October 1, 2025 • 52 mins
Dr Cirsu takjs with Brady Bunch star Susan Olsen.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
More angel of course, this doctor Jerome Corsi. And we've
got a really special guest with us today, Susan Olsen.
How are you, Susan.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm fine. I'm really grilled to be here. If man
that saves my sanity.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Trane Covid, Okay, well we'll talk about that. Susan is
known for being Cindy on The Brady Bunch, right, Yes,
how old were you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
When it started? I guess when we did the first episode,
I was seven, and by the time we did the
last episode, I was twelve. But the thing kept coming
back in different forms. It's like the show that Wouldn't Die.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, I'm sure that Chris all set up to play
the theme, which everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Good Shirts.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm sure you don't want to hear it again. Everybody
knows it though, right Chris, I'm sure he's getting some
the queued up here, so we'll probably hear the theme.
Here we go, Brady Budge, there's the Brady Bunch, A
good version where we're just you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What we're not singing.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Singing called the Peppermint Trolley.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You want to play it, Chris, if you can play
it otherwise, we can look at it. There we Go
in color, So this must have been later on, right, No,
this is early.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
This is the first first season, so this is nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Eight, nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
There we Go, And that's definitely the better version of
the song. And my son, who is a much better
musician than says it's in a different key, one a
different key. Yeah, when we came in saying it.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, we've all heard this, okay, Chris, that's probably enough.
We've got we got the image, we got it, so
it First of all, I got to ask you, how
was it to do the show? What was it? What
was your experience doing the show?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It was great fun. I mean I wouldn't recommend it
for every kid. I think that we were all kind
of different and being professional children having a job at
young ages was normal for us. It was okay for us.
I do teach acting for children, and I'm I'm honest
(02:50):
with parents and I'll say I you know, I don't
I don't think he'd really enjoy it or say well
you know this way, hey, yeah, this one got it.
And unfortunately, where I teach, the parents are not into
exploiting their kids. They're not you know, They're not trying
(03:10):
to make stars out of them. I teach mostly so
that they will have more confidence and be able to
speak for themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, I'm sure it had to be quite an experience
to be, you know, thrown into a job and perform
all the time. I'm sure this was a constant thing,
having to learn lines and rehearse and do the shows.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, that's what I wanted. I wanted by the ripe
age of six. I wanted a steady job, and I
wanted to be on a series. I wanted to be
a series regular so I could do this every day.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Did you become Cyndy?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
No, not at all. I hated Cindy, but I didn't
like her very much. I thought she was really stupid
and she did awful things like tattle on people, which
is something I would never do. But you know, as
a child, I was very kind of offended by by
(04:14):
the things Cindy would do while she was inhabiting my
body on TV. But I mean, yeah, that's just me
being nitpicky and being a child that has to go
back to public school and get teased for everything that
Cindy does. Its bad enough. I do something stupid, which
happens frequently, but but you know, to get teased for
(04:35):
what Cindy did was kind of unfair.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, and so you when did the show end for you?
When did you quit doing the show?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, it got canceled in it's like seventy two, I.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Think it six eight, four years.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Sixty eight was when we we did the pilot. Those
the footage that you saw, but it didn't air until
sixty nine, well.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Sixteen nine it got canceled, Okay. Sixty eight of course
was a critical year. It was year the conventions were
going on in Chicago. We had riots, the Democratic National Convention,
the Vietnam War protests were going on. Lindon Johnson had
just said he would not run for reelection.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We had the Brady family and the Manson family.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The Brady family and the Manson family, and the Manson
family was also there insanity of killing people out in California.
And those were the years that through seventy two. Seventy
two to seventy three would have been the first year
of the Nixon administration. And again the country was still
involved with Vietnam. The Vietnam protests were still going on.
(05:56):
We had rather than Vietnam did he survive, yes, And
was he wounded or injured?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
No? No, he was in army intelligence, so he was
mostly interrogating prisoners and not seeing frontline battle. But he
was in the Tet offense.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Almost everybody was the Tet offensive. It was pretty much nationwide,
certainly all through South Vietnam. It must have been in
that period of time for you acting and the politics
going on and the show which really was not part
political at all, so it had to be kind of
(06:35):
a juxtaposition between the turmoil and the country and this
bubble that was the Brady Bunch.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah. But if you I think that the goal of
the show was to be written it was a family
show from the perspective of a child, the way a
child would want to see their family, and so it
was very idyllic, and it got more popular after its
(07:08):
original run when it was in reruns. And I think
it's really a generation of Watchkey kids that made it
huge because it was this dream family. It was the ideal.
You know, Cindy loses her a doll and the whole
family is just you know, going nuts trying to find
the doll. Dandce calling from work, have you found the doll?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, I've gone through that. I've gone through that with
a daughter, and losing a doll or it could be
a really traumatic event for a family that is.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, you're a good dad, you know that.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I know that. I spent many times looking for It
is traumatic.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But so many kids are like, well nobody's around really care,
and so I mean there are countless people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well for kids at that age, the doll is the
dolls alive. The dolls are real person, right, Yeah, yeah,
it's not you know, a doll, it's it's you've lost
a friend.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yes, and you've lost your security, yes, because I never
liked dolls, but I had stuffed animals.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well, in fact, my daughter's my daughters was a stuffed
animal too, So it was not a doll, but it
was the same thing, right, And I understand.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
One at my TV dad's house. I left him behind.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We traveled internationally and lost this and we had to
go search all over for it. I mean, it was
if it didn't get packed. It was always on the
checklist to make sure we you know, we had the stuff,
figure that we had to be there. It had a name.
I can't even remember today what the name was, but
it was a particular. Everybody's looking for this named entity
(08:47):
that was, you know, and it was by the time
we found it was pretty ragged. I mean, this has
been through the wars. It was not a great shape
anymore after years and years and years. But the but
then okay, so then the politics hoble shape. Yeah, well
you still have it. I'm not sure my daughter dies.
(09:08):
So through the period of political turmoil, we had Nixon resigning,
and then we had Carter in and we had the
This was a very tumultuous time in American history when
we were coming out of the Martin Luther King with
his entire civil rights movement, and then we had John
Kennedy killed. We had Martin Luther King killed in nineteen
(09:31):
sixty eight, I think it was in March, and Robert
Kennedy was killed that same year when he was running
for president. Probably would have been president.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So he was well on his way to being president.
He had just won the Oregon primary and won the
California primary, and he was headed to the convention in
Chicago when he got killed.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He won California. Yeah, hotel guilty the next day.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Why did you feel guilty?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Because my mother and I were going to the polling place,
and I was chanting a vote for Kennedy's a vote
for a dope, which I'd made up myself. I thought
it was so clever. I just knew that my parents
were against They were very Republican, but looking back now,
they really were not socially conservative. It was more fiscally conservative.
(10:25):
And then when I found out, you know, I got
up the next morning, I want to know who won,
and Mom told me what happened. I was like, oh,
I feel so bad for chanting that, but you know,
as a child was five years old, Well he's a Democrat.
And I didn't feel that way again until the most
(10:49):
recent four or five years. I really wasn't that partisan.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, and you have become much more political.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm very political now. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And in fact, what happened when they wanted to remake
The Help Rebooth the Brady Bunch, I'm sure that you
were approached to being the adult version of the of
the show.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, And we all were working on our characters, and
we had a great a great showrunner who's like the
head writer, and he came up with a character which
is basically me, but an exaggerated version of me. And
so she's a libertarian. She does she has a podcast
(11:35):
because in the previous incarnation of the show, I'd been
a radio DJ. It rescues animals, a little eccentric and
very very much against big pharma, and so it was
kind of like everything that I am, but a little
bit more so. And anyway, so, I mean, I wasn't
(11:57):
supposed to be playing a woke person, and so our
political leanings came into the storyline, and Greg was a
Republican and one of the things in the treatment was
you would think that Cyndy and Greg would be on
(12:18):
the same page, but they're not. I thought, Okay, that's
really insightful. And so anyway, then you know, CBS was
ready to possibly green light it, and then they heard
that I had gotten in trouble for for an incident
which was called a homophobic incident. It was really a
(12:45):
fake story. It was a non story, but the mainstream
media likes those the best, and so they decided to
investigate me. Well, I had had a political show. I
expressed a lot of views, all of which they hated,
and they said, you know, they talked about putting it.
(13:07):
There's a whole two hour interview with me with Brandon Straka,
who started the walk Away movement, and you know, it
was well, you know, maybe they talked about re education actually,
which was more about how would I speak of things
(13:27):
that came up and anyway, you know, finally it was decided,
now she's just too far, she's she's too dangerous, she's
too political.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Hate speech, too much hate speech, right.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Exactly, And that's what they will say. Even though, like
the initial incident, all of this really was triggered, like
I was doing political stuff, but it was really really
triggered when I endorsed stalind Trump, right, And I didn't
even need it all that kind earnestly. Back then. It
(14:00):
was just I thought that Hillary was the most evil
person on the planet and anything would be better than her.
And it was my sister who said to me, she
was I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. I'm like, okay,
stay put, I'll be right over. I'll take you to
the er. How hard did.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You hit your And then.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You know, I read his book, Crippled America. Dang, I
agree with him. I agree with him a lot, so
I didn't think he'd win. But it was after he
won and everybody was all angry and so you know,
I think that was the root of my sins and
(14:42):
I'll stand behind them.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well, I've got a couple. I mean, you were clearly
fell victim to the far left nature of Hollywood media,
and that's still today an issue now. When you were
a child acting, how was pedophilia any part of your world?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
No, not at all, And I'm very proud to say that.
I think a lot of us had to do with
with Sherwood Schwartz wanting to make sure that everybody on
our set. Almost everybody had children, so from the electricians
and the grips and the directors, it was all family people.
(15:28):
So it was a really healthy environment and they saw
to it that we were allowed to play.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
It.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think it was probably way healthier than anything today,
simply because we didn't have the mass media then you could.
We didn't have social media, and so I mean, people
would come on our set and not want to leave.
We had a really happy set. However, I was very
aware that there was something wrong in Hollywood because I
(16:01):
did go on other sets, I did do other jobs,
and there was just something in the air. And I've
been told that I had an ara about me of
don't touch and if anybody hugged me for a nanosecond
too long, I knew, and I'm shocked. I was very
(16:27):
shocked as an adult. The social media, there was a
former kid actors page and all these people I used
to see on auditions and and really stun to find
out how many of them had been molested. So, yeah,
(16:47):
there was something afoot, but I was never touched by it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, you were fortunate, and you probably did broadcasts that
you were untouchable not to be Yeah, you probably did.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Like a forty year old when I was eight. I
was more mature then than I am.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Now, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I learned to be a kid in my twenties.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Okay, well you kind of Benjamin Button syndrome.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
If my skin would just do the same.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay, But you were aware of the pedophilia. You were
aware something was wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I was just aware that there was there's a certain
desperation to acting, and that that exists whether there's sexual
deviation or not. There there is this desperation about acting
and about being willing to do anything for the job,
and there's there's no separation. It's not like I know
(17:46):
the music industry is just as evil, but I don't
see it as much because there's a product there. You
have the songs, you have. With art, there's there's the paintings,
and with acting it's it's much more vulnerable, and there's
just this kind of i'll do anything for the job attitude,
(18:07):
which I really hated. And then something that as a child,
you know, I wasn't sexually aware. I something smells wrong,
something's just not right about this right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And as you got older, your politics got more conservative.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yet well no, I mean I got a little bit
more liberal probably in my twenties and thirties, and then
was sort of in between it. Really I really didn't
get political. I have a great sense of justice, and
(18:49):
I think that's genetic DNA because I am the seventh
generation granddaughter of a woman who was hanged in Salem.
So there's this thing about justice and about things being
fair and about things being honest or corrupt. But it
wasn't until my sister lent me a book by Bruce
Bauer called While Europe Slept. I read that. I love Bruce.
(19:16):
He's now a social media friend, and I decided to
study Islam because I wanted to defend it. And six
years later I said well, I can't defend this. I
could defend Muslims and hope that somehow the religion's reform.
(19:38):
But anyway, I started out with counter jihad and then
realized that the people that were lying about this was
during Obama. So the people that were lying about Islam
and about terrorism were lying about everything else too, And
that was mostly the folks on the left. There were
things on the right that I didn't like, but you know,
(20:01):
it just it then became about fact in fiction and
and COVID really did a number on me because I
grew up thinking, well, you watch the news, they're all honest.
You know, that's Walter Cronkite. Everybody's honest. And I think
(20:23):
it was like in the nineties that I heard about
the bombing of La Panca and learning that the that,
you know, the media will actually lie and anyway, you know,
I just I'm very intolerant of lying and having the
people be lied to, especially when I'm very into what
(20:44):
our founders and framers started with this country and adhering
to it.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, and you said I played a role in the pandemic,
How did tell me about that? What kind of what?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I just I knew this isn't smelling right again? You know,
something's not right here. And then you know, I started
to see people that like, doctor Zelenka.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
We're listening to my corsination at that time.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Then I started listening to you, and literally because at
the time I was living with my with family and
we had a person in their seventies, and you know,
it's like, you've got to be careful. You got to
put you know, everything that comes in the mail, you
got to put it outside. Did it did? And I'm
I'm like, aren't you seeing some inconsistencies here? And you know,
(21:42):
I have to play the game, you know, because you
got to get along with people. And I couldn't wait
for the evenings. When I turn on your podcast and
i'd listened to you, I was like, yes, yes, that's
not adding up, that's not adding up. Hydroxychlor quin seems
to be working. And now anybody that says that gets silenced.
(22:03):
We're silencing people that's say the truth is, this is
like a communist nation. So I started to feel like
everything was very dangerous. My son was living a little
bit far away from me at the time, and I
didn't get to see him for three months, and I said,
I am more concerned about what the government's going to
(22:26):
do than I am about what this virus is going
to do.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And did you get the hydroxy? We were at that
time doing it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Mostly I got it from my son. That was my
big deal. I set up a bug out bag in
my car in case the you know what hits the fan,
and I was just going to go get my son
and go to the woods. I had my medical supplies.
And then during during the whole thing, I have very
(23:00):
close group of girlfriends and we were all anti vacs,
anti covid JAB, which was never a vaccine, and but
I I wanted to set up. By this time, I
had gotten my condo and I wanted to set up
like the hospital for any of my friends who you know,
got sick. So I was very into getting supplies. Everything
(23:24):
that that the silenced people said worked I got. I
found personally, I've met and worked a lot better than
hydroxy chloroquine. But I already had iver met it because
I rescue animals and we use I re met it
all the time for parasites, that's right. Yeah, And when
(23:48):
you when you yeah, you can get bovine swine and
eck wine and they're real cheap. But I did go
ahead and get the humine the human kind just in.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Case look good and your politics. And you must be
excited that Robert Kennedy Junior is now the head of
Health and Human Services.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I am. I am so excited. I was wearing my
Kennedy shirt that day when he got confirmed. And I
used to dislike him because, oh gosh, I don't know
how many years ago, but he referred to Hair Builders,
who is now the PM of the Netherlands, as an
islama phobe. And to me, anybody that uses the term
(24:33):
islama phobe is kind of a ninny. And so I
was sad Bobby doesn't know anything. And then I heard
him talking about that scenes and my son was diagnosed
with Asperger syndrome. He's on the spectrum very very mildly.
And it was through Bobby that I learned, you know,
because I was afraid to not vaccinate my kid, but
(24:56):
he had been diagnosed, and I learned separate them. The
MMR vaccine seem to be the culprit. So you do
the munths vaccine, you wait thirty days. You do measles,
you wait thirty days. Rebella And so I did that
for all of the subsequent boosters. But I mean, there's
(25:16):
they're getting tons of more vaccines. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, now my daughter would had just had a baby,
won't no vaccines?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, you know, I have a friend who just my coworker,
you just had a baby. I'm like, I'm not gonna
tell you what to do, but there are a couple
of them that you really should put your foot down on,
and you know, the MMR separate them. It's just it's
too much. They could all be okay, but when you
(25:47):
have them all at the same time, it's just so much.
And why the heck is a one day old getting
a vaccine for hepatitis B that you can only get
through sex or drug use.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It is it is ridiculous. I mean, it is ridiculous.
And Bobby Kennedy's I think, going to do a lot
to uh. You know, he was also a very effective
lawyer when he was doing the environmental work.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, and I like that too, because when Trump says drill, baby, drill,
I get it economically, but I'm also I am a
tree hugger and I am an animal rescuer, so you know,
I want to make sure he was saying drill, baby, drill.
I'm like, okay, please confirm Bobby, because Bobby will go
maybe not here or maybe not this way, because Bobby's
(26:38):
not falling for the climate control.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
No. I think the entire climate nonsense is now gone.
I think I think we I think what effectively it's
clear that the DEI and the esg's and the gender dystopia,
these you know, insanities are now canceled. I think the
(27:03):
very people are sick of them.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're they're showing, but they're just you know,
it's tools. And a lot of people say, well, this
is socialism trying to take over it. I think it
was more it's nihilism.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, it's it negates value. It is, Yes, it is
essentially atheistic and no value. The values are whatever values
you want to have, and those are no values.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, and didn't you know? And it's it's really a
tragedy that this is all pinned on the left because
this is not what the left was about, because didn't
they didn't they want to go with nature and everything
natural and be this is so anti nature. It's being
spearheaded by people that want to destroy me.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know. The Martin constantly point out Martin Luther King
was about equal opportunity, and he said, if you give
us opportunity, we'll show you what we can do. Yes,
we can compete with anybody. And that meant families, that
meant raising children with education, it meant values, and his
whole movement. Martin Luther King was a Republican. He was
(28:24):
not a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I didn't know that one.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yes, he was a Republican. And and today it is
not about that. It's about it's not equality, it's equity.
In other words, there have to be so many of
this race, and so many of that race, and so
many of this gender, and so many of this and that,
and that's more important than whether you're competent to do
(28:48):
the job. Well, that's how what Martin Luther King wanted.
He would have been opposed to.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
That, completely opposed to that. It's an insult.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And also it's also discriminatory against anyone who is not
in the favored races.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yes, and creates more racism. But see, these these horrible
people knew that. I'm certain that it was designed.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It was designed to destroy.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yes, yes, and so now when you get on a
plane and you see that your your pilot is a
black woman. You wouldn't have had a problem with that before.
You're not a racist, but now you have to go
issue there because of DEI.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, I think that's what we're finding increasingly. I mean,
the these air accidents that we've had have clearly reflected
DEI preferential hiring.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And I think we're seeing flying going to have to
fly a bit.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Well. I think I think that the by and large,
I think flying is yet safe, but it is not
as safe with DEI and Trump will, I think, eliminate
these things and has begun to do it with executive orders.
The problem with executive orders is they can be reversed
(30:10):
by the next president. They can all be changed back,
and so therefore it's just the beginning of a reset
back to traditional values. But it's got to begin somewhere.
And Trump's first first, you know, month has been I
think the most dynamic month, the most change oriented month
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in a positive sense, that the nation has ever experienced.
It's it's amazing, really, It's.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Like waking up to Christmas every morning.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, and I think the country is lifted by it.
I think the country too.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I do too, Although I'm here in Lama land where
people are very upset over it. It's like, don't don't
expose the people that are stealing.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
From me, right, you know, it's insane because the Democrats,
you know, have now become the party of abortion, the
party of euthanasia, the party of sex change, the party
of discrimination against white race, party of you know, government
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spending flighting the country with illegal immigrants, including criminals.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I mean we preferring criminals too.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah. Well, we've been running ill aliens.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I used to work with Gally.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We've been running videos and New York subways which have
been taken over by the gangs and the police in
the military down there. The subways don't why bother arresting
these people because a lot of this has been decriminalized.
So therefore, even if they rob people, you know, the
robbers and gang down there don't even wear masks anymore
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because they know that nothing's going to happen to them. Yeah,
the judges are going to let them write out.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
At least we got rid of something here in la
It was it was okay to shoplift up to nine
up to one thousand dollars and ninety nine or something, right,
and you could come back.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Every day, Well, no business can stay open with that.
And that's of course not that's where you have the point.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So that's what I try to tell my lefty friends.
I'm like, look, you know, it's not like Biden and
Harris what I went out and I forgot to close
the border. Oh silly. Not an accident, No deliberate.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
It's deliberate and it's evil because as we've been exposing,
even the Catholic churches involved and making deals with McCarrick,
who was a pedophile and homosexual cardinal, and making deals
with Honduras and the Pope, making deals with with Biden
and with Obama when he was president and president of Honduras,
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who was part of the drug cartels and also was
part of the child sex trade, and we, amazing we
gave them money under the Alliance for Progress and got
involved in their activities. So the church became complicit in
these sex crimes, which are the most horrendous sex crimes
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against children who are taken away from their parents and
exposed to a brutal world that they don't understand what
desperation these children must feel, abandonment, confused, abused.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
We're going to need a lot of loving and carrying
people to adopt these kids and to counsel these kids.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Some of it may be permanent damage. I think, so, yeah,
that is not really entirely recoverable. In other words, that
these are lifelong injuries psychologically.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I agree. And it's it's it's it's so intentional.
I saw just having a kid on the spectrum looking
at just and and this is really mild. But like
CPS being aware that they spent more time harassing single
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white mothers.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And yeah, child Protective Services that there was something fell
going on there, that there are times when when they
might try to prove that your child needs certain services
more than they really do.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
And take your children away from it, take your children
away from you.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Well, that that's the ultimate threat. Yeah, but even just
getting a court to order services so that they can
get the money for those services. It doesn't matter if
you're a parent that says that's actually harming my child.
That didn't personally happen to me, but I saw it happening.
I saw that in other parts of the country, certain
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children were being placed in the system so that they
could eventually be put up for adoption. So I don't know,
you know, I used as a child. I like to
think that I could trust the authorities.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But well, the two things I think are so tremendously disturbing.
Is abortion killing a life to this helpless.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Sorry, well it's within a certain amount of time.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, it's still a life.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
It's still a life. And it's still a life that
has no choice, and it's Helpless's that's extinguished.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, I can't argue that. But I think that the
life of the mother is more important.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, it may not. It may not affect the life
of the mother and mother just that's a little different.
It may be inconvenient.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah. But on the other hand, forcing somebody to have
children when they don't want to have children is not
such a great idea either. But you have to have
a limit. You have to legally, no matter how you
feel about it, morally, you have to. There has to
be a point where the unborn have rights. There has
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to be.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well, my point is, if you don't want children, if
you're going to abort them, don't take steps so you
don't have children.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Well, and today it's so easy to get birth control.
They're really you know, I'd have to say, there really
isn't much excuse. But you know, I know people who
had the condom break that got knocked up their first time.
So I don't know. I'm still I'm still pro choice,
but I do understand and appreciate what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Well, I still think there's alternatives. If you really don't
want children, there are alternatives. You can responsibly take them.
But to bring a life into the world and then
to extinguish it is to me unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, especially since it is so darned easy.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And so vulnerable and that life has no choice. Yeah,
and you've got it's irresponsible.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yes, it is very Yeah, and you.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Know that these are things that I think our offenses
against God and offenses against God's God creates life, and
once that life is created, we have to nourish it.
It's our responsibility that That's how I see. It's our
responsibility to nourish that life that God bestowed it. We
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did not, And so that and I think taking God
out of the schools and taking God out of the communities.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
God in the schools because you open that up. I
think the safest way to have God in schools is
to have nature in schools, because that is God's miracle.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Nature is a surrogate for God in this country.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
The proof of God.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, yes, but it is a distinction that nature is
not God, it's it's an artifact of God. But the
point is this country was founded on Judeo Christian principles,
and it was founded on principles where God was part
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of the society. In other words, it was a moral
society and which had followed rules which were biblically ordained.
So there are values in that Bible that are part
of what the teaching is. Okay, and so those who
don't want to participate in it might opt out. But
to forbid it to be into the schools is to
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secularize the schools to a point where it does damage
to those who go through it. The ultimate my view
them and I think traditional morality the responsibility of parents
is to raise a child and the state in a
moral education. Now, there was a certain set of values
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that aren't arbitrary, and those values are ordained in the
principles biblically. That become a view of God. Now again,
if people want to practice a separate religion or people
want to have their own religious time, these can be accommodated.
But to abolish God from the schools means that the
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schools are secularized and the values that are internalized are
absent of a concept of God and our founding fathers.
I think believe correctly that absent a concept of God,
a human being is not fully developed, not fully formed,
and potentially vulnerable, potentially vulnerable to doing great harm because again,
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the values are not rooted in consequences.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, and a conscience developing a conscience. Now, I personally
i'd rather see that take place in the home. Have
you ever heard the Mikhayla school in England? Oh, check
it out. The head mistress they teach they don't get
religious because they have a lot of Muslim students too.
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And if they bring you out, yes.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well I think these are these are this is a
problem and I think, well, it's.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
A huge problem. But not at her school. Well, they're
teaching conscience treating everybody. Boy.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yes, that's that's the beginning of communism. That's the beginning
of a movement and towards not really having a God.
That God is not central, it's it's the formation of
a moral consciousness is centered on a set of values
which I believe are inherently spiritual because they presume that
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there's a reason to creation, there's reason to life, and
it has consequences in an afterlife. This is not an
arbitrary experience, not accidental or spiritual beings to begin with,
and spiritual beings in a context that is, you know,
forbidden to be spiritual is to educate half or a
partial person. Actually it's educate a misformed person. To my view,
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the person needs to have a religious orientation, and I
find that people who don't have it are fundamentally different
in terms of their outlook and things and how they
see life and do and value moral judgments, so that
you internalize a set of values, for instance, it can
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take any one of the issues. But truth telling, well,
we tell the truth because we understand biblically that not
telling the truth doesn't work. Complicated, it's hard to maintain
a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
We don't need the Bible to see that.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
No, you don't need to.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
See that spirit. The more you're going to see.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You can see that. But then not to go to
the full step and understand that's God is yet a holdback.
So you can say someone has been through education, they've
gotten three quarters of the education. They know most of
what's required, but they only know three quarters of it.
They didn't get that the extra dimension which allows you
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to truly perceive everything spiritually. There is a fundamental difference
people who believe in God.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
You're saying, I just I don't agree. Well, I had
the final step and I've pulled back from it.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well, we we are probably going to disagree on religion.
That what does need God be? Well, okay, and I know.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's a hard one. But I believe immensely in God.
I believe that the reason why I can see certain
things is because God's like will over there.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, don't. I don't feel that it'll be another step
for you. I'll be interested in talking to you in
ten years. Be an interesting step for you to.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Talk to me ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Well, well, you're, as I say, you're probably growing in reverse. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
By aging in reverse from everything, I could determine your
ideas ten years ago might have been better than your
ideas today. Well, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
But I mean ten years I'll go back to them.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Maybe. Yeah. But the point, Yeah, the point is it
it's like being colorblind. You can still understand that there
are colors, because there's going to be shades of gray,
and you can understand that those are related to different colors.
But until you see the colors, you haven't experienced the
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full nature of a visual reality. And it's the same
of when you look at people who do believe in God,
certain changes occur in their personality where they're able to
they're able to accept things. You know. For instance, one
of the one of the points I always like to
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emphasize is that you know the experience of death or
the experience of you know, death approaching where you know
it's likely an inevitable reality. Now to someone who truly
believes in God has a way to accept it. More
so the you know, the you can see in religious
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societies that the priests or the clergy, whomever they are,
enter people's lives at critical points you know, at birth,
you know, at marriage, at death, and in the crises
that occur, illnesses, setbacks, losing children. These things are for
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someone who believes in God generically are harder to accept
than someone who believes. You know, with a religious view,
and in my view, only the Biblical view is complete.
I don't see the Islamic religion is complete. I think
it needs a reformation. Well, I mean, well, I would
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tend to agree in the sense.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That you know, that's dangerous words though, but.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, it has it needs reformation. I mean, I think
Christianity today is very different than Christianity was during the
Inquisition or the Crusades or the Dark Ages. You said,
you know you have a ancestor that was hung in Salem. Yeah,
well that these were these were aberrations, These were these
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were these were a church that needs a reformation.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
So I don't really believe that that Cotton Mather or
any of those people truly believed that any of them
were witches. I think it was a matter of trying
to get their property.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well and essentially, and or they didn't like them, or
there was a grudge or there was some issue. But again,
these are I think every religion has to go through
a reformation, has to decide that even if they believe
that this religion is the only true religion, it's not
a reason to go to war with the next religion.
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And I think that our founding fathers had a brilliance
in saying religious freedom only means not an established church.
We're not going to tell people what they have to believe. Okay,
because again as soon as you do that, you cross
the line. Yeah, even if you think your religion is
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the only true religion, you still have an obligation I think,
I think our founding fathers were right, is to respect
another person's view what the true religion is and not
to necessarily try to dissuade them. So I'm less of
an evangelist in terms of the mission is not to
persuade everybody to believe my religion or how I view it.
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It's important for me to believe it, and I will
be happy to share it, but my mission is not out.
My mission is to accept the others. That's why I
think our First Amendment advises, which is the only way
a society can really exist, Because as soon as you
start imposing this set of beliefs have to be held
by everyone, you're going down a dangerous path.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Then how do you bring it into school?
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Well, you bring it into school in some ways to
be people don't want to do it. They have options
not to do it. In other words, we have a
prayer moment at the beginning of school. They don't have
to come into class until that's over. They don't have
to be forced to go through it. But yet it's permissible,
or they could choose to meditate whatever, but they're not
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obligated to participate. It's voluntary, okay. So, but I don't
think it should be prohibited from being in the school.
So our moral education ought to be part of the experience.
If you choose to opt out of it, that's your choice.
And I'm not for forcing anyone one to experience it.
I think that's counterproductive. I don't think that works. And
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I am for doing things that work, not things that
don't work.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
But what about forcing the morality of do unto others? Well,
I think that should be enforced.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Well there are now we're into what crime means and
what evil means. Yeah, okay, and so therefore, yes, even
for people who don't believe in God, as long as
they're a moral sense, which to me, you've accepted God,
you just haven't yet accepted that you've accepted God. Yes, yes,
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and you use you've accepted God, yet you're just haven't
accepted that you've accepted I.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Accept that it's God, yes, But and nobody stopped me
from praying in school because.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
But you don't accept it, but you don't accept that
it's the Bible no, Okay, that's the.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Bibles are the best. But I don't believe that I
have to accept the Bible in order to go to Heaven.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Well, okay, I'm not saying you do, but I am
saying that that codifies the more complete understanding, and there
are certain dimensions of it that you won't achieve. In
other words, that God sets the direction in your life,
that God has an awareness of who you are before
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you're born, that you know there are certain experiences that
you have been set up to experience by the nature
of your spiritual journey. Yeah, and Biblically, these things are
very clearly expressed, and they're very clearly articulated. And without them,
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some of the solace, some of the reassurement through difficult times,
some of the ability to deal with what life is
going to really be, are lacking. Without that dimension, much
more difficult, and probably not experience experiencing fully with that.
What those setbacks, difficulties, problems, miseries, et cetera. Were meant
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to teach you.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
And I'm probably benefiting from the things that I studied
when I when I accepted religion more than I realized.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Probably, Yes, all right, well, we're running it's been delightful
conversation and we'll do more. Well, thank you. Well, I
don't I don't plan. I don't plan to quit. Okay,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
I got your books when I heard that you refused
to plead guilty when our government was trying to put
you through the ringer, It's like, that's my kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Well, thank you. I appreciate that other doctor Jerome Corsi.
And then God always wins. God will win here too.
We've been interviewing Susan Olsen, who was Cindy on The
Brady Bunch and has matured into a beautiful, intelligent woman.
And thank you for joining us much.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Thank you God, bless love to everyone.
More angel of course, this doctor Jerome Corsi. And we've
got a really special guest with us today, Susan Olsen.
How are you, Susan.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm fine. I'm really grilled to be here. If man
that saves my sanity.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Trane Covid, Okay, well we'll talk about that. Susan is
known for being Cindy on The Brady Bunch, right, Yes,
how old were you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
When it started? I guess when we did the first episode,
I was seven, and by the time we did the
last episode, I was twelve. But the thing kept coming
back in different forms. It's like the show that Wouldn't Die.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, I'm sure that Chris all set up to play
the theme, which everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Good Shirts.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm sure you don't want to hear it again. Everybody
knows it though, right Chris, I'm sure he's getting some
the queued up here, so we'll probably hear the theme.
Here we go, Brady Budge, there's the Brady Bunch, A
good version where we're just you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What we're not singing.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Singing called the Peppermint Trolley.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You want to play it, Chris, if you can play
it otherwise, we can look at it. There we Go
in color, So this must have been later on, right, No,
this is early.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
This is the first first season, so this is nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Eight, nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
There we Go, And that's definitely the better version of
the song. And my son, who is a much better
musician than says it's in a different key, one a
different key. Yeah, when we came in saying it.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, we've all heard this, okay, Chris, that's probably enough.
We've got we got the image, we got it, so
it First of all, I got to ask you, how
was it to do the show? What was it? What
was your experience doing the show?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It was great fun. I mean I wouldn't recommend it
for every kid. I think that we were all kind
of different and being professional children having a job at
young ages was normal for us. It was okay for us.
I do teach acting for children, and I'm I'm honest
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with parents and I'll say I you know, I don't
I don't think he'd really enjoy it or say well
you know this way, hey, yeah, this one got it.
And unfortunately, where I teach, the parents are not into
exploiting their kids. They're not you know, They're not trying
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to make stars out of them. I teach mostly so
that they will have more confidence and be able to
speak for themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, I'm sure it had to be quite an experience
to be, you know, thrown into a job and perform
all the time. I'm sure this was a constant thing,
having to learn lines and rehearse and do the shows.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, that's what I wanted. I wanted by the ripe
age of six. I wanted a steady job, and I
wanted to be on a series. I wanted to be
a series regular so I could do this every day.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Did you become Cyndy?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
No, not at all. I hated Cindy, but I didn't
like her very much. I thought she was really stupid
and she did awful things like tattle on people, which
is something I would never do. But you know, as
a child, I was very kind of offended by by
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the things Cindy would do while she was inhabiting my
body on TV. But I mean, yeah, that's just me
being nitpicky and being a child that has to go
back to public school and get teased for everything that
Cindy does. Its bad enough. I do something stupid, which
happens frequently, but but you know, to get teased for
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what Cindy did was kind of unfair.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, and so you when did the show end for you?
When did you quit doing the show?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, it got canceled in it's like seventy two, I.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Think it six eight, four years.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Sixty eight was when we we did the pilot. Those
the footage that you saw, but it didn't air until
sixty nine, well.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Sixteen nine it got canceled, Okay. Sixty eight of course
was a critical year. It was year the conventions were
going on in Chicago. We had riots, the Democratic National Convention,
the Vietnam War protests were going on. Lindon Johnson had
just said he would not run for reelection.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We had the Brady family and the Manson family.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The Brady family and the Manson family, and the Manson
family was also there insanity of killing people out in California.
And those were the years that through seventy two. Seventy
two to seventy three would have been the first year
of the Nixon administration. And again the country was still
involved with Vietnam. The Vietnam protests were still going on.
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We had rather than Vietnam did he survive, yes, And
was he wounded or injured?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
No? No, he was in army intelligence, so he was
mostly interrogating prisoners and not seeing frontline battle. But he
was in the Tet offense.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Almost everybody was the Tet offensive. It was pretty much nationwide,
certainly all through South Vietnam. It must have been in
that period of time for you acting and the politics
going on and the show which really was not part
political at all, so it had to be kind of
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a juxtaposition between the turmoil and the country and this
bubble that was the Brady Bunch.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah. But if you I think that the goal of
the show was to be written it was a family
show from the perspective of a child, the way a
child would want to see their family, and so it
was very idyllic, and it got more popular after its
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original run when it was in reruns. And I think
it's really a generation of Watchkey kids that made it
huge because it was this dream family. It was the ideal.
You know, Cindy loses her a doll and the whole
family is just you know, going nuts trying to find
the doll. Dandce calling from work, have you found the doll?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, I've gone through that. I've gone through that with
a daughter, and losing a doll or it could be
a really traumatic event for a family that is.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, you're a good dad, you know that.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I know that. I spent many times looking for It
is traumatic.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But so many kids are like, well nobody's around really care,
and so I mean there are countless people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well for kids at that age, the doll is the
dolls alive. The dolls are real person, right, Yeah, yeah,
it's not you know, a doll, it's it's you've lost
a friend.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yes, and you've lost your security, yes, because I never
liked dolls, but I had stuffed animals.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well, in fact, my daughter's my daughters was a stuffed
animal too, So it was not a doll, but it
was the same thing, right, And I understand.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
One at my TV dad's house. I left him behind.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We traveled internationally and lost this and we had to
go search all over for it. I mean, it was
if it didn't get packed. It was always on the
checklist to make sure we you know, we had the stuff,
figure that we had to be there. It had a name.
I can't even remember today what the name was, but
it was a particular. Everybody's looking for this named entity
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that was, you know, and it was by the time
we found it was pretty ragged. I mean, this has
been through the wars. It was not a great shape
anymore after years and years and years. But the but
then okay, so then the politics hoble shape. Yeah, well
you still have it. I'm not sure my daughter dies.
(09:08):
So through the period of political turmoil, we had Nixon resigning,
and then we had Carter in and we had the
This was a very tumultuous time in American history when
we were coming out of the Martin Luther King with
his entire civil rights movement, and then we had John
Kennedy killed. We had Martin Luther King killed in nineteen
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sixty eight, I think it was in March, and Robert
Kennedy was killed that same year when he was running
for president. Probably would have been president.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So he was well on his way to being president.
He had just won the Oregon primary and won the
California primary, and he was headed to the convention in
Chicago when he got killed.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He won California. Yeah, hotel guilty the next day.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Why did you feel guilty?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Because my mother and I were going to the polling place,
and I was chanting a vote for Kennedy's a vote
for a dope, which I'd made up myself. I thought
it was so clever. I just knew that my parents
were against They were very Republican, but looking back now,
they really were not socially conservative. It was more fiscally conservative.
(10:25):
And then when I found out, you know, I got
up the next morning, I want to know who won,
and Mom told me what happened. I was like, oh,
I feel so bad for chanting that, but you know,
as a child was five years old, Well he's a Democrat.
And I didn't feel that way again until the most
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recent four or five years. I really wasn't that partisan.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, and you have become much more political.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm very political now. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And in fact, what happened when they wanted to remake
The Help Rebooth the Brady Bunch, I'm sure that you
were approached to being the adult version of the of
the show.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, And we all were working on our characters, and
we had a great a great showrunner who's like the
head writer, and he came up with a character which
is basically me, but an exaggerated version of me. And
so she's a libertarian. She does she has a podcast
(11:35):
because in the previous incarnation of the show, I'd been
a radio DJ. It rescues animals, a little eccentric and
very very much against big pharma, and so it was
kind of like everything that I am, but a little
bit more so. And anyway, so, I mean, I wasn't
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supposed to be playing a woke person, and so our
political leanings came into the storyline, and Greg was a
Republican and one of the things in the treatment was
you would think that Cyndy and Greg would be on
(12:18):
the same page, but they're not. I thought, Okay, that's
really insightful. And so anyway, then you know, CBS was
ready to possibly green light it, and then they heard
that I had gotten in trouble for for an incident
which was called a homophobic incident. It was really a
(12:45):
fake story. It was a non story, but the mainstream
media likes those the best, and so they decided to
investigate me. Well, I had had a political show. I
expressed a lot of views, all of which they hated,
and they said, you know, they talked about putting it.
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There's a whole two hour interview with me with Brandon Straka,
who started the walk Away movement, and you know, it
was well, you know, maybe they talked about re education actually,
which was more about how would I speak of things
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that came up and anyway, you know, finally it was decided,
now she's just too far, she's she's too dangerous, she's
too political.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Hate speech, too much hate speech, right.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Exactly, And that's what they will say. Even though, like
the initial incident, all of this really was triggered, like
I was doing political stuff, but it was really really
triggered when I endorsed stalind Trump, right, And I didn't
even need it all that kind earnestly. Back then. It
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was just I thought that Hillary was the most evil
person on the planet and anything would be better than her.
And it was my sister who said to me, she
was I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. I'm like, okay,
stay put, I'll be right over. I'll take you to
the er. How hard did.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You hit your And then.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You know, I read his book, Crippled America. Dang, I
agree with him. I agree with him a lot, so
I didn't think he'd win. But it was after he
won and everybody was all angry and so you know,
I think that was the root of my sins and
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I'll stand behind them.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well, I've got a couple. I mean, you were clearly
fell victim to the far left nature of Hollywood media,
and that's still today an issue now. When you were
a child acting, how was pedophilia any part of your world?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
No, not at all, And I'm very proud to say that.
I think a lot of us had to do with
with Sherwood Schwartz wanting to make sure that everybody on
our set. Almost everybody had children, so from the electricians
and the grips and the directors, it was all family people.
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So it was a really healthy environment and they saw
to it that we were allowed to play.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
It.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think it was probably way healthier than anything today,
simply because we didn't have the mass media then you could.
We didn't have social media, and so I mean, people
would come on our set and not want to leave.
We had a really happy set. However, I was very
aware that there was something wrong in Hollywood because I
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did go on other sets, I did do other jobs,
and there was just something in the air. And I've
been told that I had an ara about me of
don't touch and if anybody hugged me for a nanosecond
too long, I knew, and I'm shocked. I was very
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shocked as an adult. The social media, there was a
former kid actors page and all these people I used
to see on auditions and and really stun to find
out how many of them had been molested. So, yeah,
(16:47):
there was something afoot, but I was never touched by it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, you were fortunate, and you probably did broadcasts that
you were untouchable not to be Yeah, you probably did.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Like a forty year old when I was eight. I
was more mature then than I am.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Now, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I learned to be a kid in my twenties.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Okay, well you kind of Benjamin Button syndrome.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
If my skin would just do the same.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay, But you were aware of the pedophilia. You were
aware something was wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I was just aware that there was there's a certain
desperation to acting, and that that exists whether there's sexual
deviation or not. There there is this desperation about acting
and about being willing to do anything for the job,
and there's there's no separation. It's not like I know
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the music industry is just as evil, but I don't
see it as much because there's a product there. You
have the songs, you have. With art, there's there's the paintings,
and with acting it's it's much more vulnerable, and there's
just this kind of i'll do anything for the job attitude,
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which I really hated. And then something that as a child,
you know, I wasn't sexually aware. I something smells wrong,
something's just not right about this right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And as you got older, your politics got more conservative.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yet well no, I mean I got a little bit
more liberal probably in my twenties and thirties, and then
was sort of in between it. Really I really didn't
get political. I have a great sense of justice, and
(18:49):
I think that's genetic DNA because I am the seventh
generation granddaughter of a woman who was hanged in Salem.
So there's this thing about justice and about things being
fair and about things being honest or corrupt. But it
wasn't until my sister lent me a book by Bruce
Bauer called While Europe Slept. I read that. I love Bruce.
(19:16):
He's now a social media friend, and I decided to
study Islam because I wanted to defend it. And six
years later I said well, I can't defend this. I
could defend Muslims and hope that somehow the religion's reform.
(19:38):
But anyway, I started out with counter jihad and then
realized that the people that were lying about this was
during Obama. So the people that were lying about Islam
and about terrorism were lying about everything else too, And
that was mostly the folks on the left. There were
things on the right that I didn't like, but you know,
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it just it then became about fact in fiction and
and COVID really did a number on me because I
grew up thinking, well, you watch the news, they're all honest.
You know, that's Walter Cronkite. Everybody's honest. And I think
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it was like in the nineties that I heard about
the bombing of La Panca and learning that the that,
you know, the media will actually lie and anyway, you know,
I just I'm very intolerant of lying and having the
people be lied to, especially when I'm very into what
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our founders and framers started with this country and adhering
to it.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, and you said I played a role in the pandemic,
How did tell me about that? What kind of what?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I just I knew this isn't smelling right again? You know,
something's not right here. And then you know, I started
to see people that like, doctor Zelenka.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
We're listening to my corsination at that time.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Then I started listening to you, and literally because at
the time I was living with my with family and
we had a person in their seventies, and you know,
it's like, you've got to be careful. You got to
put you know, everything that comes in the mail, you
got to put it outside. Did it did? And I'm
I'm like, aren't you seeing some inconsistencies here? And you know,
(21:42):
I have to play the game, you know, because you
got to get along with people. And I couldn't wait
for the evenings. When I turn on your podcast and
i'd listened to you, I was like, yes, yes, that's
not adding up, that's not adding up. Hydroxychlor quin seems
to be working. And now anybody that says that gets silenced.
(22:03):
We're silencing people that's say the truth is, this is
like a communist nation. So I started to feel like
everything was very dangerous. My son was living a little
bit far away from me at the time, and I
didn't get to see him for three months, and I said,
I am more concerned about what the government's going to
(22:26):
do than I am about what this virus is going
to do.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And did you get the hydroxy? We were at that
time doing it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Mostly I got it from my son. That was my
big deal. I set up a bug out bag in
my car in case the you know what hits the fan,
and I was just going to go get my son
and go to the woods. I had my medical supplies.
And then during during the whole thing, I have very
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close group of girlfriends and we were all anti vacs,
anti covid JAB, which was never a vaccine, and but
I I wanted to set up. By this time, I
had gotten my condo and I wanted to set up
like the hospital for any of my friends who you know,
got sick. So I was very into getting supplies. Everything
(23:24):
that that the silenced people said worked I got. I
found personally, I've met and worked a lot better than
hydroxy chloroquine. But I already had iver met it because
I rescue animals and we use I re met it
all the time for parasites, that's right. Yeah, And when
(23:48):
you when you yeah, you can get bovine swine and
eck wine and they're real cheap. But I did go
ahead and get the humine the human kind just in.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Case look good and your politics. And you must be
excited that Robert Kennedy Junior is now the head of
Health and Human Services.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I am. I am so excited. I was wearing my
Kennedy shirt that day when he got confirmed. And I
used to dislike him because, oh gosh, I don't know
how many years ago, but he referred to Hair Builders,
who is now the PM of the Netherlands, as an
islama phobe. And to me, anybody that uses the term
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islama phobe is kind of a ninny. And so I
was sad Bobby doesn't know anything. And then I heard
him talking about that scenes and my son was diagnosed
with Asperger syndrome. He's on the spectrum very very mildly.
And it was through Bobby that I learned, you know,
because I was afraid to not vaccinate my kid, but
(24:56):
he had been diagnosed, and I learned separate them. The
MMR vaccine seem to be the culprit. So you do
the munths vaccine, you wait thirty days. You do measles,
you wait thirty days. Rebella And so I did that
for all of the subsequent boosters. But I mean, there's
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they're getting tons of more vaccines. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, now my daughter would had just had a baby,
won't no vaccines?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, you know, I have a friend who just my coworker,
you just had a baby. I'm like, I'm not gonna
tell you what to do, but there are a couple
of them that you really should put your foot down on,
and you know, the MMR separate them. It's just it's
too much. They could all be okay, but when you
(25:47):
have them all at the same time, it's just so much.
And why the heck is a one day old getting
a vaccine for hepatitis B that you can only get
through sex or drug use.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It is it is ridiculous. I mean, it is ridiculous.
And Bobby Kennedy's I think, going to do a lot
to uh. You know, he was also a very effective
lawyer when he was doing the environmental work.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, and I like that too, because when Trump says drill, baby, drill,
I get it economically, but I'm also I am a
tree hugger and I am an animal rescuer, so you know,
I want to make sure he was saying drill, baby, drill.
I'm like, okay, please confirm Bobby, because Bobby will go
maybe not here or maybe not this way, because Bobby's
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not falling for the climate control.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
No. I think the entire climate nonsense is now gone.
I think I think we I think what effectively it's
clear that the DEI and the esg's and the gender dystopia,
these you know, insanities are now canceled. I think the
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very people are sick of them.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're they're showing, but they're just you know,
it's tools. And a lot of people say, well, this
is socialism trying to take over it. I think it
was more it's nihilism.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, it's it negates value. It is, Yes, it is
essentially atheistic and no value. The values are whatever values
you want to have, and those are no values.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, and didn't you know? And it's it's really a
tragedy that this is all pinned on the left because
this is not what the left was about, because didn't
they didn't they want to go with nature and everything
natural and be this is so anti nature. It's being
spearheaded by people that want to destroy me.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know. The Martin constantly point out Martin Luther King
was about equal opportunity, and he said, if you give
us opportunity, we'll show you what we can do. Yes,
we can compete with anybody. And that meant families, that
meant raising children with education, it meant values, and his
whole movement. Martin Luther King was a Republican. He was
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not a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I didn't know that one.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yes, he was a Republican. And and today it is
not about that. It's about it's not equality, it's equity.
In other words, there have to be so many of
this race, and so many of that race, and so
many of this gender, and so many of this and that,
and that's more important than whether you're competent to do
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the job. Well, that's how what Martin Luther King wanted.
He would have been opposed to.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
That, completely opposed to that. It's an insult.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And also it's also discriminatory against anyone who is not
in the favored races.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yes, and creates more racism. But see, these these horrible
people knew that. I'm certain that it was designed.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It was designed to destroy.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yes, yes, and so now when you get on a
plane and you see that your your pilot is a
black woman. You wouldn't have had a problem with that before.
You're not a racist, but now you have to go
issue there because of DEI.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, I think that's what we're finding increasingly. I mean,
the these air accidents that we've had have clearly reflected
DEI preferential hiring.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And I think we're seeing flying going to have to
fly a bit.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Well. I think I think that the by and large,
I think flying is yet safe, but it is not
as safe with DEI and Trump will, I think, eliminate
these things and has begun to do it with executive orders.
The problem with executive orders is they can be reversed
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by the next president. They can all be changed back,
and so therefore it's just the beginning of a reset
back to traditional values. But it's got to begin somewhere.
And Trump's first first, you know, month has been I
think the most dynamic month, the most change oriented month
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in a positive sense, that the nation has ever experienced.
It's it's amazing, really, It's.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Like waking up to Christmas every morning.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, and I think the country is lifted by it.
I think the country too.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I do too, Although I'm here in Lama land where
people are very upset over it. It's like, don't don't
expose the people that are stealing.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
From me, right, you know, it's insane because the Democrats,
you know, have now become the party of abortion, the
party of euthanasia, the party of sex change, the party
of discrimination against white race, party of you know, government
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spending flighting the country with illegal immigrants, including criminals.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I mean we preferring criminals too.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah. Well, we've been running ill aliens.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I used to work with Gally.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We've been running videos and New York subways which have
been taken over by the gangs and the police in
the military down there. The subways don't why bother arresting
these people because a lot of this has been decriminalized.
So therefore, even if they rob people, you know, the
robbers and gang down there don't even wear masks anymore
(32:01):
because they know that nothing's going to happen to them. Yeah,
the judges are going to let them write out.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
At least we got rid of something here in la
It was it was okay to shoplift up to nine
up to one thousand dollars and ninety nine or something, right,
and you could come back.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Every day, Well, no business can stay open with that.
And that's of course not that's where you have the point.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So that's what I try to tell my lefty friends.
I'm like, look, you know, it's not like Biden and
Harris what I went out and I forgot to close
the border. Oh silly. Not an accident, No deliberate.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
It's deliberate and it's evil because as we've been exposing,
even the Catholic churches involved and making deals with McCarrick,
who was a pedophile and homosexual cardinal, and making deals
with Honduras and the Pope, making deals with with Biden
and with Obama when he was president and president of Honduras,
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who was part of the drug cartels and also was
part of the child sex trade, and we, amazing we
gave them money under the Alliance for Progress and got
involved in their activities. So the church became complicit in
these sex crimes, which are the most horrendous sex crimes
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against children who are taken away from their parents and
exposed to a brutal world that they don't understand what
desperation these children must feel, abandonment, confused, abused.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
We're going to need a lot of loving and carrying
people to adopt these kids and to counsel these kids.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Some of it may be permanent damage. I think, so, yeah,
that is not really entirely recoverable. In other words, that
these are lifelong injuries psychologically.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I agree. And it's it's it's it's so intentional.
I saw just having a kid on the spectrum looking
at just and and this is really mild. But like
CPS being aware that they spent more time harassing single
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white mothers.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And yeah, child Protective Services that there was something fell
going on there, that there are times when when they
might try to prove that your child needs certain services
more than they really do.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
And take your children away from it, take your children
away from you.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Well, that that's the ultimate threat. Yeah, but even just
getting a court to order services so that they can
get the money for those services. It doesn't matter if
you're a parent that says that's actually harming my child.
That didn't personally happen to me, but I saw it happening.
I saw that in other parts of the country, certain
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children were being placed in the system so that they
could eventually be put up for adoption. So I don't know,
you know, I used as a child. I like to
think that I could trust the authorities.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But well, the two things I think are so tremendously disturbing.
Is abortion killing a life to this helpless.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Sorry, well it's within a certain amount of time.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, it's still a life.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
It's still a life. And it's still a life that
has no choice, and it's Helpless's that's extinguished.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, I can't argue that. But I think that the
life of the mother is more important.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, it may not. It may not affect the life
of the mother and mother just that's a little different.
It may be inconvenient.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah. But on the other hand, forcing somebody to have
children when they don't want to have children is not
such a great idea either. But you have to have
a limit. You have to legally, no matter how you
feel about it, morally, you have to. There has to
be a point where the unborn have rights. There has
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to be.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well, my point is, if you don't want children, if
you're going to abort them, don't take steps so you
don't have children.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Well, and today it's so easy to get birth control.
They're really you know, I'd have to say, there really
isn't much excuse. But you know, I know people who
had the condom break that got knocked up their first time.
So I don't know. I'm still I'm still pro choice,
but I do understand and appreciate what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Well, I still think there's alternatives. If you really don't
want children, there are alternatives. You can responsibly take them.
But to bring a life into the world and then
to extinguish it is to me unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, especially since it is so darned easy.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And so vulnerable and that life has no choice. Yeah,
and you've got it's irresponsible.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yes, it is very Yeah, and you.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Know that these are things that I think our offenses
against God and offenses against God's God creates life, and
once that life is created, we have to nourish it.
It's our responsibility that That's how I see. It's our
responsibility to nourish that life that God bestowed it. We
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did not, And so that and I think taking God
out of the schools and taking God out of the communities.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
God in the schools because you open that up. I
think the safest way to have God in schools is
to have nature in schools, because that is God's miracle.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Nature is a surrogate for God in this country.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
The proof of God.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, yes, but it is a distinction that nature is
not God, it's it's an artifact of God. But the
point is this country was founded on Judeo Christian principles,
and it was founded on principles where God was part
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of the society. In other words, it was a moral
society and which had followed rules which were biblically ordained.
So there are values in that Bible that are part
of what the teaching is. Okay, and so those who
don't want to participate in it might opt out. But
to forbid it to be into the schools is to
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secularize the schools to a point where it does damage
to those who go through it. The ultimate my view
them and I think traditional morality the responsibility of parents
is to raise a child and the state in a
moral education. Now, there was a certain set of values
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that aren't arbitrary, and those values are ordained in the
principles biblically. That become a view of God. Now again,
if people want to practice a separate religion or people
want to have their own religious time, these can be accommodated.
But to abolish God from the schools means that the
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schools are secularized and the values that are internalized are
absent of a concept of God and our founding fathers.
I think believe correctly that absent a concept of God,
a human being is not fully developed, not fully formed,
and potentially vulnerable, potentially vulnerable to doing great harm because again,
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the values are not rooted in consequences.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, and a conscience developing a conscience. Now, I personally
i'd rather see that take place in the home. Have
you ever heard the Mikhayla school in England? Oh, check
it out. The head mistress they teach they don't get
religious because they have a lot of Muslim students too.
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And if they bring you out, yes.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well I think these are these are this is a
problem and I think, well, it's.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
A huge problem. But not at her school. Well, they're
teaching conscience treating everybody. Boy.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yes, that's that's the beginning of communism. That's the beginning
of a movement and towards not really having a God.
That God is not central, it's it's the formation of
a moral consciousness is centered on a set of values
which I believe are inherently spiritual because they presume that
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there's a reason to creation, there's reason to life, and
it has consequences in an afterlife. This is not an
arbitrary experience, not accidental or spiritual beings to begin with,
and spiritual beings in a context that is, you know,
forbidden to be spiritual is to educate half or a
partial person. Actually it's educate a misformed person. To my view,
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the person needs to have a religious orientation, and I
find that people who don't have it are fundamentally different
in terms of their outlook and things and how they
see life and do and value moral judgments, so that
you internalize a set of values, for instance, it can
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take any one of the issues. But truth telling, well,
we tell the truth because we understand biblically that not
telling the truth doesn't work. Complicated, it's hard to maintain
a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
We don't need the Bible to see that.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
No, you don't need to.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
See that spirit. The more you're going to see.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You can see that. But then not to go to
the full step and understand that's God is yet a holdback.
So you can say someone has been through education, they've
gotten three quarters of the education. They know most of
what's required, but they only know three quarters of it.
They didn't get that the extra dimension which allows you
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to truly perceive everything spiritually. There is a fundamental difference
people who believe in God.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
You're saying, I just I don't agree. Well, I had
the final step and I've pulled back from it.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well, we we are probably going to disagree on religion.
That what does need God be? Well, okay, and I know.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's a hard one. But I believe immensely in God.
I believe that the reason why I can see certain
things is because God's like will over there.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, don't. I don't feel that it'll be another step
for you. I'll be interested in talking to you in
ten years. Be an interesting step for you to.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Talk to me ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Well, well, you're, as I say, you're probably growing in reverse. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
By aging in reverse from everything, I could determine your
ideas ten years ago might have been better than your
ideas today. Well, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
But I mean ten years I'll go back to them.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Maybe. Yeah. But the point, Yeah, the point is it
it's like being colorblind. You can still understand that there
are colors, because there's going to be shades of gray,
and you can understand that those are related to different colors.
But until you see the colors, you haven't experienced the
(44:29):
full nature of a visual reality. And it's the same
of when you look at people who do believe in God,
certain changes occur in their personality where they're able to
they're able to accept things. You know. For instance, one
of the one of the points I always like to
(44:51):
emphasize is that you know the experience of death or
the experience of you know, death approaching where you know
it's likely an inevitable reality. Now to someone who truly
believes in God has a way to accept it. More
so the you know, the you can see in religious
(45:14):
societies that the priests or the clergy, whomever they are,
enter people's lives at critical points you know, at birth,
you know, at marriage, at death, and in the crises
that occur, illnesses, setbacks, losing children. These things are for
(45:40):
someone who believes in God generically are harder to accept
than someone who believes. You know, with a religious view,
and in my view, only the Biblical view is complete.
I don't see the Islamic religion is complete. I think
it needs a reformation. Well, I mean, well, I would
(46:07):
tend to agree in the sense.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That you know, that's dangerous words though, but.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, it has it needs reformation. I mean, I think
Christianity today is very different than Christianity was during the
Inquisition or the Crusades or the Dark Ages. You said,
you know you have a ancestor that was hung in Salem. Yeah,
well that these were these were aberrations, These were these
(46:36):
were these were a church that needs a reformation.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
So I don't really believe that that Cotton Mather or
any of those people truly believed that any of them
were witches. I think it was a matter of trying
to get their property.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well and essentially, and or they didn't like them, or
there was a grudge or there was some issue. But again,
these are I think every religion has to go through
a reformation, has to decide that even if they believe
that this religion is the only true religion, it's not
a reason to go to war with the next religion.
(47:14):
And I think that our founding fathers had a brilliance
in saying religious freedom only means not an established church.
We're not going to tell people what they have to believe. Okay,
because again as soon as you do that, you cross
the line. Yeah, even if you think your religion is
(47:34):
the only true religion, you still have an obligation I think,
I think our founding fathers were right, is to respect
another person's view what the true religion is and not
to necessarily try to dissuade them. So I'm less of
an evangelist in terms of the mission is not to
persuade everybody to believe my religion or how I view it.
(47:57):
It's important for me to believe it, and I will
be happy to share it, but my mission is not out.
My mission is to accept the others. That's why I
think our First Amendment advises, which is the only way
a society can really exist, Because as soon as you
start imposing this set of beliefs have to be held
by everyone, you're going down a dangerous path.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Then how do you bring it into school?
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Well, you bring it into school in some ways to
be people don't want to do it. They have options
not to do it. In other words, we have a
prayer moment at the beginning of school. They don't have
to come into class until that's over. They don't have
to be forced to go through it. But yet it's permissible,
or they could choose to meditate whatever, but they're not
(48:43):
obligated to participate. It's voluntary, okay. So, but I don't
think it should be prohibited from being in the school.
So our moral education ought to be part of the experience.
If you choose to opt out of it, that's your choice.
And I'm not for forcing anyone one to experience it.
I think that's counterproductive. I don't think that works. And
(49:05):
I am for doing things that work, not things that
don't work.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
But what about forcing the morality of do unto others? Well,
I think that should be enforced.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Well there are now we're into what crime means and
what evil means. Yeah, okay, and so therefore, yes, even
for people who don't believe in God, as long as
they're a moral sense, which to me, you've accepted God,
you just haven't yet accepted that you've accepted God. Yes, yes,
(49:43):
and you use you've accepted God, yet you're just haven't
accepted that you've accepted I.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Accept that it's God, yes, But and nobody stopped me
from praying in school because.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
But you don't accept it, but you don't accept that
it's the Bible no, Okay, that's the.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Bibles are the best. But I don't believe that I
have to accept the Bible in order to go to Heaven.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Well, okay, I'm not saying you do, but I am
saying that that codifies the more complete understanding, and there
are certain dimensions of it that you won't achieve. In
other words, that God sets the direction in your life,
that God has an awareness of who you are before
(50:28):
you're born, that you know there are certain experiences that
you have been set up to experience by the nature
of your spiritual journey. Yeah, and Biblically, these things are
very clearly expressed, and they're very clearly articulated. And without them,
(50:52):
some of the solace, some of the reassurement through difficult times,
some of the ability to deal with what life is
going to really be, are lacking. Without that dimension, much
more difficult, and probably not experience experiencing fully with that.
What those setbacks, difficulties, problems, miseries, et cetera. Were meant
(51:16):
to teach you.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
And I'm probably benefiting from the things that I studied
when I when I accepted religion more than I realized.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Probably, Yes, all right, well, we're running it's been delightful
conversation and we'll do more. Well, thank you. Well, I
don't I don't plan. I don't plan to quit. Okay,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
I got your books when I heard that you refused
to plead guilty when our government was trying to put
you through the ringer, It's like, that's my kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Well, thank you. I appreciate that other doctor Jerome Corsi.
And then God always wins. God will win here too.
We've been interviewing Susan Olsen, who was Cindy on The
Brady Bunch and has matured into a beautiful, intelligent woman.
And thank you for joining us much.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Thank you God, bless love to everyone.
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