Scott Wiper on “Flynn”: The Untold Story of General Michael Flynn

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
More Angels, Course of Information.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I've got a really special guest today, Matt Wiper,
who is produced and directed and the whole film for
General Flynn. Flynn the Movie, and if we've interviewed General Flynn,
we've had a good discussion with him on the Truth
Central as he was doing his tour around the country

(00:26):
with this film. It's been highly successful. You can see it.
Chris is showing you now on the screen the Flynn
the Movie website, and you can see that there's many
places where you can get the DVD. You can buy
it on Amazon. I got it from myself on Prime,
and you can do about YouTube TV, the Alpo iTunes, Google Play,

(00:50):
Salem Now, Ben Dangle, and you can buy the streaming
video directly from Flynn. And there's just a lot of
different places where you can buy the dvd, even an Amazon, Walmart, Target,
Salem Now, Epic TV. There's just as it should be everywhere.

(01:12):
And there's Flynn the Movie. I'm so impressed with this
and I've watched it and just studied. I've known General
Flynn since twenty sixteen. I met him at the convention
in Cleveland when Donald Trump was Inaugurst was nominated for
the presidency, and Flynn and I have been in touch
on an off and on basis. Certainly when he was

(01:35):
with the Mueller investigation, I was with the Muller investigation.
We kind of broke off contact for a while. We
didn't want to be seen as kind of colluding in
the background. They would one way or the other tried
to use that against us. But I've had great conversations
with the General. I have tremendous respect for him. And
it's a great honor, Scott, to be talking with you

(01:57):
today about the inside of how this film came together.
So why don't we start, Scott if you give us
some of your background. I mean, how did you get
into the film industry? And you know, what is your niche?
And how did you get together with the General? I
guess all those are questions.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
In my mind.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
You can start anywhere you want.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Start, and you can cut me off ago too long
as far as the nutshell, And thank you doctor Corsi
for having me on your show and for your words
about Flynn movie.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
It.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, I'm coming from Hollywood. I've escaped it for
the last couple of years, but I went out there
in the in the early nineties, and I've pretty much
just made my living as an action movie director. So
this is my first documentary. I have been very passionate
about movies since, you know, as soon as I got

(02:50):
my hands on a video camera in the mid eighties,
and I went to film school at Wesleyan University in Connecticut,
to very liberal school. But there were only so many
schools in nineteen eighty eight that had a film program.
There was USC, NYU and Wesleyan University. But this probably

(03:13):
around twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, I was you know,
I'm also a screenwriter, so that's probably the most important
skill in forming a telling any two hour story, which
is how do you translate something as massive as the
General Flynn story, which encompasses the Mole investigation and Russia
Gate and invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? How do you

(03:38):
tell it in two hours?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
So one thing when I so backtracking. So I've been
making these action movies The Cold Light of Day with
Bruce Willis, Sigourney Weaver and Henry cavill, A Better Way
to Die, The Big Ugly with Ron Pearlman and Vinnie Jones,
Malcolm McDowell, and I sat down to work on my

(04:03):
next movie, and I just couldn't do it. The subplots
kept getting bigger and bigger, and I was trying to
work in things that mattered, you know, the opioid crisis,
all the many subjects that you hit on. I would
work in things about JFK, just just random things that
mattered to me. And I realized I wasn't going to

(04:25):
be able to address it to calm my soul, just
making an action thriller. And I put the word out
that I knew I wanted to do something and be
careful what you wish for it right, and it was great.
I through a series of events. I know Jeneral Flynn
was looking for filmmakers and actively sitting down with them,

(04:46):
and I got invited when it started this particular project,
and I'd driven all over the nation talking to people
about what, you know, can I make? Can I do something?
I didn't know if it'd be a drama or a documentary.
I had no idea, but I went down in February
of twenty twenty three. I did not fly when I

(05:09):
got the invitation because I said to my fiance, she
was why don't you you know it's a three hour flight.
I said, I have a feeling I'm not coming back.
And so by that time I was in Cleveland, having
left Los Angeles. So I drove eighteen hours and I
didn't come home until we were done filming, and we
filmed in April of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Wow, well that's incredible. I was born and raised in Cleveland.
I went to Sant NACI's High School in case Western
Reserve for my undergraduate work before I went to Harvard,
And so I know Cleveland pretty well.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I knew, I knew you were, you had Cleveland roots.
So there's there's a it's very good to be talking
to Phil. And I was raised about two hours south
of Cleveland, down in Grandville, Ohio. Sure left there in
nineteen eighty eight, but I'm in Ohio and at heart,

(06:05):
maybe that's what kept me saying in at thirty years
in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, that's how you made some good movies. This thing
with General Flynn. How did you get together with General Flynn?
Did he contact you? Did you contact him? What happened?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, I was he'd been told about me, and he'd
be met was with many filmmakers from what I've been told,
and he was told, you got to meet this guy.
He's he's Hollywood didn't get the best of them. He's he's.
And the invitation was very it was very no nonsense.

(06:41):
It was I remember it was mid February. Is that
can you? Are you available to meet with General Flynn?
February eighteenth, twenty twenty three, and that was I think
Monday night, And I said the next day was the fourteenth,
And I said absolutely, And then I decided I would
drive so and it went. We've probably sat for five hours.

(07:01):
The first time. The room was full of you know
of people. And then uh after that weekend, I stayed
in Florida and we uh met again. This time was
more intimate and just talked. You know. For me, at
the start, I didn't, it didn't my mind. My brain
just wasn't on a week making a movie, you know,

(07:23):
the way kind of like ambitious Hollywood people can get.
At that state where I was digesting all information I
could find, including many of stuff, many of the work
you've put out to just to sit down with a
with a with a three star general who ran one

(07:44):
of our largest intelligence agencies, the d I, a defense
intelligence agency and had been a national security advisor. These
are the things I always say, and these are the
perks of Hollywood, right, you get to meet interesting people.
But this one took the you know, this was so

(08:04):
I an opportunity to sit and talk to me. That
was worth and that was worth the drive, right, that
was worth the time. But instantly something clicked. Ah my
as far as understanding what's happening in the world, to
see the household I grew up in in uh here

(08:25):
in Ohio in the eighties, I ran contra and what
was going on about all those events was dinner table conversation.
So although I've been in movies, some of my frustration
with kind of the Hollywood atmosphere is most of my
close friends sometimes I want to avoid a dinner with

(08:46):
me if something intense is going on, because I just
I want to get into subjects like this probably for
too many hours than then most of my close friends
want to handle. So so sitting down with a now
security advisor to me was uh, fascinating.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well, and Chris, if you'll get ready, I want to
do show something as we get into this, I want
to show the trailer. We'll get into the conversation, but
towards the end, I want to make sure we show
the trailer. Ah the you know, the film starts out
with the which I thought was a really creative way
to do it. You have the General surfing and talking

(09:27):
about the ocean and the challenges of the ocean and
the family. You begin to introduce the family as a
family that is adventurous, is in touch with nature, is
willing to take challenges. I mean, you know, surfing, and
the way the General does it is pretty aggressive. I
know that's not the safest sport in the world.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
And well he uses in his language, he uses a
lot of aquatic metaphors. And when I said we first,
when we first sat, I really tried to just just
listen and talk, and I gave a little bit about
myself so I could see I could kind of see
who he was, just as if they had their neighbors

(10:09):
over for a barbecue. And I was trying to just
see who who this man is. And I found him
incredibly likable, incredibly intelligent without all the affects of of
I guess politics or military. He just is a very
warm guy. And but that water clearly growing up on

(10:31):
the ocean Rhode Island, it affected all the family but
he always went for an aquatic metaphor if I felt
like I was drowning or you know, when you when
you get, he would use surf terms when you get
you get hit by a big wave and you go
under and uh So I thought, well instantly, I think
probably the first time I said, well, we sounds like

(10:53):
we're definitely going to capture some some water images. I
also thought it was it was interesting because I didn't
I wasn't I didn't know a ton and so I
wasn't expecting uh Man his age to still be surfing
because I grew up in uh I spent the last
three years in Venice Beach, California. So the surfers I

(11:14):
saw were not quite They weren't three stars generally scary advisors.
So I thought that was interesting and it's something why
didn't I know that? Like why there's a very human
side to General Flynn that the corporate media never shows
right right they they've made an attempt to dehumanize him,

(11:34):
and I made I wanted to make a big effort
to let remind people of all political persuasions that this
is a this is a human in his family, they
are a human family, and uh if you're going to
even start to understand, you have to reverse what they've done,
which is to portray. Uh. They do it to many people,

(11:56):
and you probably know the list of people where they
I can set it's an orchestrated effort to dehumanize someone,
because I won't have done that the public. It's much
easier to manipulate the.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Narrative, that's right, And they do it to all of
us that they disagree with. But I thought I especially
did like the family part of it, because you brought
in his wife, was his high school sweetheart, really that
he married young, and she seems like a very strong
woman and a very strong part of his life, and

(12:31):
they seem very together as a team. And his son,
who you also introduced into the movie and was part
of the story, not only because he was doing public
relations for the general, but he became part of the
Mueller investigation. Will cover that in a minute. But I
really appreciated knowing more about his family. I had not

(12:52):
seen his wife. I didn't really know that part of
his life at all, and it really eliminated a depth
to the general. And first of all, General Flyinn just
looks like a general. I mean his physical looks. This
is a guy who you know, if you're casting, this
is the guy you would cast to be a three
card star general. And in fact he is. He looks
the part on the demeanor is such that it's military,

(13:16):
but yet he's very human in terms of his interests.
He's very you know, caring about people. Are they You
do a good deal on introducing it with his background,
and you know, he's been a warrior and highly regarded
an intelligence. You want to talk that. You showed scenes
from Afghanistan. You showed the different parts of his warrior

(13:38):
activities going back to when he was very young, which
I thought was fascinating. One of comment. And that's guy.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And you know, by design, I thought the movie should begin,
you know, with a quick intro, you know, but then
you get into the war because first and foremost he's
a soldier, all right, which they people need to know.
He has spent time, in a lot of time in
active combat. UH and he UH has seen death. He

(14:11):
has seen the atrocities of war, and in extending conversations
that UH forms many of his opinions. By no means
is he at the terms right. The language The terms
are tricky. He's of course he's not a pacifist, but
he is he is someone that knows that when we

(14:34):
make decisions about war and the potential loss of life,
it has to be done with extreme uh care and thought.
And that that hit me. And you know, I for many,
for most of my adult life, I was a California Democrat,
right so, and this wasn't about politics to me. There

(14:56):
had nothing to me. This was I was trying to
get the film to transcend to that. But I thought
the war element is something everybody should know. I also
found that it unifies people, and that was a goal
of the film, which is this is not about the

(15:17):
crossfire of two different sides. The audience has had let's
say that any audience has probably consumed two thousand hours
of the corporate media's vision of General Flynn. This movie,
for I tell people, well, now you've got two hours
and this is coming from him and his family and

(15:38):
other members in the media and the military and intelligence services,
and you can digest it and balance it all out
for yourself. But it was important for me that they
can tell their story. And all we did was follow
the truth, you know, because even the crew, many of
most of my crew, I didn't change the crew to

(16:00):
do a film with John Flynn. I brought in my
Hollywood crew.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
You know the thing that oppressed me. And there's a
lot of signals the general gives off. I mean, for instance,
he was very clear about having saying that war has
a very serious manner and we shouldn't go to war
except for a compelling reason. And then he gave off
a number of signals. General Smedley Butler, who you know

(16:28):
in the nineteen thirties wrote a book called War as
a Racket and talked about how all we're doing is
fighting wars for the arms dealers, and these perpetual wars
the deep state runs. Well. General Flynn comments that about
war being a racket. He comments about the arms dealers,
he comments about perpetual war. So for a warrior, he

(16:52):
understands that many of the battles we get into. You
know that there is a deep state here.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
This is the best stuff. Of course, I'm the truth central.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
So therefore the government lying to get us into a war.
He's an intelligence officer. He's aware that these manipulations go on,
and he's aware of it in a very deep way.
I mean that came through to me from just the
little signals he gave off that were indicative that he's
been there, he's seen it, he's been on battlefield and said,

(17:25):
why are we doing this?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yes, because when he said it live, I mean, you know,
we did one hundred hours of interviews, but I remember
a nugget where he said, and this is in the
start of the film, if we're going to war, it
means we've failed. Yes, it's a failure of leadership. It
is a failure of diplomacy, it is a failure of policy.
And I went that because it's always trying to break

(17:48):
the cliche. Right if the three star general, the media,
if they want to character assassinate him, and they do,
they're going to paint him as a war hawk, or
they're going to paint him as all make the public
fear this person, because it's something out of a Stanley
Koprick movie. Right, it's general that wants nothing but war.
So I thought instantly that was important for the audience

(18:10):
to see because it's not just one line. It was
a theme about throughout you know, you you you prepare
for war, but you hope for peace, right, And so
there's just a complexity to a very rational compassionate man
who understands war. And I thought that was important for
all audience because the other goal was we weren't making

(18:34):
a film to preach to the choir, right. My desire
after talking with the General was that we would make
something that all of us can share with our friends
who might not see it yet, or they might be
resistant to it because maybe they're left of center, maybe
they're there, they've been. But I wanted something where on

(18:59):
that war from And I remember early, you know, remember
when Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders were campaigning in twenty sixteen,
they had crowds of you know, ten twenty thirty thousand,
and the main message was end the endless Wars. And
then Jeff Bush and Hillary Clinton, you know, a part
of what I call the war machine, right, they had

(19:22):
crowds of at least dozens, if not hundreds of people.
So I saw that one thing that unites citizens of
a country is this subject of war. And someone like
General Flynn should be in a position of power, because
I said, anyone who understands, who's been there in these

(19:43):
wars when decisions are being made, someone who actually knows
what the reality is should be involved in those decisions.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think that's a very important point also some of
the complexities of his life and involvement he the Obama part.
I thought you did it particularly well. You know. So
here's the General and he's and now beginning to write reports,
and he's beginning to say, our intelligence is deficient, we're

(20:13):
not doing good job and intelligence, we're not accurately understanding
the world situation. We're making political decisions that may be inappropriate.
And he begins to get vocal about this. Now, all
of a sudden, Obama pays attention to him and brings
him back to Washington. And you make the point of
you want to have your enemies closer. In other words,

(20:34):
they want to bring the general out of the field
where they can get them in Washington, where they can
control them and rain them in and make him follow
the rules. I thought that was an interesting perception. Do
you want to comment on that?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, And still, like many things in life, it's still
an open question. Bob Gates was involved in that too,
I believe just from reading through Bob Gates. After Jenna
Flynn wrote Fixing Intel, which kind of goes after my
assessment of it, goes after your standard CIA method of intelligence,

(21:08):
which is whatever you get, it goes to the top,
and then the top decides where it goes. Right, So
it allows some it allows an organization to become a
captured organization, captured outfit very quickly, because all you got
to do is capture the top. So my assessment of

(21:29):
fixing intel was was to decentralize intelligence so it can
be shared across the lower ranks and it can't be
controlled by the top. So that was instantly one could
argue a threat to the way things have been done right, Well,
that caused it sounded like when fixing Intel, he wrote
that he put it out towards the end of two

(21:51):
thousand and nine. That could have ended his career. And
there's some stories of you know, people you know, But
it was I believe Bob Gates, Secretary of Defense, who
said this is this is genius, this is what this
is smart. And then Jim Clapper and others in the

(22:11):
Obama administration, and Bob Gates had been Secretary of Defense
that spanned over Bush into Obama, so maybe he was
a reasonable person. But I think it's an interesting fact
right that that it was a secretary Defense who said, no,
this is great and then when the decision was made,
was this because oh, this this man who's been in

(22:35):
the heart of the highest levels of intelligence in Iraq
and Afghanistan really knows what we really want to bring
an intelligent person into the Obama administration or is it
a case of keep your keep your friends close, but
your enemies closer.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, I mean Obama promoted General flyinna Bey head of
the Defense Intelligence Agency, So he gave him a very
powerful position, right, which you would assume he would did
because he trusted him. Okay, now that's that's and the
idea that he was put there so he could be
controlled by Brennan at the CIA, by Clapper and these

(23:12):
other intelligence officers around him, who were in fact Obama loyalists,
and that they had deep state attitudes. They didn't mind
lying to the vic Donald Trump. They had an agenda
that was a globalist agenda. They were not necessarily interested
in the US interests per se. They were inclined to

(23:34):
fight perpetual wars. I mean Obama was radicalizing everything since
the first day he got into office. He was radicalizing race,
you know, saying that this professor story about losing his
keys and trying to get into his home in Cambridge
and was arrested by a Cambridge policeman that that was

(23:57):
racial bias and all the things that Obamita did to
radicalize everything. And now Flynn comes in, he starts in
the Defense Intelligence, begins doing his job the way he
wants to, and he's got an assessment before Congress that
doesn't agree with where Brennan and Clapper have decided that

(24:19):
they want to control the narrative, and Lynn's out there saying, no,
it isn't that way at all. I don't agree. Now,
that's not supposed to happen. Washington politics are all supposed
to be on the same narrative, and here's Flynn telling
the truth that you're not supposed to tell the truth
in Washington. You're supposed to stay with the narrative, the

(24:39):
established line. And so Flynn immediately starts targeting himself. And
I think you did a good job of illustrating that, Scott.
I can remember the one scene where they're all coming
in front of Congress and testifying and Flynn's out there
giving his own report. What a comment on that part
of the movie I thought was particularly good.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I mean, in front of Congress with yes. Well, the
so Jim Clapper, Jim call me John Brennan, General Flynn
are going in front of Congress. I believe what I
think it was. The state of isis was the top, yes,
and everyone everyone was basically all you know. It stems

(25:21):
with the narrative was the JV team, no worries, right,
and we got them under control. We got them under control.
And the report and this isn't just General Flynn's sitting
up there giving his opinion. At that time, he had
twenty thousand employees under him at the Defense Intelligence Agency.
This was their report. And the night before he'd been

(25:44):
given a red lined version of his report, and he said, no,
this is wrong. I've got to tell the people the truth.
And so this is where you see he's incorruptible. And
they may have banked on the fact that once someone
comes into Washington and you whine and dine them and
you give them, you know, the uh interesting store. Someone

(26:06):
who worked at the DIA I met well completely separate,
said they told me a story about they called security
to move like a certain car out of the director's space,
not realizing that it was General Flynn's car because he
didn't show up. In, you know, with this big new,

(26:26):
big job in some fancy car, and they figured out
the director of the this agency, this must not be
his car, and that they said it in a way
like we realized right off the bat he was a
man of the people.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Uh yeah, well, this is the Washington game. They take
you in and they make you feel special, and then
you get to the fancy restaurants and you have to
move your family and they find you a place and
they pay for your move and everything is comfortable.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
And he's incorruptible.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, and they expect you to say, well, I don't want
to lose this, so I better play the game. I
better go along. I better understand that this has already
been decided, and I, you know, I don't want to
buck this because I do. I really want to go
back to Kansas, you know, Am I going to be
thrown out of here and then we're going to have
to move ourselves and it's going to disrupt the family.

(27:16):
So they're banking on you being corruptible and Flynn was not.
He wouldn't he wouldn't. The red line means they crossed
out the part of General Flynn's prepared remarks that they
didn't want him to read, and they gave him the
parts that they wanted him to read. They made it
their narrative and refused to do that. Now, at that
particular time, what was going on as you had John

(27:37):
Kerry and McCain coming before Congress and saying, we have
to work with the moderate terrorists, the moderist rebels, and
they were actually involved in creating ISIS. Obama helped create
ISIS through Kerrie and Flynn, I solidly believe that. And

(27:59):
Bagdad of course, then turned against them and they had
meetings with all of these the core group that was
the ISIS originally, and so their idea was we could
support the moderate terrorists to combat against the extreme terrorists.
But I always thought that Obama and they were all

(28:20):
going to make money on the terrorist war, continuing with
the disruption, which Obama liked because it was destabilizing, and
that's part of the communist agenda to destabilize America. And
I've always believed Obama was trained in communism from Prank
Marshall Davis was himself anti American fundamental change to America. Well,

(28:44):
thank you very much. We're seeing what that means today
with the woke and the rest of it. But the
point is that Flynn wasn't buying it. He was saying,
ISIS is a terrorist group. We've got to take him seriously.
They're going to do damage. And Flynn was right. Now,
suddenly Obama turns on Flynn. Okay, so Flynn loses his

(29:09):
job as THEI heading the Defends Intelligence Agency and he
in retirement now for a while. Okay, so this for
military is a big disgrace. But Flynn didn't seem to
mind it too much. He took it in. And then
the next part of the movie that really caught my attention.

(29:31):
I thought you did a very good job with all
of this, was that when Trump is coming on, the
one person that Obama in their private conversation President outgoing
to President incoming, that's a very important conversation, and Obama says,
don't hire Flynn. Now, I've always thought he didn't want

(29:56):
him hiring Flynn because Flynn knew too much about Obama.
And if Flynn was National Security advisor, he would go
after Obama, and he would go after all the things
Obama did with Iran and supporting Iran. You go after
all the deals that were made behind the table so
what do you think about that? And I've written articles

(30:20):
on this, I've talked to the General about it. I
think the General agrees that had he been remaining as
National Security advisor for Trump, we'd be living in a
different world today.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Scott, you know so much right there. I was once
told about, you know, someone in the intelligence world, these
globalists are flat thinkers. Maybe it's true because when I analyze,
when I think about, you know, Obama or the other
Obama never met General Flynn, which is which is mind blowing, right.

(30:58):
I don't know. Maybe it's on pre un precedent that
a sitting president does not meet the man that he's
putting in charge of one of the largest intelligence agencies.
That's in the movie in more detail. But so even
if you're thinking, and you've done some research on candidate

(31:19):
Donald Trump and you want you want to make sure
he doesn't hire General Flynn, wouldn't the logical thing say
this either don't mention him, or say this is the
this is the guy he really want. So a lot
of it I constantly think these things through, right.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, Well, you're right, I mean that probably probably if
Obama doesn't want me hiring Flynn, maybe I ought to
do it right.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I've watched people talk to sabotage friendships use much more
complex psychology than.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
This, And I think you make the point that's really
when Flynn and Trump got started getting together, is you
know that it's the whole Obama opposition made Trump made
Flynn more interesting to Trump.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Well, General Flynn had you know, for your audience, he
as soon as as soon as he retired from the military,
and it was basically because of that event within the
Obama administration. So he was when he retired, and he
instantly went into you know, doing things, and I got, uh, uh,

(32:29):
being active, and he's just that kind of guy. I
kind of described him the other day as uh, the
movie cool Hand, Luke, there's a fight scene between George
Kennedy and uh Paul Newman, and it's a classic, you know,
depiction of David and Goliath. But and David just does
not stop. But so the General continued on and but

(32:53):
he was willing to advise anyone, any presidential candidate, and
he said I would have advised Bernie Sanders if he called,
and I would have advised. But he ended up advising
about five presidential candidates, one of them me and Donald Trump,
and then spent a lot of time on the campaign
trail with Donald Trump. So by the time Obama gave

(33:14):
him that Donald Trump that advice don't hire Kim of
North Korea or General Flynn, Donald Trump had already come
to know Jeneraal Flynn very well. So then it was
a quick phone calls covered in the movie.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
And also Trump also made the overturs towards Kim Jong oung,
So he did. He took what Obama said to him
and said, if Obama doesn't want me to do they says,
maybe it's what I should do. I mean. Trump immediately said,
you know, if Obama doesn't like it, then maybe I
should like it.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Devin Una says in the movie, is that you can't
make this stuff up.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, you can't make it up, I mean. And so
then we come to the part of the movie where
he's covering the setup. You know, the Department of Justice
decides they're going to come over and see Flynn and
they're going to trap him coming over. Actually, we're just
here General to talk with you. This is non official.
And of course as soon as the FBI says that

(34:15):
to you, you want to get a lawyer, and you
should not talk to the FBI without a lawyer. I
certainly knocked on my door for them all investigation. I said,
thank you very much, gentlemen for being here. Well, first,
we had German shepherds at that time, and German shepherds
could taste FBI, so we had to get them secured
before we opened the door. I would had dead German

(34:37):
shepherds pretty quick. And then we talked to them and said, look,
I said, I'm going to get my attorney right away,
and who do we contact? But I don't have anything
to say right now. So they went away. But the
point is that they entrapped him, and they talked about
this Russian call and talking about sanctions. I mean, it's

(34:59):
complicated story, but they set Flynn up intentionally. They went
over there to entrap him, and so the FBI was
already working against Donald Trump, which was the beginning of
the Russian collusion idea which Hillary had started surfacing when
the emails were stolen and she and were published by

(35:21):
in twenty sixteen campaign by Julian Assan, who has just
been released from prison, thank god. But the point is
that this Russian collusion story was now beginning to build
to to try to destroy Trump's first term in office.
I do say first term in office. I think he'll

(35:41):
have a second. But the point is that Flynn played
a major role in this. And Flynn's not only under indictment,
but they say to him, if you don't take a
plea deal, we're going to indicte your son on a
born agent's violation because he had been working with Turkey

(36:02):
and they didn't register as Turkey agents. All of this nonsense.
But they went after Flynn's son to get him to
take a plea deal, which would admit culpability on Flynn's part.
And Flynn took the deal to protect his son. Now
that's kind of like falling on a hand grenade to

(36:26):
protect the troops.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
That's right. Well, you know, when you there's many elements
here in this plea deal, but the number one thing
he took the plea deal to protect his son. And
seven or ninety eight percent of Americans who are up

(36:48):
against the United States government take a plea deal. So
that's the other thing I found in the orchestrated narrative
by the mainstream media was all it took a plea deal,
But anybody who watches a cop show, anybody who watches
NYPD Blue, any episode of law and order, you always know,
especially someone who can't mass it necessarily afford legal fees,

(37:11):
and you have to be a billionaire to afford legal fees.
Up against the United States government, they take a plea deal,
but they but the added element that everyone should understand
is that they had an off the books deal. And
this is presented in the movie by one of the
attorneys on his team that they would not go after

(37:31):
his son if he took the plea deal. Now, why
that was important to me as a storyteller, as a
as a movie maker is because there's that balance of
there's there's the there's logic, but then there's also heart
and soul. Right, And I thought, we're not just telling
a movie of the events, the geopolitical events, or the

(37:57):
the court case. We're telling a universal story. Worry about family.
And at first I said an American family, And the
more I hear from people, I said, no, it's it
transcends even our borders. It's the story of a family.
Because I figured it still needs to be a story
that everyone can relate to. So, as you mentioned, we
tie in Laurie Flynn, his wife, his high school sweetheart,

(38:21):
and his son. But these the year at one of
the blocks I think a lot of people have in
understanding what's happening is their inability to accept how evil
some of these organizations are that we're up against. And
when you see the inhumanity, it's they didn't just attempt

(38:45):
to destroy General Flynn with no compassion. They went blindly
after any member of his family or anyone who offered
him support. Now, as a storyteller, I'm just like, that's
something everyone needs to oh, because this transcends politics. This
really comes down to do you have a human heart

(39:06):
or not?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, well, they trying to do the same thing to
me that I'm not a billionaire, and they offered me
a plea deal. I said, we're going to put me
in front of a jury. I thought I had to
tie to a songs which I didn't have, and say,
we're going to put you in front of a jury
and they'll convict you. You'll spend the rest of your
life in prison. And I figured that was going to happen,
or you can take the plea deal, or I refused

(39:29):
the plea deal. I couldn't face lying before a judgment
of God to keep myself out of prison. I said, well,
you better just get ready to put me in prison.
They did not indict me. But that was a miserable
time in my life, and I think probably wrecked my
thirty two year marriage. My wife wanted me to get
out of politics, and I did for a while to

(39:50):
comply with her wishes, and then she had an affair
and decided to break the marriage. I planned to live
the rest of my life with her. At any rate,
God I think took her out of my life and
I went back to work. I've been back at it
now and I think this is what the prices you
pay here are enormous. So I could relate to that

(40:11):
part of the movie very personally because they have been
through it. I knew what General Flynn went through and
would know the whole family went through, and that decision
is not an easy decision to make. Now. General Flinn
ultimately got Sydney Powell involved, and he was able to
reverse this after the Russian collusion story began following this.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Is the best of course, I'm the truth Central.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And take their plea deal. By taking their plea deal,
they would says of course he had a tie to Assange.
That's how Roger Stone knew, and that's how Trump knew,
and that's how they coordinated the release of these emails
with the Russian had stolen well because I I had
not I did not have a tie with Dosannge, and
they couldn't find one because it didn't exist. Their case
ended and they had to close down the investigation, which

(41:00):
they did shortly after I refuse the plea deal. And
yet because General Flynn took the plea deal legal his
legal case continues and now he's got to fight that
the plea deal was on fraudulent terms, including back deals
that the attorneys made with each other to get him
to take that deal, including the attorneys representing him, which

(41:22):
basically sold him out so that you should take this deal.
It's why I didn't want to hire Washington attorneys, because
they all work together, they all work with the government.
They'll make deals and sell you out because they're more
interested in their relationships with the government, and the governments
are planning these Department Justice people are planning of their
lawyers to retire into these law firms with cushy jobs

(41:47):
at the end of their careers. It's a very tight
little family there, and they will sell you out. Now,
I thought, I took the general and Sidney poll great
courage fighting again the federal establishment, federal judicial establishment, with
the judges that did not want to give him favor,
and he won. And again you tell that story very effectively,

(42:13):
bringing Sidney polland to the movie. And I thought, again
one of the strengths of the movie, the way you
did the story, and I greatly admire it, was it
is a story about General Flynn, a human being and
a warrior, a complicated warrior, and a hero of America,

(42:38):
maybe one of our best generals ever. Scott, do you
want to comment on that.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I agree the so much to say, right where he
and this is what everyone who came in to Florida
and met him, they were struck by his his vast knowledge.

(43:05):
And when they say Flynn knows where the bodies are buried, right,
you add that his knowledge of how the system works
with the fact that he's incorruptible, and you can just
even see in the movie he he now is aligned
with the Republican Party in the sense that he was.
He supports Donald Trump, and he is a great pick

(43:31):
for anyone with conservative values. However, he doesn't pause to
go after Mike Pence right, or Rant's previous, yes, or
what we call rhinos right, many terms, but the fact
that he is call it, none of that matters to him.

(43:54):
It is he's guided by the truth. So if someone
if a if a a fake Republican or a rhino
what everyonet to call them, someone not on board with
the interests of the people of this country and the
constitutional republic, it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what their
party is. And that is what the American people have

(44:15):
been craving in politics, which is someone who just just
calls it as it is, that comes through, that comes
through anytime someone has the chance to spend an hour,
if not weeks with him.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Well, I thought that that part of the film where
you're talking about Mike Pence and Rence previous, was very effective.
And again the General comes out as a man of God,
a man of principles, a warrior, but in defense of America,
with a very very sensitive understanding of the evil that

(44:58):
has become much of our government and fighting these dark
forces which are globalist deep state, not loyal to the Constitution,
not loyal to the United States. Post American. We used
to carry around the book post America. Well, I'm not

(45:19):
interested in post America. I'm interested in advancing America and
the Constitution and God and principles we have. And so
General Flynn is a true hero to me. And I
want to show a little bit of the trailer and
then we'll conclude the conversation. But Scott, I think you've

(45:40):
done a magnificent film here, and I want everybody to
see it. So Chris, if you just go to the
trailer and we'll just play the trailer and people get
a sense of what this movie's about, go ahead, Chris Gatherings.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Flynn knew exactly how the system worked. He knew exactly
what the Intel world had been up to. He understood
its funding. They had to get rid of Flynn.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
President's former Narthels that here advisor liten at General Michael
Flynn leading guilty today the line to the FBI, there
was a moment where I just felt like I was crowning.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
As the isis as the jav team. The feelings in
your lines were in or we.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
All knew that that he was one of the most
respected generals in the military.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Plain and simple, well in twenty twelve, he was appointed
a director of Defense Intelligence Agency.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
He ordered the first audit of the use of the
i a's use of contractors. This set off alarms me,
and so I'm in there with these other political appointees.
They're all supposed to go in there and tell what
they believed to be the truth. What they did was
they took my assessment and they wanted me to change it.

(47:12):
I was like, I'm not changing it.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Mike Flynn, whatever you think of him or his politics,
did not lie, but instead told the truth. And so
he was by definition, the most dangerous possible person for
Donald Trump to hire. President Obama said, but I do
have one specific recommendation, stay away from Michael Flynn.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
He's bad news.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
I went into disservice because I love our country, and
I come home and I find out that the worst
enemy that I'm going to face in my life is
right here in America.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Even had he not served his country, if he.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Were not a that veteran to turn something like this
loop a family, I mean, it's monstrous.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
The media was out there, the troves.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
I wanted to be a very deep depression, like suicidal depression.
Why that kept me alive was white.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
It was my son. We always knew that we somehow had.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
To get through it because we knew you fret guilty
over time. Instead of being pounded down below the surface
of the ocean, we started to fight.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I'm now above.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
The surface, but I can see the shoreline and I
started to swimming.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
H m hm m hm hm.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, it's a magnificent movie and I encourage everybody to
watch it. You'll you'll be cheating yourself if you don't
watch this film. This is the true story of General Flynn.
I think Scott you've done a magnificent job of pulling
it together and telling the story the way it is.
I applaud you, Thank you, doctor Courcy and Chris of

(49:23):
your show. Again, Where people can get the film, I
want to make sure everybody knows how to get the film.
First of all, General Flynn has his website. There's a
General Flynn the Movie website. You can find it easily
and the trailers on it you can get. There's different
ways to buy this and you can get it streaming
for Amazon Prime has its streaming YouTube TV iTunes which

(49:49):
is Apple TV, Google Play, and you can buy the
DVD at Amazon at Walmart, Target, Salem. Now there's different
places to get it also directly from the Flynn website.
Just over a little bit over two hours, and I'll
tell you it will pass very You'll be fair. You
won't miss a minute of this. You'll be glued to it.

(50:12):
And it is. It's excellent storytelling, Scott. Your Cindema graphics,
gills are excellent. But the story is what really drives this.
It's such a powerful story. And you do talk about
deliver the truth whatever the cost. And Mike Flynn has
certainly paid a huge price to serve this country and

(50:34):
it would have broken most people what he had to
go through. And it's a testament to the evil. That's
also a testament to the end. God always wins, the
truth wins. And I'd like to thank you for doing
this and I look forward to many more from you. Scott.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Thank you very much, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
All right, thank you all for watching this. Doctor Chrome Corsi.
It's the Truth Central. We've been interviewing Scott Wiper, who
is produced directed this magnificent DVD which is Flynn the
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