All New Tim Gardner X Space with Cory Hughes June 23, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, welcome everybody to a new spaces tonight talking about
JFK assassination and the surroundings about it. I am Tim Gardner.
Can follow me at Tim Gardner Project. Obviously on here
with me is Cory Hughes, author of the awesome book

(00:23):
A Warning from History. It's a really really good book,
and he's working on another book as well. He'll explain
it a little bit later in the forum tonight tonight.
Just want to be covering I just want to make
a preface this out. Our opinions are strictly our own,
and uh, we're just going to be centering this basically

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around the assassination and Oswald and all.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
The key players and the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
So again, thanks everybody for for joining us, and if
you have any questions or feel free to join in
with us, so thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well anyways, Corey, so let's go ahead and start off.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
With what you shared with me a couple of nights
ago about the Marina oswaldt tapes and how that peaud
your interest.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, that's interesting stuff because they's still lying to us
about Oswald's activities, where he lived, where he worked, all
that stuff, and Marina is clearly a willing participant in
the setup of Oswald. So when I come across things
like this, and I actually have a Russian associate of

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mine translating that second video, which is all in Russian,
when you dig into little things that Marina says that,
she says things that don't really make any sense. She
says that her and Lee had lived in oak Cliffe
and they were going to visit the house there. But
the only house that I can think of was the
Elspeth house in oak Cliff. I really don't remember. I

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think that might have been an oak Cliff, but I
don't know why she'd be going to visit the Elspeth
house like in nineteen sixty four, So that's weird. She's
talking to Katia on the phone and she who's connected
to Declan Ford, I guess, And Katia and her are

(02:13):
talking and they have a brief interaction where she says
she must be talking about Robert Oswald because it's pretty
obvious to me Robert Oswald had the hots for Marina,
and she mentions this to Katya, and Katia says to her,
he shouldn't be thinking about you in that way, and
then they change the subject real quickly, so there's a
lot of interesting stuff in there. Marina knows way more

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than she's ever said. I am not going to get
to Oswald post June sixty two for a long time
because I have to finish my current book and then
I'm doing Oswald in Russia, and then I'll get to
Oswald Post sixty two. But the more I learn about
the details of Oswald posts June sixty two when he

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comes back, the more I realize that none, nothing been
told is true at all. Zero, Like none of his
fucking jobs those were all front jobs. Every job he
had was connected to the CIA, including the book depository.
Right then you have the weird shit popping up about
you know, when he gets the rested he had the
he had the pay stub for the American Bakery Company

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in Chicago. Right, that's weird. That's weird shit, you know,
like nobody's been able to figure that out. The guy
whose check it was says that he didn't know Oswald
and doesn't know why he had a missing check, you know,
So the whole thing is fucking weird. Right, there's other
stuff going on. Oswald. I promised you Oswald never worked
a day at the book depository. It doesn't make sense
for him to have ever been there. There's some weird

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shit going on with the book depositories like roster. You know,
it's got three different names on the fucking roster for him.
One of the rosters says Harvey Oswald worked there, another
roster said Lee Oswald worked there, and another roster said
Leslie Oswald worked there for the last week that he
was employed. So what's that about. Why are they changing
Oswald's name on the roster. Doesn't make any sense. But

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I can tell you he never stepped foot in that
fucking building, because it doesn't make any sense for him
to have ever been there if he wasn't there on
the twenty second.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
So yeah, it's interesting because I mean, obviously the mainstream
theme about it from conspirators is is that, you know,
obviously he got a job there from Ruth Payne, and.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well the Ruth Payne came originally came from Bull Fraser's sister, right,
That's where the league came from, and she's all kinds
of fucking caught up in this thing.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So oh yeah, well, you know, but at the end
of the day, I mean I made this analogy that
basically that town at that particular time was a Truman show.
And I talked to you about this, I mean, it
was like a Truman show. They literally these whether you
call them decoys or whether.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
You call them, I don't know what you would call them.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Their CIA assets now and they're just they're planet there
and it's like a whole little world at that particular time.
And for people to you know, it just it for
me when I when I talked, when I think about
Ruth Payne and how she just commits her silence still
to this day, about how dedicated she was to that
particular job, just like James Angleton.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
So and to kind of emphasize that point, I don't
know if you listened to the episode I put out
today on the Garrison Sprague Conference, which is turning out
to be like one of the best fucking documents I've
ever seen. He talks about a guy named Lazar who
was the boss of the Lincoln Mercury Dealer allegedly when

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Oswald went to go meet with Boguard and do the
test drive. Right, But that guy Lazarre, turns out he
was in the fucking Marines. He was in Marine intelligence.
He was in at SUGI after Oswald was and then
he's got this lifelong like intelligence career, but for nine
months he was the boss at Lincoln Mercury in fucking

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Fort Worth or Dallas, Like what the fuck? Like you
have a whole career of intelligence, but then you happen
to go to work as the boss of a card
What is going on? Then you go back to intelligence
after that? Give me a break, Give me a break. Yeah,
Like everything in one of these incidents is a stage incident,
every single one of them, Everything that planned in advanced
total Truman Show. Like really, it's fucking unbelievable at the

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length to which they did this, Like, you know, even
the janitor's in on it.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's crazy, right, even the cab driver that really drove him.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, you know, I I it really boggles my mind
about just even the post story we talked about that
last space is about the timing and you said that
you don't even believe that he was there, but you know,
I just even the story about him getting from the building,
if he was there to randomly randomly shoot a police

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officer and then go to the theater. You know, My
take on this whole thing is that they were supposed
to murder him. Yeah, and had they not murdered him,
then the whole story would have been different.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I mean, you made a really good.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Point about Fraser, and if Fraser was just charged that
none of this stuff would actually we wouldn't be having
this massive conspiracy theory field that we're having right now.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, because nobody would ever connect the dots. It would
be like, you know, it would be like pick someone
from who work picked someone who worked at the book depository,
like a Joe Molina type or one of those other
obscure characters. Right, And that's what Oswald would be if
it was blamed on Fraser, and like they would make
sure to get rid of every goddamn There would be
no Oswald files period. There would be nothing if that

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was the case, right, So no one would ever be
able to look into Oswald and uncover like the unusual,
covert seeming naval intelligence network that he was associated with,
you know, because that's what that's ultimately what this comes
down to, because all the Oswald stuff started before the
CIA was even the CIA.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
So yeah, you know it's crazy because because obviously Hoover
was monitoring him in sixty and we talked about that,
but yeah. And the crazy thing about that is if
they were monitoring him, you know, in my opinion, probably
in the late fifties, and he was actually you know,
in the military. This guy had you know, pretty much
agent written all over him, and they it was somebody

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that just didn't want to get exposed to.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
And you could see.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
By his body language when he was arrested, he seemed
pretty calm and collected, and he was just like, oh.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Shit when they then when the reporter told him that
he was being charged for the murder of the president.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Right, that's see, it's at that moment that everything started
to fall into place. I promise you he had encountered
some anomalous incidents, like perhaps he was told to do
some things or go somewhere or whatever. And in hindsight,
at that moment, I have no doubts it all fell
into place for him. And he knew what was up.
He knew who set him up. You know, he knew

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he didn't see. Here's another thing. We have a lot
of statements and notes from like Curry and whatnot of
allegedly what Oswald said. We can't fucking believe a single
word that they said. Oswald said while he was in custody.
So every single thing Oswald allegedly said while he was
in custody he has to go right out the window,
because every one of those fucking guys who were bringing
that information to us are liars.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So yeah, especially Robert Oswald.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean I just watched an interview with Robert Oswald
on NBC and I made a post about it. And
what he would I mean if that, in fact was
his brother. I mean, he not only betrayed him, but
I mean just what he Look, I'm not trying to
defend Lee Harvey Oswald here, but what I'm trying to
say is is that Robert Oswald really is just he's

(09:30):
the worst of the worst, like a lot of those
people back then.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, well, so Robert Oswald, he goes back to like
nineteen fifty three, he stationed at Opa Laca, an ultra
fucking high security CIA base down in Florida where they
ran all the operations against ar bens in Guatemala. Right,
he was there at that time under the most top

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secret shit going on in the country. I mean, that's
wild that he was even there in the first place.
Who else was there? I Howard Hunt there at the
exact same time Robert Oswald was there, and we know
Hunt is definitely connected to the Cuban operations that were
going on in New Orleans, even though he did a
good job of you know, he was never photographed in
New Orleans, and he did a good job of keeping
his name out of things. But he was most certainly

(10:15):
connected with David Atley Phillips and them and friends of
Democratic Cuba and all those Cuban operations. I mean, he
was most certainly connected there. So it's just another This
is another thing like I keep coming across weird coincidence
after coincidence after coincidence. You know, people you wouldn't think
are in the same place, are in the same place.
You know, just stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
And then you find out as you keep researching this
whole thing how bad the people were back then. It's
just like, I mean, they're bad to do, yeah, every
you know, but I mean, oh my god, I just
I sick to my stomach. And find out some of
your heroes you look it up to how bad they was.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's weird. I don't know if it was just a
thing of the time and or what, but like a
lot of the guys. There were a lot of Jerry
Heming type guys and Lawrence Howard type guys like ex
military gung ho you know, ultra right wing working with
the CIA, wanting to overthrow these countries, right, Like, it's
crazy because you don't really I've never seen that in
the modern era. I don't never bumped into anybody who

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was like that in the modern era. You know, like
does that even exist today? I don't even know, because
it's weird because those guys, like I never understood what
made those guys tick, Guys like William Seymour and Lauren
Hall and those guys like it seems like these are
guys who just should have stayed in the fucking army.
They should have stayed in the military because that's what
they love to do. But no, they get out, like
right after four years and they start working with the

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CIA doing this paramilitary stuff. It was like, I never
understood why, like what drove them to do that? Especially Seymour.
Seymour is the one you hear the least from like
does that's the least the guy we know really the
least about from his own personal saying whatever. We have
all kinds of stuff about Lawrence Howard and Lauren Hall.
They talked William Seymour never gave an interview that we
know of, and if he did, we don't have a

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fucking copy of it. But they tracked those guys down
big time. Hell, they even tracked down Guy Gibalden and
interviewed him. So where's the Steamer interview? You know that
doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, there's words, I mean, and that's what my argument was,
you know, Yesterday's I mean, And I'm grateful for you know, Morley,
for for digging into, you know, the Joanese file and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I know your stance on Morley.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Morley is the modern day jos Morley and Diogenio are
the modern day Joanitas. Just like what do you and
Dianita did during the HCA is what they're doing today
with fucking Luna and the stupid committee that got going on.
Those guys work for the CIA. They have to, because
you can't be that fucking stupid. You can't be on
Kennedy for forty fucking years and not realize David Ferry

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was in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's impossible. It's totally fucking impossible. So these guys have
to work for They have to because they can't be
so fucking dumb.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
But my point, my point to to what I was
saying a little bit earlier, and you know that's a
that that it would be logical, but you know, my
my point would be is that you know, with documents,
everybody wants to find the smoking gun, smoking gun, smoking
gun in the documents, but they were destroyed in the seventies,
man sixties or seventies. Those things were done and they're
they're tossed. You know, if you're going to find anything,

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you're gonna find basically the weak residuals of anything. I mean,
like the Cornhill document which said that he freaked out
and you know and committed suicide, or you know, there
was a lot of KGB Cuban documents that were in there.
I'm not sure what the Jonese documents provide, but there's
not going to be anything that's really ground changing in

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that whole deal.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, So as far as documents go, like there's a
ton of documents out there right now that are super important,
like here, like here's a great example on the at
the Alamotel on Saturday, when after they were originally David
Ferry and the guys allegedly leave from the Winterland and
go to Galveston. They're still checked in to the Alam Hotel,

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so they're technically checked into two hotels. That's Saturday night,
the twenty third, and David Ferry stayed in Hammond. So
you have three different parties staying in three different places. Okay,
what is the clue that we have at the Alam Motel. Well,
one of the maids there told the FBI that she

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saw a blonde woman in their room. Okay, this is
a major clue, major clue, because there's no blonde woman
on the road with David Ferry and these guys. Well,
David Ferry is not on the road, right, he's in Hammond.
But Sergei Arcacha and the boys they don't have a
blonde woman with him, right, So who the hell is
this blonde woman? Well, I connect the dots between that

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and the woman speaking Spanish calling the boarding house talking
to Carry Thornley about what was it not Magazine Street
the other one Marcellus, So who's the blonde woman? To me,
it's obvious the blonde woman is Candy Bar because Candy
Bar was kicking it with Jack Ruby when he went
to Galveston, because he went to Galveston on weekend. He
went there and he came back just in time. You
know the story about him coming back and waking up

(14:58):
Larry Crawford Nett and I'm going to look at this
stupid billboard. That's all. That's a nonsensical story because that's
probably about the time that Jack Ruby got back to
fucking Dallas from Galveston. Jack Ruby was also seen in
a hardware store or a sporting goods store buying a gun.
This was told of the FBI. He was identified by
a kid who was in the store who recognized him

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when he saw him on TV shoot Oswald. And this
makes perfect sense because that leads the opening for Samuel
Ruby to impersonate him all day in the hallway at
the police department, at the midnight press conference in the
on the phone in the background of the Dallas Morning
News about twelve forty five, right, So that makes perfect
sense to me. So that document saying at a blonde woman
was at the Ala motel is a priceless document. How

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much time does Morley spend on something like that? None,
because he's trying to find answers digging into Angleton shit,
and you're never going to find anything there. So yeah,
it's like angles like Indiana Jones, they're digging in the
wrong place, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, well, I mean, and that's that's my thing, is that,
you know, I respect prey much every researcher that's out there,
even the James Files people, because you know, they're hey,
they're passionate about it, right right, I give them that much. Yeah,
And but but at the end of the day, it's
it's like, you know, it's pretty obvious what's out there.
In my opinion, it's pretty obvious what's out there, Like

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you got to connect the dots.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Why did this happen? Why that happen? And it's pretty
much right there in front of your face, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I mean for me, I mean, obviously I don't know
the names of of the the shooters and whatnot, but
I mean it's pretty obvious about like how the thing
was coordinated and it wasn't strictly coincidence, and you know,
C I A and and and the New Orleans group
and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I mean that all adds up.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's actually you know, pretty much factual if you look
into the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, I mean the think that the think that the
Jim Garrison had one of the shooters on the Noll
in his office Monday morning, it is crazy to me. Crazy.
That's how close they came instantly because that Jack Martin,
you know, and Jack Martin hated Ferry, so you know,
he wasn't bullshitting. He you know, took back his statements.
But to me, the idea that Ferry was in Garrison's

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office that Monday is that's wild. That's how close he came.
And he never I think he might have one day knew,
but he never indicated he did none of and not
in any of his notes or any of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, it kind of makes you think about you know.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
And and you told me last week about the Marcello
thing and how I dismissed that initially, but you know
that added up as well, the Marcello aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
And well, the three biggest mob bosses were Marcello, Trafficante,
and Giancana, and all of them had to throw on
something like this big. Everybody's got to throw in, right,
Gi and Kanna sent Robert Bernard Baker, your traffic Coante
sent Valente and Marcello sent the New Orleans Crew. And

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then you got the Cleveland guys who came in there.
You know, you got Leo Massei, Danny Green, they were there.
I'm pretty sure like Cavoli was there. I've flip flop
I'm like Avoli a bunch of times, but I'm pretty
sure like a Voli was in Daily Plaza. They had
to be there. They all had to be there. Daily
Plaza was a closed set. It was a closed scene.
That's why they had cops up there on the noll

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to make sure nobody came into back way or anything
like that. They blocked off as many people as possible.
When you go through the photographs of Daily Plaza, seventy
five percent of those people have not provided a statement.
We don't know who they are, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, And I want to jump to the secret uh,
the secret Service real quick and about how they had
the separation from.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
The back car to where the front car is and they.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Could have had agents on the sides of the vehicle
to stand there to block, you know, anything in that
regard from happening. And that just so happened that one
day that they didn't have that detail going on, and
they were drunk the night before most of them were.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I'm not saying every single one of.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Them, but you know, it just goes to show the
sloppiness and how that looks too from a from an
outsider looking in about like, what was this, you know,
Secret Service doing. It's just I mean it all everything
adds up that you question, really adds up to this
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, and the Secret Service stuff. So I don't know
if I've ever talked to you about the Secret Service
car and Morales and all that stuff, but McIntyre photo
number two, it's very clearly obvious to me the two
people on the side of the Secret Service car are
no longer Ready and Landis. They entered the car in
Dealey Plaza, just as their statement said they did. And

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to me it's obvious Jack Valenti and David Morales are
the guys they picked up, and it's so clearly Morales.
But yet people will look at it and go, no,
that's Landis. Even though the hairline is different. Morales has
a fucking mustache and a flat top. You know, It's
just how can people have overlooked that for so long?
It really drove me crazy. That was one thing that
really kind of got me when I started researching is
that I was coming across things that I was like, Wow,

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this is new. No one's figured this out before. Wow,
no one figured this out before. And then I get
to like the David Ferry stuff, and I'm like, holy shit,
this whole story makes perfect sense. And everybody knows about
David Ferry and New Orleans. How the fuck is nobody
putting Dave Ferry in New Orleans, the most important guy,
one of the most important guys in the whole thing,
and one of the most obvious people right his whole
story about the Windland is jat, you know, and the
Winterland is the key to everything owned by Lyndon Johnson,

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run by c I Spook, Mary Boots Roberts aka Joyce Rowland,
first cousins Vincent called the Gerne Junior. I mean, this
is a This is an unbelievable set of circumstances, and
no one had ever dug into the Winterland. And I
can't really blame them for that because in twenty eighteen,
a Facebook group popped up called Winterland Memories from people
who actually went to the Winterland, including Richard Rowland, who

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was the son of Rulan Roland, posted all kinds of stuff. Man,
I was the only Kennedy researcher to be given access
to it. For some reason, they let me in and
I got all. I got over one hundred pictures from
the Winterland. I got rosters of sports teams, hockey teams,
all kinds of stuff. I mean, a researcher's dream. So
it was Richard Rowland who spilled the beans at Lyndon

(20:57):
Johnson owned the Winterland and knowing that an information had
never been out there before. So that's pretty wild. And
I can't really blame anybody for not having come up
with that because that was a modern era discovery.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
You know, Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
And you know, again when I talk about the Secret Service,
just to go the touch on that point about you know,
they're an aptitude and just how I mean, I'm not
I honestly believe that.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean, So, what's your take on Clint Hill.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I mean, like, I feel like the guy was kind
of genuine when it came to really caring, and I
mean I.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Feel like he's not part of what that whole thing
was about.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
You No, I don't know, I don't know, but the
odds of him not being in on it and then
he happened to run to the President's limo, where he
would be out of eyeshot of seeing what was going
on in the Secret Service car. I just don't buy that,
and I don't buy it because when you look at
McIntyre number one, there is a major anomaly that I

(21:59):
have a the that I'm pretty confident is correct. I
can't say one hundred percent, but when you look at
McIntyre photo number one, it is clear to me that
Clint Hill is already on top of Jackie because his
head is over the side of the limousine. You can
see his head hanging over the side. There's a man
standing in the back of that limousine with a rifle.

(22:22):
I mean there is. I don't know how else to describe.
Looked at the picture for hundreds of hours, just staring
at it. I've had people look at it. I've all
kinds of I've analyzed it to death, and I can't
come to another conclusion. There's a man standing in the
back of the President's limo, the President's limo, with a rifle.
There are witnesses who say that they saw Greer pull
the limo over and picked somebody up on the other
side of the knoll. So to me, it would make

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sense that he picked up Volenti on the other side
of the knoll. He's captured in McIntyre photo number one.
Then if you go through the photographs, you'll notice that
the lead car with Decker and all those guys, they're
doing like a game eleap frog with the limousine. And
the reason, and I think they did this was to
give the secret Service car enough opportunity to slow down
or stop for Valenti to make his way to the

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Secret Service car where he's clearly photographed in McIntire number two.
So that's my take on that. And so if you
can pull off all that stuff and keep Clint Hill
out of the loop, that's the miracle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
No, it just it seems like everybody. Yeah, I mean,
you'd had to have some sort.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Of knowledge, you know, maybe I don't know. I don't
know even how to explain from that angle. I mean,
you'd want to talk to Vince pal Morrow when it comes.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
To Oh, I've tried. He blocked me after I posted
that once. I responded to him one time I posted
the photograph of McIntyre number two, and he blocked me instantly.
That's what I get. That's what I get from every
Kennedy researcher. Not one of them wants to talk to me,
not fucking one, not one, because they don't want to
hear the truth. They don't want to hear anything I
have to say, no matter how logical it is, because

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they've been tucking doing the same shit for fifty years.
They I have a feeling they think their drift will
come to an end, but I won't trust me. I
have a lifetime worth a material in front of me
to work through.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
You know, interesting, interesting, So another thing you know, I hate.
I know we're jumping around on this. You know, I
want to go back to the movie theater and the
importance about the movie theater. You know, Now, in your
in your humble opinion, do you believe that Oswald did
pay for a ticket? Yeah, bought popcorn, yeah, and walked in,

(24:29):
talked to his handler yep, which which was the pregnant lady.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
And so the moving around.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
The witnesses said that he was moving around specifically all
over the place.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Jack Davis, Now Jack Davis was the main witness for that,
and Jack Davis as an eighteen year old kid and
he said Oswald came and first sat down directly in
front of him, but within like thirty seconds got up
and then sat directly next to him. And he was like,
what the hell is ever? What's wrong with this guy?
And he watched Oswald do that two or three more
times before he sat down next to the pregnant woman.

(25:06):
And Jack Davis told the FBI that he was clearly
looking for somebody that he didn't know. That's what he
told them. And if that guy, who's just a layman
at eighteen years old can come up with that, that's
obviously what he was doing, you know. So, but the
pregnant woman, there was a pregnant woman seen at the
Paynes residence a week before the assassination. I've been unable
to identify her. I've identified two pregnant women in New Orleans.

(25:29):
One was a friend of Carrie Thornley's god who which
one was it? I forget. I don't remember which one
it was, but it wasn't Jessica Luck. But it was
one of those girls that he knew in New Orleans.
And you have the one who was Dayton Perry Russo,
what was her name? Sundram Moffatt Sandra Moffatt gave birth
in August, so it couldn't have been her, and Marina

(25:51):
gave birth in October, so it couldn't have been her.
And so I'm still on the hunt for this pregnant woman.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
You know what's interesting too, is that you Mentionedammy True
and I and actually saw her last video that she
had posted on YouTube, and she pretty much has a
straightforward Ford story, which makes me really question her involvement
with things. And you know, I think she talked about
how jack you know, really wanted to you know, cover

(26:20):
for I mean, he wanted to have revenge for Jackie and.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
All this, you know, the whole story that they have
out there.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You mentioned there is something a little bit more into
what Tammy True was doing with Ruby that I'd like
for you to explain about it.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Well, all I know is she was supposed to have
run a safe house where some Cubans are staying. That's
all I know. I'm still looking for a safe house
in North oak Cliff because after Seymour and Lawrence Howard
flee from the book depository in the Green Nash Rambler,
they head to oak Cliff. William Seymour will go to
the Tidy Lady Laundry where he's seen there where he

(26:57):
talks on the phone in Mexican and he leaves the
green station wagon in the parking lot, but he's there
by himself, so he had to stop at a safe
house in North Oak Cliff and drop off the other
guys before taking off. Why he went well, So he
left the green National Rambler station wagon in the parking
lot of the Tidy Lady Laundry. He then walks south

(27:19):
on North Clinton Street, which is puzzling to me. Within
about thirty minutes, him and Seymour will end up. Seymour
and Howard will end up at the aqueduct where they're
picked up in the plane where Robert Vincent sees them,
where he gives a description of Oswald and the husky
lit Latin guy. Right, So, sometime between one point fifty

(27:41):
pm ish or twelve to fifty pm ish and one thirty,
Seymour and Howard make your way to the plane to
escape Dallas and they head to the Air Force base
at I think it was like Santa Fe. It was
in New Mexico somewhere, which makes perfect sense because they
were on their way to Phoenix at least Seymour was
Seymour was from Phoenix, he lived at the time, and
so that's a perfect way for them to get out

(28:02):
of there, get right to hop out of Dallas and
go right to an air Force base. So that means
there's got to be some kind of records of this flight,
you know, the flight from Dallas that Vincent had written about.
There's got to be records on that, pilots who flew
the plane, right, So that's all stuff that we're never
going to get right.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, which that that that's interesting. I mean
a friend of mine actually mentioned Barry Seal, but I
don't think that was his era of time.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Then may you know, maybe maybe he was really really
young at that particular.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I haven't been able to connect Barry Seal though, like anything,
because there were no flights out of Dallas except for
the Air Force flight that took Seymour and Howard. Everyone
else drove out. So you got like Lenny Patrick from Chicago,
Dave Yaris living in Miami, works for the Chicago mob
run things, runs things down there. Both of those guys.
Those guys got they were being tracked by the FBI.
FBI loses track of them, a couple of days or

(28:52):
a week before the assassination. Both of them turn up
a week after the assassination in Chicago, and so they
were clearly there. I believe it was Dave Yaris who
was captured in the Knicks film who was originally edited
out from it at the between the Pergolea and the fence,
and so those guys definitely drove out. Because remember you

(29:14):
have the This brings us to the David Leon Miller stuff.
And this stuff is stuff I haven't written about in
the book because it's somewhat speculative, but all the pieces
are there, so it kind of makes sense to me.
And also Brian Dawson came to the same conclusion on
this stuff. So I'll go ahead and I'll tell you anyway,
the Mary and Meharg files, which are super important, they
talk about a guy named David Leon Miller and his

(29:35):
brother Isidor Max Miller, and he tries to pin being
one of the shooters is being David Leon Miller. Okay, so,
but the problem is David Leon Miller and his brother Isidor.
They had moved to Atlanta a couple months before the assassination.
Then you have driving through the parking lot behind the
Grassy Knoll seen by Lee Bowers. You got what you had,

(29:57):
not the Impala, but you had another car with a
with a Georgia license plate on it right. So to me,
this all makes perfect sense. Dave Yaris and his associate
David Leon Miller, whose identity he assumed when he came
to Dallas, because David Leon Miller and isidoor Max Miller
allegedly rented a place from Bertha Cheek right next to
the Carousel Club where they stayed for a couple of days. Okay,

(30:19):
Then on top of that, you've got Murray Miller staying
at the Cabana the night before. Murray Miller is not
a real person, Okay. Murray Miller is one hundred percent
and alias for Dave Yaris is the alias he used
to run the Teamsters down in Miami. Murray Miller is
not a real person, is Dave Yars? So I connected
the dots on the David Leon Miller isador Max Miller stuff.

(30:40):
And when you dig into isador Max Miller, it says
that he's the top book maker in Dallas. Well, no
he's not. Lenny Patrick was running the books in Dallas
from Chicago. Right, So there you have another connection between
these Millers and Lenny Patrick and Dave Yaris. And then
you have like the series of phone calls in the
days leading up to the assassination. Right, Jack Ruby calls
Robert Bernard Baker. Robert Bernard Baker calls Dave Yaris, Dave

(31:01):
Yaris calls Lenny Patrick. Yeah, bullshit, those are all alibiphone
calls because those guys were all in Dallas, and so
as far as a flight out, there was no need
for any other pilots. These motherfuckers just drove out casually
like nothing happened, which is what they should have done. Right.
The one person who really I'm scratching my head over
what they were doing is Bruce Ray Carlin, who was

(31:22):
Lil Lynn's husband. That guy when the assassination happened, was
in New Orleans. He spent that whole weekend driving back
and forth between Houston, New Orleans, Houston and Dallas. And
he drove like fifteen hundred miles around a little small
area that weekend. What the fuck was he doing? I
have no idea, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
All this stuff is interesting.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I mean I've just and like you mentioned in the
beginning of this when we started, is that everything is
either seems to happen by coincidence or it's just I mean,
it's crazy how these events just seemed to piece together
like during that particular time.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I mean, like it just it blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Like whenever I hear a new piece of information, I'm like, Okay,
well I can connect it with that, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Right right? So, the one guy I'm really still trying
to put in fucking Dallas is Clayshaw. I know clay
Shaw was in Dallas because I had a conversation with
Ryan Dawson about it and he was able to successfully
put him in Dallas with a guy named Erwin Hayman.
Irwin Hayman was one of the top guys in the
Jewish agency in Switzerland. And so I've been unable to

(32:27):
can make those connect those dots. And trust me, me and
my guys have pulled everything on Erwin Hayman. What a
scumbag that guy is. He was tied up with fake
banks in Mexico City and weird stuff too. So but yeah,
I can't seem to put Clayshaw in Dallas for the
life of me, no matter what I do I've I've read,
I haven't really done the full deep dive in the
Shaw files is like five thousand pages of Shaw files, so,

(32:49):
and most of them have to do with like his
stuff that he was doing in Italy, you know, like
before the assassination, and then all his his work with
the He worked with the OSS under Charles Thrasher, you know,
so that was where he got his start in intelligence.
I don't know if you've read or seen the documentary
by Michelle Metta on CMC and the Masade Assassination Station

(33:09):
or whatever. It's called, The Longest fucking Name ever. That's
the Greatest's one of the greatest discoveries in all of
Kennedy research ever. Michelle Metta is Italian, so we don't
really don't hear much aout him. He's got three or
four books on the assassination. The guy is a genius.
His work on CMC is priceless. He acted one percent
connected all the dots between the Israelis, the mob New

(33:29):
Mech the assassination, like he spelled it out so perfectly.
And he's got a dozen He's got dozens of names
in there, like European Italian names, all connected to these
secret societies and stuff that were connected to it also,
and then that all connects to like the Galen network
and Otto Skorzeny, who Hank Elborelli put in Dallas, And
I'm there's a he's captured in one of the photographs.

(33:51):
I'll show it to you in the research chap. But
Otto Skorzeny clear as fucking Deely Plaza that day and
there that connects back to Galen and all this stuff.
And honestly, I think any if there's any one person
who like architected this thing, it was probably Galen himself.
He was the mastermind of trade craft and assassination and
and dirty tricks and all that stuff, so.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
You know, amongst yeah, it's it's he blows my mind man,
just about you know, and especially some of the other
stuff that you've told me off the air, which you know,
we'll just kind of keep we'll keep off the air.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
But yeah, I that just blows my mind, man. I mean, like, well,
this is.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
A major European component to this. Uh, the CIA's connections
to that whole post World War two Nazi network. You know,
those guys were involved with permandex and stuff too. Hal
Mar shocked you know how mar Shocked was involved with
perman dex and he Howmr Shocked actually was on a
fucking talk show with Marguerite Oswald once crazy, Right.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That's just nut, I know, totally. No. So I think
it's important.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
To to, you know, when we're looking about looking around
you know again, I think I always talk about, you know,
people really want to dig into this, you know, like
to do research on this particular, you know, the assassination.
It's really important to just from a surface level look
at exactly the hour just after the assassination and you know,

(35:20):
and the timing and and and how everything uh was
going on, you know, the arrest and and you know
everything with Buil Frasier being being in the interrogation room
and and so you're you know, I hate to sound
like a kind of a diplomatic person when it comes
to being on the service about this, but your your

(35:42):
advice to like new researchers that that would go on,
I mean, is that a good way to start to
go into literally the hour afterwards? I mean, because to me,
I mean, the only thing I tell people who are
new researchers or don't read people's books, read go right
to the documents, like, wait a year, Wait years before
you go to anyone's books.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Use books to fill in your own gaps. Don't try
to create your thesis of someone's book, not even fucking
my book, not even mine. Go read the documents yourself,
you know what I mean. That's that's where all the
answers were, and that's how I got started. I made
sure because I knew there was so much propaganda and
bullshit out there. Yeah, so I was like, I'm just
going to read this. I went right to the source material.
I was like, fuck it, I'm just going to do
this the hard way.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, And that's really super important.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Now the residuals of the assassination obviously, I don't think
it's you know, repairable today. I think it's it's still
going on. And I wanted to talk to you briefly
on this, you know, the war that that I guess
Trump declared to cease fire today, but you know, I
just want to talk about how that has set the
assassination directly relates to what happened, you know, this past

(36:46):
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
And oh, that's easy, that's easy. The whole fucking story
of the twentieth century is the story of Israel from
eighteen ninety six to the end of nineteen ninety nine.
That's the story of fucking Israel. And when you come
to understand that the story of the twentieth century is
the story of Israel, Kennedy was just a fucking bump
in the road, nothing more. There's been a I don't know,

(37:09):
I couldn't even tell you how many assassinations they've committed. Hundreds.
You can go on Wikipedia and look at it. Israeli
assassinations is like a list of over two hundred, you know,
going up to like last year. It's crazy, you know, oh, yeah,
a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, But people who ignore.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
The Israeli aspect ignore all of history because you'll never
nobody will ever understand Kennedy unless they understand that israel
Is and Zionists Zionism is a plot to take over
the world. I don't want to hear about this. You know,
bullshit right of Jewish self sovereignty and bullshit, it's a
plot to take over the world. Go read Hertzel's diaries.
He had no respect for fucking anybody. They talked about

(37:44):
getting a piece of land and then eventually taking over
the whole country, right, I mean this is this was
all in the plot from the beginning, and so Kennedy
was going to end all that period like when you
come to understand how he really felt and how when
you come to understand that he was getting almost sometimes
daily briefings on Demona and activity there, starting as soon
as he got into office in early sixty one. Like

(38:05):
I have a list of briefings that he got on
the Israeli nuclear program. That's it's like ten pages long,
and it shows all these dates and packages of information
that he received. Is wild. He hated these Israelis because
they all they ever do is lie. And that's a
direct quote from John Kennedy. All they ever do is lie.
And so when you come to understand that and that
they'll do anything to get maintain a state, and then

(38:27):
well they got their state, but I ain't good enough,
is it. So that's what's going on today, Iran as
the last domino to fall in order for them to
enact their Greater Israel project. Some biblical nonsense of people
who had a culture that they stole. So that's my
take on everything that's going on today. Or trust me,
anything that goes wrong in the world. Israel is behind

(38:48):
or what I call the greater global Jewish Establishment, because
it's not just Israel. They're just a link in a chain.
I mean, it's a chain that involves APAC and benigh
Breath and the Jewish Agency and the litter really one
hundred million fucking Jewish organizations out there. It's what I
call the global Jewish establishment, and that's who killed Kennedy,
and that's who's been running the world and destroying America

(39:10):
on purpose ever since. So but I don't know if
I can trust Trump to fix anything, because he's a
fucking liar and he's been proven to be a liar.
This strike on Iran is the worst thing he could
have possibly done. Because I was making all the excuses
for him in the world. But this is even with
all the is real shit that he's been doing, which
I despise he you know, he lied, and I just

(39:31):
don't buy that he's there to save us anymore at all,
you know.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, I mean, I I tend to you know, unfortunately,
I tend to try to.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Be I don't know, I don't want to be like.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
A chicken austri but I'm just I tend to stay
in my lane because I'm not really informed enough to
know about this particular topic other than the fact that
I don't think that we should be going to war
if it's not necessary. And I feel like this whole
thing was not necessary, correct, I feel like you know
it when it looks like, you know, when you speculate

(40:06):
about uranium and you speculate about things that are you know,
I don't know for sure if they actually had a
uranium or a nuclear you know, thing going on over that.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I have no idea. I'm just I'm just the guy
that lives in the Northwest, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, there's the thing with Iran. For many, many, many
many years, decades, the battle against them having nuclear at
all was because they have to use a huge portion
of their own oil because of all the sanctions they're under.
And therefore, if they have nuclear power that free across
the country widespread, that frees up all that oil to
hit the market. So that's a problem. Also, that's a

(40:44):
big problem for Opek and anyone who wants to see
oil stay close to one hundred dollars a barrel. That's
a major problem. So I think that's a big reason
why internationally Israel is backed in their crusade against Iran.
There's always multiple reasons for things. It's never just want
reason is always ah, of.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Course, of course, yeah, of course. I mean like there're
multiple reasons for a lot of things. I mean, like
an image, especially when you know, if we circle back
to the Kennedy assassination again, like he you know, he
was an advocate for peace. I mean, like he was
talking with Kruse Chef about you know, making peace and
you know, seeing.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
A world that where we we would be able.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
To have you know, peaceful outcomes, no wars like in Vietnam, and.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
You know, and just and that's why that's why the
right wing in America thought he was a communist because
they were very extreme. It was like communism's evil, you
don't negotiate with that, and if you do, you're a communist.
And that's kind of well, yeah, that was their attitude.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And and and how easy was it to planet that
on Oswald by him being an associate with you know,
like he was affiliated with with being in in the
Soviet Union, and so to tell the public of that
he had ties to the Soviet.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Union, you know, the public was extremely naive. They believe
the news they believe the radio and look there you go.
I mean, they don't need to question anything else.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
And then you've got dipshits like Dan Abram and these
other guys that are out there today still holding on
to the arling spector tree, which.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Is just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, and so I find the study of Oswald to
be way, way more fascinating than the study of the
Kennedy assassination. Maybe it's just I spent so long on it,
you know that the transition is refreshing. But the life
of Oswald is the biggest holy shit spy story I've
ever I've ever read. It's truly unbelievable, the stuff they

(42:39):
tried to pull off, and Robert Oswald being the lynchpin
in the middle keeping it all together, which is exactly
what he did. So his under his interactions with like
the other Marguerite and the other Lee started from what
I can tell, you know, the photo of the Bronx
zoo that all trip man, the whole era of New
York is wild, like all Robert Oswald testified all kinds

(43:01):
of stuff that definitely never happened, or that we're not
supposed to know happened. You know, he testified that Lee
Oswald went to fucking PS forty four in Manhattan. All
the school records say he went to PS forty four
in the Bronx. You know, Crazy John Armstrong thinks that
Oswald went that semester to Bourguard. I disagree with him
there is because I think he's basing his decision off

(43:23):
of the records, and the records are mostly fake, so
you can't really base the solid conclusion off of fake records,
you know what I mean? Because Oswald's school records are
definitely a compilation with a lot of missing.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
And would you say just just off that analysis itself
that you know, for being a twenty four year old,
he essentially lived a full life for being.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
A twenty four year old. Now when he died, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I've had this conver someone asked me that before, and
so I don't know, man, because when you look at
Oswald's life, he had a terrible childhood. He really did.
I mean, he never had much stability. The only stability
he ever had was when he was in like the
latter half of fourth grade, fifth grade, and sixth grade.
He was at the Victor Street address and he was
going to origele A West. That was the most stability

(44:04):
that guy ever had in his freaking life. You know.
From there, he goes to New York and he's bounced
all around between John Pick's apartment, the apartment on Sheridan,
then one seventy ninth in the Bronx. I mean, like,
so this guy never he bounced around. He went to
like fourteen different schools or something crazy like that. I mean,
not to mention, not to mention that in nineteen forty
five he had a mastoid ectomy on his left ear.

(44:27):
And when you get into Oswald's psych reports from Youth House,
it becomes pretty obvious that his lack of hearing in
his left ear is what caused him to be the
withdrawn person that he was. That, combined with bouncing around
different schools and never making any long term friends, that's
what created the Oswald withdrawn persona that we're told about.

(44:48):
But of course, the Oswald who we all know who
got arrested on November twenty second, he didn't have a
scar behind his left ear because he never had a mastoidectomy.
So you know, you got run into some interesting conflicts
like that too, right, Because Lee Oswald was in the
civil air patrol and for about two or three weeks
in the summer of nineteen fifty five, starting in July.

(45:09):
But everyone tries to say that David Ferry knew Lee
Oswald in New Orleans. Well, it ain't the same person.
So clearly that Lee Oswald did not know David Ferry,
you know what I mean. So most people get lost
when I start talking about the Oswald stuff, because most
people aren't exposed to it, and most people shun the
work of John Armstrong because John Armstrong came to some

(45:29):
really stupid conclusions he did. He came to really stupid
conclusions when it came to the assassination. He intertwined these
two Lee Oswalds all throughout the assassination plot, which was ridiculous.
You're not going to do that if you're the CIA.
Once you pull off your defection to Russia, which was
the whole point of the lifelong operation, you're done. You
get a new name and identity, and you move on. Right.

(45:49):
So the really Oswald had nothing to do with the
assassination New Orleans or none of that stuff. Post nineteen
sixty two, all I'd say post fifty nine, I'd say,
in fifty nine he disappeared off the face of the earth.
But that stuff is all very real. It's all extremely real.
And my new book is gonna show every single last
document and detail and photograph proving all this stuff. And

(46:10):
Robert Oswald and Lillian Morrett were in on it. Dorothea Marilyn,
Dorothea Morrett, she was in on it. I even have
a feeling that John Marshall Morett was in on this thing. So,
because there's a time in nineteen fifty what years in
Oswald's in at Sugi, now that then he goes to Taiwan,
and so this is like fifty seven fifty eight, which

(46:31):
is when we have the first sightings of Oswald at
Fister Dental Lab. Right, of course, the official Stori says
he worked there in fifty six before he went into
the Marines, but that's not possible. Everyone who was interviewed
from Fister Dental Lab were called Oswald working there in
fifty seven fifty eight. However, I can show through the
duty roster and the Marines, the daily records and the

(46:52):
pay records that Oswald was in two different places at once,
in at Sugi, like he was in at Sugi and
Taiwan at the exact same time, and someone was back
there working at Fister Dental Lab using the name of
Lee Oswald. That person was that person who used the
name Lee Oswald was staying at the Senator Hotel or
a boarding house next to the Senator Hotel, and Palmer

(47:14):
McBride had actually been brought to the Senator Hotel with
Oswald and met Oswald's mother. Now, this is where it
gets really interesting and in a place that John Armstrong
really screwed up. John Armstrong has the photograph of the
woman that Palmer McBride met, and he claims that this
woman is the false Marguerite Oswald, but he is dead wrong.
The photograph that he showed to Palmer McBride actually turns

(47:37):
out to be a photograph of Lillian Morrett. So when
Palmer McBride was working with Lee Oswald that Fister Denta
Lab and Lee Oswald brought him home to the boarding
house next to the Senator Hotel, he met Lillian Morrett.
So why would Lillian Morrett, who lives on French Street
be staying at the Senator Hotel with somebody named Lee

(47:57):
Oswald working at Fister Dental Lab. When I can prove
that there's two Oswald still in Marines, in Atzu yet
at the exact same time.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Okay, they do.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So let's okay, let's bring in a real quick because
I just want to I want to talk. I want
to jump ahead to Mexico City because you know, and
the reports of Oswald being there, is there a possibility
there were There may have been more than.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Two, like we're talking like three, four, five, six, maybe multiple.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Oh, I mean, it's always possible. But I can tell
you the person who went to the embassyes was Kerry Thornley,
like unquestionably Kerry Thornley, Carrie Thornley. Because Oswald was still
in New Orleans on the twenty sixth of September. So
Oswald is supposed to have been on a bus crossing
the border of the twenty sixth, and he arrived twenty
seventh at the hotel the twenty seventh at ten o'clock
in the morning. On the twenty sixth, Oswald was still

(48:46):
in New Orleans where we have the documents where he
closed out his po box and left the forwarding addressed
to the pain residents. So he wasn't on any bus
to Mexico City, and he didn't speak broken Russian or
we don't know. I still can't figure out the Russian
thing when he went to Russia. Do you know Oswald
never spoke Russian when he went to Russia.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
No, I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
None of the friends who knew him there said they said,
he didn't know. He didn't speak Russian all the friend
who new him there said, didn't speak Russian. How to hell?
You're gonna speak Russian fluently in the Marines and then
go to Russia not speak Russian, and then you come
back from Russia and you speak fluent Russian again. See,
that's another thing that doesn't make sense at all.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, and that would obviously debunk the crazy, wild stuff
that Judith very Baker says.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
She's a total nutcase. She's a total fraud. I didn't
even know. I don't even acknowledge her.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Like.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah. The only thing that he ever said that ever
possibly rang true with me was she said that Carrie
Thornley was in love with Marina. I don't know how
she'd know that. I don't know how you know, Kerry Thornley,
I don't know how she know Oswald. None of the
stuff she says about Oswald seems to fit any of
the timeline stuff we know about him, but hey, that's
part for the course at this point, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, No, it's interesting because again you mentioned earlier about
you know, theories and people stay can claim things. Now
I want to kind of go into a very interesting
topic here. We've talked about Roscoe White before, you know,
and obviously that you said that's a dead end, but
I'm interested in hearing your take about that, especially with

(50:13):
the locker that he had, with the cables and the
information that his son Ricky provided.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah's weird stuff. I can't seem to It doesn't connect
to anything like I can't. I know, he got hired
for a very brief time after the assassination, was that,
I think, And he worked there for like a month
or something like that, right at Dallas Police. But it's strange,
but I can't connect that to any other fluid part
of the assassination, you know. So the backyard photographs were

(50:42):
definitely fakes. It was definitely carry Thornley, even what was
his name, Brochears, Brocheers slept with Kerry Thornley, and Brocheers
told Garrison clearly the man in the photograph he knows
that body, and that body is carry Thornley. That's what
Brocheer's told to get Garrison. Marina swear she took those pictures,

(51:03):
but we all know Oswald. Oswald never had the rifle,
like never. The whole thing was fake. The money order
is fake. The money order were told that he said,
is a fake. And we know this because it has
ink bleed through that when you stamped the front of
it's got the date stamp on the front. That ink
bled through and you can see it visible on the
back of the money order. That an a because money

(51:25):
orders back then were on card stock, they were not
done on paper.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
So well, and I don't know if you watched that
Broca interview that she did, and she basically just laid
it out, like you know, she really didn't even have.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
A chance to even explain her truth at the particular time.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
So I don't even know if she even said she
took that backyard photo.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I mean, like maybe you know, if you can corroborate that.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, oh yeah she said she did, and yeah she
says she didn't. They have the camera and all that stuff,
but it's totally totally false that the photograph was doctored.
I mean it was totally fake, absolute Carrie. So when
you when once you put together the dots and guys
it was Kerry Thornley in Mexico City, then you follow
the trail. Nobody saw Oswald on a bus leaving out

(52:07):
of Mexico City, nobody, And so he was never on
a bus. There was a bus ticket bought, but the
ticket that he bought was empty, So nobody had named
Oswald ever got on a bus to leave Mexico City
to go out to Laredo or wherever they went. But
then you have about three days of sightings of Oswald
driving a car with a woman who had a baby. Okay,

(52:29):
there's only one war person that could be, and that
is definitely Marina. And once you realize that Marina and
Oswald and Thornley were all seen together in New Orleans
by the neighbors. The neighbors saw Thornley over at Oswald's
place so often they were confused as to who she
was married to. Okay, so we have the concrete witnesses
seeing the relationship there. And so then when you realize

(52:51):
carry Thornty went to Mexico, it becomes obvious that it
was him and Marina, who went all through Alice, Texas.
He tried to get a job at the radio station.
He was seen at a diner asking about employment opportunities.
And then you have Oswald on October third, allegedly staying
at the YMCA. I don't know if I totally bought
by that or not. I don't know if I buy

(53:11):
that Oswald stayed at the YMCA and the third, but
he most certainly didn't go to Mexico City. He didn't go,
you know, trolloping around through Alice, Texas. There's a couple
other small cities that people saw him on the way
back there. So it's really interesting stuff. But Marina was
in on the on the setup from the jump. I
believe he was a Russian spy. They knew Oswald was
a spy, so they sent him back with a spy,

(53:33):
and I think that pissed off a lot of people
in intelligence, like what the hell you do? And bringing
this woman back here, you know, yeah, and they had
to deal with her right away. So we don't have
any documentation really, you know, of Oswald being debrief or
any of that stuff. I mean, he spent a couple
of days in New York City before going to Fort Worth.
Some stuff must have happened up there because he was
in touch with all kinds of like aid organizations and

(53:53):
the Red Cross and like who the fuck comes from
Moscow in New York and calls the Red Cross for money?
I guess weird, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Well, yeah, not only that, but he he also talked
to John Connolly about you know, was it receiving benefits
or was it talking about being honorably discharged?

Speaker 3 (54:12):
That was all on the discharge stuff. But I find
more interesting the relationship with Fred Korth, who facilitated every
step of Oswald's getting out of the Marines getting back
from the Soviet Union. Fred Krth was a part of
Oswald's life going back to the divorce between Ekdahl and

(54:32):
Marguerite Oswald. Because Fred Korth, who would go on to
be the Secretary of the Navy before John Connolly, he
was the one who handled ek Doll's side of the
divorce from Marguerite. Then you have Fred Korth popping up
several times in the old Oswald story, like the house
at two two too zero Thomas Place. Two to zero

(54:53):
Thomas Place was owned by a woman named Mary McCarthy,
who was a very close personal friend of Fred Corth.
And we can say with certainty that the false Marguerite
lived there no less than three times going back to
nineteen forty five. So this again brings up the real
estate network. I keep coming up what appears to be
a covert series of safe houses, including two to two

(55:15):
zero Thomas Place, Robert Oswald's house on Davenport one, twenty
six Exchange Place. Like all these addresses are suspiciously convenient
for these people to move into, like for me, the
Davenport one is the biggest shocker. So Robert Oswald eventually
lives on Davenport in Fort Worth. He buys the house
in like July of fifty seven. Oswald is seen at

(55:40):
that house when he's supposed to be in New Orleans
in nineteen fifty five. The January to June semester nineteen
fifty five, Oswald is supposed to be at Boreguard. I
have multiple witnesses who put him at Monic Junior High School.
I have a photograph of the class photo with Oswald,
and you can't really tell it it's Oswald, but you
can see the hairline is identical to the Boreguard photo,
which confusing onto itself. So the Boreguard stuff is interesting

(56:04):
because you have Oswald starts Boreguard January of fifty four,
and he meets a woman named Myra drus LaRue who
is his homeroom teacher, but she's really a girl's physical
education teacher, and she becomes friends with Oswald and she's
there when the piano fell on him, and she then
drives him home in early fifty four to one twenty

(56:27):
six Exchange Place. But the official story is that they
didn't move in there un till June of fifty five, right,
But then I have letters from Marguerite to John Pick
in October and November of fifty four where she uses
one twenty six Exchange Place as the return address. So
clearly we're dealing with the two Oswald's at one address.
This is the second time they've done this. They did
this at one oh one San Saba when Marguerite Oswald

(56:49):
and Lee lived there for about nine months up till
Thanksgiving forty seven. And then Marguerite and Lee will move
in there summer of forty eight, right with John Pick
and Robert Oswald. So they did this, and then we
have the neighbor Georgia Bell, who identified the false Marguerite
as being the Marguerite who lived there who was a nurse.
But Marguerite Oswald, the real Marguerite Oswald was never trained

(57:09):
as a nurse. That's the crazy part.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
See this is crazy because to me, it sounds like
they were monitoring Oswald like they were.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
So here's a great example in this in nineteen fifty
five Oswald. Well, this isn't official story stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
But real quick, real quick, quick, Corey, why would they
be monitoring him back that early?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I mean, that just kind of blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
I don't understand unless it had something to do with intelligence.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, it was. This is an intelligence identity transfer operation.
That's Oswald's whole life, starting in forty five. The earliest
incidents I have are in forty five.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
And then you have like that sort of like a
isn't that kind of on par with like a grooming
type aspect about you pick somebody and you groom them.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
To That's just that's insane.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
This is an intelligence based family. And this becomes brutally
obvious when you study Lillian Morrett and Marilyn Morrett. They're spooks.
I found documents showing that both of them flew in
September fifty four. Marilyn Morrett gets her passport July of
fifty four. Then her and her mother fly to an
Air Force base in Bermuda, a Kindley Air Force Base.

(58:17):
I have the documents I found on like ancestry or
something like that. We weren't stationed, We didn't have a
presence there. In nineteen fifty four. We kind of sort
of did, but it wasn't like a real station. It
was really being it was housing British troops and there
was some other troops there, and the American intelligence or
American Air Force presence there was very minimal. So why

(58:38):
the fuck are Lilian and Maryland flying to an air
Force base in nineteen fifty four, and why didn't it
come up in the Warrant Commission? And then I have
a document showing that in nineteen fifty five Lilian Morett
flew not only to Canada, but she also flew to
Cuba in nineteen fifty five. Why wasn't this brought up
at the Warren Commission. They never asked her about any

(58:59):
of this stuff. He's just supposed to be some fucking
housewife who just sits at home all day like literally,
but what you do in flying to Cuba in fifty
five and then not ever, no one ever talks about
it like this is the stuff that I need answers for.
This to me is more important than anything like this
will connect us to who the real handlers and the
Oswald operation are, of which I'm convinced Fred Korth is

(59:20):
most certainly one of them. So yeah, but what's the
connection between this Oswald operation and the assassination? Your guess
as good as mine, other than somebody was involved in
both because they had to have known about Oswald to
notice set him up right, But I think that they
thought they were solving multiple problems by having him killed
when really they opened Pandora's box. It was a big
mistake setting up Oswalden.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yes, and I can agree with that.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I mean, I I think if they were able, okay,
And that's one thing I just want to touch about. Also,
is tip it I mean, and was he supposed to
kill Oswald? I mean, was was that his particular rule?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
But I know he was waiting for that bus. He
sat at that Gloco station for fifteen minutes. He leaves
daily plaza. He's seen by Velma talking to David Ferry
behind the book depository. He from there they go meet
behind a building. From there they head over to Tipic,
goes to the Gloco and he waits for like fifteen minutes.
That bus he was waiting for was the bus Oswald

(01:00:21):
was alleged to have gotten on. But Oswald didn't get
on any bus that day, But that's still the same
bus line. Happened to be the same bus line that
Helen Markham was leaving her house to get on, which
also helps isolate the timing of it. But yeah, he was.
I believe he was supposed to meet somebody getting off
that bus. But I think he was set up because

(01:00:42):
I think the people who did this knew nobody was
going to be getting off of that bus, because nobody
got on the fucking bus in the first place. The
whole story but Oswald and the bus falls apart when
you study the statements of everybody involved, you know, from
Cecil McWaters to Mary Bledsoe. Yeah, Mary Budda wasn't even
on the fucking bus. Her whole statement was coached in
a lie. She talks about seeing Oswald on the bus

(01:01:03):
with his brown shirt with the hole in the elbow
and the buttons ripped off and stuff. But that didn't
happen for another hour and a half after the bus ride,
right when he's at the Texas Theater. So her testimony
was a lie. All coached. She read from notes, and
the notes were prepared by Forrest Saurels.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
So yeah, that's interesting, but it's just tip was when you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Talk about Markham real quick, markam the quote unquote witness.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Of the shooting, I mean that she just was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yeah, she's a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Mess, I mean a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
And and when I when I think I washed her
interviews with Mark Lane and and and you know just
how she was so easy to be intimidated, and how
she would change things, and just she's about as unreliable
as it was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah. So the only three witnesses you need to hear
from are Achila Clemons, Frank Wright, and Doris Holand those
three witnesses tell the entire tale of what happened to Tippot.
He was shot by two men, not by one. One
of the guys was wearing a blue suit with a
coat that ended just above his hands, and he was
driving a gray early fifties Plymouth, the same plymouth seen

(01:02:08):
by Velma behind the book depository. David Ferry was one
of the two shooters on the knoll, or possibly the
knoll in the tunnel. I'm still working that out. I
got my guys on that one right now. And so
because Blenty might have been in the tunnel, I'm starting
to lean in that direction because that would explain why
Ed Hoffman never saw him. But from there David Ferry
heads to the tip of shooting where he's parked behind

(01:02:28):
Tippet facing the opposite direction. Okay, so after Carrie Thornley
is driven to the Tippit Shooting by Westbrook and Croy,
he shoot. He starts talking to him through the triangular window.
And you got to remember earlier that morning at the
Top ten record store, Tippitt went into Top ten to
use the phone and allegedly Oswald quote unquote was there

(01:02:48):
that morning, but was at Oswald. Of course it wasn't Oswald.
Oswald is still in Fort Worth all morning by my calculations.
So to me, it was pretty obvious the man that
Tippett saw at the Top ten that morning was Mary Thornley,
not Oswald, because Kerry Thornley was the one impersonating Oswald
all over Dallas, and so from there you have tipic

(01:03:10):
It shot three times by Thornley as per Doris holand
the other guy who was there was a you know,
stocky wearing a blue suit, black felt hat. Just like
at the tip of shooting, I mean, just like at
the at the knoll seen by Ed Hoffman and David
Ferry delivers the final coup de gras to tip It
and then he reloads his gun on the scene and
drops the shells. Why would he do that? You don't

(01:03:33):
drop shells from a revolver. The whole point of a
revolver is you don't drop the shells, right, So why
would he do that? Why would he be reloading his
gun like Akuila Clements said he was, well obviously because
he had to plant the shells, right. So I kind
of feel like that gun at some point in time
made its way to the cops before they got to
the Texas Theater, right, That would only make sense. So

(01:03:59):
but from there, I believe he goes to us up
on Belmont and Fort Worth, the house that Kenneth Glenn
Wilson got arrested out of that David Wayne House was
on his way to you know that story, right, so
David Wayne House, I'm pretty convinced was up on the
bridge with Robert Bernard Baker. And Robert Bernard Baker didn't
end up shooting, but there was witnesses who saw a

(01:04:19):
rifle up on the overpass from there. We have a
witness who saw a black car take off from behind
the grass room behind the overpass.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
There's literally a photo of that. We talked about that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
There's a photo of either a shooter or a spotter
that's on that overpass and there's people off to the
left looking at that. I mean, I know you saw
that photo prior. Yeah, but my god, that photo blew
my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I just could not believe what I was seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
The big fact, the big fat guy in the white
shirt on the overpass is Robert Bernard Baker. That's a
three hundred and fifty pound guy. And there's only one
three hundred fifty pound guy in the cast of characters
who was making alibi phone calls night before, you know
what I mean? So really, yes, yes, and I believe
it was David Wayne House who took his rifle and
got into a black car left there. From there. He

(01:05:11):
does a car swap somewhere, because by the time he
gets to the house on Belmont, he's in a green car.
So at that house when the cops show up there,
they call out that there is also a light colored
Ford Falcon on scene. The light colored Ford Falcon is
the vehicle scene driven by David Ferry when he gets
to ham In Louisiana by Thomas Compton. So from what

(01:05:34):
I've concluded, after Ferry is involved in the tip of shooting,
he flees to the house on Belmont and Fort Worth.
He ditches the car, which is owned by Carl Mather
of Collins Radio, and he picks up the light colored
Ford Falcon and he makes his way that night to
hamm and Louisiana, where we have a document in the
Garrison files that a student at Southeastern told Garrison that

(01:05:58):
Ferry hit out that night in the dorm, which totally
throws the whole story about him being in court with
Carlos Marcello out the window, him going to pick up
you know, Melvin Coffee quote unquote Melvin Coffee just an
alias for Leyton Martin's, and he picks up bow Boof
and then they had you know, to Vinton to talk
to what was his name, Mary and James Johnson, and

(01:06:18):
then they head to Houston where they go to the Alamotel.
There is an incident at the alam Motel. I need
to do some more digging into because if I'm not mistaken,
they actually I remember this from a document, I have
to go dig it up. They actually drove directly to
the to the Winterland, and they did something at the
Winterland before they went to the Alamotel. Now, this would
totally jive with my idea that the short tramp, Vincent

(01:06:42):
Calton Geron Junior was driven from Houston back down to
the Winterland because the Winterland was run by his first cousin,
Mary Booths Roberts, and it was owned by Lyndon Johnson.
And Vincent Calter Geron is also the former brother in
law of Jack Valenti, who was married to Jack Valenti's sister.
So to me, all these pieces kind of made sense.
Why would they go to the winter Well to bring
Vincent there? Obviously, so they go to allegedly David Ferry

(01:07:04):
was not fairy, it's Sergey Arcata. But they go to
Houston and they allegedly stay at the alam Motel. Then
they go to the Winterland and then they make a
bunch of calls. But when you really analyze their behavior,
what you'll find is that the Alamotel was directly next
to another place, and David Ferry had testified or said
to the FBI. They went to the bell Air Skating Rink. Well,
the bell Air Skating Rink had been knocked down in

(01:07:26):
nineteen fifty nine. There was no bell Air skating rink.
Had to fuck Dave Ferry noo about the bell Air
when there was no bell Air, not for at least
through about three years, four years so. But on top
of the bell Air was built the Gateway Swim and Skate,
and the Gateway Swim and Skate would later go on
to become the Downtown Houston YMCA. The Downtown Houston YMCA
employed Vincent called the Geron Junior who sat on the

(01:07:48):
border directors of the YMCA scuba program. So what does
this tell me? The reason for the phone calls to
the Gateway and the reason they visited the Gateway had
nothing to do with scope out and it had to
do one hundred percent with Vincent caltagerone junior. What they
were doing with him or why? I don't know, but
he is the common link between all of those subjects.

(01:08:09):
And when you realize that the Winterland is just a
CIA front owned by Lyndon Johnson, it becomes pretty far
for the course at this point that the whole thing
was another staged event.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
You know, mm wow, A lot to really chew on.
And when it comes to all that type of stuff, man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I just are not only the beginning because like, oh no.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I I I dude, I'm I'm totally.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Like Roland Rowland isn't Roland Roland. Everyone talks about Roland Roland.
That's not his name. His real name is Rulan Roland.
Why they lied about it, I don't know. But he's
married to Joyce Roland, who is really aka Mary Boots Roberts.
Why Mary Boots Roberts felt the need to change her identity,
you know, before the assassination, I really don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Well, there's a lot of like you said earlier, there's
a lot of coincidences when it comes to things. I mean, yeah,
we're talking probably millions of different coincidences that kind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Of added up to this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
But you know, I think it's important to discuss also
the quick movement of Hoover and how him and john
Not Yeah, Johnson and and the CIA. They they wanted
to coordinate the lone gum and theory right away to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Sell the public.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
And you know, and that's where I you know, I
made a post the other day about Proudy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Now, I know proud he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Was full of shit most of the time, but I
think one of one of the comments that he made
specifically about when he was in New Zealand getting that
newspaper like right away, about the details about Oswald and
everything like that, I mean, they they really wanted to
hammer this down worldwide and just kind of bury it

(01:09:43):
and and leave it behind. Your take on that Mockingbird
aspect of everything aligning together with this one particular story
starting with it with the Mauser story, which we know
we talked about last week, so we don't have to
cover that, but just in general about this lone gunman
right away, just bury it behind us and let's go

(01:10:05):
with that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Well, you had to think Hoover was well aware of Oswald,
I mean, in what was it, nineteen sixty, So they
have that memo from sixty where Hoover's talking about how
someone might be using Oswald's identity or birth certificate or whatever.
That document is largely taken out of context. They didn't
have any specific information as somebody was doing that, but
they had lost contact with Oswald. So by them even

(01:10:27):
saying in their own document that they lost contact with Oswald,
we can assume that they had contact with Oswald prior
to that, right, so they were obviously in constant contact
with him, and when they lost contact with him. The
memo basically to Hoover initially stated we've lost contact with Oswald.
He has his birth certificate with him. So because he
had his birth certificate with him and they lost contact

(01:10:48):
with him, it was a big, you know, question mark
to them, and they're like, somebody could be using his identity.
We don't know that's the contact. Proper context of that document,
they didn't have anything specific about somebody using his identity.
Really won't occur until sixty one at Bolton Ford, when
Oswald is still over in the Soviet Union. But as
far as Hoover goes, I need to bring this up
because this is very important. One of Oswald's jobs, not

(01:11:10):
on the official story, but one of the jobs that
John Armstrong dug up was official. He's supposed to have
worked at JR. Michael's company doing like office work, and
he allegedly only worked there for like out of a
two week period. He worked there one week and he
never came to guy his check or and nothing like that.
When the FBI the day after the assassination to twenty third,

(01:11:30):
they go to talk to JR. Michael's company and they're like,
they're laughing, They're like, we don't know what you're talking about.
Oswald never worked here, and they said, you need to
check your records for these dates, and they checked him
for those dates and they found Oswald's employment history at JR. Michaels.
Hoover knew about that. When JR. Michaels didn't know about that,
that's fucking crazy. That means that Hoover was in the

(01:11:52):
loop going back to at least nineteen fifty five with
Oswald specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
No, I agree with that, because again, there is documentation
in nineteen sixty with his concerns about I mean, there
is documentation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Proven that they were monitoring Oswald. So yeah, I mean,
it wouldn't surprise me in nineteen fifty five they were monitoring.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
So another thing is interesting a friend of mine, Diana Thomas,
who is an Oswald researcher. Also she in going over
All my stuff and the address is the ch chronological
addresses I came up with. She found that almost every
one of the addresses that Oswald lived at growing up
was on the same street as either an orphanage or

(01:12:40):
an asylum, usually Catholic or Lutheran. That I don't know
what the relationship is here, or if there is one
at all, but that is a fascinating piece of data
for me to think that that would have been a
perfect place to coordinate, especially especially dealing with the identity
of this other Margarite Oswald right because there's a mendication

(01:13:02):
that she had had some psychological counseling. She made some
statements to the Warrant Commission about a lifetime of therapy
or something like that, and this kind of correlates with
my suspect some of my suspects on who that woman
actually is. One person I think is really important that
nobody ever talks about is Pearl CLAVERI I think her

(01:13:25):
last I think when she died, her last name was Winfrey.
This is Marguerite Oswald's sister who died at the Jackson
Mental Hospital in Louisiana in August of sixty three. For
some reason, the whole Oswald Clinton story, Something in the

(01:13:46):
back of my mind tells me there's a connection between
the Oswald Clinton voter registration stuff and Pearl Claverrei's death
at Jackson. And I say that because when you come
to understand the Clinton incident, and it wasn't Oz, it
was Kerry Thornley, you come to realize it was Kerry
Thornley because of the series of events leading up to that. First,
he had the incident at the barber shop right with

(01:14:07):
the Barbara McGhee, where Oswald never needed a haircut, but
he goes in to get a haircut anyway, tries to
talk to him about getting a job at the How
do I go back getting a job at the Jackson
Mental Institution up the road here he goes, Oh, you
need to go talk to Reeves Morgan. Reeves Morgan is
the local representative. So then Oswald is seen going to
Reeves Morgan's house and he's driving a car with a
woman and a baby in the backseat. Duh, Once again

(01:14:29):
we got carry Thornley and Marine Oswald. You know, setting
Oswald up, But this time he's trying to get a
job at the Jackson Mental Institution. Why the fuck is
he doing that in October of sixty three. Why is
he trying to get a job at a place where
his mother or his aunt died three months earlier. This
never made any sense to me at all. Putting together

(01:14:52):
the fact that it wasn't Oswald was kind of easy.
But the why of the whole matter doesn't make any sense.
I mean, it was all about getting a voter registration
so we could be considered a a constituent of Reeves Morgan,
because then Reeves Morgan would give him a recommendation to
the hospital to get the job. That's why he did
the whole thing in the first place, because Reeves Morgan
told me needed to be a constituent. That's why the
whole voter registration incident happened in the first place. But

(01:15:12):
to me, him trying to attempt to get a job
at Jackson and Pearl CLEAVERI just died there like two
months earlier. Nah, Nah, there's something up there. There's something
is There's a lot of smoke there. I can't say
there's any fire, But to me, it's too coincidental. And
remember there's no coincidences in history. So no, there's something
up there and hopefully one day can piece together some stuff.

(01:15:33):
There's a lot of New Orleans stuff where I can
see visible what I call potholes where there should be data,
but there is no data, you know. So yeah, there's
a lot more in New Orleans and what was going
on there than even what I've uncovered.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah, yeah, you know. And I want to just circle
back to the media again one more. I mean, it's
just even today. I mean, one thing that you know,
social media exposed was the mocking Bird aspect of the media.
In my opinion, that went all the way from I
would I would say from the Korean more basically, or

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maybe you might.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Yeah, that's about right. Well, I guess the real Mockingbird
was in fifty three. I'm not mistaken. But like, so,
the cover for Mockingbird was that it was they were
trying to oust a couple of spies who were working
for like the New York Times or something like that.
That like the cover story, right, But you know, in
the modern era, I don't even think Mockingbird applies at
the same level. They're not out there recruiting journalists. All

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they got to do is get a network. And once
you got the network, you got everybody. And so that's
kind of how things function today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Well back then, back then, they had templates for these
these news networks to you know, pretty much say what
they were going to say. I mean, like and they
could have different diagrams like, but it would all be
back to the same narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
So it's just interesting that, you know, you know, one
of one of Kronkites interviews, he he actually talked about
there being a conspiracy. I mean, like in his whole
life he talked about there not being a conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
So you know, it's just interesting how a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
These guys, I mean, you know, I got a bone
to pick with people, you know, like Heraldo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Heraldo had the Good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Night America, you know, and and he had he had
Groden on there, and he had Dick Gregory and they
presented the Suprudo tape and then today he's just like, nope, nope,
there was just a long gum and all this other
type of stuff. And you know, I feel like with Heraldo,
he had to he had to keep that narrative for

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him to have a career.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Right, Yep, that's pretty much how it goes. And and
have you ever seen Doug Horn's interview of Dino Brugioni
on the Zuppruter film.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I have not. I'm gonna have to get into that tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
It's like it's like eight hours long. It's amazing, It's
truly amazing. So Dino Brugioni is a kind of scumbag.
Dino Brugioni was a CIA photo analyst. He was directly
responsible for faking the Auschwitz aerial photographs in the nineteen
seventies that the CIA has since admitted were fakes. So
Dino Brugioni was The Zapruv film wasn't supposed to show

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up at CIA headquarters until Sunday, but he received it
on Saturday. He worked on it all day long. He
made these big like photo boards where you take still
images and print them out really big and put them
on a like a board, like a school project or something.
He did all that stuff. And basically he tells Doug
hornon Yeah, the video that you're looking at the Zupruter film,
He's like, I don't know what the hell that is

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that's not what I saw. So that's a great, great interview.
But Dino Brugioni is, he worked for the CIA, and
he's a professional liar, so you got to take some
of what he says with a grain of salt. But overall,
it's pretty obvious that the Zapruter film was tampered with
and that the version he saw had Kennedy making the
left hand turn. It was no cut, none of that stuff.
So really fascinating, really fascinating. Doug Horn has done some

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really good work on Zapruter, for sure. I know what
he's talking about. That there's evidence that there's two headshots
from the front. That doesn't seem to me to be
possible at all, So.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
You know, I I but I feel like doctor Curtis
actually gave a good presentation to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
His best abilities for being that old. I mean, like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
He he really I applaud him. I mean he was
my favorite part of those hearings. He just came out
and he said what he saw.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
You know again the Parkland doctors. Man, they got a
bad rap. They got they got threatened, they got.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
You know, you name it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
I mean, these guys went through Helen back and it's
just it makes you appreciate them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
A lot more.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Yeah, I mean, he was definitely shot in the head
from the front, and he most likely was shot in
the head from the back, which probably came from the
dal techs. So but yeah, I don't know how. I
can't put anybody else in front with a rifle of
them pier but just doesn't appear that he shot it
is no evidence. It doesn't appear like he did it all,

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you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
So yeah, well, and that refused the story about the
silly stories about the you know, secret Service shooting him
and all that type of stuff, which.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Yeah, like the yeah, you know it's funny the guy
who made that film, the uh heavy Man's the rich
Man's Trick film or whatever whatever. It's Yeah, he is
the nicest guy in the world. I actually had some
I did a show with him, and I actually ended
up having some off air conversations with him. The nicest
fucking guy in the world. But his work is just
so irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
It's you know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
You know, it's crazy, Corey I I and I talked
to my friend about this the other night that I
feel the same way about Gerald Posner.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
I met him in Portland over at Palace Books.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
No, he's clearly CIA. His first book was on the
fucking Children of the s S or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Yeah, you no, No, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
But but when it comes to just personally like the
person like he's just a really nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
I don't agree with anything he says.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
It's so funny because I actually comment that he posted
something on Kennedy Want within the past couple of months
and I commented I on YouTube and I said, Posna
works for the CIA. Ask him how he got the
addresses of the children of the SS because he did
out of nowhere. These people were supposed to be hidden
from the world and he came up with their addresses.
I wonder how he deleted my comment within like twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Yeah, I'm not. It's just crazy because you know, back
to the Marina interview real quick. She she's you know,
just you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Know, dragon Posner around when it when it comes to
you know, his information, when he was there, and I
think it was Larry Howard was the one that was
with her, and he got upset in the interview and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Stormed out off off Brokaw.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
But yeah, I mean again, it's interesting that only Gerald
Posner can actually have all this access to things and
come up with a definitive case closed, you know, and
he brainwashed several you know, several million, maybe million people
about it, and you know, you get the people that
are just there, they're so steadfast in a lone gunman theory,

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and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Just it's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
It is impossible if you're a rational human being and
you watched it, does the Bruder tapress by itself or
even just there's no way it was. It was a
loan gunman, and for people to buy into that for
so many years, it's just predictable.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Well, they found like five rifles in Dearly Plaza that day,
So they found they got the Mauser, they got the carcano,
they found a Mauser on the roof of the depository.
They found there's a picture of one of the detectives
coming out with a Remington or what else was there.
There's the gun that was found by the lawn crew

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that was traced back to Lauren Hall and uh yeah,
and and Richard Halfcock in Los Angeles, right, they found
like at least five rifles that day in Deally Plaza.
So you know, it's so It's hilarious when people try
to say, loan gunman, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
And also and that's not even the rifle or not
even the guns that they you know, the gun and
themselves actually took with them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Yeah, I'm convinced. I'm convinced at this point that the
gun that shot Kennedy in the head is the gun
that they took off of Buell Frasier, the Enfield three
oh three. Convinced of that because the magic bullet was
not a fucking pointed It was not a round tip carcano.
It was a pointed tip three oh three round that
was planted. It was found by Darryl Tomlinson and op Wright,

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who told what was that book, Six Seconds in Dallas.
I forget that guy's name, Josiah Thompson. Josiah Thompson wrote
six Seconds in Dallas. He interviewed those guys, and both
of those guys said the bullet was appointed tip three
oh three round, which makes perfect sense if Kennedy was
shot with a three oh three and then they planted that.
But then they the FBI swapped it because it goes
from those two guys to Richard Johnson of the Secret Service.

(01:23:44):
Richard Johnson hands it over to the head, the head
of the Secret Service, and then he hands it directly
over to Hoover. And so it is from there that
they will send people back to interview. The FBI will
send people back to interview Tomlinson and right, and they
the FBI report says they positively identified the Carcano round

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as the Magic bullet, but that statement was fake. The
whole thing was was a setup. Right, So because it
was fought by the FBI ultimately from an infield three
h three round, which is, like I said, I'm convinced
that the rifle they took off of Fraser is the
one that killed Kennedy. And actually I have my guys
try to get a hold of Dallas and find the rifle.
And Dallas police doesn't know where that rifle is. They

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have no record of it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Well, of course they don't know where it is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I mean like they don't nobody has record of anything anymore.
It just seems like it's it's ridiculous. But yeah, no,
I mean getting back to just that particular end, you
know that that day and how everything kind of built
up to it. We forget how fast it happened. It
just happened in like pretty much a couple of seconds.

(01:24:49):
You know, it seems like it was an eternity with
how you know, it was really really quick, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Was basically a military operation. Boom boom, boom boom done.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
The one thing that surprised me though, is that in
the setup, they gave these guys a lot of freedom
to do a lot of things on their own. Like
when you realize that it was Kerrie Thornley who had
the flyers printed in New Orleans at Jones Printing, not Oswald,
and you realize that he was the one handling Oswald
to do all the Cuban stuff or the communist stuff
down there, it becomes pretty obvious to me, at least

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about all the connections that he had in Dallas and
what he was doing in Dallas. Oh sorry, I lost
my train that thought there for a second. What were
we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
We were talking about just I mean, I was talking
about the split second.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Basically, it was like, you know a couple of seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
When the incident happened, and then you derived onto right right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
So this brings me to where everything seems to have
been planned down to like the minute, right, like the
cops pulling up at the boarding house and Carrie Thornley
leaving the boarding house within a minute. Right, that's not coincidence.
Had to be a plan to a tee. But problem I have.
I'll give you another example of like a weird, interesting
discrepancy that needs more research. When you look at the
statements of William Whaley and when he dropped off Oswald

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allegedly near the boarding house. There's a huge time gap
between when and where he dropped him off and when
he shows up at the boarding house, which is by
my calculation, somewhere between like ten to twelve minutes. It
was only like a minute walk, It was like three blocks.
So where the fuck did he go for fifteen minutes?

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
So this to me opens up the door for there
being another safe house in that area because Kerry Thornley
is nowhere. He's not the guy who caught a ride
in the cab. Oswald didn't catch a ride in the cab.
I don't know who the hell caught a ride in
the cab. I just don't like it's a mystery to me.
One thing that William Whaley said about his cab driver,
a boy his passenger was that on his coat, he
thought it was he had a thick coat on and

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on the coat it was like had a chalky material. Well,
the chalky material seems to have come from the book
depository when they were doing the floor, because other guys
had that chalky material on them also, So how to
hell Who the hell is this guy who got a
chalky material on his coat, who obviously was in the
book depository, who then catches the cab is definitely not Oswald? Right,
Who the fuck is that? I don't know. I don't

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have any idea, you know, So that's another mystery, right,
But there's a time gap of like ten minutes at
least when he drops this person off and when they
show up at and when kry Thornley shows up at
the boarding house at least ten to twelve minutes minimum,
So where the fuck did he go for that time period?
This would make sense that there was another boarding house there,
because carry Thornley would have been hanging out all day
waiting for someone to show up to give him the

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signal to go to the boarding house to meet at
exactly one o'clock when the cops show up, So they
had to have coordination between the cops who knew to
be there at one o'clock and Kerry Thorny who knew
to be there at one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
So combine this with the delay between the walk from
the cab to the house, and you got an obvious
second safe house in the area somewhere. Not to mention
the fact that William Whaley when he talked to the News,
he didn't give ten twenty six as the destination address.
He gave ten eighteen North Beckley as the detonation address,
and that's directly next door. Makes you wonder did he

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know something?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Which is crazy because I think about this very twilight zone,
like you know, then you go to the movie theater, right,
and you're in the movie theater, and then there's the
second Oswald in the balcony, which is just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
It's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Well, it makes sense when you go through the series
of events because Oswald entered the theater between one and
one oh seven. As for Butch Burrows, so he's in
the theater at the exact moment that Tippet's getting killed, right,
So he's in there. He's doing the hop around thing
looking for his contact, meets with his contact, buys popcorn
at exactly one point fifteen, goes insist back down and

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he's there for another forty minutes. He doesn't think anything's
going on. If he thought he was getting set up,
he would have been long out of there. He would
have gotten the hell out of there. The pregnant woman
must have told him to wait and watch the rest
of the movie. But then you have the whole series
of events that happens from the tip of shooting, which
then goes over to the secondhand junk Shop on Jefferson
where allegedly this person who resembled Oswald's Kerry Thornley, but

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this person looked like Oswald. They attempt to go up
to the second floor of the secondhand junk Shop on Jefferson,
they can't get in. You're He's seen by Dorothy A
Dean at Dean's Dairy Way. She sees him take the
jacket and throw it onto the tire rack, not under
a car. Missus Dean then goes and retrieves the jacket
and holds onto it till she gives it to the
cops like forty five minutes later. So that's a jacket

(01:29:26):
anomaly we have now. But from the secondhand junk shop
carry Thornley will then go to the Abundant Life Temple
where the cops show up there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
But he yeah, and this would refute the Larry Crawford
jacket right from California, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
So, and that's what I initially thought.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
I thought that Larry Crawford was the one that was
at the scene with Jack Ruby that shot.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Yeah, I went down that road too, and it just
ended up dead ends because you got Jack Ruby right
now is over at Parkland Hospital right while Samuel Ruby
is making his way over to the hallway of the
Dallas Police Department. That's where that went down.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
So real quick on the double Ruby scenario with the
brothers there. So you believe it was coordinated that Samuel
had one role and Jack had the then Jack would
be the guy that would actually pull the trigger to
kill Oswald when the day came.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Right, And I believe it was Samuel who bought the
money orders because Jack Ruby was seen in the basement
going back to like nine point thirty in the morning,
so yeah, he was seen there that early, so he
was there the whole time, so he couldn't have bought
money orders. It was his brother who bought the money orders.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Hmm. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
It was his brother who was in the hallway at
the Dallas Police Department. It was his brother who was
at the midnight press conference. It was his brother in
the background of the Dallas Morning News at about twelve
forty five pm where he's photographed talking on the phone.
We know it's not Jack Ruby because Jack Ruby doesn't
have a left index finger and Samuel Ruby does. And
that's the dead giveaway because Samuel Ruby's left index fingers
extended the length of the telephone. Really, Jack Ruby's finger

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was bit off like ten years previous in a bar fight.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
So mm, yep, wow, Well you learn stuff. I mean,
it's just it's crazy. Your wealth and knowledge is just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Well, the thing that kind of drove me nuts is
as I'm going through all this stuff and I'm figuring
this out and I find the picture and it's got
the finger on there, I'm like, how to help the
people think that's Jack Ruby?

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
So I started coming across things and I'm like, there's
no way, how does everybody believe this? But it's this right?
And so that's when I started to try to interact
with the JFK research fucks who like wanted nothing to
do with my work ever, not from day fucking one,
which is kind of unusual. You think these people want
to know something, you know, they wasted their whole lives
on nothing. They might as well get the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
We got. We got a question here for for you, Corey,
and I can do my best to help answer these.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
But it's in chat right now. It says why was
Kennedy killed Israel angle only?

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Oh, yeah, because he was gonna he was gonna end Israel,
like regardless of what people say about him and his
relationship with Israel, he fucking hated those people. He was
going to shut them down entirely. He knew all about Demona.
The whole world knew about Damona since nineteen sixty It
was in Time magazine, you know, and they kept lying
to him about it, and so he threatened Ben Gurion.
Nobody really knows what was said, but you have the

(01:32:18):
Battle of Letters in May of sixty three, which concludes
with a letter from Levi Eshkall because he said something
to Ben Gurion and it caused Ben Gurion to step
down like immediately. So I don't know what the fuck
he said. But he then sends a letter to Levi Eshkall,
the second Prime Minister or interim prime minister, I should say,
and he basically says, we need to get into Demona.

(01:32:40):
We need to know about the peaceful intentions of Demona,
and it could seriously not allowing inspectors in could seriously
jeopardize our relationship. Basically is what he says. He was
looking for any reason he could to cut off funding
to Israel. Period. That's why he got killed. That's it. Now.
The CIA had their own reasons. They see had their
own reasons, The mob had their own reasons. Everybody had

(01:33:02):
their own reasons. But the green light was given by
David Bengurion, which then funneled them orders down through the Massad,
which was you know, we can we can make its
real simple Permandex the bord of directors of permandecks, which
included Alan Dulles and Angleton, clay Shaw, Roy Cone, Tibo Rosenbaum,

(01:33:22):
Joe Banano, Mobster, modalits Mobster. These guys like Permandex is
the proof that the CIA, Massad and the mafia all
worked together. And then from there the orders got funneled
down to Lewis Bloomfield in Montreal through CMC CMCs were
all a lot of the money got funneled, and then from
there to clay Shaw in New Orleans and there you
go the other gaps to be filled in by Trafficante

(01:33:44):
and Giancanna, and then you got the Cleveland guys. And
that's the assassination.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
That answered all three questions my friend actually has.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
So, yeah, you didn't need to I didn't need to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Ask them mob, you know, I guess I guess you
know it would say who is the project manager?

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Essentially, and you just nailed it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
I mean it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
If you want to reiterate that, like who, Well, if
you look at the if you look at the local
level down in New Orleans, I mean it really got
offloaded to the MOB, and you got guys like you guys,
guys c I a mafia crossover, guys like Roswell Thompson,
who's named by.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
What was his name? Beckham, Thomas Beckham, him, Vincent Marcelo.
He names a bunch of people who he was at
a meeting. He goes to a meeting and David Ferry's
there and Vincent Marcelo, Roswell Thompson and a berg Glass
and a couple other people and they give him a
package and he takes the package to Lawrence Howard at
the Executive Inn in Dallas. So when you start to

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look into those people who are in that room, Roswell Thompson,
that connects you to Fred Chrisman. You know, that'll connect
you Vince obviously Vincent Marcelo, representative of the Marcello crime family.
But yeah, Roswell Thompson's an interesting guy. Hung around, good
friends with Jack Martin, close with Fred Chrisman and Thomas Beckham,

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and then he reappears up in Washington after the assassination
with when Beckham and what's his name, Lavender and Chrisman
all have that like weird operation going on up to
whatever the fuck they're doing with the fake churches and
fake college degrees and stuff, which all ties into that
as well. So yeah, interesting stuff. Yeah, So when you

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start to dig you find all the connections, you find
all these guys are this is all one organization. Like
you can't separate the Massad, the CIA and the Mafia
in nineteen sixty three, you can't, It's not possible. The
real glue and the proof there more proof is all
the new mech stuff that went on the stealing of
our nuclear material for their bomb. You know that all happened.
That was all fucking mafia and CIA and Masad. You know,

(01:35:51):
it's the same relationship that've been together since since LA
in the forties. You know, this relationship started in LA
in forty five forty six, continued with the Sonboard Institute
through forty seven, Mayor Lansky's direct relationship with Ben Gurion.
Then you then you have the Bank to Crity Internationale.
That's the fucking that's where all the money flowed through
the Bank to Crity Internationale. BCI was the bank that

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Israel used in its early days for all their international transactions.
It was also happened to be started by Tibo Rosenbaum
and was used for Mayor Lansky's drug laundering. So you
know it's BCI is very very important.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
So that would explain Hoover's sustained towards Alan Dolas. I mean,
like they he probably had knowledge of all this, and
you just absolutely despised him because he was a man
of vego and power.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
I can see that. I can totally see that, and
seeing how Allan Dallas is all doing all this international
stuff that doesn't really involve America and dragging America into shit,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Yeah, you know, from an alsier's perspective, looking in you
look at DM and then you look at La Mumba.
They both they both were assassinated and that was directly
I feel like it was directly well, I know it
was directly correlated with CIA.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Yeah, and that was all through CMC, that was all
through Permanex as well. All that was done, all the
financing stuff was done through Permandex. Also, who was it,
Jean Pierre Lafitte was actually in Congo at the time
Lammba got killed, which is wild to me. So Jean
Pierre Lafitte is one of two qj Wins, the assassin recruiter.

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So I made a big mistake early on. I thought
that I thought that was double speak. I thought the
whole idea that qj Win was a recruiter for assassinations
was double speak and that qj Win was actually the
assassin himself. But no, I was very wrong, very wrong.
Al Borelli really kind of helped me sort out the
stuff because I had eventually come to the conclusion that
there were two qj Wins, because there were constantly two

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different sets of references one to qj Wins connections in Corsica,
which is like France, like the Corsican mafia, and I
kept seeing references him in Madrid. I'm like, Skorzeny's in Madrid,
What the fuck are they talking about? Then I realized
Skorzeny and Lafitte were both qj Win. And then Alborelli

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proved that in his book Coop in Dallas. Albarelli found
conclusive evidence of that in Coop in Dallas. So yeah,
fascinating stuff. But yeah, the idea that qj Win was
there when Lamba got assassinated, that that man that connects
a lot of dots, a ton of dots.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Interesting? Interesting? Uh, Charles, I know he had a question earlier.
Do you want to come out jump on here and
ask the question here? I can invite you to be
a speaker. See if Charles actually wants to jump in
and ask a question here. In regards to Uh, Charles

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has a fascinating story.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
I'm gonna be uh doing a spaces with Charles here soon.
In regards to he has a.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
His family's interacted with the Seven Bond type thing, so
he has a lot of parallels with the movies and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
And it's a really interesting scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
I Charles a really good guy, so looking forward to
talking to him about it. But Charles, I invite you
to come on and ask a question. If you like,
we got nothing for you, then we'll stand by for
a bit. But yeah, it's just interesting because you know,
you have the You made a really good point earlier

(01:39:33):
about people that write books, and I feel like the
people that are writing books essentially are the ones that they're.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Trying to get money.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
They're trying to link, you know, people into things where
it just doesn't add up. I mean, I feel like
I've read, I mean, I've read in my lifetime regarding
the Kennedy assassination, probably over two hundred books, two hundred
and fifty books.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Something like that like that, and.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
You know, it's just it's interesting, like you, especially like
within Case Clothes and all these other ones. Your book, though, however,
and I'm not just saying this to fluff you up,
your book is actually just straightforward. There's nothing in there
that speaks to me that you're trying to do monetary gain.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
You're just telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
No, man, it took me two and a half years
to write that fucking book. And if you try to
write a book for monetary gain, and the book's gonna suck.
Like you got to be passionate. It's got to it's
got to get you out of bed in the morning,
and you got to be on there till two o'clock
in the fucking morning every night, you know what I mean.
And so I'm like two hundred and twenty something pages
into my new book, and I knocked that out in
like six weeks, super fucking fast, and I just hit

(01:40:39):
a wall where I had to take a break, you
know what I mean, Like whole past I haven't done shit,
and I haven't even touched it in like ten days
because I just realized the book I was gonna write
is no longer the book I'm writing, which sucks. I
was trying to write a two hundred and fifty page
book and I haven't even gotten to motherfuck. I haven't
even gotten to the fucking Marines yet. And that's gonnake
two hundred pee. But the great thing about writing a

(01:41:04):
book is that it forces you to It forces you
to get everything right right. You can't get anything wrong.
You have to you have to go back over everything,
and your understanding of the material has to be there
before you can write a single fucking word. So right
now I'm really struggling with a section because in I'm
struggling with the section of Oswald in New Orleans in

(01:41:25):
nineteen fifty five. It's been really fucking It's so complicated
because you have one Oswald going to Fort Worth, going
to Monic Junior High School, and you have the other
Oswald staying at Bouregard and so. But then they have
a bunch of address conflictions and job conflictions and like
it's it's wild, and so I'm just I'm stuck on

(01:41:45):
trying to figure out how to just get through this
last part of it. I mean, I've gotten through most
of it, but I'm just this one little transition section
to get to the Marines is driving me up a
fucking wall because I have to understand it perfectly before
I can explain it. And I'm having trouble understanding it,
you know what I mean, because.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
It absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
No, I I mean as a so I'm a little
background on me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
I'm a musician.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
I you know, produced some albums and I've worked on
different albums before, and so I know exactly what you're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
You know you'll have.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
The you know, you'll have the nine songs on there,
but you have to have ten and that tenth tenth one.
You you run through different ones that suck or ones
that that you just like, I don't know if it
fits the theme of the album.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
So it's like you're kind of stuck in that particular U. Yeah. Point,
So I know that for a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
And there's been days I sat down on my computer
to work and like nothing came out, Like nothing, You're
just like, nothing's happening here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
I hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
Then you feel guilty about it and you're like, you know,
it costs a whole bunch of psychological issues.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Yeah, it sure does, man, sure does.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
But I've got the rest of it. I got the
next bunch of books already like outlined in my head.
I mean, I'm gonna do these three volumes on Oswald,
you know, Oswald up until he leaves the Marines, then
Oswald in Russia, and then I'm dreading getting to like
the final volume, because that's gonna take me. That's gonna
take forever, because I'm gonna go over every single I'm
gonna chronologicalize everything for Oswald, day by day for that

(01:43:09):
whole year and a half until the assassination. Wow, you
have to because there's so much conflicting information. You know,
I got people who.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
How are you gonna do that in two hundred and
fifty pages?

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Though, that means that's gonna be that's gonna be down
the lad that's gonna be down the road. That's gonna
be a much longer. But it's gonna take me two
hundred pages just to get through the marine stuff, because
the marine stuff is chock full of Oswald in two
places at once. Oswald being seen by people who you know,
like Oswald allegedly was seen in Memphis when he was
in the Marines, but I can prove he wasn't in Memphis,

(01:43:39):
but we have statements putting him in Memphis. And then
we have other documents from the Marines showing that he
was an air airline mechanic, not a radar operator. Oswald
was never a fucking radar operator. Let me make this
really clear. Oswald is not a single person on planet
Earth who can put Oswald behind a radar unit. Ever,
the closest anyone can ever put him is as a
plotting board operator, which is the guy who stays and

(01:44:00):
the radar operators call out numbers and he writes them
on the board. That is the closest Oswald ever came
to a radar unit. Oswald went through a six week
radar school. To go to actually be a radar operator,
you have to go through a thirty three week school.
So the whole story of Oswald being a radar operator,
to me is a cover front story. And when you
really dig into it, places that he's supposed to be
in the radar room, he's in trouble and he's either

(01:44:23):
on like administrative duty emptying trash cans and shit, or
working in the mess hall or on guard duty. That
guy was in trouble for like seventy five percent of
the time that he was in the Marines.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
You know, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
There's a there's a photo of him in the Philippines.
There's there's like John Wayne you know the one I'm
talking about. There's John Wayns in the pot Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
That picture should not exist. That picture is an anomaly.
And the date that people give for that photo doesn't
make any sense. That photograph is supposedly taken in like
what February of fifty eight. Oswald shouldn't have been there
in February of fifty eight. He left there in January
of fifty eight, so that photograph to have been in
January of fifty eight. But that conflicts that that photograph

(01:45:05):
is a major anomaly because that conflicts with Oswald being
in two places at once at that time period, because
he is in two places at once at that time period.
So yeah, that's that's that photograph has caused me a
lot of stress. A lot of the photographs of Oswald
and the Marines caused me some fucking stress. Does it well?

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
But but it's interesting because you mentioned that he was
doing you know, clean up jobs, you know, like mess
hall all that type of stuff. It seems like it
was actually a cafeteria lunch and and he's just looks
like he's standing outside on him right right, sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
There, chilling out right right. That conflicts with the idea
that he was in a radar unit or he was
working guard duty, you know what I mean. So like
another big mystery which hopefully will probably never get an answer,
but the death of Martin Schrand is a major anomaly
in Oswald's military career. Martin Schrand Ultimately it concluded that

(01:45:59):
he accidentally shot himself to death. But when you go
through the autopsy reports and all that stuff, you know,
fucking way he accidentally shot himself the way they say
he did. He allegedly was playing with his shotgun and
dropped it on the floor, and when he dropped it, it
went off and goot him under the left armpit from

(01:46:19):
a distance of eight inches. So the Marines were unable
to recreate the shooting. And on top of that, guards
on guard duty in that unit they didn't carry a
loaded weapon. They carried shotgun shells in their pocket. They
were only to load it if they suspected there was
going to be an incident. So he never should have

(01:46:40):
had a loaded gun at all. It should have been empty.
But no, he ends up dead. Not only that, his brother,
Martin Schranp's brother, I forget his name offhand. Four months
later he's in the navy. Four months later he mysteriously
falls off a boat. They don't find his body for
like a week. Turns out both of those brothers were

(01:47:02):
stationed together at Corrigador when Oswald was there. So one
of the odds of two brothers mysteriously dying in the Marines,
you know, not in war. They just mysteriously die. One
accidentally gets shot in impossible circumstances that they couldn't recreate,
an the other one falls off a boat. Something tells

(01:47:23):
me that those guys were killed because they had knowledge
of the two Oswald's, because Oswald stay in the Philippines
has an overlap, but they're in two different parts of
the country. So it's really sucking weird. It's really with
the Martin Srand incident. To me is like who wild.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Yeah, and I'm going to look into the Martin Strand incident.
I think that's fascinating. I want to zoom forward, probably
about twenty thirty years to de mourn Shield about him
killing himself.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
That seems to be another suspicious angle too.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Well, he killed himself, but then it was recorded right,
there was a recording of it, like he killed him self,
and then after he kills himself, the beeper on the
door goes off like someone came in or left the
left the room, so which.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Which Bill O'Reilly said, he's the one that showed up
there right after it happened, which I think is a
bunch of.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
That sounds weird. That sounds weird.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Well, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Mean, okay, hold on, So I think Bill O'Reilly is
weird in general.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
I just think that that, you know, for his whole
story is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
I think he's he's a guy that is either CIA
or compromised somehow. I mean he is if he was
that close to Moarnshield right after that happened, and then
he just gives his books that he writes are just
so like a matter of fact too. I mean I've
read the Lincoln one. I read, I read the obviously
the JFK one. But yeah, he's suspicious to me.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Yeah, I think Garrison was under the the notion that
de Mornshield would go to places that would soon after
be cooed like he was like part of a pre
coup team or something like along the lines. So I
don't know how much truth toist to that, but you
never know, you know, I don't doubt it, and there's
nothing beyond the ability of the CIA to double purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
It's just weird because it's just weird because like during
that time he had all these guys die like Roselli
and Giancanna, and then you know, it was just a
pocket of people that died at that particular time, and
anybody that had information and stuff like that. So I'm
just you know, which, we have another question on here
I'd like to It's from a friend of mine that

(01:49:31):
says some say LBJ was the mastermind.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
You've mentioned winter Land.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
What was his role specifically other than to take over
as president Vietnamin excent.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Oh, well, that guy never won an election in his life.
That guy was a Israeli puppet from day one and
as soon as he got this is the people don't
realize this, but that was a foreign coup that took
over our country on November twenty second. That's how I
see it. Is reel took over our country when they
kill Kennedy and installed their puppet Lyndon Johnson, who then
did deliberate and handed them the keys of the kingdom.

(01:50:03):
And that's why we've been, you know, uh, an Israeli
colony ever since.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
So interesting. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Well I hope Trump, I hope, I hope Trump was
gonna do something about it, But it doesn't seem like
that's the case.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Yeah, I mean we can we can go into that. That,
I mean that that Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Again, I I don't really want to go into the
Iran Israel thing right now. I'm just gonna wait for
it to play out. But you know, I think that
the more we keep digging, the more we we keep getting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Into this thing, the more I mean, I I always
tell people that you're you're the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Guy that I that I I I I'm sorry. I
just think that you're the one that that for me
was since I met you. You're the guy that really
is you eat and breathe this type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Yeah, And I'm I've been committed so long I don't
have a choice to be more so.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Ship Yes, sir, Well listen man, I want to thank
you for your time tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
We're gonna close out tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
I want to think the audience that's been here, Lioness
and everybody else that's been here tonight, Jack Shot, John
JFK Files, of course, Charles and every other listener is
going to be listening to this here in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
We do appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
And Corey, please plugging your book to everybody that doesn't
have it. It's called The Warning from History and just
give a brief y of nosis before we checked out.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Yeah, Warning from History. I wanted to identify the shooters
and I did, and so that's what the book's about
in identifying the shooters, it lays out the case for
everything else, which is pretty wild because that's where to start.
Everyone's looking to find answers with Angleton. You're not gonna
find any answers with Angleton. Okay, he's irrelevant at this point.
So all the all the good stuff is already out there,

(01:51:51):
all the good documents are already out there, all the
relationships that play are already known. You know, this isn't
a big mystery. It shouldn't be a big mystery. The
only thing I o'b scuring it is the level of
tradecraft that they employed. The impersonating Oswald all over the place,
all that stuff, the whole setup, right, that's all tradecraft.
I'm sure they have I'm sure they have it in
a training manual somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
Yeah, And I would say also, I mean, yeah, trade
craft's a really good word. I also say propaganda. The
more they keep fluffing it up about you know, the
long gunmen and other things that we can get lost in,
you know what I mean, like the other areas that
we can get lost in LBJ this or you know
what I mean, Like it was just all different angles

(01:52:34):
and different factions in different camps. That's what gets everybody
lost in the weeds, and they have to depend on
documents and they have to depend on a lot of
different things in order to get you know, quote unquote
the smoking gun. So that's my last take of it, Corey.
If you want to close out and then we'll we'll
be out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
Sure. So my next book will beut probably, but I
don't know. Two months. I'm thinking at this point if
I can get back on track really soon. So you
have a big project. We're launching a We're launching a
crypto project on July one. We've been working on for
over a year, so that's been kind of absorbing a
lot of my time. But you can find myself at
coreyhus dot org and that's probably the best place to

(01:53:13):
find like all my all my links and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Well, I want to thank everybody again for joining us
tonight and everybody listening on these spaces on rewind.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Everybody, have a great night, Corey. Thank you again. You guys,
have a good night. Take care,

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