A Secret of My Own

Kelly and Pamela Discuss and analyze Cruel Summer Season 1 Episode 9: A Secret of My Own



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(00:03):
Kate's closely held secrets and fragmented memoriesof her time in Martin's captivity are brought
to the surface. You're with cruelsummer camp video is freaking out on us
again. Hey guys, Hi everyone, how's it going, Pamela, It's

(00:43):
going pretty good. The fire alarmjust went off here and I like literally
thought I had to evacuate. I'mlike, do I leave? Do I
have to leave? Yeah? Sowhen your power was out, a fire
alarm was going off, and thenI was like, I'm not gonna be
the idiot that's like, oh,I thought it wasn't a real fire.

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So I just stayed in the building. And that's how I die. You
know, I'm not gonna know.Yeah, but I had to. I
had to get a cat out,so you know, I have the pet
carry I'm like reaching under the bedfor this like terrified cat. And anyway,
the alarm just stopped completely, soI was like, oh, thank

(01:27):
god, I didn't have to evacuate. So I'm doing great now. That's
awesome. Yeah, I've had I'vehad a day. I got nothing done
today. I had so much todo and got nothing done. So I'm

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just like, you know, thosedays when you just you get nothing done
either because you're just like not feelingwell or whatever, and then you just
like when you finally start like sitdown and you're about to be productive,
you're just like, I don't knowwhat to do with myself. Yes,
I feel that. Yeah, it'sit's like you just don't know where to

(02:10):
start, and you're just kind ofout of sorts and just yeah, it's
not a good feeling. You're likeall discombobulated and yeah, yeah, not
good. I yeah, I don'tknow. I'm I'm blaming it. I'm

(02:30):
blaming it on season four of You. On watching season four of You,
it just mats you up. Yeah, having to having to finish all of
season four screwed me up. Yourbody will never be the same again now
that you've watched that show. Mybody rejected it completely. I still don't

(02:53):
know what happens, because I'm fairlypaying attention. I feel that I and
I still had no idea what happened. Well, I watched the first episode.
I actually couldn't even make it through. I understand because like all the
other seasons were so good, likeeach one got better than the last.
I thought, Hey, yeah,I'm like season one the best, did

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you. I loved Love, soI like Beck. I love Peach.
My cat is named after Peach.So yeah, partial, I'm partial to
them. Yeah. I will givefive a shot and see how it goes,
see if it's any better. ButI don't know. I just I

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think they never should have killed offLove. I was a big Love Quinn
fan. I don't know. Ilike to believe. I like to cling
to the delusional hope that she andforty faked their deaths somehow and they're still
alive out there somewhere. I lovethat. I love your optimism. Kelly.

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You know, she's a horrible sociopathicserial killer, but you know,
but we like her. She's cool, she's great. She's a serial killer,
but she's cool as hell. Ever, it's all good, Kelly.
What did you think of this episode? It was you know, I thought

(04:28):
I remember liking it a lot morethan I did. M hmm. It
just made me really uncomfortable to watch, because it was just it was uncomfortable
watching Kate enjoying being with this manso much. I made me empathize with
her a lot. Y. Ifelt so sorry for her watching this,

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and I felt so much like whenwe do here her defend Martin, which
she does a big this therapy sessionand in previous episodes, like I see
how she would feel that, Andalso I think it it is almost worse
that she had this relationship with himthat turns like I mean, obviously it

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was sour from the beginning, butends in her being locked in the basement.
Is like so much worse because shehad so much trust for this person
and she felt like they had likea genuine connection and that they were on
the same like playing field, andthey're not. Yeah, yeah, definitely

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it was. Yeah, I justI got so because I don't know,
I remembered it differently, Like Iremembered it being a little less I remembered
its seat coming off as almost alittle less creepy and less predatory. But

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like like if you didn't almost asif you didn't know that she was a
high schooler, would it seem creepymm hmm. But like you know,
they're sitting on his couch and he'slike, have you ever kissed somebody much
older? It's like he's just likegoing right in you know, yeah truly.
Oh so it's so sickening. Yeah, I remember when I watched this

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for the very first time. Youknow, I was kind of like unhappy
with season one of Cruel Summer becauseJeanette's line this changes everything of Kate willingly
going into the house really drove menuts. And then uh we talked about
before, and also like throughout theshow, I was like, well,

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why aren't we seeing more of likeKate and Martin, Like where's Kate and
Martin? During like the captivity,like where is it? Where is it?
Like that's what I want to see? And then and they finally gave
it to me, and I wasjust so like it was just so like
fascinating to me. And I don'tknow, I think there is kind of

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this like this like childish kind oflike dream of being like I don't ever
have to go back to school andI can just stay in this place and
it's safe and someone takes care ofme and I'm here forever and I don't
have to worry about school, andI don't have to worry about my you
know, crappy boyfriend. I don'thave to worry about my shitty parents,

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and like, you know, Ijust that's where it's like I understand where
Kate was coming from and I totallyget how she could be there so many
days, literally hundreds of days.Yeah, there was there was. I
mean, it's you know, therewas something. I'm sure there was something
kind of glamorous about it to her, about the idea of it to her,

(07:54):
you know for sure. It's it'sjust yeah, I mean it was
just painful when she was like Iwhen she you know, when he called
her on going to her parents,going to her house and he was like,
you can't do that again, andshe's like I can't go outside.

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Yeah, it's like, oh mygod, and I oh, oh god.
Yeah. It was just it wasjust a hard episode to watch,
you know, especially like knowing whereit was leading, like you felt like
hate in that one episode where shewas screaming at the woman like you know,

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run faster like and and it alsojust reminded me of It reminded me
so much of like one of myclose friends had a relationship with the teacher
in high school, and it justlike it didn't seem weird at the time,

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Like he's young, you know,he was, he was very young.
He was like twenty three or something, was like twenty Yeah, I
was like twenty three years old,and it just we didn't think it was
that weird at the time because hewasn't that much older than us, and
it was just, you know,now looking back, it's like, yeah,

(09:20):
that was really fucking creepy. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know,
but I mean, oh, itwas well done though. It was
very well done. Sure. Ithought Olivia Holt was great. Oh she
killed at this episode. Some reallygood songs too, really good song choices.

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Because should we start with the nineteenninety three timeline, Yeah, let's
do it. Great, So weget a replay of Kate approaching Martin's house.
They show a shot of her likecrossing the threat hold that like reminds
me of like when you let avampire in your house and you like welcome

(10:07):
a vampire in. I feel likethey've filmed that like the same way,
where it just really wanted to emphasizelike, hey, like she's coming in,
she's crossing in, she's not goingto get out basically. Yeah,
And this was the first time itreally registered for me that like her time
in captivity starts with her birthday,which is so sad. I know,

(10:33):
that is really sad. That's awful, that's so sad. We see that
it's day one. She's talking toMartin. She says she feels so alone
in her own life, and he, you know, she falls asleep on
the couch and he takes off hershoes gives her a blanket. We also

(10:54):
see she rests her head on hisshoulder. So day two, Kate wakes
up, calls out to Martin,doesn't find him, but she goes down
to the basement and I mean,there's like nothing has happened in the basement
yet, but it's just like oneof those things like when Jeanette went down

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there. It's just bad, badvibes. I don't know if it's like,
oh multiverse, multiple timelines at once, but like the music they play
anytime anyone goes in the basement,they want you to know like spooky,
scary. We don't like it.Meanwhile, Rod and Joy have been waiting

(11:37):
up all night for Kate. Rodfell asleep sitting up and Joy is like
the most disheveled we've ever seen herin this show. She's upset, but
as she said last week, shedoesn't want to call the police and have
Kate be labeled as like a badgirl. And she thinks that Kate is

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gonna show up for school. Rodsays that they still need to sort out
everything as a family. Though.Yeah, So it's the first day of
school and Kate is sitting down tobreakfast with Martin and he suggests she walked
to school on her own because hehas a meeting first, which, like,

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I'm sure he does have a meeting, but also like he can't show
up with Kate Wallace in his car, like really, you know, so
I just thought that was funny.And he also says that when they're at
school, he has or she hasto call him mister Harris. Do you

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think when Martin is telling all thisto her, do you think that he
knows she might not leave the houseor do you think that he thinks,
like, you know, she's gonnalike go to class. I think he
assumes that she's gonna go to classbecause I'm and she's not the type to
really get into any trouble, like, you know, I mean I think
she I think they mentioned that she'sa good student. Yeah, I mean,

(13:09):
I I just assume that it's thatit's obvious and and also it's I
mean, I think it's I thinkthe idea him is just unthinkable that that
she would want to attract any attentionto that relationship by or to the fact
that she was there by not showingup at school. It's like, what

(13:33):
would her alibi be? Yeah,and but she's she's a kid and probably
not thinking about that stuff. Yeah, and so she's not like, you
know, he didn't even he's he'sjust not thinking and he should have talked
to her about it, you know, make sure that he should I mean

(13:54):
he should have he should have donemore to make sure that she went to
school. Yeah, yeah, Imean I get where. It's like,
you know, I feel like whenshe came to Martin's house, she feels
like she's in a safe haven now. And I totally understand. Also,
like first day of school is likehard, that's like always nerve racking.

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I totally get like she just doesn'twant life to keep going right now.
She just wants to be in likepause, in the peaceful place. I
loved the first day school. Really, I get so nervous every time,
Like, yeah, if I've goneto the school for like three four years,

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it doesn't matter. I'm I'm sonervous. I just like, yeah,
I know, it makes me makesme scared. We get a POV
shot of Mallory filming Martin go toschool, and it's like really funny,
Like that clip isn't not funny tome? Also, watching this from Mallory's

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perspective. Last episode we kind oftalked about, like do you think Mallory,
who had the footage shot it,Like, do you think she saw
Kate after watching this? I reallydon't think she saw Kate in this footage.
Yeah, I don't either. Shewas she was laughing to Martin Harris.
I would be too. It wasvery funny entrance. Yes. Also
like Kate watched him trip and waslike he like, I don't know that.

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It was fine. So when Malory'sPOV shot starts, we start hearing
Linger by the Cranberries. Loved thissong. As Kate is going through like
all of his stuff in the house, I don't blame her, like if

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I was left alone in this likeguy, I likes house, like going
through all this shit. You know, she even like puts on one of
his dress shirts. And there's ahard cut. I forget what lyric it
is in Linger, but the songjust like abruptly stops and it immediately cuts

(16:18):
to a burnt pizza, which isvery good, good and funny editing this
pizza's burnt ry a way? CanI can I just interject something I actually
remember. I actually have a memoryfrom my first day back to school in

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nineteen ninety three. It was mysenior year, and that was that was
our shoot moment when we were likesinging and dancing along to shoot in the
locker room. Oh, that's sofunny, like in Yellow Jackets. Yeah,
the first day is the first dayat school. That's so funny.

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So the pizzas burned. The firealarm, Uh, not as loud as
the one I experienced, but stillpretty annoying starts to go off Martin.
That makes Martin really nervous. Likethat's the first thing he does is turn
off the alarm. I this wassuch a great like performance for both Olivia

(17:29):
Halt and the actor playing Martin,like they did so excellent. Yeah,
I mean Martin is most concerned aboutpeople finding Kate in his house number one
more or less like a thing that'son fire like Bernie. So he stops
the fire alarm. He's really stressed. He wants to know why she wasn't

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in school. He brings up thatJoy came specifically to him to look for
Kate. He said she needs toleave because if she doesn't, he's gonna
lose his job. And Kate saysshe's gonna leave. Do you okay,
do you think that at this pointis this like reverse psychology? Uh?

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I don't. I don't think so. I don't think so either. I
think I think this part is genuine. But I was so excited to talk
over this episode with you because youknow, I mean, I I do
think there there does reach a pointwhere Martin is like, okay, like
you're gonna stay here? But yeah, I was. I was just so

(18:44):
curious to see, like what yourthoughts are and get a get a deep
dive into Martin's intentions. Yeah,I you know, I think that.
Okay, here's here's my take onMartin Martin. It is Martin's obviously very
complex mm hmm. He has alot of he has a lot of trauma.

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He you know, there's there's obviouslysome mental illness that runs in his
family that resulted in him having somesome extremely serious childhood trauma and that he

(19:33):
likely never recovered from. I thinkthat he likely has tried to do a
lot of work on himself, whichis why he has been able to get
a get a good job and getas foreign life as he has been able
to and live a fairly normal lifewithout getting into a lot of trouble,

(20:00):
and why he gave Kate so manychances to like, I mean, I'm
not defending him, don't get Ihope that it doesn't sound like that,
but I mean, you know,let's say that she had gone to school
that day. She may have nevergone back there and nothing and possibly nothing

(20:23):
would have ever happened, right.I think that I think that he's somebody
who had the capability, who alwayshad the capability of going somewhere really dark
and dangerous and going to a reallydisturbed place. But he did a lot

(20:45):
of work on himself. But hefound himself in a situation that he couldn't
get out of, that he didn'tknow how to get out of, and
he snapped. I think that thework Martin has done on himself is very

(21:11):
like superficial. Not yeah, absolutelylike the purely like exterior perspective, but
just like you know, it's it'senough to make him be a passable,
even like esteemed member of society.I also think I don't. I'm not
saying I'm like the most savvy personon like sexual disorders or like pedophilia or

(21:38):
anything, but I think that hesays that his father committed suicide around Kate's
age. Sometimes when trauma happens atthat's certain at like a certain age or
point in your life, especially likewhen you're a child. You can grow
up, but you're kind of emotionallystunted to the age at which that happened.

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Another show that kind of tackles groominga teacher, which I don't think
did a good job of it,honestly, but they kind of like explored
like, well, how is thisperson like ending up here? And they

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didn't really fully show everything from thatcharacter's life that would like lead to this,
you know, like what ends uphappening with her and a student.
But yeah, I feel like Martinis kind of emotionally stunted and in a
way like his inner child, who'slike sixteen years old, is still running

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the show, and like, youknow, it's one of those things where
it's like that's how he feels inside, and so this is how maybe it's
it's manifesting. Obviously, neither ofus are excusing his actions or saying that
it's right. I just think likethis is how he got here. Yeah.

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So Martin gets a call and ashe's on the phone, he closes
his blinds. Good, you knowwhat. I'm sorry, I'm sorry to
interrupt you. I just want topoint out, like just going along with
what you're saying. I mean,he's he's a grown adult man who who

(23:32):
had a woman like basically throwing herselfat him, and he had like he
just wanted no part of it.I mean, like just could not have
been less interested. Yeah. Soyeah, it's and it's not just you

(23:56):
could easily say like, Okay,well maybe he's find her attractive, but
he finds it seventeen year old girlattractive. Yeah, you know, I
mean exactly. Yeah. I don'tthink. I don't think he's attracted to
t Neil's mom, point blank.I think that also, like the vague

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mentions he's given about relationships, like, I do have a feeling like he's
pursued minors before. Yeah. Yeah. So Martin gets a call as he's
closing the blinds. It's a detective. He tells Kate that she's officially a
missing person and the police are lookingfor her. So uh. She says

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she's going to go home and fixthis, and Martin pours two glasses of
scotch. I think this is whereI start to think when he pours the
two two glasses of scotch, andthen he says, Oh, I forgot
you're in my I forgot you're underage. How can you forget she's one of

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your high school students? Like,I don't think that's true. I think
that once she's already a missing person. I feel like he mentally was like,
fuck it, let's keep her here. Yeah. I I'm kind of
tempted to believe that too, becausethen the scotch just felt like such a

(25:30):
mood shift, Like Kate was literallylike okay, great, I'm grabbing my
suitcase, like I'll go, I'llfix it. But then it's like they
you know he pours scotch. It'slike, well, if you're if he's
genuinely trying to make a cover forhimself and protect himself, I wouldn't.

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I wouldn't get drunk and make aplan. And also like, there's no
there's no way he didn't intention onlypour that cup of scotch. Also giving
a high schooler scotch, like Idon't drink scotch, Like I can't imagine
like a sixteen year old drinking scotch, Like gross, yeahs, you're giving

(26:15):
that poor girls scotch, Like justgive her PBR come on. Yeah,
oh my gosh, that's another noteI have. So anyway, I think
that's a complete manipulation. I thinkhe when he's like, I forgot you're

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underage, I think that was puta like putting on a show for Kate.
I think that was there for her. He says that sometimes when she
is stressed about homework, she likesto distract herself to think of a resolution.
So maybe they should play a game, which, okay, this is

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the point in the conversation, goingback to Martin not being attracted to Tnil's
mom, I'm like, how canyou honestly like I the media slash.
I feel like pop culture really likeaccentuates like younger women being attractive and like

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barely legal attractiveness, which I thinkis is kind of like one thing.
But it's like, listen to theconversation she's having with Martin. She's like
trying to give him advice and comparingit to like when she's studying for like
biology class, and he's like anadult man that has a detective calling him

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because this girl's at his house.You know, it's like they're not on
the same playing field, like obviously, and it's just so like their experience
levels in life and the conversations thatthey're each capable of having are just so
like differ from each other. Andwhen she like made that statement about how

(28:03):
this helps her with homework, Iwas just like, she just feels so
ridiculously like younger than him, youknow, it's it just makes it Oh
yeah, absolutely, you know.Yeah. Yeah, So she suggests they
play Never Have I Ever? Well, first she asked if he has Monopoly,

(28:27):
which he doesn't. Well that thatis annoying that but that that would
have been so funny if they playlike a two and a half hour game
of Monopoly. I wish they hadn'tplayed Monopoly because then maybe like they would
have gotten into a huge fight andshe would have sturned out. Yeah,
yeah, Monopoly does lead to fights. Yeah, So they decide to play

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Never Have I Ever, which,like, I mean, he set the
trap and then she just like doesright into it, and she's like we're
already drinking which is like, girl, no you're not. But yeah,
he poured that second cup, soit was like he poured. It was
like oops, but it doesn't matterbecause it's already poured. It's already in

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front of her. He didn't pourit back in the glass or back in
He wasn't like, oh, makemine a double, you know. So
like she just like fell right intothat, and she mentioned she's the debate
team captain. I was actually thedebate team captain, So I thought that
was funny. I'm like, oh, me and Kay Wallace so working together.

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They Never have I ever is areally pretty innocent Never have I Ever
is usually not innocent at all.Kate also mentions in this conversation that she's
an old soul. I saw somethingonline that I thought and like one of

(30:02):
my like therapy psychology like TikTok accountsI follow that I thought was really interesting.
It's like basically said, like sometimeswhen parents like refer to their children
as being old souls, it's likefrom a place of trauma, and it's

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from a place of like children notbeing able to act their own age and
like forcibly being made to be moremature than they are. The post was
like, you're not You're not anold soul. You've been like doing the
work of like a parent and likebeing a companion for your parent or being

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you know, put in a moredifficult position than you should have been from
an early age. And it's asign of the trauma of a forty year
old to three years old exactly exactly, So like even just like hearing that,
like it just gives me like asinking feeling in my heart, like
I just feel I feel so Ifelt so emotional watching this this episode in

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particular, like the first time,I was just so engaged with all of
it, and I was so likefascinated. Now that I know where it's
headed, it just you know,my heart breaks, like it's it's sod.
Uh So Martin says, he bringsup that he's been on a road

(31:32):
trip and Kate asked if it's fora girl, and he said yes,
and it sounds like he was runningfrom the law. Like when you actually
I'm serious, when you actually thinkI could wink about that, he said.
The states he listed he went to, it's like he bopped all over
the country. And then he saidhe drove all the way through Florida,

(31:56):
which that's that's days of I've donethat drive. That's days of driving.
And he went to he hit KeyWest and I don't know what the laws
are in Key West. I don'tknow what things were like there in the
nineties. But he was like,yeah, Key West is a crazy place.
I'm like, yeah, where youcan take an underage child and like

(32:19):
get away with it. That's that'ssome criminal it's some criminal road tripping,
you know, totally to not thinkabout that. I and you know,
it's another thing where it's like Ifeel like when we talk about like all
the characters we do want to revisit. I would love to see like a
full I just want to see afew pages of Kate Wallace's biography that we

(32:45):
saw appear in season two, becauseyeah, I want to know, like
Martin Harris's whole thing, Like Ifeel like leaving Widow Falls and that they
even had that in there. Ithink that was something with the girl in
Widow Falls. I do believe somethinghappened. Maybe that was this girl,
maybe it wasn't, but like Ithink he's tried this before. Yeah,

(33:09):
maybe I would be God, Iwould love to know what that story was
and you know, if he wasrunning, if he was trying to obey
the police, like I mean,god when I would love go ahead?
Oh no, I was just gonnasay, I would love to if we,

(33:30):
if we ever talk to the writersabout this, that's something that I
would love to ask them, likethat loved to ask going Yeah, I
would love to ask the writers.I would love to get my hands on
the scripts if they're released, AndI would love to see if there are
other cut details or cut scenes thatyeah, didn't make it in here,

(33:55):
but give more light to uh,to his path, because that's the one
thing I feel like I love thisseason, like this is I like season
one more than season two of CruelSummer. I was kind of a fence
sitter when we were doing season two, but I think it's just because it's
like sentimental to me because this podcast, you know much love but uh,

(34:22):
yeah, no, I think thisis such a great season of television.
That's like the only thing well maybenot the only thing. Maybe not the
only thing when you see the ending, but it's one of maybe like two
things that I feel like I wouldhave liked more of. Yeah in this

(34:43):
anyway, So they're drinking, Ithink Martin was running from the law.
But then Martin asked her if she'sever kissed someonet older. I hate that,
ys that it's very pervy, butlike you, you know, he's
gonna take it there like it's we'vebeen on borrowed time with him being a

(35:06):
gentleman, you know. And Kate'slike, oh, yeah, Jamie's six
months older than me. Haha,you know, of course, because that's
how a child is like thinking ofthat question and then right, yeah,
and then he asks if she's everkissed someone significantly older, and like,

(35:29):
what if she was like, oh, yeah, I'm into forty year old
man, what about you? Wouldhe be like you, I don't like
you anymore? You know. It'slike, I don't know, like,
I think he just expects her tosay no. I think her like,
I think her lack of sexual experienceattracts him to her or her to him.

(35:55):
Yeah. Probably also, as weget for I should have said this
earlier. Major trigger warning for groomingmajor Yeah. Yeah, I didn't think
about that either. I am sorry, guys, I'm so bad with that
stuff. I always forget about that. I mean, somebody with I should
be better about it. Yeah,if you've made it this far in the

(36:16):
show, I think you already kindof know you know, yeah, but
uh but I think it, youknow, because it gets worse. Yeah,
it does get worse. So Kateasks if he's daring her, and
he says, no, he's justkidding, right, Yeah that that looks

(36:40):
like the face of a man who'skidding. Yeah, I this is so
it's just so gas lady, Andlike it's so I mean a guy claiming
like, oh, like giving offvibes that he's into you and then being
like I'm just kidding. It's likeone that is just like part for the

(37:02):
coarse gas lighting, Like yeah,fu fuck boy energy, you know what
I mean. Like, uh,it's just so it's just so icky.
It's so like classic icky Man.But of course Martin is an even worse
version obviously. So then we cutto Kate hiding in the Linen closet.

(37:25):
They're playing really like thematic scary music. At first, I thought this might
be the same closet that Jeannette washiding in about two episodes ago. I
wasn't sure, though, Yeah,I didn't see the stereo. I just
saw like Linen's and Martin is likelooking for her, and then he opens

(37:52):
the closet doors and catches her.And as he catches her, they kiss
and they start running through the housetogether and that's when the Slate comes in
and tells us that it's day twentyone, and it's just like this is
like I think, as heavy asthis episode is, I think this is

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one of my favorite episodes of television. I think this is so well edited.
I think they made so many likeexcellent choices too, of like what
they show us and what they don'tshow us. I would love to do
an episode discussing this if people wantto leave us a comment and say they're

(38:36):
interested in it. I've read,I've read I watched A Teacher, and
I also watched A Friend of theFamily, and I think that Cruel Summer
has done the best job showing groomingof all those shows. I really appreciate

(38:57):
what they choose not to show usbecause I think with media and also,
I mean, Olivia Holt was twentyfive at the time of filming. The
actor who plays Martin, he looksyounger than he is, isn't he like
thirty eight in this? I thinkso? Yeah, yeah, I My

(39:22):
one of my issues I'll just saywith like a teacher is there was only
like five years difference between the studentand the teacher, and they are both
adults, which is understandable. Butthey show like, you know, I
mean, they show like basically sexscenes and it's supposed to be like sexy,

(39:44):
It like looks sexy, it's supposedto feel like sexy. It doesn't
feel like it's an assault, youknow, that's the way it's supposed to.
But then simultaneously, like my issuewith The Friend of the Family,
which is based on a true story, is that it is so it is

(40:06):
so wildly inappropriate and creepy that Imean, that show was like the most
uncomfortable show I think I've ever watched, and I know it was terrifying.
Did you see it, Kelly,Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was
terrifying. I mean I did likethat that the that the victim was involved.

(40:31):
Yeah. She opens the show basicallysaying like, hey, like I
wanted to make this so that thisnever happens to another family again, which
is great, but it was verydifficult to watch that show, was Yeah,
And and I think that excessively.It's like there's got to be something

(40:54):
in the middle. We can't likeglamorize these relationship and be like, oh,
look I got too sexy Hollywood actorslike, oh, but it's forbidden
love, it's inappropriate. Uh oh, you know, it's like okay,
like no, no, And Iwasn't comfortable with Like, I mean,

(41:15):
yeah, I get it, adultsmanipulating each other is a bad thing,
but I was not comfortable with thewith the parents being made out to be
such victims. Uh in a frienda friend of the family, Yeah,
yeah, it was so. Andthen we'll get back to crul summer in
a minute. Basically, like ifyou haven't seen it, a friend of

(41:37):
the family is set, I wantto say, in the seventies, and
it's a Mormon family. So basicallylike no one discusses pedophilia, Like no
one has an understanding of pedophilia.So this family, like their daughter goes
missing with this guy, and likehe convinces them, similar to Martin and

(42:02):
Joy, he convinces them to notcall the cops and report it to the
cops. He basically like cons themlike so much. And it's implied that
it's like because it's the seventies,I think people are a little more trusting,
but on top of it that they'rebecause they're Mormon and because he's the
man who took their daughter is partof that community, they like just kind

(42:27):
of let it go. Essentially.Yeah, that was honestly, like one
of the most difficult parts. Butyeah, and I didn't like that they
I really hated that that they thatthey put my my sweet little silky Stackhouse
and in that kind of role.I know, I'm like, what are

(42:50):
you doing? Man, Sookie Stackhousewould never do this. So yeah,
it was wild seeing him in that. But yeah, I mean so,
But basically that's that's why I'm I'mreally applauding the directing, the writing,
and the editing for this episode becauseI think this show is still accessible and

(43:15):
it does its job really well.And I think like, if their goal
is to raise awareness for this,make it entertainment, but also make it
touching and empathetic, not sexual orlike, I don't know, just desirable,

(43:37):
that they hit their goal. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So we
get the slate after they're running aroundthe house kissing that it's day twenty one.
I think this was a cover.Again, I wasn't sure. Yeah,
so it's a cover of Laid bythe Pains of being pure at heart,

(43:58):
playing great song, very playful.I thought it was. It was
really I haven't heard the song inyear. It's like, it's really fun
to hear it. So they're runningaround and Martin suggests he run them a
shower. Oh, you know,but it's like, that's that's all.
That's that's all I need. Ijust need to see them kiss once and

(44:22):
then that, and then I'm like, oh, I know exactly where they
are in the relationship. Don't needto see anything else anything. I said
that, I kind of threw upin my mouth. Oh yeah, it's
it's horrible. It's so horrible.And the news is on. Martin turns
it off. So day thirty Kateis. She says she's just watching daytime

(44:46):
television like a housewife. She's sobored. Martin obviously says she has to
stay home, and he suggests shego through his travel guides and find them
a place to go for her eighteenthbirthday. Kate later on throws out a
bunch of countries, a different bunchof different places she brings up like Bora,

(45:07):
Bora. She also brings up Thailand, which has a reputation for child
sex trafficking and so, and Ithought that was yeah, came up.
Martin's like, yeah, like,oh, all these countries I've been there.

(45:30):
Wait, you've been to Thailand.No, I'm saying that's what he
was thinking. Yeah, He's like, yeah, well that's where I was
trying to go last time. Butthe flight from Middle Falls to Thailand got
canceled. Oh I ended up inTexas instead. Next desk place. I'm

(45:52):
kidding, I'm kidding. So Daythirty four, Kate mentions Renee's parents are
fifteen years apart. She says shecan't wait to grow up so they can
be a real couple. I'm like, bad newsgirl, when you grow up,
he's not even gonna be attracted toyou anymore. Nope, nope.

(46:14):
She says. She misses her parents, But all of a sudden, someone
comes to the door and Martin basicallylike pushes Kate into that the closet that
Jeanette definitely was hiding in. Yeah, so he pushes her in there.

(46:35):
Martin opens the door to Greg.Greg has a flat tire, he needs
to use his phone. Martin islike trying so hard to get him out
of the house. This is likethe only funny scene in this episode.
I think I'm just laughing about thefact that, like, you know,
again, it's just Martin's house.It's just like you know, people are

(46:59):
just magically draw into it. Ohyeah, it's it's a place of interest.
No cell phones, you know,So he's got to use Martin's phone.
Martin is like, oh, myphone isn't working. But of course,
like Greg already presses the button andit has a dial tone, so,

(47:21):
which just another nineties thing to everyoneremember those. Yes, So Greg
asked if someone else is there becausehe sees two coffee cups, and Martin's
like, no, why would youask that? And he's like, oh,
you got a little lady friend likeday after you're entertaining. It's like

(47:42):
Greg like shut up, like this, yeah, this man is sick,
well I mean sick in the head, but he thinks he's like ill,
So so just like get out,like why are you so nosy with the
assistant principle, like asking him likehe's got a girlfriend, like, get
out of there. So Greg usesthe phone. He's so nosy. Then

(48:04):
he leaves Martin. The tone changesso drastically. When he leaves Martin,
Kate comes out and Martin is it'slike the same as when the pizza was
burning. He's like, that wasway too close, and Kate's like,
yeah, I don't like Geane shovedin a closet. So Martin installs giant

(48:34):
curtains in front of the front door. Day sixty four, it's Halloween and
they're carving pumpkins and Kate suggests shewear a mask so that she can hand
out candy to trigger treaters. Youknow, Martin doesn't support this idea,
obviously. He says that everyone they'vegiven up searching, like there aren't police

(49:02):
hanging around the high school anymore.Everyone thinks she ran away, but that's
a good thing. But of course, like Kate doesn't feel that. Later
on that night, they're under apillow for it with lights. Obviously they're
not handing out candy to trick ortreaters, and Kate says like this they

(49:23):
can go on, but the bubblethat they're living in can't. Day eighty
nine, Martin and Kate are eatingdinner together and Kate asked about her parents.
Martin does not have like a goodanswer for that at all. This

(49:45):
I think this was Thanksgiving. Also, this is when she doesn't like the
stuffing. There's apples in the stuffing, and she's like, that's not how
my mom makes it. I don'tthink that's how anyone makes it. No,
I've never heard of apples and stuffing. And you know, it seemed
to like it seemed to be reallyupsetting for her, Like, I mean,

(50:09):
it was really triggering for her.I mean, yeah, like it
was more than just about the stuffing. You know, Oh for sure,
it was like holidays. You know, it's holiday season. Mm hmm,
yeah, like she was just itmade her realize, you know, she
she was missing her mom stuffing,and she was missing Thanksgiving dinner with her

(50:32):
family, and you know, it'sjust it was just a it was clearly
a really triggering moment for her.Yeah, definitely, way more than it's
It's amazing though, because between thesedates that every time Kate gets a little
bummed out, it's day sixty four, she hangs in there, It's day

(50:55):
eighty nine, and then it's dayone eighteen. So like each time she
spends like she has like a badtime, and then she's still there for
like thirty more days, like ofher own accord. Well, I mean,
you know, obviously she's been manipulatedby Martin, but I mean she

(51:16):
chooses to stay. It also justreminds me of just like overstaying a relationship
period, you know, yeah,I mean, like these recurring issues.
So by day one eighteen, Kateis laying in bed like lifeless. It's
Christmas Eve. Martin brings her tea, but she says she wants a soft

(51:40):
pretzel from the mall. She saysshe misses the mall, movies, sunlight
on her skin, other people,but mostly the mall, which's funny,
like mostly the mall, like oversunlight. I mean, I guess how
Yeah, I wouldn't miss other peoplethat much. Yeah, I know,

(52:05):
it depends on the other people.It depends. Yeah, well it was
the nineties, so yeah maybe,I mean, you know, there's yeah,
the Internet wasn't really that much ofa thing back then, so like,
yeah, that's true. There wasno online shopping. That's if if
she if she had Amazon, shewould be oh my god. That was

(52:25):
the other thing I was thinking aboutthis episode. Surely when Martin is buying
her products, you know, likewomen's shampoo or razors or tampons or any
stuff like that, like yeah,sure, least people notice surely, like
when like post mortem, like theywere investigating Martin Harris, like that's in

(52:49):
all of his reskits. Yeah,it looks like he has a girl.
You know, it looks like atleast he has a girlfriend. Yeah,
so definitely that that was interesting tome. So uh yeah, So Martin
goes to the mall, Jeanette seeshim, and Jeanette is kind of like

(53:13):
in this in between phase where uhwe don't see her like talk about it,
but she she is wearing contact lensesnow, her braces are off,
but her hair is still curly,so she hasn't fully become nineteen ninety four
Jeanette. She's in like an inbetween stage. I also really appreciate seeing

(53:37):
her like this because I don't know, you know, I've been on my
It's crazy how she straightens her hairlike that kicks, so yeah, the
waves. So Jeanette sees him.Meanwhile, the cops like abruptly pull up
in front of the mall and Martinlike cowards in front of them, thinking

(54:00):
he's about to get arrested, butthe time is just run right past him.
Do you like, what do youthink that was about? Do you
think that he was hoping he wasgonna get arrested. Secretly, Oh,
I didn't think he was hoping.That's interesting though, that's an interesting take.

(54:21):
I didn't think he was hoping hewould get arrested. I think he
just thought, oh shit, likeit's finally all caught up to me somehow,
even though you know he's been careful, like he doesn't know what Kate's
doing in the house per se.I feel like part of him was almost

(54:42):
relieved when he thought he was aboutto be arrested, like he felt like
it was over. And because hejust like, I mean, he just
threw his hand up so fast,you know, Yeah, it's true,

(55:07):
Like he just didn't even like youwould think he would just try to ignore
them or just you know, pretendlike run like if anything he is guilty,
you know, why would yeah,why would he act like he would
like why would he act like hewould assume they were looking for him?

(55:28):
You know what I mean? Right, That's that's so I feel like,
Yeah, I feel like a bigpart of him was hoping that he would
just that he was gonna get arrestedjust then. You know. That kind
of makes sense with that bubble conversationwhere the voiceover that we're going to get

(55:49):
to in nineteen ninety four of thatis like her explaining, like we both
knew it was wrong. We bothknew it wasn't like going to be able
to be sustained, but we justlike ignored that. And I feel like,
especially like he's the adult, youknow, deep down, he knows
that this isn't gonna how is itgoing to end? You know, it's

(56:09):
never gonna It was never going toend well. And also at this rate,
Kate is like so unhappy there.He's on borrowed time. So that
makes a lot of sense. That'sa great theory, Kelly, Yeah,
I'm thinking. So meanwhile, Kateis in the house alone and she decides

(56:34):
to call Jamie, and that isthat notorious phone call we heard last episode.
She just kind of breathes into thephone and she's walking around with the
music or the snow globe in herhand as she's she's listening. So as
she's doing that, Jeanette approaches Martin'shouse because obviously she's got to go steal

(57:00):
some ship her baker. So yeah, that's why she's so happy. When
she sees Martin at the mall,she knows she can go steal some stuff.
Kate is visible the caurl summer,so Jeanette approaches Martin's house. The

(57:28):
curtains are not drawn, Kate iscompletely visible in the window, but they
don't see each other, which isfunny. So Jeanette walks in and and
says hello as she does, whichlike, I don't know why she does
that every time, but good thingsshe did and Kate, I mean not

(57:51):
maybe not good thing, not goodthings she did. She says hello,
so Kate knows it's not Martin,and Kate hides upstairs so she's watching and
Jeanette basically is just like wandering aroundlooking at his Christmas setup. She sees
the snow globe. Then she thinksshe hears something upstairs, so she runs

(58:14):
and this is when her you gogirl bracelet or excuse me, necklace falls
off, so she you know,decides not to tell Martin about this.
She has the bracelet or necklace andshe just kind of keeps it. So

(58:35):
then later that night, she islaying in bed, can't sleep, so
she gets up while Martin is sleepingand goes to her parents' house and as
she's looking in the window, shesees that they're laughing together, and this

(58:57):
is really upsetting for her. Hshe starts to cry. But of course,
once Kate leaves, that's when Joytells Rod this is the first time
she's laughed in months. She's like, that makes sense, you know,
she just happened to kind of bethere at a moment where they were laughing,
but normally they are not that Ibelieve. In fact, Joy wants

(59:24):
to cancel Christmas dinner. She doesn'teven think she can do it rightfully.
So I'm you know, and Imean for Joy. For Joy to cancel
Christmas dinner, that's how you knowshe's upset. Yeah, So Kate returns
to Martin's house, gets back inher pjs, gets back in the bed,

(59:46):
but of course we see that Martinis awake and notices this. So
Day one, nineteen is Christmas Day. They're opening gifts and and you know,
Kate has really kind of like renewedher interest in being there with Martin

(01:00:07):
now now that she sees how happyher parents were without her, or so
she thinks she is way more interestedin staying with Martin again. She's dressed
up in that red dress with herpearls. We have seen this dress before
in flashbacks, and Martin says sheseems better. He asks if it's because

(01:00:35):
she's feeling guilty for leaving, andhe confronts her with leaving the house.
He says, you know how badit would be for me? Did you
even consider me at all? Katesaid she like does not like these circumstances,
but Martin says she can't go outsideuntil she's eighteen, and she starts

(01:00:58):
to say, you know, soundsless like and Martin says, what,
like I'm your dad, which isso like one of the creepiest things I've
heard him say, like yeah uh, and she's like, but I love
her reply. She says, no, it sounds an awful lot like you're
my kidnapper. Yeah, and that'sbecause he is right, yeah, so

(01:01:25):
yeah. So Kate says she wantsto leave, and Martin is like grasping
at straws at this point because Kateis like, definitively like getting out.
He says people are gonna find outeven if she lies about it, it's
gonna be just as bad for heras it is for him. No,
it's not, he's just making anyattempt to ken to keep her. She

(01:01:51):
asks for her suitcase. He says, it's in the basement. You know
where this is headed. She goesto the basement. There's a really creep
be shot of her at the bottomof the basement stairs and him at the
top as just like a scary tallsilhouette. Uh. It's so creepy.
And of course he locks her inthere and he turns on a record to

(01:02:15):
drowned out her yelling oh so sinister, yeah so sinistor. I just I
mean, do you do you think, like, what do you think would

(01:02:37):
have happened if she do you thinkthe same thing would have happened if she
had said that she wanted to go, but she hadn't gone to her parents
house? I think so. Ithink if she like went to Jamie's house,

(01:02:58):
she went to like Taneila and Reneey, it still runs that risk
for him. And I think thatever since he had the feeling. I
know, I said, I agreewith your theory about the police, but
I do think ever since he gotscared seeing those excuse me, seeing those
cops, he was like, ohhell no, you know, yeah,

(01:03:22):
yeah, I yeah, that's theOh man, I just like, I
mean, do you think when doyou think that when do you think that?

(01:03:44):
When do you think the point ofno return was? Was it when
he came home and found her inhis house after she didn't go to school?
I think the point of no returnwas when the scotch was pored specific
lay. Yeah, yeah, that'sprobably probably a good theory. I think

(01:04:06):
if she had, if she hadinstead when when she's promised the first time
she was gonna leave, if ifshe made him the crappy pizza, and
then she says, Okay, I'mgonna leave and then he gets a call
saying it's it's I think if sheleft, then she would have been okay.

(01:04:28):
And honestly, if she had toldher parents, well, frankly,
I was at Martin Harris's house,I think Joy would be like, what
the fuck, Martin? You liedto me? But I honestly, I
think he would have even like gottenaway with it. Like I think Joy
would have completely let him off andhe could just go about his married business

(01:04:48):
and groom Kate some other way.And then like once he gets the call
from the detective, it's like,yeah, I do think it's like it
was kind of like a well,it's fucked any way, so might as
well take her type thing. ButI think if she left before he poured
the scotch and before they start likeacting familiar with each other, she still

(01:05:12):
could have like she could have Okayif I not that she should, right,
but yeah, I would have likecalled been like, hey, Martin,
I'm gonna call Jamie. I'm justgonna ask him to cover for me,
and so I would return home say, oh, I was at Jamie's
this whole time. He's just beencovering for me. I didn't feel like

(01:05:34):
going to school. I was hungover, and they were a good plant it
and Jamie would have whatever and Martinwould be in the clear. But yeah,
once she said they should play agame to think of a resolution,
it's like, no, you're you'renot leaving, You're not leaving. Yeah,

(01:05:55):
yeah, that was a bad idea. I mean, I really feel
like if she had told her parents, or if she had told her mom,
at least, I think Joy wouldhave kept it on the DL because
she wouldn't have wanted to attract attentionto it, agree because then they would
be like, how did this happen? Like what kind of mother are you?

(01:06:20):
You know? Yeah, Like Ifeel like that's what she would be
thinking, right, I think thiswhole time, well, not the whole
time, but those those first coupledays before the cops, the first day
when the cops were not called.That was because Joy was worried about how
it would look to be like,well, why do you think she would

(01:06:43):
run away? Oh? Because Ihit her? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Well there's not a that there's nottoo much going on in the ninety
four timeline, but let's uh,let's run through it. Yeah, it's
it's mostly, I mean, it'smost With doctor Parks, she is talking

(01:07:04):
to Kate about the concept of groomingand basically isolating the victim, which is
really like one of the most importantparts of the whole process. She explains
that Martin recognized in unfulfilled need inher to confide in someone, and then

(01:07:25):
he positions himself to be that soleperson to fulfill the need, and they
basically pose as saviors when in factthey're really predators, and they provide a
false sense of security that are reallyjust well laid traps. Yeah. Doctor
Parks asks Kate if she can seethat reality, but she finds it's hard.

(01:07:50):
It's hard when there's something that shehasn't confessed to her, and she
tells her that she wasn't always trappedin the basement, and you know,
that's when she explains like the wholerelationship or the whole timeline of their relationship.
She also explains that she feels shestill feels bad for Martin because of

(01:08:13):
their friendship, but doctor Parks remindsher that friendship occurs between two people who
are equals, and given the powerdynamic between them, that's unlikely to have
happened. And Kate says she doesn'tthink he could help it, which I
didn't really understand that. I Ijust I feel like what she was saying

(01:08:39):
was that he was just so attractedto her that he couldn't help himself,
which is just a classic excuse formen with completely inappropriate behavior. That it's
that line in particular, like giveme such pick because I mean, she

(01:09:01):
says their their friendship, he couldn'thelp himself, like she's making excuses for
him. I don't even think sherealizes it. Yeah, yeah, I'm
sure she doesn't. She asks Kateif she was afraid to disappoint Martin,
and this, like this was justthis is like one of those statements that

(01:09:28):
just that just you know, givesyou that that feeling and that just socks
in your stomach. It's like,she says, she was afraid of disappointing
anyone, and Martin noticed everything abouther, liked her for her, and
made her feel seen. Yeah,and that's one of the things that he
noticed about her. And it's it'slike, you know, like it's like

(01:09:59):
we were talking about re Sometimes raisingyour children to be perfectly obedient little soldiers
who never questioned authority is not thegreatest thing in the world. Yeah.
Doctor Parks asks her what stopped herfrom locking out the door, and she
states that he made it clear thatshe had to choose between him and the

(01:10:23):
outside world, and she chose him. For a long time, they kind
of had an unspoken rule that theyknew what they were doing was wrong,
but they just never talked about it, and you know, it was kind
of a sense of suspended disbelief,which is I mean, I imagine if
they talked, if they ever addressedit, it would just it would ruin

(01:10:45):
the fantasy. Right, So youknow, by Halloween, Kate was ready
to start having the real conversations,but he wasn't. And before Martin,
she hated that her parents were differentpeople in public than at home, but
she but with Martin, she endedup living this secret life, which was

(01:11:09):
kind of ironic. He made herthink that everything that she needed was inside
with him at all times. Butby Christmas Eve, she just couldn't take
the feeling of homesick anymore, ofhomesickness anymore. So doctor Parks asks her
why she didn't tell Martin about thenecklace or about Jeanette, and she said

(01:11:31):
she thought about it, but shethinks that she liked having a secret from
him, which it felt powerful toher. Mm hmm. And doctor Parks
thinks that Kate may have hoped thatJeannette would tell someone so she would be
forced to leave. Yeah, AndKate admits that she did leave once,

(01:12:00):
and that's when we see her goto her parents' house. Kate says that
seeing her parents happy while she wasmissing reminded her of why she left in
the first place. That that's crushed, That was crushing like that that's what
she was that that's what she wasfeeling. Yeah, and you know,
she's She said that Christmas was thefirst time that she was afraid of him,

(01:12:26):
and doctor Parks points out that hewas running out of tools to manipulate
her with. Mm hmm. It'sit's kind of it's it's kind of crazy,
Like when you watch this, it'slike, this is why, you

(01:12:51):
know, it's when you sometimes you'llyou'll you'll be on you'll be on social
media and you'll have interet you'll havestrange interactions with people and you never know
who you're interacting with online and youcould be interacting with a thirteen year old
and you have no idea. Ohyeah, and it's like you always have

(01:13:16):
to keep that in mind, andit's like you should always behave accordingly because
you have adult A grown adult hasabsolutely nothing in common with a teenager.
Yeah, this show does a greatjob of showing what that's like. And

(01:13:38):
as somebody who witnessed this, whowitnessed a very similar situation, granted my
friend was not abducted, she justhad a relationship with a teenager, I
mean with a teacher, and Iwitnessed it and felt like there was nothing
out of the ordinary about it becauseit was happening with someone my own age,

(01:14:00):
and it was just like like,oh wow, that's that's really like
kind of exciting, and you know, it's just we don't. We don't
think the same way. You know, it's looking at this there was nothing

(01:14:27):
that Martin. There was nothing inthis show about Martin's behavior that I other
than like when we got to theabduction stuff, obviously, there was nothing
about Martin's behavior before that point thatwas at all unlike the teacher that my
friend had a relationship with. Imean, if anything, Martin seemed more

(01:14:51):
likable. Mm hmm. So,I mean it just it it goes to
show you it's just like how easilyit is to manipulate somebody, especially someone
underage. Like yeah, yeah,it's just it's really scary, and I'm

(01:15:13):
just every time I watch an episode, I'm just I'm really impressed by what
a great job writers did with theshow. Just they didn't, you know,
they didn't go over that they couldhave got they could have gone so
over the top with it and youknow, gotten all mustache toorly villainy,
and they just you know, theydidn't. I mean, they had enough

(01:15:34):
of that with the whole abduction storypart of the story. But yeah,
and I mean they could have.They could have thrown in sexual assault in
there, and I know, andthey didn't. Yeah, I mean they
he drugged her, you know,he drugged her and rewatching that. I

(01:15:57):
mean, you know, when yougo back to that second episode I recorded,
I really I thought it was assault. I think it was to move
all that the hip. Yes,I feel like so I feel like most
shows would have thrown into sexual assault. Yeah I know. Yeah, So
hats off to them for not fornot cheating it by throwing that in there.

(01:16:18):
You know, it's just it was. It's really smart and clever.
I just I really hope they geta season three. I mean, so
many people complained about season two.I still thought season two was really smart.

(01:16:39):
I don't think it was just thesmartest season one, but still anoyable.
Like, yeah, I still thinkit's one of the smartest in dramas
on TV by far. It's Ithink it's one of the most intelligent shows
on TV. I mean, Ithink it's it's overall really intelligent writing and

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you know, and you know,like, I mean, god, there's
that one episode in season two thatI completely ragged on. Yeah, the
Luke's birthday party. Oh man,so I will rag on something like crazy
when when I think I deserved Yeah, for sure, But yeah, no,

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it's just I I love this show, and I just you know,
it's an anthology, so you don'tknow what to expact. But I just
think both seasons have been really wellwritten. Mm hmmm, so we only
have one episode left. I know, I can't believe that. Yeah,
I mean, I would like todo once we finish with this season.

(01:17:48):
I would like to eventually do youknow, a few hiatus episodes. I
say hiatus because I'm hoping that there'sgonna be a season three, but you
know, I'm thinking we'll probably putthat on our Patreon. Yeah. I
have a lot of ideas for CruelSummer. I'm actually just gonna read off

(01:18:12):
some of my ideas and y'all tellme if you like this. Okay,
wait, let me let me pullit up. Two thousands electronics, panic
fashion of the nineties, and twothousands uh bringing on a psychologist to breaking
to break down our characters mental illnesses, and characters from seasons one and two.

(01:18:33):
Doing a special of the portrayal ofgrooming across media. Do we've already
talked about friendship and obsession of CruelSummer because that's a common theme. Why
did parents and teen drama suck?Evolution of ABC Family to Freeform and the
teen drama and I have a fewother ideas, but that's just a few.

(01:18:54):
If any of those stand out toyou, like honestly, like tell
me if you like them, thatwould helps so much. These are all
such like fascinating topics and I reallywant to delve into them. I think
that they probably will be Patreon content. I would like to discuss why show
is set in the nineties are soafraid to give the female characters skinny eyebrows.

(01:19:23):
You know, Okay, I'll tellyou. I bet I can tell
you why from if we brought ona makeup artist, I bet they could
tell you. And it's because ifthey plucked all of an actor's like eyebrow
hair out, it would potentially notgrow back, and those actors would be

(01:19:43):
so pissed. And also, likethe alternative is that they'd have to like
take something, Yeah, they'd haveto like take something on top of their
eyebrows, make it look skin tone, and then make skinny eyebrow on top
of it, and the application wouldprobably take like hours. As much as

(01:20:06):
I would like love to see it, you know, it's just not like
the free Form way, gotcha?That's my hot take. If you're a
makeup artist and you know better thanI do, please let me know.
Gotcha. Yeah, that's just theone thing that has bugged me so much.
And like, where are all thegoddamn skinny eyebrows? I know,

(01:20:30):
I agree, I agree, peopleneed like a pencil line. Yeah,
like I mean, I like assomebody who doesn't have eyebrows, who practically
has to draw them on because Iwasn't. Like I mean, I like
the very very little body hair thatI was born with is blonde for some
reason, I was blonde until Iwas like eight. Man, the hair

(01:20:55):
on my head got darker, butthe rest of it didn't. Hilarious,
and I just like I have Ihave almost I have like very little body
hair, like I just it's greatbecause I you know, I hardly ever
have to shave my legs. ButI just saw me like I have to

(01:21:15):
color my eyebrows in because if yousaw me without coloring my eyeb resin,
it looks like I have no eyebrows. So I me eyebrow. Look.
I shaved off my eyebrow on accidentwhen I was in the third grade.
Oh no, I completely shaved itoff. Luckily I had bangs so my

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parents didn't know for months. Andthen one time my hair was all disheveled
and my dad came in as Iwas waking up, and he said to
my mom, He's like, didyou know Pamela like doesn't have an eyebrow,
and you know what, like Ihave some product in it. Now

(01:22:00):
I'm pretty sure it was this eyebrow. These they're they look okay, they
look okay right now. But theyare sister. They are they are sisters,
not twins, you know, Likeluckily my eyebrow did grow back.
But it's you know, they're alittle you I mean, one's here and

(01:22:27):
one's they're a little they're a littlemessed up. They're a little fucked up.
You know. I have a Ihave like a big bag of I
have a big bag of banana hairI'm saving, so you know, maybe
maybe I should try like making littleeyebrow. She pays clarified. Banana is
her husky. It's not hairs frombananas. In case anyone's wondering, Yeah,

(01:22:55):
I don't. I don't eat Harrybananas. I don't know where you
would find Harry bananas. But yeah, I've never seen a Harry banana.
It almost kind of sounds like aeuphemism for something else. That's what I
was about to say, Kelly,please, that sounds really gross. Now
I don't want to put that onmy eyebrows. No, no, I'd

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