Corin's Reading Room Episode 8 -- The Philofophy of Fire Part 5

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Advised, and ladies and gentlemen, is that time again? Welcome

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into another fresh episode of Korn's Reading Room, hosted by
none other than Korin Nimmick, the man, Well, how you doing, sir?
How you doing?

Speaker 4 (02:45):
What's up? If I'm doing very well? I always laugh
when that lady comes on before the show and it's
like there will be some maybe some bad language and
things going on in this podcast, and it's just like,
who hired that? Who is that?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Actually her name is Leslie Daoud. She is our she's
our resident disclaimer.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Actually that's great.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Her reading is fantastic in that in that little moment. Uh,
but but on on on our our particular show here,
Rick and I will probably be limiting the amount.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Of well yeah, that that that disclaimers for me, not
you you you you you control your language really really well.
I however sometimes let if you slip through.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
That's great man. Well again. That opening music for anybody
who's curious, which I love. It always gets me in
the mood. Here is by Most Jackson and you can
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And that's it. He does all kinds of stuff. He

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produces groups as well, and and uh so it's not
just music for a podcast. So if you if you
need some music, check out Most. We are in the
throes almost halfway through of this wonderful book, The Philosophy
of Fire by R. Swinburne Climber, who is a Rosicrucian

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and philosopher and doctor was that is and this book
is just it's just fascinating to me. I love it.
And we're going to dive right back in. For those
of you who've been following the last number of episodes,
you know, Rick and I both decided, you know, why
not just finish this whole book because it's so damn good.

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But in this chapter here on page sixty nine, the
Sacred Fire or Flame of God. The first thing that
I've outlined here I'm only reading this stuff I outline
is this. And God's first spoken words were let there
be light, And there was light. The Nazarene was called
the light of the world because he came to dispel
the darkness that enshrouded the minds of men. It is

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danger for anyone to attempt to come into the presence
of God or the fire in which He may appear,
if such persons have not carefully and thoroughly prepared themselves.
Man may also live as to make it possible for
God to appear unto him and instruct him through the
medium of the light. If man attempts to rend the
veil and to come into the presence of God, or

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to draw unto himself the ineffable light before he is
fully prepared, death may be the result. Now I'll just
jump in there. I don't necessarily know if you're going
to spontaneously die by seeking out a direct line of
communication with the divine presence, But you know, I think

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What is suggested here is that what can potentially happen
is these ideas that we've been talking about if somebody
embraces them too quickly and potentially scratch the scratch the
surface of possible insanities. Or on varying degrees, some people

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get what's called, you know, like kind of a Jesus syndrome,
or you know, they they suddenly get get some type
of of epiphany out of out of reading or practicing
you know, meditative techniques and or reading these types of books,
and they have some epiphany and suddenly believe themselves to

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be the next the next coming of spiritual masters who
are supposed to lead the world into whatever is to
come from their their being. Now that could be true.
Here's one of those strange things, like, you know, anybody
who who has uh come to some kind of conclusion

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that that they have something, some special gift or something
that they need to deliver to the world that they
believe that the world needs. That's all well and good,
but just be prepared for the world not to want it,
and and and you have to you know, deal with that.
I think that that's that's where some some real frustrations

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can come into play for some people who go too
deep too quickly, is that the world ain't ready for
it necessarily yet. And uh, and that can that can
really cause some some depression, I believe, you know, when
when people elevate themselves maybe too quickly, or or even
by use of substances like M D M A or

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acid or psychedelic mushrooms or whatever other shortcut you're looking for. Uh,
those type of shortcuts, they can take you somewhere very quickly,
but also return you just as quickly back to the
old self. And there's there's a lot of danger in
playing with substances for spiritual advancement.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, speaking of the the psychedelic mushrooms, did you see
the study that came out a few months ago where
they are now postulating that the spark that created human
consciousness and actually elevated us to be what we are
today might have actually been early usage of psychedelic mushrooms.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Oh yeah, that's that that actually is is I don't
know what what article you read, but that's actually a
theory that's been around for for quite some time. I
think that that that theory may have been proposed first
in the early sixties. I'm not sure by whom, but
during that time period. But it's uh, but certainly that
that that could make some sense if if we're talking

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about the the the belief that kind of the Darwinian
theory of human evolution, that that we came from monkeys
to man, there could certainly be a connection there with
with early man foraging, finding psychedelic mushrooms, eating them, and

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then suddenly having some cosmic conscious experience you know that's otherworldly,
and then having to come back to to no normal
after the experience and tried to explain that in monkey
talk is probably not the easiest thing in the world.
At the same time, if you believe that that there
was a time period like an Atlantean empire, that there

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was a time period where man was was highly highly advanced,
and then there was a fall from that grace and
that man reverted back to his his more primordial state
and then found the the psychedelic mushrooms and then had
the cosmic experience and then started you know, changing things.
I mean, it's it's similar to the in this book

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The Cosmic Serpent that I read this, uh this, how
why is the word slipping my mind? Somebody who studies
mankind and and and human history and uh yeah, yeah,
an anthropologist. He went to go live with the Iowa Scerros,
the the Shamans who make the iahuasca and go on

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the spiritual trips and all of that. But he he
had gone down there, long story short, and he was
asking the the Iowaskiros, the Shamans, you know, how they
were able to figure out how to make this concoction
and how they were able to figure out all of
the other uh, positive benefits to to the human body
by by nature uh and by the natural world meaning

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plants and and whatnot. And and the the Shamans said, well,
the plants told us, and this is where we get
into the frequency thing that that as as you many
of you have probably seen that they have this new uh,
this new invention where you can connect these these like
electrodes to plants and things like that, and it will
play the vibratory uh, the the the energy given off

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by the plants will create tunes and and and and
melodies and so uh. If there is a radio frequency
that that we can tune into, uh in the plant kingdom,
for instance, if we can tune into that frequency that
they're giving off, then there's no reason why we can't
find out what it is that that plant has to offer,

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if anything, by communicating with the plant itself. So that
going back to what you were suggesting with the psychedelics
in the early evolution of man's consciousness, that there would
certainly be the potential of that opening up the communication
between the human consciousness and the plant world, or the

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animal kingdom, or the universal consciousness of all. So it
is an interesting theory and it has a lot of weight.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, I firmly believe that we used to be much
more connected to our environment than we are now.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
It's even reference in most scriptures because there was a time,
you know, during the Genesis creation story where Adam was
openly talking with animals, right, and they were communicating back
and forth. So I do firmly believe that we used
to be there are more connected to our environment than
we are now, which would explain some of that. I also,

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I often wonder, because I know that there's no real
time frame for Atlantis that I've been able to find.
The earliest reference that I've been able to find was
from Plato, and that was pre Christian as far as
I know, from the time I've been able to find
But I always go back to the Tower of Babel
story because if God is what we believed God to be,

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there had to be more to that story, because it
is you. You built. You built too tall of a building,
so I'm going to smite you. No, I think that
I think there was a lot more to that story
because we have much taller buildings now.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, well, you know, just just touch on that before
I dive back into this. You know, I in the
building of the Tower of Babel, you know what was it? Uh?
It wasn't Nebeker? Who did Who was the Tower of Babbel?

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It was.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Which king? Was it?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I thought it was?

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Was it? Okay? If it is, then then great. But uh,
but the point is it that that he had brought
in builders from all over the known world and they
didn't speak the same language, and so in the building
of the Tower of Babbel there was all this miscommunication, uh,
because there wasn't a common tongue. And and and if

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you if you just look at it from a logistics standpoint,
you know you're you're you're talking about a potential total
disaster down the road. If if it's not being built properly,
especially if he's trying to get it to the type
of heights that we have today with our skyscrapers and
everything else. I mean, it's uh uh So if if
they built it so, the tallest structure known to man

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at that time, if they built it up and then
suddenly it collapsed due to uh, due to the fact
that it wasn't built properly, that could be seen or
interpreted during that time period as being smited by God.
Uh And and then and thus we have you know,
the story. But no, I don't think that if that

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was the case, then God would have smited those those
buildings in Dubai a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
You would think, and we both said, corrected by the
way it was Nimrod.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Is Nimrod, That's what it was. Yeah, like Nimrod building,
Say of course, yes, of course I know that.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Jesus, yeahs is Genesis was viewed as a very mighty
person and eventually became an insult.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yes, exactly, you Nimrod. So let's dive right back. Yet
it goes here on page seventy three, and the Angel
of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of
fire out of the midst of a bush. And he
looked and behold the bush burned with fire, and the
bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now
turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush

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is not burned. The bush here has referenced to the
body and the physical man Moses, while the fire within
the bush represents the spiritual self of Moses, which had
become a living fire as a result of the process
of initial through which Moses had passed. And it was
this awakening or coming into the consciousness of the soul
of Moses which spoke to him with the voice of God.

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This was the illumination his becoming or attaining to sonship
with God. Put off thy shoes from off thy feet
commands us to give up all that is carnal, grossly material,
and destructive when we entered the closet and closed the
door for devotion, shoes being symbolic of these undesirable qualities
within us and emblematical of all that is material, earthly,

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and temporal. It's interesting when we were just talking about
that other subject about hallucinogens and whatnot. You know, there
is a theory that the that the burning bush was
a marijuana plant that he had set to fire and
was getting a little stoned off of the smoke from it,
and this was allowing that, you know, this communications that's

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one interesting theory. And then also the obviously the Mana
from Heaven, the Sacred Mana from Heaven. There's a theory
that this was a type of peyote button that appears
overnight on when when there's a frost. It's a type
of fungus that will appear overnight and it will die
off very quickly too, so you have to get it
right at the right moment. And it apparently exists around

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the Middle East. And that that the mono from Heaven
was also potentially a psychedelic So there's there. These theories
do exist across the board. Whether whether it's that or
or anything else, it doesn't really matter to me. I
think what what matters most is this idea that there

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is a direct connection that one can have with the
divine source of all things. You know, I am not
one who believes that anybody throughout biblical history who has
achieved this particular goal of a oneness with all is
not possible for all of us too, you know. But uh,

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but he goes on. It says the shekina or chicaina
was always surrounded with glory, that is the halo of light.
This is why all of the old writers and initiates
tell us that fire is a sphere wherein God dwells.
The chakaina is the spiritual force or the kind of

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angelic body, or the energy force of a spiritual being
that we give off kind of an aura type of
a thing. God being unchangeable forever one and the same,
that which he created must likewise be eternally the same.
Otherwise he would be a changeable God. And if changeable,
then he could not be an eternal God, since that

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which is everlasting and eternal must likewise be unchangeable. God
works through man in every rock, that is to say,
in every material body, there is hidden the fire which
may be brought into manifestation. This fire becomes the conscious
soul when the rock is struck, that is, when the
fl is transmuted and the spirit released. This is the

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work of initiation. You know. It just brings up for
me the the the idea when we were talking about, like,
you know, some primordial time period when humankind was at
one with let's say the beasts of the field right,

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that we were in our animal state before we achieved
a higher level of consciousness through whatever means. If that's
our history I was saying, is that that at some
point in time there was a perfected balance on planet Earth,
that if we just leave nature alone, nature will find
its own balance. It's guaranteed to That means. You know,

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sometimes there's like an abundance of deer, and then the
deer can start getting sick and causing there can be
diseases because there's too many deer. But if we've killed
off all of the deer's predators you know, wolves and
bears and whatever else, then of course the deers are
going to overpopulate. And you know, this is this is

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one of the things where man's intervention in things can
set in motion a series of events that can be
cataclysmic to the natural world. And that at some point
in prehistory there was that balance, and now that balance

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is gone. But we have the conscious capacity to vibe
with nature and figure out what is the best way
to create a future for humanity that also keeps in
mind the absolute balance of nature, you know, without causing
too much harm to I mean, what we're doing to

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our oceans and our river systems and our lakes is appalling.
It's absolutely appalling what we're doing to our environment. And
at some point, you know, there has to be a
type of a backlash or something from nature itself if

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we continue down this road, and I would not want
to see that happen. I think we have plenty of
time if humanity were to start now to clean it,
to clean it, clean up its act, that we could
find that balance. I'm talking like ten years. Man. You know,
we could literally if every every country on planet Earth
got together and said, Okay, the new war is clean

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up the environment. Figure out a way to work with
the environment. That's the new war, and everybody got on
board and we used all of our military resources to
clean up the environment, to clean up the oceans, to
clean up the river streams, lakes, you name it. I
think we could do that in such a short amount

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of time. It would shock the world. What do you think, I.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Mean, it would be possible. Problem is, I don't think
we're gonna get full world cooperation.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I mean, I know, I know, but I can imagine.
I can dream big.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I mean, yeah, I mean, we can all have that.
John Lennon moment here.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I don't want to have the final John Lennon moment though, pass.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah well well yeah we'll pass on that one. But yeah,
we can all have that imagine moment. But now, I mean, seriously,
I mean, it is a possibility. I mean, I think,
I mean. And one of the things that drives me
the most crazy, especially you know, when talking about it
on a global scale, is it's not like America hasn't
done a lot compared to how we used to live
versus how we live now to try to do the
best to take care of our environment. What drives me

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crazy is when nobody wants to take into account that
our environment is a closed system. So all we've done
is we've cleaned up our continent as much as we
can while shipping everything to the other side of the
world that we still do to supposedly pollute the environment,
not realizing that it's a closed system. So it's all
eventually gonna wind up coming back.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Basically, we end up with Thanksgiving dinner that everybody shows up,
everybody eats, everybody makes a mess, and then ninety percent
of the people who came leave before it's time to
do Dishesmy.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
The only one that gets really annoyed by that. For
the longest time, my wife and I hosted Thanksgiving dinners
and I was I was like, after one year, if
there was one year, I just said, that's it. We're
not doing it anymore. We will I will rent somewhere.
If it's neutral territory. Everybody stays to help clean. If
it's not, you're right. But if you rent somewhere and they're, oh,

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this isn't your house, okay, we'll help you clean it up.
Where were you four years ago?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I love it. So it goes on here at page
seventy six. The few would and do enslave and govern
the many, and freedom is a word that has lost
its meaning. Soon another Moses must arise, who will lead
the multitudes not to a new promised land, but to
the altar of God, where they will be filled with
a new curve ridge and a strength capable of shattering

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the shackles which bind them. Now, when Solomon made an
end of praying, the fire came down from heaven and
consumed the burnt offering and sacrifices, and the Lord and
the glory of the Lord filled the house. I'm not
sure why I exactly underlined that little bit, But I
think it just means that now, now, when Solomon had
made an end of praying, the fire came down from

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heaven and consumed the burnt offering and sacrifices, and the
glory of the Lord filled the house, you know. And
and and as an analogy, the higher self conquers the
lower self. You know that the the offering and the
sacrifice is of our own lower selves on the altar
of God, which is, in my opinion, is the conscious mind.

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And so in the mind, the mind, as as having
some type of of substance to it, becomes the the altar.
The old self, that that that person that that we've
become through programming and through experience and and everything else
has to be laid upon that alter and sacrificed in

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order for us to experience the true divine nature of
the spiritual being within. And I think that's kind of
the analogy there. So I wrote a little side note
next to it. But through the symbolism that there is
in the living light, which is the last exalted show
of fluent or of inflamed brilliant matter passing off into

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the unknown and unseen world of celestial light, toward which
all the forms of things tend, and in which even
the idea itself passes from recognition as meaning, evolves, springs
up as all flame does, to escape and to wing
away heavenward Vesta the spirit of fire, which was generally
worshiped in circular temples, which was which sorry vespa. The

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spirit of fire was generally worshiped in certain temples, which
were images or the miniatures of the Temple of the
World and its dome or cope of stars. God, then,
being accustomed to appear in fire, and being conceived to
dwell in fire, the belief spread and was gradually universally accepted.
Since God appeared to man in light, in clouds of light,

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or in fire, it was only natural that they should
conceive the idea that He dwelt within the flame, and
to build their religious concepts on this demonstrated idea. The
pyramidal or triangular form which fire assumes in its ascent
to heaven is in the Monolithic typology used to signify

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the great generative power as the commemorative or reminding shape
of fire. The Pyramids of Egypt, light or fire. In
the first instance, it is the highest symbolization of God
or cosmic soul, the cosmic light, and the substance through
which the world is peopled, all of these essence, all
these essences of the light or fire being basically the same.

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In the second instance, we must bear in mind that
the mass can recognize and understand only gross manifestation love,
as poets see it and prophets understand. It is something
that only women and children can feel, its gross exemplification,
the carnal passions, that is something which all men can understand.
The debasement of passion, the carnal manifestation of what is

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called love, has brought about the debacle of wholesale slaughter
we are witnessing during the present century, and this will
continue until such time as humanity awakens to the olden
truths and raises its spirit to the high altar of worship.
That's the end of that particular chapter. I think that

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what's being suggested here is that change ultimately can't happen
on a global scale until individually we all start to
have this awakening within ourselves, a type of spiritual awakening
that doesn't allow for us to be psychologically manipulated anymore

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by by our so called overseers, you know. And uh
that that awakening is difficult because I mean, from my
recollection of growing up, I was never really I mean, yes,
there was still God in school, at least at that time.
There was still you know, a prayer in the beginning
of the day in elementary school, in junior high or

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middle school. And that you know, there was the pledge
of allegiance, which adds to the patriotic feeling of school
and and the and and the group conscious and all
of that. And but now it's it's it's been pretty
much stripped away completely. And uh. And and to try
and come to a conclusion that that we are infinite

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spiritual beings, that that that have godlike potential, that's hard
to recognize if you've never been taught anything even remotely
close to that. If all you've been taught is the
dialectic materialism of the world today, then what resources do

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you have at your disposal to even make sense out
of out of of of an inspired moment or thought.
It would just to me, it seems like it would
just be looked at as like, Eh, what the hell
is that? Well, that was weird, you know, and then
move on and just keep being the same meat body
with you know, who's totally addicted to their emotions and

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their and their reactive nature and no longer open to
being able to see things from from a higher plane.
If I'm making any sense.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Now, I mean you are. You are making sense because
this is something else that I've been kind of struggling
with again for from the counseling perspective, because there's been
plenty of people that I've been talking to lately that
once they find their way into grief, they can't find
their way out of it. They live in it, and
then at that point they start feeding off of it
because they're so used to feeling that way that if

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they don't feel that way, they can't recognize how it
is that they feel. So in the reverse, when you
have those moments that can be epiphany like moments that say, hey,
this was a spiritual moment. This was the universe trying
to get my attention, or God trying to get my attention.
If you don't have a way to interpret it, it's
kind of like being in Japan and trying to read

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the road signs. If you don't know where you're going,
you can't read the sign to tell you where you're
supposed to go, unless you've got those new translator classes
that are all over the TV.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Oh that's cool, you can get some spiritual translator glasses.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, that's kind of it. You have to have at
least the beginnings of some form of I say, primer
one of the hosts I work with sys primer of
how to interpret those things. And if you haven't been
taught that, sometimes finding it on your own is scary.
And I say this all the time. This thing, this
thing right here is more computing power and more information

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at our fingertips than was used to send people to
the moon or put astronauts in orbit. And yet even
though we have access to all that information, most of
us don't really know how to use it. We spend
all of our time doom scrolling and watching cute videos
on TikTok instead of realizing, Hey, I can actually teach
myself things and learn at my own pace. And to me,

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that's kind of where the awakening really starts is when
you realize one of the things that you need to
come to terms with as not only a human creature
but a spiritual being is you can't ever stop learning
the moment you stop learning is the moment you die.
And you can see this even with people that retire,
because when they stop doing anything, within months, they're they're sick,

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and they just start fading away. And I've seen it
over and over again with people that I work with,
because there's nothing inspiring them anymore, there's nothing keeping them
engaged anymore. So that's the one thing that I that
I will say is do everything you can to make
sure that you are learning something new every single day.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Yeah, it's interesting you say that, Rick, Go ahead, finish
your finish your thought first. No.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
No, And that's all I was going to say, because
that is one of the first keys, is when you
realize that you are you are a creature that must
be constantly learning, then it helps you start to understand
some of the very things that you are able to.
You know, when you have those moments, you're like, oh,
that's what that was for, and file it away and

(31:47):
work on it later when you have time and kind
of reflect on it, et cetera. And I mean the
same thing happens in the natural realm. People remark all
the time about how quickly I can just make some
sort of you know, either pull up some sort of
anecdote thing or say something funny, and I'm like, dude,
I've been doing live broadcasting for seventeen years. You learn
to think on your feet, so it's the same.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Thing you need to learn to think on your butt. Well,
I said, corrected, I sit corrected. Is that what you said? Yes? Yeah,
I was gonna say that. You know the way that
the way that we that were programmed. Now, you know,
once you get into that that old the older age
of programming, when okay, now now I have to get

(32:29):
a job, I have to go into the workforce. I
have to learn to do something. And then you become
that thing and you live that that the life of
that thing, doing doing whatever it is that that you've
you've chosen to do. Let's just say, okay, you've you've become,
you know, a coal digger, you know what I mean.

(32:49):
But you're the best damn coal digger out there, and
you've spent your life digging this coal and making things go.
And then suddenly you hit retirement and they're like, you're
too old to dig coal. We don't need you anymore. Goodbye, Jim. Well,
you know we'll see you at the funeral. It's you
know that if all you've had your whole life, you know,
your whole adult life is is the reward of being

(33:14):
this thing, this cold digger, that's it. That's all I've done.
And now you don't have that anymore, and you've never
looked outside of that for something else, then it'll be
a devastating blow to the being to have that stripped away.
And that's why I think it's important to always at
least on the sidelines, have your spiritual spine following you,

(33:37):
you know, up the field, so that if you do
happen to fumble the ball, you can look over and
your spiritual spine is at least right there on the
sidelines with you and not way way way far in
the back.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
You know. Yeah, you're you're looking around your spiritual spines like, dude,
you left me an Albuquerque. I can't help you anymore.
But no, I mean, it is one of those things.
This is something that I tell people all the time,
because we all take well I won't say all, but
a lot of us take jobs. Because in my case,
after what happened to me, I started a security company

(34:11):
and then the economy crashed, and after building that for
eleven years, I had to come to terms with the
fact that it was dying. I took a job I
wound up hating, but it turns out I was fairly
good at it. I've done all kinds of customer service
work through phone and management and training and all the
other things. Even though I thought I was gonna hate it,
turns out I was pretty good at it. But one
of the things that's kept me saying is starting to

(34:32):
learn how to do things like this. Everything that I
do I have taught myself how to do. I've had
no formal training. I've not gone through any type of
broadcast school or anything else. But it's part of what's
kept me saying. And the one thing that I will
say is as a spiritual being, you do have to
have some form of creative outlet. Whether it's learning how
to take things apart and put them back together, whether

(34:53):
it's learning how to whether it's learning how to draw, paint,
sing you know, going on nature walks can be a
creative exercise because you're not only exercising your body, but
you're giving your soul or your spirit and outlet. Find
something that you are passionate about and use even if
it's ten to fifteen minutes a day of your spare

(35:13):
time toward that thing. So when there is an inevitable change,
you have something else that you can do to keep
yourself occupied, and then maybe you can use that to
learn know how to do other things. I mean, I'm
you know, I'm still amazed and astounded that I'm I mean,
I'm not really sitting across from him, but I'm doing
a podcast with someone that I have looked up to
for a very very long time, who I've seen grown

(35:35):
up on TV. And I'm like, I do a podcast
with Corn Freakin Mimic and Buddy. I Like, I mean, seriously,
I mean, my friends are getting tired of me pointing
it out because I'm like, you know, I do a
show with him, right shuts.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
It's interesting you meant that about the nature thing again.
A selfless plug in the book Creating a Character for
the Stage or Life, which is out on lul l
u l u dot com. Just look up my name
or look up the title of the book and you'll
find it in my acting class with my teacher.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Search because dude has like a million scripts in there too.
It'll take you forever.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yes, it's it's creating a character for the stage of your life.
But my teacher Monu Tupo, who who I studied with
at the American American Repertory Company UH in Los Angeles
for about fifteen years. UH. It was his technique, the
new era acting technique that this book is based on.
But he had an exercise that he would require of
our of the class called the Communion with Nature. And

(36:34):
the requirement was that we we take up a pad
of paper and a pen and you know, no cell phones, know,
nothing like that. Just you just well when I started
his class, there weren't really cell phones. So but anyway,
you go out into nature and you don't bring your pager.
You go out into nature and you uh and and
you find a place that's that's as safe as can be,

(36:54):
because we don't want to you know, get eaten by
bears or gators or whatever else. But you know, someplace
that that is of the natural world. Even if if
all you have is a local park, find a place
in the park that's isolated from you know, from from
the majority of the people there. Find near some trees,
near some plant life, near something, and then you just
sit there and you commune with nature. You commune with

(37:16):
the tree that's in front of you, You commune with the
plants that are around you, with the insects that are
flying or crawling, with the you know, with that, and
then and try and decipher what is this nature trying
to communicate back to me. And you're writing down in
your book this experience, and then you come back and
you share what the experience was with with our teacher,

(37:38):
and our teacher could tell how far out of present
time you were by how you experienced your your your
commune with nature. But but there is his whole point
behind that is that we've lost touch with that communication
that that when we were talking about it, I think
in the last episode, but we you know when we've
lost or maybe earlier in this episode. But when you've

(37:59):
lost that that that communication with nature, that's like when
you know, let's say you have a big, beautiful tree
in your front yard is just gorgeous, but you know,
some of the branches hang over your house. And this
tree has been there for two hundred, three hundred, four
hundred years, but damn those branches. If one falls off,
it could destroy my house. The best choice to make

(38:20):
here is to cut down the tree. You know what
I mean, you're obviously not communitting with nature, because that
tree would say, that's a terrible idea. Do you know
how long I've been here? Do you know how long
I've been growing? Do you know how you know? Beautiful
I am and and all that, and and figure out
another way to me?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Trees like trees, just like, can we maybe just not
trim back the branches a little bit?

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Real?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Come on, we gotta down.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I've seen some just on that note, I've seen it's
not the it's not it's not the best looking fixed
for this because of the way it kind of looks
in you ard. But I've seen a number of people
do stilts for for the branches. So they'll put a
big metal pole or or or a big wooden pole
or whatever up underneath the branch and create kind of

(39:04):
like a U shaped, you know, resting place for that branch,
and then it can never go lower than that, so
you know, when the wind is blowing, when there are storms,
it will hit that and that will keep it steady
and sturdy. And it doesn't look that great from you know,
when you're looking at it, but it's a solution.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
It's just something well it's well, it's definitely a solution.
I mean, and if you're if you're you're more worried
about the tree than you are your aesthetics, then it's
a great solution.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
But I'm always more worried about the tree myself. Personally.
I get into bates debates my wife about some of
the trees in our front yard that she'd like to
have removed for that very reason, And I'm like, no.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, but damn, is that because you're you're trying to
save the tree or you just don't want to do
the word.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Well, I couldn't cut down these trees. These are some
monster trees or some old oaks, but I would feel
I feel horrible cutting one down. Hear them scream, you
don't understand? How do they feel?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Pain?

Speaker 4 (40:05):
We know this now, dude, do you know that?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I do have to admit I have had way too
much fun with that fact with some vegan friends of
mine that aren't friends of mine anymore. That got really nasty.
I'm like, dude, because they used to like try to
foist the whole vegan thing on me all the time.
I'm like, dude, I eat vegetables too, I just prefer
some meat like, but but it had a face, and
I'm like, don't get mad just because my lunch eats

(40:29):
your lunch.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
And besides, you have eyes, don't they And.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Your lunch feels pain too.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
That's right. The carrot screams as loud as the pig.
You just can't hear it.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
The funny thing is, I think it was the Tales
from the Dark Side episode. Do you remember that episode
where they like people got hooked up to this machine
and they were trying to lose weight, and like they
would open the refrigerator and suddenly all the food would
come to life and it would scream and yell and
be like, do what eat us? And I'm like, dude,
that that was almost prophetic because I don't think we
knew at that time that and actually respond to stimuli

(41:01):
in the way that they can.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
That's great. We're going to dive into the next chapter
since we're on it. It's called the next chapter is
called the Philosophy of Fire, and which is the name
of the book. And this chapter, I guess, is going
to help us understand that a little bit better. But
it starts out at the top here the Philosophy of Fire,
the mystery of the flame underlies the secret doctrine and

(41:26):
the ancient mysteries, and is the foundation upon which rests
the occult fraternities and esoteric tradition or esoteric, depending on
how you pronounce it. We teach that the deity dwells
within the cryptic portals of the luminous worlds, and that
the lamp that lights it, that lights it, is supreme love.
No power ever comes to man through the intellect. Goodness

(41:48):
alone is power, and that that pertains to the heart only.
Hence that power comes to the soul only through love,
not lust, mind you, but love, the underlying rimal fire,
life subtending the basis of being, the formative, flowing floor
of the world, the true sensing, which is the beginning

(42:10):
of the road to personal power. Deity dwells within the
shadow behind the everlasting flame, the amazing glories of which
minds have confounded with the very God. We declare all things,
especially the human soul, to be a form of fire.
That man is not the only intelligence in nature, but
that there are and the aerial spaces around with multiform intelligence,

(42:33):
having their conscious origin in the ether, as man has
his in matter. God, the soul of the universe is
positive heat, celestial file fire, The aura of deity is love,
the prime element of all power, the external fire sphere,
the informing, informative pulse of matter. Who hath most love?

(42:53):
Whoso hath most love hath therefore most of God or
the cosmic spirit, the element of time only being necessary
to the perfection or refinement of this love and to
spiritual essence. You know what what that just reminds me of.
You know, God is love, is this idea. But it's difficult,
I think for many to to comprehend this idea for

(43:17):
obvious reasons, because the world is such a violent place,
and so much evil happens in the world. Uh in
in in, at least in the human kingdom. You know
that that it'd be It would be difficult for me
too without having some semblance of background and understanding of
the concept that that that's true because for all intents

(43:40):
and purposes, if God created everything, that God created the
evil as well as the good. But I don't see
that as being the case. I think it's the the
when we talked about earlier this you know that there
is there is creative energy, and in all things are
filled with this creative energy, This this force, that's that's
the background und energy behind all that exists. And it's

(44:04):
up to us to decide. That's why we have free
will to decide what do we want to do with
this creative energy. Do we want to use this creative
energy for destructive purposes? Or do we want to use
this creative energy for creative purposes? And and when you
when you get into this this kind of idea that
cosmic consciousness is pure love and that that that the

(44:27):
universal consciousness or God is pure love radiating, it makes
sense because if you leave everything alone, if you don't
try to engage in any one decision or the other,
and stay out of the outcome of things, generally speaking,
you know, the outcome will be fine. You know what

(44:49):
I mean. It's it's it's it's when we have our
meddling tendencies in the human world to want to change
and alter and twist and and and and shape the
environ to be what's easiest for us to live with,
the outcome, generally speaking, is a mess. And we talked
in one of the really early episodes, you know where

(45:10):
they've built these freeways across America. They cut right through
these very rural areas, and it's just absolute carnage along
the road. Every animal you can imagine is just dead,
run over, guts all over. It's a it's a site
that should be horrific to us, but we're so desensitized.
You know, when we drive down a country road, it's like, oh,
there's another dead deer. Oh there's a dead raccoon, Oh

(45:32):
there's a dead possible well, without any consideration of coming
up with some means of design that can both get
us where we need to go and allow for nature
to have a safe path over or under this road.
Nature is smart enough to figure out that if you
build it a bridge, it will use the bridge instead

(45:54):
of crossing the freeway. It will over time, these animals
will figure it out. They are smart enough, and it's just,
you know, it's just that's That's just kind of my
point is that, you know, we choose not to use
the that that universal resonance of love. We choose to

(46:15):
ignore that when it comes to creating our futures as
the human race in many respects.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well, I think that can also stem from other problems
with the concept of love, though too, because the English
language is very nondescript when it comes to what love
actually means. Very several other languages have a lot of
different words to encompass the different types of love, like
the friendship love, the romantic love, the I love you
no matter what kind of love. And then there's also

(46:44):
the point where when you start talking about the universal
consciousness being love, it's not just about an emotion, it's
about a choice. There is something that has decided to
love you no matter what, doesn't matter what you do,
doesn't matter how bad you screw up. You may not
get exactly factly what it wants to give you, depending
on what you're doing and depending on what your current
belief patterns are, but it still loves you no matter what.

(47:07):
And that that is something that I don't think translates
well to humans, because we make these vowels and things
that we well, this is forever, and then five minutes later,
it's not forever anymore because we're not making the choice anymore.
For humans, love is more of the infatuation phase of
a relationship. It's it's the moment those butterflies are gone,

(47:29):
the moment that person doesn't make your heart skip a beat,
they're not worth your time anymore, and to me, I
never really, I just I don't understand that because even
with my kids, there are times when I want to
murder my children, but I still love them. So because
it is, it is, and it does and it becomes

(47:50):
a choice. But it's about your mindset. But that also
is coming to an understanding of there is something bigger
than you. There's something greater than you that has chosen
and to put you into existence. So probably because there's
things that you decided before you were ever created that
you needed to learn. That's something else that I've been
looking into it all. We all seem to have this

(48:13):
kind of predestination paradox thing coming on with creationism, where
apparently we've already decided what it is that we need
to learn during this hamster will experience, and unfortunately, because
we don't communicate well enough with our spiritual self, we
don't know what it is. And we're like bumping around
like a blind man wearing a blindfold and ear muffs.

(48:34):
Yeah totally can't see already anyway, but let me put
the blindfold on. And oh, by the way, let's let's
make it where you can't hear either. And I think,
I think.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
If they want to become a Jedi knight. That's the
that's the first thing you have to do.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Was I the only one who wanted to be one
of those when I was a kid. But I I
have to admit, and I've talked about this before, if
this kind of stuff exists, I am glad that we
don't just have the ability to tap into an instantaneously
because and I've said this before, and I think I
think I've said it on this very show. If I
had had the ability to you know, because we talked

(49:08):
about this in the last episode. You know that when
when you're the guy with all the answers, nobody's ready
for it. Just look at the guy they put on
the cross. But if I would have had the ability
that he is prescribed to have had, where I could
have just basically pulled myself off the cross and smote
all my enemies, I can't promise I wouldn't have done that.
I'm just saying. So it's probably a good thing that

(49:30):
it takes some spiritual development to start tapping into these things,
and some of the I think the smallest ways it
starts to present itself. If you if you'll learn to listen,
is we all kind of have an intuition if you'll
learn to listen to it and yes, and to me,
one of the things that I've noticed is I have
dejau vous a lot. And what I have come to

(49:53):
determine over the years is when I have one of
those deja vu moments, it's it's only a reminder that
I am on the ath that I'm supposed to be on,
depending on what it's showing me, or that it's trying
to warn me that something bad is about to happen.
I don't know about you, but I always cringe every
time I have. You ever have one of those dreams
where you're wrecking your car?

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Listen, I have. I have some crazy dreams. My dreamscape
is absolutely surreal. I'm sure that I've dreamt about crashing
a car in my day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Well, the problem is usually within a month or so
of me dreaming about crashing a car, especially if I
have this dream more than once, I usually crash a car.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Well, maybe you should start taking taxes.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I'm ready to do the whole self self driving Tesla things,
so at least that way, when it wrecks, it's not
my fault.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I didn't do it exactly who's the car? Yeah, how
do you how do you ticket somebody in a self
driving car if it does something illegal?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Well, that's one of the things, because you know they
did this the other day, Like the newest series of
Tesla has just started rolling off and the the cool
actually drove itself cross country to get to the owner's driveway.
And I'm like, so, what happens if the car does
something in transit? Who's responsible Tesla or the owners?

Speaker 4 (51:11):
And will and will that that that car pull over
if the police are behind it? Uh?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
But not at all.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Car Chase Car Chase with it with with a with
a self driving Tesla live on uh Fox News.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. They've actually they've they've passed
laws here in the cities around here where they're gonna
start letting the self driving cars be robo taxis. If
I had the money, I'd buy three or four of
those things and just let them run all the time
and just make me money. While I don't know the.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Inn La because they keep burning those things.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Well you know, I mean it's La.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
So we're getting we're getting up on the hour. I'm
gonna dive back into this chapter. There's some juicy stuff.
Here it says the whole world must be purified by
this fire, the intensity of true love for the new
dispense station. When we recall the fact that fire as
heat is the basis of life, we will comprehend that
love really is and what it may do for us

(52:10):
and the whole of human of the human family. All
the highest, purest and exalted thoughts lead up to the
manifestation of the creative forces as the Alpha and the Omega,
at once the beginning and the end of both desire
and fulfillment. It holds within itself the whole divine statement
of being, and God said, let there be light, and
there was light. Life and death are in it, the

(52:32):
outpouring and the ind drawing. Verily the kingdom of heaven.
The power of God lies within us for the transmission
of life. Without life, there could be no creation without creation,
no bodies or temples for the souls. The laurel wreath
around the head not only mark out the line and

(52:54):
denoted the place of the organ of the highest intellectual
and godlike faculties in the brows of the human being,
but proved the knowledge of the ancients of phrenology and
the represent and represented the original starry radius, that which
symbolically invested the head of all gods. It speaks the
spirit flamed radius, magnetic and supernatural, intensifying to its real

(53:19):
micro magico generative. Well, he's got some words in here,
magico generative power. In a circle of intolerable light about
the head. In this mystic light, all magic and sorcery,
as well as all sainthood, was supposed possible by the
early Rosie Crucian in importance with the laws of supernatural fireworld.

(53:41):
Just real quick, the sacred circle of the intellect within
which may be realized the terrify, terrifically grand very apprehension
of God himself. I'm sorry, I'm losing my mind here. Basically,
what I what I'm getting out of this, I mean,
the idea of the loral reef is that that, uh
that it's a repres it's kind of representing that the

(54:04):
zodiac as well. You know this, this this ringed uh,
this this ringed crown. You know you could say, uh
that that when we are at our highest peak of
of cosmic enlightenment, that that becomes our our laurel reef,

(54:27):
the entirety of of the revolving cosmos, you know, and
and when we join in in union with this uh,
with this this higher supernatural force again, you know, we
suddenly have that aha moment of wow, so I can
I can use this power for good or evil? So

(54:50):
you know, when when when one comes to an understanding,
it's sort of like a hypnosis. You know, if you're
a hypno therapist, you have this hour to put people
under a spell essentially, and you can manipulate them, uh,
their their their consciousness, you know, you can manipulate their minds.

(55:10):
And then when you bring them out of that spell,
they may or they may behave some way that they
didn't originally behave beforehand. My my, my point behind this
is that you know, we we we are all under
a state of constant hypnosis where we're being you know,
programmed to you know, to believe a certain way or

(55:31):
to think a certain way, behave a certain way for
certain reasons. When if if we can let go of
all of that, that those preconceived notions and strip ourselves
down to to our our most primordial state, which is
just spirit, consciousness, matter, the universe and just what is

(55:54):
our relationship to that and just be in that that
that place as much as we can be, then our
actions won't be filtered through such a thick layer of programming.
You know, our actions and behaviors will be based on
what we know to be the best thing for us

(56:16):
to do for not only ourselves but everyone else around us.
It'll just be a knowingness. It won't even matter. And
and and you know, in some sense, I mean we
could we could take it to the extreme and say, okay,
you have you know, you found out that you know
that the next door neighbor has been taking advantage of
your children or something something horrific like that, I know,

(56:41):
a deep analogy. But if that's the case, and you
know that the judicial system isn't going to, you know,
take care of this person the way that they should
be taken care of, is it the right thing to
do to take the law in your own hands and
delete this person from existence, you know, and then end
up putting yourself behind bars for the rest of your

(57:03):
life in order to get rid of this other particular person.
So I'm saying it's like that may seem like the
like the right thing to do, especially if if the
judicial system isn't going to to give just punishment. It
may be I'm not saying to do that by any
stretch of the imagination. I don't know what I would
do under those circumstances. But but you know, there there is,

(57:25):
there is justice that has to be served by man
at certain times in order to set things straight. I
do believe that.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Well, I'm not I'm not gonna promote anything, but we
do have a a a podcast about that kind of stuff,
and she's promoted. She's a she's a god landing pigs
and hogs. So yeah, things, things can be made to disappear.
And you know, when you're talking about if you're going

(57:56):
to spend the rest of your life in jail on,
I'm going say about that is one somebody's mess when
my kids, in my estimation, that's going to be worth it.
And too that's only if I get caught.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I dig that, dude. I like,
I like your style. Uh, you know, but it is
one of those things where it's like, you know, at
a certain point, I know that that's an extreme example,
you know, but but sometimes you have to make an
extreme example in order to to you know, to spark
an understanding. But that you know, there are times in

(58:25):
life that I do believe that that we have to
make tough decisions, you know, with with how we deal
with with with people, places, and things, depending on on
what are the environmental or or or emotional, or spiritual
or or or cultural impacts of whatever that thing is.
You know, uh, you know, if it's an evil person,

(58:45):
if it's an evil invention, if it's an evil law,
if it's a whatever it is. You know that there
there is a certain point where I do think that
it is we can't just sit aside and let things be.
There are times life when we have to stand up
and take action and do what you know, what we
know spiritually is the right thing to do, even though

(59:09):
it may cause us great tribulation in the physical universe
by taking such actions. You know.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Well, I mean, as a prime example, what did we
just celebrate last Friday?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Mmm? What was it? What do we celebrate fourth of July?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Oh, the fourth of July? That's right, of course, Jeez,
why didn't I think of that.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I'm just saying, that's one of those things where, you know,
if if it's one of those because you know, we're
we're always thought go along to get along. If we
had done that, we wouldn't be We wouldn't have just
celebrated America.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah, we wouldn't have the constitution and and and uh
and and as far as uh, you know, uh planetary
agreements go uh from country to country. There there is
no place on earth that has a constitution like we
have here in the United States of America, that that
that gives us the that protects our rights and freedoms

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the way that that that ours does. There's not I
don't think that there is another one that's that they
can hold a flame to it. I know we're up
on the hour right now, and that's a nice patriotic
place to end off. But you know, please please follow
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Maybe we all have long lives and do the right thing.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Bye, everybody.