Corin's Reading Room Episode 6 -- The Philofophy of Fire Part 3

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Speaker 1 (02:44):
And welcome. Welcome, Welcome out in KLARM Radio Land. Welcome
back for another episode of Korn's Reading Room, hosted by
none other than Korin Nimmick himself, and there is the man,
the myth, the legend as we speak.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Suh. Welcome to k l r N Radio. And I
am so happy that these wonderful gentlemen, and this particular
gentlemen are hosting this show. Where's yeah, yeah, he's right.
He was right there a second ago. I could have
sworn I saw him. Uh. And that opening music, too,

(03:22):
by the way, is by Mose Jackson. That's m osc Jackson.
Look for him on Instagram and x And if you
need some good music, DM him. I'm sure that he
can work out a deal for you. Welcome back to
the show, Coran's reading room. How are you doing today, Rick,
I'm doing all right, my man.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's been it's been a hot one around here. We've
we've we've we've been raining now for like forty days
and forty nine as I keep waiting for Noah to
float by. It hasn't happened.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I do love it when it rains, though I will
say that I love it worse still in the throes
of this book, The Philosophy of Fire and Uh again.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's on Amazon dot com.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yes, and it's written by Reverend R. Swinburne Climber m
d as well. He was a a medical doctor of
some sorts. I have not really looked into what kind
of MD he was, but uh, I do know that
he was a Rosie Crucian and that, uh the Rosie
Crushians do practice a lot of alternative healing. They're they're

(04:30):
very into raiki and uh, alternative medicines, holistic stuff and
all kinds of things like that.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
And in all.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Likelihood, a lot of the individuals in the turn of
the century and even earlier than that, who were the
turn of last century, you should say, who were part
of the Rosie Kruscian movement definitely were factors in bringing
some of that kind of alternative healing and medicines and

(04:57):
things like that to to the mainstream. Read this particular book.
I think we're gonna stick with it until we get
through the whole thing. I mean that might be another,
you know, three or four episodes, but I just don't
see any reason to to not, you know, just go
through this and take our time with it. There's plenty

(05:18):
of other books out there to dive into once we're done,
but it's just every I think Rick can agree, like
every page of this book. We could literally probably spend
an hour on just easy the one page.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, I mean not just that, I mean anytime like
and this has been happening to me. I've been kind
of reading different sections of it throughout as we've been
doing this stuff, and it starts me down this little
rabbit hole where I started thinking of this, this and this.
I mean we talked about some of it last episode
where we were talking about how, you know, procreation is
usually only for one is actually technically only for one thing,
and that there's depending on and depending on where you look,

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there's there's different thought processes that support the fact that
each time you take the time to partake in that act,
you're actually giving of yourself. And I mean that started
down in a completely different rabbit hole because that's I
started thinking about some of the Native American philosophies about
you know, about all these different things about how each
time you know that basically you're giving away part of

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your life for us, every time you do that.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah, totally. Well in diving right in the next
chapter that we're on is called the Brethren of Light,
and some of the areas if you're just new here,
I I don't read the entire thing. I just read
sections that I've outlined or highlighted in the past when

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I read the book itself. And that's all we're doing
is just going over those little sections. So, uh, here's
a I'll read through a few, and we'll see where
we come to. The first words spoken by God during
the process of creation were let there be light. And
the universal cry of all souls awakened, not yet having
reached spiritual consciousness, is for more light. The light that

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was sought is only to be found in the innermost
recesses of the soul of man, and all true initiation
has this as its objective. The teachings of the Light
deals with the relation of the soul to God. The
light is the symbolization of the illuminated or conscious soul.

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The Nazarene was known as the light bearer. We must
be willing to learn from the man in the gutter,
providing he possesses knowledge we do not. The Lord, Creator
or cosmic Father shut up Phosphoros. The light spiritual or
soul essence of man in the prison of life. The
physical body caused it to fall and take on the flesh,

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as only through the flesh, can those sensations be felt.
This phosphoros the soul is known to occultist and initiates,
as it was to the templars as light. So I
think that you know, at least at least from my
own personal experience, I I definitely when I'm in a

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higher or elevated conscious state or condition, I actually feel
physically lighter. As you know. And you know, if you
fill up a balloon with hot air, it rises, you
know what I mean? So in a in a sense,
as an analogy, it's when that that spiritual fire is

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heated up internally, I feel like it makes the burden
of living a lighter burden to bear and uh and
and we're more capable of dealing with the stresses and
the pressures and the conditions of living in this physical
universe a lot better, at least a lot more sanely

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and uh by by having this kind of conscious connection
with with something greater than ourselves. And that that fire
within is something that that that exists in all of us.
But does it exist as a as a tiny little
iaty bitty spark that hasn't really been acknowledged or or
even known to exist yet, or is it something that

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we're fundamentally aware of, and that we have the ability
to use the bellows on and stoke it and get
it going and get that flame burning hotter, and and
and and feeling. Uh, you know that that that uplifting
sensation that comes with with with those moments of being
spiritually fit, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, I mean, and it's interesting that you brought up
that correlation between you know, uh, a hot air balloon rising.
I think there's so many different natural things that are
that are shown to us as kind of a reference point,
because again going back to the scripture, it is better
to be hot or cold than to be lukewarm. Those
that are lukewarm will be spewed from my mouth. Again

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hot things, hot air rises, cold air sinks. We're talking
about frequencies and finding ways to elevate or change our
frequency level. I think again, this is going back to
what we talked about last episode, where there's symbolism and
ritual and things to try to help people understand things

(10:28):
in a simpler level, on a simpler level than the
things that the Masters have come to understand. I have
a feeling that the universe, consciousness, whatever you want to
call it, has done much the same thing, because we
see all of these different things as we're starting to
understand them. You know, if fire is in fact the
representation of all things. The hotter things are typically the

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more they change, the more malleable they are. The if
it's air, it rises, so you're you're more easily shaped
if you're on fire, so to speak. I mean, ask
a sort, yeah, totally, I mean. And those are all
things that I think, And again, the rituals of different
groups and things are designed to not only kind of

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teach those things, but mirror them. But again, I think
the natural world does the same because you can see
these different things that happen during different states. And one
of the most active states is when when things are
heated up. Yeah, or at least the most malleable states,
not necessarily the most active, which is another Now that
we're starting to understand how atoms work and things like that,

(11:32):
one of the things that I found that was the
most interesting to me kind of the correlation between you know,
finding the light, et cetera. Is the colder something is,
the more active it tries to be, the more it's
molecules try to move around to try to generate the
heat that it needs to get to a more relaxed state.
So there's just so many different things that if you

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look show, the more in the light you are, the
easier everything gets. Because even your molecules coy total, I mean.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Come on, yeah, absolutely, and going in with the with
the whole quantum field. Uh theory is it's I mean,
each of us you can call them auras, uh, you know,
whatever that case may be. But we are we're all
we're all overlapping my universe, overlaps with your universe, overlaps

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with X, Y and Z's universe and so on, and
but but we all have a perception of of what
is that universe inside of us? How do we see
how do we perceive that that universe to be? And
so you know that that's where you have these clashing
of ideas and these clashing of energies and and in reality,

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if all of that can be dropped, if if even
even the the higher concepts of spirituality can be it
can be known but unknown, the same as the lower
concepts of materiality can kind of be known but unknown.
When you can let them go and just simply be,
just be, then there's nothing to argue about there's nothing

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to be in conflict about, you know, because all you're
doing is perceiving the beingness of the other person, and
they're perceiving the beingness of you. And without any element
of communication, everything should be fine. It's just when we
start communicating the things tend to go awry.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
But do you understand the words that are coming out
of my mouth?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yeah, totally. This goes down and continuing on here he
does dive into this whole, this whole concept of the
Luciferian thing, which this section is pretty interesting. It says
a Lucifer made Lucifer may be made to represent any
human soul. Lucifer, like the human soul, was dissatisfied to

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be continually at peace. He wanted to know, He wanted
to become a god. This longing, this dissatisfaction, caused his fall,
just as caused the fall the coming down of every
other soul on earth. In falling Lucifer, the light or
the soul took on matter or evil, just as does
every soul. The great work is to transmute this matter

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or evil by the use of regenerating fire back into
the light, and to become once more a free and
conscious soul that is illuminated or an illuminated soul. This
saving transmuting the evil that is part of carnal man
and thus becoming like unto the gods. The aim of
the life, the transmutation of the gross man into the

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illuminated or sanctified, clothed with light soul. The gnosis the
soul or the divine sophia is sought by alcala all
acolytes entering the mysteries, finding the Cristos within.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
And you know, I.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
The the the idea of this. You know, obviously lucious
or luxe ferrer or whatever is the bearer of life.
And uh, this has been really utilized. I know that
even the even though the term loose for us, I
think is only used once or twice in the Bible itself,

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and and and and the fall of of of Babylon,
fall of them of of the Tower Babbel, I think
that that's the area of the Bible in the Old
Testament where that where the name or the term is
even used. But I'm not exactly sure. I'd have to
look it up. But the point there, when I look

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at it, is that you know, this idea that we
as conscious individuals have the ability to utilize the knowledge
and wisdom that that we that we can into it
from the cosmos. You could call it the acosic field.
And so, you know, so we can come up with

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these these great new inventions and all that, But then
what what do we use How do we use that invention?
You know? Do we use our knowledge of uh, you know,
of the wheel to copyright the wheel? And only we
can produce the wheel, and anybody else who produces the wheel,
we sue them into oblivion, or we go and take

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their wheels, and they can only buy wheels from from me.
And the more wheels they buy from me, the more
powerful and rich I get, And the more that I
can control the manufacturing and distribution of wheels, you know,
And then I can I can I can take I
can keep those wheels from certain communities because I don't
like what they believe, and so therefore they can they
don't get to have wheels, and so on and so forth.

(16:35):
So you know, or or is this altruistic side of
us that that should be stoked and should be uh
you know, should should be brought to light? Is that
the side of us that that that we need to
utilize more so that we don't fall into that trap

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of being able to to use the knowledge and wisdom
that we divine from the cosmos to our own benefit
and then thus become a fallen angel, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
You know, yeah, no, I completely agree, all right, So
you need to start trusting your memory better, just so
you know, it's Isaiah fourteen twelve when it was referenced
only once during the fall of Babalon, so you were
spot on.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Okay, good, good, good, And yeah, because I find it
interesting that because it's the similar story of Prometheus bound
or or Icarus or Ichoris, depending on how you pronounce it.
That you know, this idea of somebody who gets so
close to you know, that ultimate knowledge and wisdom but

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then uses it for their own, you know, say, nefarious
or selfish purposes, or you know, offers it to individuals
who are not ready to have that kind of knowledge
and wisdom, who then would go and use it for
this same selfish and or nefarious purposes. And you know,

(18:04):
you can see like with the story of of of Nero,
you know, burning down the the Christian communities in Rome
and playing his lute and dancing a wild jig as
as as the people and the communities burned. H This
is like, you know, power that is has been given

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to the wrong type of individuals, and and the people
who support those types of individuals are the very type
of of of creatures who are only in it to
get what they can get out of it for themselves
and even their own family members. If if they stray
away from from what it is that that they need

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and want out of life, are perfectly are are allowed
to be cast to the brimstone. You know. It's like,
there's not it's it's that dialectic materialism. It's the root
of all evil.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well, I mean, it's interesting that you bring up because
this goes along with something else. I mean, think about
think about this from from another perspective. You know, we
talk about this everything being self serving, and think about
this from another perspective though. You're talking about people that
have access to natural world power that use it for
their own means or their own purposes or for a price.

(19:19):
I will help you do this. I will help you
do that. How many of us And I'll raise my
hand first because I'm just gonna be honest. When we
first heard it was probably sometime in Sunday School when
we were little kids the story of Jesus on the
Cross and thought, man, if I could do the things
he would he could do, I would have just got
myself off the cross and wipe them all out, all right, right,
not about it, but but but, And that's part of it.

(19:40):
I think, because everybody talks about how, you know, the
miracles in the Bible don't really happen today. I think
that's because we are completely we're disconnected from that part
of our spiritual self. But it's because we're so busily
focused on the physical that if we had access to
the kind of stuff that Jesus could do, I mean,
think about it. If you take everything in the Bible literally,

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dude was able to not eat for forty days and
forty nights. Can you imagine that? Imagine that for a second.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Even Gandhi couldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
He was he was able to walk on water. Can
you imagine what an everyday, average person would do with
those powers? And no, I don't want to use the
word the Russo Almighty movie is a frame of reference
because that's bs because it would have been so much worse.
And I think that's part of the reason why we
have the disconnect between the physical and the spiritual, Because

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just like there's levels in life, Like you don't come
out of the womb, you know, ready to run a marathon,
there's stages. You have to learn your environment, you have
to learn how to interact with your environment. Same thing
happens on a spiritual level. You start with a spark
of divinity and you have to learn how to feed
that spark. And if you don't, I'm not necessarily going
to say it's ever going to go out, because it

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won't do that until the day you die and it
becomes whatever comes next. But it won't ever grow. And
if it doesn't grow and you don't find a way
to feed it properly, or you keep looking for shortcuts,
which is part of what I talk about with all
this manifest manifestation stuff all the time, that is possible,
but it's being used wrong. Manifestation isn't isn't about physical.

(21:17):
Manifestation is about changing your mental aspect so that you
can deal better with the physical. What you just mentioned.
When we learn we can be connected with other things
that are connected with other things, it automatically elevates our
our level of ability to deal with the world around us.
And it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be perfect.
It just means that you understand there's something beyond you.

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So a bad day doesn't end your in you so
to speak.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Yeah, so, yeah, exactly, and and and when we were
also discussing that, you know that this this uh, this
concept in the quantum entanglement theory. You know, we're all
entangled on the quantum level, uh, with with energy and
with mind and with thought and with ideas. Everything is

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entangled in that because at the end of the day,
everything boils down to you in agreement. You know, we
agree that a table is a table because enough people
have all called it a table and discussed what it's
used for, and therefore it's a table. But in another
language they refer to the table as something totally different,

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and we might not understand what that language is. So
they might be pointing to it and saying, this is
a gobbledyga, and we're like, no, that's not a gobbledyga,
that's a table. And then an argument can ensue and
a war can happen because two different people want to
call the same thing, some by a different name, you know,
similar to the idea of God. Oh we call God.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
God, you call it yahweh calls Allah, somebody else calls
it this, that, somebody else calls it that, And next
thing you know, there's wars being fought and it's it
gets kind of crazy, you know, but it's it's uh
and we can vibe on a level.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's where we can appreciate other people's individuality and other
people's ideas of what they think things are. Because everything's meliable,
everything could be changed and shifted, it all. It all
depends on what we finally agree agree on. But at
the end of the day, if we as individuals can

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allow or accept somebody else's you know, point of view,
even if it doesn't jibe with with ours exactly. Now,
I'm not saying you have to jibe with somebody's point
of view if they're you know, if they're a criminal,
or if they're you know, a drug trafficker, or for
they're a B. C or D you name the criminal
element that might be inside of them. That doesn't have

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to be agreed with it all, of course not. But
if we can allow people to just have their opinion
and so long as they're good, kind and thoughtful, individuals.
Then we don't have to try and force our thing
on them, and and we can avoid a a lot of, uh,
you know, a lot of difficulty that way.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think, well, I think another thing that and this
this is again, I think from us focusing so much
on the physical realm and not the things that are
around us and come after us, we've become so polarized
now that we're not allowed to disagree. I mean, I
saw somebody that that I worked with posting about this
this morning that when when did you know, disagreeing on

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political terms make somebody immortal enemy? When did that change?
And it's not just that you disagree with anybody about
anything anymore. And you've got people that are like, well,
I don't want to talk to you anymore. You're you're
you're disinvited from the holidays. I'm like, are you kidding me?
This the whole.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yes, I have a I have a couple of family
members who have not really been speaking to me much
in the last number of years for like reasons. It's
very peculiar. But this, this next section here is it's
funny how when we talk about these things, it starts
going into it anyway that says uh, contemplate the countenance
of God with without a medium. The light of the soul,

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as a result of the flame, made active by the
transmutation of the gross man, makes possible the contemplation of
the countenance of God in that flame. No man withdrew
the veil from the eyes of Moses in order that
he might view the fire in the flaming bush. It
was Moses who accomplished this by following the instructions he

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received during his training in the Egyptian Temples of Initiation.
Before I go on to the next section, that that
one part right there, you know, contemplate the countenance of
God without a medium. That that to me right there
says a lot, because if you know, if if we

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can have that direct relationship with with the Cosmos, with
the grand architect of the universe, with with you know,
the all seeing, all knowing, uh, you know, whatever you
want to call it, the thing that's out there, and
be able to to have that that very personal relationship

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without the medium, you know, meaning without the filter, without
some other type of filter that's that's in the way,
and that doesn't take anything away from you know, the
filter of Christianity or the filter of Judaism or the
filter of Islam, or the filter of Buddhism, or Zerostrianism
or Janism or Da da da da da, you know, Mormonism.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Of this that.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
But all of these are filters, you know. And each
one of them, generally speaking, had a teacher or teachers
that you know that they came about to try and
explain from their point of view what that relationship could
be or should be, or so on, and but yet

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handing it off. You know, now, if you're if if
the belief system is that only through this particular person
or this particular point of view can you have this
relationlationship I have, I have to be cautious of that.
I do find that in you know, if you if

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you really are reading in the New Testament, you know,
without misinterpreting what Jesus is saying, he's saying you know,
through me, meaning like me, you can have this relationship too,
meaning it can be personal for you and you don't.
So I'm not saying that that Jesus is the ultimate medium,
but but acts as a vehicle to allow us to

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have that same experience or relationship with the divine that
Jesus had as well. You know, but but I know
that that can be potentially controversial what I just said,
But but that that that to me, I I I
actually sort of correlate a lot of the teachings of
Jesus with a lot of the teachings of Guatama Buddha.

(27:53):
There's so many similarities in the spiritual psychology of those
two teachers that those two prophets that that I tend
to believe that there may be a deeper correlation there
between ancient Buddhism. Because Buddha lived six hundred years before
Jesus was born and what came of the teachings of

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Jesus later, you know, there could be some hangover there
from those two philosophies, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Well, I mean, it's interesting that you bring that up,
because remember I think it was either first or second
episode we started talking about how if you go far
enough back into the Torah and the Kabbalah, that the
Jews actually believed in reincarnation.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Exactly, yes, which is which is also very Buddhistic. And
the ancient Hindus also believed this too.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
And there was proof of that when they started asking
Jesus when he said who When Jesus said who do
they say that I am? And they started naming off
dead people. But I think part of what happened, I
think you may be more on the nose than you realize,
because I don't necessarily because he said I am the Way,
the Truth, and the Life, and nobody to the Father
except by me. But I don't think it's that. And

(29:03):
this is where I can trouble with the church again,
So it's gonna throw this out here. I think what
happened is because remember everybody used to believe in reincarnation.
I think what happened is the universe or whatever said,
you know what, this is taking too long. Let's send
him a cheat sheet and we're going to send it
through you. And that's when he said, this is how
you get to this point, because otherwise you're kind of

(29:23):
on this hamster wheel where apparently you do this over
and over and over and over again until you learn
whatever lessons you're supposed to learn. And let's face it,
we are stubborn mofos. We don't learn lessons. We don't try,
but we don't. Eventually, the old ways come back. And
that's why this and going back to what you were
talking about, a moment ago. This is why learning who

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the Creator is without a medium is important because let's
not forget even looking at the Church, even looking at Catholicism,
the Reformation, the Church of England, all the things that
have come after. Eventually, if you are in it long enough,
you're going to find somebody who is only in it
for themselves. And the other thing about a medium is
remember masses were taught in Latin. Almost nobody in that

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day except for the ruling class, spoke the language, so
that meant they were giving you the words first, then
they were telling you what they meant, yeah, which means
you have no real way of knowing whether they were
being honest with you or not. That's why the printing
press and the Reformation changed everything, because everyone had access

(30:27):
to what was known to be the Word of God
in their language, and they could read it and understand
it as long as they had the ability to read.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
And yes, totally.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Started changing everything because that's when it became more of
a personal relationship with God, not a relationship where you
have to go to a certain person to be able
to get the correct interpretation of the words that you
don't understand. Yes, and to me, that's kind of where
all of this is coming from. And that's why again,
I am ordained, but I don't run a church, and

(30:58):
I'm not necessarily involved than one other than attending, because
I do have some ideas that would have me run
under the church on a rail. And that's just the
truth of it. I honestly believe that Jesus came to
Earth to be a universal cheat sheet to show us
who we could be. I love that we could find
our way back to that again, because I think the universe,

(31:19):
God or whatever is like, you know what, this this old,
this whole humans on a hamster will thing has taken
too long. Let's figure this out, yes.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
And and and an approach, you know before I dive
back into this and approach like that in terms of
drawing people to the language that was used by Jesus
in his you know, even even though obviously everything is
interpreted because he never wrote anything himself and it was
written by other people who are saying this is what

(31:47):
he said. Uh, if if we can hope that they're
being honest about it, well, it seems like they hit
the nail on the head, you know, especially when they
with the with the Sermon on the Mount you know
that that alone is one of the most incredible texts that.
I mean, you could literally base the rest of your

(32:08):
life and your entire philosophy of life on that one speech.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, so, so I'm sorry, but this just occurred to me.
So two points that prove that we're probably looking at
things differently than originally intended if these were in fact
the words of Jesus. And one of them is an
actual example of his teaching. When he said turn the
other cheek. That wasn't because he was a pacifist. That
was because he was showing you a way to resist

(32:35):
tyranny without giving in to tyranny. Because if you turn
your other cheek one usually people would backhand you on
the right side because the left side was verboten back then,
so by you turning the other cheek in order for
them to hit your right side again, because they wouldn't
actually hit your left if they could avoid it, they
would have to hit you open handed, which then put

(32:56):
you on the realm of them, you being an equal
to them, not subserve to them. So Jesus wasn't teaching
you know, be a tree hugging hippie who never stands
up for anything, or he never would have gone into
the temple and turned.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
On kicked over to the money changer's tables exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, that's a second amendment. Well regulated militia means something
completely different then than it did now. Well regulated back
then simply meant in proper working order, and anybody above
the age of a certain age who was mailing in
sound and of sound mind and body was automatically a
part of that militia. Yeah, that we look at it
now isn't the same. So it is very possible that

(33:34):
there is some issues with this game of telephone that
we play about what Jesus actually meant and look, and
I'm not saying if you accepting him as your savior
is your key to get there, take it by any means,
by any means necessary. You take whatever step you have
to do to find that next level. But I think
a lot of that is again a cheat sheet. I
think that's why there are so many teachings that are

(33:56):
similar between the original Buddha and Christ himself, because you know,
they're teaching basically the same things, and they weren't in
the same place either.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Right, totally, man, totally and interesting that you say that
because He goes on to say, here and again, we're
in this chapter called the Brethren of the Light. A
nation falls to lower levels because of the enfeebled and
degenerate ruler or priesthood. Then nature or the divine law,
whichever will, whichever you will, sees to it that one

(34:28):
arises who has the foresight, the strength, and the will
to do that which must be done. He may be,
and often is, one of lowly born. He may be
a peasant, he may be a commoner. The great soul,
whatever his position in life, recognizes the need at a glance,
has the faculty of drawing others to himself, while wisely

(34:49):
and with generosity, directing them toward a constructive goal. God
or Nature will attend that one in secrecy until he
makes his appearance and leads the peaceeople to freedom once again.
So we were just I mean, you know, we're just
talking about you know this, uh that you know that
the idea of Jesus, whether people believe he's the son

(35:12):
of God or just a prophet or a you know,
a wise teacher, none of that really matters to me,
the nuances of it. It's just what they're saying here,
is that, Yes, in certain lifetimes, at certain times in
the history of humankind. Uh an individual will rise to

(35:35):
the occasion in order to show everyone else that it
is possible to break this this cycle of of of chaos,
that that we live in and be able to live
in harmony and in peace with with nature and the universe,
you know.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And for a time everybody believes it, and everybody's doing
really well. And then somebody he says, oh, I can
use this for my purposes.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yes, then they copyright the wheel. So the sins of
the brethren was in their failure to heed the warnings
and preparing for their own protection. And this is our
sin as well. God, we must never forget protects only
those who, having tried, are unable to protect themselves. The

(36:23):
music that in the human soul resounds reflects those formal
carnal vibrations raised to a higher level. In fact, is
the instrument. Through his own efforts and by the transmutation
of the carnal within himself, he raises these vibrations to
a heavenly chord. The music of the spheres. The slumbering soul,
as yet no more than God's own divine spark, is

(36:46):
thus brought to life, this divine spark is brought into
manifestation and into flight toward the eternal light or flame,
which we know as the cosmic soul. This is the
process of initiation today, as it has all been, and
no man comes to God except by this way. This
must forever be the answer to the accusers of the

(37:06):
initiates of ages past, as it is today throughout almost
all of the world, and actually by silent consent of
the mass, because the mass does nothing to prevent it.
Nor are these initiates entirely innocent. Their guilt is in
being unprepared and being caught unawares, trusting that God or
other men would do that which they themselves should have done.

(37:27):
Let none bewail their fate or accuse God of injustice
who failed to heed the warning which coming events cast
before them. And I think that this, you know, I
think that that just goes into this idea that And
I'm not saying that I'm going to, you know, to
be this kind of person or that you are whatever,
but in our own ways, in my own way, you know,

(37:50):
I can be. But what it's suggesting here is that
every one of us reaches a crossroad in our lives
where where we and and it's and it's not like
a single moment where we reach a crossroads. It's a
daily crossroads. You know. Are we going to keep reaching
for this higher goal, this this this deeper connection, or

(38:16):
are we going to take the easy path, you know,
take the low road and just you know, do whatever
we got to do to make this body happy and
to get what we want to get out of this life.
The nicer car, the finer jewelry, the slicker clothes, the whatever,
you know. But uh or or And when we make

(38:39):
that choice, then that spark starts to dissipate, you know.
And every day there has to be that that that
crossroads moment. I think, you know, every morning, every day
there's got to be something there that that at least
excites us to to continue a deeper search, you know,

(39:04):
for this connection with something greater than ourselves. Otherwise, to me,
it just it just makes the whole game we're playing
kind of effeckless and pointless and dreary to think that
all it is is just this mass around us and
that's it.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
He who has the most toys of the end wins, right.
But I also I firmly believe that the more you
elevate yourself and the more you find that frequency attunement,
the more the universe or however you see it tries
to bring those things to you because it's hoping that
you're going to take those things and bless those around you.

(39:43):
And that's one of the things that drives me really
crazy about the uber wealthy. Look how many houses do
you need, how many jets do you need, how many
boats do you need? And I know a lot of
them are off doing things that we never know about it,
et cetera. But I think part of the reason why
so many people get envious is because they see them
just living what they think is this perfect life. And
this goes back to exactly what we've talked about on

(40:05):
other shows before. Just because you're seeing somebody from the outside,
you don't know what all it is that they're going through.
So don't assume that all the money in the world
is going to suddenly make things better for you, especially
if you don't really know what to do with it,
Because if you're not using it to not only help
those around you, but let that ripple out like stones
into a pond to see what else you can impact

(40:26):
them what else you can change. Then you're never really
going to find true happiness anyway, no matter how many
toys you have at the end of it. And I think, again,
this is where we start running into the problem of everything.
I mean, what is it. They always say the road
to hell is paid with good intentions, because everybody usually
starts out with the best ideas at heart, and they're like,
I want to do this, and I want to do this,
and I want to do this, and then a little

(40:46):
bit along the way, they'll they'll say, well, they'll compromise here,
or they'll cut there, or they'll do this, and then
by the end they're just like, none of this is
anything like what I thought it was going to be.
And I hear this from so many people that are rich, poor,
everwhere in between, because of what I used to do,
and they're just like, nothing makes me happy anymore. I
have all the things I've ever wanted. I have nice cars,

(41:08):
I have a beautiful house, I have a beautiful wife,
I have I can go take trips whenever I want,
and there's still just something on that that I feel
like is missing from the inside. And I'm like, that's
because there is the physical but the reason there is
in Christianity. And again I'm using that as an example

(41:29):
because in a lot of ways, I think that and
Buddhism are probably the two things that got things the
most correctly, and I think that's because there's some intertwining
going on there. We are a try hune being, much
like we are taught in the Bible that God is
a try uning. You know, there's Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
which is basically the mind, the body, and the soul.
We have the same thing going on here, and if

(41:51):
you're neglecting one over the other or over emphasizing one
over the other, you're never going to be completely at peace,
because you can be the smartest person on the planet
and still be absolutely miserable if you think this is
all there is. Yep, you can be the most swoll
you know, dude, that women are swooning over and everything

(42:13):
else and be able to bet anybody you wanted at
the end of the day is like, is there nothing
else but this? And trust me, these are conversations that
I've had with some very smart people and some very
you know, charismatic people that are like, I've done all
the things that I thought I was supposed to do,
and I'm still not happy. Hell, I've had that conversation
with myself. I just went through my second divorce five

(42:34):
years ago. Never saw it coming. I did all the
things that society told me I was supposed to do.
I did. I got the two point five kids, the
nice house, the nice car, and the wife, and she
still went off and found somebody else instead, because I
just there was something that she needed that I was
unable to give her. She's found it now, she's happy.
That's neither hearing nor there. But it's just one of
those things where if that's if those are your goals,

(42:55):
and if those are the only things that you're focusing on,
something's gonna rug pull you. Yeah, just like me. I mean,
I'll be honest. Five years ago, I almost ended everything.
My my older children were gone, my granddaughter wasn't going
to be home. My youngest son was supposed to go
to a New Year's Eve party and something told him
to stay home. I had already picked out where I
was going to do it and how I was going
to do it, and if he hadn't stayed home, I

(43:17):
probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Well, I am very glad that he stayed home and
you're here with us.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Rick.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
That's you know, that's that's a crazy place to be.
I can't imagine, you know what, what what a frightening
state of mind that that would that would be for
later on when when you look back on it and go,
oh my god, I almost did that.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, that was I thinking. That happened like a day
and a half later, when I was like, dude, that
was nothing but divine intervention, because I even I even
started trying to tease him to get him to leave,
and I was like, dude, I was ordering peace and
everything else, and I was going to just chill out
and have fun and have the house to myself for
the first time in forever because your mom's not here anymore.
And he's like, no, I'm I'm not going.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, he vibes something, brother, he vibes something.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Uh yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
And it's it's interesting because this goes on and says,
this says all men, just and unjust alike seek the
salvation of their soul. The unjust and the unfaithful are
the most cruel in the destruction of their more faithful brethren.
Thus they justify their own debasements. All history of humanity

(44:25):
proclaims this fact. God cometh in the dark of the night,
when man sleepeth and no man beareth. Watch that you
know that that's that's so true because the individuals who
are just completely materialistic and are you could say satanic

(44:48):
in that sense, that they're only in it for themselves
and for those other individuals who are in the same
playing the same game that they are, which is, you know,
just purely for self gratify, vacation and get what you
can out of life and enslave the rest. That they
can't have anybody else out there that would push against

(45:09):
that or or would rock the boat for them, because
you know, just like what happened when if we go
back to when Jesus arrived in the West that I
don't know if people realized just how horrible it was
to live before he broke, you know, before he shattered

(45:29):
the vessel. You know, everything was completely controlled. The over
policing of society was rampant, that the laws were completely unjust.
If they told you that you had to bring your
your baby to the sacrifice, you know, then you had
to bring your baby to the sacrifice. If they told
you you couldn't get married to the person you love.

(45:51):
You couldn't get married to the person you love. If
they told you you had to get out of your house,
you had to get out of your house. Whatever they
said went, And it was just it was a Conian
way of of of government back then. That was you know,
also in use with the old with the old temples,
and with the with the Roman religious traditions too. It's

(46:15):
just if he hadn't arrived. When he arrived and shattered
that vessel, I just don't think I can't imagine what
kind of darkness we would be in today, you know, no.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I mean, well, you're one hundred percent right. I mean,
that's that's just the truth of it. Nobody knows where
we would be today if not for that moment and
those revelations that happened. I mean, because I mean you
have to realize there was a stark transition between the
God of the Old Testament and the God of the
New Testament.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Big time.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
The God of the Old Testament was avengeful mofo.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
The God of the New Testament, you know, became a
god that you know that was completely different. And that's
you know, not to go too far Afield on it.
But that's one of the things that I have an
issue with when it comes to the Islamic faith, because
there's been no reformation of that faith. A lot of
the stuff that they hold to be true is still
true to them, and there are things that are through misinterpretation,

(47:07):
et cetera, that they're using to justify what they do.
And it's hard to tell them that they can't because
there's really been no reformation movement that basically moved Allah
from this dude that was like smite everybody who doesn't
think what you think to oh, everybody deserves a fair shot.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Yeah, there's there's there's yeah, without going too deep into
the weeds on that, that it is an Old Testament
deity that that has found its way into that that particular,
that particular particular faith, and uh, and it's quite obvious,
and I think it's it's always shocking to me to

(47:42):
find anyone who believes that they would have a divine
spirit that would see the destruction of a whole other
cultural you know, community, or racial community, or religious community
or whatever the gears to be that the smiting of
them is justifiable in some way, you know, unless unless

(48:07):
they're still practicing a bunch of a bunch of baby
sacrificing or something like that, like, yeah, that that should
probably definitely be smited, but in a different, you know way.
It's it's very peculiar, man, it's a it's it's definitely
a headier subject and a very controversial subject of course too,
one that can't be easily had.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
It says.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
It goes on here, says a master initiate takes the
stone which is the body, and prepares it by the
fires of transmutation to become the shining or leading light.
The house not built by hand, which the master mechanic
the initiate, prepare for a temple, the house for the
Lord by means of the alchemist's fire of transmutation, for

(48:51):
the ineffable light. The many untrustworthy, sorry, the many unworthy,
who sowed not and therefore cannot reap, will be the
most bitter in the accusations and denunciations, and most cruel
in their persecutions in this Western land are now rapidly
wait in this western land are now rapidly reincarnating those

(49:12):
many souls who in the past had partly found the light,
but were deprived of life by unrighteous might before they
had completed their work. These reincarnating souls, now returning to
the source of light, will become the miracle workers of
the new age. The incoming host of just souls prepared
in former incarnations will not yield to tyrant force are present.

(49:37):
That which is good is considered an illusion God, a myth,
morality and misconception of a morbid mind, the soul of
man nonexistent. So that's you know, in this day and age,
In this in this materialistic age, these kind of higher
concepts are looked at as being what you know, like ancient,

(49:58):
like old passe uh not not not not worthy of
of of being believed in present time because it's you know,
this new technological age that we've entered into seems to
negate this idea that there is a you know, a

(50:20):
divine being that is conscious of itself and that we
can be conscious of and that we can communicate with,
and that we we can become spiritualized because of and
and I think that it's actually kind of if you
look at it from a different angle, all of the

(50:41):
technological advancements to me, actually prove that there is you know,
this this grand architect of the universe, or in in
the Hindu belief, this acosic field where all knowledge and
information is stored. Every every event that's ever happened in
the past, every potential event that's ever happened in the future,

(51:03):
every possible technological advancement that that we've ever come across
in the past, the present, the future. It's all there
wrapped up in this this energy field that that we
can access, and so all of these advancements that we
do have are are due to that fact, in my
in my opinion, well, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
I do think and this goes back to something we
were talking about a moment ago, because we were talking
about the Tower of Babel around the time of the
Fall of Babylon. I think there's more to that story
because I find it hard to believe that the universe
would be upset with people creating a big building. I
think there was. I think there was there was something
else going on there. And I think this goes back
to the history may not necessarily always repeat itself, but

(51:48):
it does rhyme. And the interesting thing about how you're
saying the technological advancements to you reinforce your beliefs It's
happening for other people too, because the people that believe
there's nothing else the technological advancements from them to them
from their perspective or reinforcing their beliefs, because now, as
we see it, the creators the created or becoming the

(52:10):
creators because we believe that we came from something. They
believe there's nothing above us, so we in and of
a we and as far as their perspective have concerned,
have elevated ourselves to Godhood because now we are creating
things that can think and do think and will grow
as we grow, et cetera. So again, it all depends
on your perspective. That's the hardest part to understand about life.

(52:31):
The lens that you view your life through is going
to shape how you see it, how you interacted with it,
and even how you interact with other people because of
your own preconceived biases and notions. And that's I think
one of the biggest things that these books and these
type of topics that we bring up on this show
every week are trying to expose is the filter that

(52:55):
you view life through. And it goes back to a
you know, not to go back to this whole the creators,
the created becoming the creators thing. But this goes back
to the whole computers thing, garbage in, garbage out, we're
the same. Our brain is basically the most advanced organic
computer known to man, I mean, and if you look
at it, it operates in much the same way as

(53:16):
a computer. It has electrical impulses, firing things back and forth,
there's storage, storage, mediums, et cetera, and so it's basically
the same concept. So even something as simple as a
hard drive on a computer is basically man is just
simplistic understanding of what a brain does.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Totally, Man, it's interesting that you're just saying that because
it goes on. It's almost like that we're saying what's
about to be said before it's said. In this book,
it's very interesting, but because it goes on to say
right here, those on the path will not be swayed
by the evil forces of the present, knowing them to
be temporal or passing. The knowledge gained during their initiation

(53:55):
will guide earnest souls, sweep aside the evil forces in control,
and again plant the banner of light in the soil
of the western world, as prophesied ages ago. Then will men,
by their efforts again be free men of God, as
at last puny man. The microcosm, like the macrocosm, the

(54:16):
universe will manifest in constructive action all his potentialities. Having
transmuted the littleness of the purely human and the carnal
and the brutal into the light that is from God,
the soul, having attained consciousness and become the winged globe,
will have the privilege of upward flight. The final light,
the last sublime degree of initiation, is possible only as

(54:38):
a result of the passage through death. The passage through
the valley presages life and the assurance of more light
to follow pain and suffering, loss and sorrow rightly accepted,
and the lessons correctly applied serve to awaken the soul
so that it may come into light. So likewise must
the divine spark pass through the purgatory of the self

(54:58):
in order that too may awaken and the mirror and
mirror its creator through its own glorification or illumination. And that,
uh uh, we can we can probably just talk this
one out the rest of this episode, because that you
know that that's the idea that we're talking about now.
Is that that you know, once you decide that there's

(55:20):
that there's a higher road to take, that there's a
greater mystery to be a part of, then daily you're
going to be pressed to constantly choose a higher road
or a higher path, or or a more altruistic action.

(55:41):
Then you know that that will lead you to a deeper,
more meaningful relationship with with the universe and with our
fellow man and with nature and with you know everything else.
Like you were talking about the grounding earlier, you know,
the average person who may you know, be totally materialistic

(56:04):
and only out for self, would think of this idea
of going out in their backyard but their shoes off
and grounding themselves as just what a bunch of new
age mumbo jumbo. And they may actually go out and
take their shoes off and go out and experience absolutely
nothing because they're not open to it. Even if there's
a transference of energy going on that on a subconscious

(56:28):
level that they're not going to acknowledge it, even if
they were to feel it, even if they went out
there and were to go, hey man, I dig this, dude,
this kind of feels you know, nice to me. The
way that their mind. The trap of their mind is
already preset is that if they agree with that, then
they have to disagree with everything else that they've already

(56:48):
told themselves is true, and therefore it can't be true
even if they feel it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Which means it won't be true even if they feel it.
And I have to admit I was one of those
people that are really kind of bought into that kind
of being, like this new age hippie dippy thing. But
then I started reading about the science of it, and
the science of it truly is grounding actually does work.
It helps negative ions be released from your body through
your skin, et cetera, because we are supposed to come

(57:16):
in contact with nature. I mean, think about it. Even
even if you believe the creation story in Genesis, we
were we were created naked. Yeah, we didn't even know
what clothing was. They didn't even know that it was
a thing until they took them bite of the apple.
And then suddenly they're like covering themselves with fig leaves,
and God is like, Okay, what did you do? I

(57:37):
know you did something. What did you do? Because you're
covering yourself, which means you now have concepts of things
that I that I didn't give you, So what did
you do?

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Can you imagine if they if they if in the
the story of Adam and Eve, if they had accidentally
used the poison ivy instead of the big leaf, everything
would be different.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Well, the only thing I could say about that is
I really wish that God would have made Adam and
Eve cajun because they would have ate the snake and
not the apple, and we wouldn't even be in this problem.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
That's true, That's exactly right. That that that should have
been the thought. Yeah, that the whole, the whole Garden
of Eden story is fascinating, very very interesting. There's a
lot of analogies in there. Uh, you know, from from
the balance of of polarities, you know, the negative, the
negative of positive, the feminine the masculine. You know, there's

(58:27):
the question of why why was it that you know
that Eve was the one who you know who who
defied God and took the apple and and and had
had gotten sort of I guess you could say, hypnotized
by the serpent and and uh and followed through with that.
And it's a lot of that and from an from

(58:48):
just a pure, purely an analogy would say that that's
that's our creative side, our tendency to be creative, to
want to touch the boiling kettle to see if it's
really or not, and you know, and that that the
balancing of that is that other side of us that
is saying, you know, it's obvious that it's hot. You

(59:09):
can tell just by looking at it. You don't need
to touch it to find out if it's if that's
true or not, you know. But uh, and then then
then I know we're at the very end here. And
then that then the highest point of that is detaching
from both of those necessities to know or not know,
and to just be and allow the kettle to boil.
Let us do his thing, I'll do my thing, and

(59:31):
at the end of the day we'll have a nice
cup of tea, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, well, and you know, as we come up to
the end. Let's also not forget that, according to the Kabbala,
Eve didn't come first, y'all. That going the wrong way,
so let me fix that. But yeah, no, there there,
there there was actually you know, if you if you
study the Jewish mysticism stuff, there was a there was
a helpmate before Eve yeah, Lilith Adam didn't like very

(59:56):
much for very specific reasons. But we might get into
that another show. Because right, if I'm where can folks
find you?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
You can find me at I am korn Nemic, the
letter I, the letter M, and my name Kornymic across
almost all platforms. Or you can also find my YouTube
channel at korn Nemic TV and otherwise, you know, just
go and check out KLRN Radio and you can find
me through there too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
Hang out next. We've got more content coming to you
all night here on KLARM Radio. So as they used
to say before we got rid of the knobs, keep
it locked. My name is Robinson. You can find me
at right of VIC seventy three. You can follow along
with the network at KLARM Radio. And it has been
my pleasure speaking to you, mister Nimmick, and I will
see you again next

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Week, Yes, sir, I'm looking forward to it.