The Doctor Who Tried to Save JFK: Dr. Malcolm Perry’s Untold Story with Dr. Juliette Engel

On this episode of Corsi Nation, Dr. Jerome Corsi and special guest Dr. Juliette Engel explore the hidden truths behind the JFK assassination through the eyes of Dr. Malcolm Perry, the surgeon who tried to save President Kennedy’s life in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
🩺 Dr. Malcolm Perry’s Attempt to Save JFK — Perry performed a tracheotomy on President Kennedy, giving him a firsthand view of the President’s wounds. What did he really see that day?
🕵️ Deep State Cover-Up — As more evidence emerged, it became clear the assassination was orchestrated by a Deep State network determined to control the narrative.
📜 Altered Records & Suppressed Truth — Dr. Engel and Dr. Corsi discuss medical record alterations, government manipulation, and silenced witnesses.
❓ Unanswered Questions — Was Dr. Perry threatened into silence? Was his family pressured? Why did so many first-hand medical witnesses avoid challenging the official story?
Dr. Engel, who personally knew and worked with Dr. Perry, shares her conversations with him about that day — what he saw, what he said privately, and what he never revealed publicly.
👉 This deep dive uncovers new angles on the JFK assassination cover-up that continue to raise questions 60 years later.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
More angel of course information.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Our guest today is doctor Juliette Engel, MD, and doctor
Engel has got a couple of really important stories. We're
going to start by focusing on the assassination of John
Kennedy and what knowledge she has that adds to the
book I've written, which is the Final Analysis. And here
you can see with David Mantick. David Mantick has done

(00:27):
the X ray examination of the Kennedy skull X rays
from the autopsy. There's three of them in the archives
and he's seen them more than anyone else. He's a
radiation oncologist with the PhD in physics, and he has
shown that the three X rays are all forged to
mask evidence of frontal shots. And there were two shots

(00:50):
to the front that hit Jack Kennedy. One was in
the temporal bone by the right ear that blew out
the occipital bone on the back of Jack Kennedy's head.
Another was a bullet that hit him in the forehead
above the right eye at the hairline and left a
bullet trail that you can see going across the top
of the skull with the largest fragment in the back.

(01:14):
And the shots not exiting the skull, which is clear
evidence of a frontal shot. This is forensic evidence. It's
no longer speculation. It's clear proof, and I think indisputable
proof that Jack Kennedy was shot twice from the front. Now,
doctor Engel has a personal experience, we're going to go

(01:34):
through and relate. But the surgeon. When Jack Kennedy got
shot November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, the cigarette service
immediately brought the limousine to Parkland Hospital, which was on
the Stemens Freeway on the route that Kennedy was going
to go to speak at the Dallas Trademark. Of course,
he never got there. He was shot and killed. At

(01:56):
the Parkland Hospital. They brought Jack Kennedy in mortally wounded
to Trauma Room one, and the surgeons at Parkland Hospital,
still in the Trauma Room one, the emergency room, did
their best to try to save Jack Kennedy's life. They
pretty well knew it was hopeless when they took a
look and saw the severity of the wounds, and we'll

(02:17):
discuss that. But nevertheless, they as physicians, they had a responsibility,
especially with the President of the United States. They did
not want it to be thought that they didn't do
everything possible to try to save the president's life. So
the very first things that happened was doctor Malcolm Perry,

(02:37):
one of the surgeons at Parkland, got to the trauma room,
one among the first physicians to arrive, and he saw
a puncture wounded Jack Kennedy's throat which came in through
the windshield in the front of the limousine. It was
a frontal shot and it had like a small pencil
mark puncture hole going into the throat. So Malcolm Perry

(03:02):
I began a tricheotomy, which is a way to get
ventilation in the lungs to try to get the person breathing.
That's doctor Malcolm Perry, and that's normal procedure, normal operating room,
emergency room procedure, and it was completely the right thing
to do. And doctor Engel had subsequent experience with doctor

(03:25):
Perry on doctor Anton, why don't you pick it up
from there and tell us how you came to be
associated with doctor Perry.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Sure in nineteen seventy four, I was twenty five years
old starting my internship at the University of Washington in
Seattle and started I started on the er rotation that
was my first rotation, and that was the week that

(03:53):
the Parkland surgeons, so the entire first I should say
that when Kennedy was taken to Parkland Hospital, the Parkland
surgical team was the number one trauma team in the world.
I mean, these were the best of the best, and
they're the ones that came immediately to the er and
tried to resuscitate Kennedy until they were pushed out by

(04:17):
people that they didn't even know who they were. But
the pressure on that surgical team, and particularly on doctor
Malcolm Perry, who initially reported that he did the trake
through a bullet hole, was so great that the entire
surgical department had to leave Texas. I mean this is
like fifteen top trauma surgeons left, moved their families, moved everything,

(04:41):
and came to the University of Washington. So the day
that they arrived, I was the surgical intern in the
University Hospital emergency room and I met doctor Perry, and
I was so stunned at meeting him. He was such
a giant in my world that I dropped the glass

(05:02):
of diet coke right on his shoes. You never forgot that.
He was very nice about it, but I've died of
guilt ever since.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'm sure it endeared you to mean.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
By I'm your surgical assistant. I can't even hop onto
a glass of coke. But it wasn't long before I
had my first huge trauma case in the middle of
the night.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Let's break for Let's break for a second and fill
in some more backstory here that so everybody can follow
this and know the significance of what you are going
to testify to. You grew up, Where did you? You
grow up a lot of different places, and you have
another story that we're going to get to. But when
did you begin your medical studies and where did you

(05:52):
begin them?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
After I left, I grew up in an MK ULTRA program,
and after I escaped and left that, I went to
the University of Washington, where I worked my way through
university and then got into the University of Washington Medical School.
So I went to medical school there in Seattle, did
an internship there, and my first internship rotation was University

(06:14):
Hospital when the surgeons arrived from Parkland. And what year
was that, nineteen seventy four and seventy four?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, Now, the MK Ultra story that you experience and
escape from is another really important part of your story.
Now we may not cover that entirely in this broadcast,
but we will cover it much more thoroughly in a
second one. And you have written a book which is
called Sparky Surviving Sex Magic, and I'm going to recommend

(06:46):
that everybody get this book. I think it's a compelling read,
and we will cover it in detail in a subsequent podcast.
If we just touch on it here, it'll just be
brief because we want to cover extensively the JFK story.
So doctor Engel's got two stories that are important to
us more than that. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean,

(07:09):
there's Russia. Well, there's Russia too, I've get it. That's
your second book in Russia's I'll have to read that
one next and then we'll probably do more interviewing. But
you've had a very interesting life and your third book
on Moscow traffic, your second book, Angels over Moscow? Is
that your second or third book?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Second book is Angels over Moscow.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
And Moscow And briefly, what was that experience all about?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, as I finished my training at the University of
Washington and radiology, practiced for close to twenty years in
Seattle and then was invited to go to Russia to
help reform maternal infant healthcare. Discovered the high number of
children being abandoned and trafficked into rings where they were

(07:56):
taken abroad and used for sex and prostitution. Did a
lot of work too change that created an underground railroad
that ran for fifteen years, rescuing kids from one hundred
and twenty different countries, and called the Angel Coalition. So
the Angels are the Angel Coalition, and that describes my

(08:17):
work in Russia.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Okay, we will cover that one as well, very thoroughly.
Now let's set up the story here. So Jenck Kennedy
is shot and he's brought to Parkland Hospital and again
the the's in trauma room one. Doctors are rushing in here,
and the is Doctor Engel said that this is a
top this is not a slouch emergency room. These guys

(08:44):
are top emergency room doctors. Now, why, well, this is
nineteen sixty three and Dallas is still pretty much the
wild West. I mean, it's not entirely the wild West
as it was in the eighteen hundreds, but there's a
lot of people shot by gunshot. A lot of accidents,
traffic accidents and everything you can imagine. But I would

(09:04):
say the shot by gunshot wounds are probably at a
statistical high at that time for Dallas. So these were
positions that were used to seeing people in fights getting
gunshot and they was not exceptional for them to know
how to deal with gunshot wounds, which also meant they
had to learn pretty quickly to recognize what was an

(09:29):
entrance room, what was an exit wound. And doctor Uncle,
you have the emergency room experience, you must have done
the same. And so what's the when you're in an
emergency room and you've got a patient, what's the first
things you're thinking about?

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Well, you think about are they breathing? Can they breathe?
Are they bleeding? Are they are they injured? Well, it's
mostly breathing and bleeding at the first go as I'm wooden.
Doctor Perry, Well, for one thing, it's not one doctor
that comes in when the surgical trauma team comes in,

(10:03):
there's probably eight doctors. Each of them goes to their
particular area. And doctor Perry was the premiere tracheotomy surgeon
in the world. I mean he taught everyone else how
to do it, including me, and so he would go
right to the throat, see that that the Kennedy wasn't breathing,

(10:24):
and he would go right for the trake. And so
there was a lot of confusion, but a lot of
people and there was no it took. It takes. First.
You stabilize the patient. You make sure they're breathing. They're
breathing and they're not bleeding out. So you get a
line in, you do a trick if you need, and
you get oxygen.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You got to make sure they stake alive.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, that's how that's how you do it.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, and the second thing got to do Forgure, I
would think is how badly is this person injured? What's
the problem.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Once you've got them stabilized, then you start the process.
All this happens very fast. I mean, this is less
than a minute before you've got a line in, a
trake in and they're on a ventilator if they need to.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because the person could die in twenty seconds, and you know,
you don't know if you've kind of do everything you
can immediately to stabilize the person, make sure they're breathing
and they're not bleeding out.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
So so I recall they had people putting lines in his legs,
lines in his arms, so clavian lines. So he was
being worked on by multiple.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Being worked on by multiple people at once. Okay, and
what they and also one of the other important players
in this is nurse Audrey Bell. Now she comes into
the trauma room one as Kennedy's begun to be worked on,
and what she is finding is that her she's the one,

(11:47):
she's a nurse responsible for setting up an operating room. Now,
should they be successful in saving this person's life in
the trauma room, and there's significant injuries that have to
be dealt with immediately, the next place that that patient's
going is to the operating room because it may be
life threatening to operate. So, for instance, we had a

(12:08):
gunshot wound, and the person survives the gunshot wound, but
now you've got a bullet that's penetrated vital organs or
it's close to the heart or could be life threatening.
The first thing you want to do is get in
there and try to get the bullets out, try to
do the damage. Is that was that correct, doctor Engel?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yes? Right, First, just the first thing you do is
stabilize the patient oxygen and get their blood volume stabilized.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, and then get them to figure out if you've
got them stabilized enough to go in the operating room,
do they need to be operated on? And what end
is they operated on?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
And they didn't have ct MRI at that time, so
everything was done with with fluoroscopy, so it was not
as efficient.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, they're not doing any MRI. They're not getting a
precise reading of what's inside the person.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
No, they didn't have ultrasound either.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
There was no there was no ability to really know
what's going on inside the patient except for intuition. Now,
when Nurse Bell comes in, her first thing is, okay,
what do I have to do? So her testimony was,
when I took a first look, I could recognize the president,
but I didn't see an injury because there was no

(13:20):
injury around his face, she explained. So I asked where's
the injury? And doctor Perry was doing the tracheato moobe
standing there. He simply reached up on the President's head
and he pulled it up and turned it to the
left a little bit, and she said there was a
gaping hole. That's where the brains and fluids were dripping
out it. The wound in the back of JFK's head

(13:42):
could have been three or four inches in diameter. That's
what I saw, Okay. Now, when you see a wound
like that, the first thing you know is that that's an exit.
When it's a massive avulsive what they call it a
vulsive exit room, which means that the blownout's back of
the head is from a frontal shot. Second, is this
person's not going to survive. You're not going to replace

(14:05):
that much brain damage, and it's a matter of time
until they die. If you can stabilize them and even
keep them alive for any period of time, they're probably
going to be a vegetable. And with that much of
the of the back of the head gone blown away.
Nurse Bell is not not in the rush to go
get the operating room prepared. She probably went and did it,

(14:25):
but it was not like she knew it was going
to be a need for an operation. Now. Some of
the other testimony, Doctor mccollin, who was there, another one
of the top surgeons part of the trauma team, gave
his testimony. He said, as I took a position at
the head of the table, this trauma room one is

(14:47):
not very big it's got its very tight space and
they're all crowded in here. So he took his pa
at the head of the table to help out with
the tracheotomy. I was in such a position that I
could very close examined the head wound, and I noticed
that the right posterior of the skull, I'm going to
show you where that is. Right posterior is the back

(15:07):
the occipital range. Okay, I know the right posterior had
been extremely blasted. It had been chattered, apparently by the
force of the shot, so that the parietal bone that's
the bone on the top of your head, was protruded
up through the scalp and seem to be fractured almost
along its right posterior half. In other words, the fractures

(15:29):
were all on the right side of the head, and
they're noticing that right away as well as some of
the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral half. So
again they're seeing that the trauma is to the right
side of the head. These fatal shots are coming from
the right side of the head, which again largely is

(15:49):
going to associate with the grassy knoll in front of Kennedy.
But the point is that they're not thinking about that
at that moment. So I said it, and what this?
It sprung open the bones, these fractures of the eccipital
bone in such a way could actually look down into
the skull cavity itself and seeither the third or least

(16:10):
of the brain tissue, the posterior cerebral tissue. The cerebral
tissue is just the tissue on top of the head
and some of the cerebellar tissue. Ceahbell is an organ
at the back of the head a different color, and
you can recognize it easily when you're looking at the
brain had been blasted out. There was a huge amount

(16:32):
of bleeding which was occurring, mainly from the large venuous
channels in the skull which have been blasted open. Those
are blood vessels in the skull which have been blasted open.
Now a third doctor, doctor Crenshaw, gave maybe the best
description of the wound. And remember these are recollections from
the first seconds. These doctors are immediately saying, what am

(16:56):
I dealing with here? You got to assess it quickly,
they said. I walked to the President's had to get
a closer look his entire right cerebral hemisphere appeared to
be gone, looked like a cratered, empty crater. All I
could see there was mangled, bloody tissue. For the damage
I saw there, there was no doubt in my mind
that the bullet had entered its head through the front

(17:17):
and as it surgically passed through the cranium, the missile
obliterated part of the temporal appear by the ear and
all of the parietal and occipital lobes before it lacerated
the cerebellum at the back of the head. The wound
resembled a deep furrow and a freshly plowed field. Several

(17:39):
years later, when I viewed slow motion films of the
bullets striking the President, the physics of the head being
thrown back provided final and complete confirmation of a frontal
entry by a bullet to the cranium. Now, doctor Angel,
that's pretty clear evidence that the shot that killed Kennedy,
the shot from the Emperor Boone through the back of

(18:01):
the head, was a frontal shot that didn't massive damage
to the we had on the right hemisphere. The left
hemisphere they weren't noticing any real damage to but the
doctors must have concluded just looking at this that this
guy isn't gonna make it. It would be obvious to well,

(18:21):
you saw that kind of damage on a patient, what
were you first thought.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't think anybody but the president would have gotten
that much resuscitation that had stopped. Yeah, it would have
stopped before it started. But this was the president, and.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
So therefore, because it was the president, you you couldn't
be accused of not having done everything you could possibly do.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
That right that you're adrenaline's high and you're going in
there to save him, and of course you would do everything.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, the finally they were actually the doctors actually got
to the point where they were trying to massage Kennedy's
heart to try to get him a heartbeat, and one
of the doctors finally said, stop it. You know, his
brains are his brains are all on the they're blown out,

(19:18):
the back of the cerebellum is dangling from the back
of his head. The massive damage here, he's not gonna survive.
So therefore we're wasting our time here. Our job is done.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
So who declared him dead? I mean that they had
to have someone. It's sort of at the top of
the chain to declared him dead.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I do write about that. Let me find if I
can find the passage. Finally, one of the doctors did
declare that this is done, and we're calling us to
an end, and let me find if I can see
quickly in the book who that doctor was. But there
was a particular doctor who was in charge of that
decision and made it.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Because in an er situation, the intern can declare someone dead.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
But that situation, it would take someone much more senior
to actually be willing to do it. And okay, these
are all discussions here. I'm just looking through the book
and I'll find this in a minute. Here. It just
takes a little bit of time to the discussion in
the book was so detailed that sometimes I myself forget

(20:31):
where I put things. But I'll find it here, hopefully
in a minute. Okay, now, let's just do a couple
more things before we get to that, and hopefully I'll
come across it as I'm paging through the book and
get back to that point. But the doctors when they
do declare that Jack Kennedy is dead and there's nothing

(20:55):
more that can be done to save him. Oh, by
the way, they brought in a defibrillator. They were doing
everything they could. They're bringing all the equipment they could
figure out. They're trying to do something here. They were
in panic mode and they were trying to massively save
his life. So Kennedy was logged into Parkland as patient

(21:17):
number two four seven four zero twelve thirty eight Central
Standard time, and Kemp Clark was the one who pronounced
JFK dead at one PM. And Clark wrote, when I
saw the severity of the head wound, I thought everything
we had done for him those twenty minutes was a
complete waste of time. It was a four plus injury,

(21:41):
which no one survives. And Clark said, my god, the
whole right side of his head is shot off. We've
got nothing to work with. So essentially, you know, you
see Kennedy with this horrendous wound. And there's a couple
of other statements here that are interesting in that regard.

(22:05):
Crenshaw defended the position he said. Doctor Grenshaw said, usually
trauma victims are stripped of all clothing so that an
injury will not be overlooked. No one attempted to remove
the president's briefs. I think it was out of respect
for the man. The dignity of the position he held,
the principles for which he stood that we subconsciously did

(22:27):
not want to see him lying there naked. In addition
with a horrendous head wounded suffered, we weren't concerned with
the lower part of his body. We could have stabilized him.
There would have plenty time to look for additional injuries.
Now why this is of substance is because when the
doctors declared it was done, the trauma doctors were finished

(22:48):
with their job, and they are now going to leave
the trauma room because there's nothing further for them to
do that. Now others take over, the nurses take over.
They've got a body. They're going to have to deal
with the body. But even more importantly, what happens next

(23:11):
is that the pathologist at Parkland Hospital, doctor Earl Rose,
shows up with the Justice of the Peace, and he
says this was a local murder. There's no federal crime
to kill the president, and so therefore we're doing the autopsy.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
On his book Conspiracy nineteen eighty, Anthony Summers wrote at
the hospital, as a secret service team prepared to take
the body to Washington, doctor Earle Rose, the Dallas County
medical examiner back by a Justice of the Peace barred
their way. They wouldn't let them take They wouldn't let
the Secret Service take the body out of the trauma room.

(23:52):
The doctor said that under Texas law, the body of
a murder victim may not be removed until an autopsy
had been performed, and the justice the piece, Judge Ward declared,
it's just another homicide as far as I'm concerned. Okay,
But the Summers and his Report on Conspiracy nineteen eighty
book quite good book said the Secret Service agents put

(24:14):
the doctor and the judge up against the wall at
gunpoint and swept out of the hospital with the president's body.
They were wrong in laws. With the hindsight, they denied
their president an efficient autopsy. So Secret Service, which by
the way, knew Kennedy was shot from the front because
Secret Service Clint Hill was when the shooting started, was

(24:37):
on the follow up Secret Service car. He got off
the running board, he ran up, managed to get him
a hold on the left hand rail the back of
the limousine and he climbed onto the footboard there and
got onto the car. And when Jack Kennedy was shot
from the grassy Knoll with the shot that hit his
at the temporal bowl, and we could see this in

(25:00):
the X rays. There's a keyhole fracture. So you get
an oblique wound to the side of the head and
it causes a keyhole fracture. It's not a puncture mark
because it's entering of the side and it enters with
a round hole, but it's breaking about the bones in
front of it looks like a keyhole and that's a
sign of an oblique shot which does massive damage and

(25:22):
cause the blowout. So that had to be a high
powered shot that hit Kennedy and it came from the
front and Clint Hill got splattered on the left of
the limousine with Jack Kennedy's brain matter and the motorcycle
inboard motorcycle officer also got spattered with the bone matter.
A piece of Jack Kennedy's occipital bone flew off onto

(25:46):
the grass to the left of the limousine. It's called
the Harper fragment. It was subsequently found by a medical
student like the next day and identified at the time
as occipital bone part of the back of the head
that had been blown off. Now, because the trauma team
did not examine Kennedy's body. Okay, so doctor I can

(26:08):
go once the patient's pronounced dead. Is there any reason
for the doctors in the trauma room to examine the
body and see what additional wounds there were?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
They might, They might, They don't necessarily. If the oologists
is there to take the body, the pathologists will do.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
It, right. I mean, see, your job is done in
the emergency room. He didn't save his life, so why
are you gonna look for anything else. Pathologist is going
to do an autopsy. They'll do a far better job
than you did. I mean that certainly would be a
logical assumption for a surgeon in the trauma room, wouldn't it?
Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, Plus, there's thirty people crowded in that little room,
all kinds of equipment, secret service. I mean, they probably
pushed the surgeons out of there.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
So the problem was that since they took the body,
Malcolm perry On Kemp Clark, who did the press conference,
did not know that there was a wound at the
back because they didn't turn Jack Kennedy over. There's a
puncture wound in the back, so they missed that, and

(27:22):
that becomes important in the story. Now Perry comes out
with doctor Clark Kemp at three sixteen pm Central Standard time,
over two hours after Jack Kennedy died, and doctor Clark
and Perry were the only two Parkland physicians at the
press conference. They made it clear they observed only two

(27:45):
wounds in the emergency room, a bullet hole puncture wound
at the midline of the throat just below the atoms apple.
Had a large gaping wound at the back of JFK's head.
Three different times, doctor Perry affirmed the throat wound was
a frontal entrance wound. Two times Perry described the throat

(28:05):
wound as an entrance room. He said, Doctor Perry, the
neck wound as visible as the patient revealed a bullet
hole almost in the midline. Question, what was that, Perry?
A bullet hole in the midline, would you demonstrate? Perry said,
in the lower portion of that confront. So he's pointing
to the physician he talked about in the midline, below

(28:25):
the atom's apple. He said, approximately here below the atom's apple, Yes,
below the atom's apple, doctor, is the assumption that it
went through the head. That would be conjecture in my part.
There are two wounds doctor Clark noted one in the
neck and one in the head. Now, whether they are
directly related to two bullets, I can't say. So. One

(28:47):
possibility would be a bullet entered the throat and that
was the bullet that blew out the back of his head.
That the only two wounds they saw. They really did
not pay attention to an entrance wound to the temporal
bone because Jack Kennedy had also been hit in the
back of the head, which caused a massive blowout in
the front part of his head, but in between the

(29:10):
temporal bone and the parietal bone, but it didn't conflict
with the very top quadront of his head where the
bullet that went in the mid line stayed in place. Now,
likely that was a liquid mercury bullet because the burden
was also stained. And as an entire story we're going
to as it evolves, we find out that the backstory

(29:33):
when they announced that the Harvey Oswald is the lone
gun assassin, well Ike Alchins and a photographer for the
Associated Press, had been standing in front of the limousine
when the shot occurred. He took a picture of Kennedy
reacting to the bullet hitting his neck through the windshield,
and the Texas school Book Depository was obviously in the background,

(29:56):
So now all the shots had to come from the back.
But the body shows front wounds. They got a body.
They're flying back to Washington, where the evidence of the
body contradicts the lying cover story set up to frame Oswald.
They've also got another problem. The only three cartridges were
dropped in the sixth floor of the Texas school Book

(30:17):
Depository and would have been set up to look like
a sniper's desk. But yet one of the bystanders, James T. Tay,
got nicked in the cheek with a bullet, and so
that meant one shot missed. So now two shots had
to have done all the damage to Kennedy's head and
all the damage to Connolly, who broke his ribs on

(30:39):
his left side. It entered his wrist and broke the
large bone in his wrist and ended up in his
left knee. All this damage has now got to be
from two bullets. So you got to have one that
somehow struck Kennedy in the head. They did all this
damage to the head. You got to have one that
in the back, maybe that came out through the throat

(31:01):
and then it pivoted and hit Connolly. That becomes the
magic bullet. Okay, But to make that happen, they secretly
get the body to Parkland from Andrews Air Force Base,
where the plane lands at approximately six o'clock in the
evening eat Washington time, six point thirty. The body is

(31:22):
being delivered to the Bethesda Morgue in a shipping gray
shipping casket and a body bag, which is not how
I left Parkland. The doctors do pre autopsy surgery to
alter the wounds, and we demonstrate that I try to
remove as much of the wound that they couldn't remove
the shots at the top of the head. So I
think the brain was stained, and I think the X

(31:43):
rays showed stained brain as well as possibly some fragments
of a liquid mercury bullet that remained. So let's go
back to Parkland now. On the press conference, Perry says,
to be conjecture, in my part, there's two wounds, one
of the neck and one of the head. Whether it
related to two, I can't say. Was that an entrance
wound right? He says, there was an entrance wound in

(32:04):
the neck. As regards to the head, I cannot say
which way was the bullet coming from the entrance to
womb at him. It appeared to be coming at him.
So a third time doctor described the entrance room. Do
you think the from the front of the throat? He said, yes,
the wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the
front of the throat. Okay, so Clark could not say.

(32:29):
Clark said the head wound could have either been the
exit wound from the neck or could have been a
tangent wound. It was simply a large gaping loss of tissue.
Speculated the loss that the gaping posterior wound could have
resulted from a bullet that entered the throat or from
a separate bullet through the right side of the head.
In either case, he clearly implied that the gaping wounded

(32:50):
the right of Jack Kennedy's head was an exit wound,
and he emphasized that he could not comment on JFK's
throat wound because he was busy with the head wound.
So we go forward a little bit further now, and
what we find is that doctor Perry gets receives through

(33:16):
the night by questions from Bethesda, who's doing the autopsy,
and they're not satisfied that doctor Perry said that the
shots were he was shot from the front. They've got
a big problem. They got to get the Parkland team

(33:36):
to change their story. So when Saturday morning, November twenty third,
nineteen sixty three, when Perry showed up at Parkland Hospital
for his shift that morning, Audrey Bell noticed that he
looked terrible. He looked like he looked like he hadn't

(34:00):
up that night, and so she said, what's the matter?
And Malcolm Perry said, people from Bethesda have been bothering
him on the phone all night, trying to get him
to change his professional opinion about having seen an entry
wound in the front of Kennedy's neck to one of
having seen an exit wound instead. So Douglas Horn, who

(34:23):
did the five volumes on the Assassination's Records Review Board, said,
I don't know what doctor Perry told his tormentors in
the night of November twenty second, twenty third, nineteen sixty three,
but I do know he straddled the fence nicely during
his March nineteen sixty four testimony before the Warren Commission,
testifying the Irele Inspector to the wound in the front
of him the neck could have been either an entrance

(34:45):
wound or an exit wound. By then, Perry was already
compromising with the truth as he expressed it on the
first day Kennedy died when he stated unequivocally three times
the Parkland Press while standing next to doctor Clark, that
the bullet appears Kenny's neck was coming from the front,

(35:06):
and Nurse Bell says there was on the record with
a government agency, a parent attempts by the members of
the US government the night of the autopsy changed history
by altering the recollections and testimony of a key assassination witness,
namely doctor Malcolm Perry. Okay, doctor Engel, here's again where
you come into the story. Now, doctor Perry taught you

(35:29):
how to do your first tracheotomy. Is that right?

Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's practice. What happened, Well, I was on duty in
the University emergency room, University Hospital emergency room, and a
major trauma came in. I believe it was a motorcycle
accident with the helmet stuck on the head, obvious tracheal fracture.

(35:52):
This person was alive but not breathing, and they called
the surgeon but the regular surgeon wasn't there, but Malcolm
Perry was there. So he came into the emergency room
and I wanted him to do the track and he said, no, no,
you're going to do it, And so he talked me
through it and then he started and then he kept talking.

(36:17):
So while I'm sewing up and doing everything else I
needed to do, the patient did survive. After we traked him,
he said, he told me. He told me about coming
in and seeing the wound on Kennedy and not even
giving it a thought, that you if there's a hole there,

(36:37):
use it. And so that was his lesson, and he
talked about what it was like that night, how crazy
it was, and the importance of because he was teaching me.
He was teaching me as a physician, you don't get
distracted by the craziness all around you or any other
part of the patient. You do your part, because each

(37:00):
part is critical in a trauma team. Each one had
their role to play, and if it's getting in lines
or it's you know, starting a blood transfusion, or all
of those things are all part of the trauma team.
And his was to do the trick. And he said,
so he went right through the bullet hole. And I

(37:25):
have no doubt at all that he went right through
the bullet hole.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Now, doctor Perry, you were doctor you were in other
operations with doctor Perry where he was doing the surgery.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yes, yes, that's his internsure.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
And so surgeons often talked during these these operations because
they're true consciousness, they're passing time as well as working
on the patient.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Well, he didn't so much. It was just it was
just this late night in the er, blood everywhere him
and me, and so he was talking. I think he
was teaching me. He was teaching me how to be
on a trauma team, how to be a surgeon, how
to focus on the patient. And so it was a
unique kind of situation.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Did he ever suggest that he had seen that He
was clear that it was a frontal woman.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
And oh, yes, no, no, he was absolutely adamant about it.
That it was that he went right through the bullet
hole that was put came in right under the tracheal cartilage.
And the lesson is if there's a hole there, use it. Well.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Did he talk about being pressured.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
He talked about being pressured later, and also because the
entire medical team from Parkland fifteen top surgeons of the
world left their homes in Parkland and took over the
surgical department in Seattle. It was a major, major move,
and all of us understood it was because of the

(38:59):
terrible pressure that they were under at Parkland, because of
the testimony Kennedy testimony and the risks to several nurses
I think were killed and people disappeared, And it was
a time when they were all being terribly pressured, and

(39:20):
they came to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Because again, if they had held their story that Kennedy
was shot from the front, the government set up of
Oswald falls apart and the lie is apparent. So they
have to break these doctors of Parkland, otherwise they can't
lie to the public that Kennedy was shot by Oswald.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yes, it must have been difficult for them because these
were the world's most famous surgeons, so you can't just
pop them off and throw them out of a car
without a great deal of attention. Plus they were the
most honorable men in the world. I mean, Malcolm Perry
was absolutely the best. It must have been tortured for

(40:03):
him to be forced to change. What do you do
is true?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Well, there's some more testimony recently author Rob Kuteau found
some contemporaneous evidence. He found a journal article published by
Martin Steadman, was a reporter in Dallas at the time
of the assassination, and assassination's researcher, an excellent researcher, James Dugenio,

(40:33):
confirmed that Steedman was indeed in Dallas for several days
after the assassination, gathering information. Do Eugenio also noted that
some of Steedman's information got into print, but this newly
discovered article was not published. Stedman's article fifty Years from
the Fatal Day in Dallas was published in a blog

(40:54):
and it was picked up, and Steedman wrote, I was
in Dallas as a reporter for the Harold Tribune. There
in Dallas to inquire into the unanswered questions surrounding the
shocking events of November twenty second to twenty fourth the
assassination nineteen sixty three. On the evening of December second,

(41:15):
nineteen sixty three, so it's just a few weeks after
the assassination, Stan reading crime reporter from the Houston Chronicle,
and Fred Faretti, a colleague from the New York Herald Tribune,
visited Perry at his home shortly after dinner time. Steadman
remembered a little girl playing with her toys on the
living room floor as the three reporters and her father

(41:36):
talked about how he tried to save the president's life.
He commented that the controversy over the Perry's press conference
end quote didn't erupt until government officials in Washington said
all three shots that the president had been fired from
the six to four window building behind the president. Okay,
and Steadman described the meeting. So Doctor Perry said he

(41:58):
believed he was an entrance wound in the throat because
a small circular hole was clean with no ragged edges.
Of course, the conversation was asked in answer that he
had treated hundreds of gunshot wounds in the emergency room
at Parkland Memorial Hospital. Another point, he said he was
a hunter by hobby, was very familiar with guns and ammunition.

(42:18):
Said he could tell at a glance the difference between
an entrance wound and an exit wound with its jagged edges.
So Steedman continued, but he Perry told us that throughout
the night of November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, the
night of the assassination, received a series of phone calls
to his home from irate doctors at the Bethesda Naval
Hospital where the autopsy was being conducted. The doctors there

(42:41):
were becoming increasingly frustrated with his belief that it was
an entrance wound, said. They asked him if the doctors
in Dallas had turned the president over and examined the
wounds in his back. He said they had not. They
told him he could not be certain of his conclusion
if he had not examined the wounds of the president's back.
They said Bethesda had the president's body and Dallas did not.

(43:04):
They told doctor Perry he must not continue to say
he cut across what he belied was an entrance wound
when there was no evidence of shots fired from the front.
When he said again he could only say what he
believed to be true, one or more of the autopsy
doctors told him and from Bethesda they would take him
before a medical board if he continued to insist on

(43:26):
what they were certain was Otherwise, they threatened his license
to practice medicine. Doctor Perry said, okay, so he confirmed
that the pressure was there, and a stubben continued. Ultimately,
doctor Perry testified as witness before the Warring Commission. In substance,

(43:47):
he testified that he realized he had no proof the
hole in the President's neck was an entrance wound, and
he conceded that the Bethesda doctors who autopsy the President
would know better because they had all the president evidence,
and he had but a fleeting recollection. So Stedman's conclusion was,
I can't fault doctor Perry for his testimony before the

(44:07):
Warren Commission. Surely occurred to him there was no point
in holding out for a belief that couldn't be proved.
And just as surely this thirty four year old surgeon
with an exemplary record in a brilliant future knew his
life would be forever shadowed by conspiracy theories relied heavily
on the bullet fired for the front. He testified only
as you most certainly had to testify. They'll never forget

(44:29):
what he said to the three reporters that night in Dallas. Okay, Now,
doctor Engel, we've talked about it, and you think there
was additional threats to the family.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, And what Alc. Perry told me was that what
he said to Bethesda and to the Warren Commission was
that going doing the tracheotomy through the bullet wound had
obliterated the evidence of the bullet wound. And beyond that
point there was so much destruction. You couldn't tell tell

(45:00):
much of what was going on. But the only moment
you could really tell was the moment that before he
did the trake. So he's the one person that could
say that was an entry wound, right and.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
You saw it. You've seen it. Doctor Perry do tracheotomies,
I'm sure, Oh.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, he was. He was absolutely the best. He taught
everyone in Seattle how to do them.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Now, the gaping wound and Kennedy that shows up and
they and the autopsy photographs, it's not a nice neat
slit to open up the bullet hole. This is a
gaping wound. The whole throat looks like it's dug apart.
I mean that did doctor Perry's tracheotomies look like the
whole throat had been disturbed and internal tissue exposed. No, no,

(45:48):
it didn't. It would be simple simple.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
He was just going through and getting a tube bin.
That act meant he had to widen it with the
with the two spreaders, and that's not.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
A gaping hole that stretches almost from neck to neck.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, no, and it and the way you described the
entry bullet wound, it wasn't. Bullet wounds usually aren't.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So they're small puncture holes.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Puncture holes, right, And they're sterile. That's the nice thing
about bullet wounds. So they're always sterile because of the
heat generated when the bullets being shot. You don't have
to worry so much about infection immediately. So that's why
he favored using a bullet hole when he could.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And in our discussion is you've said you have reason
to think that doctor Perry's family might have been threatened
more than just his career.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, something something serious happened. He is a person would
not have backed down. They weren't going to take his
medical license away from him, but us and this is
rumors because he didn't tell me this directly, that his
family was seriously threatened, which is why you agreed to
go to Seattle. And they think the threats continued. So

(47:08):
but that that I can't say too. I can tell
you what he told me one on one in the
emergency room when he was teaching me how to do
a trake.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Right, But you have a recollection that was just said
that perhaps one his son had been even kidnapped or
threatened to be kiss Yes.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
There was something like that, but since I can't find
anything about it, and I if Tom Shires is still alive,
he would know doctor Shires who was He was the
head of the trauma department and he came with Malcolm
Perry to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
So Perry would have talked about the threats he received
to his family intimately with.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
To Tom Shires and uh oh the other the other
senior attendings that he came with.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
And there's this vague recollection you've got that there his
son might have been kidnapped, d have been a threat
to kidnap his son. I mean they went to they.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Went to they went after his family and and scared
him enough and his family enough that he equivocated. What
he said was that the act of doing the tricheonomy
could have could have altered the evidence.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, he never really he never really admitted that it
was an exit wound.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
No, no, no, he never said it was an exit wound.
He said his surgery altered the appearance of it and
and obliterated the absolute evidence, which it did.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
So he couldn't. He couldn't prove any longer he was right.
So he conceded that he couldn't prove he was right,
but he didn't.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
They couldn't prove him wrong either.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
But then he didn't concede that he was wrong. No,
he gave into the hypothetical casting that you know, this
back wound could have been Yeah, well, you know, angels
could have come in and save Jack Kennedy too, They
just didn't. A lot of things could happen hypothetically. But
Perry was very, very circumspect in saying that since he

(49:08):
debliterated the wound by doing the tracheotomy, it was no
longer in the state with which he'd made his original judgment,
so he couldn't go back and put it back in
that state, And so he couldn't say for sure right.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
And I can tell you that those Parkland surgeons knew
more about gunshot wounds than anyone else in the world.
They had treated more people, more trauma cases. They were
the world's experts on what was an entrance wound, what
was an exit wound, and how you treat it. They'd
done the most research on it, and the huge pressure

(49:44):
it must have taken to force an entire surgical department
to leave Parkland Hospital and come to the University of Washington,
which was nowhere near as nice as Parkland.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Park was really one of the better places to be.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
It was the best place to be. It had the
state of the art everything. At that time, Seattle was
a backwater, which is why they came. But in terms
of the facilities and the equipment and all that, it
got better, but it was no comparison to Parkland.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
They they sought obscurity because they thought it gave them
some cover, yes, and they went as a unit. So
the doctors all.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Switched unheard of. They brought their residents, they brought their nurses,
they brought medical students. It was a huge, a huge undertaking,
and they did it without telling anyone. They just sort
of appeared one day. So all of this was done,

(50:50):
and of course the surgeons at the University of Washington
were furious. They were not happy.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I'm sure they lost this whole team.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
You know, Parkland lost their team and the University of
Washington got replaced by the hot shots.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Right, And you know it had to have been it
had to have been a massive, frightening.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Scare for all of them.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Otherwise, I mean, they would have told the.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Truth and they would have stayed in Parkland.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And they would have stayed in Parkland. But they didn't.
And so that's that's clear indication of the massive pressure
put upon them. And it's other clar indication of the
extent to which the government went to lie, to alter
the facts, the evidence, to fit the lying narrative, and

(51:49):
to perpetuate this Truman show. We've been living under this
Jim Carrey Truman show. That Jack Kennedy was shot from
behind three shots from the Texas school book to pot Lee.
Harvey Oswald failed the paraffin test. It's unlikely he shot
anybody that day, and yet he's the one they framed.

(52:09):
He's the one they killed. And it was a CIA
from the moment car the limousine got to Parkland Hospital,
the Secret Services seen getting buckets of water and cleaning
up the blood damage from the second seat, the backseat
of the limousine, which is altering a crime scene. When

(52:29):
the puncture wound was seen in the limousine, they cordoned
off the limousine, would not let anybody photograph it, and
they got the limousine out of there right away by
Sunday that limousine was in Dearborn, Michigan, and they replaced
the windshield, destroyed the original windshield. Government's altering evidence, including
altering the body of the president in pre autopsy surgery.

(52:51):
This is a government conspiracy to kill the president and
get away with it, which until now they've done so.
I think doctor Engel, your testimony is extremely important and new.
I think you haven't really told the story publicly. Have
you told the story publicly before?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
No, I haven't. We talked about it when I was
an intern. What was that fifty years ago?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Right?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
No? I never have.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Well, thank you for coming forward. It adds additional information
and we will certainly publicize this. We're going to have
you back to talk about your MK Ultra experience. That'll
be the second chapter, and encouraging people before that to
get the books. Your book Sparky, which is Surviving Sex Magic,

(53:45):
and this is a compelling story of your experience in
MK Ultra, which unveils another important personal experience, illuminating a
very dark part of our government manipulated history.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Which is important because it's influencing what's happening now.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
So is the Kennedy assassination live exactly.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
It's all part of the same, which is largely why
I agreed to even talk about doctor Perry.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yes, because you've kept that private and respected him for
fifty years since you first met him. He was a mentor, he.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Was wonderful, and he died, and he was a chainsmoker,
and he died of lung cancer in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Well, with all the tension and complexes he must have
had over what he was forced to do, I'm sure
it affected his life and his health.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I'm sure it did. He was under terrible pressure and
a lot of guilt. But if you can talk to
doctor Tom Shires, if he's still alive, he would know
quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I'll try to track that down and find out. I
don't know at the moment whether he is alive or not.
But there's also a it's been on the internet, has
been shown recently. Paramount did a whole They finally got
the tapes from the doctors of Parkland and allowed them
to be seen by the public, And that was just recently,
and the doctors of Parkland give a lot of testimony

(55:15):
about Kennedy being shot from the front. So now getting
to be overwhelming evidence that the government has lied and
that this is coming out now. I think the government
understand they can't maintain this lie any longer. It's important
part of deconstructing this evil intelligence operation military industrial complex

(55:36):
that President Eisenhower warned us about that has thrown us
into perpetual wars depopulationists, this dark evil agenda which is
controlled the United States of America and destroyed the United
States of America and destroy our freedoms.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
And the MK ultra conditioned the generation of people, starting
with my generation, that are making this happen. Who are
the mind controlled arms of this.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
We'll get into this our second broadcast. Yes, we can
talk about that, Doctor Ngel, thank you for joining us.
I know it takes some courage to talk about these topics,
and I greatly admire your willingness to come forward.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Doctor Drome Corsi. In the end, God always wins. God's
going to win here too, And I implore everybody in
the spirit of Second Chronicles seven fourteen, let's get on
our knees and ask God to forgive us for letting
this dark satanic element control our country for so long.
God will win. God to not create this experience to lose.

(56:42):
Satan gets sent back to Hell. And I pray that
the judgment of God upon us for allowing all this
evil to happen without more strongly protesting it, more strongly
overturning it, that we will be forgiven. God will hear
our plea and heal our land. Doctor Drone Corsi, thank
you for joining us. We'll be doing this at thecroy

(57:04):
Central dot com. We're doing podcasts every weekday and we
look forward to continue. Thank you for joining us. God
bless