Exposing the Climate Change Agenda and its Masters' True Intentions

The Climate Change agenda has shifted far beyond environmental concerns. What’s sold as “saving the planet” has become a global movement aimed at controlling personal freedom, restricting property rights, driving inflation, and reshaping society through ideological narratives rooted in early Marxist thought.
In this powerful episode of The Truth Central, Dr. Jerome Corsi speaks with Brian Sussman, author of Climate Cult: Exposing and Defeating Their War on Life, Liberty, and Property. Together, they uncover:
✔️ The Marxist origins of Climate Change activism
✔️ How modern environmentalism evolved into a political cult
✔️ Why elites push policies that damage free nations
✔️ How “climate justice” became a tool for wealth transfer and social control
✔️ The global network behind today’s Climate Change agenda
✔️ Why so many followers defend the movement despite overwhelming factual contradictions
This is a deep investigation into how the “Climate Crisis” narrative became a weapon against liberty — and why exposing it is essential for preserving free societies.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
More answer, of course information.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We have a guest today. I'm very pleased to have
Brian Sussman with us, and Brian has just written another
a new book, great book called Climate Cult, and we're
going to feature a climate cult and explain the book.
Brian and I have known each other for a long time.
Brian was a meteorologist out in San Francisco. He had

(00:25):
a podcast radio private show for years, and I was
a guest on his show going back to about two
thousand and eight or two thousand and nine in that range,
back when I was writing about Barack Obama and his
questionable birth certificate and his questionable life, and his Marxism

(00:46):
and all the rest I wrote. And my bestseller in
that time was Abomination, which was number one New York
Times bestseller in two thousand and eight. And I'd also
done Where's the Birth Certificate? Twenty eleven, just as they
produced a phony verse certificate and said this was the
real one. We actually found the birth certificate from which
that was copied, and Sarah oar Pyo, after doing years

(01:10):
of really forensic work on it, verified that we did
find the birth certificate from which Barack Obamas was copied.
So that's different than the topic we're here to discuss today, Brian,
thank you for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
You know, doctor Corsi, maybe it isn't so different because
you just mentioned Obama's Marxist background, and the Marxist philosophy
has been driving the environmental movement, going back to Frederick Engels,
you know, Karl Marx writing partner back in the eighteen eighties.
So really they're closely aligned. But by the way, it's

(01:45):
just an honor to be with you. We had so
many great radio discussions in San Francisco over the years,
so now the table's turned and I'm on your program.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, that's great, And as you know, I've written a
book on climate, which is the truth about energy, global warming,
and climate change. And my book did quite well. I
was very pleased with it. It's still doing well, and
I'm very curious and anxious to have you explained yours.
But I think we start from the same premise. So

(02:16):
let's start here on the Marxism of the climate movement
and tell us how your book adds to that discussion.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, you know, and it's interesting because I wrote the
book Climate Gait, a veteran meteorologist exposes the global warming scam,
then ecotyranny, how the Lefs green agenda will dismantle America,
now climate called exposing and defeating their ward life, liberty,
and property. All that said, your book on energy and
climate change and environmentalism was the most clearly the most

(02:45):
thorough book ever written on the topic. And when I
saw that book, I was in the process of writing
Climate Caled. I saw your book, I thought, Wow, Okay,
I've got to start change. I've got to change some
things because no publisher is going to want my book.
You cover it at all, What can I do differently?
So I think my book really does compliment yours very well.

(03:05):
But getting back to the Marxism point of view, and
I know this is you know, this is all within
your wheelhouse. I've read just about everything that Karl Marx
and Frederick Engels ever put together. And I came across
a document and it's in climate called It's a paper
that was written by Angles in eighteen eighty three. And

(03:27):
you know, these guys they hated capitalism, they hated industrialization,
they hated free markets, they hated human progress. And so
Frederick Engels actually put together a incredibly well written paper
describing what soot would do to the atmosphere. The soot

(03:47):
from industrialization would take Earth into a ball of ice,
void of all life, plant life, animal life, human life
would be vanquished, completely gone. And that was his big
scare tactic to really get the environmental movement rolling. So
this is again, this is in the eighteen eighties. And
then I started looking at some of these disciples of

(04:09):
Marx that came forward, and one of his first disciples
was a guy named Justice von Liebig Justice vun libig
I mean, he was literally taught by Marx. He came
up with the first environmental crisis. He hated humankind, he
hated progress, he hated capitalism, industrialization. And he said that

(04:32):
the guano trade. So guano was being used as a
fertilizer in Great Britain, and crops were growing. People were
able to have more food on the table. Families were
getting larger, with larger families where they were larger houses,
with larger houses that manned larger plots of land. People
had more animals, people had carriages, people had all of

(04:53):
this stuff. He was despised by how humans were living better.
He called the trade a robbery system, a robbery system
that was going to destroy nature. Then you had another
one of marx disciples. This was Sir Edwin Ray Lancaster.
He called he was another one of these environmentalists early

(05:14):
in his time. He called humans the insurgent sons of nature.
And then then you can fast forward a little farther
along to for example, well, let's talk about Rachel Carson
Silent Spring. That book still sells well to this day.
She was a Marxist, she had Marxist ties. Her boyfriend

(05:35):
was a Marxist from UC Davis. So, and then you
go to Paul Erlick with the population bomb, I mean,
clearly a guy with a socialist mindset. Then you look
at the founders of Earth Day. All of these guys
hated America and loved communism. So there's this straining, doctor Corsi,
that runs through this environmental movement.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
It doesn't I think. Also the other part of it
is that they hate odd and so therefore they hate life, yes,
that only God can bestow. They hate human beings as
we're created in the image and likeness of God. Yes,
and they want to destroy all that. Now, why they
want to destroy it is hard to comprehend. I puzzled

(06:16):
that for years and they just they just are filled
with hate and they they have no positive solution. It's
interesting with what you were saying about the soot in
the air, that you know the original Paul Eric and
when he got together with John Holdron, which was an
interesting combination, right because Eric his specialty was a PhD.

(06:40):
He had specialized in butterflies and studied butterflies. I don't
remember Paul like ever writing anything there were too many
butterflies in the world, but to many people. And then
he gravitated to this Malthusian idea, which was rampant then
and it is still rampant today, that there's too many

(07:01):
people and we are the blight of the earth, and
we're going to ultimately use the resources of the earth
up so that those privileged few who really are entitled
to the resources of the earth don't get their share.
So they've got to kill us and get rid of
us all. But the point is, the hatred of God

(07:23):
is fundamental now the sood idea when Erlic got together
with Holdron. Holdron was a climate he was he was
a nuclear scientist. He studied plasma, which is very difficult
subject in nuclear physics, and he applied. He said to Eric, well,
let's make it a climate an existential threat. In other words,

(07:45):
too many people, too much carbon dioxide, too much hydrocarbon fuels.
But first they thought it was going to be global cooling, right,
But suddenly this was going to lead to a global
cooling effect. And then, of course the Earth did not
continue to cool It got warmer for a period of years,
not enough to make a real time series analysis, and

(08:07):
so they shifted. But the you know, if if the
science were right, it would have been it wouldn't have
had to shift between global warming and global cooling. I mean,
it's that's pretty drastic, you know, is it gonna Are
we going to burn up or are we going to freeze? Well,
either way it's no good, they want to say. You know,

(08:29):
so either way you got a problem. People are the problem.
So the Marxism runs all the way through it. Now
when you get this green New Deal, which i'm you know,
and Michael Mahon, who produces this hockey puck graph saying
you know, everything was just fine until Industrial Revolution, then

(08:50):
we shot up with temperatures. He becomes a Marxist openly
in his most recent book, So the Marxism runs all
through this movement.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Would you agree? Yes? And I really want to emphasize
what you had to say. These people are anti God,
and doesn't that make sense as well, because when you
look at the foundation of Marxism, car Marks put together
something called the laws of matter, and if you were
to boil the laws of matter down, it would be

(09:22):
some people are born with a better brain than others,
and those people with the better brain have a metaphysical
right of sorts or responsibility. I guess I should say,
to rule over those with the lesser brain, because left
to their own devices, those with the lesser brains will
kill one another and destroy the planet. That's kind of
at the heart of Marxism, this laws of matter. But

(09:46):
what's at the heart of the United States of America well,
inalienable rights, you know, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And the Marxist thinks that's absurd. And we have people
in our government today who they kind of sneer at
these inalienable rights. God can give anybody rights. They really

(10:07):
believe that only the government can issue rights. And so
that's at the heart of this movement as well. You're right,
it's an atheist anti god movement designed to to not
allow humans to flourish, but to take the excess humans
and either get rid of them or keep them under
lock and key.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Right, I mean the self appointed privilege, which is that
we're the entitled ones, is key to these systems. I
mean when you talk, when you read all these climate movements,
including you know, AOC and all the rest of it.
Now they're saying, well, we can't have climate you know

(10:52):
sense whatever that means to them, get rid of stop
using hydrocarbon fuels unless we've also got you know, gender
freedom and we have queer theory accepted, okay, because they
want their whole agenda to be wrapped in this, which
makes it clear that this is not any longer about
the climate itself.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Right right, And I you you touched on this, and
this would be a great exchange. I'd love to get
your thoughts further on this. But it's interesting how it's
it's very difficult to explain this to just your average
person on the street. You actually need to take some
time to write it out and then hope that people
will read it. But the whole idea that we can

(11:37):
go from climate change to social justice, climate change to
social equity. You know, they don't seem like they're connected,
but the climate agenda is able to with you know,
tricky language, connect all those very things. Well, this is
one right, it's a broad movement.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
This is one of the strengths of your book as
you're examining these kinds of questions, and these questions are
very important because what they're sitting fundamentally, this becomes, as
it were, a secular religion cult. You have to get
this is the best of course the truth. Really understand

(12:17):
the logic of how they operate, and that's I think
that's one of the key strengths of your book is
decoding this logic, which is really illogical. But when you say, okay,
so we're burning hydrocarbon fuels and we are emitting carbon dioxide,
which is a greenhouse gas is a process. Now, greenhouse

(12:40):
gas is only a trace a trace molecule in the
atmosphere point oh four percent, So it's not nearly as
effective as greenhouse gas, as is water vapor, which is
about seventy percent of all greenhouse gases. So we're dealing
with the wrong end of the equation to begin with.
But the only reason why we're dealing with that is

(13:02):
because hydrocarbon fuels emit carbon dioxide. Okay, Now, if we
say that this produces a good system, which then are
not distributed, according to social justice, not equally distributed. White
people get more and produce more, and those who are

(13:25):
privileged from good schools get more, and so therefore minorities
get less. And if we redistributed everything, we could have
less use of energy because we wouldn't be overproducing for
the privileged few, right right, right, So therefore, if we

(13:47):
get no more use of hydrocarbon fuels, we can have
a better redistribution of the much less that there is
to distribute, which makes no sense at all.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's just cuckoo, cuckoo.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, it's just you know, So I got a good idea.
Why don't we uh, you know, why don't we shoot
ourselves in the foot so that we are not equally
discriminating against people who are truly handicapped?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Right? Yeah, so you're I mean, you're bringing up some
really excellent points. And and the way people are so
able to believe these things, well, okay, you know that's
why I contend this is run like a cult. They
first put out this these scary scenarios that draw people

(14:37):
in and then they point a finger at each individual
saying you are a carbon sinner. It's your lifestyle that's
ruining the planet. But but you can atone you can
atone my reducing your carbon footprint. I think just in
the San Francisco Bay area, where you know, of course
I lived in work for so many years, they revived

(15:00):
the Oakland Airport. So there's the San Francisco Airport, which
you've flown into before, and there's just across the bay,
the Oakland Airport.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
But now I've floated into both of the many. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
So so they're trying to revive the Oakland Airport. And
the way they're selling this in their in their television
commercials and radio commercials is by flying from Oakland, you
can reduce your carbon footprint. I mean's just these coca
maybe things. So see, there's atonement for your your carbon footprint.
But then they promised this great utopia, as we mentioned,
where there's going to be no social injustice and there's

(15:32):
going to be social equity for all. So it has
all the underpinnings of a cult. But I mentioned this,
doctor Corsi, because it's just like you know when you
wrote your books on Obama. Obama was like a cult
the way they were able so easily able to get
guys people, I should say, behind this guy. The hysteria

(15:53):
over COVID was was run like a cult. So they've
they've learned how to tap in to the heartbeat of
so many uninformed people and really stretched these things out.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, it's it's interesting, I mean, yes, and it is
a cult in that regard. My book on Obama was Abomination,
and it was subtitle was the Cult of Personality.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yes, so I forgot about the subtitle right.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Right personality, and I was really focused on that this
was a cult in terms of Okay, now, it's interesting.
I was reading yesterday just one of my favorite books
I've published, maybe in the seventies, called How Real Is Real?
And they were talking it's a book on social psychology,
and they were talking about in Seattle then under the

(16:39):
Eisenhower administration, when there was still nuclear testing being done
in the atmosphere and in Seattle, knew highways were being
built and there got to be people were saying, well,
my car windshield is getting poked, you know, getting all
these pock marks in my windshield from the radiation and
the cement, and so were reports all over the place.

(17:02):
You know, all the people were reporting the car windshields
were being destroyed. Well, the Eisenhower Group Eisenhower President is
and how Are actually sent out a task force to
study this, and what they found was that the windshields
were not getting poked parked. The windshields were suffering normal
road outside surface scarring from just being ridden driven. But

(17:24):
there was no This phenomenon was not going on. But
because people had the idea that it was going on,
more and more people were saying, well, I've witnessed that
there's a problem with my windshield, and so the whole
city was going on to this bizarre idea. Now, once
you do the same with carbon dioxide, and you say, well,

(17:46):
you know our carbon footprint, there's something wrong with carbon. Ye, Well,
a lot of our bodies are carbon, right, it's the
backboat of life. Without carbon, we wouldn't be here, right.
And carbon dioxide is plant food, so it is greener.
And the earth is warmer today than it was during

(18:08):
an ice age. But six hundred million years ago we
had more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than we had today. Right,
We've had ice ages because of the Milenkovich cycles. We
are orbited around the Sun is not circular, it's elliptical,
and it gains more elliptical. We're farther away, we're likely
to have an ice age. Now this is these are
all scientific principles, but they're not taught in schools.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
No, no, no, Well it reminds me of that saying
by Karl Marx history means nothing. They want to destroy history.
They don't want you to know your history, and that
includes the history of the Earth's atmosphere and climate. But
I also like what you were saying regarding that trace
amount of CO two in the atmosphere point zero four percent,

(18:55):
And you look at what percentage of that is actually
generated by humankind through the use of fossil fuels, primarily,
it's four percent of the point zero four percent. That's
an infinitestinable. That's you can't even measure that. That's so
small it's hard to wrap your brain around that. But

(19:16):
they don't want you to know that, you know, so,
just a common observer would say, wait a second, the
tails wagging the dog here, How could CO two be
such a dangerous component of the atmosphere? One of the
guys who endorsed my book, and you know of him,
doctor Neil Frank, you know, former director of the National
Hurricane Center, and he had mentioned to me in a

(19:39):
private in a conversation that didn't make it into the book,
but I have other instances of this fact present in
the book. If we drop below two hundred right now,
we're about four hundred and twenty parts per million in
terms of CO two, very small amount, and again of
that only four percent that is generated by humankind. But

(20:03):
if we were ever to get down below two eighty
parts per million, plant life would start dying. Right We
need more CO two. And as you mentioned in past
eras CO two has clearly, through geological evidence, been higher
than it is today.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, your book is strong and saying that you can't
refute these people with facts. No, No facts mean nothing. Yeah,
because they'll say, well, your your facts are racist. Your
facts right, because you know, well you're a white person,
so your facts are racist. We don't want your facts,

(20:40):
We want our facts. Okay, it's not a fact driven argument.
It's it's a postmodernist you know, we can posit the
truth that we want. We can posit that the world
without carbon hydrocarbon fuels is going to be a cleaner Earth. Well, no,

(21:03):
you can't posit that. I mean, for instance, okay, let's
take another point. Scientifically, if we increase x amount we
exude in the atmosphere x amount of carbon dioxide more,
it doesn't mean there's gonna be x amount more of
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere because it's not a linear process.

(21:24):
It may have another thing that kicks in and takes
out some of that. More plants grow, sure, okay, and
so the more plants exude oxygen, which is good for us.
But again, since we exhale carbon dioxide, you can say
this is the anthroposceine. In other words, human beings are
going to be the cause of our own extinction because

(21:44):
we are exhaling, and we should. If we're going to
kill cows because they produce methane and farting, we should
kill human beings because they exhale carbon dioxide. So we're
gonna save the planet by killing human beings.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Right right? Yeah? See this, These are the mental gyrations
that take place in order to sell this thing. And
when you have an uninformed you know, populace, it's it's
easier to pull this stuff off. I mean, you've all
of your books kind of touch on this mindset, but

(22:17):
so it is in climate cult as well. So what
do they have planned for us? They they say that
we're going to have a carbon neutral energy grid. Right,
And it's interesting because you may have had this in
your book. I certainly touched on it in mine. But

(22:37):
Princeton University seems to be the go to for this,
this carbon neutral this is the best of pristan University.
The truth. Tryally get to the place where it's all
solar and all wind. Well, we'll need a We'll need
a wind turban field. That's two hundred and fifty million acres.

(23:00):
So I did the math on this. That's that's Nebraska,
that's Missouri, that's Kansas, that's Illinois, Kentucky, and half of Indiana.
That would all be wind turbins.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Right, and half of it wouldn't work.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
So then at M I t the geniuses at MIT
who are all in on this as well. They said, well,
we'll certainly have to have a battery backup. Okay, great,
We're gonna have a battery backup for this this wind
and solar outfit. So right now they're estimate for this
battery backup, which they say could last twelve hours if
it works, is going to cost a mere two point

(23:40):
three trillion dollars doctor Corsi. Right, these people are these
people are.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Mad well, and they want to capture carbon dioxide from
the atmosphere and bury it in the earth. It was
a big the big carbon capture factories. It's sublimate the
carbon dioxide into the earth. Right, well, it is it
going to stay there? I don't know, it's going to
mean it's it's ridiculous idea. And then then you can

(24:06):
have carbon taxes so that if you want to emit
more carbon dioxide, you buy a credit from someone who
is emitting less, right, And so they have a tax scheme. Now,
the idea of taxing the air we breathe has been
something the left is wanted been doing forever. They can
just tax everything, tax even the air we breathe. Yes, okay,

(24:30):
now it makes no sense at all because again, scientifically,
carbon dioxide increases in the atmosphere follow warming, they don't
precede warming, they don't cause warming, and the forces I
typically have I find ridicule. The best way to deal
with these people, I say things like, you know, that

(24:51):
big yellow thing up there in the sky is not
a tree ornament, you know, it's not a it's a
it's the on and it's the main source of light
and heat on Earth. We know that because the Earth
rotates the other hard concept for the left concept. And
then when we're on the other side from the sun,

(25:12):
it's dark. We called that night. It does me the
sun's gone, it's coming back. It's wait a while, okay.
And then when we rotate around, if we didn't have
carbon dioxide, if we didn't have greenhouse gases, when the
sun is gone, a lot of the irradiation from the
daytime would escape back up into the atmosphere. So the

(25:34):
greenhouse gases are not noxious, they're not harmful. You know,
we exhale carbon dioxide. It's not killing us right right.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well, there's that wonderful organization that I know you're aware of,
the CO two Coalition. And you look at some of
the heavy hitters on this list of scientists. They include
the twenty twenty two winner in physics, John klat Sauser,
John Klausser again, you know, physics professor Nobel Prize, and

(26:07):
he says, no, we need more CO two, not less
and John Klauser is an interesting case in point, as
are so many others on this coalition. And you know,
we have other petitions like the Oregon petition, which I
think has seen over thirty thousand scientists sign on to it,
and Climate Intelligence another group of heavy hitters. Thousands of

(26:29):
people have signed on saying they don't buy this theory
of global warming or climate change. But you look at
so many of these people when they finally did a
deep dive, like John Klauser did this, He did a
deep dive into the temperature record. He said, I want
to see what's going on with this global warming thing.
Doctor Neil Frank did the same thing in the nineties.
He said, I've got access to all the records. I
want to see what's happening with this global warming deal.

(26:51):
And they all go through the records. And I've been
able to do this as well as a meteorologist, but
not to the level they have. They get access to
more stuff than I can that I've been able to.
But you look and that the temperature record of the
Earth has been so mismanaged, and there are so many
estimates that go into that climate record, and this is

(27:13):
what John Klauser was saying. He said, in the world
of physics, we don't do estimates. We can't estimate the
amount of cloud cover in the sky when we put
together these climate models. We can't estimate the amount of
water vapor in the atmosphere when we put together climate models.
We need to know specifically. But again the public doesn't
know this. So much of what's going into these models
that spelled bluem and doom are it's estimation. Well, and

(27:38):
therefore there's an opportunity for bias.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
That's exactly right. And Judith Curry is one of it
was one of the big Yes global warming believers. Really recently,
she's recently changed her position and largely seeing how Michael Mann,
for you know, fake the data, Yes turned her around
because she now understands and is writing effectively that you

(28:03):
can't model the climate because the mathematics are not linear.
So I've got nonlinear mathematics, which again people are not
taught to understand what it means. The equations don't always
end up with the same solutions. That's hard to understand.
But you try to solve certain sets of differential equations

(28:26):
that are almost unsolvable, yeah, or they have so many
solutions that it's almost meaningless. So therefore, you know, the
probability of an outcome coming from these factors that if
you could measure them precisely, And we can't measure them precisely,
So small differences in measurement make a big difference in outcome. Yes,

(28:50):
but we're measuring things with mathematics that are For instance,
Pike has an infinite number of decimals. It is not
a discrete number, you know, So therefore it's not measurable.
And so how many decimals do you take when you
want to say how warm is it today?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
You know?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I mean if you could measure that, how many measurement
points would you have to have on the earth to
say what's the temperature of the earth right now?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, there isn't one temperature of the Earth right now,
because half of the world is dark, it's night. All
kinds of variations, sure, and the complexity of this is enormous,
and it cannot be modeled because we don't have the
mathematics that permitted to be modeled. As a meteorologist, you know,

(29:43):
is it going to rain tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
You don't know? Maybe, Yeah, it's true. I mean, you know,
you're going to be right on that general forecast probably
eighty percent of the time. But now let's take it
two days out or three days out and four days out,
and your accuracy starts to plummet. And that's just that's
just for the TV weather guy. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, the best idea of what it's going to do
tomorrow is what it's doing today, and that's not very reliable, right, yeah,
and so therefore this prediction which is inherent in the cult,
they're certain. Okay, so it goes back to psychological. So
now another thing. Psychologically, Let's say we say that Hurricane

(30:29):
Sandy comes through, or any hurricane comes through and does
a lot of damage that it demands a news cycle.
We say, we're getting an awfully lot of these. We're
getting more of these we've ever had before. Yes, okay,
so now you're into climate porn. That's a big hurricane.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Who gets the title for that next book?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
You were me, I like that one. It's probably a
good idea, climate porn.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
But okay, you're right though, with the climate porn, I'm
the next time I say it, as doctor Jerome Corsi
told me. And then after that, I'll say, as a
guy once told me, and then the third time, I'll say,
as I've been saying forever, climate porn. But to your point, Okay,
so this is what we're getting right now. I mean, people,
we had that rash of tornadoes a couple of weeks ago.

(31:21):
Right off the bat, they're saying, well, these are bigger tornadoes,
more tornadoes than ever, But that defies history as well.
I mean, the worst tornado in human history, I believe
was nineteen thirty one, the tri State tornado. It lasted
many hours, it tore through two hundred nineteen miles, It
killed hundreds and hundreds of people in the Midwest. So

(31:42):
we've tornadoes have always been By the way, tornadoes are
so small they couldn't be computer to and into any
climate models. They're tiny creatures. So more tornadoes this year
this summer. You're going to hear about heat waves. Oh god,
it's more heat waves than ever. It's got to be
climate change, and on and on and on. It's it's
the climate porn. It's exactly what they.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Do, and people believe it because they've heard it, and
they begin justlike the you know, our windshiels out in Seattle,
are getting pock marked because the Russians are detonating nuclear
weapons in the atmosphere and we're getting the fallout. Okay,
so you get a completely irrational set of beliefs. And okay,

(32:26):
so more people are dying from hurricane well, of course
they are. People are building more in hurricane alleys. Absolutely,
we have development of seacoasts, we have a bigger population.
You know, Florida is a lot more populated today than
it was in the nineteen fifties. So more people are
going to die. A hurricane comes through, it's a bad one.

(32:48):
And when our bad hurricane comes through, you know, you
may not be have a structure that's going to be
able to resist the forces of nature. These forces are
enormous and but they're natural. They're natural. There's the Earth's
way that an alpha Okay, so let me climb it
could us and you cannot rationally argue these things with them.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
No, No, well, okay, forest fires are another one, or wildfires.
We'll see massive forest fires this summer, probably most of
them induced by lightning. But why do we see more
of that? And they have a new term for this now,
as you know, it's called flash fires. Flash We have
flash floods, flash fires. Well, the reason why the fires

(33:32):
are going out of control is because of this environmental
mentality of preservation. You know, God, Okay, let's get back
to God. God in the Book of Genesis says be
a steward of the earth, take care of the earth. Well,
I think, as a real conservationist, I want to take
care of the earth. I want to manage the forest properly.

(33:55):
But they believe in this preservation mentality just let them grow,
let them go, and let them grow. So our national
forests and many of our state forests have just grown
completely out of control. They're tinder boxes. Now. I've been
able to observe this in my own lifetime, just hiking
in the high Sierra, places where I used to be
able to hike unabated, to climb to the top of

(34:16):
about and you can now no longer do that. It's
just filled with brush and all all sorts of invasive
species that should have been cleared out a long time ago.
But it's a tinder box waiting to happen. And as such,
I know this throughout the Western United States. I can't
say what's happening back east, but fire insurance rates have
gone through the roof because of this.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Now, it's right, the only thing I mean, and I
think to attack a cult. And in your book again
is very good on the how do we attack a cult?
So you can't argue with facts, right, but for most people,
one of the key, all the ideas produced by this
cult don't work. They're all bizarre. Okay. So electric cars, okay,

(35:04):
electric vehicles. Sure, the original cars were electric vehicles. Why
don't we have electric vehicles today? We because internal combustion
engines were more efficient.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Now, if in winter in Chicago we had a bad winter,
people could not recharge their cars in the open because
the batteries don't charge when they get cold. Okay, we
don't have enough charging stations. In fact, all this money
that Biden passed in this environmental bill that we are

(35:38):
the reduction, deficit reduction, we do all these wonderful things,
none of which we've done. Well, we haven't built very
many chargers either. And the chargers. You go to a
charging station and some of the chargers don't work. Right,
there's other people there.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And you're in a long line, long lines.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Well, you better turn your car off because it may
run out of the battery and you won't be able
to move it. You know, it goes on and on
and on. They wind turbines, well they kill birds and
they tend to burn up and they turned to wear out.

(36:21):
Well that's so we got a lot of wind turbine
junk and got a lot of solar junk. So we
have a solar farm and it gets a hailstorm. What
happens to the solar panels, Well, they probably aren't going
to work very well after they've been hit by hail.

(36:42):
And where do we get the batteries? Well, we had
to use hydrocarbon fuels to get the rare earth minerals.
So I thought this was net zero.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, you're supposed to say that, right, Okay, So again
the difficulty is, and I think your book hits it
right on, is that we're not dealing with rational people here.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
No, we're dealing with people who have been made to feel,
and they've internalized it that their future is waste. They're
going to die because we produce too many chevrolets and plants.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Right, So I ask you this, I certainly have my feelings.
My feelings I'm sure are aligned well with yours. I
think at the end of the day. This is really
all about control. They just want to control our lives.
They so despise humanity, they're so they're all for their

(37:41):
little clique, you know, the elite, the elite class. But
I think this is designed to just limit our energy
availability and therefore control the way in which we all live.
I mean, think about this, doctor Corsi. People around in
America now are getting used to rolling blackout. Well, well
they just happen from time to time. That's incredible. They

(38:03):
should never happen. People are used to water shortages, That's
that's insane. It's it's a management issue. There's enough water
to take care of all of our needs abundantly. So
so I sense this is just a method of eventual
you know, control.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, at a heart, just like it's Marxist to the heart.
It's also depopulation. It's an enthusiamat, and it's dark. It's
anti human. Yes, it's it's a death cult and it's full.
Let's use less efficient energy. Okay, well that's a good idea.
It's less efficient energy. You know, let's teach our children less,

(38:44):
they'll be smarter. These are things that just are inherently irrational.
Let's have well, we can't have you know, fertilizers that
are based on nitrogen. So therefore, how are we going
to feed all these people? Well, we don't plan to

(39:05):
feed all these people. We've going to let them starve.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, there's too many of them. They have to be
weeded out. Okay, So they never wanted to need themselves out.
It's just like I said, Paul Eric never saw too
many butterflies that he complained about. He also didn't say
that there are too many environmentalists, crackpot environmentalists that have
to be worry weeded out, right, or that we need

(39:33):
to start teaching science in the schools again so people
don't get bewitched by these bizarre ideas. But then, you know,
you get to the point not only where you've got
this psychological process going on where it's easier for people
to believe a lie and think it through because they

(39:53):
can find you know, well, we've now got a demonization.
It's not the Jews, it's carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide
is the Jews of the atmosphere. So we got to
make sure we get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's about as insane as that. Yeah, And so therefore
why would you want to get rid of carbon dioxide?
I mean, it's it's greener here. Now, would you want
to live in an ice age? Are you serious you'd
like to?

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Do?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
You know what an ice age is really like? I mean,
you know, I'm living in New Jersey. I've got a
big boulder here by the hill right where we live,
with a walking distance. That boulder was moved here by
a glacier thousands of years ago. It didn't just it's

(40:42):
just sitting in the field. Well, how they get there?

Speaker 1 (40:44):
It didn't just grow there.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
It didn't grow there. There's no other There's no other
boulders like it around anywhere else except for a few
more that were brought when the glaciers melted. The boulders
stayed where they were. Why do we have the Great Lakes?
Well they were dug out by the glaciers. Well we
don't see the glaciers anymore. What doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Right, Yeah, But again, you know history means nothing. No,
they don't want to hear that. I think one thing
I talk about in the book, and I know you're
familiar with You're quite familiar with the subject, is the
whole idea of geoengineering or solar geoengineering. I just find
it amazing how these people are spending hundreds of millions

(41:30):
of dollars at universities all over the world studying, especially
solar geoengineering, where we're going to go into the stratosphere
and start creating essentially weather where there currently is no weather.
They don't think that's going to have some kind of
side effect that might affect them as well. That's the
part of the equation that's just to disconnect for me.

(41:51):
And the other thing that I don't believe. You know,
they all contend that they're just studying this theoretically with
models and whiteboards, et cetera. But oh, would we would
never test this, We would never do anything in the
stratosphere to actually test our theories. I find that hard
to believe as well. Well. They never admit to doing

(42:11):
any of that.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
With their major scheme, big schemes. Let's put something in
the atmosphere to block the Sun. That's a good idea.
Let's block the major source of heat on Earth. Let's
block it.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Well, if it.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Weren't for the Sun, we wouldn't be here if we
didn't have photosynthesis, you know, carbon dioxide is fundamental to
photosynthesis in plants. We wouldn't be here, so you can't
eliminate the sun, and you can't eliminate carbon dioxide. And
and yet if we put on a crazy outfit and
we paint ourselves up with face paint and we get

(42:46):
signs and we go out hysterically and start screaming at people,
we can say that you're destroying the planet. We want
to save the planet. Well, of course everybody wants to
save the planet. Now, the idea that human beings can
save the planet must of the planets seemed kind of
ridiculous because the planets experienced five major extinctions before we

(43:08):
even got here. And so we're just the latest creatures
walking around on the surface of this joint. And then
the sun's been here and the planet's been here, and
they're just waiting for us to be gone. All the
rest of them that we're here be gone. You know,
it's not a permanent place, and it also is the
place is subject of very cataclysmic action. So a big

(43:32):
asteroid comes through and it participates in killing all the
dinosaurs because it throws a tidal wave up from the
Yucatan into what today Montana and everything along the way
is all killed. You can see it in the strata. Yes, okay,

(43:53):
well people don't you know it took the Alvarez Is
to figure out that this uridium, which is thrown off
by earthquakes and the other kind of phenomenon thrown off
by comets hitting it can be found around the world.
But the Earth repairs the damage, not like the Moon

(44:14):
where there's no atmosphere and you see all the craters.
Well we've been hit two and we're going to be
hit again. It's not a stable place. But these climate
things think the only thing that's varied in Earth is
industrial activity from human beings four point six billion years
of Earth history or four point five however many billion

(44:36):
years industrial activity is like less than a microsecond, right, correct,
And yet everything that all we're suffering is attributed to
that microsecond. Well that's ridiculous. Now, maybe we had a
nuclear war and we blew up the entire planet, that
that microsecond could be significant. But putting on more carbon

(45:00):
dioxide into the atmosphere is a non event. And people
just don't comprehend the scale of time or the scale
of power or energy or events. So what your book
focuses on. And this is where the attention needs to
be is that this is a cult. It's a craze

(45:23):
idea and if people can understand that, it's not going
to be so seductive.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, and how do we get people out of this cult?
I really make a plea at the end of the book.
The younger millennials and Gen X and Gen Z, these
are compati These are incredibly liberal people by nature because
of the indoctrination they've been exposed to beginning in kindergarten.

(45:57):
But they're also very compassionate. And I'm making a plea
to that compassionate part of their being that we need
some common sense and just to take a step back
and look at the big picture. But I'm reminded of
something and I talk about this in the afterword. You know,
America was at a crossroads prior to the American Revolution,

(46:20):
and there was a spark, there was a light. There
was an awakening that took place, and it was a
spiritual awakening, and it took place through the sermons of
people like Jonathan Edwards. Suddenly there was this great revival,
this great awakening that happened in North America and a

(46:40):
lot of people became filled with the spirit of God
and they started seeing the world a little differently, and
they really believed in their heart that we need freedom.
We want freedom, we want religious freedom, We want as
John Locke talked about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
We want these three principles to guide us. We don't
need a king. We need to separate ourselves. And so

(47:02):
they went out and fought the biggest military in the
history of the world at that time, and they won.
So my point, doctor Courus, is we need, we desperately
need an awakening in this country. And it's my prayer
every day that the spirit of our Lord will just

(47:22):
make himself known to people throughout this great United States
for America, and that hearts and minds will be changed
so that we can see the truth and realize that yes,
this is a cult and the whole idea is oppressing
us and taking away those inalienable rights of life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness. I will say one more thing.

(47:43):
This past weekend, I have a Bible study that I
facilitate every Saturday morning with guys from all over the world,
and because of what's going on in America right now,
this divisiveness. I asked two guys to pray for us
here in America. One was from Nigeria, one was from Bulgaria,
and their prayers were so profound. They were so grateful

(48:05):
to the United States. The guy from Bulgaria because the
United States helped break the shackles of the Soviet Union
that allowed him to become free. He so appreciates America.
The guys in Nigeria are there countries a hellhole right now,
but nonetheless they are grateful to America because half of
their brethren in the state of Nigeria are Christians, and

(48:29):
that Christianity was spread to Nigeria to the African continent
from America. So I want to believe, and I know
you're an upbeat guy, and you're positive about these things too,
and you have your faith in Christ and you've told
me about that in our radio shows in the past.
I just I want to believe the best for this nation.

(48:51):
But I think that can only come about with a
spiritual awakening.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Well, I agree with you. I think that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
And the.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
The thing about human beings is that you know, we
get it right for a minute or two and then
suddenly after that we're like a duck that's been hit
in the head by a board. From there on, we
can't think anymore, okay, And so when they get it
right for a few minutes, we will be thankful for that. Now,

(49:22):
there ought to be a time in human history when
we get it right, and we really get it right.
But that's going to have to have not only a revival,
but it's going to have to go back to fundamental institutions.
We're going to have to get families that stay together. Yes,
we're going to have to start teaching the fundamental principles

(49:44):
of the Bible and teaching moral education. Now, these things
are not I mean, even if you go to pre
Christian and you read you know, Plato of the Laws,
or you read Aristotle the politics. These are principles that
have been understood since ancient times that human beings need

(50:04):
these structures in order to function. And when the structures
start breaking down, then the thinking gets bizarre and the
country begins to deteriorate. So now once we have family breakups,
we have all of the social division, We've got all
kinds of issues going on that have been carefully architected.

(50:29):
So the climate cult is a very carefully crafted mind
virus that's intended to destroy and there is nothing being
suggested to replace it except for a very small group
to be in charge of everything and sincere anybody who

(50:50):
disagrees with them and go irrational the other irrationality, you know,
the Orange Man bad. No matter what Donald Trump does,
he's evil. We have to hate Donald Trump. Well, why
what this guy do? I mean, he hired black people
and when he had all kinds of minorities when he

(51:11):
was doing real estate in New York, spend time with
the workers. I mean, why do we hate him so much?
We hate him so much because he's no longer part
of the Metropolitan Museum Gala Leftist Coalition and the Upper
East Side. He's dared to challenge some of the principles
of socialism and communism. Well, that's not that's not permitted,

(51:37):
not if you want to be members of this club.
You know. So again, the ability of human beings to
maintain a true thought, to live a virtuous life requires
a commitment to do so, and it requires a decision,

(51:59):
a more decision to be made. That again, unless you're
preparing and educating children to come to that point. When
they're capable, they're subject to all this demonic lies and nonsense,
which is fundamentally well, you don't have to pay attention
to mom and dad. You know better than mom and dad.
You don't have to pay attention to them. And so

(52:23):
it's fundamental in human nature. And I've spent a lot
of time reading and thinking about it. It's fascinating to
read some of the social psychology and to see, you know,
all the things that have been known and studied over
the years about human behavior, and they're not too flattering
for human beings. You know, the Milgrim study where people

(52:44):
will apply pain to each other if they're instructed to
do so. It's not a very bright idea of what
human beings are capable of doing. And so the cult
nature of this which your book exposes, I think is

(53:07):
fundamental to breaking through this climate nonsense and lies. And
I'm very pleased you wrote this book.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And I agree with you wholeheartedly. While we need this
awakening at so many levels. We need to rebuild these
fundamental institutions of our society because they've been broken down.
So they've been broken down so well by the left.

(53:39):
You know, they're so patient with their plans, aren't they?
And I don't know how many years we have left,
doctor Corsi, if we don't turn this ship around. I'm
sure you've given some thought to that. But the clock
is ticking. Everybody. Everyone needs to take part of this
to get informed, become equipped, and be willing to speak out.

(54:02):
You know, if your church decides that they're going to
be involved in climate justice, you need to get informed
and speak out. When your schools teaching this, that or
the other, it's your school, speak out. And I'm sure
you would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yes, and your books on climate are very readable, and
so people are going to be able to be entertained
and get think through these issues in a way where
you're guiding them along the opening their eyes to various issues.
And so I think all of your books are very important.

(54:37):
I'm very pleased this one's out. Now let's again, let's
tell people. Let's name the three of your books now
the climate what their names? The titles are.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Climate Gate, which exposed the whole climate Gate email scandal,
climate Gate a veteran Meteorologist exposes the global warming scam,
and that Veteran Meteorologists portion that came from my work.
I was on the CBS station in San Francisco for years.
But I also worked first CBS in New York. I
was their regular filling guy for years on the CBS

(55:10):
Morning News and the CBS This Morning Show. And just
an interesting story there, doctor Corsi. I got to know
Dan Rather a bit. Dan Rather approached me and he said,
I want you to be our West Coast weather correspondent.
Anything that goes down to the West Coast. You're on
the CBS Evening News. This was probably like ninety five
or something when he approached me, and he said, and

(55:30):
by the way, with all this talk of global warming,
I think you'd be the perfect guy to talk to
us about it. Now. I was skeptical of global warming
in nineteen ninety five. I wasn't eight denier like I
am today, but I was skeptical. And I said, well, Dan,
you know the jury's still out on global warming, but
i'd love to talk about this. When I said the

(55:53):
jury's still out, and this again is about nineteen ninety five,
he looked at me, did not even respond, turned and
walked away. And I never worked on the CBS Morning
News or CBS This Morning ever again after that. So
that's the veteran meteorologist who wrote wrote climate Gate. Then

(56:14):
there was Eco Tyranny, and I was inspired to write
Ecocharity from some of your books. Ecochranny, UH, exposing and
defeating their warren life, ecotranny. I need to know the oh,
how the left, how the left's green agenda, how the
left's green agenda will dismantle America. True inspiration from you

(56:36):
on many of our conversations on the radio. When I
wrote that, and then climate called exposing and defeating their
warre on life, liberty, and property.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Well, if these are you know, we have to make
a combined effort to get these messages a cost. No
one book is going to do it, no one speech.
It's a matter of testing people and saying, look, these
ideas don't work. These ideas are bad science. These ideas
are a cult. They're not they're not climate science. These

(57:09):
are important concepts and it takes a it's going to
take years to beat this. But this these are, you know,
the various formations of a Desmet calls it mass formation.
It's also kind of like a group hypnosis or the

(57:31):
madness of crowds. Another one from McKay was a great
book on that, and it's it's kind of like you wonder,
why did people get in their minds that women were
witches and burn them at the stake. It seems like
a fairly crazy idea, but yet it was very popular
for a long time. Yes, And you know that's again

(57:52):
I think some of the the problems that we've got
in terms of a constant reinforcing of the themes and
coming back to it. And I commend you for writing
this book. I commend all three of your books. I
recommend all three of them. I think I have your
previous two books in my collection. Now I'm adding this third,

(58:14):
and I've got large collection of books on climate and
I value yours. Where can people reach you, Brian?

Speaker 1 (58:21):
There is the Brian Sussman Show podcast. You can also
to reach out to me. If you'd like to contact
me via email, just go to Briansussman dot com, Brian
with an I Susman, s Ussme and Briansussman dot com
and there's a contact button and I respond to my emails.
So I look forward to hearing from your listeners and

(58:42):
your viewers and doctor Coursy. I really appreciate you. I
appreciate all of your hard work. Your tireless effort. You
are an absolute writing machine. I don't know how you
do the research you do, but I've always been encouraged
by your books and really been inspired by your your

(59:04):
dedication to you know these various themes.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Well, it's a plan to continue and to work with
others like yourself who we will win this battle. I
always say in the end, God always wins. God will
win here too. Good, And as long as I'm around
to continue, I plan to keep going right on, right on.
We need you and well, we need you to Brian,

(59:30):
and thank you for writing this book. And I look
forward to reading this book in more detail. Good and
we'll recommend it on a show to others.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Thank you very much, and we'll wrap up today. This
is doctor Drome Corsi. This is the Truthcentral dot com.
Thank you for joining us in this interview with Brian
Sussman and his new book on climate cult. Please get
a copy and we will be act tomorrow. God bliss.
Thank you,