governed. And but the

(57:03):
same thing can happen in the spiritual spiritual realm. You
only have the ability to expand to the spiritual realm
as long as you have the interest in expanding in
the spiritual realm. So that's why these two things are
so interconnected, because we wouldn't be having a lot of
these physical manifestation problems on our planet in our country
right now if we were still being allowed to be

(57:24):
spiritual beings and not being told, well, there's nothing above you,
nothing beyond you, nothing better than you.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, totally, I mean that's yeah. What you know, they've
they've they've really taken they've done an incredible job of
removing any type of spirituality from our educational system, that's
for sure. And UH and this idea of UH, which
you know that that it is what it is I mean, sure,
of course, it's going to be up to the family
to you know, to to raise their kids and to

(57:53):
be you know, connected to something godlike outside of any
type of educational system. But the same time, you know,
you might have a spiritual spine to what's going on
inside your home, But once that kid is spending the
majority of his time in another environment, the likelihood that
that that that individual will be able to maintain that

(58:14):
spiritual spine all the way through graduating high school much
less what goes on in college. It gets thinner and
thinner and thinner and thinner and thinner. You know. Whereas
if if if at least the the concept of of
of ethics is addressed in in morality is addressed in
in the educational system, which again it really isn't uh,

(58:37):
then then it's it's a tough game. It's you know,
the young the young people today are certainly up against it.
I mean, I I grew up at least in a
time period when there was still the idea of God
in school and uh and and and a a kind
of a patriotic uh, you know expression every single day

(58:59):
and the morning when you would do that, you would
stand up and you would pledge allegiance to the flag
literally every single morning in school. And uh and just
that that uh, that pledge allegiance alone has you know,
has the idea of God wrapped up within it as well.
So you know, it's it's it's very interruing. We came

(59:20):
up we're up on the on the hour here and
I think that's a really cool place to to end
off too. Is just you know, is this this idea
that we that we need to foster a sense of
spirituality uh, every single day and in whatever way we can,
even though it's very tough nowadays to do so. And
and it's hard to see the uh, the mirrored reflection

(59:42):
of of of of what that equals in our lives.
But I think if each of us give it a shot,
well will at least feel the difference.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean you'll at least feel
the difference. I mean. And and that's kind of the
thing is you have to start working on the changes
inside of you first. But we have I've come up
against it, my friends, So why don't you remind folks
where it is? If they can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Yes, you can find me across all the platforms, my name,
I am korn Nemic. It's the letter I, the letter M,
and then my name korn Nemic. Look me up, find
me out there and we'll say hello.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
All Right, folks, hang out. There's more programming coming up
next year on KLARM Radio, and we'll see you guys
next week