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Speaker 1 (02:36):
I am Rick Robinson. Welcome into another episode of Korn's
Reading Room and now Here. He is himself, the man,
the myth, the legend. Come on down, mister Korn mimixer,
and eventually I'll put us on the right screen. There
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Speaker 2 (02:53):
What's up, body, I'm rocking the Dirty Sanchez today. I
noticed I'll probably be shaving this after this.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, yeah, I'm sure in the way that looks, I'm
sure kind of got a little bit of a Kevin
Bacon vibe going on right now. Not gonna lie. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I've been told that I just don't think that I had. Yeah,
I don't have that. I don't think I have the
potato on the end of my nose like he does.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But well, I will say it was more pronounced when
you leaned into the cameras, So maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Gave me that. Yeah, yes, exactly, Yeah, your nose.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
A little bit as you got closers, so maybe that's
what it was.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Totally. Well, hello everybody, and h quick. Thank you to
Carolin Radio k l r N Radio for hosting the show,
and thank you to most Jackson for the wonderful intro music.
You guys can look up most m. O. S. E.
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And well, we're still on the same book as those
of you who've been tuning in.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It is The Philosophy of Fire by our Swinburn Climber.
He is a rosicrusier and a philosopher and was a
doctor as well back in the day. It's a fascinating
book and I'm happy to spend this much time on
it because me and Rick have been having such a
good time talking about it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Dude, it has been fun. I said this isn't normally
something that I would have picked up on my own,
So so thank you for the exposure because I actually,
I have to admit I haven't. I've been using the
kindle version because it was cheaper, but I have a
paperback version of it coming now because I'm not I'm
not paying what they want for the hardcovers.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yes, the hardcover is a little it's it's it's a
little pricey, but you know it goes to a good cause.
So yeah, well we'll just dive in. Man. You know again,
for those of you who haven't seen any of these episodes,
I don't read the whole book. I just read excerpts
parts of the book that I've I've underlined and thought
were interesting. And although I haven't read this book in
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a number of years, it's fun to go back through
and pick up on the areas that I underlined and
see why I thought they were interesting. But we'll just
dive right in. Here. We are on page ninety four
at this time in the hardback copy, and it says
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man's very being, that is the laws by which he
and his mind exist, shuts him up, as it were,
within himself, as in a prison, all his knowledge of
things come from the light shining within its prison. It's
his mind. Within that radius, the light is perfect, and
he himself is perfect. This was the faith taught by
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those Persians who believed in the one universal groundwork of light,
the soul, the cosmic light, the ultimate principle of everything
to be known, which is the religion of the Magi
or Zoroster, the Middle Age of European Bohemians, the remains
of whose fire palaces or fire temples are yet to
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be seen, crumbling indeed into their own God light around
the revered and time battered as well as war battered Prague,
So that would be the old Austro Hungarian Empire. There
man is the center to himself in his mind, shining
as in his castle and prison of body. The forceful
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outer day, the god of the universe circle of things,
once in its violent inquest, fixed cranny and penetrating, would
annihilate the temporary possessor of the tenement and absorb all
within that is himself, to itself, laws, to light, organism,
to broad being, until reincorporated, that is concrete. I know
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that sounded really confusing, but you know what I'm what
I've gotten out of this and what I what I
seem to understand out of this, especially in the first
cup of paragraphs there where I had some uh some
highlighted areas, is just that, you know, the mind is
kind of like a prison in a sense. And and
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I would say that without other people around, without other
uh minds around to communicate with, it would be a
very uh a very lonely place to exist, I would think.
And uh, I think that anyone who spent enough time
in solitude knows. I mean, I know I I enjoy
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my solitude very much, sometimes too much, but uh but
I think that that you know, too much time there,
we just get we get trapped in our own in
our own ideas of of of things and and who
we think we are especially and what we think of
the world around us. But uh, you know, I the
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escaping of the prison of the mind, I think is
kind of in like the letting go of the necessity
to to be obsessed with it, you know, to be
obsessed with who we think we are and uh what
what we what we think we're doing here on this
planet and and and these kind of these kind of
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concepts just like I don't know, you know, Rick It's
just I feel like we all learn who we are,
you know, based on how we grow up and what
we're taught. And then somewhere inside of all of that programming,
there's kind of an innate sense of self and and
some people's innate sense of self is is is stronger
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than others. And uh, you know that that. I think
that that programming that we've been talking about, that we've
we've endured our whole lives up to present time, is
part of what makes that that mind a kind of
of a prison. And then how do we break out
of that prison?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I think that that, uh, that escape is it
has to be done by spiritual means, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Well, I mean, well part of it. And this is
kind of where some of this can be a double
ed swort thing, because part of how you start finding out,
you know, especially if you don't have one of those
you know, strong personal mindsets, part of how you start
finding out who you are is through being alone. That's
one of the reasons why a lot of the religions
teach about meditation, time alone, all those things, because and
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trust me, it can be hard sometimes. I mean I
have I am just now after my divorce almost five
years ago at this point just now able to be
alone with my thoughts without internally trying to spend out
and having to get control again, because you know, I
was with the same person for almost eighteen years. So
the problem the problem with that is is, and I
think this is where we're coming into a lot of
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these other things, is when you have a lot of
time on your own or time alone, instead of being
introspective and fight and fighting through those things and facing them,
we do things like doom scrolling and stuff instead. So
then most of the time when we do have those
few moments of what could be solitude, we're usually dealing
with other things that we haven't actually addressed yet. So
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I think there again, there needs to be balanced. Too
much time alone can be a bad thing. Enough time
alone can actually help you figure out who you are
and actually stop worrying about things like keeping up with
the jones Is or oh, I have this great, wonderful
calling that I have to do. And I'm not saying
either one of those things is necessarily a bad thing,
but again, there has to be balance.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, there's got to be balanced there. There's totally gotta
be balanced it says here says not Buddha, but the
later Buddhists taught that spirit light was the floor or
basis of all created things, the material side or complement
of this spiritual light being fire, into which element all things,
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into which element all things could be rendered, and which
fire or heat was the motive of all things that existed.
They taught that matter or mind as the superflux, as
the sum of sencettions, or as natural and unreal shows
of their various kinds, was piled as layer on layer
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or tissue on tissue on this immutable and immortal floor
or groundwork of divine flame, the soul of the world.
You know again, you know, this book is a bit
it's a bit heavy, it's a bit thick. But what
what what I'm what I glean from this is that
you know, behind all created things there is a spark,
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you know, a force, an an electricity, a magnetic energy,
whatever you want to call it. You know that that
that that is that manifests everything. I mean, it's an
interesting concept. I know. We may have talked about the
superstring theory in one of our early early episodes. Uh,
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but in in superstring theory, which is you know, kind
of quantum mechanics and and uh. In theoretical physics, it's
a it's the theory that when you get to the
tiniest particle known to man, although they can't prove this
because it's so small they can't see it. It's only
a mathematical equation at this point, but that the tiniest
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particle is just a loop of energy, and depending on
the vibratory tone of that energy, it will then manifest
the particle. And so that all particles, everything that makes
up our body, that makes up the table, that makes
up the air, that makes up everything in the water,
whatever you name, it is all of the same exact source,
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but just vibrating on a different frequency. And you know,
I find that logical. Some people might think that that's
totally crazy, but that makes actually perfect sense to me.
And it goes into to what Rick and I have
discussed previously as well, is that you know, are vibe
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our energy? What what what we're putting out, how we're
feeling every day? You know that that's that's probably the
most critical critical aspect to the functioning of a of
a saying and sound and and happy being is is
how are we vibing every day, you know, are we are?
Are we plagued by underlying stresses and depression and and
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fear and anxiety and and all these other things. But
putting on a great facade, you know, of of being
uh competent and and and secure and confident and happy,
and you know, waxing enthusiastic is important because if we
are feeling down, if you can pretend to not feel
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done long enough, you'll actually start not feeling down. But
but this idea of this, this this energetic type of
a universe where or everything is is from a common source,
just vibrating at different frequencies. You know, that makes a
lot of sense. And what frequencies we entertain, what, you know,
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what vibes we entertain is going to eventually be become
a part of our own vibration.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, no exactly, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And it's funny because years ago, when I was working
for University of Oklahoma, I was trying for one of
their their mid level supervisory positions. I didn't get it
the first time, but I did later. But the person
who went out over me was coming to me for
advice about how to do their job because they knew
where I came from, and they knew that I'd been
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in leadership before. And this is just rule one of
command school, dude, is fig it till you make it,
because if the people that are under you see you
freaking out, what do you think they're going to do.
So it's all about projecting confidence sometimes even if you
don't feel it. And honestly, from a societal perspective, that
is more required from men that it is from women
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because we're not allowed to show our emotions, at least societally,
and that's one of the things that I'm glad to
see is finally starting to change. I think in some
respects it's gone a little too far, but I am
glad that there are there. You know, you're you're allowed
to basically show that you are not this stoic spartan
or anything, because that that's been ingrained into me since
I was a kid. Don't don't you dare cry or
(15:21):
I'm gonna give you something to cry about.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
You'll some bits right right right? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Thanks? But yeah, like, well, if I'm already crying, why
do I need something to cry about? But you know,
it's just one of those societal kinds of things, and
in some ways it's different for everybody, but at the
same time, you know, this whole thing is all coming
back to this same process of And I want to
go back to this particle that you were talking about
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a second ago, because that actually resonates with me too,
and I use that word specifically since we're talking frequently,
but it makes sense because, honestly, if you really want
to talk about it, whether you believe the universe was
created by some sort of unknown force, whether it is
something that we understand is either allah yahweh or one
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of the above, is still all a manifestation because especially
if you go back and you look at the creation
stories throughout, no matter which way you look at it,
there was some sort of divine being that started speaking
or creating things in new existence using their own power.
So the idea that this base particle basically manifests whatever
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it's supposed to be based on the frequency. I would
like to remind you that God spoke all of these
things into existence in my belief pattern, which means he
set the frequencies totally all the individual particles. So this
all kind of connects together. And this also goes back
to something else that we've talked about on a quantum
level about how quantum physicists at this point are theorizing
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that everything is connected. If everything was spoken into existence
by one central thing, then it would make sense that
is all connected. And also since it is all a
manifestation based on frequencies that I could go down this
rabbit hole for a week money, I love it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I love it. Yeah, man, the and uh. And it
also goes into you know what we were talking about
a bit yesterday is this, you know, this idea of
of of man coming out of his kind of uh
primordial state into what will be considered more of a
modern type of of of of mindset uh. But that
that's sometime in the ancient past, the shamanic religion of
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the planet, where every I mean, if you go back
in history, there's not a there's not a race on
the planet of people's that didn't have a shamanic uh
practice before the modern age, that I mean, whether you're
I mean Native American Indians. It was very interesting when
when the Europeans came into the America's they found a
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race a culture that that had not advanced in thousands
of years and was still living in the same way
and style that they had four thousands of years with
their belief systems intact and UH and they and they
had their medicine man, their shaman, that was their their
tribal elder, you know, who would who would kind of
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keep everything cool, you know, and and and inform everybody,
and and and perform the rituals and and all of
these things and that and that's the same as in
in African Uh tribes that you find, and in South
American tribes that you find, and the Druidic priests of
the European tribes back in the day, and in in
the the Druidic and the European the Druidic priests when
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they they had their ruins, which the ruins was their language,
it was their alphabet. And it is that it's that
very alphabet really that that has been suggested was you know,
either either travel from the Middle East up into Europe
or potentially from the northern European areas down into the
Middle East at at certain times in ancient history because
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the the style of the lettering is or the or
the symbols is too similar to let's say, the Phoenician Canaanite,
the Hebrew, you know, these the these particular styles of lettering.
And then and in the in the ruins, each one
of those ruins is named, if I recall correctly, after
a tree. So all the ruins are are are certain trees,
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and that's where they get their name. And then then
and then the language comes from that. So it's in.
It's in, uh, you know, even in the Old Testament
to talk about you know, you're naming all of these things.
Do they have uh? Until we until we qualify them
with some type of name, do we really know what
they are? I mean, that's a curious question, you know.
And until we all agree that a table is a table,
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until we all agree that, you know that granted is
granted and marble is mar would we not assume that
they're both the same, or you know, would we assume
a table is a chair if somebody sits on it,
if somebody didn't tell us that that was a table,
not a chair, or if somebody eats off of the
chair instead of the table, because nobody's told them that
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a chair is for sitting, not for eating. You know,
you get what I'm saying. So it's like, so everything
has this kind of quality of being named, of of
having some type of definition associated with it. And that's
through understanding, through language and communication and agreement. I mean,
reality essentially really is agreement. If we all, if we
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all are on the on the same page about a
certain idea, and we all agree about that idea, well
then the idea is true until it's proven false by
some by some other means.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, I mean to take the whole naming thing a
step further. I always thought that was a very important
passage within Genesis when God says to Adam, I'm going
to bring these things in front of you and going
to name them. I think the creation process wasn't finalized
until they were named, right, because if if you if
you look at agent cultures, there's so much power in names.
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That's why you see all and there's little meme generator
things and little story generator things that have popped up
online because of it. This is if you click on this,
we'll tell you the meaning of your name. Some of
those things you're accurate, some of them are not. But
there's so much power in what you call something.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, And that's why that's why it's uh just
jumping on that before I dive back in. That's why
I think it's you know, how we communicate with others,
what type of words we use, you know, what type
of language, kind of energy are we putting behind those
you know those words uh uh. In studying with my
teacher Monotupo uh for years, you know, it's uh. We
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do exercises where you could do a line reading and
it's like somebody asks you how are you today, and
you're like, I'm doing great, thank you so much. But
and then and and say it, okay, as if that's true,
well I'm doing great, thank you so much much. Say
it as if you're actually really angry, well I'm doing great,
thank you so much. Or if you're really sad on
the inside, we'll do it doing great, thank you so much,
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or whatever the case may be. That that that we
we can use the language actually to try to disguise
how we're really feeling on the inside. But at the
same time, you know what what language we use to
communicate to others and how we and how we affect them.
If we're at least consciously aware of the fact that
our words have have have a emotional and psychological and
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potentially physical effect on somebody. You know, if you if you,
if you tell somebody something that's very mean and cruel,
you can cause them not only you know, an emotional pain,
but then they can become physically ill from it. And
this is just the truth. So it's uh, you know,
I think it's it's certainly important to to be cognitive
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of of the language we use, how we use it,
and in what way we use it when dealing with others,
because you know what we pass on. You know that
that it has a domino effect around us.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, yeah, I mean it goes and I hate to
keep it coming back to scripture, but it's kind of
my reference pot.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I love that, we love going back to it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We each have the power of life and death in
our tongue. So and for those of you that aren't
sure and you want to test a theory, do this.
Go to your go to wherever you go to your
favorite place to buy plants by two of the same plants.
Put them in different locations. Talk positively to one every day,
talk negatively to the other for every day, and look
at the difference. In about a week or so, the
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plant that you're speaking positively to is going to be growing.
It's going to be thriving. Now you do have to
water and feed it and all the other things. So
you can't just I'm gonna make this plant survive only
on the power of positive thought.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You do that with a cactus.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Pretty much, all things being equal. If you feed and water,
the plant's the same. And you shower one with positive
energy and the other with negative energy is going to thrive,
the others going to die. We need to take that
into account when we deal with people, because words matter.
What you say to people matter. Remember, you have the
same creation ability through manifestation. And we've talked about this
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several episodes ago, that the Creator, whichever version of the
Creator you believe in, also has So you have the
power to create or to nourish with your words, and
you have the power to destroy or condemn with your words.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So choose wisely, Choose wisely. So it goes on here
says divine and supernatural exaltation was the only means of
arriving at truth. At every turn of our inquiry, we
meet light at every crossroad, as it were, of our
laborious journey, of our philosophical pilgrimage, we encounter this pertinacious
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and ever present light. So that's pertinent. It's an obvious thing.
But this guy uses some You know. The older, the
older the book you get, the more complicated it is
to understand. But it goes on here. What is the
wondrous universal element, cosmic light, or least provable soul of
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the world, which have been so significantly and yet so
unexpectedly mythed universally through the intelligent ages. We ask thinkers
for an answer, But only out of their meditations, only
out of their impossibility of denial do we hope to
ring the confession of the divine spirit that is in
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the fire, no reference to material fire, but to a
something of which the material fire is merely a manifestation being,
the imparticled spirit, in which everything is as one, and
in which the things are only unreal, and unreal things
are the only real. Through two baptismals, must the initiate
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pass through the baptism of both water and fire. The
mysterious baptism by water is that of the earliest tradition,
or the Pythagorean transmigration, as signifying the onward dissolution into
nothingness of being, that is, of this being through the
farthest separated save air, in which man always is and
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therefore always is baptized matter and water, holy water and
ablution only. Sorry, holy water and ablution also signify the same. Hence,
as from the next loosest of matter, water the only
possible symbol for a right man is delivered into the
farther supernatural airy changes where matter ceases, loosing utterly from
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above him. Then, after the baptism by water, the awakening
of the mind, the spirit of fire begins taking us
through the matter of undulations. This is freedom into the
foundation of or inspiring light, the God, flame of the Magi,
the holy spirit of the Christian, the everything out of
this state and the nothing in it of all religions, life,
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nay all existence being considered as a purgatory and experience
of the severer or a more assuasive order, and being
evil or God's shadow for the very reason of being
life or consciousness at all. I know that that was
just a big word salad uh for for many people,
because again, you know, I'm taking this somewhat out of
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context when I underline this stuff. But you know what,
what I what I'm getting and understanding from this is
that you know, the the the baptism by water, and
in this context is kind of that that going through
you know, the emotional and uh and and and more
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mental or mindful process of coming to a deeper truth
that that that we can understand and embrace about ourselves
as a spiritual being and uh and and once we
we have that realization and that Okay, I'm not just
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marred in in in all of this this negativity from
my past, or emotional stress for my past or or
psychological uh confusion from my past or any of those
other things, that that once once we we traverse through
that and and kind of get get through those those waters,
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so to speak, that baptism by water, and when we
come up out of that, we at least have this
realization that we're not those things. And then this idea
of this baptism by fire is this spiritual side of it,
where we then go through a process of kind of
a burning away of all of of our of our
collective pain and confusion and and and uh uh ignorance
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and all of these things, so that so that by
the time we're done uh with that next process, we
are hopefully more aligned with just the spiritual spine of
our true selves than the ideas and the feelings about that.
Does that kind of make sense.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
To you, Rick, Yeah, So, I mean just to kind
of maybe give a different perspective on it. Remember back
in the day when cars were first, and then you
had to go out and you had to stick the
little key in the front of the car, crank the
heck out of it, and then go back into the
car and actually either turn the physical key or hit
a button to make it start. Yes, so there's an
allegory there between the physical baptism and the spiritual baptism
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because rituals matter. A lot of people don't talk about that,
but rituals matter. That ritual is important because not only
is it showing to the outside world that you're trying
to profess that you are not the same person you
were before you made that decision, it also helps your
mind come to terms with the fact that you are
laying to rest who you were and coming up with
something new. So that in essence is the turning of
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the physical key outside the car to get the engine
ready to go, and then the next step is to
move in of that baptism by fireface that will happen
but only if you are ready for it to happen.
You have to be ready, willing, and able for that
spirit or whatever it is, the driving force that leads
that baptism by fire to come into you and start
reshaping you spiritually, whatever your personal beliefs are. So it's
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a two step process. You got to do the outside
part first. Then you got to be ready to hit
the button to do the inside stuff. And it has
to be your choice. That's one of the biggest things
about the universe, God whatever giving you free will that
everybody needs to understand. You have the ability to make
your own choices in your life. But you also have
to realize that you also have the ability to have
to face those consequences, whatever they may be.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, that's that, you know. You can't. Don't get any
more simplified than that. That is That is the truth.
I had this a couple of notes that I wrote
in here as well. I don't I haven't been reading
some of my side notes, but this one's interest because
I just wrote in here that matter is the shadow
(31:01):
of God. The conscious thought. The conscious thought vibration emanating
from the cosmic mind manifests as electromagnetic energy on a
sub atomic scale called superstring. It changes the nature of
the particle it is creating by subtle increases or decreases
in its frequency. So you know that the idea that
(31:24):
that that that the world of matter is the shadow
of of the divine Creator. Uh, that that somewhere on
the other side of this physical universe there is there
is or inside of this physical universe. If we believe
kind of the innerdimensionality. Uh, you know concept that that
(31:48):
multidimensions are folded into the to the same one. So
in that essence that the two dimensions could literally just
be this one and and it's up to us to
kind of see through it in order to to to
visualize what what would this higher dimensional reality or plane be?
And uh and if it's just pure creative energy that
(32:11):
has some element of conscious potential to it, that that
that would to me that that would make sense in
that we as as the human race, have this this
ability to have a higher conscious experience of life, that
(32:32):
that we have the ability to connect up with this
this this metaphysical force that we cannot see here, touch, taste,
or smell, but we can connect with it and uh
and and vibe with it. Basically you know. I mean,
that's what we've been talking about, is what is you know,
(32:53):
what is our what is our vibe? What kind of
energy are we giving off on a daily basis? And uh,
And I'm working h you know, I'm working on on
on myself as well, probably not as fast as some
people would like me to, but you know, I've gone
through phases. It's interesting because when I think back in
(33:15):
my own past, I've had, you know, many years of
a of a very sober kind of living where I
was much more in tune and aware and conscious of
of this kind of h of reality even than I
am now, you know. So there isn't ebb and flow.
(33:38):
It has to be it has to be consistently worked
on and practice. And I think we made an analogy
the other one of one of the other episodes about
you know, a car. If you don't take care of
the car, the car is eventually going to break down.
So you can have a classic car that's one hundred
years old and and it can run like it was
(33:59):
it was bill yesterday if all of its parts and
mechanical features are kept clean and in good shape. So
the same thing goes for ourselves, really, you know, that
we have to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, maintenance of the physical show matters. And I'm saying,
this is somebody who's gotten really old and really fat.
But I'm actually trying to fix all of that because
I didn't realize how bad it was until a few
years ago. I was trying to walk at the zoo
and I kept having to find a bench like every
fifteen minutes. I'm like, yeah, I gotta start fixing this.
So I am on a journey to try to bring
myself back to something close to what I was before.
(34:43):
But all of that matters because it can impact how
not only does it impact how you interact with the
rest of the world, it can interact with how you
feel about interacting with the rest because you know, as
somebody that does have physical disabilities and a few other
things through things that have happened to me throughout my life,
sometimes I have to weigh can I go to this
thing without bringing my cane? Can I do this without
(35:04):
doing this? Because there are times when I can't do
as much as I used to be able to do,
even though I used to be one of those people
that kick down doors and face bad guys for a living.
Can't do that anymore. I only run now if something's
chasing me, and it will probably catch me eventually. But
you know, all of that matters. Your physical mindset when
you're approaching the world matters, because whether you realize it
(35:25):
or not, you are giving off an energy, and even
if the people around you can't necessarily consciously pick up
on it, trust me, they are subconsciously reacting to your energy.
Because there are people that I cannot be around for
more than ten or fifteen minutes at a time before
I just start getting in a terrible mood. And it's
because they are giving off the vibe even if I
don't consciously realize it that they're in a terrible mood
(35:49):
and they start impacting your mood, especially especially if you're
attuned to those things, and I always kind of have been.
So not only do you need to guard your peace,
but you also need to make sure you're putting out
the right kind of world, which is why I have
become one of those people where if I'm just not
in the mood for it, somebody all asks me to
do something, or if I want to like do it,
(36:10):
it's entirely two people.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that can be a smart thing. It's
like if you know, if we're not in the best
if we're not in the best headspace, not in the
best mood, you know, depending, I mean, you know, like
we were talking about earlier, you know, waxing enthusiastic. Yeah,
you know, we can we can drum up, drum up, uh,
the thoughts and and and the communication to get ourselves
out of that, which is a which is a positive thing,
(36:33):
because then we don't necessarily we aren't necessarily you know,
putting all of our bad energy on other people, you know,
even if even if we're in in that. But some
you know, some some individuals they're like pig pen, you know,
they just carry everything on their shoulders and there's a
cloud of of of of issues around them that that
(36:56):
can that can easily affect anybody else within their sphere
of influence. And and you know, and I don't I
don't want to be that kind of guy. I don't
want to be that kind of person. I want to be,
you know, somebody who walks into a room and and
spreads light and energy and hope and joy and and
and all of that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You know. Well, I mean, and I try to be
too I'm not. I'm not great at it all the time,
but I do try. I do want to back up
for a second, though, because this is something I wanted
to bring up earlier and I couldn't say. I do
find it interesting with the age of this book that
almost everything this guy is talking about is currently being
proven out by science.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yes, I've noticed that a lot about the about ancient texts.
I mean, this is an ancient but I mean older
text and all of that is especially in the the
Daoists and the and the Buddhist texts, that in the
Hindu text as well, you know, I mean they were
talking about concepts that that that we understand intellectually and
(37:54):
we can experience. But then but now in you know,
the modern Western world is is kind of proving these
things in a quantum way, and who knows what's going on.
It'scern but but you know, but yeah, but if you
take but the problem with the with the with westernized
(38:17):
theoretical physics is that there's there's an attempt to remove
God out of the equation, and oddly enough, theoretical physics
keeps coming back to there has to be some intelligence
behind the universe, which means is there God is there,
(38:37):
not God, but there has to be something intelligent behind it,
because it's impossible for it to exist the way that
it does exist now without it. At least that's what's
being suggested in a lot of the modern theoretical physics literature.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, and the weirdest thing is it's also being backed
up by medical science now as far as how everything
seems to be in interconnected in ways that we can't
we haven't really been able to understand before now. And
you know, with my background, there are some interesting studies
that have come out with people that have been either mentally,
physically or emotionally abused, and their medical histories are so
(39:12):
much more drastic than people that were not put through
those things. They're more likely to wind up with things
like cancer, They're more likely to wind up having the
more severe form of diabetes. There's just all this weird
stuff that's coming out now that our science is improving
enough to be able to start correlating things. And granted
it's anecdotal evidence at this point, but it is. It
is interesting to think about because I have a friend
(39:35):
who was physically abused as a child and her health
has sucked ever since. And she was one of the
first people that turned me onto all the research that
she had done that says, yeah, some of this is
probably because of what I went through as a kid,
and that if that's not enough to make you think
about the situations that you put yourself in, or that
you will, that you may sometimes inadvertently allow other people
(39:56):
to be put in. I don't know if any other
more stark way to put it, just you gotta be
careful with your energy.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Totally, man totally, so diving back in it says all
the obelisks, all the singular, solitary, wonderful pillars and monuments
of Egypt, as of other lands are as, it were
only tombstones of fire. And Troy was the image of Pallace,
the myth of knowledge of the world, of manifestation of
(40:22):
the fire. In Athens, Athena Minerva. In the Greek there
was Bacchus, Hercules, Apollo, the triformed Minerva, Diana, and hecate.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
To hello, friends, you have a moment.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Foundation of or inspiring light, the god flame of them
and out of the equation. And oddly enough, theoretical physics
keeps coming back to there has to be mankind to
share the knowledge of enlightenment with others. And you know,
(45:45):
so Prometheus, which is like each man is bound to
a rock which is the planet Earth, where where a
flesh eating bird the reality of death, eats his liver
once a day, which decays his individuality. The the lives,
(46:05):
the lives reproducing each time. This is something that I
wrote down here at the bottom, by the way, when
I'm reading right now. The lives reproducing each time each
day is in the beginning. So Promethea's bound. You know,
he's in trouble because he stole the fire from God
brought it to man. He's bound to a rock. And
every day you know this, this bird like crow crow
type character eats out his liver and then the liver
(46:27):
grows back. The next day he does it again, he
does it again. It's this And I'm just thinking that
that's kind of like, you know, symbolic of of what
we all go through every day. Is, you know, every
waking day we have this kind of eating away at
us that we have to be okay with and and
and know that that we have that we are of
(46:53):
the same source of creation as all of creation, and
that and that we have the ability to share with others,
you know, light and hope and love and and joy
and uh and I I think that that that's more
important to share than than even inventions, you know what
(47:19):
I mean. It's like, you know, we might have an
invention that could change the world for the better, but
what But but what I do believe changes the world
for the best is when we all treat each other
with kindness and dignity and and uh and and we're
responsible to to ourselves and others in a way that's uh,
that's that that is spiritually inclined rather than materially you know.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
You know, I mean, I completely agree. I had a
thought that just left me.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
It'll come back to you.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I had a alien point. Oh no, I remember what
it was, shameless plug. But Amish and I recently did
a juxtaposition on apocrypha, and one of one of the
most interesting and controversial things we talked about was the
Gospel of Judas you ever looked into that at all
a little bit, I find it interesting that and because
(48:14):
this is honestly, as somebody who's ordained, as somebody who's
you know, done all the things, I've always found it
interesting that somehow the creator would punish the instrument of
the crucifixion when the crucifixion had to happen. So the
Gospel of Judas, that never really I mean, I've kind
of nibbled at the edges, but that episode we took
a really deep dive on it, and it kind of
(48:36):
kind of ties back into what we're talking about right now.
And at one point in the Gospel of Judish, Judas
actually relates a private conversation between himself and Jesus because
he's kind of chortling at the rest of the apostles
and they're like, they don't even realize they're worshiping the
wrong God, because they're actually worshiping a lesser being, not
the God of you know, not this upper being, that
(48:57):
kind of what you've been discussing, because creation actually happened
at a lower level, So what they consider God is
actually not God. It's the it's the instrument of the creation,
and they're worshiping the instrument of the creation, not the Creator. Yeah,
I just I just kind of I just kind of
stuck with me because that's been the that's been the
one part of the circle I can't square. How can
(49:17):
God be mad at the dude who helped him get
crucified when he had to be crucified. Yeah, I mean,
you know, one part of the circle I've never been
able to square. And then that book, I'm like, oh,
that actually, kah makes sense because and the weirdest thing
(49:37):
is like Judas was kind of in an elevated status
because he grasped everything Jesus was putting down on the
rest of the apostles didn't and Jesus actually, you know,
told him to go do the thing that he knew
he had to do, so it wasn't e underneathing. That
was wasn't expected. And I was like, I gotta admit
that episode kind of worked my brain for a few days,
(49:58):
and I'm still I'm still kind of coming to in
terms with it. But there's so many that you're talking
about in this chapter that kind of resonate with that
very thing, and I was like, that hurt my brain again,
which is why I had that.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Well, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna try and finish up
this chapter here real quick before we end off. We
got ten minutes. Let's see if I can do it.
We find, therefore, in the earliest ages, an ether or
spiritual fire theory by which modern theorists endeavor to explain
the phenomenon of magnetism. The Hindu, for thousands of years past,
(50:33):
cremated their dead earth to earth, that the spirit be
given freedom from the earth. There the Egyptian symbolized that
as a pure ethereal spiritual fire which burns eternally, whose
radiance is raised far above the planet, planets, and stars.
They worshiped this highest being under the name of Athor.
He was the lord of the universe. The Greeks transformed
(50:54):
Athor into Venus, who was looked upon by them in
the same light as Athor. According to the Egyptians, matter
has always been connected with the mind. The Egyptian priests
also maintained that the gods appeared to man, and that
spirits or free souls communicated with the human race. It will,
we trust, never be supposed that we mean material fire,
(51:17):
but only the inexpressible something of which fire, or rather
its flower or glory or bright light, is the farthest off,
because in being visible at all, it is the grossest
and most inadequate image all things visible and invisible, having
been produced by the contention of light with darkness. Only
(51:37):
darkness can reflect light. The earth has denseness in it
in its innumerable heavy commitments downward, and they contain less
and less of the original divine or cosmic light as
they thicken and solidify, the grosser and heavier in matter.
The ancients taught that every object, however stifled or delayed
in its operation, and darkened and thickened in the solid
(51:59):
blame blackness at the base, yet contained a certain possible
deposit or jewel of light, which light, although by natural
process it may take ages to evolve, as light will
tend at last by its own native irresistible force upward,
when it has opportunity, can be liberated. That dead matter
will yield this spirit in a space more or less
(52:20):
expeditious by the art of the alchemists. These are worlds
within worlds. We human organisms are only living in a
dreamlike phase of the grand panorama, unseen and unsuspected, because
in it lies magic. There is an inner magnetism or
divine aura, or ethereal spirit or possible eager fire, shut
(52:42):
and confined as in a prison in the body, or
in all sensible objects which have more or less of
spiritually sensitive life as they can more successfully free themselves
from this pondable material obstruction. Just two more quick sections
because there's some things I did want to try. I
just wanted to say real quick. It's like, you know,
they mentioned that is that that has mattered is denser
(53:04):
and denser. That the further we go down obviously, the
darker it gets. And that's true. You look at at
at the very bottom of the ocean, where where no
light can penetrate. There is still life way way down there,
but it lives in total and utter darkness. And there
are those creatures that create their own light, that that
that radiate their own light from uh, from from their
(53:26):
own bodies. It's it's incredible that you know that these
these creatures can literally glow in the dark. And that's uh,
that's that that's that's just amazing to me. But uh,
but this, you know, these layers of darkness that that
that we have also inside of ourselves, that when we
get down to our most base internal uh existence, it
(53:53):
is in a state of darkness. And in that darkness
is where all of our negative emotions are contained and
and all of our negative thoughts are contained, and our
negative outlooks on life are contained, and our negative behaviors,
our self destructive behaviors, all of that big ball of
of of of pain and discomfort and confusion and lashing
(54:19):
out and all that is all contained in this one place.
And if we can disconnect ourselves from that to the
best of our abilities, we become lighter, and we rise
up out of that darkness into a higher state of
awareness and consciousness. And then then from there it's you know,
there's a totally different relationship to life, so real quick.
(54:40):
It just goes on to say, the great original architect
building his microcosmos of a world from the plans and
powers evoked in the macrocosm or heaven of first forms,
which in their multitude and magnificence are as changeable shadows
cast off from the central immortal first light, who's raised
(55:01):
dark from the center to the extremest point of the
universal circumference. With this immaterial fire or spiritual fire, the
Rosicrucian loosens contradiction and error and conquers the false knowledge
and the deceiving senses which bind the human soul in
its prison. He lays the bridge, as the pontiffects or bridgemaker,
(55:22):
between the world known and the world unknown, and across
this bridge he leads the votary out of his dream
of life, into his dream of temporary death, or into
extinction of the senses and of the proud powers of
the senses, which the world's blindness is the only true
and veritable light. The envelope of flesh falling metaphorically off
(55:43):
the now liberated fire into rhapsody, which is at the
gate of heaven. And you know, just just real quick,
what I get out of that while we have four
minutes left or so. It just that that again that
there there, for whatever reason, the universal consciousness that that
(56:05):
exists out there, uh wants to know itself. And in
order to know itself, it had to manifest a mirror world,
kind of a mirror version of itself, which comes into
manifestation as all the things, you know, the myriad of
manifestations in in in our physical universe that we see
(56:26):
every day, that we encounter every day, and obviously including ourselves,
and that that if you know, if once all of
this is created and exists, yes, it's a it's a reflection.
It's a balanced reflection of the cosmos of the creative
force that's behind it all, and it sits in that
in that balanced state, and then man came along who
(56:48):
became conscious of being conscious, and therefore it's it's in
it's in my my opinion that that that's the whole
reason for humankind's existence is to become conscious of being
conscious so that the universe can acknowledge itself through us.
(57:09):
So when we consciously acknowledge the creative force the universe
and we reflect that back at the universe, there's that
kind of aha moment of sort of like, wow, I
feel like I'm connected up here somehow. I feel it
feels right, it feels good, The vibration is positive, this
feels this feels good, you know, And that that is
(57:32):
to me personally, that that's the moment that that I
would like to see strung out throughout the rest of
my life. But you know, just like all of you,
you know, I deal with the with the daily the
daily struggles of existence like anybody else. You know. These
fundamental truths to me, you know, are only as vivid
(57:54):
as as as I am able to hang on to
the vision of them. And it's easy to fall back
into the daily, the daily routine of the stresses and
pains of life because we have bills to pay, we
have taxes that are due, we have you know, relationship
issues with with with people, we have behavioral issues with ourselves. Uh,
(58:18):
you know, whatever the case may be, is the the
the the whole point is, it's it's a constant just
trying to let go of that, let go of that,
let go of that, and you know it's uh, it's
a painstaking process. But I think that that even though
I haven't experienced it myself. Ell, actually I do know
(58:42):
from from past short term experience of being of being
able to live on that on that kind of level
where where where all the negativity is just water on
a duct's back. It doesn't even stress me out. I
don't trip on it. You know. That's where I'd like
to be on the rags, but uh, but sometimes that's
just not possible. Rick.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
You know, we all want to live there, but I
would like I would like to say for the record,
it's everybody else's behavior that's the problem, not mine. Just kidding.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
On that note, we've reached our hour and uh and
maybe everybody out there just just you know, whoever's watching this,
just take a moment after after this episode is finished
up and just see how you're feeling, feel your vibe,
and see if you can raise that vibe up to
a more excited uh uh universal kind of state. Let's
(59:34):
just you know, just for the heck of it. Why not?
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Speaker 2 (02:53):
What's up, body, I'm rocking the Dirty Sanchez today. I
noticed I'll probably be shaving this after this.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, yeah, I'm sure in the way that looks, I'm
sure kind of got a little bit of a Kevin
Bacon vibe going on right now. Not gonna lie. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I've been told that I just don't think that I had. Yeah,
I don't have that. I don't think I have the
potato on the end of my nose like he does.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But well, I will say it was more pronounced when
you leaned into the cameras, So maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Gave me that. Yeah, yes, exactly, Yeah, your nose.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
A little bit as you got closers, so maybe that's
what it was.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
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And well, we're still on the same book as those
of you who've been tuning in.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It is The Philosophy of Fire by our Swinburn Climber.
He is a rosicrusier and a philosopher and was a
doctor as well back in the day. It's a fascinating
book and I'm happy to spend this much time on
it because me and Rick have been having such a
good time talking about it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Dude, it has been fun. I said this isn't normally
something that I would have picked up on my own,
So so thank you for the exposure because I actually,
I have to admit I haven't. I've been using the
kindle version because it was cheaper, but I have a
paperback version of it coming now because I'm not I'm
not paying what they want for the hardcovers.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yes, the hardcover is a little it's it's it's a
little pricey, but you know it goes to a good cause.
So yeah, well we'll just dive in. Man. You know again,
for those of you who haven't seen any of these episodes,
I don't read the whole book. I just read excerpts
parts of the book that I've I've underlined and thought
were interesting. And although I haven't read this book in
(05:02):
a number of years, it's fun to go back through
and pick up on the areas that I underlined and
see why I thought they were interesting. But we'll just
dive right in. Here. We are on page ninety four
at this time in the hardback copy, and it says
(05:23):
man's very being, that is the laws by which he
and his mind exist, shuts him up, as it were,
within himself, as in a prison, all his knowledge of
things come from the light shining within its prison. It's
his mind. Within that radius, the light is perfect, and
he himself is perfect. This was the faith taught by
(05:46):
those Persians who believed in the one universal groundwork of light,
the soul, the cosmic light, the ultimate principle of everything
to be known, which is the religion of the Magi
or Zoroster, the Middle Age of European Bohemians, the remains
of whose fire palaces or fire temples are yet to
(06:06):
be seen, crumbling indeed into their own God light around
the revered and time battered as well as war battered Prague,
So that would be the old Austro Hungarian Empire. There
man is the center to himself in his mind, shining
as in his castle and prison of body. The forceful
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outer day, the god of the universe circle of things,
once in its violent inquest, fixed cranny and penetrating, would
annihilate the temporary possessor of the tenement and absorb all
within that is himself, to itself, laws, to light, organism,
to broad being, until reincorporated, that is concrete. I know
(06:49):
that sounded really confusing, but you know what I'm what
I've gotten out of this and what I what I
seem to understand out of this, especially in the first
cup of paragraphs there where I had some uh some
highlighted areas, is just that, you know, the mind is
kind of like a prison in a sense. And and
(07:10):
I would say that without other people around, without other
uh minds around to communicate with, it would be a
very uh a very lonely place to exist, I would think.
And uh, I think that anyone who spent enough time
in solitude knows. I mean, I know I I enjoy
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my solitude very much, sometimes too much, but uh but
I think that that you know, too much time there,
we just get we get trapped in our own in
our own ideas of of of things and and who
we think we are especially and what we think of
the world around us. But uh, you know, I the
(07:54):
escaping of the prison of the mind, I think is
kind of in like the letting go of the necessity
to to be obsessed with it, you know, to be
obsessed with who we think we are and uh what
what we what we think we're doing here on this
planet and and and these kind of these kind of
(08:14):
concepts just like I don't know, you know, Rick It's
just I feel like we all learn who we are,
you know, based on how we grow up and what
we're taught. And then somewhere inside of all of that programming,
there's kind of an innate sense of self and and
some people's innate sense of self is is is stronger
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than others. And uh, you know that that. I think
that that programming that we've been talking about, that we've
we've endured our whole lives up to present time, is
part of what makes that that mind a kind of
of a prison. And then how do we break out
of that prison?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I think that that, uh, that escape is it
has to be done by spiritual means, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Well, I mean, well part of it. And this is
kind of where some of this can be a double
ed swort thing, because part of how you start finding out,
you know, especially if you don't have one of those
you know, strong personal mindsets, part of how you start
finding out who you are is through being alone. That's
one of the reasons why a lot of the religions
teach about meditation, time alone, all those things, because and
(09:23):
trust me, it can be hard sometimes. I mean I
have I am just now after my divorce almost five
years ago at this point just now able to be
alone with my thoughts without internally trying to spend out
and having to get control again, because you know, I
was with the same person for almost eighteen years. So
the problem the problem with that is is, and I
think this is where we're coming into a lot of
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these other things, is when you have a lot of
time on your own or time alone, instead of being
introspective and fight and fighting through those things and facing them,
we do things like doom scrolling and stuff instead. So
then most of the time when we do have those
few moments of what could be solitude, we're usually dealing
with other things that we haven't actually addressed yet. So
(10:06):
I think there again, there needs to be balanced. Too
much time alone can be a bad thing. Enough time
alone can actually help you figure out who you are
and actually stop worrying about things like keeping up with
the jones Is or oh, I have this great, wonderful
calling that I have to do. And I'm not saying
either one of those things is necessarily a bad thing,
but again, there has to be balance.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, there's got to be balanced there. There's totally gotta
be balanced it says here says not Buddha, but the
later Buddhists taught that spirit light was the floor or
basis of all created things, the material side or complement
of this spiritual light being fire, into which element all things,
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into which element all things could be rendered, and which
fire or heat was the motive of all things that existed.
They taught that matter or mind as the superflux, as
the sum of sencettions, or as natural and unreal shows
of their various kinds, was piled as layer on layer
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or tissue on tissue on this immutable and immortal floor
or groundwork of divine flame, the soul of the world.
You know again, you know, this book is a bit
it's a bit heavy, it's a bit thick. But what
what what I'm what I glean from this is that
you know, behind all created things there is a spark,
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you know, a force, an an electricity, a magnetic energy,
whatever you want to call it. You know that that
that that is that manifests everything. I mean, it's an
interesting concept. I know. We may have talked about the
superstring theory in one of our early early episodes. Uh,
(11:53):
but in in superstring theory, which is you know, kind
of quantum mechanics and and uh. In theoretical physics, it's
a it's the theory that when you get to the
tiniest particle known to man, although they can't prove this
because it's so small they can't see it. It's only
a mathematical equation at this point, but that the tiniest
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particle is just a loop of energy, and depending on
the vibratory tone of that energy, it will then manifest
the particle. And so that all particles, everything that makes
up our body, that makes up the table, that makes
up the air, that makes up everything in the water,
whatever you name, it is all of the same exact source,
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but just vibrating on a different frequency. And you know,
I find that logical. Some people might think that that's
totally crazy, but that makes actually perfect sense to me.
And it goes into to what Rick and I have
discussed previously as well, is that you know, are vibe
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our energy? What what what we're putting out, how we're
feeling every day? You know that that's that's probably the
most critical critical aspect to the functioning of a of
a saying and sound and and happy being is is
how are we vibing every day, you know, are we are?
Are we plagued by underlying stresses and depression and and
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fear and anxiety and and all these other things. But
putting on a great facade, you know, of of being
uh competent and and and secure and confident and happy,
and you know, waxing enthusiastic is important because if we
are feeling down, if you can pretend to not feel
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done long enough, you'll actually start not feeling down. But
but this idea of this, this this energetic type of
a universe where or everything is is from a common source,
just vibrating at different frequencies. You know, that makes a
lot of sense. And what frequencies we entertain, what, you know,
(14:10):
what vibes we entertain is going to eventually be become
a part of our own vibration.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, no exactly, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And it's funny because years ago, when I was working
for University of Oklahoma, I was trying for one of
their their mid level supervisory positions. I didn't get it
the first time, but I did later. But the person
who went out over me was coming to me for
advice about how to do their job because they knew
where I came from, and they knew that I'd been
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in leadership before. And this is just rule one of
command school, dude, is fig it till you make it,
because if the people that are under you see you
freaking out, what do you think they're going to do.
So it's all about projecting confidence sometimes even if you
don't feel it. And honestly, from a societal perspective, that
is more required from men that it is from women
(15:01):
because we're not allowed to show our emotions, at least societally,
and that's one of the things that I'm glad to
see is finally starting to change. I think in some
respects it's gone a little too far, but I am
glad that there are there. You know, you're you're allowed
to basically show that you are not this stoic spartan
or anything, because that that's been ingrained into me since
I was a kid. Don't don't you dare cry or
(15:21):
I'm gonna give you something to cry about.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
You'll some bits right right right? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Thanks? But yeah, like, well, if I'm already crying, why
do I need something to cry about? But you know,
it's just one of those societal kinds of things, and
in some ways it's different for everybody, but at the
same time, you know, this whole thing is all coming
back to this same process of And I want to
go back to this particle that you were talking about
(15:46):
a second ago, because that actually resonates with me too,
and I use that word specifically since we're talking frequently,
but it makes sense because, honestly, if you really want
to talk about it, whether you believe the universe was
created by some sort of unknown force, whether it is
something that we understand is either allah yahweh or one
(16:08):
of the above, is still all a manifestation because especially
if you go back and you look at the creation
stories throughout, no matter which way you look at it,
there was some sort of divine being that started speaking
or creating things in new existence using their own power.
So the idea that this base particle basically manifests whatever
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it's supposed to be based on the frequency. I would
like to remind you that God spoke all of these
things into existence in my belief pattern, which means he
set the frequencies totally all the individual particles. So this
all kind of connects together. And this also goes back
to something else that we've talked about on a quantum
level about how quantum physicists at this point are theorizing
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that everything is connected. If everything was spoken into existence
by one central thing, then it would make sense that
is all connected. And also since it is all a
manifestation based on frequencies that I could go down this
rabbit hole for a week money, I love it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I love it. Yeah, man, the and uh. And it
also goes into you know what we were talking about
a bit yesterday is this, you know, this idea of
of of man coming out of his kind of uh
primordial state into what will be considered more of a
modern type of of of of mindset uh. But that
that's sometime in the ancient past, the shamanic religion of
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the planet, where every I mean, if you go back
in history, there's not a there's not a race on
the planet of people's that didn't have a shamanic uh
practice before the modern age, that I mean, whether you're
I mean Native American Indians. It was very interesting when
when the Europeans came into the America's they found a
(17:58):
race a culture that that had not advanced in thousands
of years and was still living in the same way
and style that they had four thousands of years with
their belief systems intact and UH and they and they
had their medicine man, their shaman, that was their their
tribal elder, you know, who would who would kind of
(18:22):
keep everything cool, you know, and and and inform everybody,
and and and perform the rituals and and all of
these things and that and that's the same as in
in African Uh tribes that you find, and in South
American tribes that you find, and the Druidic priests of
the European tribes back in the day, and in in
the the Druidic and the European the Druidic priests when
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they they had their ruins, which the ruins was their language,
it was their alphabet. And it is that it's that
very alphabet really that that has been suggested was you know,
either either travel from the Middle East up into Europe
or potentially from the northern European areas down into the
Middle East at at certain times in ancient history because
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the the style of the lettering is or the or
the symbols is too similar to let's say, the Phoenician Canaanite,
the Hebrew, you know, these the these particular styles of lettering.
And then and in the in the ruins, each one
of those ruins is named, if I recall correctly, after
a tree. So all the ruins are are are certain trees,
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and that's where they get their name. And then then
and then the language comes from that. So it's in.
It's in, uh, you know, even in the Old Testament
to talk about you know, you're naming all of these things.
Do they have uh? Until we until we qualify them
with some type of name, do we really know what
they are? I mean, that's a curious question, you know.
And until we all agree that a table is a table,
(19:55):
until we all agree that, you know that granted is
granted and marble is mar would we not assume that
they're both the same, or you know, would we assume
a table is a chair if somebody sits on it,
if somebody didn't tell us that that was a table,
not a chair, or if somebody eats off of the
chair instead of the table, because nobody's told them that
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a chair is for sitting, not for eating. You know,
you get what I'm saying. So it's like, so everything
has this kind of quality of being named, of of
having some type of definition associated with it. And that's
through understanding, through language and communication and agreement. I mean,
reality essentially really is agreement. If we all, if we
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all are on the on the same page about a
certain idea, and we all agree about that idea, well
then the idea is true until it's proven false by
some by some other means.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, I mean to take the whole naming thing a
step further. I always thought that was a very important
passage within Genesis when God says to Adam, I'm going
to bring these things in front of you and going
to name them. I think the creation process wasn't finalized
until they were named, right, because if if you if
you look at agent cultures, there's so much power in names.
(21:12):
That's why you see all and there's little meme generator
things and little story generator things that have popped up
online because of it. This is if you click on this,
we'll tell you the meaning of your name. Some of
those things you're accurate, some of them are not. But
there's so much power in what you call something.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, And that's why that's why it's uh just
jumping on that before I dive back in. That's why
I think it's you know, how we communicate with others,
what type of words we use, you know, what type
of language, kind of energy are we putting behind those
you know those words uh uh. In studying with my
teacher Monotupo uh for years, you know, it's uh. We
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do exercises where you could do a line reading and
it's like somebody asks you how are you today, and
you're like, I'm doing great, thank you so much. But
and then and and say it, okay, as if that's true,
well I'm doing great, thank you so much much. Say
it as if you're actually really angry, well I'm doing great,
thank you so much. Or if you're really sad on
the inside, we'll do it doing great, thank you so much,
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or whatever the case may be. That that that we
we can use the language actually to try to disguise
how we're really feeling on the inside. But at the
same time, you know what what language we use to
communicate to others and how we and how we affect them.
If we're at least consciously aware of the fact that
our words have have have a emotional and psychological and
(22:33):
potentially physical effect on somebody. You know, if you if you,
if you tell somebody something that's very mean and cruel,
you can cause them not only you know, an emotional pain,
but then they can become physically ill from it. And
this is just the truth. So it's uh, you know,
I think it's it's certainly important to to be cognitive
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of of the language we use, how we use it,
and in what way we use it when dealing with others,
because you know what we pass on. You know that
that it has a domino effect around us.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, yeah, I mean it goes and I hate to
keep it coming back to scripture, but it's kind of
my reference pot.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I love that, we love going back to it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We each have the power of life and death in
our tongue. So and for those of you that aren't
sure and you want to test a theory, do this.
Go to your go to wherever you go to your
favorite place to buy plants by two of the same plants.
Put them in different locations. Talk positively to one every day,
talk negatively to the other for every day, and look
at the difference. In about a week or so, the
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plant that you're speaking positively to is going to be growing.
It's going to be thriving. Now you do have to
water and feed it and all the other things. So
you can't just I'm gonna make this plant survive only
on the power of positive thought.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You do that with a cactus.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Pretty much, all things being equal. If you feed and water,
the plant's the same. And you shower one with positive
energy and the other with negative energy is going to thrive,
the others going to die. We need to take that
into account when we deal with people, because words matter.
What you say to people matter. Remember, you have the
same creation ability through manifestation. And we've talked about this
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several episodes ago, that the Creator, whichever version of the
Creator you believe in, also has So you have the
power to create or to nourish with your words, and
you have the power to destroy or condemn with your words.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So choose wisely, Choose wisely. So it goes on here
says divine and supernatural exaltation was the only means of
arriving at truth. At every turn of our inquiry, we
meet light at every crossroad, as it were, of our
laborious journey, of our philosophical pilgrimage, we encounter this pertinacious
(24:50):
and ever present light. So that's pertinent. It's an obvious thing.
But this guy uses some You know. The older, the
older the book you get, the more complicated it is
to understand. But it goes on here. What is the
wondrous universal element, cosmic light, or least provable soul of
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the world, which have been so significantly and yet so
unexpectedly mythed universally through the intelligent ages. We ask thinkers
for an answer, But only out of their meditations, only
out of their impossibility of denial do we hope to
ring the confession of the divine spirit that is in
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the fire, no reference to material fire, but to a
something of which the material fire is merely a manifestation being,
the imparticled spirit, in which everything is as one, and
in which the things are only unreal, and unreal things
are the only real. Through two baptismals, must the initiate
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pass through the baptism of both water and fire. The
mysterious baptism by water is that of the earliest tradition,
or the Pythagorean transmigration, as signifying the onward dissolution into
nothingness of being, that is, of this being through the
farthest separated save air, in which man always is and
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therefore always is baptized matter and water, holy water and
ablution only. Sorry, holy water and ablution also signify the same. Hence,
as from the next loosest of matter, water the only
possible symbol for a right man is delivered into the
farther supernatural airy changes where matter ceases, loosing utterly from
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above him. Then, after the baptism by water, the awakening
of the mind, the spirit of fire begins taking us
through the matter of undulations. This is freedom into the
foundation of or inspiring light, the God, flame of the Magi,
the holy spirit of the Christian, the everything out of
this state and the nothing in it of all religions, life,
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nay all existence being considered as a purgatory and experience
of the severer or a more assuasive order, and being
evil or God's shadow for the very reason of being
life or consciousness at all. I know that that was
just a big word salad uh for for many people,
because again, you know, I'm taking this somewhat out of
(27:21):
context when I underline this stuff. But you know what,
what I what I'm getting and understanding from this is
that you know, the the the baptism by water, and
in this context is kind of that that going through
you know, the emotional and uh and and and more
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mental or mindful process of coming to a deeper truth
that that that we can understand and embrace about ourselves
as a spiritual being and uh and and once we
we have that realization and that Okay, I'm not just
(28:03):
marred in in in all of this this negativity from
my past, or emotional stress for my past or or
psychological uh confusion from my past or any of those
other things, that that once once we we traverse through
that and and kind of get get through those those waters,
(28:25):
so to speak, that baptism by water, and when we
come up out of that, we at least have this
realization that we're not those things. And then this idea
of this baptism by fire is this spiritual side of it,
where we then go through a process of kind of
a burning away of all of of our of our
collective pain and confusion and and and uh uh ignorance
(28:52):
and all of these things, so that so that by
the time we're done uh with that next process, we
are hopefully more aligned with just the spiritual spine of
our true selves than the ideas and the feelings about that.
Does that kind of make sense.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
To you, Rick, Yeah, So, I mean just to kind
of maybe give a different perspective on it. Remember back
in the day when cars were first, and then you
had to go out and you had to stick the
little key in the front of the car, crank the
heck out of it, and then go back into the
car and actually either turn the physical key or hit
a button to make it start. Yes, so there's an
allegory there between the physical baptism and the spiritual baptism
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because rituals matter. A lot of people don't talk about that,
but rituals matter. That ritual is important because not only
is it showing to the outside world that you're trying
to profess that you are not the same person you
were before you made that decision, it also helps your
mind come to terms with the fact that you are
laying to rest who you were and coming up with
something new. So that in essence is the turning of
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the physical key outside the car to get the engine
ready to go, and then the next step is to
move in of that baptism by fireface that will happen
but only if you are ready for it to happen.
You have to be ready, willing, and able for that
spirit or whatever it is, the driving force that leads
that baptism by fire to come into you and start
reshaping you spiritually, whatever your personal beliefs are. So it's
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a two step process. You got to do the outside
part first. Then you got to be ready to hit
the button to do the inside stuff. And it has
to be your choice. That's one of the biggest things
about the universe, God whatever giving you free will that
everybody needs to understand. You have the ability to make
your own choices in your life. But you also have
to realize that you also have the ability to have
to face those consequences, whatever they may be.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, that's that, you know. You can't. Don't get any
more simplified than that. That is That is the truth.
I had this a couple of notes that I wrote
in here as well. I don't I haven't been reading
some of my side notes, but this one's interest because
I just wrote in here that matter is the shadow
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of God. The conscious thought. The conscious thought vibration emanating
from the cosmic mind manifests as electromagnetic energy on a
sub atomic scale called superstring. It changes the nature of
the particle it is creating by subtle increases or decreases
in its frequency. So you know that the idea that
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that that that the world of matter is the shadow
of of the divine Creator. Uh, that that somewhere on
the other side of this physical universe there is there
is or inside of this physical universe. If we believe
kind of the innerdimensionality. Uh, you know concept that that
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multidimensions are folded into the to the same one. So
in that essence that the two dimensions could literally just
be this one and and it's up to us to
kind of see through it in order to to to
visualize what what would this higher dimensional reality or plane be?
And uh and if it's just pure creative energy that
(32:11):
has some element of conscious potential to it, that that
that would to me that that would make sense in
that we as as the human race, have this this
ability to have a higher conscious experience of life, that
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that we have the ability to connect up with this
this this metaphysical force that we cannot see here, touch, taste,
or smell, but we can connect with it and uh
and and vibe with it. Basically you know. I mean,
that's what we've been talking about, is what is you know,
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what is our what is our vibe? What kind of
energy are we giving off on a daily basis? And uh,
And I'm working h you know, I'm working on on
on myself as well, probably not as fast as some
people would like me to, but you know, I've gone
through phases. It's interesting because when I think back in
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my own past, I've had, you know, many years of
a of a very sober kind of living where I
was much more in tune and aware and conscious of
of this kind of h of reality even than I
am now, you know. So there isn't ebb and flow.
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It has to be it has to be consistently worked
on and practice. And I think we made an analogy
the other one of one of the other episodes about
you know, a car. If you don't take care of
the car, the car is eventually going to break down.
So you can have a classic car that's one hundred
years old and and it can run like it was
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it was bill yesterday if all of its parts and
mechanical features are kept clean and in good shape. So
the same thing goes for ourselves, really, you know, that
we have to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, maintenance of the physical show matters. And I'm saying,
this is somebody who's gotten really old and really fat.
But I'm actually trying to fix all of that because
I didn't realize how bad it was until a few
years ago. I was trying to walk at the zoo
and I kept having to find a bench like every
fifteen minutes. I'm like, yeah, I gotta start fixing this.
So I am on a journey to try to bring
myself back to something close to what I was before.
(34:43):
But all of that matters because it can impact how
not only does it impact how you interact with the
rest of the world, it can interact with how you
feel about interacting with the rest because you know, as
somebody that does have physical disabilities and a few other
things through things that have happened to me throughout my life,
sometimes I have to weigh can I go to this
thing without bringing my cane? Can I do this without
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doing this? Because there are times when I can't do
as much as I used to be able to do,
even though I used to be one of those people
that kick down doors and face bad guys for a living.
Can't do that anymore. I only run now if something's
chasing me, and it will probably catch me eventually. But
you know, all of that matters. Your physical mindset when
you're approaching the world matters, because whether you realize it
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or not, you are giving off an energy, and even
if the people around you can't necessarily consciously pick up
on it, trust me, they are subconsciously reacting to your energy.
Because there are people that I cannot be around for
more than ten or fifteen minutes at a time before
I just start getting in a terrible mood. And it's
because they are giving off the vibe even if I
don't consciously realize it that they're in a terrible mood
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and they start impacting your mood, especially especially if you're
attuned to those things, and I always kind of have been.
So not only do you need to guard your peace,
but you also need to make sure you're putting out
the right kind of world, which is why I have
become one of those people where if I'm just not
in the mood for it, somebody all asks me to
do something, or if I want to like do it,
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it's entirely two people.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that can be a smart thing. It's
like if you know, if we're not in the best
if we're not in the best headspace, not in the
best mood, you know, depending, I mean, you know, like
we were talking about earlier, you know, waxing enthusiastic. Yeah,
you know, we can we can drum up, drum up, uh,
the thoughts and and and the communication to get ourselves
out of that, which is a which is a positive thing,
(36:33):
because then we don't necessarily we aren't necessarily you know,
putting all of our bad energy on other people, you know,
even if even if we're in in that. But some
you know, some some individuals they're like pig pen, you know,
they just carry everything on their shoulders and there's a
cloud of of of of issues around them that that
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can that can easily affect anybody else within their sphere
of influence. And and you know, and I don't I
don't want to be that kind of guy. I don't
want to be that kind of person. I want to be,
you know, somebody who walks into a room and and
spreads light and energy and hope and joy and and
and all of that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You know. Well, I mean, and I try to be
too I'm not. I'm not great at it all the time,
but I do try. I do want to back up
for a second, though, because this is something I wanted
to bring up earlier and I couldn't say. I do
find it interesting with the age of this book that
almost everything this guy is talking about is currently being
proven out by science.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yes, I've noticed that a lot about the about ancient texts.
I mean, this is an ancient but I mean older
text and all of that is especially in the the
Daoists and the and the Buddhist texts, that in the
Hindu text as well, you know, I mean they were
talking about concepts that that that we understand intellectually and
(37:54):
we can experience. But then but now in you know,
the modern Western world is is kind of proving these
things in a quantum way, and who knows what's going on.
It'scern but but you know, but yeah, but if you
take but the problem with the with the with westernized
(38:17):
theoretical physics is that there's there's an attempt to remove
God out of the equation, and oddly enough, theoretical physics
keeps coming back to there has to be some intelligence
behind the universe, which means is there God is there,
(38:37):
not God, but there has to be something intelligent behind it,
because it's impossible for it to exist the way that
it does exist now without it. At least that's what's
being suggested in a lot of the modern theoretical physics literature.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, and the weirdest thing is it's also being backed
up by medical science now as far as how everything
seems to be in interconnected in ways that we can't
we haven't really been able to understand before now. And
you know, with my background, there are some interesting studies
that have come out with people that have been either mentally,
physically or emotionally abused, and their medical histories are so
(39:12):
much more drastic than people that were not put through
those things. They're more likely to wind up with things
like cancer, They're more likely to wind up having the
more severe form of diabetes. There's just all this weird
stuff that's coming out now that our science is improving
enough to be able to start correlating things. And granted
it's anecdotal evidence at this point, but it is. It
is interesting to think about because I have a friend
(39:35):
who was physically abused as a child and her health
has sucked ever since. And she was one of the
first people that turned me onto all the research that
she had done that says, yeah, some of this is
probably because of what I went through as a kid,
and that if that's not enough to make you think
about the situations that you put yourself in, or that
you will, that you may sometimes inadvertently allow other people
(39:56):
to be put in. I don't know if any other
more stark way to put it, just you gotta be
careful with your energy.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Totally, man totally, so diving back in it says all
the obelisks, all the singular, solitary, wonderful pillars and monuments
of Egypt, as of other lands are as, it were
only tombstones of fire. And Troy was the image of Pallace,
the myth of knowledge of the world, of manifestation of
(40:22):
the fire. In Athens, Athena Minerva. In the Greek there
was Bacchus, Hercules, Apollo, the triformed Minerva, Diana, and hecate.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
To hello, friends, you have a moment.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Foundation of or inspiring light, the god flame of them
and out of the equation. And oddly enough, theoretical physics
keeps coming back to there has to be mankind to
share the knowledge of enlightenment with others. And you know,
(45:45):
so Prometheus, which is like each man is bound to
a rock which is the planet Earth, where where a
flesh eating bird the reality of death, eats his liver
once a day, which decays his individuality. The the lives,
(46:05):
the lives reproducing each time. This is something that I
wrote down here at the bottom, by the way, when
I'm reading right now. The lives reproducing each time each
day is in the beginning. So Promethea's bound. You know,
he's in trouble because he stole the fire from God
brought it to man. He's bound to a rock. And
every day you know this, this bird like crow crow
type character eats out his liver and then the liver
(46:27):
grows back. The next day he does it again, he
does it again. It's this And I'm just thinking that
that's kind of like, you know, symbolic of of what
we all go through every day. Is, you know, every
waking day we have this kind of eating away at
us that we have to be okay with and and
and know that that we have that we are of
(46:53):
the same source of creation as all of creation, and
that and that we have the ability to share with others,
you know, light and hope and love and and joy
and uh and I I think that that that's more
important to share than than even inventions, you know what
(47:19):
I mean. It's like, you know, we might have an
invention that could change the world for the better, but
what But but what I do believe changes the world
for the best is when we all treat each other
with kindness and dignity and and uh and and we're
responsible to to ourselves and others in a way that's uh,
that's that that is spiritually inclined rather than materially you know.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
You know, I mean, I completely agree. I had a
thought that just left me.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
It'll come back to you.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I had a alien point. Oh no, I remember what
it was, shameless plug. But Amish and I recently did
a juxtaposition on apocrypha, and one of one of the
most interesting and controversial things we talked about was the
Gospel of Judas you ever looked into that at all
a little bit, I find it interesting that and because
(48:14):
this is honestly, as somebody who's ordained, as somebody who's
you know, done all the things, I've always found it
interesting that somehow the creator would punish the instrument of
the crucifixion when the crucifixion had to happen. So the
Gospel of Judas, that never really I mean, I've kind
of nibbled at the edges, but that episode we took
a really deep dive on it, and it kind of
(48:36):
kind of ties back into what we're talking about right now.
And at one point in the Gospel of Judish, Judas
actually relates a private conversation between himself and Jesus because
he's kind of chortling at the rest of the apostles
and they're like, they don't even realize they're worshiping the
wrong God, because they're actually worshiping a lesser being, not
the God of you know, not this upper being, that
(48:57):
kind of what you've been discussing, because creation actually happened
at a lower level, So what they consider God is
actually not God. It's the it's the instrument of the creation,
and they're worshiping the instrument of the creation, not the Creator. Yeah,
I just I just kind of I just kind of
stuck with me because that's been the that's been the
one part of the circle I can't square. How can
(49:17):
God be mad at the dude who helped him get
crucified when he had to be crucified. Yeah, I mean,
you know, one part of the circle I've never been
able to square. And then that book, I'm like, oh,
that actually, kah makes sense because and the weirdest thing
(49:37):
is like Judas was kind of in an elevated status
because he grasped everything Jesus was putting down on the
rest of the apostles didn't and Jesus actually, you know,
told him to go do the thing that he knew
he had to do, so it wasn't e underneathing. That
was wasn't expected. And I was like, I gotta admit
that episode kind of worked my brain for a few days,
(49:58):
and I'm still I'm still kind of coming to in
terms with it. But there's so many that you're talking
about in this chapter that kind of resonate with that
very thing, and I was like, that hurt my brain again,
which is why I had that.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Well, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna try and finish up
this chapter here real quick before we end off. We
got ten minutes. Let's see if I can do it.
We find, therefore, in the earliest ages, an ether or
spiritual fire theory by which modern theorists endeavor to explain
the phenomenon of magnetism. The Hindu, for thousands of years past,
(50:33):
cremated their dead earth to earth, that the spirit be
given freedom from the earth. There the Egyptian symbolized that
as a pure ethereal spiritual fire which burns eternally, whose
radiance is raised far above the planet, planets, and stars.
They worshiped this highest being under the name of Athor.
He was the lord of the universe. The Greeks transformed
(50:54):
Athor into Venus, who was looked upon by them in
the same light as Athor. According to the Egyptians, matter
has always been connected with the mind. The Egyptian priests
also maintained that the gods appeared to man, and that
spirits or free souls communicated with the human race. It will,
we trust, never be supposed that we mean material fire,
(51:17):
but only the inexpressible something of which fire, or rather
its flower or glory or bright light, is the farthest off,
because in being visible at all, it is the grossest
and most inadequate image all things visible and invisible, having
been produced by the contention of light with darkness. Only
(51:37):
darkness can reflect light. The earth has denseness in it
in its innumerable heavy commitments downward, and they contain less
and less of the original divine or cosmic light as
they thicken and solidify, the grosser and heavier in matter.
The ancients taught that every object, however stifled or delayed
in its operation, and darkened and thickened in the solid
(51:59):
blame blackness at the base, yet contained a certain possible
deposit or jewel of light, which light, although by natural
process it may take ages to evolve, as light will
tend at last by its own native irresistible force upward,
when it has opportunity, can be liberated. That dead matter
will yield this spirit in a space more or less
(52:20):
expeditious by the art of the alchemists. These are worlds
within worlds. We human organisms are only living in a
dreamlike phase of the grand panorama, unseen and unsuspected, because
in it lies magic. There is an inner magnetism or
divine aura, or ethereal spirit or possible eager fire, shut
(52:42):
and confined as in a prison in the body, or
in all sensible objects which have more or less of
spiritually sensitive life as they can more successfully free themselves
from this pondable material obstruction. Just two more quick sections
because there's some things I did want to try. I
just wanted to say real quick. It's like, you know,
they mentioned that is that that has mattered is denser
(53:04):
and denser. That the further we go down obviously, the
darker it gets. And that's true. You look at at
at the very bottom of the ocean, where where no
light can penetrate. There is still life way way down there,
but it lives in total and utter darkness. And there
are those creatures that create their own light, that that
that radiate their own light from uh, from from their
(53:26):
own bodies. It's it's incredible that you know that these
these creatures can literally glow in the dark. And that's uh,
that's that that's that's just amazing to me. But uh,
but this, you know, these layers of darkness that that
that we have also inside of ourselves, that when we
get down to our most base internal uh existence, it
(53:53):
is in a state of darkness. And in that darkness
is where all of our negative emotions are contained and
and all of our negative thoughts are contained, and our
negative outlooks on life are contained, and our negative behaviors,
our self destructive behaviors, all of that big ball of
of of of pain and discomfort and confusion and lashing
(54:19):
out and all that is all contained in this one place.
And if we can disconnect ourselves from that to the
best of our abilities, we become lighter, and we rise
up out of that darkness into a higher state of
awareness and consciousness. And then then from there it's you know,
there's a totally different relationship to life, so real quick.
(54:40):
It just goes on to say, the great original architect
building his microcosmos of a world from the plans and
powers evoked in the macrocosm or heaven of first forms,
which in their multitude and magnificence are as changeable shadows
cast off from the central immortal first light, who's raised
(55:01):
dark from the center to the extremest point of the
universal circumference. With this immaterial fire or spiritual fire, the
Rosicrucian loosens contradiction and error and conquers the false knowledge
and the deceiving senses which bind the human soul in
its prison. He lays the bridge, as the pontiffects or bridgemaker,
(55:22):
between the world known and the world unknown, and across
this bridge he leads the votary out of his dream
of life, into his dream of temporary death, or into
extinction of the senses and of the proud powers of
the senses, which the world's blindness is the only true
and veritable light. The envelope of flesh falling metaphorically off
(55:43):
the now liberated fire into rhapsody, which is at the
gate of heaven. And you know, just just real quick,
what I get out of that while we have four
minutes left or so. It just that that again that
there there, for whatever reason, the universal consciousness that that
(56:05):
exists out there, uh wants to know itself. And in
order to know itself, it had to manifest a mirror world,
kind of a mirror version of itself, which comes into
manifestation as all the things, you know, the myriad of
manifestations in in in our physical universe that we see
(56:26):
every day, that we encounter every day, and obviously including ourselves,
and that that if you know, if once all of
this is created and exists, yes, it's a it's a reflection.
It's a balanced reflection of the cosmos of the creative
force that's behind it all, and it sits in that
in that balanced state, and then man came along who
(56:48):
became conscious of being conscious, and therefore it's it's in
it's in my my opinion that that that's the whole
reason for humankind's existence is to become conscious of being
conscious so that the universe can acknowledge itself through us.
(57:09):
So when we consciously acknowledge the creative force the universe
and we reflect that back at the universe, there's that
kind of aha moment of sort of like, wow, I
feel like I'm connected up here somehow. I feel it
feels right, it feels good, The vibration is positive, this
feels this feels good, you know, And that that is
(57:32):
to me personally, that that's the moment that that I
would like to see strung out throughout the rest of
my life. But you know, just like all of you,
you know, I deal with the with the daily the
daily struggles of existence like anybody else. You know. These
fundamental truths to me, you know, are only as vivid
(57:54):
as as as I am able to hang on to
the vision of them. And it's easy to fall back
into the daily, the daily routine of the stresses and
pains of life because we have bills to pay, we
have taxes that are due, we have you know, relationship
issues with with with people, we have behavioral issues with ourselves. Uh,
(58:18):
you know, whatever the case may be, is the the
the the whole point is, it's it's a constant just
trying to let go of that, let go of that,
let go of that, and you know it's uh, it's
a painstaking process. But I think that that even though
I haven't experienced it myself. Ell, actually I do know
(58:42):
from from past short term experience of being of being
able to live on that on that kind of level
where where where all the negativity is just water on
a duct's back. It doesn't even stress me out. I
don't trip on it. You know. That's where I'd like
to be on the rags, but uh, but sometimes that's
just not possible. Rick.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
You know, we all want to live there, but I
would like I would like to say for the record,
it's everybody else's behavior that's the problem, not mine. Just kidding.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
On that note, we've reached our hour and uh and
maybe everybody out there just just you know, whoever's watching this,
just take a moment after after this episode is finished
up and just see how you're feeling, feel your vibe,
and see if you can raise that vibe up to
a more excited uh uh universal kind of state. Let's
(59:34):
just you know, just for the heck of it. Why not?
And and God bless you all, Thank you all for
tuning in and being here, and thanks to Kayler and
Radio for hosting this show. And you can find me
at I Am Kornemic across all the different platforms that
letter I letter M my name Kornymic, or on Kornymic
TV on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
And stay tuned for live programming coming up here next
on Klin Radios, we keep our Sunday night lineup coming
to you. And if this doesn't help change your vibe,
I don't know what will.
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