🔍 "The Original Mindhunter: Inside Ressler's Serial Killer Interviews"

🧠 Before 'Bill Tench,' there was Robert Ressler—the FBI legend who coined the term 'serial killer' and revolutionized criminal profiling. 🎭 His face-to-face interviews with Manson, Bundy, and Gacy built the foundation of modern criminal psychology. 🌍 Exclusive access to his personal case files and original killer interviews. 💉 The real stories behind Mindhunter's most chilling scenes—and the ones too dark for television. ⚠️ Warning: Contains authentic killer interview recordings. 😱

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
In Chiudad Juarez, Mexico. During the month of November two
thousand one, eight women were found murdered and dumped in
cotton fields. These killings appeared to be part of a
decade long wave of kidnappings and murders that had reportedly
claimed nearly two hundred victims since nineteen ninety three. Fifty
bodies had turned up and dozens of men had been

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interrogated in this border town across from El Paso, Texas,
but the murders continued. Many victims were young women who
worked in assembly plants that supplied the US. In nineteen
ninety eight, a women's group from Mexico City brought media
attention to the fact that nothing was being done about
these murders. Authority contacted Robert Wrestler, criminologist and former FBI profiler,

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to get help narrowing down suspects in their investigation and
to train their task force in the psychology of serial killers.
Wrestler went over all the documentation and concluded that not
all of the murders were linked by similarities. They were
talking in excess of one hundred women at the time,
he recalled and saying that someone was running a muck

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and had killed them all. When they sorted all the
cases out, they ended up with seventy six homicides of concern.
Wrestler did a preliminary viscap assessment and determined that a
number were connected and a number were not. Some suspects
were clearly family members and some were gang members. They
had one guy in custody, an Egyptian national named Sharif

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Sharif who had a horrendous record in the United States
for rape and assault, and when he was run out
of the country, he started up again in mexic He
was charged with a dozen homicides but convicted in only one.
Wrestler also believed that some of the murders were done
by people, possibly a team coming over the border from

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El Paso, so they also met with the El Paso
police to get their co operation. Wrestler set up a
surveillance of the buses that let young female workers off
at night. He went behind the buses with cops and
saw that they were dropping these women in dark locations.
Any One interested in abducting them just had to follow

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the buses. Some of the bus drivers knew the routes
and they could easily come back later when they weren't
driving to get these girls. The following year, five bus
drivers were arrested for thirteen of the murders and disappearances,
and became suspects in five others. In the most recent
spate of killings, it was bus drivers once again. A

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witness identified a man he had seen dumping a body
in the same field where seven others were then found.
That led to the arrest of two bus drivers, Victor
Euribe and Gustavo Gonzalez, who both confessed to kidnap, rape,
and murder. One even said that he had killed three more,
although those bodies were not located together. These two men

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would get intoxicated and when they spotted a vulnerable woman,
would force her into their van to rape and kill her.
While crime shows on television generally indicate clear patterns in
serial homicide, criminal profiling can be complicated by many factors,
and only those with experience could come into a crime
scene of such magnitude and provide helpful assistance. Most people

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first heard about the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit, the BSU
from the movie or book by Thomas Harris. Silence of
the Lambs Unit. Director Jack Crawford was influenced to some
extent by talks that Harris had with Supervisory Special Agent Wrestler,
who had learned the psychological principles involved in profiling from

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pioneers Howard Teaton and Pat mulaney. They were the original
team that dealt with profiling and crime scene assessments. Wrestler
explained they started organizing people for this programme in nineteen
sixty nine, and when the FBI Academy opened in nineteen
seventy two, that's when the unit really got established. Wrestler

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joined them in nineteen seventy four. This was four years
after he had come into the FBI. After he'd served
eight years in the Army from nineteen sixty two to
nineteen seventy, he went to graduate school at Michigan State University.
Wrestler was then recruited by an agent in the Lancing
Office who ended up becoming the assistant director at Quantico.

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When they opened the academy, they had different departments like
a university, and I was recruited into the Behavioral Science Unit,
which dealt largely with instructing those people who came to
the academy as students. He remained with the BSU for
sixteen of his twenty years at the FBI, retiring in
August of nineteen ninety. By that time, he had introduced

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several programs that contributed to the development of the National
Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime. Then, in nineteen
eighty five, he became the first program manager for ViCAP,
the Violent Criminal Apprehension Program. The concept for ViCAP was
to collect information about solved and unsolved homicides, specifically those

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that were serial, random or involved in abduction. The database
also included information about missing persons where foul play was
strongly suspected, and unidentified dead bodies in which the manner
of death appeared to be homicide. Local and international law
enforcement agencies could connect to the growing database and either

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provide further information or utilize the information stored there to
help solve their own crimes. Even after Wrestler retired, he
continued to offer workshops in criminology, served as an expert witness,
and introduced the vi CAAP system to other countries, including Japan,
South Africa, and Poland. The behavioral profilers who went on

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the road to offer instruction to local law enforcement agencies
decided to go into maximum security prisons to interview some
of America's most notorious murderers. In nineteen seventy four, there
was no operations unit yet, Wrestler said they were just teaching.
Around nineteen seventy eight, Wrestler came up with the idea

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of improving their instructional capabilities by conducting in depth research
into violent criminal personalities. Wrestler suggested they go into the
prisons and interview violent offenders to get a better handle
on them and to formulate a foundation for criminal profiling.
If Wrestler were in California, for example, he would contact

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the agent who was their training coordinator there and have
him set up interviews at local prisons with people like
Charles Manson or Sirhan Sirhan. At the conclusion of their training,
Wrestler would do the interviews. The initial program involved thirty
six convicted offenders, but over the years Wrestler participated in

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over one hundred such interviews. In the process, he coined
the term serial killer. It wasn't from a specific case,
he pointed out, It just became evident that he was
dealing with a lot of cases that were repetitive homicides.
The media was calling all of them mass murder without
any differentiation, and my colleagues and he became aware of

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the fact that this was too general. They thought they
ought to come up with a way to identify different
forms of homicidal behaviors, so they started coming up with terms.
Serial became more or less self evident because he'd been
to England and there they called repetitive crimes, crimes in
a series or series crimes. He didn't want to just

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lift the Britain term, but he was thinking along those lines.
When he was a kid, he'd go to the movies
and they'd watch these ten minute serial adventures that they
used before the main feature, and it took several weeks
to play out the story. So from that he started
calling these crimes serial crimes. The goal of the interviewers

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was to gather details for a database about how murders
were planned, how murders were committed, what the killers did
afterward with the body, what they did and thought about
once they left the crime scene or dump site. From
compiling information from the many cases, the interviewers learned patterns
of an offender's values, the development of sexual homicidal fantasies,

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patterns of an offender's thinking processes, levels of recall of
the crime, degree of an offender's sense of responsibility, the
evolving of m O from experience, the nature of ritual
at the crime scene. To make the interviews as detailed
as possible, the agents researched as much as they could
find out about a particular killer. That way, they could

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establish a focused interest in the target subject. Focus conveys respect,
which generally helps to establish rapport and get results. It
was important they knew to understand the subject's world and
to go into it without judgment about the crimes committed.
The point was to get information, and all project participants

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were to keep that as their primary goal. Among those
killers who made the list, Wrestler included one who had
influenced him in childhood, William Hyron's. In December nineteen forty five,
at the age of sixteen, Hirens broke into an apartment
on Chicago's North Side to steal something. Confronted by Francis Brown,

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thirty three, he shot and killed her. Then he found
a knife and stabbed her. He tried to wash her off,
and then wrote on the mirror in lipstick, for Heaven's sake,
catch me before I kill more. I cannot control myself.
Even as a kid, he had been interested in law enforcement.
Wrestler recounted he'd play cops and robbers, and since his

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father worked for the Chicago Tribune, he would bring home
the newspaper. He learned that there was a killer loose
in Chicago who was killing women and leaving writings on
the wall, so he started following it. Before he was identified,
he conjured up a game with other kids to form
a detective agency. They had cap guns and cameras, and

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they'd follow neighbors around and conduct crime scene examinations to
find the lipstick killer. They got old tubes of lipstick
from their mothers and wrote things on the walls. They
did this every day, and at the end of the
day they'd meet together to compare notes. Then when the
thing concluded with Hiran's arrest, they all congratulated themselves on

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their part in the investigation that caught the killer. When
Wrestler was scheduled to give instruction in Southern Illinois, he
recalled that Hirrens was in Vienna Men's Correctional Facility not
far from there, so he got permission to interview him.
It was weird, he recalled, because many kids have sports
heroes and that sort of thing, and he wanted to

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meet this serial killer. He told him that he'd followed
his case. Hyn's was about nine years older than him,
and he was kind of taken aback that in a sense,
he had a fan. Aside from this interview, he was
involved in many others and on the list were murderers
like Charles Manson, Sir Hans Siirhan, Richard Speck, Edward Kemper,

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and John Wayne Gacy. In fact, he conducted one of
the last interviews with Gaysey before the man was executed. Gaysey,
a businessman and charity worker in Das Plains, Illinois, became
a suspect in the case of a missing boy in
nineteen seventy three. Within a month, investigators had found the
remains of twenty eight young men buried in the dirt

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crawl space beneath his house. He admitted to dumping five
more into a nearby river. When tried for these murders,
he used an insanity defense, and one of the psychologists
who examined him claimed that he'd experienced thirty three separate
cases of dissociated compulsion, otherwise known as irresistible impulse. The

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jury didn't buy it, and Gaysey was convicted and sentenced
to death. As appeals delayed his execution, he made himself
available for some interviews. Wrestler who had already spoken with
him a number of times, went in again. We had
lived on the same street. He said, it was eerie
to be with him. He got into the investigation on

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that one with the police after they had already developed
him as a suspect. They suspected him of one missing
kid and then started finding the bodies, so he helped
them sort out what they actually had from the standpoint
of a multiple homicide. They had never encountered something like
it before. He also helped them prepare the prosecution of

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the case. About being face to face with some one
like this, he remembered Gaycy as quite manipulative, yet he
was gregarious and outgoing enough in the many interviews he
had with him that even in his attempts to manipulate,
he revealed a great deal of his personality and his
patterns and motives. He'd get angry and then friendly in

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a single session. They'd go through a gamut of emotions.
A lot of it was play acting on his part,
but they seemed to get along real well. There was
no misperception. However, he was there to dig him in deeper.
He believed that he was responsible for more than thirty
three homicides. He had traveled to fourteen states during the
time that all this went on, so he was trying

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to get more information, and he was trying to maintain
his status quo as a victim. These guys were victimizing him,
he said, and he had a number of stories about them,
but if you put all the stories together, it didn't
make any sense. Gaysey was among many manipulative killers that
Wrestler encountered, but in some cases he called on a

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special type of expertise that few other profilers had. Before
joining the FBI, Wrestler had also served as an agent
supervisor for the U. S. Army's Criminal Investigation Division c
I D, and this experience was useful for examining killers
who claimed they were victims of post traumatic stress from Vietnam.

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In the case of Arthur Shawcross, who had murdered at
least eleven women in less than two years, Wrestler's expertise
was particularly astute. Shawcross had murdered and mutilated two children
when he was twenty eight, gone to prison for fifteen years,
had been paroled, and then began to kill prostitutes in Rochester,

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New York. He was caught in January of nineteen ninety
with the help of an FBI profile that indicated he'd
returned to the bodies to indulge in post mortem mutilation.
As the New York State Police took to the to
search for the bodies of several recently missing women, they
spotted one on the ice on Salmon Creek of Highway thirty.

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One on the bridge overhead was an overweight, middle aged
man getting into a car. When they caught him, they
had their man, Arthur Shawcross. While he confessed in detail
and even showed the police the location of two more bodies,
his defense lawyer brought in psychiatric experts to claim that

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he suffered from brain lesions that caused dissociative states and
post traumatic stress disorder from both childhood abuse and experiences
in Vietnam. Shawcross claimed that he became adept at modifying
weapons while in Vietnam and went off on his own
for days into the jungle because after he saw American
soldiers being killed, he had an emotional breakdown that turned

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him into a killer. He couldn't feel any longer, and
he became a predator. He claimed that he killed children
and then took on the r role of a terrorist.
He killed for the thrill of it, spurred on by
episodes of extreme violence that he'd witnessed. In that case,
Wrestler said, the prosecutor, Charles Syragusa, had brought on board
forensic psychiatrist Dr. Park Elliot Deats. Wrestler had recruited him

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into the BSU as a consultant, so because Syragusa was
not conversant with military terminology and records, Deets recommended that
Wrestler be brought in. Wrestler looked over the military records
and compared them with interviews that Deats had done, and
the information that was brought out indicated that Shawcross was

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malingering quite a bit. It was clear that he was
being deceptive, and that opened up the door to breaking
down his story of how his homicidal tendencies came about. Allegedly,
he was under hypnosis with the defense psychiatrist Dorothy Lewis,
and they saw these tapes she had and realized the
interviews were bogus. He was just leading her by the nose.

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In the end, the jury was unconvinced that Shawcross had
failed to appreciate what he was doing when he killed
the women, and he was convicted of ten murders. He
pleaded guilty to one more and received life in prison.
In nineteen ninety, Wrestler retired from the FBI to continue
his career in criminology in another manner. He directed Forensic

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Behavioral Services International, and he contributed to and co authored
several books, including Sexual Homicide Patterns and Motives nineteen eighty eight,
The Crime Classification Manual nineteen ninety two, Whoever Fights Monsters
nineteen ninety two, Justice Is Served nineteen ninety four, and
I Have Lived in the Monster nineteen ninety seven. His

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specialties for consultation included criminal personality profiling, sexual assaults, threat assessment,
crime scene analysis, hostage negotiation. He also continued to learn
about killers, although colleagues criticized him for it. Soon after
he retired, Wrestler agreed to serve as a defense expert

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for the attorney representing serial killer Jeffrey Dharmer. He believed,
and he was right, that there was much to learn
from getting that close to this infamous cannibal killer. So
soon after his incarceration, Jeffrey Dahmer was an enigma living
in an apartment in Milwaukee. He burst quite dramatically into

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public consciousness in July nineteen ninety one, after a man
named Tracy Edwards ran down the street with handcuffs on
and told police that some one had tried to murder him.
He led them back to apartment number two thirteen, and
what unfolded afterward was an investigator's nightmare. The smell that
hit the officers that evening indicated decomposition, and a look

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inside revealed human heads in Testin's hearts and kidneys stored
in the freezer. But that wasn't all. Bones and rotting
body parts lay around the place, along with complete skeletons.
Snap Shots showed mutilated bodies, and the discovery of chloroform
electric sores a barrel of acid and formaldehyde told the

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rest of the story. In all, investigators were able to
find the remains of eleven different men. It took Dharma's
confession to add six more, and his first occurred when
he was only eighteen years old. He was living alone
in his family home when he felt the need for company,
he found a hitchhiker named Steve Hicks and brought him

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back to the house. They got high together, and when
Hicks decided to leave, Dharma smashed a barbell against the
back of Hicks's head and then strangled him. I didn't
know how else to keep him there, he told Wrestler.
During their nine hour interview, he quickly discovered that he
was aroused by the captivity of another human being, and

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then when he cut the body into pieces for disposal,
he was excited all over again. When he moved in
with his grandmother, he planned to dig up the body
of a young man who had recently died, but thwarted
in that. He began again to pick up men to
bring back there. He'd drug and strangle them, and then
have sex with the corpse. After that, he dismembered them.

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One man he believed he'd beaten to death while intoxicated.
Then he got his own apartment and followed his compulsions
with more regularity. In an effort to create zombie like
slaves compliant and without intellect, he tried drilling holes into
the heads of his unconscious victims and injecting acid or
boiling water into their skulls. One man actually walked mindlessly

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out the door, but was soon retrieved. He also tried
to cut off the faces of his victims and keep masks,
but was unable to preserve them correctly. While he was
careless at times, so were the police, so he managed
to get away with murder again and again until he
was finally stopped. When defense attorney Jerry Boyle asked for
an expert opinion, Wrestler made it clear that while he

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was free to work for either side on a given case,
he would not take one on that made him uncomfortable.
The agreement I had with Jerry Boyle was that he
was not trying to get Dama off the hook and
released back into free society. The best that would happen
was that Dama would spend the rest of his life
in a mental institution. In fact, if he were cured there,

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Boyle was holding back some of the homicides where Dama
could be considered sane, so that if he were freed,
he would have to go back to court and be
prosecuted for those other cases. It was a fool proof
defense that served Darma's interests as a mentally ill person,
and at the same time served society's interests, so I
went along with it, because toward the end of his murders,

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I believed he was mentally ill, where he was not
in the beginning. Over the course of his seventeen homicides,
he showed some decompensation of his mental state. He was
organized at the beginning and became disorganized at the end.
With that in mind, my task was to interview him
at length and give Boil a report. It was worth
it for me just to learn more about this type

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of behavior. Even as Wrestler broadened his expertise domestically, he
was also called into cases abroad, and one he remembers
well involved a serial killer whose violence exceeded many of
the more notorious murderers in the US. Between July and
October nineteen ninety four, fifteen bodies of females who were

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in their twenties were found in South Africa near the Pretoria,
Johannesburg suburb of Cleveland. All had been raped and strangled,
All were openly displayed, and the killer had removed personal
items from the scene. Most of the victims were commuters, unemployed,
or students. A man was identified as the offender, but

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when fifteen more bodies turned up the next year in
another remote suburb Atridgeville, it was clear that the Ris
killer was still at large. Seven months later, another cache
of bodies was discovered near Boxburg with the SAMEMO, but
dumped closer together, and these three groups of victims came
to be dubbed the ABC Killings after the areas in

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which they'd been found. They had over forty homicides that
they believed were connected. Wrestler reports there was a psychologist
named Mickey Pistorius who was working as a volunteer with
the South African Police Service. Since they had no expertise
on multiple violent homicides, she got them interested in bringing

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me over. Ever, since apartheid had shut down, there had
been a certain lack of control by the police because
they were pulling back on their oppressive posture, and after
years of oppression, some people went a little overboard. Their
murder rate exceeded the United States, and we have one
of the highest in the world. So they brought me

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over to work on what would turn out to be
a series of forty three documented killings by one person.
We laid out some of the basics and he was
caught so that was a success. One thing Wrestler and
the newly trained task force did was returned to the
crime scenes to see what they could determine about the
killer's behavior, and it became clear that he or they

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had returned to the bodies. There was also evidence from
one site to the next of escalation and developing expertise,
Wrestler deduced that the offender was familiar with the areas,
had done prior surveillance, and had grown arrogant. He was
also probably luring victims rather than attacking them by surprise.

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The resulting profile was detailed, but included the fact that
the offender was black, owned a vehicle, appeared to be
well off, but was young, and had a strong sex drive.
Wrestler believed he would soon begin contacting the police or newspapers,
which in fact he did. An anonymous caller claimed that
he was doing these murders because he'd once been falsely

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accused of rape and prison had ruined him. When police
finally caught him, he turned out to be Moses Sithole,
a thirty one year old youth counselor. While Wrestler consulted
on cases like this, he also worked hard to bridge
the gap between psychiatry and law enforcement, and toward this
end he brought two associates into his company. He called

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them the new generation of profilers, and it was clear
that they brought a different perspective. Wrestler was a criminologist
in private practice for consultation and expert witness services. He
had two associates, Dr Thomas Mueller, chief of the Criminal
Psychology Service within the Austrian Federal Ministry of the Interior,

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and doctor Christy Kochanos, a forensic psychologist. Doctor Muller was
trained in the Federal Police School in Innsbruck, Austria, and
became a member of the SWAT team then and acquired
graduate degrees in psychology now. Among the areas in which
he taught were hostage negotiation, abnormal criminal psychology, criminal profiling

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and threat assessment, and he established the Criminal Psychology Service
in Austria, which he headed. He had also worked together with
Wrestler to train other investigators abroad, notably in Poland, Germany,
South Africa and the UK. Doctor Kochanos consulted with state
and local police departments in Pennsylvania on child abduction, homicide,

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rape and auto erotic fatalities. She sought to promote an
interdisciplinary approach to forensic science through the integration of investigative
techniques and psychological research. In Camden, New Jersey, she worked
at the Riverfront State Prison on psychological and parole evaluations
and did risk assessments on sexually violent predators. The original

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FBI project to study violent AFAS defenders had the goal
of understanding the fantasy structure that motivates the serial and
sexual killer. Wrestler and his associates continued to examine this
phenomenon with the infusion of insights from psychology, with the
hope of developing a more standardized body of knowledge. For years,

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Wrestler lectured to psychological groups to explain the FBI's system
and to encourage professionals to work with it. For that,
he received several prestigious awards and was granted an assistant
professorship in psychiatry at Georgetown University. The original profilers pretty
much emanated from the behavioral science work at Quantico, he explained,

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and it spread from law enforcement to the academic By
bringing in doctor Park Deets and others like him, we
started spilling it over into the professional community, and where
psychiatry had initially been at odds with the FBI approach,
a lot of mental health professionals then got on board.
Over the years, the forensic community has pretty much accepted

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what we were doing in behavioral science and absorbed it. This,
he believed was important because it used to be the
case that forensic work was simply a sideline that some
clinicians might take on, but often they had little experience
with criminals and crime scenes. If you go back to
the early criminal cases where they brought in psychiatrists, he said,

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you'll see that they were working out of theories rather
than from experience. The difference now is that professionals are
full time forensic psychiatrists, so they devote their entire careers
to the forensic aspects of their trade. They get into
crime scene information, interviews with offenders, and testifying in court

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on a regular basis. They're now more experienced. Doctor Kokanos
was enthusiastic about this direction. I'm different as a profiler
because I'm not law enforcement, and traditionally that's what profilers
have been. I'm mental health and we've typically not had
access to law enforcement and what they do. Most psychologists

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have never seen a crime scene or crime scene photos.
They have no idea what it takes to do an investigation,
have no training and are completely unaware of how an
investigation goes. To do this kind of work, they need
to be able to look at a picture of a
victim and understand the injuries they see from having been
exposed to a lot of cases. Most mental health people

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fail to understand sex offenders and the role of fantasy
in their motives and behavior. So I'm helping to pull
law enforcement and mental health together. I help to educate
law enforcement about what they need to put into their
reports that a psychologist may need down the road. For instance,
to help keep a serial rapist in prison, the officers

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need to understand how important it is to do a
very thorough victim interview, to put things down in the
right order, and to know how the various mental disorders
correspond to specific acts of violence. They also need to
know that there are different types of rapists. Understanding what
to look for is important. In fact, both sides need

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training so that they can determine whether offenders are likely
to re offend, what kind of victim they might choose,
and whether they will start to branch out. Psychology and
law enforcement need to work together. The time is right
to do that as she moved more deeply into this arena.
Cocanos relied on Wrestler in a supervisory capacity. In one incident,

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as a test, they did their profile separately and then
compared them. We worked on a sexual assault and murder
case in northern Pennsylvania. Cocanos recalled a little girl age eleven,
was grabbed after she left a Halloween party. She walked
home with another girl, but a few blocks from her
house they parted ways. A witness actually saw her coming

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down the street and then saw a man come out
from a side street. He grabbed the girl, threw her
in a car, and was gone before any one could
get there. This was on a Wednesday. On Thursday, they
found an article of her clothing, and then on Friday
morning they found her. We believed that she had not
been killed until Thursday night, so the man who grabbed

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her had kept her alive for a period of time.
This is unusual, and I thought it was likely he
might do it again, and that he'd done something sexually
deviant in the past. I went through all the information
from the crime scene and wrote up my profile. I
sent mister Wrestler the photos and reports and then sent
him my profile in a sealed envelope. I had the

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state police meet us at his house, and when we
got there, he gave the police his version of what
he thought the offender would be like, and then he
opened mine. He read it and said, did you read
my mind? For Coconos. This was a gratifying moment, in
part because the better shf he gets at it, the
more she can help to advance the vision. Many people

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now trained in law enforcement learn some psychology, and many
psychologists interested in the forensic field are getting better at
understanding crime and crime scenes. As Kokanos said, the time
is right for a merging of the two disciplines for
improved techniques in profiling. And if you're interested in some
of Wrestler's work, here are some information about his books,

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Whoever Fights Monsters? My Twenty Years Tracking Serial Killers for
the FBI, an informative and insightful account of Wrestler's thirty
year FBI career and the development of the Violent Criminal
Apprehension program. Wrestler's numerous interviews with convicted killers, for example
David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, use of behavioral sciences principles, and

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many years of detective experience have given him an uncannyability
to read a crime scene and develop a criminal pro
profile of the offender. His involvement in multiple serial killer
investigations gives the reader an insider's view into police work.
I have lived in the monster, delving deeper than ever

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before into the criminal mind. Wrestler recounts his years since
leaving the FBI, working as an independent criminal profiler on
some of the most famous serial murder cases of our day.
Ingeniously piecing together clues from crime scenes along with killing
patterns and methods, Wrestler explains his role in assisting the

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investigations of such perplexing international cases as England's Wimbledon common killing,
the ABC murders in South Africa, and the deadly gassing
of Japan's subway. We're also witnessed to Wrestler's fascinating in
depth interviews with John Wayne Gacy, the first and last
one America's most prolific serial killer would ever grant, plus

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a shockingly candid discussion with cannibal killer Jeffrey Dahmer. Justice
is served. This is the true story of Wrestler's determined
efforts to prove Cleveland Judge Robert Steele, guilty of arranging
the murder of his wife Marlene in nineteen sixty nine.
A young FBI agent, Wrestler's investigation led him into the

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lives of politicians, prostitutes, pimps, gamblers, and murders in a
world of greed, sex for pay, and multiple betrayals. Sexual
homicide patterns and motives. This authoritative book represents the data,
findings and implications of a long term FBI sponsored study
of serial sex killers. Specially trained FBI agents examined thirty

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six convicted, incarcerated sexual murderers to build a valuable new
bank of information that reveals the world of the serial
sexual killer in both quantitative and qualitative detail. Crime Classification Manual,
This landmark book classifies the three major felonies murder, arson,
and sexual assault based upon the motivation of the offender,

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standardizing in one place for the first time, the language
and terminology used throughout the criminal justice system. It forms
the basis of contemporary investigative profiling, the highly acclaimed strategy
enabling law enforcement personnel to solve a crime by generating
a profile of the suspect. This provides police officers and

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other law enforcement personnel, as well as mental health professionals
in any size community access to the same information as
used by the FBI to co ordinate their investigations. Wrestler
died at the age of seventy six from Parkinson's disease
at his home in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, on Sunday, May fifth,

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twenty thirteen.