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Speaker 1 (00:01):
More angel course, this drone course, and we have Craig
lunback with us. Craig is the author of Silicon Satan,
which Chris will show you on the screen as we
go along, and also our website coursenation dot com. Craig
(00:22):
has a section on the website. It's devoted to his work.
He's posting a new novel in sections and starting to
do animations. It's quite good. We'll show you that in
a second. But welcome Craig. It's good to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's good to be back. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And Silicon Stan Satan's book. Craig started this. We've been
working on this for six or seven years. I mean,
it seems like forever. It was not a book, not
an easy book to write. I mean, this is essentially
Craig's life story fictionalized. And Craig was a top top
(00:59):
engineer and soon Valley and got to experience the satanic
side of Silicon Valley and then managed to find God
an escape which is remarkable. And the novel is the
journey into darkness and then out of darkness in Silicon Valley.
Now we're showing you here on the website. You can
(01:19):
see here Chris is now showing you there's the to
scroll down, you see the Silicon Valley section and there's
new work on this. There's new work that has not
been published except on the website. And this is Where's
Wally Part two. This is part of the new novel.
And as you go into the section itself, you click
into it and you get additional material because you can
(01:41):
see that there's archived material inside. And as you get
inside it, if it scrolled down, you'll see various of
the cameos and special sections in Silicon Satan which are
covered and they're very interesting, I really and new animations
are coming onto the if you kind of click one
(02:02):
of the animations that you can see how they're really fascinating. Uh.
And there's quite a lot of material in here, So
I think you're going to get deeply into it. I
want to. I want to. What we've been doing in
these podcasts is to kind of dissecting the story and
analyzing it because it's a kind of a dark story
(02:24):
of someone who is, you know, inducted into the rituals
of Satanic activity that define the top of Silicon Valley. Now, Craig,
you're not saying everybody in Silicon Valley is a Satanist. Correct.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Correct, And again there's a distinction between Eliziferians and the
and the Satanists. They don't Elithiferians don't call themselves Satanists.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They don't consider it Satanic ritual what they're doing. They
consider it, Uh, well, they're they're religion. But I just
wanted to make that distinction that that they don't they
don't see themselves as that.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
In other words, they don't get they're evil. They consider
they are following what the the ruler of this space?
I mean, how do they how do they conceptualize it?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, they well, they they consider their god, Lucifer to
be the true God, the good God, the good guy,
the guy that's that's out to save humanity, and that
our god is the bad God. He's the one who
tricked at him and Eve in the garden and Lucifer
is going to get.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Us back there. That's that's the basic of their belief.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And uh, they find the Satanists youthful because they can
blame everything on the Satanists when everything anytime anything goes bad,
they just blame the Satanists.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Right, they don't, but but yet they're rituals are I mean,
they're rituals are quite evil in terms of pedophilia, the
sexual rituals they go through.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And yeah, yeah, they're they're very to us, they're very
evil to them, They're not to them, They're they're fun.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, group sex and drugs and orgies and killing people
on stage and dramatic way to everybody's sexual intensity.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And that's just the build up, right, And so so
the goal of the goal of these like stuff orgies
and stuff isn't isn't sexual gratification. It's it's it's there's
something going on there. There's a purpose to it. There's
a spiritual purpose to it. And Alister Crowley's the one
that kind of opened up all this sex magic.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Sex power.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So they use that to get to whatever they're trying
to get to. So the build up isn't the build
up is I mean, all the stuff that we hear about,
all this the satanic stuff that we hear about, that's
just the build up to to to what what they
ultimately want to.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Do, and what do they ultimately want to do?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, it depends and a lot of time they're doing, uh,
knowledge transfers are they're getting there, they're gaining knowledge somehow.
I never you know, I never really got high enough
to where I was going to those rituals. You know,
I would have had to stuck it out a lot
longer and done a lot, a lot worse things that
I'd already done. But I knew enough about what was
going on. I knew how they were, you know, or
(05:11):
they put spells on people, they put spells on groups
of people, they would, you know, whatever it is they
wanted to do this. It's everything is very ritual oriented,
very ritual centric. Everything has to be and that's and
that's part of their religion, and it's sort of a copy.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Of of what you know of the truth.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know, we we you know, our religion, our worship
is very important, and we we do certain.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Rituals as well. Well. They just they do rituals.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They have their rituals, but they do them a lot more.
And there on the other side, that's.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, and they're dark rituals. I mean, you get. One
of the aspects that Craig is doing is also interpreting
some of the current events in terms of the satanic nature,
the or the Luciferian nature of what's going on. You know,
this one that impressed me the most is this red sky.
And so you know, when you hear someone who's committed
(06:03):
suicide in Hollywood, it may not actually be a suicide,
and that I would want to explain that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Especially if they're hanging themselves on the door knob with
a red scarf. That's why it's called the red scarf suicide.
That used to be I don't see it that much anymore,
but that used to be a message.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
We just off this.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Guy and uh be careful, this is this is what happens.
But I just I just put out an article about
Gene Hackman. They kind of did the same thing that,
you know, the humiliation thing to him. I suspect, I
don't know. I wasn't following him, but I suspect he
was going rogue. You know, he's you know, old old
guys go, you know, the conscience starts to bother them
after a while, and they want to they want to
spill the beans.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
They want to come out.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And get it off their chest and go die peaceful.
And I think he was about to do that. And
not only did they kill him, but they made him.
They stole his legacy, you know, now we all are
going to remember Gene Hackman as some old guy who
died in uh Rat infested a squallor and that that's message,
(07:00):
just like the Red Scarf suicides, the reds Scarff murders,
that's a message to everybody else, do what he did.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
We'll do this to you too.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, there's no out of this. You don't get out
of this. You once you're into it, it's your your, your,
your your you know, where you sign is your life
away to this Luciferian dedication and there's no escape from
it without ruin.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Exactly, yeah, right exactly. And see.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Uh then in the article I kind of spell I
kind of point out that the old actors when when
when the Lyixapharians first infiltrated Hollywood, the old actors, the
old movie stars, you know, rose to fame and fortune
and position, and they were hard, they became hard to handle.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
They were they were going road.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
So that's what's why you see this new breed of
of actors in Hollywood. Now they're a lot easier to control. There,
there very easier control of the matter.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Fact.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So but you know the Gene has when generation he
was ninety five years old, and you know, I found
a picture of him at ninety five, and he look
pretty good for ninety five. But the picture that they're
putting out makes him look old in the crepit and
de minted, and they're doing that on purpose. Now I'm
not I don't, I don't really know gene happened. I mean,
I'm a fan, I guess, But you get to the
(08:18):
point when I got to a point where I've seen
this stuff for so long now that it's really easy
for me to just to spot now, and it's it's
hard to explain it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's really it's very easy to spot.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So if you are not you can live a normal
life and work in Silicon Valley and never be part Luciferians.
But if you want to rise to the top, want
to hit the big time, you're going to have to
join the cult.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Right And if you've noticed, especially these days, the Luciferians,
some people call him Illuminati, some people call him the Jews.
You know, it's all the same group. They have infiltrated
every institution on the planet. So no matter what where
you are, if you want to get to the top,
you're gonna probably if you have to go through the
rituals at this point, I'm pretty much convinced if you
(09:04):
want to get the top of anything, I even see it.
I mean, I'm even starting to see it in this
podcasting world. It's it's there's a lot of money in
it now and when the money comes to Luciferians show up.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, okay. I want to go into some of the
aspects of the novel because it's a great story. It's
the story involves Rog and Roger is an older ego
for Craig fiction wise, who grows up on a ranch
house farm in California, and it begins in California with
(09:41):
him with Roger's a as a young boy. About how
old he's about not is he teenage years?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He's he's preteen when the story starts.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Preteen, yes, I think around.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Eleven ten or eleven when the story begins.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And one of the aspects of the story is the
breakup of the family. And here you're seeing some of
the animations that he that Craig has done. Chris is
showing them on the screen and these animations are quite good.
So when you read internally into our site, into the
various segments and chapters and vignettes that we've got from
(10:23):
Craig's writing. He's now starting to illustrate them so you
can see the visualization of what he's writing about, which
is quite interesting. And I think this brings it all
to life in another dimension and the story I want
to focus on today.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
By the way, By the way, real quickly. Writing the
story was hard because of doing the visuals is even
harder because because I'm you know, I'm re seeing a
lot of this. I just want to point that out.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And reimagining it. I mean, that's why it took you
so long to do it. It's not easy to bring
back to the surface all that you went through, right,
I mean, this stuff is I know this. I'm sure
a lot of it you prefer to forget about. And
that was not easy to do either.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No, And I did an interview this morning and occurred
to me while I was doing an interview that people
are waking up people. You know, I couldn't have talked
about this at all ten years ago like this, and
people are not talking about it. But at the same time,
people still have a long ways. There's still a lot
I haven't shared. There's still a lot going on that
I've just know. I'm I'm waiting for everybody wake up
(11:31):
a little bit more and then we'll go a little
bit deeper.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But sure, yeah, your second album, I'm sure will go
another level deeper. Yeah, and again this I think it's
going to be a series of articles and Okay, what
I want to concentrate today on is the story of
rog and really the breakup of the families. I was
(11:55):
divorce including Rod. When the story begins, Roger's odd family
has broken up, right, is that great? Correct?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Craig correct?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, So he's living with his stepdad on his grandfather's
horse ranch. Pretty much the whole family is there. It's
it's a large enough ranch that everybody's there. It's three
generations of people, a family there. But the family his
family is broken up. Yes, his his dad has been gone,
(12:27):
you know, doesn't even know him.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So his stepdad is Meryll. Could he find he described Meryl.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Give us some idea of the character Meryl.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Merrell was a good guy, good intentions. You know, he
took on, uh, this woman with who had kids and
was during the you know, sixties and seventies when divorce
was still pretty new. Divorce is something that you were
embarrassed of, you know, especially if you're a family, you know.
But out where I was raised on the ranch, there
(12:56):
was a lot of ranches up there, a lot of
cattle ranches and a lot of orgin orchards and orange orchards,
huge operations, and those families broke up too, the same thing.
So these you know, your granddaddy start these these operations,
these enterprises, and two generations later, the kids are so
messed up. You know, my my parents are so messed
(13:16):
up that that that they lose the whole thing. And
it happened everywhere up there that you know, the boors
just kind of ruined everything. And I think it's well,
I know it's by design. And you know, hates the
nuclear family.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Those Saberians hate the nuclear family. They don't want men
and women together pro creating children and raising them in
a moral education.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So you know it started but forty years ago and
they're still doing it today and not how far they've come.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean, so, you know, you you grow up
in single mother homes and then you go out on
your own. Single mothers are not that stable because they've
now got boyfriends and it's it's a mess. Right But
but okay, So, so Merrill was the positive step dad.
What happened to Meryl in the.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Story, in the story that there's just a fight for
control over the ranch. Who's going to control who's going
to take over? So so Roger's grand bothered pops has
promised it to Roger without telling his uncle or his stepdad.
And when you know, when push comes to shove.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Merle kids can't take it.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Merle starts an affair everybody, everybodys screwing everybody out there
again it's a sebtisexual revolution. So he gets caught mess
around with someone who's messing around with someone else, and
that's sort of that's sort of the proverbial straw that
sent him out of there.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You couldn't take any more. So he bailed. How do
he bail? He just packed up his truck and left.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He just left one day. He was gone.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, when they was gone, well, a lot had been happening,
you know, a lot, a lot was happening at that time.
The ranch was falling apart. It was clear that he
wasn't going to take over.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Over. Most of the ranch had.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Been lost through some shady dealings on my uncle's side
or Roger's uncle side.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And so I mean the writing was on the wall.
It was time for him to go.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And he wasn't really getting along with everybody, with anybody anyway.
He was kind of a goof. He tried, he tried
really hard, but he's kind of dumb. Actually, he was
a football job kind of guy. So Claire Clara that
the mother in the story, she kind of went from
her her childhood sweetheart to Merle without really thinking because
(15:34):
she didn't want to be divorced. She didn't want to
be a single.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Mom, right, and uh, you know, the relationships, uh Clara
and Merrill and the relationships of the family are just
kind of dysfunctional. Nobody seems to really connect and uh,
and they're all kind of at odds with each other,
(15:58):
and there's a sexual undertone the whole thing. The then
Pop comes along, who's Pop.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Pops is a grandfather who started the whole ranch. So
Pop Pops and and and Rage have a really good relationship.
And Pops backstories that came from Texas and came to
California to ride the real estate boom and he was
very successful. So he built his dream ranch and his
(16:27):
children lost it for him, so he ended up back
in Texas. You know, living in a neighborhood house somewhere.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Right, and the different characters that come in and out
of it. There's Conrad, who's Conrad.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So Conrad is actually Sloan's.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Father, right, and Sona is the girlfriend of Roger, and
both preteens even having sex.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So when when when Roger and Sloan ultimately end up
getting married at the same time Clara and Conrad are
getting married. So it's like he's marrying his step sister.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Right, He's marrying his stepsister, right, And that's pretty messed up,
but it happens. Probably probably added to the kind of
the evil excitement of it. I mean, they kind of
out of the ordinary excitement of it. This is the edgy.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, from from Roger's perspective, growing up, his peculiar perspective,
family that they the destruction of the family was was
considered a good thing. It's like, oh good, we're free now,
we can go do whatever we want. We're young people,
we were free of all this this, uh, you know,
the generation of the gap. So it was it wasn't
(17:48):
like everybody was sad about the you know, family is
breaking up, even though it was going on all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Around us. We didn't seem to care to.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I mean, we weren't too worried about it. Unfortunately, too
bad we weren't, because look at where we are today.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Right. But again, the sexual activity between Sloan and rog
which is the beginning of this time, you know, the
other characters know about it. I mean, Clara knows about it,
and Conrad knows about it, and they're all kind of
accepting it. It's like it's normal.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It's normal, it's it's and they see it as exceptional.
It's like, oh, good, look, I'm proud.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Of you kids.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You're having sex already.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, you're on your way to becoming adults and living
your own life.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And go ahead, go do it. We got stuff to
do over here. Yeah, we're busy, right, We're busy, right,
go find something to do. So we did well.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It seems like all through the story, Roger is looking
for a real father. Yeah, and he keeps looking at
these bouncing around trying to find another one. And the
people who's finding are dysfunctional, they're not really appropriate, right,
So I mean he comes into uh, Louis, who's Louis.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Louis a hippie cowboy out there he was. He was
the head head wrangler, you know, your consumate of hippie cowboy,
and he and Roger had a pretty good relationship for
a long time. And then but all these men that
came in and out of Broadger's loft, they either they
either betrayed him or.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
They belled on him.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And so he could by the time he reached his
Silicon Valley, he sort of has an attitude about the
world that, you know, I'm I'm I'm in this alone
and by myself, and I gotta I gotta figure this out.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
There's nobody I can go to. I can't trust anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But then when he meets you know, there's these big
wigs in Silicon Valley, it's like, this is the whole
new class of men.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I'm gonna hook up at these guys. This is great.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah. Well, and again it's a the sex undertone. All
of this is always there and it'll be it's just
kind of normal and it's expected, kind of almost it's
it's kind of the undertone of the whole story. I mean,
(20:10):
you know, I I and yet it's it's completely it's
not so much the forbidden aspect of it, but the
fact that it's you know, like you do with Roger
and soon having sex as pretty teens. Well there, it
has nothing to do with procreation, has nothing to do
with really understanding what sex is deeply about, but it
(20:34):
is yet enticing.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, when I when I started writing this book, I
didn't really I you know, it was like, well, how
do these two people meet? There's just two people, It's
like sex, Well, how does happen? I'll start with sexing.
I realize that everything that everything kind of started with
I really didn't realize until I sat writing the book.
How ow you know, looking back, everybody was having sex
all the time. Everybody was everybody with orgies and and
(20:57):
and just you know, casual sex and even sex that
you're kind of bored with Andy and that That wasn't
the worst.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Thing though to me.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That was that was just sort of a side problem.
The bigger problems were, you know, the rituals and trying
to get out of that.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But but yeah, it begins, it begins with with with sex.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You know, they're grooming these kids for not just to
be sexual, but to be sort of anti everything, anti
everything that's good. You know, maybe you know you look,
you're taught not to explore sexually.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But then when you're encouraged to that means.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Oh, I can explore the other taboos as well, because
if I can get away with this one, you know,
I'm talking as a young kid, as young man. If
I can get away with this, if this is okay
and good and fun and profitable, well I'll.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Do this too.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'll do the next thing. And pretty soon you're you've
got a whole, big, long line of things that you've done.
And I say, well, this is a lifestyle. Now now
I'm on my way to something and it's fun.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, And I mean the scenes you know that I'm
just reading it. You know, a scene where the two
of them are essentially pulling their pants down and exposing
themselves to each other, Rog and Sloane and just kind
of laughing about it. It's you know, and and blowing
to Ba basically says that you know that she said
(22:23):
that was fun, and she she says, well, she doesn't
want to quit yet, so she said, let's go swimming.
Well we don't have swimsuits. We go naked, like we're
both taking a bath. And so again it becomes so
much of a one thing leads to another. It seems innocent,
but yet when you realize what's going on, it's again
the breakup of the family, the sexualization of children, which
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the pedophila aspect of it, which a lot of the
Luciferians have. You know, there's so much of the pedophilia
that goes hand in hand with the Luciferian nature of this.
You know, the Hollywood glitterati or Silicon Valley or New
York Upper Society or any of these cult dark cult
(23:08):
cultists have to do with sexualization of children. And that's
why is that?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Do you think, Well, there's a there's a long history
of of why the Luciferians like incest, pedophilia and uh,
the androgine. It's it's really hard to explain just kind
of sitting here, but it's more to it than just uh,
a sex thing. It's it's you know, I was talking
(23:38):
to these guys earlier today and I was remembering, you know,
when you go into a when I went to that
room with those guys, those old men, uh, you're kind
of your whole world changes instantly because you realize you're
you're in a room with with something that's connected, something
that's very very ancient, very very powerful and very very scary.
(23:59):
And even if the thing happened, when you walk out
of that room, your your your your world view is different.
The analogy I was using this it's like, it's like
if you had a big foot encounter, and not just
one where you think you saw them, but where there's
these Sasquatches in front of you and they're and they're
trying to decide what to do with you, and you
can smell them. And when you walk away from that experience,
you're gonna be your world view is going to change.
(24:19):
You can't tell anybody because nobody's gonna believe you. But
and when you hear other people talking about, well do
Luciferians really do sas Squatch really exists? You're gonna it's
gonna be aggravating because you know that they do, and
there's no way to tell them except you know, maybe
they're gonna have their own encounter one day.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, this is the you're talking about the initiation of
rog into the cult, which is the elders, these old men,
these young older men who assemble. Yeah, it ends up
in sonomizing Rog.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What I was trying to get, I guess was that
was the whole, how how deep the power, how how
much your.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Depth ris to all this.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's when you're on the outside looking in, it's really
hard to imagine.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You know, what what goes on.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But but you know, I have had experiences where I've
I've just I don't know why I felt that way,
but you could just you can really fill something is
with you, something is in the room. Something you can
fill the goosebumps. It's it's it's it's weird.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, you're inrovoking powers that are dark powers.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, and they're they're here and they're there.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, and so the different So it goes from Merrill,
who's pretty basically okay in terms of taking care of rage,
to others like Easy and uh Conrad.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Easy Easy was one of those take take them on,
you know, take this kid under my wing kind of guys,
you know, a good guy but with bad habits.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And then you end up with Lee Nelson, who's Lee Nelson.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Lean Nelson is the it's kind of the main antagonist. Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
He's he's the one that sort of uh rings Rog
all the way in to uh to the point return really,
I mean he kind of hooks up with him right away,
and the reason why is because Roger has a brilliant
computer scientist and he does some stuff that impresses Lee
to the point that he wants to own him.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And that's kind of the way it works.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know, he saw something in this kid and he
wants it, and you know he gets what he.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Wants, right, I mean, it's the whole thing with Lee
is the real power, I mean, the real dark power
that enters into it and explains to and gets Roge
deeper deeper into the the practices. And there's one of
(26:46):
the paragraphs here that what you're you're looking you have
an encounter with Lee and uh, there's this photo that
he's looking at and Lee's own family. By this mister
Desmond had been selected for the blood rituals sacrifice. Now
(27:07):
what's the blood ritual sacrifice?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, there's a lot of different there's a lot of
different ones that the the blood rituals are the most important.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Those are the ones that you get the most power from.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And you know, it involves sacrifice, and the more the
more innocent the victim, the more.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Power you get. That's why they choose.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Children and infants and and yeah, so uh, then there's
you know the gravy rituals. Everybody has to do the
gravy rituals.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh, it's just just you know.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Everybody in Hollywood, everybody in Motown, everybody have done them
if they say they haven't. You know, I was listening
to Terrence uh Howard the other day, so we're trying
to back pedalos way out of that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He's like, well, you know I didn't. We did. Well,
you couldn't. There's no way you could have got where
you are. It didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
And then there's the humiliation rituals, which was kind of constant,
and it's just a way of controlling people is to
put them through these humiliation You see that in Hollywood
a lot. You know, every time a macho after wears
a dress that's a humiliation ritual. Every time they make
them take a role that makes them look stupid. I mean,
if I was a Hollywood after, I would only take
(28:15):
certain role because I would want to, you know, foster
a certain look.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But you know, they make.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Them do whatever they wanted to do, and a lot
of it's humiliating, and it's just a show. They didn't
need to do that. I mean, it kind of did
it a little bit back in the old days. But
they do it to everybody now they have to, they
have to control these people.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And so it's it's control is a lot of it,
and uh.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's all extortion. It's just it's all blackmail.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah. Once once you engage this behavior, now they're your
subjects to blackmail.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Right, And that that's the problem they had with me,
is because I didn't care if nobody they could blackmail
me too, they could, well who they're gonna tell you know,
everybody was nobody cared, and the ones I did care
were either dead or missing. So it made so I
mean I'm talking about me in particularly, so it made it.
It made it easy, not easy. It made it possible
for me more possible for me to get out of
(29:11):
there because they could. It wasn't for you know, I mean,
I mean, I'm talking about it right right now, right,
so you can't blackmail.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Me with it right right. And one of the scenes,
who's Malcolm.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Malcolm Malcolm is sort of represents their hit man, their
their typical hit man. And I knew a couple of Malcolm,
the one, the one in particular. It's funny he looked
a lot like that FBI guy Peter Strozik or the
creepy guy. Yeah, yeah, Peters, Yeah, they had the same look,
you know, that same.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Creepy demonic creepy demonic.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I mean you know that, you know that something's
controlling them. I don't. I don't mean to talk about him, but.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
No, it's just it. Certainly he looked bizarre somehow or other.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, so I read it a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So, yeah, I was surprised that they put him out
there because that is our look. I've seen it a
lot and you don't really see it's one of those
hidden uh, one of those hidden gus. They don't come
out too often. When they do come out, you know,
something serious is happening. That would be the guy that
would that would facilitate the Red Scarf murders.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
In fact, who is Annie in the story?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I don't remember, rather renamember.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
They murdered Anne in her bedroom. He and Malcolm with
his dark sunglasses and black cloth of the gloves.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That was probably uh the leave Nelson's ex wife or
previous wife.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yes, yeah, she finds him waiting when she gets out
of her morning shower, while Malcolm strangles Anne with one
of her own scarf, face down, one of her own
scarfs based down on the bed. The pokes are in
a vein behind the knee with a large needle, and
holds the silk handkerchief against the wound until Anne is dead.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Right handkerchiefs with the death blood. That's that's the trophy.
That's whatever, that's a trophy.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
That's a collect Yeah. So they put that in a
plastic sandwich baggy and Malcolm hangs and' his body by
the neck with a scarf over the knob of the
bathroom door. Make it look like a suicide. They tosses
the fake suicide letter next to her body, cuts the
lock of her hair, and stuffs it into a cigar
tube souvenir. He says in a sinster voice, this doesn't
(31:36):
look like naked like that. Puts some clothes on this
thing and meet me in the car, Malcolm instructs lee.
He goes to the bathroom, returns with Annie's underwear, bra
on bathrobe. He dresses her in a hurry without emotion,
stares her lifeless body, then wipes his hands on his
trousers and leaves. So it's all kind of it's all
(31:57):
kind of emotionless but yet very sinister.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But by the time, by the time someone like Lee
has reached that point, he doesn't see everybody else's people anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
They really, they really believe.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
That they have evolved in their own lifetime into something grander,
you know, something godlike.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
By by going to all these rituals.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
You know, because again, when you're in that, when you're
when you're in these places, and you know, I didn't
get that deep into it.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I got deep enough to.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Where it was pretty scary, and you know, it's affected
my entire life. But when you start doing this routinely
and you're seeking it out, I mean, can you imagine
what that too? But that does to a person, but
that that's a person's own self image. You know, they
really believe that they have real power in a.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Way they do well.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
In the next scene, Lee is eating sea bass and
bloody steak, and this yacht broker comes and he signs
a check for one million, five hundred and five thousand
dollars and hands it to Frasier was overwhelmed by having
such a large check in his possession. He's a yacht
(33:09):
broker all his life, he's been one. And where does
anybody pay cash? And so again, uh, it's the evil
nature so much money, so so much success, and it's
right on top of him having killed his and with
I think it was his wife, his wife and done
(33:32):
again in a one of the Red Scarf killings.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Right, So so that that that would be considered a
blood ritual. So, you know, blood rituals can be that,
or it could be a group of people sacrificing you know,
something a human usually you know, usually an infant. Yeah,
the movie Mother, I think I sent you the clip
where they actually show that that ritual. And I've had
(33:58):
you know where where there their sacrifice a baby.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I think it was Elizabeth Hurley or something the start.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yes, but other people have seen that, and I've had
people come to me and say, well, that's just that's
just artistic representation of the Catholic you uh, Eucharist. You know,
the baby represents Jesus. That's okay, fine, you believe that,
And but their their claims. That's where I got It's like, no,
I was talking about this years before that movie came out.
(34:26):
You know a lot of people were not just I
was barely talking about it, but there was people talking
about it years.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You and I were talking about it before.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We were talking about Yes, we were talking about it
years before. But the the whole undertone of this, and
it gets it gets deeper and deeper into the book,
you begin to understand more deeply the blood rituals, the
killing of babies, the the producing of the fear in babies,
(34:52):
which then they take this drug out of the baby's blood.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
What is the drug, Well, they creates something called it adrenochrome.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We we kind we we.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I knew it was cro I didn't know what it
was back then, and that's the truth. I didn't know
what it was. I think I had it once, but
we call it getting chromed.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Very powerful.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, and so the bab.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
The victims that they use in the blood rituals aren't
the ones that they drained to get their drink. That's
that's a whole different manufacturing center. That's where you know,
like eds Seine's baby farm, That's that's what those are for.
We're adrenochrome, Yeah, that's that's where they that's it involves
frightening the child in order to get this these.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Uh I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Hormones into the bloodstream, which they then mind.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
The whole thing is very scientific, very very biological. They
have it down to a science That's why they choose
children too, is because children can't control their their fear.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Responses as as well as as adults.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And they over they overload very quickly, especially when they
start crying, you know, and they get they get in
that weird, uh sort hyperventilating mode.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's kind of what they're they're they're they're striving for.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Adults don't really do that anymore, but children do once
they get into that hyperventilating mode, and then they reach
a point that they're ready for harvest.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I really hate talking like this, but it's a fact
of life. Well.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I mean again, we're we're talking about these things not
just sensationalize them, but because it's important for everybody to
understand what goes on.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
It is and people are. People are, Like I said,
people are. I can see if people are catching. I
never would have never thought I would talk about I
never thought I would be doing this right now.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I mean, I'm old enough now that doesn't scare me.
What are they going to do? But there's enough people
talking about it.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Now that that something's gonna happen one way or another.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Something soon is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Well, I think the just the writing of the book
and creating this part of the website of Coorse Nation
is uh shocking a lot of people. But what happens
with this book is you read it. At first, it
seems like it's hard to keep going, and then it
gets addictive. I mean, you read it right to the end,
(37:12):
and people get to be fascinated with it in terms
of you know, there's deeper, deeper, the darker and darker
it gets. And then then there's an attempt by Roger
to pull out of it, which is equally difficult because
you don't leave this. You don't leave this called easily.
(37:32):
You lose everything. In the process of losing everything, you're
abandoned and left hopeless. No money, no connections, no nobody
responding to your phone calls.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And especially for someone like Roger who doesn't really there's
no you know, there's no there's nobody really to go
to at that point, there's there's there's no there's no network,
there's no family, there's no there's nothing left. Just that
makes it even hard. It makes it hard, but also
makes it a lot easier. It's easier to hide, but
it makes it really hard going you know, going out
on your on your own completely on your own, like
that is difficult.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, they summoning up of this dark power and the
living in this Luciferian hatred on the what it leads
to in terms of the sexual rituals or the blood rituals,
or the suicides or all of these things are in
a sense demonic because their their counter life. There their
(38:28):
hate life. They're filled with hate. They're destructive, right, and
there's nothing positive about any of this. The pleasure is
taken in someone else's pain or embarrassment or abuse or
torture or murder, and the pleasure derived from that is
(38:50):
the heightened experience, the heightened appreciation of a higher level
in which this kind of behavior is an expression of power.
Mm hmm, dark power and the worship. We get that
dark power.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, you know, as you know, I was very apprehensive
about writing this book because I thought people would either
consider me some kind of monster or a liar.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
But I'm finding that people really aren't doing either.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
They're they're actually bonafidely interested, not in a not in
a morbid way, but in a you know, I need
to know more about this because I'm seeing it too.
We're starting to see it too, you know, we're you know,
I want to know more.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Well, as more interviews we do, the more accessible we
make it to people when we start talking about it,
the more I think people are going to want to
read it and want to know more in depth of
what it's all about. And it's you know, it took
you a long time to do the first one and
to learn how to write, and to learn how to
(39:54):
tell a story and to construct the characters and make
the narrative flow. But I think you come along way
in that ability, and these.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Are that's that's a result I hook it up with you,
which to me is, you know, is a god thing.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I never I couldn't have written this book if I
didn't ran into you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But the fact that it's written is you know, your experience,
what you went through and then you got out of
it allows you now to expose this world for what
it is. And so things that people experience and watch
on television and see, you know, happening in Hollywood or
(40:33):
happening in New York City, or happening in any of
the glitterati you know, which looked bizarre, fits into this
dark power logic, which is fundamentally destroying other people are
destroying their dignity, destroying their sexuality, destroying their families, just
(40:55):
destroying their image of themselves, demeaning rituals, which you know
are very very base.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Everything is exact opposite of the love of God.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's exactly. It has nothing to do with nurturing God.
Love advance all negative destruction, and the power is all
negative destruction. So it's the best comprehension I think through
the story that you can get of what evil is
really like. And it's kind of banal. I mean, it's
(41:28):
kind of almost pathetic. It's it's it's so bizarre and evil,
you'd say, how can anyone possibly indulge in this, except
that it has the dominance over another, it has the
characteristic of power and serving evil, and as such, it's
it becomes seductive.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
M h.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
You'd agree, I do, especially when you're you're rewarded so greatly.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, it's it's and these are the ones who succeed.
Everything they do touches to gold, Everything that touch comes
to gold.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And so as you as you're going down that path,
you can see that the people at the other end,
and these are the people that.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Are the richest people on the planet.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, and that's that's where you're heading that you know,
how else you know, it's it's amazing that you've eve
been on that path and you want to get there.
You want to be one of those I want to
have seven mansions, you know, all over the world, big bunker.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Well, I'm going to recommend that everybody get the and
read the Silicon Satan and get into understanding how what
we're really seeing in this Luciferian elite, and you know,
the power of the prestige, the privilege that these people
are awarded comes from these dark arts of rituals that
(42:50):
are almost so frightening. They're hard to read the first time.
After you've read it a bit, and after you've gotten
into it, it becomes you become kind of it's desensitized
to it. And even then it's frightening because you begin
to find yourself understanding and accepting this as a world
that's you know, the viable that it exists, that it's
(43:13):
hidden and dark, and the seductive power of that is great.
And so you have to make a decision, is this
which path are you going to go down? And I
think we're seeing increasingly more people are understanding and waking
up to say they reject this path.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
It's not just it's not just keeping people off the path,
it's it's getting rid of the people.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's getting rid of the path. You got to get
rid of the path. I mean. But all people don't
need to be that rich. You don't need to be
that wealthy. You know. I saw a study where.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
We divide all the all the wealth in the world.
Everybody gets fifteen thousand dollars per lifetime. So why do
these people have so much they don't need, They're never
going to spend it. It's just it's just power and position.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And self glorification exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
So yeah, I mean, the solution is to get rid
of the solution is to make I remember my grandfather
was wealthy, but he was embarrassed by he hit as
wealth and everybody that all all of all the men
did back then. You know, wealth is something that you
just kind of kept quite in brag about it. Now
you're bragg it down and your brag about greed is
considered a good thing.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
All right, Well, Craig, thanks for coming back, and we'll
do more of this. We'll keep her into the story,
we'll read more of it. Well, I'll get and watch
some of your We'll get into what's on the website
and look at some of these videos. There's quite a
bit more. I want to make this a regular feature
of the show. I want to build you as an author,
get people to pay attention to the works and get
(44:42):
into it, because I think it's only accessible through the
fictionalization of it, which makes it readable and understandable in
terms of the psychology. But it's still horrific.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Well thanks for having again.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay, Well, it's great, great pleasure to have here in
the sense it's it's it's never easy, it's never really fun,
But the pleasure in it is I want to shed
light on this, and the pleasure is really in the
uncovering and the illuminaty this darkness, because it's it's ultimately weak,
(45:21):
it's ultimately self destructive, it's ultimately a lie, and once
people understand that, it loses its attractiveness. But again, it's
going to be an exploration into darkness in order to
emerge back into the light. Okay, sector Drone Corsi and
(45:45):
we've been talking with Craig Lund, who is the author
of Silicon Satan. We have a section of the website
of course the Nation dot com dedicated to Craig's continuing writing.
You get to see the new novel in progress and
sections being published on corsination dot com with animations, and
it's a fascinating topic. And I think we're going to
(46:06):
do ultimately. I see this could be a series of
Netflix or a series somewhere or other, because this is
going to have to be dramatized. We're going to have
to be shown to people in a way that it
becomes mass market property and shown for the fact that
it is evil and has got to be resisted. Okay,
doctor John Corsi, thank you for joining us. And then
(46:28):
God always wins. God will win here too, and I
think it's Bird the second Chronicle seven fourteen. We have
to ask God to forgive us for letting it get
to this evil point, and God will hear our prayer
and heal our land. Any final thoughts Craig.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Today, Nope, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Thanks, Okay, Thank you for joining us this Coursenation dot com.
We're doing podcasts every weekday. Thank you for joining us.
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which Chris will show you on the screen as we
go along, and also our website coursenation dot com. Craig
(00:22):
has a section on the website. It's devoted to his work.
He's posting a new novel in sections and starting to
do animations. It's quite good. We'll show you that in
a second. But welcome Craig. It's good to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's good to be back. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And Silicon Stan Satan's book. Craig started this. We've been
working on this for six or seven years. I mean,
it seems like forever. It was not a book, not
an easy book to write. I mean, this is essentially
Craig's life story fictionalized. And Craig was a top top
(00:59):
engineer and soon Valley and got to experience the satanic
side of Silicon Valley and then managed to find God
an escape which is remarkable. And the novel is the
journey into darkness and then out of darkness in Silicon Valley.
Now we're showing you here on the website. You can
(01:19):
see here Chris is now showing you there's the to
scroll down, you see the Silicon Valley section and there's
new work on this. There's new work that has not
been published except on the website. And this is Where's
Wally Part two. This is part of the new novel.
And as you go into the section itself, you click
into it and you get additional material because you can
(01:41):
see that there's archived material inside. And as you get
inside it, if it scrolled down, you'll see various of
the cameos and special sections in Silicon Satan which are
covered and they're very interesting, I really and new animations
are coming onto the if you kind of click one
(02:02):
of the animations that you can see how they're really fascinating. Uh.
And there's quite a lot of material in here, So
I think you're going to get deeply into it. I
want to. I want to. What we've been doing in
these podcasts is to kind of dissecting the story and
analyzing it because it's a kind of a dark story
(02:24):
of someone who is, you know, inducted into the rituals
of Satanic activity that define the top of Silicon Valley. Now, Craig,
you're not saying everybody in Silicon Valley is a Satanist. Correct.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Correct, And again there's a distinction between Eliziferians and the
and the Satanists. They don't Elithiferians don't call themselves Satanists.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They don't consider it Satanic ritual what they're doing. They
consider it, Uh, well, they're they're religion. But I just
wanted to make that distinction that that they don't they
don't see themselves as that.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
In other words, they don't get they're evil. They consider
they are following what the the ruler of this space?
I mean, how do they how do they conceptualize it?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, they well, they they consider their god, Lucifer to
be the true God, the good God, the good guy,
the guy that's that's out to save humanity, and that
our god is the bad God. He's the one who
tricked at him and Eve in the garden and Lucifer
is going to get.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Us back there. That's that's the basic of their belief.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And uh, they find the Satanists youthful because they can
blame everything on the Satanists when everything anytime anything goes bad,
they just blame the Satanists.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Right, they don't, but but yet they're rituals are I mean,
they're rituals are quite evil in terms of pedophilia, the
sexual rituals they go through.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And yeah, yeah, they're they're very to us, they're very
evil to them, They're not to them, They're they're fun.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, group sex and drugs and orgies and killing people
on stage and dramatic way to everybody's sexual intensity.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And that's just the build up, right, And so so
the goal of the goal of these like stuff orgies
and stuff isn't isn't sexual gratification. It's it's it's there's
something going on there. There's a purpose to it. There's
a spiritual purpose to it. And Alister Crowley's the one
that kind of opened up all this sex magic.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Sex power.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So they use that to get to whatever they're trying
to get to. So the build up isn't the build
up is I mean, all the stuff that we hear about,
all this the satanic stuff that we hear about, that's
just the build up to to to what what they
ultimately want to.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Do, and what do they ultimately want to do?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, it depends and a lot of time they're doing, uh,
knowledge transfers are they're getting there, they're gaining knowledge somehow.
I never you know, I never really got high enough
to where I was going to those rituals. You know,
I would have had to stuck it out a lot
longer and done a lot, a lot worse things that
I'd already done. But I knew enough about what was
going on. I knew how they were, you know, or
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they put spells on people, they put spells on groups
of people, they would, you know, whatever it is they
wanted to do this. It's everything is very ritual oriented,
very ritual centric. Everything has to be and that's and
that's part of their religion, and it's sort of a copy.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Of of what you know of the truth.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know, we we you know, our religion, our worship
is very important, and we we do certain.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Rituals as well. Well. They just they do rituals.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They have their rituals, but they do them a lot more.
And there on the other side, that's.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, and they're dark rituals. I mean, you get. One
of the aspects that Craig is doing is also interpreting
some of the current events in terms of the satanic nature,
the or the Luciferian nature of what's going on. You know,
this one that impressed me the most is this red sky.
And so you know, when you hear someone who's committed
(06:03):
suicide in Hollywood, it may not actually be a suicide,
and that I would want to explain that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Especially if they're hanging themselves on the door knob with
a red scarf. That's why it's called the red scarf suicide.
That used to be I don't see it that much anymore,
but that used to be a message.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
We just off this.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Guy and uh be careful, this is this is what happens.
But I just I just put out an article about
Gene Hackman. They kind of did the same thing that,
you know, the humiliation thing to him. I suspect, I
don't know. I wasn't following him, but I suspect he
was going rogue. You know, he's you know, old old
guys go, you know, the conscience starts to bother them
after a while, and they want to they want to
spill the beans.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
They want to come out.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And get it off their chest and go die peaceful.
And I think he was about to do that. And
not only did they kill him, but they made him.
They stole his legacy, you know, now we all are
going to remember Gene Hackman as some old guy who
died in uh Rat infested a squallor and that that's message,
(07:00):
just like the Red Scarf suicides, the reds Scarff murders,
that's a message to everybody else, do what he did.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
We'll do this to you too.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, there's no out of this. You don't get out
of this. You once you're into it, it's your your, your,
your your you know, where you sign is your life
away to this Luciferian dedication and there's no escape from
it without ruin.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Exactly, yeah, right exactly. And see.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Uh then in the article I kind of spell I
kind of point out that the old actors when when
when the Lyixapharians first infiltrated Hollywood, the old actors, the
old movie stars, you know, rose to fame and fortune
and position, and they were hard, they became hard to handle.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
They were they were going road.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
So that's what's why you see this new breed of
of actors in Hollywood. Now they're a lot easier to control. There,
there very easier control of the matter.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Fact.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So but you know the Gene has when generation he
was ninety five years old, and you know, I found
a picture of him at ninety five, and he look
pretty good for ninety five. But the picture that they're
putting out makes him look old in the crepit and
de minted, and they're doing that on purpose. Now I'm
not I don't, I don't really know gene happened. I mean,
I'm a fan, I guess, But you get to the
(08:18):
point when I got to a point where I've seen
this stuff for so long now that it's really easy
for me to just to spot now, and it's it's
hard to explain it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's really it's very easy to spot.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So if you are not you can live a normal
life and work in Silicon Valley and never be part Luciferians.
But if you want to rise to the top, want
to hit the big time, you're going to have to
join the cult.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Right And if you've noticed, especially these days, the Luciferians,
some people call him Illuminati, some people call him the Jews.
You know, it's all the same group. They have infiltrated
every institution on the planet. So no matter what where
you are, if you want to get to the top,
you're gonna probably if you have to go through the
rituals at this point, I'm pretty much convinced if you
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want to get the top of anything, I even see it.
I mean, I'm even starting to see it in this
podcasting world. It's it's there's a lot of money in
it now and when the money comes to Luciferians show up.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, okay. I want to go into some of the
aspects of the novel because it's a great story. It's
the story involves Rog and Roger is an older ego
for Craig fiction wise, who grows up on a ranch
house farm in California, and it begins in California with
(09:41):
him with Roger's a as a young boy. About how
old he's about not is he teenage years?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He's he's preteen when the story starts.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Preteen, yes, I think around.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Eleven ten or eleven when the story begins.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And one of the aspects of the story is the
breakup of the family. And here you're seeing some of
the animations that he that Craig has done. Chris is
showing them on the screen and these animations are quite good.
So when you read internally into our site, into the
various segments and chapters and vignettes that we've got from
(10:23):
Craig's writing. He's now starting to illustrate them so you
can see the visualization of what he's writing about, which
is quite interesting. And I think this brings it all
to life in another dimension and the story I want
to focus on today.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
By the way, By the way, real quickly. Writing the
story was hard because of doing the visuals is even
harder because because I'm you know, I'm re seeing a
lot of this. I just want to point that out.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And reimagining it. I mean, that's why it took you
so long to do it. It's not easy to bring
back to the surface all that you went through, right,
I mean, this stuff is I know this. I'm sure
a lot of it you prefer to forget about. And
that was not easy to do either.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No, And I did an interview this morning and occurred
to me while I was doing an interview that people
are waking up people. You know, I couldn't have talked
about this at all ten years ago like this, and
people are not talking about it. But at the same time,
people still have a long ways. There's still a lot
I haven't shared. There's still a lot going on that
I've just know. I'm I'm waiting for everybody wake up
(11:31):
a little bit more and then we'll go a little
bit deeper.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But sure, yeah, your second album, I'm sure will go
another level deeper. Yeah, and again this I think it's
going to be a series of articles and Okay, what
I want to concentrate today on is the story of
rog and really the breakup of the families. I was
(11:55):
divorce including Rod. When the story begins, Roger's odd family
has broken up, right, is that great? Correct?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Craig correct?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, So he's living with his stepdad on his grandfather's
horse ranch. Pretty much the whole family is there. It's
it's a large enough ranch that everybody's there. It's three
generations of people, a family there. But the family his
family is broken up. Yes, his his dad has been gone,
(12:27):
you know, doesn't even know him.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So his stepdad is Meryll. Could he find he described Meryl.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Give us some idea of the character Meryl.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Merrell was a good guy, good intentions. You know, he
took on, uh, this woman with who had kids and
was during the you know, sixties and seventies when divorce
was still pretty new. Divorce is something that you were
embarrassed of, you know, especially if you're a family, you know.
But out where I was raised on the ranch, there
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was a lot of ranches up there, a lot of
cattle ranches and a lot of orgin orchards and orange orchards,
huge operations, and those families broke up too, the same thing.
So these you know, your granddaddy start these these operations,
these enterprises, and two generations later, the kids are so
messed up. You know, my my parents are so messed
(13:16):
up that that that they lose the whole thing. And
it happened everywhere up there that you know, the boors
just kind of ruined everything. And I think it's well,
I know it's by design. And you know, hates the
nuclear family.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Those Saberians hate the nuclear family. They don't want men
and women together pro creating children and raising them in
a moral education.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So you know it started but forty years ago and
they're still doing it today and not how far they've come.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean, so, you know, you you grow up
in single mother homes and then you go out on
your own. Single mothers are not that stable because they've
now got boyfriends and it's it's a mess. Right But
but okay, So, so Merrill was the positive step dad.
What happened to Meryl in the.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Story, in the story that there's just a fight for
control over the ranch. Who's going to control who's going
to take over? So so Roger's grand bothered pops has
promised it to Roger without telling his uncle or his stepdad.
And when you know, when push comes to shove.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Merle kids can't take it.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Merle starts an affair everybody, everybodys screwing everybody out there
again it's a sebtisexual revolution. So he gets caught mess
around with someone who's messing around with someone else, and
that's sort of that's sort of the proverbial straw that
sent him out of there.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You couldn't take any more. So he bailed. How do
he bail? He just packed up his truck and left.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He just left one day. He was gone.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, when they was gone, well, a lot had been happening,
you know, a lot, a lot was happening at that time.
The ranch was falling apart. It was clear that he
wasn't going to take over.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Over. Most of the ranch had.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Been lost through some shady dealings on my uncle's side
or Roger's uncle side.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And so I mean the writing was on the wall.
It was time for him to go.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And he wasn't really getting along with everybody, with anybody anyway.
He was kind of a goof. He tried, he tried
really hard, but he's kind of dumb. Actually, he was
a football job kind of guy. So Claire Clara that
the mother in the story, she kind of went from
her her childhood sweetheart to Merle without really thinking because
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she didn't want to be divorced. She didn't want to
be a single.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Mom, right, and uh, you know, the relationships, uh Clara
and Merrill and the relationships of the family are just
kind of dysfunctional. Nobody seems to really connect and uh,
and they're all kind of at odds with each other,
(15:58):
and there's a sexual undertone the whole thing. The then
Pop comes along, who's Pop.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Pops is a grandfather who started the whole ranch. So
Pop Pops and and and Rage have a really good relationship.
And Pops backstories that came from Texas and came to
California to ride the real estate boom and he was
very successful. So he built his dream ranch and his
(16:27):
children lost it for him, so he ended up back
in Texas. You know, living in a neighborhood house somewhere.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Right, and the different characters that come in and out
of it. There's Conrad, who's Conrad.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So Conrad is actually Sloan's.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Father, right, and Sona is the girlfriend of Roger, and
both preteens even having sex.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So when when when Roger and Sloan ultimately end up
getting married at the same time Clara and Conrad are
getting married. So it's like he's marrying his step sister.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Right, He's marrying his stepsister, right, And that's pretty messed up,
but it happens. Probably probably added to the kind of
the evil excitement of it. I mean, they kind of
out of the ordinary excitement of it. This is the edgy.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, from from Roger's perspective, growing up, his peculiar perspective,
family that they the destruction of the family was was
considered a good thing. It's like, oh good, we're free now,
we can go do whatever we want. We're young people,
we were free of all this this, uh, you know,
the generation of the gap. So it was it wasn't
(17:48):
like everybody was sad about the you know, family is
breaking up, even though it was going on all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Around us. We didn't seem to care to.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I mean, we weren't too worried about it. Unfortunately, too
bad we weren't, because look at where we are today.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Right. But again, the sexual activity between Sloan and rog
which is the beginning of this time, you know, the
other characters know about it. I mean, Clara knows about it,
and Conrad knows about it, and they're all kind of
accepting it. It's like it's normal.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It's normal, it's it's and they see it as exceptional.
It's like, oh, good, look, I'm proud.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Of you kids.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You're having sex already.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, you're on your way to becoming adults and living
your own life.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And go ahead, go do it. We got stuff to
do over here. Yeah, we're busy, right, We're busy, right,
go find something to do. So we did well.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It seems like all through the story, Roger is looking
for a real father. Yeah, and he keeps looking at
these bouncing around trying to find another one. And the
people who's finding are dysfunctional, they're not really appropriate, right,
So I mean he comes into uh, Louis, who's Louis.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Louis a hippie cowboy out there he was. He was
the head head wrangler, you know, your consumate of hippie cowboy,
and he and Roger had a pretty good relationship for
a long time. And then but all these men that
came in and out of Broadger's loft, they either they
either betrayed him or.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
They belled on him.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And so he could by the time he reached his
Silicon Valley, he sort of has an attitude about the
world that, you know, I'm I'm I'm in this alone
and by myself, and I gotta I gotta figure this out.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
There's nobody I can go to. I can't trust anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But then when he meets you know, there's these big
wigs in Silicon Valley, it's like, this is the whole
new class of men.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I'm gonna hook up at these guys. This is great.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah. Well, and again it's a the sex undertone. All
of this is always there and it'll be it's just
kind of normal and it's expected, kind of almost it's
it's kind of the undertone of the whole story. I mean,
(20:10):
you know, I I and yet it's it's completely it's
not so much the forbidden aspect of it, but the
fact that it's you know, like you do with Roger
and soon having sex as pretty teens. Well there, it
has nothing to do with procreation, has nothing to do
with really understanding what sex is deeply about, but it
(20:34):
is yet enticing.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, when I when I started writing this book, I
didn't really I you know, it was like, well, how
do these two people meet? There's just two people, It's
like sex, Well, how does happen? I'll start with sexing.
I realize that everything that everything kind of started with
I really didn't realize until I sat writing the book.
How ow you know, looking back, everybody was having sex
all the time. Everybody was everybody with orgies and and
(20:57):
and just you know, casual sex and even sex that
you're kind of bored with Andy and that That wasn't
the worst.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Thing though to me.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That was that was just sort of a side problem.
The bigger problems were, you know, the rituals and trying
to get out of that.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But but yeah, it begins, it begins with with with sex.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You know, they're grooming these kids for not just to
be sexual, but to be sort of anti everything, anti
everything that's good. You know, maybe you know you look,
you're taught not to explore sexually.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But then when you're encouraged to that means.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Oh, I can explore the other taboos as well, because
if I can get away with this one, you know,
I'm talking as a young kid, as young man. If
I can get away with this, if this is okay
and good and fun and profitable, well I'll.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Do this too.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'll do the next thing. And pretty soon you're you've
got a whole, big, long line of things that you've done.
And I say, well, this is a lifestyle. Now now
I'm on my way to something and it's fun.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, And I mean the scenes you know that I'm
just reading it. You know, a scene where the two
of them are essentially pulling their pants down and exposing
themselves to each other, Rog and Sloane and just kind
of laughing about it. It's you know, and and blowing
to Ba basically says that you know that she said
(22:23):
that was fun, and she she says, well, she doesn't
want to quit yet, so she said, let's go swimming.
Well we don't have swimsuits. We go naked, like we're
both taking a bath. And so again it becomes so
much of a one thing leads to another. It seems innocent,
but yet when you realize what's going on, it's again
the breakup of the family, the sexualization of children, which
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the pedophila aspect of it, which a lot of the
Luciferians have. You know, there's so much of the pedophilia
that goes hand in hand with the Luciferian nature of this.
You know, the Hollywood glitterati or Silicon Valley or New
York Upper Society or any of these cult dark cult
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cultists have to do with sexualization of children. And that's
why is that?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Do you think, Well, there's a there's a long history
of of why the Luciferians like incest, pedophilia and uh,
the androgine. It's it's really hard to explain just kind
of sitting here, but it's more to it than just uh,
a sex thing. It's it's you know, I was talking
(23:38):
to these guys earlier today and I was remembering, you know,
when you go into a when I went to that
room with those guys, those old men, uh, you're kind
of your whole world changes instantly because you realize you're
you're in a room with with something that's connected, something
that's very very ancient, very very powerful and very very scary.
(23:59):
And even if the thing happened, when you walk out
of that room, your your your your world view is different.
The analogy I was using this it's like, it's like
if you had a big foot encounter, and not just
one where you think you saw them, but where there's
these Sasquatches in front of you and they're and they're
trying to decide what to do with you, and you
can smell them. And when you walk away from that experience,
you're gonna be your world view is going to change.
(24:19):
You can't tell anybody because nobody's gonna believe you. But
and when you hear other people talking about, well do
Luciferians really do sas Squatch really exists? You're gonna it's
gonna be aggravating because you know that they do, and
there's no way to tell them except you know, maybe
they're gonna have their own encounter one day.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, this is the you're talking about the initiation of
rog into the cult, which is the elders, these old men,
these young older men who assemble. Yeah, it ends up
in sonomizing Rog.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What I was trying to get, I guess was that
was the whole, how how deep the power, how how
much your.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Depth ris to all this.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's when you're on the outside looking in, it's really
hard to imagine.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You know, what what goes on.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But but you know, I have had experiences where I've
I've just I don't know why I felt that way,
but you could just you can really fill something is
with you, something is in the room. Something you can
fill the goosebumps. It's it's it's it's weird.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, you're inrovoking powers that are dark powers.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, and they're they're here and they're there.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, and so the different So it goes from Merrill,
who's pretty basically okay in terms of taking care of rage,
to others like Easy and uh Conrad.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Easy Easy was one of those take take them on,
you know, take this kid under my wing kind of guys,
you know, a good guy but with bad habits.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And then you end up with Lee Nelson, who's Lee Nelson.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Lean Nelson is the it's kind of the main antagonist. Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
He's he's the one that sort of uh rings Rog
all the way in to uh to the point return really,
I mean he kind of hooks up with him right away,
and the reason why is because Roger has a brilliant
computer scientist and he does some stuff that impresses Lee
to the point that he wants to own him.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And that's kind of the way it works.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know, he saw something in this kid and he
wants it, and you know he gets what he.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Wants, right, I mean, it's the whole thing with Lee
is the real power, I mean, the real dark power
that enters into it and explains to and gets Roge
deeper deeper into the the practices. And there's one of
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the paragraphs here that what you're you're looking you have
an encounter with Lee and uh, there's this photo that
he's looking at and Lee's own family. By this mister
Desmond had been selected for the blood rituals sacrifice. Now
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what's the blood ritual sacrifice?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, there's a lot of different there's a lot of
different ones that the the blood rituals are the most important.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Those are the ones that you get the most power from.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And you know, it involves sacrifice, and the more the
more innocent the victim, the more.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Power you get. That's why they choose.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Children and infants and and yeah, so uh, then there's
you know the gravy rituals. Everybody has to do the
gravy rituals.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh, it's just just you know.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Everybody in Hollywood, everybody in Motown, everybody have done them
if they say they haven't. You know, I was listening
to Terrence uh Howard the other day, so we're trying
to back pedalos way out of that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He's like, well, you know I didn't. We did. Well,
you couldn't. There's no way you could have got where
you are. It didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
And then there's the humiliation rituals, which was kind of constant,
and it's just a way of controlling people is to
put them through these humiliation You see that in Hollywood
a lot. You know, every time a macho after wears
a dress that's a humiliation ritual. Every time they make
them take a role that makes them look stupid. I mean,
if I was a Hollywood after, I would only take
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certain role because I would want to, you know, foster
a certain look.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But you know, they make.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Them do whatever they wanted to do, and a lot
of it's humiliating, and it's just a show. They didn't
need to do that. I mean, it kind of did
it a little bit back in the old days. But
they do it to everybody now they have to, they
have to control these people.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And so it's it's control is a lot of it,
and uh.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's all extortion. It's just it's all blackmail.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah. Once once you engage this behavior, now they're your
subjects to blackmail.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Right, And that that's the problem they had with me,
is because I didn't care if nobody they could blackmail
me too, they could, well who they're gonna tell you know,
everybody was nobody cared, and the ones I did care
were either dead or missing. So it made so I
mean I'm talking about me in particularly, so it made it.
It made it easy, not easy. It made it possible
for me more possible for me to get out of
(29:11):
there because they could. It wasn't for you know, I mean,
I mean, I'm talking about it right right now, right,
so you can't blackmail.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Me with it right right. And one of the scenes,
who's Malcolm.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Malcolm Malcolm is sort of represents their hit man, their
their typical hit man. And I knew a couple of Malcolm,
the one, the one in particular. It's funny he looked
a lot like that FBI guy Peter Strozik or the
creepy guy. Yeah, yeah, Peters, Yeah, they had the same look,
you know, that same.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Creepy demonic creepy demonic.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I mean you know that, you know that something's
controlling them. I don't. I don't mean to talk about him, but.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
No, it's just it. Certainly he looked bizarre somehow or other.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, so I read it a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So, yeah, I was surprised that they put him out
there because that is our look. I've seen it a
lot and you don't really see it's one of those
hidden uh, one of those hidden gus. They don't come
out too often. When they do come out, you know,
something serious is happening. That would be the guy that
would that would facilitate the Red Scarf murders.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
In fact, who is Annie in the story?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I don't remember, rather renamember.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
They murdered Anne in her bedroom. He and Malcolm with
his dark sunglasses and black cloth of the gloves.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That was probably uh the leave Nelson's ex wife or
previous wife.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yes, yeah, she finds him waiting when she gets out
of her morning shower, while Malcolm strangles Anne with one
of her own scarf, face down, one of her own
scarfs based down on the bed. The pokes are in
a vein behind the knee with a large needle, and
holds the silk handkerchief against the wound until Anne is dead.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Right handkerchiefs with the death blood. That's that's the trophy.
That's whatever, that's a trophy.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
That's a collect Yeah. So they put that in a
plastic sandwich baggy and Malcolm hangs and' his body by
the neck with a scarf over the knob of the
bathroom door. Make it look like a suicide. They tosses
the fake suicide letter next to her body, cuts the
lock of her hair, and stuffs it into a cigar
tube souvenir. He says in a sinster voice, this doesn't
(31:36):
look like naked like that. Puts some clothes on this
thing and meet me in the car, Malcolm instructs lee.
He goes to the bathroom, returns with Annie's underwear, bra
on bathrobe. He dresses her in a hurry without emotion,
stares her lifeless body, then wipes his hands on his
trousers and leaves. So it's all kind of it's all
(31:57):
kind of emotionless but yet very sinister.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But by the time, by the time someone like Lee
has reached that point, he doesn't see everybody else's people anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
They really, they really believe.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
That they have evolved in their own lifetime into something grander,
you know, something godlike.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
By by going to all these rituals.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
You know, because again, when you're in that, when you're
when you're in these places, and you know, I didn't
get that deep into it.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I got deep enough to.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Where it was pretty scary, and you know, it's affected
my entire life. But when you start doing this routinely
and you're seeking it out, I mean, can you imagine
what that too? But that does to a person, but
that that's a person's own self image. You know, they
really believe that they have real power in a.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Way they do well.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
In the next scene, Lee is eating sea bass and
bloody steak, and this yacht broker comes and he signs
a check for one million, five hundred and five thousand
dollars and hands it to Frasier was overwhelmed by having
such a large check in his possession. He's a yacht
(33:09):
broker all his life, he's been one. And where does
anybody pay cash? And so again, uh, it's the evil
nature so much money, so so much success, and it's
right on top of him having killed his and with
I think it was his wife, his wife and done
(33:32):
again in a one of the Red Scarf killings.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Right, So so that that that would be considered a
blood ritual. So, you know, blood rituals can be that,
or it could be a group of people sacrificing you know,
something a human usually you know, usually an infant. Yeah,
the movie Mother, I think I sent you the clip
where they actually show that that ritual. And I've had
(33:58):
you know where where there their sacrifice a baby.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I think it was Elizabeth Hurley or something the start.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yes, but other people have seen that, and I've had
people come to me and say, well, that's just that's
just artistic representation of the Catholic you uh, Eucharist. You know,
the baby represents Jesus. That's okay, fine, you believe that,
And but their their claims. That's where I got It's like, no,
I was talking about this years before that movie came out.
(34:26):
You know a lot of people were not just I
was barely talking about it, but there was people talking
about it years.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You and I were talking about it before.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We were talking about Yes, we were talking about it
years before. But the the whole undertone of this, and
it gets it gets deeper and deeper into the book,
you begin to understand more deeply the blood rituals, the
killing of babies, the the producing of the fear in babies,
(34:52):
which then they take this drug out of the baby's blood.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
What is the drug, Well, they creates something called it adrenochrome.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We we kind we we.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I knew it was cro I didn't know what it
was back then, and that's the truth. I didn't know
what it was. I think I had it once, but
we call it getting chromed.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Very powerful.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, and so the bab.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
The victims that they use in the blood rituals aren't
the ones that they drained to get their drink. That's
that's a whole different manufacturing center. That's where you know,
like eds Seine's baby farm, That's that's what those are for.
We're adrenochrome, Yeah, that's that's where they that's it involves
frightening the child in order to get this these.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Uh I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Hormones into the bloodstream, which they then mind.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
The whole thing is very scientific, very very biological. They
have it down to a science That's why they choose
children too, is because children can't control their their fear.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Responses as as well as as adults.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And they over they overload very quickly, especially when they
start crying, you know, and they get they get in
that weird, uh sort hyperventilating mode.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's kind of what they're they're they're they're striving for.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Adults don't really do that anymore, but children do once
they get into that hyperventilating mode, and then they reach
a point that they're ready for harvest.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I really hate talking like this, but it's a fact
of life. Well.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I mean again, we're we're talking about these things not
just sensationalize them, but because it's important for everybody to
understand what goes on.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
It is and people are. People are, Like I said,
people are. I can see if people are catching. I
never would have never thought I would talk about I
never thought I would be doing this right now.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I mean, I'm old enough now that doesn't scare me.
What are they going to do? But there's enough people
talking about it.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Now that that something's gonna happen one way or another.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Something soon is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Well, I think the just the writing of the book
and creating this part of the website of Coorse Nation
is uh shocking a lot of people. But what happens
with this book is you read it. At first, it
seems like it's hard to keep going, and then it
gets addictive. I mean, you read it right to the end,
(37:12):
and people get to be fascinated with it in terms
of you know, there's deeper, deeper, the darker and darker
it gets. And then then there's an attempt by Roger
to pull out of it, which is equally difficult because
you don't leave this. You don't leave this called easily.
(37:32):
You lose everything. In the process of losing everything, you're
abandoned and left hopeless. No money, no connections, no nobody
responding to your phone calls.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And especially for someone like Roger who doesn't really there's
no you know, there's no there's nobody really to go
to at that point, there's there's there's no there's no network,
there's no family, there's no there's nothing left. Just that
makes it even hard. It makes it hard, but also
makes it a lot easier. It's easier to hide, but
it makes it really hard going you know, going out
on your on your own completely on your own, like
that is difficult.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, they summoning up of this dark power and the
living in this Luciferian hatred on the what it leads
to in terms of the sexual rituals or the blood rituals,
or the suicides or all of these things are in
a sense demonic because their their counter life. There their
(38:28):
hate life. They're filled with hate. They're destructive, right, and
there's nothing positive about any of this. The pleasure is
taken in someone else's pain or embarrassment or abuse or
torture or murder, and the pleasure derived from that is
(38:50):
the heightened experience, the heightened appreciation of a higher level
in which this kind of behavior is an expression of power.
Mm hmm, dark power and the worship. We get that
dark power.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, you know, as you know, I was very apprehensive
about writing this book because I thought people would either
consider me some kind of monster or a liar.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
But I'm finding that people really aren't doing either.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
They're they're actually bonafidely interested, not in a not in
a morbid way, but in a you know, I need
to know more about this because I'm seeing it too.
We're starting to see it too, you know, we're you know,
I want to know more.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Well, as more interviews we do, the more accessible we
make it to people when we start talking about it,
the more I think people are going to want to
read it and want to know more in depth of
what it's all about. And it's you know, it took
you a long time to do the first one and
to learn how to write, and to learn how to
(39:54):
tell a story and to construct the characters and make
the narrative flow. But I think you come along way
in that ability, and these.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Are that's that's a result I hook it up with you,
which to me is, you know, is a god thing.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I never I couldn't have written this book if I
didn't ran into you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But the fact that it's written is you know, your experience,
what you went through and then you got out of
it allows you now to expose this world for what
it is. And so things that people experience and watch
on television and see, you know, happening in Hollywood or
(40:33):
happening in New York City, or happening in any of
the glitterati you know, which looked bizarre, fits into this
dark power logic, which is fundamentally destroying other people are
destroying their dignity, destroying their sexuality, destroying their families, just
(40:55):
destroying their image of themselves, demeaning rituals, which you know
are very very base.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Everything is exact opposite of the love of God.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's exactly. It has nothing to do with nurturing God.
Love advance all negative destruction, and the power is all
negative destruction. So it's the best comprehension I think through
the story that you can get of what evil is
really like. And it's kind of banal. I mean, it's
(41:28):
kind of almost pathetic. It's it's it's so bizarre and evil,
you'd say, how can anyone possibly indulge in this, except
that it has the dominance over another, it has the
characteristic of power and serving evil, and as such, it's
it becomes seductive.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
M h.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
You'd agree, I do, especially when you're you're rewarded so greatly.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, it's it's and these are the ones who succeed.
Everything they do touches to gold, Everything that touch comes
to gold.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And so as you as you're going down that path,
you can see that the people at the other end,
and these are the people that.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Are the richest people on the planet.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, and that's that's where you're heading that you know,
how else you know, it's it's amazing that you've eve
been on that path and you want to get there.
You want to be one of those I want to
have seven mansions, you know, all over the world, big bunker.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Well, I'm going to recommend that everybody get the and
read the Silicon Satan and get into understanding how what
we're really seeing in this Luciferian elite, and you know,
the power of the prestige, the privilege that these people
are awarded comes from these dark arts of rituals that
(42:50):
are almost so frightening. They're hard to read the first time.
After you've read it a bit, and after you've gotten
into it, it becomes you become kind of it's desensitized
to it. And even then it's frightening because you begin
to find yourself understanding and accepting this as a world
that's you know, the viable that it exists, that it's
(43:13):
hidden and dark, and the seductive power of that is great.
And so you have to make a decision, is this
which path are you going to go down? And I
think we're seeing increasingly more people are understanding and waking
up to say they reject this path.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
It's not just it's not just keeping people off the path,
it's it's getting rid of the people.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's getting rid of the path. You got to get
rid of the path. I mean. But all people don't
need to be that rich. You don't need to be
that wealthy. You know. I saw a study where.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
We divide all the all the wealth in the world.
Everybody gets fifteen thousand dollars per lifetime. So why do
these people have so much they don't need, They're never
going to spend it. It's just it's just power and position.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And self glorification exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
So yeah, I mean, the solution is to get rid
of the solution is to make I remember my grandfather
was wealthy, but he was embarrassed by he hit as
wealth and everybody that all all of all the men
did back then. You know, wealth is something that you
just kind of kept quite in brag about it. Now
you're bragg it down and your brag about greed is
considered a good thing.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
All right, Well, Craig, thanks for coming back, and we'll
do more of this. We'll keep her into the story,
we'll read more of it. Well, I'll get and watch
some of your We'll get into what's on the website
and look at some of these videos. There's quite a
bit more. I want to make this a regular feature
of the show. I want to build you as an author,
get people to pay attention to the works and get
(44:42):
into it, because I think it's only accessible through the
fictionalization of it, which makes it readable and understandable in
terms of the psychology. But it's still horrific.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Well thanks for having again.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay, Well, it's great, great pleasure to have here in
the sense it's it's it's never easy, it's never really fun,
But the pleasure in it is I want to shed
light on this, and the pleasure is really in the
uncovering and the illuminaty this darkness, because it's it's ultimately weak,
(45:21):
it's ultimately self destructive, it's ultimately a lie, and once
people understand that, it loses its attractiveness. But again, it's
going to be an exploration into darkness in order to
emerge back into the light. Okay, sector Drone Corsi and
(45:45):
we've been talking with Craig Lund, who is the author
of Silicon Satan. We have a section of the website
of course the Nation dot com dedicated to Craig's continuing writing.
You get to see the new novel in progress and
sections being published on corsination dot com with animations, and
it's a fascinating topic. And I think we're going to
(46:06):
do ultimately. I see this could be a series of
Netflix or a series somewhere or other, because this is
going to have to be dramatized. We're going to have
to be shown to people in a way that it
becomes mass market property and shown for the fact that
it is evil and has got to be resisted. Okay,
doctor John Corsi, thank you for joining us. And then
(46:28):
God always wins. God will win here too, and I
think it's Bird the second Chronicle seven fourteen. We have
to ask God to forgive us for letting it get
to this evil point, and God will hear our prayer
and heal our land. Any final thoughts Craig.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Today, Nope, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Thanks, Okay, Thank you for joining us this Coursenation dot com.
We're doing podcasts every weekday. Thank you for joining us.
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