July 4, 2024 • 20 mins
An interview with Ben who uses birdwatching and walking in nature to help his anxiety and mental health.
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Join Loraine from Gracious Mountain Therapies as she explores how hobbies and crafts can boost mental health. She will talk to people from all walks of life about how they have found solace, inspiration and resilience through their own pursuits, hobbies or crafts. Creative Sparks, is a podcast dedicated to harnessing the power within us to nurture mental health and wellbeing across all age groups.
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Echoes from the Mountain - Creative Sparks
Join Loraine from Gracious Mountain Therapies as she explores how hobbies and crafts can boost mental health. She will talk to people from all walks of life about how they have found solace, inspiration and resilience through their own pursuits, hobbies or crafts. Creative Sparks, is a podcast dedicated to harnessing the power within us to nurture mental health and wellbeing across all age groups.
Echoes from the Mountain is a podcast by Gracious Mountain Therapies
Echoes from the Mountain YouTube Channel can be found here
Music by Chris Collins, Indie Music
Ready to climb your own personal mountain and looking for help? Loraine is an accredited BWRT practitioner, clinical Hypnotherapist and Advanced EFT practitioner. Book an initial consultation at https://www.graciousmountain.co.uk/book-online
If you would like to support my podcast and YouTube channel I do have a buy me a coffee page https://www.buymeacoffee.com/echoesfromthemountain
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(00:12):
Welcome to Echoes from the Mountain CreativeSparks, the podcast where we explore the
incredible power of hobbies and crafts andthe natural world to nurture our mental health.
I'm your host, Lorraine from GraciousMountain Therapies, and I believe that
the passions that we pursue outside ofour daily routines can be our strongest allies
(00:39):
in finding joy, building resilience andweathering life storms. Today we have Ben
with us, and Ben is goingto talk to us about his hobbies.
So Ben, tell us about thehobby that you're really passionate about. Well,
(01:03):
my main hobby is really bird watchingand walking. I find since I
discovered it, that's helped with mymind and my body. It's done revelations
for me. It's the learning,the learning aspect of what is that sound?
(01:25):
Where is it? It's the mysteryof what you're going to discover and
what you're going to learn, Andthen you're always seeking out this. If
you discover a favorite sound of acertain bird, you want to keep hearing
it, and then you go lookingfor it, and then you go to
(01:45):
different places and you hear different sounds, and it's the unknown. For me,
and it gives me an excitement.It helps distract me from normal day
to day running life. What madeyou go into actual bird watching? Was
there something that inspired you. I'vealways been into nature, but I've never
(02:07):
really took the plunge to learn andact on it. It's just in recent
times when since I've suffered with anxietyor mental health, It's helped me feel
better and it gives me a differentinsight into life and just makes me really
(02:32):
certain, a feeling a buzz.How do you go about it? Do
you go and listen to bird noisesand then go back and research, or
do you research first and then goout and see if you can hear those
birds? Funny enough, with today'stechnology, as I'm out and about and
(02:53):
I think, what's that noise,I've got an app on my phone.
OK, can you record the soundand that'll tell you the most likelihood what
type of bird it is. Sothat's how I've been learning, as I've
been going walking and going to differentplaces, and today's technology is amazing.
(03:15):
It just helps you along to learnand discover new things. Can I ask
what the name of the app is? It's called bird Neet, and that's
one of the apps I've got,and also I've got another app called Merlin.
So did somebody else tell you aboutit? Are you part of a
club? No? I discovered itby researching, because I do. When
(03:37):
I find the new bird, Ido research about it and what part of
the countries they are, all they'rein, and if they migrate from Africa,
etc. I've got an array ofbooks when I get home. But
for example, about three weeks ago, I was out on a walk on
(03:58):
my own and in a location nearto where I live. I was just
walking along and I come to thispiece of ground which is an open area
of Fenland, and I saw thisand I discovered it's rare. It's the
common crane, which is quite rarein this country. Now there's only like
a couple of hundred pairs, I'mmade to believe, which I discovered as
(04:27):
I was just out on my walkand I was amazed I was there.
I looked at my phone with today'stechnology, I memorized what it looked like
and I had an idea what itwas. And yeah, just do you
take to photographs as well if youget chance, If I get a chance,
Yes, I haven't got a camera. I do use my phone and
(04:51):
if I get up, if Ican get in near enough. But yeah,
it's just also visualization of memor Ican memorize what it looked like and
I'll just look. So when youfind something like this grade of the common
crane common, do you then sortof let people know? Or I don't
(05:15):
know, because at the end ofthe day you don't. As they are
quite a rare bird in this country. You don't want people coming there trying
to watch and disturb its breeding.Have it in my mind, you just
want them just to do well onthat patch, and you don't want and
the influxes of people coming in tryingto spot it. I just I'm one
(05:38):
of those people that if I seeit, I just keep it to myself,
record it, and I'll just carryon. So when you record it,
you record that in a book orI've got a book which I've had
since two thousand and nineteen. Everyyear I just record the special birds what
mean the most to me the firsttime I see for the year, like
(06:01):
migrational birds like the cuckoo, theswallow, the chiff chaff. They're just
little examples of the birds that whatI record, and I'll just write down
first time I've heard it this yearon a certain date, certain time,
and I just write it, writeit down in a list, and I
(06:23):
do that from year to year toyear every year. And so, yeah,
springtime is my most exciting time ofthe year. That's when it all
gets exciting and I get out asmuch as I can and yeah, discover.
So have you got favorite places youlike to go? Yes, I've
(06:45):
got certain favorite places I go to, probably one about a handful of places
which I get to see and hearmy favorite birds. I want to here.
But I'm also open, as I'vegot older, open to seeing and
(07:05):
discovering new things because it just helpswith my journey on you know, feeling
good. And yeah, So doyou go on your own or do you
sometimes go with other people? Itend to go on my own more so
these days because I just find itmore relaxing for me personally. That's only
(07:27):
personal preference, because other people goin pairs or with friends or family.
But I used to go with myfather in law, but he with work
commitments now and how his life is, we tend to do it separately.
You said earlier it really helped you. What helps your mental health in what
(07:50):
way do you think it helps yourmental health? I believe with my mental
help, it distracts me from innerthoughts and it just helps me and it
makes me feel good with anxiety whichI suffer with. It takes me away
from that them feelings and thoughts andoverthinking. It just makes me feel really
(08:15):
good just walking, exercise, theexcitement, the unknown. Are you going
to hear it? Are you areyou going to see it? The excitement?
So is it just just the birdsthat you're looking for or is it
any type of nature whilst you're outwalking? Birds in general? But any
(08:35):
type of nature I love. Justit makes me, brings me joy and
happiness at the end of the dayand makes me feel good. For me.
Walking is a good form of exerciseas well, So it's two things
that come in hand in hand walkingand exercise. And then plus it helps
(08:58):
with my mental help with discovering natureand bird watching. So if somebody is
listening that is really suffering with theirmental health, what advice would you give
them about walking and going out intonature. My advice to anyone who wants
to feel better and use nature istake it up. Do what I did.
(09:26):
Just give it a go. Andyou'll find it and discover yourself that
the joy it brings, the sounds, the unknown, just try it.
Just getting out there in nature andthe fresh air exercising. For me,
it brings all this joy and distractionand it helps so much when you first
(09:54):
started. Was it just a fewminutes that you would walk for or would
it be for a lot longer?I would say I would go. I'd
be out as long as I could, just because it helps distract my mind.
Yeah, an our couple hours,Yeah, it could be an afternoon.
(10:16):
Any tips for anybody, any sortof equipment they should take with them,
or just a good pair of binocularsand the apps. The app helped
me eat so much, either Burdenetor Merlin. And if you think,
oh that's exciting and what is thatsound, use your phone, use embraced
(10:37):
technology. That's my advice. Andit's like an addiction. It gets you
hooked in and you think, right, I'll look, oh, this is
this bird. Then you'll get homeand you'll record it, and then you'll
research it and then you'll you'll think, christ, I want to hear that
again, or then you'll hear somethingnew on your next journey and it all
(10:58):
starts. It all becomes a bitof an addiction in a way for me,
discovering and yeah, just seeing hearingnew things all the time. It
certainly made me feel better. Howoften do you do you go out a
bird watching? I try to goout once a week, but life doesn't
(11:22):
always allow me with work and othercommitments doesn't always allow me to get out
once a week. But I alwaystry and get out once a week or
even two to have a walk,clear the head and just try and discover
and keep keep the joy in happinesswithin my body. And it keeps me
(11:46):
distractors and keeps me happy. Iknow you said that you prefer to go
walking and bird watching on your own. Are their clubs out there that people
could join if they wanted to bemore of a part of a community.
Me personally, I haven't discovered thatthere is clubs. I believe there is
(12:09):
a clubs out there, but forme, I haven't been out there to
discover the possibility of joining a club. I've spoken to people. As you
go on your journeys and walks onnature reserves, you get chatting to people
and that's another good aspect for yourmental healthiness. Interacting with people. If
(12:30):
you tend to be isolated or youdon't interact with a lot of other people,
it helps. It helps you getout there and interact and talking to
people who have got the same interests. I've spoken to loads of different kinds
of people, different personalities, andthat's amazing how you can share a common
(12:50):
interest and then you can form likea not a friendship, but because you
might see him two weeks time,then you'll say, oh, nice to
see you again. What what youdiscovered in the past couple of weeks.
What have you seen? Is thereanything new on the reserve? It forms
(13:11):
a sort of an association with thatperson. Yeah, it's just nice to
socialize. So do you often seethe same people out on the reserves Sometimes?
Yeah, it all depends what timeof the day you go. People
do have the same routines and whenthey go. But with me, with
(13:33):
having to work, my work patternis different sometimes, so I get to
go when I need, when Iget the opportunity. So, but I
have seen on certain reserves the sameperson quite often, So it all depends.
Really, it's a variation of whenyou get to see the same people,
(13:54):
but you meet it's nice to meetnew people anyway, and to interact.
It's exciting because they might say toyou, oh, I heard this
bird, And then if I haven'tever heard of it, I'll go home
and I'll look at it up andresearch and I think, well, next
(14:15):
time i'll I'll try and go outthere and hear it, will see it.
So the social side of the sideof it. Yeah, So just
to finish off, obviously you hadsome advice for people, but is there
anything else that you'd like to sayto people that are suffering a little bit.
(14:39):
My advice to anyone is you needto talk. I suffered been suffering
without realizing for a lot of years, and I if it weren't for my
family pushing me to get seek helpand talk and begin to recognize, I
(15:03):
don't know where I'd be. Somy advice to anyone is seek help,
always seek help, and talk.Having a good person to talk to and
help you move forward is the bestthing, in my opinion, you can
(15:24):
do. I think it's really goodadvice being able to talk, because there's
a lot of guys out there thathide things inside themselves. I was one
of those guys. I think men. I've encountered a lot of men and
women as well. They bottle itall up and they think, oh,
(15:45):
that'll be all right. Yeah,I'll put it back in the back of
the mind and they'll just carry on. But it's like a ticking time bomb
mental health. You keep putting itin the back of your mind, or
it builds up and it builds up, and like with myself, I just
(16:06):
crashed and that's when I seek tohelp. And that was the best thing
that ever happened to me, tocrash and make me realize I needed help.
Yeah, if there's any men outthere, seek help. My advice
(16:26):
it's not big or clever to keepputting it to the back of your mind
because it fetched not just you yourfamily. So you've got to think,
in my opinion, just not ofyourself, is your family as well.
There's a lot of men out therethat always pushing things out, you know,
(16:48):
under the rug and just yeah,just yeah, I understand. Yeah,
it's hard to say, really,yeah, no, I know,
and it's it's a difficult one.Thank you very much for being so open
and telling us all about your birdwatching twitching. Yes, no, that's
(17:14):
if anyone out there has got aslight interest in nature, go for it.
Do it. You just it helpswith the mind, it does with
me, and if it helps oneperson out of a hundred, you know,
it's great. It's out there.It doesn't cost you anything to go
(17:37):
out and walk and just listen.It just it's amazing for me. It's
nature, it's Mother Nature, It'swhat we've got on this earth, and
people have got appreciate it more.In my opinion, it does the world.
Are good for your mental health.I just say, get out there,
(18:00):
listen and bryce it all and getmoving as well. Get there.
Yeah, well, thank you verymuch, no, thank you, thank
you to Ben for sharing his passionof bird watching with us. I have
to say that after our chat,I downloaded both the Merlin and Birdnet apps,
(18:25):
both of which, by the way, are free apps. I then
sat in the garden early in themorning and put on the Merlin app and
was thrilled when the normal bird songsthat I hear now have become songs from
barn swallows, European wrens, andthe goldfinch. So thank you Ben,
(18:48):
I now know some of the birdsthat are singing to me each morning.
If you have a hobby, apassion for the outdoors, or is simple
love forsting that has helped you througha tough time. I really would love
to hear from you. Your experiencecould be the beacon of hopes someone else
(19:11):
needs to hear. You can reachout to me via email at Echoes at
Graciousmountain dot co dot uk, orfind us on social media at Echoes from
the Mountain or Gracious Mountain Therapies,or why not visit the website on www
dot Gracious Mountain dot co dot UK. Thank you for listening and I hope
(19:38):
you will join me again for anotherepisode of Echoes from the Mountain. Till
next time, take care. Rememberyou are not alone on this journey of
discovery. We are all finding ourway
Welcome to Echoes from the Mountain CreativeSparks, the podcast where we explore the
incredible power of hobbies and crafts andthe natural world to nurture our mental health.
I'm your host, Lorraine from GraciousMountain Therapies, and I believe that
the passions that we pursue outside ofour daily routines can be our strongest allies
(00:39):
in finding joy, building resilience andweathering life storms. Today we have Ben
with us, and Ben is goingto talk to us about his hobbies.
So Ben, tell us about thehobby that you're really passionate about. Well,
(01:03):
my main hobby is really bird watchingand walking. I find since I
discovered it, that's helped with mymind and my body. It's done revelations
for me. It's the learning,the learning aspect of what is that sound?
(01:25):
Where is it? It's the mysteryof what you're going to discover and
what you're going to learn, Andthen you're always seeking out this. If
you discover a favorite sound of acertain bird, you want to keep hearing
it, and then you go lookingfor it, and then you go to
(01:45):
different places and you hear different sounds, and it's the unknown. For me,
and it gives me an excitement.It helps distract me from normal day
to day running life. What madeyou go into actual bird watching? Was
there something that inspired you. I'vealways been into nature, but I've never
(02:07):
really took the plunge to learn andact on it. It's just in recent
times when since I've suffered with anxietyor mental health, It's helped me feel
better and it gives me a differentinsight into life and just makes me really
(02:32):
certain, a feeling a buzz.How do you go about it? Do
you go and listen to bird noisesand then go back and research, or
do you research first and then goout and see if you can hear those
birds? Funny enough, with today'stechnology, as I'm out and about and
(02:53):
I think, what's that noise,I've got an app on my phone.
OK, can you record the soundand that'll tell you the most likelihood what
type of bird it is. Sothat's how I've been learning, as I've
been going walking and going to differentplaces, and today's technology is amazing.
(03:15):
It just helps you along to learnand discover new things. Can I ask
what the name of the app is? It's called bird Neet, and that's
one of the apps I've got,and also I've got another app called Merlin.
So did somebody else tell you aboutit? Are you part of a
club? No? I discovered itby researching, because I do. When
(03:37):
I find the new bird, Ido research about it and what part of
the countries they are, all they'rein, and if they migrate from Africa,
etc. I've got an array ofbooks when I get home. But
for example, about three weeks ago, I was out on a walk on
(03:58):
my own and in a location nearto where I live. I was just
walking along and I come to thispiece of ground which is an open area
of Fenland, and I saw thisand I discovered it's rare. It's the
common crane, which is quite rarein this country. Now there's only like
a couple of hundred pairs, I'mmade to believe, which I discovered as
(04:27):
I was just out on my walkand I was amazed I was there.
I looked at my phone with today'stechnology, I memorized what it looked like
and I had an idea what itwas. And yeah, just do you
take to photographs as well if youget chance, If I get a chance,
Yes, I haven't got a camera. I do use my phone and
(04:51):
if I get up, if Ican get in near enough. But yeah,
it's just also visualization of memor Ican memorize what it looked like and
I'll just look. So when youfind something like this grade of the common
crane common, do you then sortof let people know? Or I don't
(05:15):
know, because at the end ofthe day you don't. As they are
quite a rare bird in this country. You don't want people coming there trying
to watch and disturb its breeding.Have it in my mind, you just
want them just to do well onthat patch, and you don't want and
the influxes of people coming in tryingto spot it. I just I'm one
(05:38):
of those people that if I seeit, I just keep it to myself,
record it, and I'll just carryon. So when you record it,
you record that in a book orI've got a book which I've had
since two thousand and nineteen. Everyyear I just record the special birds what
mean the most to me the firsttime I see for the year, like
(06:01):
migrational birds like the cuckoo, theswallow, the chiff chaff. They're just
little examples of the birds that whatI record, and I'll just write down
first time I've heard it this yearon a certain date, certain time,
and I just write it, writeit down in a list, and I
(06:23):
do that from year to year toyear every year. And so, yeah,
springtime is my most exciting time ofthe year. That's when it all
gets exciting and I get out asmuch as I can and yeah, discover.
So have you got favorite places youlike to go? Yes, I've
(06:45):
got certain favorite places I go to, probably one about a handful of places
which I get to see and hearmy favorite birds. I want to here.
But I'm also open, as I'vegot older, open to seeing and
(07:05):
discovering new things because it just helpswith my journey on you know, feeling
good. And yeah, So doyou go on your own or do you
sometimes go with other people? Itend to go on my own more so
these days because I just find itmore relaxing for me personally. That's only
(07:27):
personal preference, because other people goin pairs or with friends or family.
But I used to go with myfather in law, but he with work
commitments now and how his life is, we tend to do it separately.
You said earlier it really helped you. What helps your mental health in what
(07:50):
way do you think it helps yourmental health? I believe with my mental
help, it distracts me from innerthoughts and it just helps me and it
makes me feel good with anxiety whichI suffer with. It takes me away
from that them feelings and thoughts andoverthinking. It just makes me feel really
(08:15):
good just walking, exercise, theexcitement, the unknown. Are you going
to hear it? Are you areyou going to see it? The excitement?
So is it just just the birdsthat you're looking for or is it
any type of nature whilst you're outwalking? Birds in general? But any
(08:35):
type of nature I love. Justit makes me, brings me joy and
happiness at the end of the dayand makes me feel good. For me.
Walking is a good form of exerciseas well, So it's two things
that come in hand in hand walkingand exercise. And then plus it helps
(08:58):
with my mental help with discovering natureand bird watching. So if somebody is
listening that is really suffering with theirmental health, what advice would you give
them about walking and going out intonature. My advice to anyone who wants
to feel better and use nature istake it up. Do what I did.
(09:26):
Just give it a go. Andyou'll find it and discover yourself that
the joy it brings, the sounds, the unknown, just try it.
Just getting out there in nature andthe fresh air exercising. For me,
it brings all this joy and distractionand it helps so much when you first
(09:54):
started. Was it just a fewminutes that you would walk for or would
it be for a lot longer?I would say I would go. I'd
be out as long as I could, just because it helps distract my mind.
Yeah, an our couple hours,Yeah, it could be an afternoon.
(10:16):
Any tips for anybody, any sortof equipment they should take with them,
or just a good pair of binocularsand the apps. The app helped
me eat so much, either Burdenetor Merlin. And if you think,
oh that's exciting and what is thatsound, use your phone, use embraced
(10:37):
technology. That's my advice. Andit's like an addiction. It gets you
hooked in and you think, right, I'll look, oh, this is
this bird. Then you'll get homeand you'll record it, and then you'll
research it and then you'll you'll think, christ, I want to hear that
again, or then you'll hear somethingnew on your next journey and it all
(10:58):
starts. It all becomes a bitof an addiction in a way for me,
discovering and yeah, just seeing hearingnew things all the time. It
certainly made me feel better. Howoften do you do you go out a
bird watching? I try to goout once a week, but life doesn't
(11:22):
always allow me with work and othercommitments doesn't always allow me to get out
once a week. But I alwaystry and get out once a week or
even two to have a walk,clear the head and just try and discover
and keep keep the joy in happinesswithin my body. And it keeps me
(11:46):
distractors and keeps me happy. Iknow you said that you prefer to go
walking and bird watching on your own. Are their clubs out there that people
could join if they wanted to bemore of a part of a community.
Me personally, I haven't discovered thatthere is clubs. I believe there is
(12:09):
a clubs out there, but forme, I haven't been out there to
discover the possibility of joining a club. I've spoken to people. As you
go on your journeys and walks onnature reserves, you get chatting to people
and that's another good aspect for yourmental healthiness. Interacting with people. If
(12:30):
you tend to be isolated or youdon't interact with a lot of other people,
it helps. It helps you getout there and interact and talking to
people who have got the same interests. I've spoken to loads of different kinds
of people, different personalities, andthat's amazing how you can share a common
(12:50):
interest and then you can form likea not a friendship, but because you
might see him two weeks time,then you'll say, oh, nice to
see you again. What what youdiscovered in the past couple of weeks.
What have you seen? Is thereanything new on the reserve? It forms
(13:11):
a sort of an association with thatperson. Yeah, it's just nice to
socialize. So do you often seethe same people out on the reserves Sometimes?
Yeah, it all depends what timeof the day you go. People
do have the same routines and whenthey go. But with me, with
(13:33):
having to work, my work patternis different sometimes, so I get to
go when I need, when Iget the opportunity. So, but I
have seen on certain reserves the sameperson quite often, So it all depends.
Really, it's a variation of whenyou get to see the same people,
(13:54):
but you meet it's nice to meetnew people anyway, and to interact.
It's exciting because they might say toyou, oh, I heard this
bird, And then if I haven'tever heard of it, I'll go home
and I'll look at it up andresearch and I think, well, next
(14:15):
time i'll I'll try and go outthere and hear it, will see it.
So the social side of the sideof it. Yeah, So just
to finish off, obviously you hadsome advice for people, but is there
anything else that you'd like to sayto people that are suffering a little bit.
(14:39):
My advice to anyone is you needto talk. I suffered been suffering
without realizing for a lot of years, and I if it weren't for my
family pushing me to get seek helpand talk and begin to recognize, I
(15:03):
don't know where I'd be. Somy advice to anyone is seek help,
always seek help, and talk.Having a good person to talk to and
help you move forward is the bestthing, in my opinion, you can
(15:24):
do. I think it's really goodadvice being able to talk, because there's
a lot of guys out there thathide things inside themselves. I was one
of those guys. I think men. I've encountered a lot of men and
women as well. They bottle itall up and they think, oh,
(15:45):
that'll be all right. Yeah,I'll put it back in the back of
the mind and they'll just carry on. But it's like a ticking time bomb
mental health. You keep putting itin the back of your mind, or
it builds up and it builds up, and like with myself, I just
(16:06):
crashed and that's when I seek tohelp. And that was the best thing
that ever happened to me, tocrash and make me realize I needed help.
Yeah, if there's any men outthere, seek help. My advice
(16:26):
it's not big or clever to keepputting it to the back of your mind
because it fetched not just you yourfamily. So you've got to think,
in my opinion, just not ofyourself, is your family as well.
There's a lot of men out therethat always pushing things out, you know,
(16:48):
under the rug and just yeah,just yeah, I understand. Yeah,
it's hard to say, really,yeah, no, I know,
and it's it's a difficult one.Thank you very much for being so open
and telling us all about your birdwatching twitching. Yes, no, that's
(17:14):
if anyone out there has got aslight interest in nature, go for it.
Do it. You just it helpswith the mind, it does with
me, and if it helps oneperson out of a hundred, you know,
it's great. It's out there.It doesn't cost you anything to go
(17:37):
out and walk and just listen.It just it's amazing for me. It's
nature, it's Mother Nature, It'swhat we've got on this earth, and
people have got appreciate it more.In my opinion, it does the world.
Are good for your mental health.I just say, get out there,
(18:00):
listen and bryce it all and getmoving as well. Get there.
Yeah, well, thank you verymuch, no, thank you, thank
you to Ben for sharing his passionof bird watching with us. I have
to say that after our chat,I downloaded both the Merlin and Birdnet apps,
(18:25):
both of which, by the way, are free apps. I then
sat in the garden early in themorning and put on the Merlin app and
was thrilled when the normal bird songsthat I hear now have become songs from
barn swallows, European wrens, andthe goldfinch. So thank you Ben,
(18:48):
I now know some of the birdsthat are singing to me each morning.
If you have a hobby, apassion for the outdoors, or is simple
love forsting that has helped you througha tough time. I really would love
to hear from you. Your experiencecould be the beacon of hopes someone else
(19:11):
needs to hear. You can reachout to me via email at Echoes at
Graciousmountain dot co dot uk, orfind us on social media at Echoes from
the Mountain or Gracious Mountain Therapies,or why not visit the website on www
dot Gracious Mountain dot co dot UK. Thank you for listening and I hope
(19:38):
you will join me again for anotherepisode of Echoes from the Mountain. Till
next time, take care. Rememberyou are not alone on this journey of
discovery. We are all finding ourway
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