Lee Harvey Oswald and the Death of Martin Schrand

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good morning everybody, Corey Hues, bloody History. Thank you for
tuning in today. So as usual, I gotta start with
daily housekeeping marketing nonsense, which I fucking despise. But I

(00:21):
finally set up an account at Twitter at x dot com,
so I've avoided it forever because social media, while yes,
being a marketing powerhouse, is also a completely and totally
fucking degenerate cesspool of propaganda. I mean, in the last

(00:43):
two years since fucking Israel's been pulling it shit, if
you haven't seen the overwhelming increase in Israeli propaganda allowed
by the US government and allowed by fucking X, I
don't know what to tell you. I'm disgusted. So I
hate these fucking social media platforms, but I can't deny
the need for them. If you have anything going on

(01:03):
at all, Really, what sucks?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know, Like I said, I'm not a marketer. I
fucking hate marketing. Go buy my fucking book. There you go,
that's my marketing spiel for the morning. Lee Harvey Oswald
and Black and White, Volume one is on Amazon. You
can get that immediately right now, Go and get it.
What you're waiting for. Ultimately, what I hope to do

(01:28):
with it is to bring into the spotlight the work
of John Armstrong and the reality that there were two Oswald's.
It's undeniable at this point, as I have been covering
all the Oswald early life stuff a lot, We're gonna
shift back into Oswald in the Marines because I have

(01:49):
to knock out volume two. It's already started. I'm just
having an existential crisis over if that's the book I
want to do next, because everybody knows. If you know
my work at all, you know that I got started
before I got into Kennedy. I spent a couple of

(02:10):
years on the Holocaust, one of the greatest lies of
all time. It was the greatest lie of all time
up until COVID nineteen, and then that just took the
cake by such a fucking landslide. I can't even It's
hard for me to comprehend to this day. So that
book needs to get written. And I've had some outside

(02:31):
interest in that book as far as a collaboration, but
that's not panning out. And so now I'm left to
make the decision do I want to go ahead and
write the book, which I actually i've already started. I
got like ten pages in one chapter and a couple
pages in another chapter. So I got two books you know,

(02:52):
already started, which is more important? What should I do next?
My overwhelming gut tells me to do the Oswald boo next.
But all everyone I talk to and all the feedback
I get from everybody is I got to write the
unwritable book. So that's my dilemma right now. I'm torn

(03:13):
over what to do next. And as I all I'm
doing in the meantime is inching my way through both
or neither. You could look at it both ways. Fuck
you know, by splitting my attention, I'm getting nothing done.
You could look at it that way, which I'd say
is completely valid. But my passion is Oswald. My passion

(03:33):
is Oswald. It truly is. It is matured over the
last seven years from just wanting to know who was
on the Grassy Knoll to having to know everything Lee,
Harvey Oswald, and Harvey Lee Oswald did for their entire lives.
So the next book, Volume two, is on the Marines,
and holy shit, it will make volume one look like

(03:57):
a warm up, which really, in reality, it actually was
warm up. The dual Oswald scheme, which persisted at minimum
from nineteen forty five onward and possibly earlier that we
just don't know about.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
That is.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's what I've got to work on for this book.
I've got to get it done. That's what my gut
tells me. So if you got an opinion, let me
know which book to right next. I will take it
to heart. But I'm gonna be moving a lot back
into the marine stuff because it's utterly fascinating. And I

(04:43):
don't know if you've seen my five hour presentation on
Harvey Le Oswald, but everybody should go watch it, all right,
So today what we're gonna do. I'm looking at a
document here and it's got the name Martin Schrand on it.
Martin Schrand. This is a marine diary. Martin Schrand is

(05:07):
an absolutely unbelievable story sub story in the life of Oswald.
I think it's one of the most profound events in
the life of Oswald. Oswald never in his life ever

(05:29):
mentioned is talked about it. We have no information from
Oswald on this at all. This case revolves around Oswald,
and yet the documents that we are left with are scant.
So let me make this point. When a police agency

(05:50):
does a standard homicide investigation. I mean, someone gets killed,
and we'll even wrap it up real nice and neat.
It was a known suspect, The suspect was try down, arrested,
and they have all the evidence right, just the case
like that, very simple. Someone shot somebody and fled, they
caught him, and that's the whole case. That alone, you're
looking at probably one thousand to fifteen hundred pages, and

(06:14):
in that is going to be cover sheets, routing forms,
a whole bunch of stuff that will, on the surface
appear irrelevant to the underlying investigation. But o contraire, that
stuff is vital. But fifteen hundred pages, i'd say is
an average length of a homicide. The OJ assassinated, the

(06:36):
OJ murder trial, stuff, that police report was probably twenty
thousand pages. Okay, just to give you a idea of
what a homicide investigation report should look like. Every single
document compiled on Martin Schrand we have here today compiled
by John Armstrong, and it's fifty eight pages.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Oswald was a named suspect in the early investigation of
the death of Martin s Trand, and we'll get into
the details here momentarily, but we do not have a
statement from Oswald. We do not have any investigation into Oswald.
All we have are one or two statements that said
Oswald was involved and no no real reason why. And

(07:27):
I think this'll this will probably take two days to
get through. So I'm gonna try to take my time
on the small details and try to really emphasize that
Martin Schrand, who, ultimately I believe, this is my hypothesis,
Martin Schrand was one of the six guys or five

(07:48):
guys assigned to be an Oswald's group that he was
with since he left Jacksonville to go to Biloxi, and
then most of them went overseas with him as well.
A couple of them washed out. But Martin Schrand was killed.
Martin Schrand was killed with his own gun on and
on a military base during peacetime. And it was not

(08:10):
a suicide. Okay. This case is mind blowing to me,
and this should be something that everybody knows about and
everybody looks into because the government covered it up. Martin

(08:31):
Schrand and as we'll see his brother, they got murdered.
They got murdered while in the in the military during peacetime. Okay,
So and we have less than fifty pages of documents,
give or take. You know, So this is a big deal.
This is a really big deal. And I believe that

(08:56):
the reason that Martin Srand and his brother were murdered
was because when it comes to them being in Corregador
and being in Subic Bay, Philippines, there is a time
that there's an unusual overlap between both Oswald's being out

(09:16):
in Philippines, one in Corregador, one in Subic Bay, an
overlap there. Along with Martin Schrand who's in the Marines,
who is incidentally stationed at the same place with his
brother who was in the Navy. I don't know any
circumstances surrounding that, but that was confirmed in the Missing
Link book on Oswald's military record. So the two guys

(09:38):
who were there at the same place, same time, possibly
who would have been possibly in different places with Oswald,
and perhaps this information got out and this is why
they were killed. But Oswald couldn't have killed them because
if this was the case, and I've already thought this through,
if Oswald and the duplicate Oswald were outed, they wouldn't

(10:02):
send Oswald to go kill him. They would take him
out by other means they'd send a professional, a mechanic,
an operator, which Oswald most certainly was not. So that's
my preface on this case. But we're gonna get specifically
into the documents. That's the background. We'll get into the
specifics as the document's unfold. Martin Schrand ultimately is killed

(10:25):
with his own weapon in a gun, with a gun
that shouldn't have been loaded in the first place at all.
So this is the cover sheet for Oswald's platoon. This
is a list of people who were stationed with Oswald.

(10:46):
And we see what what's the date here? We got
third of May fifty seven, the third of May fifty seven,
that would have been at Biloxi. Okay, so the six
guys with Oswald, well six including Oswald. You had Ben Brereton, Camarata, Oswald, Powers,
and Shrand. Okay, both Martin Schrand and Daniel Powers died

(11:09):
by gunfire. One of these guys, I forget which one
ended up in a mental institution. And a couple of
these guys disappeared off the face of the earth with
no information on them whatsoever. So it has been suspected
by some researchers that the five guys placed with Oswald
were all placed there as kind of insulation, like not handlers,

(11:35):
but other people who were probably involved in some sort
of you know, intelligence operations or community or family. But
there's there's no evidence for that. But a lot of
things that happen are intriguing and we'll see that as
we move through this. All right, Reviewed by NCIS Naval

(12:00):
Intelligence JFK Task Force. Released in full, report by Special
Agent WC. Cool ku Ehl Report made at Washington DC.
It's got a bunch of other military jargon stuff at
the top. I'm going to skip all that. This is
a period covered from May sixty May fourteen sixty four

(12:20):
to May twenty one, sixty four, Special Investigation upon receipt. Okay,
so just to point out, this is not original Martin
Strand documents. This is later documents, right, These are documents
later that they dug up after the assassination of Kennedy.
So this is not an original O and I document

(12:40):
from the investigation. I think we have some of those,
but I might be thinking about it now. All we
might have are these after the fact documents. So let's
see upon receipt of the information and the effect that
the subject may have been involved in the death of
Private Md. Shrand USMC in the Republic of the Philippines
in nineteen fifty eight. The Warrant Commission requested the assistance

(13:01):
of the Navy Department in interviewing the former security officer
the activity involved and in conducting a series of tests
on a weapon identical to that responsible for Shrand's death.
Interview of Lcdr Clark B. Wallbridge, USN retired former Security
officer of NASQB Point RP, disclosed that he continued to

(13:23):
be of the opinion that Shran's death was accidental and
the result of a malfunction in the receiver section of
his weapon caused by an impact on the butt of
the piece incurred in the course of conducting manual of
arms evolutions. He also clearly recalled interviews with three of
Shran's close associates who related that Shrand was a bug

(13:45):
for drill and spent considerable time practicing the manual of arms.
In this respect, Lcdr Wallbridge pointed out an error in
his statement of nine January nineteen fifty eight, which incorrectly
indicated that Shrand was not prone to exercise his WABS
weapon as a drill piece. He could provide no additional
information pertinent to this inquiry. A series of tests, including

(14:08):
one conducted on three weapons identical to that in Shrand's
possession at the time of his death, disclosed that in
nine of a total of thirty drop tests, the weapon
would have discharged had they been loaded. Files of O
and I contained no additional information pertinent to this investigation
not previously reported or referred to herein so, the official

(14:33):
story says Martin Schrand was flipping his shotgun. He was doing,
you know, like twirls with it and stuff, and he
dropped it and the butt of the gun hit the
ground and fired directly back at him, striking him under
I forget if it's the left or right arm but

(14:54):
it came in underneath the armpit from a distance of
eight inches away. That's what the autopsy found, right, So
imagine this, You're flipping your shotgun and it falls and
the butt hits the ground and fires back at you.

(15:19):
You'd think it would like blow your face off, but no,
it caught Martin Schrand directly perpendicular under the armpit. And
one of the crime scene photos that people keep mentioning
that I have a copy of somewhere it blew through

(15:40):
his chest, and it blew candy corn out of his pocket,
and there was a pile of candy in his blood
when they found him. So imagine that the shotgun from
eight inches away about that far right and about two
or three, which is down from the armpit right there,

(16:03):
coming in right here. That's where he was shot. And
he was shot with his own gun. And here's the
weird thing about the incident at all. When these guys
were on patrol, they carried a shotgun and a forty five.

(16:24):
The shotgun was not loaded. You were supposed to keep
I forget if it was three or five rounds, but
you had to have either three or five rounds in
your pocket ready to go, And so you would only
load the shotgun shell in case that there was trouble.
If you thought there was something up, you put a

(16:45):
shotgun shell in it at that time. But until then
it was supposed to be empty. There's no explanation as
to why there was a shotgun shell in Martin Schrand's weapon.
There never should have been. The other shells were in
his pocket. That one shell was in the shotgun that

(17:05):
is suspicious, to say the least. M All right, let
me continue on inclosure one to reference A reflects that
two former Marines, Richard Call and Donald It says Carnorada,
but it's Camarada provided information to the Warrant Commission tending

(17:27):
to suggest that subjects may have been implicated in the
death of Private Martin Dschrand one sixty three nine six
four nine USMC on five January nineteen fifty eight at
Kuby Point in the Republic of the Philippines. As a
result thereof, the Commission requested the assistance of the Department
of the Navy in locating and interviewing Call and Camarada.

(17:49):
The Commission further requested that Lcdr Clark B. Waldridge, US Navy, retired,
former Security Officer of nas QB Point RP, be interviewed
concerning his knowledge of death in light of the above information,
and that series of tests should be conducted on a
Winchester Model twelve Riot type shotgun, the same model in
Tran's possession at the time of his death, in an

(18:10):
attempt to determine if it is possible to discharge the
weapon by a jar or drop on the receiver section
with the safety in an off safe position. On fifteenth
May nineteen sixty four, mister John Eli, attorney for the
Warrant Commission VFW Building, Washington, DC, was interviewed to obtain
complete identifying data concerning Call and Camarada Supra at the time.

(18:34):
See they do this a lot. They miss spell last
names a lot. At the time. Mister Eli advised that
it was no longer necessary for either man to be
interviewed and that he would initiate correspondents canceling that portion
of the Commission's requests for investigative assistance. He explained that
he had personally spoke with both Call and Camarada now
it's spelled right, and that neither could provide any information

(18:57):
pertinent to the Commission's inquiry. There provided the following identifying
data from the Commission's files, and we have the information
for Richard Dennis Call and Donald Peter Camarada, Call I
believe was with Oswald at Santa Anna in fifty nine. Subsequently,

(19:21):
on eighteenth of May sixty four, mister Eli telephonically confirmed
the fact that Call and Camarada need not be interviewed
and advised that mister Jayley, rankin Council for the Commission,
would so advise Captain Mackay Greenberg of the Office of
the Navy Judge Advocate General, subject to Oswald Lee Harvey

(19:43):
on eighteenth of May nineteen sixty four, Lcdr. What is that?
Lieutenant Commander Clark B. Waldridge three five one zero zero nine,
USN retired, residing at thirty seven thirteen North looks like
Glebe Road, Arlington, Virginia, was interviewed at Owen I. At
the onset of the interview, the Commander Wallbridge was advised
of the nature of the inquiry and provided with a

(20:04):
copy of the Schrand investigation for examination. He thereupon advised
that it was his opinion at the time and continued
to be his opinion, that Shrand's death was the result
of an accidental discharge of his riot gun in the
course of his conducting Manual of Arms evolutions with his
weapon evolutions, I guess that means spinning. He explained that
it was also his opinion at the time that the

(20:25):
actual discharge was caused by a blow on the butt
plate of the riot gun, which in turn caused a
malfunction in the receiver section, resulting in the weapons discharge.
He further pointed out an error in paragraph six of
his written statement of nine January fifty eight, which states,
in part as follows, statements of the victim's friends indicated
to the investigator that the victim was not prone to

(20:47):
exercise his weapon as a drill piece, and that's probably accurate.
This is another concocted story. He stated that the sentence
should read that the victim was prone to exercise his
weapon as a drill piece. Indicated that interview interviews with
three of Shrand's close associates elicited information to the effect
that he Shrand was unusually impressed with the USMC, that

(21:10):
he loved weapons of all types, and that he was
a bug for drill and spent considerable time practicing the
Manual of Arms. Witness opined that the above noted error
was a typographical proofreating one as the interviews with Shrand's
three associates uh stood out clearly in his mind. Lieutenant
Commander Walbridge continued that his opinion that it's his opinion

(21:31):
that the discharge of the weapon took place within eight
inches of the left armpit was based upon the presence
of powder burns on the left side of Shran's ribcage
and the inside of his left bicep. He stated that
he measured these powder burns as beginning eight inches from
the left armpit. However, he went on to point out that,
to the best of his knowledge, powder burning did not

(21:52):
begin until a point approximately six inches beyond the muzzle
of any weapon because of the lack of oxygen in
the immediate proximity of the muzzle flame. That's bullshit. In
view of this, he opined that the muzzle of the
right gun could have been as much as fourteen inches
away from the left armpit at the time of discharge.
Lieutenant Commander Walbridge explained that there were many factors entering

(22:15):
into his opinion as to the cause of Schreand's death,
which included all the following facts and circumstances. He personally
had the duty, had the duty on the night in question,
and arrived at the scene within minutes of the accident.
He immediately called in three other vehicles, patrols and approximately
ten additional men, who sealed off the general area and
commenced a search for any persons in the vicinity. That

(22:37):
searched as well as one hundred as a second one
of the following day met with negative results. He further
pointed out that an indigenous guard in a radio controlled
boat approximately thirty or three quarters of a mile off
shore who heard the shot in question, reported no activity
in the vicinity of the waterfront.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Interesting. The riot gun in question had been issued to
Shrand for the purposes of his watch. Upon arriving at
the scene, he witness. Witness found an expended shell in
the chamber of that weapon and determined by the smell
and taste that the weapon had been recently fired. To
the best of his knowledge, Shran's patrol was a single

(23:16):
as opposed to a multiple, which precluded another shotgun even
being in the general area, all of which led him
to believe that Schrand was killed with his own weapon,
notwithstanding the fact that this could not be positively ascertained
by ballistics tests, as shotguns are not susceptible to such tests.

(23:37):
You know, in the actual and I remember this from
the original report, there is some interesting language used when
describing the damage done to os to oswell to Schrand.
The shotgun fires pellets, little tiny balls, a whole bunch

(24:00):
of them, right and individually. Forensically, if someone is shot
with a bullet, the report would read that the damage
was inflicted by a missile. That standard forensic language for
a bullet or something that would have a trajectory that

(24:23):
would come and kill you. The problem that I have
in the actual report is that they do refer to
the damage as caused by the missile, the missile. It
never mentions numerous missiles we might come across it. It might
be in these documents here, but it never mentions numerous missiles.

(24:44):
It just says the missile. If my memory serves so,
that's a problem. And we already know we're dealing with
intelligence and we're dealing with fucking liars who have zero integrity. Okay,
we have no idea how much of this story is
fabricated by the powers that be to cover up his death,

(25:07):
all right. Investigation disclosed that all the wounds on Shran's
body were parallel to the vertical axis of his body. Also,
the position of the powder burns supra indicated that Shran's
left arm was in a lowered attitude with the weapon
between it and the left side of his body. As
a result, it was deduced that for anyone to have

(25:29):
shot Schrand would have necessitated his lying flat on the
concrete parking area Hmmm, let me reread that investigation disclosed
that all the wounds on Shran's body were parallel to
the vertical axis of his body. Okay, parallel to the

(25:52):
vertical axis of his body. I don't understand what that means.
So if I'm this way and the wounds were parallel,
they would be the same way, right? Am I misinterpreting that? Also,

(26:15):
the position of the powder burns supra indicated that Schran's
left arm was in a lowered attitude with the weapon
between it and the left side of his body. As
a result, it was the deuce that for anyone to
have shot Shrand would have necessitated his lying flat on
the concrete parking area. That I don't buy at all.

(26:38):
The location of the wound, with reference to the length
of the weapon, and the complete absence of anything in
the immediate vicinity that could have been used to extend
Shran's arm reach tended to rule out the possibility of
his having committed suicide. Okay, So they admit he couldn't
have committed suicide because the length of the rifle, the

(26:58):
length of the shotgun, the distance it was away, and
the size of the powder burns and all that stuff.
Is no way he could have shot himself on purpose, right,
So that's the story that they're laying out the thank
Commander Wallbridge went on that all the above factors led
him to the conclusion that Shran's death was accidental and
was a result of a malfunction in the receiver section
of his weapon caused by an impact on the butt

(27:20):
of the Riot guns sustained in the course of conducting
manual of arms evolutions. He further pointed out that his
opinion had been formed at the time of the accident,
when all the facts were fresh in his mind, and
that nothing had ever come to his attention which would
cause him to change his opinion at the time. He
concluded that the above was the extent of his knowledge
concerning Schrand's death as it pertained to this inquiry. On

(27:44):
May fifteen, sixty four, a drop test was conducted at
Ordnance School MCS Quanico, Virginia, using three Winchester Model twelve
Riot shotguns. The guns were dropped in a vertical position,
muzzle up cocked with the safety off, from a height
of twenty four inns to the concrete deck. Each weapon
was dropped ten times. Two weapons fired twice out of

(28:06):
the ten drops, and the third fired five times. Technical
details of the tests are contained in Enclosure one. The
shotguns used in the tests were practically new. It should
be noted that the Model twelve shotgun has no seer disconnector,
with the safety off. Only the seer engagement under spring
tension prevents the hammer from falling. A blow on the

(28:27):
butt of the weapon causes the hammer to move to
the rear and disengage the seer. Sharpness of the blow
and strength of the seer spring determined whether the hammer
will re engage with the seer or fall firing the weapon.
Older worn shotguns are more susceptible to accidental discharge by
a blow on the butt than new ones. Dropping the

(28:49):
shotgun on the receiver section was not considered valid inasmuch
as the weapon's position would be parallel with the ground
and the wounds on Schrean's body indicate the weapon must
have been in the vertical position. That doesn't make any sense.
Dropping the shotgun on the receiver section was not considered

(29:10):
valid inasmuch as the weapon's position would be parallel with
the ground and the wound on Schrand's body indicates the
weapon must have been in the vertical position. Files of
O and I contained no additional information pertinent to this
investigation not previously reported or referred to herein on eighteenth

(29:34):
of May nineteen sixty four, Lieutenant Commander Clark B. Waldridge
three five to one zeros or A nine US and
retired residing. Ay, this is a duplicate. Yeah, this is
a fucking duplicate. I hate when they do that stuff. Um,
all right, what are we looking at here? It's another duplicate. Yeah,

(29:59):
that's a duplicate.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
All right.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So next thing, report of say Albert J. Rushing, Junior title,
Lee Harvey Oswald, Internal Security, Russia Synopsis. Marine Corps records
for Martin Elmo Schrand reflect he was shot and killed
one five fifty eight at Naval Air Stations Subic Bay,
Philippine Islands, while posted as an armed sentry. Correspondence in

(30:21):
file reflected accident occurred while in performance of duty, was
accidental a self inflicted wound. Record reflects Shrand and Lee
Harvey Oswald graduated together from a course at Keesler Air
Force Base, Mississippi, on or about five twenty seven fifty seven. See,
this is a big fucking problem. This is another big
problem five twenty seven fifty seven, and I don't want

(30:42):
to go down this trail. Five twenty seven to fifty
seven is wrong. He graduated and left their June eighteenth,
So he graduated June seventeenth or sixteenth, and he was gone,
and he was photographed in his class photo on June eighteenth,
fifty seven. So that date here is wrong. But is
it wrong? Is it wrong? We can't just look at
stuff like this anymore and say, oh, it's just a mistake. No,

(31:04):
Why do they have that date there? And does this
correspond with the statements of Owen D. Djanovich who said
that he was with Oswald at Biloxi at a couple
weeks difference from the class that he was actually in. Right,
So this, oh God, I wish that wasn't there has
just brought up a whole can of worms. Record does
not reflect persons on duty with Shrand at the time

(31:26):
of shooting, or any other information concerning Oswald. Paul E.
Ford Gideon Missouri, who's been confined periodically to VA hospital
for brain damage, reported to have spoken of information in
his possession regarding plot against President Kennedy. Hmmm. Relatives advice
Ford has mentality of a ten year old, and they

(31:48):
doubted he could give coherent answers an attempt to interview,
for he gave no evidence of ability to comprehend or
answer questions. Yeah, another cover up. I'm sensing, all right.
Sac Saint Louis Director fb I Assassination President Kennedy, Marine
Corps associate of Lee Harvey Oswald, has advised that Martin Schrand,
Marine serial number one six nine six nine four was

(32:10):
killed while serving on sentry duty with Oswald during maneuvers
in Philippine Islands. That death of Schrand was ruled accidental,
but it was rumored Oswald may have been responsible. Saint
Louis immediately reviewed Schrand's service record for circumstances surrounding his
death and specifically whether it occurred while on sentry duty
with Oswald. Sutel results to Bureau and Dallas. Dallas advised

(32:35):
by airmail. All right, that's a good one. I'm gonna
screenshot that note. San Francisco Tell Type eleven twenty seven
sixty three reported Donald Peter Camarada, Capitola, California, a Marine
Corps associate of Oswald, furnished the above information. All right,

(32:59):
we got a picture. Aren't Schrand here? Dated birth two,
twenty five, thirty nine, Central Vocational High School fifty four
fifty five. Yep, he would have been a great ahead
of Oswald Cincinnati Public Schools in active records Department data
graduation interesting all right, FBI date not mentioned. Martin was

(33:30):
pronounced dead upon arrival at the station hospital. Investigation has
been completed and it was determined that the accident occurred
while in the performance of duty, was accidental self dash
inflicted wound. Record contained statement from the Judge Advocate General
dated June thirteenth, fifty eight concerning investigations injuries and deaths
to a number of Naval and Marine Corps personnel, including Shrand,

(33:51):
and stated the following. The Judge Advocate General holds that
the deaths and injuries to the Naval and Marine Corps
personnel named, including Shrand, were suffered in the line of
duty and were not the result of their own misconduct.
The Judge Advocate General further holds that the death and
injury is sustained by personnel of the reserve. Components of

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the Navel and Marine Corps named were incurred while said
reservists were employed on active duty. Or inactive duty training.
Record reflected cause of death as wound missile left Axela.
I see, there we go, wound missile. That's not how
you describe shotgun injuries. Wound missile is how you describe

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a single gunshot. And nowhere in this report anywhere or
you see none of this has been original report yet
has it? This has all been reflection on original report.
And that's significant. That's very significant because they could have
changed whatever they wanted to and covered it up. They

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seem to wrap it up really quickly. Record indicated the
Shrand and Lee Harvey Oswald graduate from the Aircraft Control
and Warning Operator Course three three eight zero Technical Group
Keisler Air Force Base, Mississippi, hon Or about May twenty seven,
fifty seven, with four other marines. However, record failed to

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reflect persons on duty with Shrand at the time of
death or any other information concerning Oswald.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
All right, what is this? This is sideways?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I can't read it. In January fifty eight, Powers rejoined
the squadron which included Oswald a QB Point. I think
QB Point and Subic Bay are the same thing, Philippines,
And according to Powers, is that Martin? See they spell
it wrong again. They spelled Martin Shroud. What kind of

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fucking official military document is this? Martin Schrand was shot
while on guard duty. Power stated they actually from first
hand information, he knows nothing of this. Okay, yeah, I
remember that statement. Martin was pronounced dead upon arrival at

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the station hospital. Investigation has been completed. It was determined
accidental while in performance of his duty.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
We read that that the deaths and injuries to Naval
and Marine Corps personnel named included Schrand were suffered in
the line of duty and were not the result.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Of their own misconduct.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
So this guy is dead, but nobody committed any misconduct, right,
all right?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
This seems to be a reference is a third decade paper.
Looks like a bunch of lists of warrant commissioned stuff.
Martin Schrand by Jerry D. Rose Lee Harvey. Oswald's possible
status and agent of the Central Intelligence Agency has been
widely discussed in the research community. One scenario, the mechanism

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by which the CIA recruited Oswald and to the ranks
of its agents while Oswald was still in the US
Marine Corps been suggested by a former agent of the CIA.
This agent. James B. Wilcott told the House Select Committee
on Assassination that the fellow agency employees in Japan told
him of Oswald's agent status. Wilcott suggests that the CIA
had gained a handle on Oswald to use his leverage

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in recruiting him, this handle, quite possibly being the agency's
discovery that Oswald had murdered someone or committed some other
serious crime. Anthony Summers uses this quote to resurrect the
mystery surrounding the death of a Marine, Martin Schrand, in
the Philippines in nineteen fifty eight, at the same time
that Oswald was stationed. There s no that statements grossly incorrect.

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It was way more than they were just station there.
They were there together. Schran died on guard duty while
at the Naval Air Station at QB Point on January fifth,
nineteen fifty eight. Summers quotes that the statement of another Marine,
Donald Camarado, that there was a rumor that all may
somehow have been responsible for Schran's death because this has
been the CIA's handle on Lee Harvey Oswald. I don't

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know how much I want to read through this. Let
me see there's any other documents kicking around here before
I get to it. Yeah, they're sure are of course.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
What's this?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
This is Oswald's documentation of Oswald's record at the Marines
at Biloxie. There's a lot of there's. This document here
basically points out the fact that Oswald's the course that
he was in is not the course to he and
his team of five guys was supposed to be in.
They were supposed to be in another course that had

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This is the weird thing. They show up after leaving Jacksonville.
They get to Biloxi, the six of them. Their orders
said that they were supposed to be at Biloxie like
a week or two prior. However, they don't get the
notification of the change until they get there. But that

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doesn't make any sense, does it, Because they knew to
be there in the first place to get into the
right course. But they got there two weeks late, as
per the documents, right, you can see it here seventh
of May fifty seven. We have other documents indicating they
were there before that. So, yeah, that whole situation is

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fucked up. So as I go through the book that
I'm writing now are going to write volume two, I'm
going to have to sort out exactly what the fuck
was going on and what was going to see if
I can find the diaries for that other course, because
at this exact same time you owen d Djanovich, who was
saying that he is with Oswald and not with any
of these six guys at the same place at the

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same time. And Oswald said he got his ged there
at Biloxi, But we have documentary evidence that he got
his ged in Santa Ana in March of fifty nine.
So yeah, this whole, like I said, this whole fucking
Marines situation is fucked up in general, but the Martin
Schrand stuff is unbelievable. A review on November twenty nine,
sixty three by I. C. Leonard Lewis of the Marine

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Corps Records on file MPRC Saint Louis. All the references
you see to Saint Louis, that's where the Marine and
military records are all kept for Martin Elmo Schrand serial
number one six three nine sixty nine four. He indicated
he enlisted US Marine Corps on October sixteen, fifty six
at Cincinnati, Ohio, and served on active duty until his
death January five, one, nine five eight at the Naval

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Air Station Subic Bay, Philippine Islands, while posted as an
armed sentry. Record contained letter dated January eight fifty eight
from w H Borts Junior Major, US Marine Corps to
missus Mary Schrand, mother three seven to two five Sachem
Avenue or Sakham Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio, and giving circumstances surrounding
the death of her son, Martin E. Schrand. As follows

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on January five point fifty eight, Martin was posted as
an armed sentry at Naval Air Station Subic Bay, Philippine Islands,
while on temporary duty.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
There.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
They're at at won nine three zero hours. That's what
seven thirty. The corporal of the guard heard a shot, investigated,
found your son seriously wounded and called an ambulance. Was
it cut off there? We only got one page of
the letter. Um all right, So yeah, we've already seen

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that document. We've already seen that document. Martin Schrand mother
is Mary Shrand. They live in Cincinnati. Identifying information. These
are all John Armstrong's handwritten notes. So if you guys
haven't gone through John Armstrong's document collection, y'all need to.

(41:50):
It is phenomenal and the best of the best are
in his handwritten notes, even stuff that he scratched from
his presentations. There's absolute value in let me see Woodthrow
High School. See John Armstrong was a madman. He went
crazy on gathering information on everybody. Here we go. We

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have a little snippet from the newspaper Private Martin Shran
services for Private Martin Shran eighteen. It was shot and
killed January fifth, while walking guard duty in the Philippine Islands.
Will be held in the Burreer Funeral Home, Eastern Avenue
when the body arrives. The Marines believe the youth was
wounded fatally by an accidental discharge from his own weapon.

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Private Shrand was assigned to the Marine Air Wing Headquarters
at Subic Bay Naval Air Station when the shooting occurred.
He'd been in the Philippines since September. Is that right September.
I'll have a double check on that, because Oswald was
supposed to be there in September, but then he got
delayed until October because he shot himself in the arm. Also, yeah,

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Oswald got shot. Oswald shot himself in the arm while
he was in the Marines. I'm not sure if guys
knew that or not. He leaves his parents, Elmer and
Mary Schrand. Yeah, I feel bad for this kid caught
in the crossfire or something, probably much bigger than him.
To return body of Marine Private The body of Private
Martin Schrand shot accidentally January fifth while on guard duty

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at Subic Bay Naval Station in the Philippines. We'll be
returned here next week for services and burial. The eighteen
year old marine was the son of mister Missus Elmer M.
Schrand on Sackham Avenue and he leaves a brother, Seaman
Raymond Schrand with the Navy on USS General A. E. Anderson. Okay,

(43:45):
Raymond Shrand. Yeah, he dies four months later, so both
the Schrand brothers are together in Subic Bay or there's
no clarification, and I forget the guy's name. It's called
the missing chapter. So on leeh of the Oswald in
the Marines. I thought it was gonna be amazing because
that guy like worked there and he was like had
asked to all the documents and everything in the book.

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Was such a letdown because he can't comprehe he couldn't,
he couldn't square the two Oswalds. So he eliminated that
Oswald ever went to like Taiwan and stuff, which is crazy.
But they were there together, The two Chrand brothers were
there together somewhere in the Philippines. And then at the
exact same time. You have a weird overlap. I think

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there's an overlap. I have to go back and check
my notes, because I was able to put both the
Oswalts in the Philippines give or take it, around the
same time. And then four months later, Raymond Shrand falls
off a boat in the Navy and they don't find
his body for a couple of days. Yeah. Nah, this
is a cover up story. Let me see more notes.

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Nineteen fifty four to fifty eight. Can't read that ninth
grade fifty four to fifty five. Oh, that's to talk
about Martin Schran's interactive records. So another big thing that
we haven't covered yet here. I don't know if we're
gonna get to maybe. Well, yeah, we'll get to it
tomorrow because I'll dig up the documents on it. Martin
Schrand had a lot of problems. He had been in

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and out of trouble before he got into the military,
and he it seemed like getting into the military was
kind of a you know you're gonna do this and
get your act together, or you know you're gonna end
up in jail.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
When he gets into the Marines, he gets into a
bunch of trouble and he's promoted, and then he's demoted
because he said a mattress on fire, you know, and
then he turns up dead within a matter of a year.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
It's the whole thing is crazy. Like I'm just sitting
here explaining it, trying to wrap my head around it.
It's crazy. So let me see assassination of President Kennedy.
Following teletype to directors Dallas, Minneapolis, stated November twenty seven,
received Minneapolis, November twenty eight. Captioned is above quote. Donald

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Peter Camarada six zero one, Berlin Game Avenue, Capitola, California,
on November two, seven sixty three, advised that he served
in the Marine Corps with Oswald. Camarada stated that he
traveled with Oswald from Jacksonville, Florida, to Keiser Air Force Base, Biloxi, Mississippi,
on May three, five seven, traveling with them with the
following Edward Bandoni Marine number one five five one four

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two seven, James Brereton Marine serial number one six four
four five eight six, Daniel P. Powers Marine serial number
one four nine seven zero eight nine. Martin E. Schrand
Marine serial number one six three nine six nine four.
The same group departed Biloxi, Mississippi, to El Toro Base

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at Santa Ana, California, July one, five to seven, in
route to Japan. About Christmas nine, five eight, they returned
to California and served with the Marine Air Control Squadron
number nine El Toro Helicopter Facility, Santa Ana, California. Camarada
was discharged from the Marine Corps in September five to nine,
and Oswald left shortly before on a hardship discharge. Camarada

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states at Oswald was rumored to have taken a Russian
language course while in Japan, and on his return to
the United States he spoke in Russian. This is a
big problem for everybody we included, had his name in
Russian on his jacket, and listened to Russian phonograph records.
Oswald described as a quote loner unquote. Comorado states that

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Schrand was killed while serving on sentry duty with Oswald
during maneuvers in the Philippine Islands. The death of Schrand
was ruled accidental, but it was rumored Oswald may have
been responsible. Camarada State's Daniel Powers was stationed in Atsugi,
Japan with Oswald and they have information concerning Oswald's activities
while in Japan. Powers home is at o Watana, Minnesota,

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and he was discharged from Marine Corps one nine to
five eight Above interview of Camarado conducted by sa Orville
and Molman on November two, seven sixty three. Investigation Minneapolis
Division discloses Powers now lives for zero one fourth Avenue, West, Mnemonie, Wisconsin,

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telephone Cedar two five two eight. He's football and wrestling
coach at Mnemonee High School. It was further ascertained Powers
was in Minneapolis attending attended Minnesota Wisconsin football game played
at ten thirty am November twenty eight, and every effort
was made to contact Powers here so that interview can
be conducted here without delay, but with negative results. Power's

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parents at Farmington, Minnesota contacted and they advised Powers expected
to return to his home in Minemony after game and
they did not expect a visit from him while in Minneapolis.
This and something cuts off. Powers was in reviewed by
Saint Paul Dispatch on November twenty five, last concerning his
association with Oswald Photo stat at this news clipping being

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furnished Bureau Dallas and Milwaukee. This date. Milwaukee contacted Powers
at monemone and conduct interview.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
All right, let me see.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
All right, I think I'm gonna call it here for today.
We'll pick it up tomorrow. Daniel Patrick Powers died in
sixty seven in California. He's buried in California. He committed
suicide allegedly with a gunshot to the right temple, but
the gun was found in his left hand. So think
about that, and you know, put in the comments how
you think mister Powers died. That's gonna do it for

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me today.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Remember, go pick up my book, go check out my
substack and all that good shit. And I will be
back probably on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Thanks.