December 10, 2025 • 52 mins
Hollywood rarely tells the full truth — but Susan Olsen, actress and former talk radio host, is doing exactly that.
Best known for her iconic role on The Brady Bunch, Susan Olsen joins Dr. Jerome Corsi on The Truth Central for a wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation about fame, politics, censorship, crime, culture, and the hidden realities inside Hollywood — then and now.
In this powerful interview, Susan and Dr. Corsi discuss:
🔥 Hollywood & Cancellation
• Why Susan was cancelled from a recent Brady Bunch reboot
• How modern Hollywood punishes dissenting voices
• The price of speaking openly in today’s entertainment industry
🔥 Life as a Child Star
• Growing up on one of the most famous TV shows in history
• How creator Sherwood Schwartz protected his young stars
• Why the Brady kids were shielded from the worst of Hollywood
• The importance of education and discipline on set
🔥 COVID Lockdowns & Government Power
• Susan’s firsthand experiences during the COVID shutdowns
• Media fear campaigns and public control
• What the entertainment industry demanded behind closed doors
🔥 Crime, Immigration & Politics
• Illegal immigration policy
• Crime exploding in Democrat-run cities
• Government corruption and unequal justice
• Why everyday Americans feel abandoned by leadership
Susan Olsen delivers a rare inside look at how Hollywood really works — then connects it to what’s happening now across politics, media, crime, and culture.
This is one of the most candid celebrity interviews ever featured on Corsi Nation.
🎬 Susan Olsen on IMDB
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🌐 Corsi Nation Official Links
🌐 Website: https://www.corsination.com
📰 Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/
🌐 The Truth Central: https://www.thetruthcentral.com
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/corsi-nation--5810661/support.
Best known for her iconic role on The Brady Bunch, Susan Olsen joins Dr. Jerome Corsi on The Truth Central for a wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation about fame, politics, censorship, crime, culture, and the hidden realities inside Hollywood — then and now.
In this powerful interview, Susan and Dr. Corsi discuss:
🔥 Hollywood & Cancellation
• Why Susan was cancelled from a recent Brady Bunch reboot
• How modern Hollywood punishes dissenting voices
• The price of speaking openly in today’s entertainment industry
🔥 Life as a Child Star
• Growing up on one of the most famous TV shows in history
• How creator Sherwood Schwartz protected his young stars
• Why the Brady kids were shielded from the worst of Hollywood
• The importance of education and discipline on set
🔥 COVID Lockdowns & Government Power
• Susan’s firsthand experiences during the COVID shutdowns
• Media fear campaigns and public control
• What the entertainment industry demanded behind closed doors
🔥 Crime, Immigration & Politics
• Illegal immigration policy
• Crime exploding in Democrat-run cities
• Government corruption and unequal justice
• Why everyday Americans feel abandoned by leadership
Susan Olsen delivers a rare inside look at how Hollywood really works — then connects it to what’s happening now across politics, media, crime, and culture.
This is one of the most candid celebrity interviews ever featured on Corsi Nation.
🎬 Susan Olsen on IMDB
👉 https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001582/
🌐 Corsi Nation Official Links
🌐 Website: https://www.corsination.com
📰 Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/
🌐 The Truth Central: https://www.thetruthcentral.com
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/corsi-nation--5810661/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Angel.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Of course, this after Drome COURSI and we've got a
really special guest with us today, Susan Olsen. How are you, Susan.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm fine. I'm really thrilled to be here. K Man
that saves my sanity.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Trane Covid Okay, well we'll talk about that. Susan is
known for being Cindy on The Brady Bunch, right, yes,
how old were you.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
When it started? I guess when we did the first episode,
I was seven, and by the time we did the
last episode, I was twelve. But the thing kept coming
back in different forms. It's like the show that Wouldn't Die.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I'm sure that Chris set up to play the theme,
which everybody knows. Good shirt, I'm sure you don't want
to hear it again. Everybody knows it though, right Chris,
I'm sure he's getting the queued up here, so we'll
probably hear the theme. Here we go, Brady Budge, there's
(01:04):
the Brady.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Bunch, says a good version where we're.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You're not what we're not singing? No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Singing this I called the Peppermint Trolley.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You want to play it, Chris? If you could play it,
otherwise we can look at it. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
In color.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So this must have been later on, right.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, this is early. This is the first first season,
so this is nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Nineteen sixty eight. There we go, And.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's definitely the better version of the song. And my son,
who is a much better musician than it, says it's
in a different key, one.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
A different key.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah. Well we came in saying it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, we've all heard this, okay, Chris, that's probably enough.
We've got we got the image, we got it, so
it First of all, I got to ask you how
was it to do the show? What was it? What
was your experience doing the show?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It was great fun. I mean I wouldn't recommend it
for every kid. I think that we were all kind
of different and being professional children having a job at
young ages was normal for us. It was okay for us.
I do teach acting for children, and I'm I'm honest
(02:50):
with parents and I'll say, you know, I don't I
don't think he'd really enjoy it, or say well you
know this way, hey, yeah, this one's got it. Unfortunately,
where I teach, the parents are not into exploiting their kids.
They're not, you know, they're not trying to make stars
(03:11):
out of them. I teach mostly so that they will
have more confidence and be able to speak for themselves.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I'm sure it had to be quite an experience
to be thrown into a job and perform all the time.
I'm sure this was a constant thing, having to learn
lines and rehearse and do the shows.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, that's what I wanted. I wanted by the ripe
age of six. I wanted a steady job, and I
wanted to be on a series. I wanted to be
a series regular so I could do this every day.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Did you become Cindy?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, not at all. I hated Cindy. I didn't like
her very much. I thought she was really stupid and
she did awful things like tattle on people, which is
something I would never do. But you know, as a child,
I was very kind of offended by by the things
(04:15):
Cindy would do while she was inhabiting my body on TV.
But I mean, yeah, that's just me being nitpicky and
being a child that has to go back to public
school and get teased for everything that Cindy does. You know,
it's bad enough I do something stupid, which happens frequently.
But but you know, to get teased for what Cindy
(04:36):
did kind of unfair.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, and so you when did the show end for you?
When did you quit doing the show?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, it got canceled in it's like seventy two.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I think sixty eight, four years.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Sixty eight was when we did the pilot. Those the
footage that you saw, but it didn't air until sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, sixteen, it got canceled, Okay. Sixty eight, of course
was a critical year. It was a year the conventions
were going on in Chicago, We had riots, the Democratic
National Convention, the Vietnam War protests were going on. Lindon
Johnson had just said he would not run for reelection.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
We had the Brady family and the Manson family.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The Brady family and the Manson family, and the Manson
family was also there insanity of killing people out in California.
And those were the years that through seventy two. Seventy
two to seventy three would have been the first year
of the Nixon administration. And again the country was still
involved with Vietnam. The Vietnam protests were still going on.
(05:56):
We had rather in Vietnam did he survive, Yes, And
was he wounded or injured?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No? No, he was in army intelligence, so he was
mostly interrogating prisoners and not seeing frontline battle. But he
was in the Tet offense.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Almost everybody was the Tet offensive. It was pretty much nationwide,
certainly all through South Vietnam. It must have been in
that period of time for you acting and the politics
going on and the show, which really was not part
political at all, So it had to be kind of
(06:35):
a juxtaposition between the turmoil in the country and this
bubble that was the Brady Bunch.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah. But if you I think that the goal of
the show was to be written it was a family
show from the perspective of a child, the way a
child would want to see their family, and so it
was very idyllic, and it got more popular after its
(07:08):
original run when it was in reruns. And I think
it's really a generation of watch Key kids that made
it huge because it was this dream family. It was
the ideal. You know, Cindy loses her a doll in
the whole family, it is just you know, going nuts
trying to find the doll. Dad's calling from work, Have
(07:28):
you found the doll?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, I've gone through that. I've gone through that with
a daughter, and losing a doll or it could be
a really traumatic event for a family that is, well,
you're a.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Good dad, you know that.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I know that. I spent many times looking for It
is traumatic.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But so many kids are like, well nobody's around really care,
and so I mean there are countless people.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well for kids at that age, the doll is the
dolls alive. The dolls are real person, right, Yeah, yeah,
it's not you know, a doll, it's it's you've lost
a friend.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yes, and you've lost your security, yes, because I never
liked dolls, but I had stuffed animals.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, in fact, my daughter's my daughters was a stuffed
animal too, So it was not a doll, but it
was the same thing, right, And I understand.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
One at my TV dad's house. I left him behind.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We traveled internationally and lost this and we had to
go search all over for it. I mean, it was
if it didn't get packed. It was always on the
checklist to make sure we you know, we had the stuff,
figure that we had to be there. It had a name.
I can't even remember today what the name was, but
it was a particular. Everybody's looking for this named entity
(08:47):
that was, you know, and it was by the time
we found it was pretty ragged. I mean, this has
been through the wars. It was not a great shape
anymore after years and years and years. But the but
then okay, so then the politics shape. Yeah, well you
still have it. I'm not sure my daughter dies. So
(09:10):
through the period of political turmoil, we had Nixon resigning,
and then we had Carter in and we had the
This was a very tumultuous time in American history when
we were coming out of the Martin Luther King with
his entire civil rights movement, and then we had John
Kennedy killed. We had Martin Luther King killed in nineteen
(09:31):
sixty eight, I think it was in March, and Robert
Kennedy was killed that same year when he was running
for president. Probably would have been president.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I think.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So he was well on his way to being president.
He had just won the Oregon primary and won the
California primary, and he was headed to the convention in
Chicago when he got killed.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
He won California. Yeah, hotel guilty the next day.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Why did you feel guilty?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Because my mother and I were going to the polling place,
and I was chanting a vote for Kennedy's a vote
for a dope, which I'd made up myself. I thought
it was so clever. I just knew that my parents
were against They were very Republican, but looking back now,
they really were not socially conservative. It was more fiscally conservative.
(10:25):
And then when I found out, you know, I got
up the next morning, I want to know who won,
and Mom told me what happened. I was like, oh,
I feel so bad for chanting that, but you know,
as a child was five years old, Well, he's a Democrat.
And I didn't feel that way again until the most
(10:49):
recent four or five years. I really wasn't that partisan.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, and you have become much more political.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm very political now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And in fact, what happened when they wanted to remake
The Rebooth the Brady Bunch, I'm sure that you were
approached to being the adult version of the of the show.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yes, we and we all were working on our characters,
and we had a great a great showrunner who's like
the head writer, and and he came up with a
character which is basically me, but an exaggerated version of me.
And so she's a libertarian. She does she has a
(11:34):
podcast because in the previous incarnation of the show, I'd
been a radio DJ. It rescues animals, a little eccentric
and very very much against big pharma, and so it
was kind of like everything that I am, but a
little bit more so. And anyway, so, I mean, I
(11:57):
wasn't supposed to be playing a woke person, and so
our political leanings came into the storyline, and Greg was
a Republican and one of the things in the treatment
was you would think that Cyndy and Greg would be
(12:18):
on the same page, but they're not. I thought, Okay,
that's really insightful. And so anyway, then you know, CBS
was ready to possibly green light it, and then they
heard that I had gotten in trouble for for an
incident which was called a homophobic incident. It was really
(12:45):
a fake story. It was a non story, but the
mainstream media likes those the best, and so they decided
to investigate me. Well, I had had a political show.
I expressed a lot of views, all of which they hated,
and they said, you know, they talked about putting it.
(13:07):
There's a whole two hour interview with me with Brandon Straka,
who started the walk Away movement, and you know, it
was well, you know, maybe they talked about re education actually,
which was more about how would I speak of things
(13:28):
that came up and anyway, you know, finally it was decided,
now she's just too far, she's she's too dangerous, she's
too political.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Hate speech, too much, hate speech right.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Exactly, And that's what they will say, even though, like
the initial incident, all of this really was triggered, like
I was doing political stuff, but it was really really
triggered when I endorsed stalind Trump, right, And I didn't
even need it all that earnestly. Back then. It was
(14:00):
just I thought that Hillary was the most evil person
on the planet and anything would be better than her.
And it was my sister who said to me, she
was I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. I'm like, okay,
stay put, I'll be right over. I'll take you to
the er. How hard did you hit your And then
you know, I read his book Crippled America. I dang,
(14:24):
I agree with him. I agree with him a lot.
So I didn't think he'd win. But it was after
he won and everybody was all angry and so you know,
I think that was the root of my sins, and
I'll stand behind them.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, I've got a couple. I mean, you were clearly
fell victim to the far left nature of Hollywood media,
and that's still today an issue now. When you were
a child acting, how was pedophilia any part of your world?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, not at all, And I'm very proud to say that.
I think a lot of us had to do with
with Sherwood Schwartz wanting to make sure that everybody on
our set. Almost everybody had children, so from the electricians
and the grips and the directors, it was all family people.
(15:28):
So it was a really healthy environment and they saw
to it that we were allowed to play.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I think it was probably way healthier than anything today,
simply because we didn't have the mass media then you
couldn't we didn't have social media, and so I mean,
people would come on our set and not want to leave.
We had a really happy set. However, I was very
aware that there was something wrong in Hollywood because I
(16:01):
did go on other sets, I did do other jobs,
and there was just something in the air. And I've
been told that I had an ara about me of
don't touch and if anybody hugged me for a nanosecond
too long, I knew, and I'm shocked. I was very
(16:27):
shocked as an adult. The social media there was a
former kid actors page and all these people I used
to see on auditions and and really stun to find
out how many of them had been molested. So, yeah,
(16:47):
there was something afoot, but I was never touched by it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, you were fortunate, and you probably did broadcasts that
you were untouchable not to be best. Yeah, you probably did.
I felt like a.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Forty year old when I was eight. I was more
mature then than I am.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I learned to be a kid in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, well you kind of the Benjamin Button syndrome.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
If my skin would just do the.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Same, Okay, But you were aware of the pedophilia. You
were aware something was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's just aware that there was There's a certain desperation
to acting and that that exists, whether there's sexual deviation
or not. There there is this desperation about acting and
about being willing to do anything for the job, and
there's there's no separation. It's not like, I know, the
(17:47):
music industry is just as evil, but I don't see
it as much because there's a product there. You have
the songs, you have with art, there's there's the paintings,
and with acting it's it's much more vulnerable, and there's
just this kind of i'll do anything for the job attitude,
which I really hated. And then something that as a child,
(18:12):
you know, I wasn't sexually aware. I something smells wrong,
something's just not right about this right.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And as you got older, your politics got more conservative.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yet well no, I mean I got a little bit
more liberal, probably in my twenties and thirties.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Then was sort of in between it. Really I really
didn't get political. I have a great sense of justice,
and I think that's genetic DNA because I am the
seventh generation granddaughter of a woman who was hanged in Salem.
(19:00):
So there's this thing about justice and about things being
fair and about things being honest or corrupt. But it
wasn't until my sister lent me a book by Bruce
Bauer called While Europe Slept. I read that. I love Bruce.
He's now a social media friend, and I decided to
(19:21):
study Islam because I wanted to defend it. And six
years later I said, well, I can't defend this. I
could defend Muslims and hope that somehow the religion's reform.
But anyway, I started out with counter jihat and then
realized that the people that were lying about this was
(19:44):
during Obama. So the people that were lying about Islam
and about terrorism were lying about everything else too, And
that was mostly the folks on the left. There were
things on the right that I didn't like, but you know,
it just it then became about fact in fiction, and
(20:08):
COVID really did a number on me because I grew
up thinking, well, you watch the news, they're all honest.
You know, that's Walter Cronkite and everybody's honest. And I
think it was like in the nineties that I heard
about the bombing of La Panca and learning that the
(20:28):
that you know, the media will actually lie and anyway,
you know, I just I'm very intolerant of lying and
having the people be lied to, especially when I'm very
into what our founders and framers started with this country
(20:48):
and adhering to it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well, and you said I played a role in the pandemic,
How did tell me about that? What kind of what.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I just? I knew this isn't smelling right again. You know,
something's not right here. And then you know, I started
to see people that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Like, doctor Zelenka, we're listening to my coursination at that time.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Then I started listening to you, and literally because at
the time I was living with my with family and
we had a person in their seventies, and you know,
it's like, you've got to be careful. You got to
put you know, everything that comes in the mail, you
got to put it out. So I did it, did it,
and I'm I'm like, aren't you seeing some inconsistencies here?
(21:41):
And you know, I have to play the game, you know,
because you got to get along with people. And I
couldn't wait for the evenings when I turn on your
podcast and i'd listened to you, I was like, yes, yes,
that's not adding up, that's not adding up.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Hydroxychlor quin seems to be working. And now anybody that
says that gets silenced. We're silencing people that's say the
truth is, this is like a communist nation. So I
started to feel like everything was very dangerous. My son
was living a little bit far away from me at
(22:18):
the time, and I didn't get to see him for
three months, and I said, I am more concerned about
what the government's going to do than I am about
what this virus is going to do.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And did you get the hydroxy? We were at that
time doing.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It mostly I got it from my son. That was
my big deal. I set up a bug out bag
in my car in case the you know what hits
the fan, and I was just going to go get
my son and go to the woods. I had my
medical supplies. And then during during the whole thing, I
(22:59):
have very close group of girlfriends and we were all
anti vacs, anti covid JAB, which was never a vaccine,
and but I wanted to set up By this time,
I had gotten my condo and I wanted to set
up like the hospital for any of my friends who
you know, got sick. So I was very into getting supplies.
(23:23):
Everything that that the silenced people said worked I got.
I found personally iver met and worked a lot better
than hydroxy chloroquine. But I already had I ver met
it because I rescue animals and we use I re
met it all the time for parasites.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, And when you when you yeah, you can get
bovine swine and eck wine, and they're real cheap. But
I did go ahead and get the humine the human
kind just in.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Case look good and your politics. And you must be
excited that Robert Kennedy Junior is now the head of
Health and Human Services.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I am. I am so excited. I was wearing my
Kennedy shirt that day when he got confirmed. And I
used to dislike him because, oh gosh, I don't know
how many years ago, but he referred to Kirk Builders,
who is now the PM of the Netherlands, as an
islama phobe. And to me, anybody that uses the term
(24:33):
islama phobe is kind of a ninny. And so I
was sad Bobby doesn't know anything. And then I heard
him talking about that scenes and my son was diagnosed
with Asperger syndrome. He's on the spectrum very very mildly.
And it was through Bobby that I learned, you know,
because I was afraid to not vaccinate my kid, but
(24:56):
he had been diagnosed, and I learned separate them. The
MMR vaccine seem to be the culprit. So you do
the munths vaccine, you wait thirty days. You do measles,
you wait thirty days Rebella, and so I did that
for all of the subsequent boosters. But I mean, there's
(25:16):
they're getting tons of more vaccines.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Now, well, now my daughter would had just had a baby,
won't no vaccines?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, you know, I have a friend who just my coworker,
you just had a baby. I'm like, I'm not gonna
tell you what to do, but there are a couple
of them that you really should put your foot down on.
And you know the MMR separate them. It's just it's
too much. They could all be okay, but when you
(25:47):
have them all at the same time, it's just so much.
And why the heck is a one day old getting
a vaccine for hepatitis B that you can only get
through sex or drug use.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It is it is ridiculous. I mean, it is ridiculous.
And Bobby Kennedy's I think, going to do a lot
to uh you know. He was also a very effective
lawyer when he was doing the environmental work.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, and I like that too, because when Trump says drill, baby, drill,
I get it economically, but I'm also I am a
tree hugger and I am an animal rescuer, So you know,
I want to make sure, he was saying, drill, baby, drill.
I'm like, okay, please confirm Bobby, because Bobby will go
maybe not here or maybe not this way, because Bobby's
(26:38):
not falling for the climate control. No.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think the entire climate nonsense is now gone. I
think I think we I think what effectively, it's clear
that the DEI and the esg's and the gender dystopia,
these you know, insanities are now canceled. I think the
(27:03):
very people are sick of them.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're they're showing, but they're just you know,
it's tools. And a lot of people say, well, this
is socialism trying to take over it. I think it
was more it's nihilism.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, it's it negates value. It is, Yes, it is
essentially atheistic and no value. The values are whatever values
you want to have, and those are no values.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, and didn't you know, And it's it's really a
tragedy that this is all pinned on the left because
this is not what the left was about, because didn't
they didn't they want to go with nature and everything
natural and be this is so anti nature. It's being
spearheaded by people that want to destroy me.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know, the Martin constantly point out, Martin Luther King
was about equal opportunity, and he said, if you give
us opportunity, we'll show you what we can do. Yes,
we can compete with anybody. And that meant families, that
meant raising children with education, it meant values, and his
whole movement. Martin Luther King was a Republican. He was
(28:24):
not a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yes, he was a Republican. And and today it is
not about that. It's about it's not equality, it's equity.
In other words, there have to be so many of
this race, and so many of that race, and so
many of this gender, and so many of this and that,
and that's more important than whether you're competent to do
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the job. Well, that's how what Martin Luther King wanted.
He would have been opposed to that, completely opposed to that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It's an insult.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And also it's also discriminatory against anyone who is not
in the favored races.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yes, and creates more racism. But see, these these horrible
people knew that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm certain that it was designed. It was designed to destroy.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yes, yes, and so now when you get on a
plane and you see that your your pilot is a
black woman. You wouldn't have had a problem with that before.
You're not a racist, but now you have to go
issue there because of DEI.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Well, I think that's what we're finding increasingly. I mean,
the these air accidents that we've had have clearly reflected
DEI preferential hiring. And I think we're.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Seeing flying gonna have to fly a bit.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well. I think I think that the by and large,
I think flying is yet safe, but it is not
as safe with DEI and Trump will, I think, eliminate
these things and has begun to do it with executive orders.
The problem with executive orders is they can be reversed
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by the next president. They can all be changed back,
and so therefore it's just the beginning of a reset
back to traditional values. But it's got to begin somewhere.
And Trump's first first, you know, month has been I
think the most dynamic month, the most change oriented month
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in a positive sense, that the nation has ever experienced.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's it's amazing, really, It's like waking up to Christmas
every morning.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, and I think the country is lifted by it.
I think the country too.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I do too, although I'm here in Lama Land, where
people are very upset over it. It's like, don't don't
expose the people that are stealing.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
From me, right, I mean, you know, it's insane because
the Democrats, you know, have now become the party of abortion,
the party of euthanasia, the party of sex change, the
party of discrimination against white race, party of you know,
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government spending flight in the country with illegal immigrants, including criminals.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I mean we preferring criminals too.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah. Well, we've been running.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Ill aliens I used to work with.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We've literally we've been running videos and for New York
subways which have been taken over by the gangs and
the police in the military down there. The subways don't
why bother arresting these people because a lot of this
has been decriminalized. So therefore, even if they rob people,
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you know, the robbers and gang down there don't even
wear masks anymore because they know that nothing's going to
happen to them. Yeah, the judges are going to let
them write out.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
At least we got rid of something here in la
It was it was okay to shoplift up to nine
up to one thousand dollars ninety nine or something, right,
and you could come back every day.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well, no business can stay open with that. And that's
of course not that's where you have the point.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
So that's what I try to tell my lefty friends.
I'm like, look, you know, it's not like Biden and
Harris what I went out and I forgot to close
the border. Oh silly. Not an accident, No deliberate.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's deliberate, and it's evil because as we've been exposing,
even the Catholic churches involved and making deals with McCarrick,
who was a pedophile and homosexual cardinal, and making deals
with Honduras and the Pope, making deals with Biden and
with Obama when he was president and president of Honduras,
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who was part of the drug cartels and also was
part of the child sex trade, and we, amazing we
gave them money under the Alliance for Progress and got
involved in their activities. So the church became complicit in
these sex crimes, which are the most horrendous sex crimes
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against children who are taken away from their parents and
exposed to a brutal world that they don't understand what
desperation these children must feel, abandonment, confused, abused.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
We're going to need a lot of loving and carrying
people to adopt these kids and to counsel these kids.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Some of it may be permanent damage. I think, so, yeah,
that is not really entirely recoverable. In other words, that
these are lifelong injuries psychologically.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I agree. And it's it's it's it's so intentional.
I saw just having a kid on the spectrum looking
at just and and this is really mild. But like
CPS being aware that they spent more time harassing single
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white mothers, and yeah, child Protective Services, that there was
something fell going on there, that there are times when
when they might try to prove that your child needs
certain services more than they really do.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And take your children away from it, take your children
away from you.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Well that that's the ultimate. Yeah, But even just getting
a court to order services so that they can get
the money for those services. It doesn't matter if you're
a parent that says that's actually harming my child. That
didn't personally happen to me, but I saw it happening.
I saw that in other parts of the country, certain
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children were being placed in the system so that they
could eventually be put up for adoption. So I don't know,
you know, I used as a child. I like to
think that I could trust the authorities.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
But well, the two things I think are so tremendously disturbing.
Is abortion a life to this.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Helpless sorry' well that's within a certain amount of time.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Well, it's still a life. Mm hmm, it's still life.
And it's still a life that has no choice and
it's helpless. It's that's extinguished.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, I can't argue that, but I think that the
life of the mother is more important.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, it may not, it may not affect the life
of the mother and mother.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Just that's a little different.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
It may be inconvenient.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, But on the other hand, forcing somebody to have
children when they don't want to have children is not
such a great idea either. But you have to have
a limit. You have to legally, no matter how you
feel about it, morally, you have to. There has to
be a point where the unborn have rights. There has
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to be.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Well, my point is, if you don't want children, if
you're going to abort them, don't take steps so you
don't have children.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, and today it's so easy to get birth control.
They're really you know, i'd have to say, there really
isn't much excuse. But you know, I know people who
had the condom break that got knocked up their first time.
So I don't know. I'm still I'm still pro choice,
but I do understand and appreciate what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, I still think there's alternatives. If you really don't
want children, there are alternatives, and you can responsibly take them.
But to bring a life into the world and then
to extinguish it is to me unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, especially since it is so darned easy and.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So vulnerable and that life has no choice. Yeah, and
you've got it's irresponsible.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yes, it is very Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That these are things that I think our offenses against
God and offenses against God's God creates life, and once
that life is created, we have to nourish it. It's
our responsibility that That's how I see. It's our responsibility
to nourish that life that God bestowed it. We did not,
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And so that and I think taking God out of
the schools and taking God out of the communities.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
In the schools because you open that up. I think
the safest way to have God in schools is to
have nature in schools, because that is God's miracle.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Nature is a surrogate for God in this country.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
The proof of God.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Well, yes, but it is a distinction that nature is
not God's, it's an artifact of God. But the point
is this country was founded on Judeo Christian principles, and
it was founded on principles where God was part of
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the society. In other words, it was a moral society
and which had followed rules which were biblically ordained. So
there are values in that Bible that are part of
what the teaching is. Okay, and so those who don't
want to participate in it might opt out. But to
forbid it to be into the schools is to secularize
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the schools to a point where it does damage to
those who go through it. The ultimate my view them
and I think traditional morality, the responsibility of parents is
to raise a child and the state in a moral education.
Now there's a certain set of values that aren't arbitrary,
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and those values are ordained in the principles biblically. That
become a view of God. Now again, if people want
to practice a separate religion, or people want to have
their own religious time, these can be accommodated But to
abolish God from the schools means that the schools are
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secularized and the values that are internalized are absent of
a concept of God and our founding fathers. I think
correctly that absent a concept of God, a human being
is not fully developed, not fully formed, and potentially vulnerable,
potentially vulnerable to doing great harm because again the values
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are not rooted in consequences.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, and a conscience developing a conscience. Now, I personally
i'd rather see that take place in the home. Have
you ever heard the Mikayla School in England. Oh, check
it out. The head mistress they teach they don't get
religious because they have a lot of Muslim students too.
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And if they bring you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Well I think these are these are this is a
problem and I think, well, it's a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
But not at her school. Well, they're teaching conscience well,
treating everybody. Boy.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yes, that's that's the beginning of communism. That's the beginning
of a movement and towards not really having a God.
That God is not central, it's it's the formation of
a moral consciousness is centered on a set of values
which I believe are inherently spiritual because they presume that
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there's a reason to creation, there's reason to life, and
it has consequences in an afterlife. This is not an
arbitrary experience, not accidental or spiritual beings to begin with,
and spiritual beings in a context that is, you know,
forbidden to be spiritual is to educate half or a
partial person. Actually it's educate a misformed person. To my view,
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the person needs to have a religious orientation, and I
find that people who don't have it are fundamentally different
in terms of their outlook and things and how they
see life and do and value moral judgments, so that
you internalize a set of values, for instance, it can
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take any one of the issues. But truth telling, well,
we tell the truth because we understand biblically that not
telling the truth doesn't work. It's complicated. It's hard to
maintain a lie.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
We don't need the Bible to see that.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
No, you don't need to.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
See that spirit. The more you're going to see.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
You can see that. But then not to go to
the full step and understand that's God is yet a holdback.
So you can say someone has been through education, they've
gotten three quarters of the education. They know most of
what's required, but they only know three quarters of it.
They didn't get that the extra dimension, which allows you
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to truly perceive everything spiritually. There is a fundamental different
people who believe in God.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
You're saying, I just I don't agree. Well, I had
the final step and I pulled back from it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Well, we are probably going to disagree on religion. That
what does need God be? Well, okay, and I know.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's a hard one. But I believe immensely in God.
I believe that the reason why I can see certain
things is because God's like, look over there. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't feel that it'll be another step for you.
I'll be interested in talking to you in ten years.
Be an interesting step for you.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
To mind me ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Well, well, you're, as I say, you're probably growing in reverse.
I guess aging in reverse from everything I can determine.
Your ideas ten years ago might have been better than
your ideas today. Well, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
But I mean ten years I'll go back to them.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Maybe, yeah. But the point, Yeah, the point is it
it's like being colorblind. You can still understand that there
are colors because there's going to be shades of gray,
and you can understand that those are related to different colors.
But until you see the colors, you haven't experienced the
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full nature of a visual reality. And it's the same
of when you look at people who do believe in God,
certain changes occur in their personality where they're able to
they're able to accept things. You know. For instance, one
of the one of the points I always like to
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emphasize is that you know the experience of death or
the experience of you know, death approaching where you know
it's likely an inevitable reality. Now to someone who truly
believes in God has a way to accept it. More
so the you know, the you can see in religious
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societies that the priests or the clergy, whomever they are,
enter people's lives at critical points, you know, at birth,
you know, at marriage, at death, and any crises that occur, illnesses, setbacks,
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losing children. These things are for someone who believes in
God generically are harder to accept than someone who believes.
You know, with a religious view, and in my view,
only the Biblical view is complete. I don't see the
Islamic religion is complete. I think it needs reformation. Well,
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I mean, well, I would tend to agree in the sense.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That you know, that's dangerous words though, but.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, it has it needs reformation. I mean, I think
Christianity today is very different than Christianity was during the
Inquisition or the Crusades or the Dark Ages. You said,
you know you have a ancestor that was hung in Salem. Yeah,
well that these were these were aberrations, These were these
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were these were a church that needs a reformation.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
So I don't really believe that the Cotton Mather or
any of those people truly believed that any of them
were witches. I think it was a matter of trying
to get their.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Property well and essentially, and or they didn't like them,
or there was a grudge or there was some issue.
But again, these are I think every religion has to
go through a reformation, has to decide that even if
they believe that this religion is the only true religion,
it's not a reason to go to war with the
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next religion. And I think that our founding fathers had
a brilliance in saying religious freedom only means not an
established church. We're not going to tell people what they
have to believe. Okay, because again, as soon as you
do that, you cross the line. Yeah, even if you
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think your religion is the only true religion, you still
have an obligation I think, I think our founding fathers
were right, is to respect another person's view what the
true religion is and not to necessarily try to dissuade them.
So I'm less of an evangelist in terms of the
mission is not to persuade everybody to believe my religion
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or how I view it. It's important for me to
believe it, and I will be happy to share it,
but my mission is not out. My mission is to
accept the others. That's why I think our First Amendment advises,
which is the only way a society can really exist,
Because as soon as you start imposing this set of
beliefs have to be held by everyone, you're going down
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a dangerous path.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Then how do you bring it into school?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Well, you bring it in school in some ways to
be people don't want to do it. They have options
not to do it. In other words, we have a
prayer moment at the beginning of school. They don't have
to come into class until that's over. They don't have
to be forced to go through it.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
But yet it's permissible, or they could choose to meditate.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Whatever, but they're not obligated to participate. It's voluntary, okay, So,
but I don't think it should be prohibited from being
in the school. So our moral education ought to be
part of the experience. If you choose to opt out
of it, that's your choice. And I'm not it for
forcing any one to experience it. I think that's counterproductive.
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I don't think that works. And I am for doing
things that work, not things that don't work.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
But what about forcing the morality of do unto others? Well,
I think that should be enforced.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well there are now we're into what crime means and
what evil means. Yeah, okay, and so therefore, yes, even
for people who don't believe in God, as long as
they're a moral sense, which to me, you've accepted God,
you just haven't yet accepted that you've accepted God. Yes, yes,
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And you use you've accepted God yet you're just haven't
accepted that you've accepted I.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Accept that it's God, yes, But and nobody stopped me
from praying in school because.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
But you don't accept it, but you don't accept that
it's the Bible Okay, that's I think the Bible.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Are the best, but I don't believe that I have
to accept the Bible in order to go to heaven.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Well, okay, I'm not saying you do, but I am
saying that that codifies the more complete understanding, and there
are certain dimensions of it that you won't achieve. In
other words, that God sets the direction in your life,
that God has an awareness of who you are before
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you're born, that you know there are certain experiences that
you have been set up to experience by the nature
of your spiritual journey. Yeah, and Biblically, these things are
very clearly expressed, and they're very clearly articulated. And without them,
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some of the solace, some of the reassurement through difficult times,
some of the ability to deal with what life is
going to really be, are lacking. Without that dimension, much
more difficult, and probably not experience experiencing fully with that.
What those setbacks, difficulties, problems, miseries, et cetera. Were meant
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to teach you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
And I'm probably benefiting from the things that I studied
when I when I accepted religion more than I realized.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Probably, Yes, all right, well we're running. It's been a
delightful conversation and we'll do more. Well, thank you. Well,
I don't I don't plan. I don't plan to quit. Okay,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
I got your books when I heard that you refused
to plead guilty when our government was trying to put
you through the ringer, It's like, that's my kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Well, thank you. I appreciate that other doctor Jerome Corsi.
And then God always wins. God will win here too.
We've been interviewing Susan Olsen, who was Cindy on The
Brady Bunch and has matured into a beautiful, intelligent woman.
And thank you for joining us. Thank you God, bless
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Love to everyone.
Angel.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Of course, this after Drome COURSI and we've got a
really special guest with us today, Susan Olsen. How are you, Susan.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm fine. I'm really thrilled to be here. K Man
that saves my sanity.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Trane Covid Okay, well we'll talk about that. Susan is
known for being Cindy on The Brady Bunch, right, yes,
how old were you.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
When it started? I guess when we did the first episode,
I was seven, and by the time we did the
last episode, I was twelve. But the thing kept coming
back in different forms. It's like the show that Wouldn't Die.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I'm sure that Chris set up to play the theme,
which everybody knows. Good shirt, I'm sure you don't want
to hear it again. Everybody knows it though, right Chris,
I'm sure he's getting the queued up here, so we'll
probably hear the theme. Here we go, Brady Budge, there's
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the Brady.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Bunch, says a good version where we're.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You're not what we're not singing? No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Singing this I called the Peppermint Trolley.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You want to play it, Chris? If you could play it,
otherwise we can look at it. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
In color.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So this must have been later on, right.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, this is early. This is the first first season,
so this is nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Nineteen sixty eight. There we go, And.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's definitely the better version of the song. And my son,
who is a much better musician than it, says it's
in a different key, one.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
A different key.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah. Well we came in saying it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, we've all heard this, okay, Chris, that's probably enough.
We've got we got the image, we got it, so
it First of all, I got to ask you how
was it to do the show? What was it? What
was your experience doing the show?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It was great fun. I mean I wouldn't recommend it
for every kid. I think that we were all kind
of different and being professional children having a job at
young ages was normal for us. It was okay for us.
I do teach acting for children, and I'm I'm honest
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with parents and I'll say, you know, I don't I
don't think he'd really enjoy it, or say well you
know this way, hey, yeah, this one's got it. Unfortunately,
where I teach, the parents are not into exploiting their kids.
They're not, you know, they're not trying to make stars
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out of them. I teach mostly so that they will
have more confidence and be able to speak for themselves.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I'm sure it had to be quite an experience
to be thrown into a job and perform all the time.
I'm sure this was a constant thing, having to learn
lines and rehearse and do the shows.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, that's what I wanted. I wanted by the ripe
age of six. I wanted a steady job, and I
wanted to be on a series. I wanted to be
a series regular so I could do this every day.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Did you become Cindy?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, not at all. I hated Cindy. I didn't like
her very much. I thought she was really stupid and
she did awful things like tattle on people, which is
something I would never do. But you know, as a child,
I was very kind of offended by by the things
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Cindy would do while she was inhabiting my body on TV.
But I mean, yeah, that's just me being nitpicky and
being a child that has to go back to public
school and get teased for everything that Cindy does. You know,
it's bad enough I do something stupid, which happens frequently.
But but you know, to get teased for what Cindy
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did kind of unfair.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, and so you when did the show end for you?
When did you quit doing the show?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, it got canceled in it's like seventy two.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I think sixty eight, four years.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Sixty eight was when we did the pilot. Those the
footage that you saw, but it didn't air until sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, sixteen, it got canceled, Okay. Sixty eight, of course
was a critical year. It was a year the conventions
were going on in Chicago, We had riots, the Democratic
National Convention, the Vietnam War protests were going on. Lindon
Johnson had just said he would not run for reelection.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
We had the Brady family and the Manson family.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The Brady family and the Manson family, and the Manson
family was also there insanity of killing people out in California.
And those were the years that through seventy two. Seventy
two to seventy three would have been the first year
of the Nixon administration. And again the country was still
involved with Vietnam. The Vietnam protests were still going on.
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We had rather in Vietnam did he survive, Yes, And
was he wounded or injured?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No? No, he was in army intelligence, so he was
mostly interrogating prisoners and not seeing frontline battle. But he
was in the Tet offense.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Almost everybody was the Tet offensive. It was pretty much nationwide,
certainly all through South Vietnam. It must have been in
that period of time for you acting and the politics
going on and the show, which really was not part
political at all, So it had to be kind of
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a juxtaposition between the turmoil in the country and this
bubble that was the Brady Bunch.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah. But if you I think that the goal of
the show was to be written it was a family
show from the perspective of a child, the way a
child would want to see their family, and so it
was very idyllic, and it got more popular after its
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original run when it was in reruns. And I think
it's really a generation of watch Key kids that made
it huge because it was this dream family. It was
the ideal. You know, Cindy loses her a doll in
the whole family, it is just you know, going nuts
trying to find the doll. Dad's calling from work, Have
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you found the doll?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, I've gone through that. I've gone through that with
a daughter, and losing a doll or it could be
a really traumatic event for a family that is, well,
you're a.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Good dad, you know that.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I know that. I spent many times looking for It
is traumatic.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But so many kids are like, well nobody's around really care,
and so I mean there are countless people.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well for kids at that age, the doll is the
dolls alive. The dolls are real person, right, Yeah, yeah,
it's not you know, a doll, it's it's you've lost
a friend.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yes, and you've lost your security, yes, because I never
liked dolls, but I had stuffed animals.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, in fact, my daughter's my daughters was a stuffed
animal too, So it was not a doll, but it
was the same thing, right, And I understand.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
One at my TV dad's house. I left him behind.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We traveled internationally and lost this and we had to
go search all over for it. I mean, it was
if it didn't get packed. It was always on the
checklist to make sure we you know, we had the stuff,
figure that we had to be there. It had a name.
I can't even remember today what the name was, but
it was a particular. Everybody's looking for this named entity
(08:47):
that was, you know, and it was by the time
we found it was pretty ragged. I mean, this has
been through the wars. It was not a great shape
anymore after years and years and years. But the but
then okay, so then the politics shape. Yeah, well you
still have it. I'm not sure my daughter dies. So
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through the period of political turmoil, we had Nixon resigning,
and then we had Carter in and we had the
This was a very tumultuous time in American history when
we were coming out of the Martin Luther King with
his entire civil rights movement, and then we had John
Kennedy killed. We had Martin Luther King killed in nineteen
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sixty eight, I think it was in March, and Robert
Kennedy was killed that same year when he was running
for president. Probably would have been president.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I think.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So he was well on his way to being president.
He had just won the Oregon primary and won the
California primary, and he was headed to the convention in
Chicago when he got killed.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
He won California. Yeah, hotel guilty the next day.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Why did you feel guilty?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Because my mother and I were going to the polling place,
and I was chanting a vote for Kennedy's a vote
for a dope, which I'd made up myself. I thought
it was so clever. I just knew that my parents
were against They were very Republican, but looking back now,
they really were not socially conservative. It was more fiscally conservative.
(10:25):
And then when I found out, you know, I got
up the next morning, I want to know who won,
and Mom told me what happened. I was like, oh,
I feel so bad for chanting that, but you know,
as a child was five years old, Well, he's a Democrat.
And I didn't feel that way again until the most
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recent four or five years. I really wasn't that partisan.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, and you have become much more political.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm very political now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And in fact, what happened when they wanted to remake
The Rebooth the Brady Bunch, I'm sure that you were
approached to being the adult version of the of the show.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yes, we and we all were working on our characters,
and we had a great a great showrunner who's like
the head writer, and and he came up with a
character which is basically me, but an exaggerated version of me.
And so she's a libertarian. She does she has a
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podcast because in the previous incarnation of the show, I'd
been a radio DJ. It rescues animals, a little eccentric
and very very much against big pharma, and so it
was kind of like everything that I am, but a
little bit more so. And anyway, so, I mean, I
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wasn't supposed to be playing a woke person, and so
our political leanings came into the storyline, and Greg was
a Republican and one of the things in the treatment
was you would think that Cyndy and Greg would be
(12:18):
on the same page, but they're not. I thought, Okay,
that's really insightful. And so anyway, then you know, CBS
was ready to possibly green light it, and then they
heard that I had gotten in trouble for for an
incident which was called a homophobic incident. It was really
(12:45):
a fake story. It was a non story, but the
mainstream media likes those the best, and so they decided
to investigate me. Well, I had had a political show.
I expressed a lot of views, all of which they hated,
and they said, you know, they talked about putting it.
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There's a whole two hour interview with me with Brandon Straka,
who started the walk Away movement, and you know, it
was well, you know, maybe they talked about re education actually,
which was more about how would I speak of things
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that came up and anyway, you know, finally it was decided,
now she's just too far, she's she's too dangerous, she's
too political.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Hate speech, too much, hate speech right.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Exactly, And that's what they will say, even though, like
the initial incident, all of this really was triggered, like
I was doing political stuff, but it was really really
triggered when I endorsed stalind Trump, right, And I didn't
even need it all that earnestly. Back then. It was
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just I thought that Hillary was the most evil person
on the planet and anything would be better than her.
And it was my sister who said to me, she
was I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. I'm like, okay,
stay put, I'll be right over. I'll take you to
the er. How hard did you hit your And then
you know, I read his book Crippled America. I dang,
(14:24):
I agree with him. I agree with him a lot.
So I didn't think he'd win. But it was after
he won and everybody was all angry and so you know,
I think that was the root of my sins, and
I'll stand behind them.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, I've got a couple. I mean, you were clearly
fell victim to the far left nature of Hollywood media,
and that's still today an issue now. When you were
a child acting, how was pedophilia any part of your world?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, not at all, And I'm very proud to say that.
I think a lot of us had to do with
with Sherwood Schwartz wanting to make sure that everybody on
our set. Almost everybody had children, so from the electricians
and the grips and the directors, it was all family people.
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So it was a really healthy environment and they saw
to it that we were allowed to play.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I think it was probably way healthier than anything today,
simply because we didn't have the mass media then you
couldn't we didn't have social media, and so I mean,
people would come on our set and not want to leave.
We had a really happy set. However, I was very
aware that there was something wrong in Hollywood because I
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did go on other sets, I did do other jobs,
and there was just something in the air. And I've
been told that I had an ara about me of
don't touch and if anybody hugged me for a nanosecond
too long, I knew, and I'm shocked. I was very
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shocked as an adult. The social media there was a
former kid actors page and all these people I used
to see on auditions and and really stun to find
out how many of them had been molested. So, yeah,
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there was something afoot, but I was never touched by it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, you were fortunate, and you probably did broadcasts that
you were untouchable not to be best. Yeah, you probably did.
I felt like a.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Forty year old when I was eight. I was more
mature then than I am.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I learned to be a kid in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, well you kind of the Benjamin Button syndrome.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
If my skin would just do the.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Same, Okay, But you were aware of the pedophilia. You
were aware something was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's just aware that there was There's a certain desperation
to acting and that that exists, whether there's sexual deviation
or not. There there is this desperation about acting and
about being willing to do anything for the job, and
there's there's no separation. It's not like, I know, the
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music industry is just as evil, but I don't see
it as much because there's a product there. You have
the songs, you have with art, there's there's the paintings,
and with acting it's it's much more vulnerable, and there's
just this kind of i'll do anything for the job attitude,
which I really hated. And then something that as a child,
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you know, I wasn't sexually aware. I something smells wrong,
something's just not right about this right.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And as you got older, your politics got more conservative.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yet well no, I mean I got a little bit
more liberal, probably in my twenties and thirties.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Then was sort of in between it. Really I really
didn't get political. I have a great sense of justice,
and I think that's genetic DNA because I am the
seventh generation granddaughter of a woman who was hanged in Salem.
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So there's this thing about justice and about things being
fair and about things being honest or corrupt. But it
wasn't until my sister lent me a book by Bruce
Bauer called While Europe Slept. I read that. I love Bruce.
He's now a social media friend, and I decided to
(19:21):
study Islam because I wanted to defend it. And six
years later I said, well, I can't defend this. I
could defend Muslims and hope that somehow the religion's reform.
But anyway, I started out with counter jihat and then
realized that the people that were lying about this was
(19:44):
during Obama. So the people that were lying about Islam
and about terrorism were lying about everything else too, And
that was mostly the folks on the left. There were
things on the right that I didn't like, but you know,
it just it then became about fact in fiction, and
(20:08):
COVID really did a number on me because I grew
up thinking, well, you watch the news, they're all honest.
You know, that's Walter Cronkite and everybody's honest. And I
think it was like in the nineties that I heard
about the bombing of La Panca and learning that the
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that you know, the media will actually lie and anyway,
you know, I just I'm very intolerant of lying and
having the people be lied to, especially when I'm very
into what our founders and framers started with this country
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and adhering to it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well, and you said I played a role in the pandemic,
How did tell me about that? What kind of what.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I just? I knew this isn't smelling right again. You know,
something's not right here. And then you know, I started
to see people that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Like, doctor Zelenka, we're listening to my coursination at that time.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Then I started listening to you, and literally because at
the time I was living with my with family and
we had a person in their seventies, and you know,
it's like, you've got to be careful. You got to
put you know, everything that comes in the mail, you
got to put it out. So I did it, did it,
and I'm I'm like, aren't you seeing some inconsistencies here?
(21:41):
And you know, I have to play the game, you know,
because you got to get along with people. And I
couldn't wait for the evenings when I turn on your
podcast and i'd listened to you, I was like, yes, yes,
that's not adding up, that's not adding up.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Hydroxychlor quin seems to be working. And now anybody that
says that gets silenced. We're silencing people that's say the
truth is, this is like a communist nation. So I
started to feel like everything was very dangerous. My son
was living a little bit far away from me at
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the time, and I didn't get to see him for
three months, and I said, I am more concerned about
what the government's going to do than I am about
what this virus is going to do.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And did you get the hydroxy? We were at that
time doing.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It mostly I got it from my son. That was
my big deal. I set up a bug out bag
in my car in case the you know what hits
the fan, and I was just going to go get
my son and go to the woods. I had my
medical supplies. And then during during the whole thing, I
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have very close group of girlfriends and we were all
anti vacs, anti covid JAB, which was never a vaccine,
and but I wanted to set up By this time,
I had gotten my condo and I wanted to set
up like the hospital for any of my friends who
you know, got sick. So I was very into getting supplies.
(23:23):
Everything that that the silenced people said worked I got.
I found personally iver met and worked a lot better
than hydroxy chloroquine. But I already had I ver met
it because I rescue animals and we use I re
met it all the time for parasites.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, And when you when you yeah, you can get
bovine swine and eck wine, and they're real cheap. But
I did go ahead and get the humine the human
kind just in.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Case look good and your politics. And you must be
excited that Robert Kennedy Junior is now the head of
Health and Human Services.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I am. I am so excited. I was wearing my
Kennedy shirt that day when he got confirmed. And I
used to dislike him because, oh gosh, I don't know
how many years ago, but he referred to Kirk Builders,
who is now the PM of the Netherlands, as an
islama phobe. And to me, anybody that uses the term
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islama phobe is kind of a ninny. And so I
was sad Bobby doesn't know anything. And then I heard
him talking about that scenes and my son was diagnosed
with Asperger syndrome. He's on the spectrum very very mildly.
And it was through Bobby that I learned, you know,
because I was afraid to not vaccinate my kid, but
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he had been diagnosed, and I learned separate them. The
MMR vaccine seem to be the culprit. So you do
the munths vaccine, you wait thirty days. You do measles,
you wait thirty days Rebella, and so I did that
for all of the subsequent boosters. But I mean, there's
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they're getting tons of more vaccines.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Now, well, now my daughter would had just had a baby,
won't no vaccines?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, you know, I have a friend who just my coworker,
you just had a baby. I'm like, I'm not gonna
tell you what to do, but there are a couple
of them that you really should put your foot down on.
And you know the MMR separate them. It's just it's
too much. They could all be okay, but when you
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have them all at the same time, it's just so much.
And why the heck is a one day old getting
a vaccine for hepatitis B that you can only get
through sex or drug use.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It is it is ridiculous. I mean, it is ridiculous.
And Bobby Kennedy's I think, going to do a lot
to uh you know. He was also a very effective
lawyer when he was doing the environmental work.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, and I like that too, because when Trump says drill, baby, drill,
I get it economically, but I'm also I am a
tree hugger and I am an animal rescuer, So you know,
I want to make sure, he was saying, drill, baby, drill.
I'm like, okay, please confirm Bobby, because Bobby will go
maybe not here or maybe not this way, because Bobby's
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not falling for the climate control. No.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think the entire climate nonsense is now gone. I
think I think we I think what effectively, it's clear
that the DEI and the esg's and the gender dystopia,
these you know, insanities are now canceled. I think the
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very people are sick of them.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're they're showing, but they're just you know,
it's tools. And a lot of people say, well, this
is socialism trying to take over it. I think it
was more it's nihilism.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, it's it negates value. It is, Yes, it is
essentially atheistic and no value. The values are whatever values
you want to have, and those are no values.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, and didn't you know, And it's it's really a
tragedy that this is all pinned on the left because
this is not what the left was about, because didn't
they didn't they want to go with nature and everything
natural and be this is so anti nature. It's being
spearheaded by people that want to destroy me.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know, the Martin constantly point out, Martin Luther King
was about equal opportunity, and he said, if you give
us opportunity, we'll show you what we can do. Yes,
we can compete with anybody. And that meant families, that
meant raising children with education, it meant values, and his
whole movement. Martin Luther King was a Republican. He was
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not a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yes, he was a Republican. And and today it is
not about that. It's about it's not equality, it's equity.
In other words, there have to be so many of
this race, and so many of that race, and so
many of this gender, and so many of this and that,
and that's more important than whether you're competent to do
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the job. Well, that's how what Martin Luther King wanted.
He would have been opposed to that, completely opposed to that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It's an insult.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And also it's also discriminatory against anyone who is not
in the favored races.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yes, and creates more racism. But see, these these horrible
people knew that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm certain that it was designed. It was designed to destroy.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yes, yes, and so now when you get on a
plane and you see that your your pilot is a
black woman. You wouldn't have had a problem with that before.
You're not a racist, but now you have to go
issue there because of DEI.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Well, I think that's what we're finding increasingly. I mean,
the these air accidents that we've had have clearly reflected
DEI preferential hiring. And I think we're.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Seeing flying gonna have to fly a bit.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well. I think I think that the by and large,
I think flying is yet safe, but it is not
as safe with DEI and Trump will, I think, eliminate
these things and has begun to do it with executive orders.
The problem with executive orders is they can be reversed
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by the next president. They can all be changed back,
and so therefore it's just the beginning of a reset
back to traditional values. But it's got to begin somewhere.
And Trump's first first, you know, month has been I
think the most dynamic month, the most change oriented month
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in a positive sense, that the nation has ever experienced.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's it's amazing, really, It's like waking up to Christmas
every morning.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, and I think the country is lifted by it.
I think the country too.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I do too, although I'm here in Lama Land, where
people are very upset over it. It's like, don't don't
expose the people that are stealing.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
From me, right, I mean, you know, it's insane because
the Democrats, you know, have now become the party of abortion,
the party of euthanasia, the party of sex change, the
party of discrimination against white race, party of you know,
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government spending flight in the country with illegal immigrants, including criminals.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I mean we preferring criminals too.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah. Well, we've been running.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Ill aliens I used to work with.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We've literally we've been running videos and for New York
subways which have been taken over by the gangs and
the police in the military down there. The subways don't
why bother arresting these people because a lot of this
has been decriminalized. So therefore, even if they rob people,
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you know, the robbers and gang down there don't even
wear masks anymore because they know that nothing's going to
happen to them. Yeah, the judges are going to let
them write out.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
At least we got rid of something here in la
It was it was okay to shoplift up to nine
up to one thousand dollars ninety nine or something, right,
and you could come back every day.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well, no business can stay open with that. And that's
of course not that's where you have the point.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
So that's what I try to tell my lefty friends.
I'm like, look, you know, it's not like Biden and
Harris what I went out and I forgot to close
the border. Oh silly. Not an accident, No deliberate.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's deliberate, and it's evil because as we've been exposing,
even the Catholic churches involved and making deals with McCarrick,
who was a pedophile and homosexual cardinal, and making deals
with Honduras and the Pope, making deals with Biden and
with Obama when he was president and president of Honduras,
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who was part of the drug cartels and also was
part of the child sex trade, and we, amazing we
gave them money under the Alliance for Progress and got
involved in their activities. So the church became complicit in
these sex crimes, which are the most horrendous sex crimes
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against children who are taken away from their parents and
exposed to a brutal world that they don't understand what
desperation these children must feel, abandonment, confused, abused.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
We're going to need a lot of loving and carrying
people to adopt these kids and to counsel these kids.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Some of it may be permanent damage. I think, so, yeah,
that is not really entirely recoverable. In other words, that
these are lifelong injuries psychologically.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I agree. And it's it's it's it's so intentional.
I saw just having a kid on the spectrum looking
at just and and this is really mild. But like
CPS being aware that they spent more time harassing single
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white mothers, and yeah, child Protective Services, that there was
something fell going on there, that there are times when
when they might try to prove that your child needs
certain services more than they really do.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And take your children away from it, take your children
away from you.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Well that that's the ultimate. Yeah, But even just getting
a court to order services so that they can get
the money for those services. It doesn't matter if you're
a parent that says that's actually harming my child. That
didn't personally happen to me, but I saw it happening.
I saw that in other parts of the country, certain
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children were being placed in the system so that they
could eventually be put up for adoption. So I don't know,
you know, I used as a child. I like to
think that I could trust the authorities.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
But well, the two things I think are so tremendously disturbing.
Is abortion a life to this.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Helpless sorry' well that's within a certain amount of time.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Well, it's still a life. Mm hmm, it's still life.
And it's still a life that has no choice and
it's helpless. It's that's extinguished.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, I can't argue that, but I think that the
life of the mother is more important.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, it may not, it may not affect the life
of the mother and mother.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Just that's a little different.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
It may be inconvenient.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, But on the other hand, forcing somebody to have
children when they don't want to have children is not
such a great idea either. But you have to have
a limit. You have to legally, no matter how you
feel about it, morally, you have to. There has to
be a point where the unborn have rights. There has
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to be.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Well, my point is, if you don't want children, if
you're going to abort them, don't take steps so you
don't have children.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, and today it's so easy to get birth control.
They're really you know, i'd have to say, there really
isn't much excuse. But you know, I know people who
had the condom break that got knocked up their first time.
So I don't know. I'm still I'm still pro choice,
but I do understand and appreciate what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, I still think there's alternatives. If you really don't
want children, there are alternatives, and you can responsibly take them.
But to bring a life into the world and then
to extinguish it is to me unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, especially since it is so darned easy and.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So vulnerable and that life has no choice. Yeah, and
you've got it's irresponsible.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yes, it is very Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That these are things that I think our offenses against
God and offenses against God's God creates life, and once
that life is created, we have to nourish it. It's
our responsibility that That's how I see. It's our responsibility
to nourish that life that God bestowed it. We did not,
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And so that and I think taking God out of
the schools and taking God out of the communities.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
In the schools because you open that up. I think
the safest way to have God in schools is to
have nature in schools, because that is God's miracle.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Nature is a surrogate for God in this country.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
The proof of God.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Well, yes, but it is a distinction that nature is
not God's, it's an artifact of God. But the point
is this country was founded on Judeo Christian principles, and
it was founded on principles where God was part of
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the society. In other words, it was a moral society
and which had followed rules which were biblically ordained. So
there are values in that Bible that are part of
what the teaching is. Okay, and so those who don't
want to participate in it might opt out. But to
forbid it to be into the schools is to secularize
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the schools to a point where it does damage to
those who go through it. The ultimate my view them
and I think traditional morality, the responsibility of parents is
to raise a child and the state in a moral education.
Now there's a certain set of values that aren't arbitrary,
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and those values are ordained in the principles biblically. That
become a view of God. Now again, if people want
to practice a separate religion, or people want to have
their own religious time, these can be accommodated But to
abolish God from the schools means that the schools are
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secularized and the values that are internalized are absent of
a concept of God and our founding fathers. I think
correctly that absent a concept of God, a human being
is not fully developed, not fully formed, and potentially vulnerable,
potentially vulnerable to doing great harm because again the values
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are not rooted in consequences.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, and a conscience developing a conscience. Now, I personally
i'd rather see that take place in the home. Have
you ever heard the Mikayla School in England. Oh, check
it out. The head mistress they teach they don't get
religious because they have a lot of Muslim students too.
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And if they bring you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Well I think these are these are this is a
problem and I think, well, it's a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
But not at her school. Well, they're teaching conscience well,
treating everybody. Boy.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yes, that's that's the beginning of communism. That's the beginning
of a movement and towards not really having a God.
That God is not central, it's it's the formation of
a moral consciousness is centered on a set of values
which I believe are inherently spiritual because they presume that
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there's a reason to creation, there's reason to life, and
it has consequences in an afterlife. This is not an
arbitrary experience, not accidental or spiritual beings to begin with,
and spiritual beings in a context that is, you know,
forbidden to be spiritual is to educate half or a
partial person. Actually it's educate a misformed person. To my view,
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the person needs to have a religious orientation, and I
find that people who don't have it are fundamentally different
in terms of their outlook and things and how they
see life and do and value moral judgments, so that
you internalize a set of values, for instance, it can
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take any one of the issues. But truth telling, well,
we tell the truth because we understand biblically that not
telling the truth doesn't work. It's complicated. It's hard to
maintain a lie.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
We don't need the Bible to see that.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
No, you don't need to.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
See that spirit. The more you're going to see.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
You can see that. But then not to go to
the full step and understand that's God is yet a holdback.
So you can say someone has been through education, they've
gotten three quarters of the education. They know most of
what's required, but they only know three quarters of it.
They didn't get that the extra dimension, which allows you
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to truly perceive everything spiritually. There is a fundamental different
people who believe in God.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
You're saying, I just I don't agree. Well, I had
the final step and I pulled back from it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Well, we are probably going to disagree on religion. That
what does need God be? Well, okay, and I know.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's a hard one. But I believe immensely in God.
I believe that the reason why I can see certain
things is because God's like, look over there. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't feel that it'll be another step for you.
I'll be interested in talking to you in ten years.
Be an interesting step for you.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
To mind me ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Well, well, you're, as I say, you're probably growing in reverse.
I guess aging in reverse from everything I can determine.
Your ideas ten years ago might have been better than
your ideas today. Well, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
But I mean ten years I'll go back to them.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Maybe, yeah. But the point, Yeah, the point is it
it's like being colorblind. You can still understand that there
are colors because there's going to be shades of gray,
and you can understand that those are related to different colors.
But until you see the colors, you haven't experienced the
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full nature of a visual reality. And it's the same
of when you look at people who do believe in God,
certain changes occur in their personality where they're able to
they're able to accept things. You know. For instance, one
of the one of the points I always like to
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emphasize is that you know the experience of death or
the experience of you know, death approaching where you know
it's likely an inevitable reality. Now to someone who truly
believes in God has a way to accept it. More
so the you know, the you can see in religious
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societies that the priests or the clergy, whomever they are,
enter people's lives at critical points, you know, at birth,
you know, at marriage, at death, and any crises that occur, illnesses, setbacks,
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losing children. These things are for someone who believes in
God generically are harder to accept than someone who believes.
You know, with a religious view, and in my view,
only the Biblical view is complete. I don't see the
Islamic religion is complete. I think it needs reformation. Well,
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I mean, well, I would tend to agree in the sense.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That you know, that's dangerous words though, but.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, it has it needs reformation. I mean, I think
Christianity today is very different than Christianity was during the
Inquisition or the Crusades or the Dark Ages. You said,
you know you have a ancestor that was hung in Salem. Yeah,
well that these were these were aberrations, These were these
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were these were a church that needs a reformation.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
So I don't really believe that the Cotton Mather or
any of those people truly believed that any of them
were witches. I think it was a matter of trying
to get their.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Property well and essentially, and or they didn't like them,
or there was a grudge or there was some issue.
But again, these are I think every religion has to
go through a reformation, has to decide that even if
they believe that this religion is the only true religion,
it's not a reason to go to war with the
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next religion. And I think that our founding fathers had
a brilliance in saying religious freedom only means not an
established church. We're not going to tell people what they
have to believe. Okay, because again, as soon as you
do that, you cross the line. Yeah, even if you
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think your religion is the only true religion, you still
have an obligation I think, I think our founding fathers
were right, is to respect another person's view what the
true religion is and not to necessarily try to dissuade them.
So I'm less of an evangelist in terms of the
mission is not to persuade everybody to believe my religion
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or how I view it. It's important for me to
believe it, and I will be happy to share it,
but my mission is not out. My mission is to
accept the others. That's why I think our First Amendment advises,
which is the only way a society can really exist,
Because as soon as you start imposing this set of
beliefs have to be held by everyone, you're going down
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a dangerous path.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Then how do you bring it into school?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Well, you bring it in school in some ways to
be people don't want to do it. They have options
not to do it. In other words, we have a
prayer moment at the beginning of school. They don't have
to come into class until that's over. They don't have
to be forced to go through it.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
But yet it's permissible, or they could choose to meditate.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Whatever, but they're not obligated to participate. It's voluntary, okay, So,
but I don't think it should be prohibited from being
in the school. So our moral education ought to be
part of the experience. If you choose to opt out
of it, that's your choice. And I'm not it for
forcing any one to experience it. I think that's counterproductive.
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I don't think that works. And I am for doing
things that work, not things that don't work.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
But what about forcing the morality of do unto others? Well,
I think that should be enforced.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well there are now we're into what crime means and
what evil means. Yeah, okay, and so therefore, yes, even
for people who don't believe in God, as long as
they're a moral sense, which to me, you've accepted God,
you just haven't yet accepted that you've accepted God. Yes, yes,
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And you use you've accepted God yet you're just haven't
accepted that you've accepted I.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Accept that it's God, yes, But and nobody stopped me
from praying in school because.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
But you don't accept it, but you don't accept that
it's the Bible Okay, that's I think the Bible.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Are the best, but I don't believe that I have
to accept the Bible in order to go to heaven.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Well, okay, I'm not saying you do, but I am
saying that that codifies the more complete understanding, and there
are certain dimensions of it that you won't achieve. In
other words, that God sets the direction in your life,
that God has an awareness of who you are before
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you're born, that you know there are certain experiences that
you have been set up to experience by the nature
of your spiritual journey. Yeah, and Biblically, these things are
very clearly expressed, and they're very clearly articulated. And without them,
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some of the solace, some of the reassurement through difficult times,
some of the ability to deal with what life is
going to really be, are lacking. Without that dimension, much
more difficult, and probably not experience experiencing fully with that.
What those setbacks, difficulties, problems, miseries, et cetera. Were meant
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to teach you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
And I'm probably benefiting from the things that I studied
when I when I accepted religion more than I realized.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Probably, Yes, all right, well we're running. It's been a
delightful conversation and we'll do more. Well, thank you. Well,
I don't I don't plan. I don't plan to quit. Okay,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
I got your books when I heard that you refused
to plead guilty when our government was trying to put
you through the ringer, It's like, that's my kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Well, thank you. I appreciate that other doctor Jerome Corsi.
And then God always wins. God will win here too.
We've been interviewing Susan Olsen, who was Cindy on The
Brady Bunch and has matured into a beautiful, intelligent woman.
And thank you for joining us. Thank you God, bless
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Love to everyone.
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