Ep. 27 - Yu-Gi-Oh player rates companions cards in MTG (feat. Cimoooooooo) - CovertGoPodcast

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I think yeah, I showed you universes beyond stuff. Now
today we've done a few episodes. I've done some work
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mechanic in magic the Gathering, and I've been meaning to
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
So although there are.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Spider Man cards being revealed to the world, that's not
what we're talking about today. Today we are covering companions.
Have I shown you. I have probably shown you here
and there a companion. Does this as a magic term
seem familiar to you at all?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Nope, I don't know it happen to be if you have,
I don't remember it. So yep, we're going in blind folks.
This is gonna be a good one locking.

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Indeed, And to those of you out there excited about this,
oh my god, here we go. You're going to learn
about a time that magic players decided to up their
game by unlocking a new zone, a new skill set,
if you will, in the companion zone for deck thing.

(02:01):
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Speaker 3 (02:05):
Okay?

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Now let's get back to the podcast. So we're taking
a trip to Ikoia, the plane of all like monsters.
It's all about monsters and mutants and stuff. That's and
this came out and had a great time, just a
great time for a paper card game to get released.
This came out in I think it was like April

(02:50):
of twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Okay, great, I wonder if there's any weird phenomenon that
happened around April of twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh yeah, there was a Godzilla movie that was supposed
to come out at the same time, and there was
a tie in. There were actual Godzilla cards and really
in the set I Koria and that didn't happen. That
movie didn't come out, but the set did release to
no pre releases. Everything canceled, but the set did release
on Magic Arena and oh my god, the world was

(03:23):
introduced to companions. Let me tell you what a companion is.
A companion has a deck building cost slash slash claws
on it. All right, So at the top, it's going
to say, companion dash your starting deck insert requirement. You're
starting deck must have all CODs or only.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
That, Like you did I think we did the rare
and video. I think we both did it. Is it
like the guys that's like, oh, you can only have
like odd cost or even cost cards in your whole deck.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Type of thing.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Wow, you're really good at this. So this is your
the first example. I was going to bring up go
ahead and read guy Ruda Doom of Death's companion costs.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I'll just spilled my tee all over the place.
Maybe I just got that excited that you have an
extra deck. This is, like you said, Guy Ruda, Doom
of Depths, cool name for and double blue black hybrid
manna for a demon Kraken. It's not just a cracking
it's a demon Kraken.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Companion you're starting deck contains only cards with Oh that's
funny even there, it is okay. When Garuda enters, well
actually actually read the parentheses. If this card is your
chosen companion, may cast it once from outside the game,
so you only need to play this one time. Yes,
it's command, it's not a commander. Okay, that's why I
just want to clarify.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
When guy Ruda enters a battlefield, each player puts the
top four cards of their library into their graveyards that
will be broken in you Giu put a creature card
with an even converted mane cost from among those cards
onto the battlefield under your control. That's fun because you
can do your opponent stuff too, potentially.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Okay, So this was a new thing using what the
way that companion functioned at this time was if you
sat down and you had to only even cost cards
in your deck, and Guy Ruda took a spot in
your sideboard the fifteen cards that you use a sideboard,
so it takes one of those fifteen spots.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
All right, is it like, is it public knowledge that
you're playing.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
This or is you reveal it?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
You are required to reveal it at the start of
the game in order to use it. Okay, So you
would sit down, You'll put your deck over here, You'll
put your sideboard over here, you'd reveal the top card
of your sideboard, and it would be Guy Rude to
Doom of Depths, and it'd be like, okay, I have
a Companion, and then you would start your game. So
that is the tournament functionality, and the functionality of the

(05:49):
card itself is you may cast it one time from
the special xiled Companion zone for its manecost. That was
the way it was introduced. What do you think right away?
Way first impressions of the mechanic, Uh, well.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's like you basically have an extra card in your
starting hand, right, because it's it's always there, and so
if it's like cheap, that means you just basically just
have access to it at all times. It's interesting because
you have to evaluate this not for the card itself,
but also like the deck building restriction, because that could

(06:29):
I think the deck building restriction has like more implications.
But it's like if that's pretty trivial and the card
is busted, then who cares? Right, So like all the
surface it's it's kind of like Commander Light, if you will,
where it's like you have a deck building restriction, but
you can only play the guy one time. There's a
lot of similarities, a lot of similarities.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yep. This I'm not sure when or how to give
you all the information around this, so I'm just going
to present a ton of info upfront. Okay, the companion
rule went so well, so well that your voice it
was either May or June. There is a band and
restricted announcement. And instead of many speculated that all companions

(07:15):
would be banned, what they did was yeah, yeah, yeah,
it went that well. Okay, Okay, just to give you
a heads up, that's how well it goes. Instead, what
they did is they changed the companion rule itself. They
actually added what's called the companion tax. And now the
way that the rule works is it says, if this

(07:37):
card is your chosen companion, you may put it into
your hand from outside the game for three manna at
sorcery speed.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Okay, so you have to do you buy it? So
they made you buy it instead of just getting it
for free. Yeah, I haven't seen all these cards yet,
but like just my mind is sort of like spiraling thinking.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That probably makes sense.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So presenting this information to you upfront, you now have
a few hoops to jump through because we're going to play.
Was it ever banned? Was it ever? Well?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
You said they all might have been banned at one point,
so this will be interesting.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
You not only have to analyze these for standard but
also for more eternal formats, and you have to guess
whether or not it was banned, like you also have
if you want to present it. You're not required to,
but something to consider will be would you ban it
before or after the companion text change? Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, that's kind of that makes a big difference. That
makes a big difference having to pay an extra three.
Sure it does, so I mean it's it's this one
is going to be a little out there, but the
base question to you is going to be the same.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Was it ever banned?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I we're talking about any format an plenty of bonus
points by the way. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna focus
on We're gonna focus on Commander and modern and legacy
and standard, got it?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Okay, those are those.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Are the big ones. Although you know what, any ban
I'll take it at this point, any any ban you win?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
How do these work in Commander? Do you have a
commander and a companion?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
You can? Yes? Okay, I did. I actually did not
know this because in Brawl, the companion is a part
of your deck, so it's ninety eight cards at that
point you have ninety eight cards, a companion and your commander.
But in Commander, it's a part of like your command's
Une packet, So you have ninety nine cards, a commander
and a companion. If your one hundred card deck fits

(09:43):
the just yeah, yeah you can Guy Ruda as one
hundred and first card if your whole deck and your
commander were even.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Can you play these cards without them being companions?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Can you just play this in your deck. Yes, okay, interesting.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
You can also make them your commander without making them
your companion.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So in the instance of let's say.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Modern or like a non commander format, you could hypothetically
then play multiple copies of these cards.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
If it's not your.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Companion, you could also play one as your companion, and
if it met its own companion requirement liked does like you?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
That's so interesting?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Okay, A lot of like there's like this, like just
throw so many of like typical magic things like out
the window. I feel yes, yes, yes, it does. Okay,
all right, so let's I. I we were like fifteen
minutes in and I haven't even gotten for the first
card yet. So let's let's figure this out. This effect
seems really good. If this was in Yu gi Oh,

(10:46):
this would be like probably cause for getting banned. I
think I showed you a card actually that was very
similar to this, that has two cards. Actually that did
get banned. For those of you who watched the video
of me show cg be the most busted U gi
oh deck of all time. And this actually has greater
upside than those cards theoretically because those just milled both

(11:10):
players for five. This mills both players for four, but
then you also get to like get a guy.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
On the field.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
In addition to that, if you hit right but you're
hitting you you're doing eight cards. Four of them are
going to be cards that are even, so because you're
playing an even decks, you just have to hit a
creature and not hit land, and you could hit something
that your opponent has, but most likely you're probably going
to try to build this in such a way you

(11:37):
hit your own thing, you might have to pay for it.
Put a creature card with an even committed manocost from
among those cards, so you could there's some like combo
ability there. I would say, like on the surface, if
this was like standard or like a slower format, I
feel like.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
This card would just be fine.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
But if we're talking about like older formats, I feel
like there's the possibility this card could have gotten banned
because I feel like there is like some abuse there
for sure, and I feel like, I mean, the problem
is kind of expensive, but in older formats there might
be like easier ways to like cheek this out or
things like that. So I don't know if you intentionally

(12:21):
are showing me this one first, because it's like sort
of a yu Gi oh effect in a way just
to like bait me.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Are you meta gaming this already? It's episode CGB. How
many of these videos have we done together. It's been
like almost a year at this point that we've been
doing these videos. It's been a while. It's been a while.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
And you know, me, it costs six, it's a but
it has blue in it. And if I know anything,
blue blue equals banned typically when you show me blue stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I I the alarm bells are there even though he
costs six. It's really like the old format thing that's
like concerning me. If we were just talking standard, I
think this is fine, but I feel like there's some
deck that's like, oh, cheat out a thing and it's
this and then like maybe you just like I don't

(13:18):
know if you can stack your deck in such a way,
like maybe there's some like blue draw spell that's like, oh,
stack your deck like or like look at the top cards,
like add one to your hand and then like stack
the rest on top, and then you just got ruda
and fucking hit like the lottery and someone out like
I don't know you could. I don't know if any
of the fucking oh what are they called the uh,

(13:39):
the El Drasi, the big guys, like some of them
might have even costs. So then you like you're in
a fucking El Drazzi and cheat it out and you
just like win the game off of that.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So you're doing it, you are like, this is.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
The ugio combo brain right, Like this is how it works.
So that's I think this got banned in some eternal format.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
I just I.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
There's there's enough alarm bells for me here that I
think it did. But if if not, I don't know,
I'm gonna say it got banned in some etertal format
for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Okay, Guy Ruda Doom of Depths. In the very very
first days when Companion was revealed and people started playing
standard with it, actually interesting, one of the first Companion
decks that people immediately began screaming about was Guy Ruda.

(14:29):
I made a video and people still in comments to
this day use the phrase ramp Ramp Guy Ruda, because
all the deck had to do was like, ramp on
turn two, ramp on turn three, go from you know,
two to four, four to six, then cast Guy Ruda
and the game could end in the format crazy. In

(14:50):
the format at the time, you had cards like Spark double,
so every time you cloned Guy Ruda, you milled again.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
You had creatures like Fasa Deep Dwelling that would then
just flicker Guy Ruda and do it again.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh my god. I did think about that.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
The way that it would off, that you were trying
to get it to work was to hit enough times
that the opponent's deck was completely empty, and then it
went to their turn. They tried to draw from an
empty library.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
And they lost the game.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Even if you even if you failed, you usually untapped
with multiple giant Krakens enough that they really couldn't do
anything about it. And that's even assuming you stole nothing
good from your opponent. So this deck was everywhere on
ladder from the moment that the set went live, Ramp
Ramp Guy Ruda people screamed from the heavens. They were like, look,

(15:41):
this is turn four and standard and I've been completely
milled out. This is a joke. Or look at this
board state they achieved on turn four. This is a nightmare.
And Ramp Ramp Guy Ruda was a thing that people
said as kind of like the simplest game plan of
all time. It was just a really dumb, straightforward thing,
and every buddy like either either laughed at it or

(16:03):
hated it deeply in their soul and they want to
get rid of band and they never I as soon
as you were going down this route, I'm like, they
didn't ban it.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
They didn't ban.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It all because I've done this to you like multiple times.
Oh man, that's crazy. They just yeah, well it demanded.
It was kind of weird because this was at this
was on the other side of fire Design. El Draine
was legal, all right, and that was the first big
fire design euro was legal. That was Throust Beyond Death,

(16:35):
that's the set before this one. So these mega powerful
sets were already pushing like what standard could be.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
And now this like on turn four, I have this
megaboard state or the game might end. Threat appeared in
the past probably would have been banned on the spot
because nobody like thought standard should be this way with
these cards in the format and with a like every
deck kind of having like counter spells or interaction, expecting
to have to interact by turn three or they were

(17:04):
dead anyway, the meta adjusted pretty simply to countering Guy
Ruda or shutting Guy Ruda down. So Guy Ruda uh
faded from the meta game in like a week. It's
one of the most insane one week decks that has
ever happened. For one week, everybody was screaming about it,
and then it was just gone because they realized a

(17:25):
card like Mystical Dispute, which is one blue to counter
or target blue spell just like it was as It's.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So funny because that's just like the Dies to doom
Blade argument, right, It's like, just because you have counters,
does it mean something's healthy for the game. So that's
that's fascinating. I didn't think about like all the crazy
stuff you could do with it. That's interesting, all the.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Other interactive points that popped up of like kill their
ramp creature. Okay, now you're delayed them a turn. How
bad is that? Well, when people are dying on turn
four to the red deck consistently, it's terrible. So like
people just figured it out.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
They knew it today.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Guy Ruda never got to do its thing and never
got banned, and once they hit the companion tacks. Guy
Ruda for the most part faded from the meta game,
except for a few decks here and there. There have
been some pioneer Gary Ruda decks that were kind of cool,
but the card just isn't that level that that depth
con five level threat, even though it reads is amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Cool card, though, I'm glad it did see play. I
mean it's an e card. I like Ramp Ramp Guy
Ruda Baby.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Every week one deck that looks like it's like when
they cheat out Jumbo Cactar and hit you. That's a
Ramp Ramp Gyruta deck.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
To me, Okay, sure, oh is this our next one here?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah? I say sorry, I sent you a fresh knee card.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I always want to say. I was looking I realized
you sent me the other ones, and then I'm like,
what's this card? You didn't mention this, and this is
your fresh card. Okay, this is Gigantha, Gigantha. Most people
say Gigantha, Gigantha. Okay, the well Spring four and a
hybrid red green.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Do they all have hybrid in them? Is that just
like a thing?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yes? They do.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Interesting, Okay, I guess it makes sense. You can play
in like multiple decks. It's an elemental elk very funny.
Uh so companion. No card in your starting deck has
more than one of the same mana symbol in its
cost no more than one of the same. So does
that mean you can't play stuff that's like double red, correct,

(19:25):
but you can play like something that's red green correct. Okay,
I'm just trying to clarify that tap add white, blue, black, red, green.
This can't be paid. This can't be spent to pay
generic man of costs. I'm assuming that means, like the
four in Jagantha, it has to be used for like
specifically colored mana. You are one hundred percent correct, Okay,

(19:49):
all right, I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm understanding.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Interesting, So you're trying that's so weird. So you're you're
you can't play cards that have more like duplicate man
of symbols, and then you get all this mana to
pay for that. So you're encouraged to play all these
cards that have multiple man of symbols in the cost

(20:17):
because you get like five free mana to do so.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
See.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Usually, like when you get this level of sort of
like mana cheating, it's really good, but it has like
a pretty harsh restriction on it.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Hmm. You can't use it.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
For generic costs, So it's encouraging you to play like
more colors.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, so if you have so.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
If you have so, if you have something that's like
red green white and it has like no generic MANA symbol,
then you can pay for it for free. But if
it's like one green white or one green red or
something like that, you get to pay for two of it,
and then you have to still pay for one.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
So it's huh, were you gonna say something? By the way,
I didn't mean to cut you off.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
No, you're doing great. I'm just yep, just making sure
that we understood what to do with the MANA. You
can also use it for abilities like like if it
has like like pay a green, like do X like that,
that pay can pay for that.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Okay, Yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Just can't be used to pay the generic costs like
the four inch of Gantha's cost.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I think this is fine.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I think it's restrictive enough that it's like it is powerful, but.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I don't think it's.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Like I mean, there there could be a deck that
it's busted in, but I feel like it's kind of
self restricting in a lot of ways. This doesn't street
even though it's like MANA cheating or like MANNA acceleration.
If you will this doesn't scream like broken to me.
I still think it's like okay, and it probably saw play,

(22:05):
but I don't think it's like busted busted like. But
to be fair, I thought Garuda was banned and.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
It wasn't, So what do I know.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Uh, I'm gonna go with not banned. I think this
card's fine, Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Gigant the well Spring I think would be classified by
many people as fine. It was always kind of the
like fourth companion or fifth Companion something like that that
people used when they're deck didn't qualify for other companions,
because it was very possible to build decks in a
number of formats that met the companion restriction without actually

(22:40):
having to change anything in their deck, which immediately if
if they even had a way somewhere in their deck
to produce red or green manna in some theoretical sense,
even you may as well run Jagant as your commanis
well right, yep, Well it wasn't a big deal. H
And again, this could be a deck that, like, maybe
it doesn't have any green or red lands, but maybe

(23:02):
has a card in it that somehow makes a man
of any color. Well, you can still run Jagantha as
your companion, you play like a dual.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Land that out of dual lands were around at this point.
But I mean if you have like a shock land
that like just happens to produce red or green, right yep.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
And you could even run Jagantha in your sideboard as
a decoy for example. So you reveal this and I
think you're a certain deck, but you're not. But there
were so many Jagantha decks that the way that it
ended up working out was that Chagantha just kind of
didn't mean anything after a while, and Jiganthha got to

(23:37):
the companion tax in standard without a band, and then
Jagantha also was a number of in a number of
decks throughout its time and standard and escape standard without
a ban. Sure, but in December sixteenth of twenty.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Twenty four, oh god, it is.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
So bad in the eternal formats of Modern and Pioneer
because the way it worked in those forms is a
number of cards were just like a huge number of
very solid cards and cards that I'm sure WATSI was printing,
which might have been part of the problem. We're not
getting played because the Jagantha. You'd rather have Jagantha. So

(24:15):
if your black black one card is about as good
as your black two card that already exists, and you
get to have Jagantha if you run the black two card.
That's what people ran. Jagantha was basically banned in December
sixteenth to twenty twenty four in Modern and Pioneer for

(24:38):
basically not provoting promoting deck diversity, because every single deck
would love just a five man of five to five
that they had to pay three mana to draw in
case these games like came down to a battle, a
grind of resources, and it meant that so many cards
were not actually seeing play in the format that they
had enough. And Jagantha became the first band, not really

(25:00):
on power level, but on what the idea of Jagantha
did to magic the gathering decks in interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
That's so interesting, huh, Like I get it. That makes sense, right,
because then if everything just becomes like this homogeneous Jigantha pool,
then like you know, that's not very fun, right, So
I interesting, that's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yes, And it's yeah, so this is like this gives
you a little peak behind what we're going to get into.
It's not just what the card, what the companion does,
it's what does it promote right as a free card?
How what is worth it? And people were just building
every deck as a Jigantha deck, or so many decks

(25:45):
were built as Jigantha decks that it just kept a
lot of cards out of the format, which so likey
hard to sell cards under such conditions.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah for sure, right, No, I mean, like we know
that there's obviously a financial motivation for some of these hits,
and so I get that, Like I can't even like
argue against it.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
It makes sense.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Alrighty, next roll for two. This is going, well, this
is where we're well, we're having we're on track to
tie the pricing video. All right, let's keep going.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I am really curious what you what you find about
this card?

Speaker 3 (26:19):
What the fuck is this? Kahira the Orphan Guard.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Okay, this is my wife, Gina's first commander by the way.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Oh really, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's one and two green and white hybrid Manda for
a cat beast.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
I feel like that's a bit redundant, but okay, all right,
So the.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Companion cost is each creature card in your starting deck
is a is a cat, elemental, nightmare, dinosaur, or beast. Okay,
that's a restriction. It has vigilance, and each other creature
you control that's a cat, elemental, nightmare, dinosaur, or beast
gets plus one plus one and has vigilance. There's no

(26:58):
way they ban this. I'm sorry, there's no.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
There's no way.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
There's no shot they ban this card.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's all it does is for that restriction. You just
they just get plus one plus one in vigilance. There's
no way. There is no way. That is not That
is not a no shot. There's no before you lock
it in.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'm locking it in.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I have no before you lock it in. I know
he's something I'm going to get so roasted if I don't.
Have you considered if the deck has no creatures?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Have I considered if the deck has no creatures?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Huh, it's a say it's a control deck.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Okay, I got yeah, but what why would you play this?

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Then?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Like I still don't understand. The question is more around
why wouldn't you? I'm still locking it in. I I
don't your your your tricks don't work on me. I'm
locking it in fair enough.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I so I will say that you're right, he is
not banned, but here it is not banned, but people
do want it banned because Okay.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Explain this please, I'm sorry, like, explain this.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yes, uh in standard and in UH format. Since then,
people want to hear the Orphan guard Band because in
control dex creatureless x combo decks there is in the
history of magic. This is another one that I think
might get banned someday on the idea of selling future cards.
But like usually these decks aren't completely creatureless. There's usually

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that finisher, right, There's usually that one creature that ends
the game. Going back in time, there are cards like Morphling,
their cards like dream Trawler. Over the years, there's always
been like the card that actually ends the game and
mercifully puts the opponent out of their misery. We talked
about to Fairy Hero of Dominaria and how it was
a one card win con because it could tuck itself,

(29:18):
and how that was something people really wanted banned in
Standard and wanted changed on the card because it meant
people no longer had to play a creature to actually
end the game. Kahira incentivizes not playing finishers because you
get a free three two. It doesn't seem like much,
but when you are a control deck and you just

(29:40):
grind them out of resources. And now instead of using
a card that wins in a mercifully in a turn
or two, or a mill card that blasts the rest
of the opponent's library, people are like, I'm gonna get
Cahira the Orphan Guard and attack you for three for
the next seven turns in a row, and that's like
the win con. It's people don't like it because they

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always have to take every creature printed if they're a
control made in an internal format, and compare whether or
not they want that with Kahira and Cahira being like
an eighth card is usually right. And the people who
have to play against controled X hate it because it's
the most painfully slow, stupid idea of a wind gun.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
So you're telling me they want it banned because there
are a bunch of babies because they don't get killed
fast enough. Yes, that's incredible. That is unbelievable. I hope
they never ban this card so that the babies can
keep whining that.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I I.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Can't wait. You see my reaction. You're gonna make a
great short out of this. My jaw was like to
the floor. As you're describing this is the dumbest reason
for a card to get banned I've ever seen in
my life. I'm sorry, Well like that Wizards agrees with you,
because it's still legal in every format.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Good good, good, good good.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Keep them whining, because there's no way this deserves to
be banded.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
No shot, no shot.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, when I was looking these cards up in my head,
I'm not sure why in my head here it got banned.
I just like at some point thinking about it because
I've heard people talk about it so much. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Here is still very very legal. If you
want to play to Fairy Blue, White Control and Pioneer Modern,

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you can have here as your companion.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
That is such a joke. That is such a joke.
This is oh, this is going to go fitting into
my video that we do later. All right, I got one, right,
I'm on the board, so I'll take it. Okay, for
every it's it's a dinosaur hippo apparently caruga the macro

(31:53):
stage or is there one companion for every combination of
hybrid manna?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Have it out?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
So there's ten total?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Ten total?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
All right, so we got three and double Green slash
Blue hybrid for a dinosaur hippo. Never thought I'd see
that in my life. It's like a Stego hippo. Anyway, Uh,
companion you're starting dec contains only cards with converted manicast
three or greater and land cards. Interesting when this enters
draw cards for each other permanent you control with converted

(32:26):
mancost three or greater, draw card for each other permier
control with mancost three or greater. So your first couple turns,
you can't do anything unless you have other stuff that's
expensive that says it has like some alternate effect that

(32:47):
you can do something with it, like.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I'll I'll throw you one because I think we're on
the same page.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Bone crusher giant, Oh, I get it. Okay, So it's
three in its actual cost, but it has this other
effect that it doesn't like care about this because this
isn't the actual like like the mano costs of the card.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Okay, got it, all right, So cute.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
So there's ways to sort of circumvent this so that
way you can still do stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
In your first turns.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yep, which is what I thought I was I was
gonna say. Was I guess I was gonna say, like
force of will, which I don't think that's actually legal,
but I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
It works.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
It's you just it works, so like that that's kind
of the thing I was thinking. So you can still
play on the early turns, which is fine even if
it's not like super Ideal just draws a card for
each other Permia control with Camari Mane cost three or
greater for each other, so it doesn't count himself.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Mhmm.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
This cards kind of win more to me, I feel like,
because if you don't have a board, this does nothing.
But if you do, you're probably already in a good
position anyway, and that if you're drawing like two, three,
four cards, you probably don't even like need them at
that point, like you're probably in a commanding enough position

(34:22):
that if the more it's it's like the more cards
you're drawing off of this, like the more, win more
this card is because it's it just seems like at
that point you'd already be winning the game regardless, and
it's just kind of overkill. And I just feel like,
at least historically, like in Yu gi Oh, cards like
this are just like never very good. So I think
this is fine. I think this is fine. I don't

(34:42):
think this ever got banned, not banned.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna go not ban.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
And you would be correct. Karuga's restriction kind of goes
against competitive magic in general in that you want cheaper
and more efficient, and those decks tend to win out.
Anytime a deck starts to trend towards just being expensive spells,
it becomes less effective. That said, Karuga did see standard play,

(35:09):
and a good amount because of the Fires of Invention deck.
It was actually really good in that deck because even
after the companion tax restriction, Fires of Invention let you
cast spells from equal to the number of lands you
have without tapping Manna for them, but you only got
to cast two spells a turn. The thing with Karuga

(35:30):
is you would pay your three to buy your Karuga
and then cast it for free off fires, usually after
casting a few other spells, and draw some cards and
keep playing. So Karuga was played quite a bit, usually
in blue, red and blue and red and white decks.
That was part of the weirdness of the hybrid cost
is you only had to play blue in your deck

(35:51):
to run Karuga. You didn't have to name green at all.
So yep, Karuga got played, but was not nearly as
threatening or oppressive.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
It seems fine, Like I'm not saying it's a bad card.
It's just I didn't think it's band worthy.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, okay, all right, Well you like cats so much.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
That I mean, this is a cool looking cat. I'm
not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Uh oh, I think you mentioned Is this the card
you mentioned before we started filming Lewis?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Now you're saying Lewis of the dream.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Den a time or two.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
You may have one in two white and black hybrid
manna for a cat nightmare. Yeah, that's what i'd call this.
I liked a cute little baby one though companion. Each
permanent card in your starting deck has converted mano costs
two or less. Whoa, This is like the opposite of
of karuga. Interesting life link. So lifelink is when it

(36:45):
does damage, you gain health, right, correct, you gain Yes,
it's it's it's it's any So even if it does
damage to a creature, that still triggers it. Right, it's
not like it does direct like face or anything.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Uh. If you deal damage to it, can you say
that again? If he deals amateur a creature like in combat,
if it sties combat amateur a creature, you would gain
three life gotcha.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Okay, yeah, yea yeah. I was not sure you'd have
to go like face with it or something. I don't
know why.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Anyway, during each of your turns, you may cast one
permanent spell with converted mane costs.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Two or less from your graveyard.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Oh, that seems very good.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
That seems there.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Like it's literally the opposite of what you just said
with Karuga, because like Karuga, you're like, oh, most competitive
magic cares about cheap spells. Loris is like one of
the cheapest. Is this the cheapest one you've showed. No,
Kahira was the same cost but different colors. But this
is one of the cheapest ones you've shown me. And
you want to have cheap spells in your deck tically

(37:47):
typically anyway, And the longer this card stays out, if
you can protect it, you just get to keep bringing
stuff back. Oh, this card seems very good. This seems
like the best one of the bunch. But Garuda wasn't banned.

(38:08):
Though Garuda wasn't banned, this I know. No, this seems
a lot better than Garuda. Though it's cheaper. There's so
much upside.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
And the companion tax was changed within like six weeks
or something after release, so you also should be asking
like how much does that fix it? Or not?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, without the companion tax, this this seems busted. I'm
not gonna lie. This seems very good. With the companion tax?
Does that fix things? So then you wouldn't be able
to play this on you'd have to pay for it

(39:00):
first and then played to turn later. Does that even matter?
Because everything in the decks so cheap anyway? Like do
you care if this is one turn later? Because like
if you get this out and you just protect it,
like you just win the game just straight up. Because
like any permanent spell convert a man to cost too
or less, there's like all the stuff that like gives

(39:20):
you extra manna. There's like I'm sure there's like plenty
of other just like insane targets for this, and you're
just building your whole deck around it, and you're in
black so you can like mill them probably too, to
like just have good stuff to get off of luris. Oh,
this seems nuts. This seems very good. I am I

(39:43):
gonna say what I think I'm gonna say. I think
even post change, I think they probably had to ban
this in some format, especially if you're talking about the
old formats that have like all the crazy broken cards,
I think this card's even better. But I think even
in standard this card is good. Am I gonna say
post Nerf, it's still banned. Definitely pre Nerve, I think

(40:06):
this got banned. The alarm bells are ringing for me.
I I think, I'm wow, I'm torn on this.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
I think you're.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Going for bonus points. Well, you have a shot you
want to call. You want to call a shot, you
should do it.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
You should do what you want to do. I think
it was still banned post Nerve. I don't think a
turn delay affects this in the slightest, Like who cares
because you go okay, you go like okay, I'm thinking
my head. You go turn one, play like a dork,
and then turn two you're a three MANA then so

(40:51):
then you buy Louris and then you can still play
it on turn three if you're playing like some green
in your deck, right, yeah you could yeah, Or if
you have like a like a man of Rock or
something to like, you know, like what's the card I
played in our command Lotus pedal?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Right, I don't know if there's like another Lotus pedal equivalent.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Dude, this can you can cast the Lotus pedal immediately?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I know that's my point, and so like I'm thinking, yeah, exactly,
and then you can, yeah, theoretically. Again, I don't know
if this wasn't standard or not, but like then you
just keep recurring the fucking Lotus pedal and then like
it's like it's like Muldrotha but like super cheap in
that sense.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yes, that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Right, and like I already know the crazy power level
of that card.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Did you know you could play three Man of Muldrotha
as your commander?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I did not. I mean that that that. You know.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I never was like particularly fond of white, but you know,
granted I don't even have to play white, just play black,
which is the superior color. Anyway, I think they banned
this post Nerf. I think they banned this post Nerf. Okay,
this seems this seems very I I think it's a shot.
I think it's a eight. I'm doing a Hail Mary
on this one because I think statistically it's probably right

(42:00):
to say it got it was fine post Nerve, But
I don't know, man, like, like my my gears are
turning on all the crazy stuff you can do with this.
So I I think I think it's banned. Yeah, I
think I think it's still banned post nerve. Yeah, okay,

(42:21):
all right, uming it in. I'm kicking it in.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Laris is the dream den, unlike Caruga, basically encourages good
load to the ground, efficient deck building, and therefore was
pretty much a Day one sensation. I feel like the.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Number play this for the record.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Ce DH has played this, maybe not as a commander,
but in the deck, in a lot of decks like
you will find Laris at times. It's one happened. Uh,
Louris can be a commander. It's definitely not a bad commander,
h for sure. I've played it in brawl a good amount.
Let's let's just it's not about did Laris get banned anymore?

(43:03):
It really isn't. It's about how much how Oh my god,
oh my god. So we're gonna talk. I looked up
a little I looked up a little info on how
fast Laris got banned and Laris faced released on April

(43:24):
twenty fourth or twenty twenty, faced multiple bands in multiple
formats due to its overwhelming power. Here is a timeline
of how quickly it was banned in key formats Vintage Vintage.
By the way, vintage is where black Lotus is legal.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
All right, my god.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Vantage hadn't had a quote power level band. They had
had like mechanics bands, but they hadn't had a power
level ban since nineteen ninety six. Twenty four d twenty
four days is how long it took. Twenty four days

(44:06):
is when Lewis got banned in.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
B Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I mean, if you're getting back Black Lotus every turn,
that seems freak.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Now. Remember this is when the companion had no tax
so you would go you could go turn one black
one black Lewis Lotus back.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Oh my god, that's crazy. I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, pretty good, pretty good. Uh And it was crazy
virtually every deck, right, they're like the only question was
whether or not you run Force of Will.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
But like basically Lars chased Force of Will out of
its most popular format.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
That's that's unbelievable. Wow.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Uh so that'll be honest. I don't think I knew
vintage like was a thing. I didn't realize there was
a format where you could play Black Lotus.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
It's kind of not, Oh it is. It is the
it's a magic online like league thing is where vintage
is played the most, and I think like once a
year they have Vintage championships where people get together with
their very real vintage cards and everybody in the room
is like on high alert at all times that their
life savings might get snatched if they get deck checked.

(45:18):
It's the rich people format, got it. Oh, it's a
it's act of a format, but yes they do. I
think they do still have a yearly Vintage championship. But yeah,
it's basically done its own thing for all this time.
And then they had to ban Luris. By the way,
it was unbanned, and it was unrestricted later in twenty

(45:39):
twenty after the change in the companion tax rule in vintage,
because once they added the three manna the problem was mostly.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Fine, sure, okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
In legacy, this is the also old stuff format without
the power nine with a very long ban list. In Legacy,
Lewis was banned on July thirteenth and twenty twenty eighty
days after its release, and after the companion tax adjustments,
what after another keep going It was able to get

(46:14):
back permanence like Mishra's Bobble, which basically for zero man,
I let you draw an extra card every turn because
it was just a zero man artifact. You sacked a
draw card.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
So let's just draw too. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, it just gave you a It just gave you
a two card draw engine that if you got it
going like victory was at that point determined. Sure, if
one player is drawing two cards a turn and the
other isn't, the game is.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Going to end eventually, of course.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about Modern Oh banned on
March seventh, in twenty two a post, six hundred and
eighty three days after release.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
That's crazy. Took them like two years to ban it.
In Modern Wow, people musn't have been pissed.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
It became the dominant companion, appearing in twenty to thirty
percent of the meta, which is very high in Modern.
Modern is supposed to be a format where like ten
percent it is a lot. Yeah. Yeah's band in Pioneer,
which is somewhere between Standard and Modern, banned on April fourth,
seven and ten days after release. It was banned for

(47:18):
being a staple and aggressive and mid range decks and
reducing format diversity.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
They talked about Jagantha with reducing diversity. I feel like
this car diverse and even worse.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yep, somehow never banned in standard, made it out of
standard alive. Once the companion tax was fixed, Leris decks
became much less popular in standard inter just the power
of permit I mean euro was legal and standard like
you know, I beloved so yeah, okayis was still really
popular in like cat Oven, but then they couldn't even

(47:52):
play some of their best payoffs, like Mayhem Devil. Like
the power of a three drop or a four drop
in standard is higher than in older formats.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
A speak like it's a smaller cardpool, right, smaller carpool.
Yeah yeah, but this is this is the ultimate nightmare.
Cat Loris is one of the most banded cards of
all time.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
That's so funny. Damn this card looks fun as fuck.
Of course, I've always attracted all the broken stuff, you know,
it's it's I guess it's my ugioh nature.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Speaking of fun, I got another for you.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Oh fun Uhlue Tree, what tree?

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Lou Tree?

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Lou Tree is generally acceptable. The spell Chaser one and
two Blue and two red. Oh, just blue in it.
It's an elemental otter, very cute companion. Each non land
card in your starting deck has a different name. Oh
so you just play commander cool. Uh flash, and then
when Loutree the spell chaser enters the battlefield, if you

(48:50):
cast it, what does that mean? If you cast it, does
that mean it has to uh?

Speaker 1 (48:56):
So they're they're trying to avoid tricks like if you flickering.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Right, Okay, okay, so it has to be like you're
either casting it from like your hand or graveyard, or
like you can't like duplicated or resummon it or things
like that.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
It has to be cast, not cheated into play or blinked.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, got it. Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh so even if you uh does it not work?
If you go like reanimate it, that doesn't trigger it. No,
it does not interesting Okay, all right, so you have
to like actually cast this copy target instant or sorcery
spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Huh mmmmmmmmm mmm. So okay, so let me understand this correctly,

(49:41):
because I I don't really think you gio has anything
like this, so I need to like I need to
clarify mechanically, so you would like play an instant or
sorcery and then because this has flash on the stack,
play Loutrey.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, the holding priority is what we call it in magic.
Responding to yourself, yep, okay, so you're allowed to Okay,
let me ask another question. Now, Okay, you go activate
pot of Greed.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I'm gonna say pot of Greed is legal in magic
now classic. Okay, So you activate Pot of Greed, your
opponent on the stack. So wait, you have the ability
to maintain priority that you can put Lutree on the
stack before your opponent gets a chance to put anything
on the stack. Is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
So if you put Pot of Greed on the stack
and then you hold priority and put Loutree on the stack,
Lutree still has to resolve and target the Pot of
Greed before you get two more cards, so the opponent
will have an opportunity then to counter the Pot of Greed,
in which case your Loutree wouldn't like.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
See, that's so weird for you Gio for multiple reasons.
Because one, we don't have the ability to hold priority
at all. Like if you play a card, your opponent
always gets the first chance to play something in response
unless there's like a triggered effect that would like go
on the stack.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
In addition to that, So the.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Weird things holding priority is it's actually not that big
of an advantage. It's in many ways a bigger risk
because if something happens to the first spell, the reason
you held priority and the thing you added to the
stack won't have the effect you were looking for.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Well, it's also weird because mechanically, if you go pot
of Greed put lutree on the stack by holding priority.
Theoretically in yu gi oh, if you have a card
that says negate Pod of Greed, it wouldn't be able
to be used because those types of effects have to
be used directly in response to the activation of a card,
not the way.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
It works in magic. You can if you had that
negate you could target any if you had a counter spell,
you could target anything on the stack from any part
of the order of the stack.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
That's so yep, okay, that's crazy that that would like
break you gioh if that were the case. So copying
so tar we're getting it then is not part of
like the cost, it's like part of the resolution.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
That's so weird because in U GEO you would most
likely target it for the cost and then like that's
when you would have your opponent had the chance to respond.
So okay, wait, so that means then god, this is
racking my brain. So okay, So okay, further follow up
question pot of greed on the stack loutree on the stack.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
If you go, like.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I'm trying to think, Okay, let's say there's a card
that doesn't negate pot of greed like a counter spell,
but it destroys pot of greed prior to the resolution
of Lutrie because it's the third thing on the stack.
Does that mean loutre doesn't have a target?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Then that is correct. That's why it's a bigger risk.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Okay, I see, okay, all right, I'm like I get it,
but it's like my conditioned you GIO four IQ brain
isn't used to the fact that you can just do
all this stuff like that's just that's nuts. It's also
weird that you guys can do stuff like mid stack resolution.
That's even crazier to me. But we're not going to

(53:11):
get into that right now. Sure anyway, okay, so I
think I understand this card now, there's there's a lot
I had to like a lot of like asterisks I
need to like to resolve here. Okay, so you it
enters the battlefield, if you cast it, you copy the thing,
and then you get to choose a new target for it.

(53:32):
This doesn't seem like a super unique effect for your game.
It's not like I feel like, which is funny because
like in Yu Giah, we don't really have like copy effects.
There's like maybe like a card or two that does
something like this, which is interesting that you guys just
have it like commonly, how do you break this card?

(53:56):
How do you break this card? It only does it once? Right,
I'm understanding that it's just once. How crazy is that?
If I copy Pot of Greed? How crazy is that?
That's pretty good, But in magic that's not the same.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Our Pot of Greed costs three mana like two if
you're doing something to reduce its costs, so it's pretty
expensive play How do you.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Break this How do you break this car? Copy target,
insert source or you control.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
You could only run one Pot of Greed in that
scenario as well.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
That's true because you everything has a different name. That's
so interesting because that feels like such a restrictive deck
building condition for this effect. So clearly there's got to
be like something there that I'm not considering. If no,

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because we said if you do like a hoppy effect,
that that doesn't work because you have to cast this.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I'm torn on this one. This one's hard.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Huh okay, Like it's good value. It's like, you know,
do a thing that does like three damage, you copy it,
it does six, you can kill like two things.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
That's pretty good. Ah God, I feel like there's something
I'm missing here. I'm really trying to figure it out.
I would you like to throw me a bone?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I don't really have one.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Uh oh okay, I heard you clacking away on your keyboard.
I'm like, oh, is he getting me something?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I wish my un keyboard weren't so loud. But sometimes
I have to double it. Like I have a thought
of like I'm pretty sure that's true, and I just
have to double check it.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Sure, sure, sure, sure m.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I'm just I'm really trying to think of like the
most egregious thing you can do with this, and it's
like there's some cool stuff you can do, but like
none of it seems broken, especially because this is like
not a commander that you could keep. If this was
a commander, you could keep casting over and over again,
then like okay, ooh, but does that mean they could

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have banned it in actual commander? If it has flash,
can you flash it out from your command.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Zone if it's your commander?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yes, that might change things because if you're already playing commander,
you don't care about the deck building restriction, and then
you have this thing that just lets you copy stuff
that you can constantly keep bringing back and back. Oh
did they ban this in Commander? Is that what I'm

(56:50):
missing here? You're still having to pay the tax on
it if you keep recasting it over and over again.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Maybe that's it.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Maybe maybe that's the trick here. Maybe they banned this
in Commander, but everything else it was fine.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Going with that, I think I'm gonna go with that.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, okay, because it seems like this could be a
very high value commander, So I'm gonna go. So I
will say it got banned in some format, and I
think that format's Commander.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Loutrie is the fastest band card of all time.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
WHOA really?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Loutrie was banned twenty two days before it got released.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
What it got pre banned.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Remember at the time, Commander is not controlled by Wizards
of the Coast. Okay, Loutree got revealed, spoiled and the
Command and or Advisory Group banded on April second, and
it wasn't really funny.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Okay, wait, so what is there like some broken thing
I'm missing here or is it just like is it
just the values just too much?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's the fact that the companion cost isn't a cost,
and Commander sure, so every deck that is blue and
red anywhere in its identity, so every like three color,
four color, five color deck like they all now have
Loutree as a companion, and every they were just like,

(58:32):
I think that there were a number of reasons to
be concerned about that. For one, if you're talking about
that many decks just should run Loutree because why wouldn't you.
What does that do to the price of a card? Yeah,
shoot it to the move uh huh. So then Commander
becomes about like who has the money for a Loutree

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and who doesn't? So they they banned it before.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
You can still like that anyway, but I'm not you know, well,
I mean, if.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
You want to go about whether or not a certain
card that is really good. That's very expensive. Whether or
not people can have that, it's still one in your
ninety nine. You still have to draw it. Sure, and
with lou Tree you have access to it from the
jump immediately. Okay, that's a big difference.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Sure, yeah, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
That it got banned on April second, via tweet to
the Commander Rules Committee.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
So like, okay, so let me ask this, even though
it was banned, did people like play this deck as
like an experiment to see, like, was it actually like
crazy busted like they thought?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Oh, I'm sure people have, and there's been content creators
who made videos with Lutree, But is Lutree busted? I
don't think it has anything to do with Lutree being busted.
It's just more but.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
It's more like a design philosophy thing of like every
deck's just playing Lutree, So it's not fun. Okay, yes,
okay exactly, And I can see that in Brawl, which
is Arena's one v one commander based format, it was
banned on April sixteen, eight days before release, same.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Reason, I imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yep, but we're not done in Legacy. On May eighteenth
of twenty twenty twenty four days after release, the ability
to copyes instance and sorceries for free from the Cybird
was too strong, and it was banned in Legacy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Okay, so like, what kind of is is your sources?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Are we copying here? Like what it's like, dude? It
is legacy kill stuff, draw cards like anything you want,
value stuff? Okay, combos that win the game, I'm not sure.
Leave me a comment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
What was curiously like what it was, because I like, again,
it just seems like a really high value card, but
I was trying to feel like, what are the interactions? Like,
I'm just curious in so many ways, it's just kind
of like it's just so much value.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
It's just free. It's it's just sitting there. I remember
at this point there's no command at tax. Also on
mainteenth banned in Vintage for similar reasons, and then on
after Commander Tax. On August third of twenty twenty one
hundred and one days after release, Lutree was banned in Pioneer,
where it was much less dominant, much quote, much less dominant,

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but still provided too much value in minimal deck building
restriction in spell heavy decks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Crazy yeah, crazy, I don't think it got banned like
all over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Yeah, it seems like a good card.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I'm not, you know, downplaying that. I just I didn't
expect it to be like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Good you you found the Commander thing that was gonna
be the you may have missed of this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I denied you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
They had to kill that one again. Banned twenty days before.
That's in twenty two days before it even saw play.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yu gi Oh has only pre banned cards like twice maybe,
and it was because it was like a card that
was like extremely broken. I can only think of two
times that they've done it yet. That's insane. And it's
like almost a month before release too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
It's wild. Yeah, on site, they banded on site. Anyway,
are you ready? Here comes another?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Oh god?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Uh, what the hell is this? Oh bosh the Prey
Piercer three two black, two red hybrid or two black
red hybrid for a Hellian Helian Hellian horror it gets
from Hell.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Apparently it's a horror from Hell. Looks like one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Uh companion, you're starting deck contains only cards with odd Okay,
so this is the opposite of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Garuda YEP or whatever. Garuda. It is garuda.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Okay yep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
If a source you control with an odd converted manna
cost would deal damage to a permanent or player, it
deals double that damage to that player or permanent instead.
It has to be odd. It goes to permanent or players,
so that means creatures count. It's not just face.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Huh. He costs five.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It looks like a it looks like a like a
nightmare centipede.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, yeah, hm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Double damage huh, double damage.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
You're such a damage aggro guy. I know you'll I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I am very much not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yu gi oh has a few effects like this, but
they're all bad. They're all very very bad. They're all
very very well because the reason is in you gioh
you can just kill your opponent at almost any juncture,
so like you don't need a double damage effect for
the most part. So many of the decks can just

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assemble combos to get eight thousand damage plus on the board.
That it's like if you have a double damage thing,
it's kind of just like overkill. I can't really think
of anything that dealt double damage or enabled double damage
that was like insane, Like a lot of the cards

(01:04:30):
I'm thinking of are like bad and like never saw
like any play. So that's that's that's not a good
start for our friend here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Not a fan so far got it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
He's also expensive, Like if he costs what Luris costed,
I wouldn't like that might be better because I feel
like a lot of like burn decks are like pretty
low to the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, that would be better. You're right if it were
too man a cheaper, it would be a lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, you're laughing that that could mean that this card's dusted.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Have no idea. It's a three five.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
This is tough because it's like I feel like, for
the most part, if you're playing a regular game of magic,
like most of your stuff is probably gonna be already
like geared to like appropriately deal with opposing threats regardless.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
So dealing the double.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Damage to the permanence might help in some instances, but
I feel like it's like, okay, sure, but I feel
like your removal probably can already appropriately deal with the
threat regardless. So then it's like, okay, the double damage
to the face. So now I'm thinking, is there a
way to cheat this out? You get the double damage

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really early and then you just have like a lot
of super aggressive stuff to just put so much pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
On the opponent that they just like lose or.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
They're forced to make like really bad trades or just
like different things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Like it seems kind of Disneyland to me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
I don't know, this card's fine. I think it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah, I can't wait for you to be like chuckling
over there and like this is like the most broken
one of them all. But yeah, I don't think they
banned this card.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I'm I'm not seeing it, and like maybe that's just
like with my yugih background, that this effect is just
like not good. But I mean, obviously magic games are
a lot different than yu gi oh, so being able
to accelerate the pace of the game quite a bit
could be uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
A problem. I think it's fine, all right, going with fine.
I'm going with fine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
You'd be correct. Oh Bosh survived the commision new phase.
I don't trust you, No, I don't trust you. It's
true Obash never got banned in any format. Do you
believe me now? No, people liked Obash, agro mages liked
Oh Bosh. They tried very hard to build around odd

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costs for Obosh. The great thing about Obosh is that
you got one man of cards, so you got to
run a ton of one man of cards, and then
Obash could come down and double the damage, particularly with
burned to face, was how typically ended the game, and
five mana, you're right, five mana was a bit too
slow because if you did cheaper cards, you got to

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play with Embercleve and a number of other busted Agro cards.
So oh Bosh was something people built around regularly and
tried to build Agro Obash, but it was never banned.
It's totally fine. You until until no, to this day,
Obash has never been Oh watch is fine.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I just feel like I feel like you're keeping the
big going. I feel like you're keeping the big going.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
I don't know why. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I just like, for some reason, I feel like you're
just you're you're just dragging me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
A little sound in my voice? Is that what it was?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I mean, you also were chuckling. You were chuckling earlier,
so then.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Laughing, okay, well you then you didn't meta. You still
said it was fine. You said it wasn't banned, so
you know, don't you want to be right? Isn't good?
I said, Then send me the next card? Then yeah,
here you go, here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
I guess okay, I guess it was fine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Then okay, lets this is unless the bit is continuing
into the next card, then that would be the biggest
slow roll of all time. Okay, Uhmori the collector?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Is this just like a oh it's an ooze?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Excuse me? How did I not figure? How did I
not figure that one out? Ugo has oozes anyway? Two
and H two black green hybrid mana for an ooze
that says, each non land card in your starting deck
shares a card type. So by type is that like,
uh like ooze for instance?

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
No type one?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
It does kind of? So this one is they mean
major types, so creature enchantment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Okay, So if you're playing if you're playing creatures like
you're only playing creatures, if you're playing sorcers, you're only
okay okay because type in yu Gia refers to the tribe.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
I guess if you will. So that's why I got
a big confused there. All right, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Uh as this enters choose to type spells you cast
of the shows and type costs one less to cast. Okay,
so you are playing all creatures, all sorceries, all whatever,
and then you get a nice little discount on them
from the Moory. Hmm, Well, if you're playing Control, you

(01:10:03):
don't care about playing creatures necessarily, except for the stupid
ass companion thing that people are whining about. But even
then that wouldn't be your companion, so that doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
I'm trying to picture on all lands in all instance
Control deck.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
I was about to say, like it's it doesn't just
play one type though. I was just trying to I'm
trying to examine all the options here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
But now you got me thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
You're like, ooh, video idea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Now I'm cooking out all right, yeah, content creator brain,
I don't think I I'm not seeing this. I feel
like this is too harsh a restriction just to get
a one man a discount.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
So Amory is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
You think I think it's fine. I think it's fine.
I think it's too harsh of a restriction. There's too many,
like you want to have like a variety of card types.
For the most part, I feel like, uh, because like
we've we've had a couple of cards in Uya that
are like sort of similar to this I'm talking about,
like Seca's Light for anyone wondering. Basically, it was like

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the condition of you get to play three pot of
Greeds in your deck if you only play monsters as
every other card in your deck.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
But that was actually good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
It didn't get banned, but it was good. That sounds
all right, But like every other is a lot different
from all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
And it's also you gi oh, like where we all
of our monsters just do so much as it is anyway,
and everything's free, so it's like not the it's it's
an Apple's Oranges comparison, and so in this case, because
you have to pay costs for stuff and because it's
just it's not the same, I think it's too restricting.
I think, like I I see what they were going

(01:11:50):
for here, it just seems too restricting to me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I don't see it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
So not banned.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
I'm gonna go with not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Bandumori is widely considered the worst companion. It seems like
it yea yeah, And it has never been banned in
a format, and to my knowledge, has never been discussed
being banned in any formats. Amour has got to be
like the least played and its most common home is
in silly commander decks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Interesting question, its job. Yeah, if it reduced the cost
by two, do you think it would have been played?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I can imagine some decks in other formats, but like
in standard, I still don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Maybe interesting, Like I'm curious at what point the reduction
is actually worth playing this card, right, because I feel
like if you, I feel like, if it was like
a lot higher, there would actually be an argument to
play this card. But I think one is not worth
the payoff of having to have an all creature deck.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Hypothetically.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Still, I still don't know if you could do all creatures.
Well maybe again just hypothetically, Like there are there are
other format of cards that reduce the cost of like
all your creatures by two when they're field and it's
like those aren't broken. My alarm bells went to artifacts
because artifacts are inherently kind of crazy and busted, and
if this reduced all artifacts by two, it would make

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a number of artifacts just enter draw card to enter
draw card, to enter draw card and loop. But that's
like even then, I don't know. There's like the green
and Black don't offer much to that strategy, so I
just don't see it. I don't see it with him, Maury,
and nobody else has really seen it either, as it's
kind of the bad companion, like one out of how

(01:13:34):
many were just a fair normal magic guard one out
of ten. Nice job gives you a little bit of
a heads up that the ones coming up aren't terrible,
but you know, still right what of course, we're not
even talking about Obash anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Okay, we're talking about this card.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Uh Yorian Uryan Yurian the sky nomad.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Giving you a little behind the scenes on my channel,
we say here on the CGB universe, we sayan all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Right Urian like sky nomad.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yeah, this is three and double white blue hybrid manna
for a bird serpent. Okay, you're starting to contains at
least twenty cards more than your minimum deck side. That
is so funny. So wait, okay, let me ask a question.
Are you stuck in magic at a hard sixty for
your deck size?

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
What is your upper limit? There isn't one interesting, So
Yuyo does have an upper limit. That's why I ask.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
And I'm going to cover this right now for Commander,
this car commander is stuck at one hundred. This car
cannot be your companion legally in Commander. That doesn't mean
it was banned. It means the rules don't allow it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
That's very funny. The reason Yu gioh has an upper
deck limit is because someone one time brought a two
thousand card deck to a tournament, uh, and they said,
all right, we're not doing that again, so we have
a upper threshold of sixty for our deck count. So fun, fun,
little piece of fun, little piece of u gi oh
lore there. That player is welcome in magic. To my knowledge,

(01:15:18):
they even brought a shuffling device for uh, for shuffling
this two thousand card contraption that they brought.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Anyway, hold on, you can look it up. There's stories
about it all over the place. For I have to
have you seen did I show you this card.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Battle of Wits? You have showed me this card?

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Aha?

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
I'm sure they would have loved this card.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
This card come in magic, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
That's good. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I'm sure they probably converted anyway, that's flying, which I
would imagine considering it's a fucking bird when you're ine
enters the battlefield, exile any other number of any number
of other non land permanent you own and control, return
those cars to the battlefield at the beginning of the
next end step, beginning of the next end step. So
does that mean your end step Let's say you use

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on your turn. Yes, ok in that case it does Okay.
In Yu gi oh, this might sound very stupid. The
next end step would I think be your opponents because
it would say just end step and then like next
end step is like the one following, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Is the one that arrives next.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Got it that which logically makes more sense, But U
Gio's stupid anyway, Uh okay, So more semantic questions return,
How does return affect things that have entered the battlefield triggers?

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Those triggers will go off simultaneously, and the controller of
the triggers will order the trigger.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
So this is another difference from you gio because in
u gi oh, return does not consider it to be
entering the battlefield. So cards that say if this card
is special summoned hypothetically, they weren't summoned. They were returned
to the field, so those effects don't trigger. So it's
different in our game, which is why we clarify.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
If it's a magic enters the battlefield ability, it will
trigger upon returning at the beginning of the end step,
and the controller then chooses which order those resolve in.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Got it okay? Which the last part is like you
gioh if it was like with multiple trigger but whatever?

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Okay, So that triggers that, which is all I needed
to know for.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
That, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
So it's just a thing that blinks a billion things basically, uh,
with no restriction Like some things blink like one card.
This can blink everything except itself, which who cares? I mean,
that seems good? Does that seem ban worthy? I've seen
that effect in your game plenty of times before. Hmmm,

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that's flying. I was at flash then flash. That'd be
really cool because then it's like you could do it
at like instant speed and like protect stuff and then
retrigger stuff. That would be kind of neat. That might
be too good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Then ah, I'll tell I mean, I'll there are cards
that can give it flash. There are also cards that
can quote blank it at instant speed, so trigger the
enter's ability and then it again. Yeah, because it's an
enter's ability.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Hmmm. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
So then you start off this chain of like blink
the thing to like blink other things, and then it
just like keeps going.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
It is I could possible to blink your Urian, return
a card that blinks your Urian, blink that card, then
on the next end step return that card blinking your Urian,
blinking your Urian, which then returns and blinks that card,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Uhha, Is that good? Though not?

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Depending on the effect, that's probably pretty good. That bandworthy?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
I'm gonna say this card is extremely good, but I
don't think they banned it. And this can be my
lack of understanding with the game and like certain things,
and there's probably.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Context I'm missing here, but.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Like even with the interactions we're talking about, that just
seems it seems good, don't get me wrong, But like Bandworthy,
I don't know. I don't know if I see the
alarm bells, so enlighten me, show me the light, show
me the light. It's a blue card, which makes me suspicious.
I will say, oh yeah, so what do we got?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
What do we got? God? I have am monologue to
give about Yuriankay, oh boy, all right, I'm wrong, This
is wrong, this is this comes from an emotional place, all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Right, does it all? This is going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
It's CGB in twenty twenty was a growing content creator
who still didn't know how to make a thumbnail, but
was definitely diving deep into emptg arena. And they're cutting
his hair for a huge number of days, and in
the middle of what would turn out to be my
thousand plus day streak of making a video every single day.
And something that anybody who watched my channel during that

(01:20:34):
time will probably remember most is the sheer amount of
Urian decks I made of every different nature because Urian,
unlike the other companions, can go in any deck as
long as you're willing to add twenty cards to it.
Everybody can have a Yurian if they're willing to add
twenty cards, which allowed as a content creator some of

(01:20:55):
the dumbest shit I've ever done, which is so fun.
So I got so I built a mono red deck
that was an agro deck. But you you go twenty
cards over with Urian as your companion. Why would you
do such a thing? Because in best of one arena,
my format of choice when you queued up in the companion.

(01:21:16):
Era was the first time we had a real glimpse
of our opponent's strategy before we'd mulliganed. Sure, So if
I saw an oh Bosh, I knew what their deck was.
If I saw a Ruda, I knew what their deck was,
and I could look at my hand and I would say, hmm,
not good enough or yep, best hand I could have
against that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
It was bait, is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
When they saw Urian, they assumed immediately it was a
control deck. Like that, that's cool, like that, I love that. Oh,
it was wonderful. I got to mythic number one with
a mono white agro deck with Urian as the companion,
the same same principle. It was very amazing. It was

(01:21:59):
it didn't even like use Urian's ability at all, Like
we didn't care they had a four or five bait
sitting there and adding adding twenty cards to your deck
in a very powerful standard format turned out to not
be a big cost. Everybody was like, ooh, the consistency.
Not only was it not a big deal to add
cards to the deck, people grew to love it because

(01:22:21):
they got to play with more cards, like you had
the right answer for certain situations and as Yurian uh
especially Yurian also was extremely busted before the Commander tax
rule because you would run it in decks with like
agent of that cheated out agent of treachery, like the
Transmography Luca deck would cheat out a card a creature

(01:22:43):
that stole the opponent's land yoink, and then they would
flicker it with Urian.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
And it was so bad in like Commander that it's
so easy to build a Urian deck that just flickers
Urian on everybody's turn, which means I'm free.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
End step. You're gaining value just with something that enters
and draws or something that enteres in. Oh, it's amazing.
It's when people ask my favorite card, my favorite card
of all time, it's Urian. I have so many fan
items sent to me. I've signed so many Urians that
you are looking at. Actually literally my favorite card of
all time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Do they make a good statue? Make a good statue
to the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Extent of which when Wizards of the Coast designer Gavin
Verhete made me a custom card for their unknown events.
I don't know if many people know about this, but
at Magic Con, Gavin longtime Magic designer. He makes cards
for content creators of them as legendary creatures. This was
that's cool, that's cool. The Covert Blue Mage tune in

(01:23:44):
a blue. It's a human rogue.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
If the Covert Blue Mage is your commander, You're starting
deck can contain a number of cards beyond the maximum
deck size. When the Covert Blue Mage enters created colorless
equipment artifact token name coverts sunglasses as equip creature can't
be blocked and has equipped to white.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I one of my first conversations with Gavin was about
how I wish that I could have Urian as my
companion and commander, and he remembered that for I guess
years made this card, and that was the whole point
is that if this rule change happened in Commander, if
this were a legal card, you could run Yorian as
your companion. So that's the People who know me know

(01:24:27):
I'm very closely associated with this card, which is why
I'm really delighted to have this conversation about all the
wonderful things Orion did. Jorian made it through the companion
tax movement without a band, made it out of standard
without a ban, and for the most part lived a
happy and brilliant and healthy life in formats like historic
and Pioneers and all of that, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
It's so dramatic, and then I know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
On May twenty ninth of twenty twenty three, one and
thirty one days and just over three years after release,
Wizards came for Momboy in the format of Modern because

(01:25:22):
it was I don't know, too good with evil elementals
or something some anyway, it is, Yes, Yori became a
stable modern control and apparently it was too much synergy.
Yurian comprised ten to fifteen percent of the modern meta.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
And they manned it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
And scene Mabe is like seven, like what seventy percent
of the standard day two meta and they can't shit.
I don't even play modern and I'm emotional?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Did you pick this video just so you could talk
about Urian? Was that the idea?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Honestly, often when I thought about doing this, I was
thinking about Lutri and Luris and how broken are and
how fun it would be to show them to you.
I at many points forgot Yurian was in this group,
and every time I remembered, I was like, yes, finally,
So anyway, my boy, my boy, we have to go

(01:26:37):
back if they reprint one companion.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Anyway, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
I don't know if you've noticed, but other than the
very very beginning, we've been going alphabetical, and we have one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I have not noticed. I'll be honest. I noticed we
didn't do the red white one. That's what I noticed.
Here it comes, Oh, this card looks sick Zerta the
dawn Waker. That's a cool name too. One in double
red white hybrid for an elemental Fox. They're like Naruto
looking Each permanent card in your starting deck has an

(01:27:07):
activated ability. That's an interesting deck building restriction. Abilities you
activate that aren't menna abilities cost too less to activate.
This effect can reduce the manacostalyst in one mana and
then one and tap target creature can't block this or
that's so random like that last part of the effect

(01:27:28):
is just so random that it can do that, Like, Okay, sure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
It had to have an activated ability or it wouldn't
meet its own requirement.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
I guess that makes sense. They're just it just seems
like such. They're like, eh, give it an activated ability
like whatever. And I guess I guess red white can
be very aggressive, so like maybe that's that was the thinking,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Activated ability.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Does that mean something that has to be done at
sorcery speed or like instance speed, instance like it's it's
not like an ETB effect because that's not an activated
ability or does that right?

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
It's not an activated ability.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
It's something it's something you manually have.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
We call these ignition effects in ubio, where you manually
have to say I am doing the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Okay. So that means you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Can't do anything with ETBs. That's rough. I feel like
some of the best effects in your game are ETBs,
and the fact that this card prevents you from playing
any of those, I feel like is not good. Even
though the stuff is reduced, I feel like that's a
big enough downside that I don't think this card is banned.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
In all of Eternal Magic.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Magic Yep, I don't. I don't see it. I don't
see it. I think it's too harsh of a restriction.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
I really didn't know, all right, Does this change your mind?
Grim Monolith, This is a old ass card. Two mana
grim Monol. It doesn't not untap. During your untapped phase,
tap add three colorless manna to your manipool. Play this

(01:29:09):
ability as a man of source and for four you
could untap it. Hmm, So it costs too less to
activate to untap so you go, what you pay it,
you get three, you untap it, so you always go,
you always net one and then hypothetic.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
So you basically can go infinite with this, right yep?
In my understanding that, right, yep, you can go infinite
your game with a bunch of stuff, and that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
This is fine, and this is still fine, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Zerta was arguably the one of the fairest companions. It
was totally fine in standard, It was fine before and
after the companion tax restriction. It's still legal in Pioneer,
it's still legal in Command. It's legal and modern. But
it did get banned in legacy, and is wow, okay,

(01:30:06):
because so Grim Monolith isn't the only card like this.
There's another one called Monolith, So banning one of the
monoliths would have done it and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Solved the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Yeah, the deck was straight up like because you had
Zerta in your companion zone. If your opening hand had
a piece of ramp and a Grim Monolith or another monolith,
and you just immediately had infinite manna, and then you'd
have like a card that just did like for some
very high number one damage to a target. But because
you had infinite you just win the game on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
It's funny because like I feel like you guys have
plenty of infinite combos in your game, so like we
just like it just didn't seem like, okay, it just
seemed like to me, another infinite combo. It's like, okay,
like if you if you're if you're good enough at
the game and draw it cool, Like I mean, I
guess you don't have to draw Zerta, but.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Well it's like the extra deck problem because you always
you nailed it. You don't have to draw a Zerta.
It's just so now you have what's what you'll find
CDH players call a one card combo because the it's
really a two card combo.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Because you just grim Modolith you have the combo.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, so you just have to do
have this one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
It's a little too easy and a little too on
the spot. Game over, So got it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Okay, all right, so you guys do have some you know,
morals in terms of how how broken your infant toe
combos are.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Got it? I see yeah, exactly, you should have to
work a little bit for your.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
You have to work a little bit for your infinite combo.
You can have your infinite combo, you's got to do
a little bit more than just a one open Grim
modelith right, exactly. Mulligans in your game too, Like you
have mulligans in your game, which I forget. So that
impacts a lot because it's like you could just heavily
aggressively mulligan.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
For Grim Modolith and then you draw it and you
just win on the spot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
So yeah, uh, Louris and Zerda were banned on the
same day in legacy less than interesting, like like about
twenty twenty some days after release. It was a very
quick move and it's remained banned this day, even after
the companion tax change. So justin legacy though, justin legacy,
only in legacy all other formats. Fine, so you're closer

(01:32:08):
to right than wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Yeah, yeah, as far as there's one exception, sure, but
I was still wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
So yeah, I was really torn on like do I
show you when do I show you Grim Monolith on
this one? And you know what, it's it's all good.
I respect your position that maybe broken formats should deal
with broken things.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
That's kind of how I feel, to be honest with you.
I mean because I as a Yu gi Oh player,
we deal with that every day. H So you know,
you just you just deal with it. But yeah, I guess,
like I said, you guys have some uh moral compass.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Well, what do you think You've seen all ten companions?
You've raided them. It's widely seen as one Magic's biggest mistakes.
The real question is do you have a favorite companion?

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Uh, Lauris one hundred percent like Lewis is so so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Sorry it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Ryan Yory is cool too, Like I like it, but
but I got to give it to Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
I think if you knew the joy of blinking omen
of the Sea, which is just an enchantment that is
like draw card and scry to if you knew what
I knew about just blinking multiple Omens of the sea
every single it's just step. It's funny. It's like I
kind of re read every can step dude?

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Can I can I take over your video at the
end here just a little okay, So there's only like
I'm not joking. This might be the only card and
then maybe about the only card. But there's very few
cards in you gioh that have like a blink effect,
so maybe I just don't have that context. So this
is like, this is like the we got this card
released relatively recently into the game, and this is like

(01:33:42):
really the first like insane blink effect type card that
we had.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
You could give it a read if you want.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Yeah, because it's yead, it's funny, it looks like it
look kind of looks like it's like demonic Urian.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Yes, guy, Ruda and Urian got together world see Dragon
Zelantis Attack twenty five hundred link for a c Serpent
plus one effect Monsters. You can only control one of these.
You can only use each of the following effects once
per turn. During your main phase, you can banish all monsters,
then special some as many monsters as possible that were

(01:34:20):
banished by this effect to their owner's fields face up
or in face down defense position. Ooh. During the battle phase,
you can destroy cards on the field up to the
number of coalingked monsters on the field. Interesting, I added
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
To this, they did, So this is like, honestly one
of like maybe the best I cause like I can't
really think of like there's like a couple cards that
kind of blink, but like I said, they return stuff
to the field, so it doesn't trigger their like on
like some in effects. So Zilantis is like the first
one that says then special some in those monsters back.

(01:34:56):
But it's cool because it blinks your opponent's stuff too.
And one thing that's meat with you gioh is that
because we have like the columns for the zones and stuff,
you can choose where their cards go, and that actually
can fuck with a lot of different deck strategies. Yeah,
so the Atlantis just everything goes away in a tidal
wave and then you get to put it back like
when the when the tide recedes, right. Yeah, So it's

(01:35:18):
a it's a very cool card. It's a very It
didn't see a ton of play. There were some like
otks with it, but for the most part it didn't
see like the most play, not like every deck played it.
But a very very cool card. So that's what when
I saw Yori, and that's what this reminded me of.
So I thought, I, you know, share some u gio
with you. Is definitely some.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Yu gi oh, I think the big I'm thinking about
it and Blinking in magic is very different because in
Yuyoh it's free in a sense, so returning it to
hand or return it to extra deck to resummon it
is like if you return a regular monster and then
summon it again to get this effect, like you didn't
pay anything. So blinking is and bouncing bouncing is better,

(01:35:56):
right right, It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
It is interesting, But that's the that's the fun of
our games is that we get to see all the
differences and how similar they are at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Laris is a worthy choice, all right. In the Companion
episode woo oh, Busch got banned. I knew it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
I fucking knew it. I knew it. You were fucking
slow rolling me the whole time. I knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Actually it No, it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Oh,

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