A Smashing Good Time

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It's time for the annual Skyland GardenClub party. Year after year after year,
the residence of Skyland struggle with thetruth around what happened to Kate,
keeping their secrets buried and maintaining appearances. You are with Cruel Summer Camp.

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Hey, what's up? Happy Friday? It's Friday. It's Friday. It's
Friday Friday when we're recording. Buthappy the third day of the week when
yeah, it'll this'll go up ontomorrow. So happy Saturday. That's what
I meant to say. Yeah,I uh god. I it's funny because

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I don't have a nine to five, but I just like, I love
the weekends because I don't feel likeI'm behind nun shit, because nobody's working
on the weekends. I could justyou know, chill out and well,
I can't enjoy the pool this weekendbecause it's gonna be cold. But how's

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your week bend, Pamela. It'sbeen good. It's been good. I'm,
you know, just gearing up toput a lot of work into the
podcast. My comedy show is gettingready for our next performance September twenty nine.
If you're in Los Angeles, youshould definitely come and if you want

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to check us out, We're atgoat show Goat as in like go you
know show La on Instagram. Giveus a follow. I produce and hosts
that. So I would love tosee you guys come to the show if
if I don't know if anyone wholistens is in the Los Angeles area,

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but I don't know either so much. Yeah, but if anyone's in the
Chicago area and plans on going outto LA anytime soon, it wants to
stick me in your suitcase, I'llbe there. Yeah. The dream is
that Kelly and I someday go ontour and do live live episodes and we

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can have like a little imagine ifwe had like a little projector and I
have like a little laser pointer.And I'm like, and I'm going through
the reasons that that polar Bear likereally was the Murderer season two and I'm
like, and look at this inzip it dam like I would love to
do so one day, will bereunited or united? We've never been reunit.

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There hasn't been a union to bereunited, So yeah to united,
yeah exactly exactly. You know.It's it's so funny though, because that's
just kind of. That's just kindof how it is. I feel like
most of the podcast that I listenedto and the YouTube duos that I watch,

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like, I feel like I feellike most of them have never even
met in person. WHOA, that'swild. Yeah. Yeah, from like
I mean, from the ones thatI know of for sure, it's you
know, it's like I listened toto several where you know, they're in
different countries and it's like wow.Yeah. So before we get started,

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just some news for you guys.The Daryl Dixon podcast is officially on Spotify
so and all the other all basicallyall podcast platforms except for Apple because that
takes a little that takes a coupleof days to it's Apple slow, so,

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but it'll be up there shortly.But for now, it's on Spotify
and everywhere else. I just recordedit. I just recorded an intro.
But I may be putting some uhI maybe putting some creating some content for
that before the show even starts,just because like, I have such a
long long history with this show.I mean, until Yellow Jackets came around,

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it was my favorite show. SoI'm so, yeah, what say
the name of the podcast for forfolks who want to subscribe. Yeah,
it's the it's the Darryl Dixon Podcast. Oh yeah, yeah, it's just
the Yeah. I nobody else hadthe Darryl Dixon Podcast, so I inde

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we could have just kept going.He Darryl who says Darryl camp be a
queen. Oh my god, DarrylQueen's like dairy queen. It's the dairy
queen logo with a swish but likehis head and a crown on top.
Yes, Oh my god, that'sgotta that's gotta be a T shirt.

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I think. Well, the comedyspinoff of the Darryl spinoff podcast will be
Darryl Queens. Yeah exactly, butthat one. I'm mostly joking, but
you know, only like eighty percentjoking, so you never know. Yeah,

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totally. Also, if we don'thave enough new shows, Pamela and
I are starting a little something newand you'll just have to stay tuned for
and find out what that is.I don't want to say much too much
about it yet until the first episode'sup, but it's very different. It's

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not we're not covering show or doingsomething something else, entirely shorter form and
a lot of fun. So I'llgive you a hint. It has to
do with assholes. Figure that oneout. Yeah, yes, it has
to do with assholes. And Imay or may not, I may or

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may not buy a gattle. It'sso funny you say that because I actually,
okay, I'm sorry, we're atthis six minute marker. I'm just
gonna go on a side tangent forjust like one minute. Okay, yeah,
I you speech and debate in highschool. My dad was a judge

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slash my chaperone. Like it hita point where I love doing speech and
debates so much that I would gowithout my school and my dad and I
would register as my high school,which like no one really questioned, you
know, and so for one ofone of his birthdays, you know,
he'd have to like judge all theselike high school debate tournaments. My dad's

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a lawyer, and like he alsodid speech and debate in high school,
so you know he does enjoy itenough, but you know, so but
all like my high school friends whodid speech inbate like loved my dad.
You know, he was like justhe'd judge them, not like give him
any extra credit or whatever. Prettymuch like I gave my dad a gavel

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that I got like engraved for hisbirthday when he was at one of the
debate tournaments and it was like bestdad and judge, you know, debate
coach and dad I or something likethat. So you know, maybe I'll
just be like, hey, Dad, I need that back then I can
be best dad slash debate coach.Ever. Yes, nice, I love

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it. I love it. Andwe're also recording the Yellow Gets long Form
season two finale episode this weekend,so that will be posted very soon.
Yeah, so lots of stuff happeningand h Block queens. We're recording our

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first episode on Wednesday, so lookfor that next week too. So much
happening, guys. I like,I don't know what I'm gonna do with
myself. It's crazy for ours Cybergqueen cycle. Yeah, yeah, pretty
much. Well let's let's get intoit. So overall, Like, what

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did you think about this episode?I love it. I like, you
know, it's kind of funny becauseI was not like madly in love with
this show the first time I watchedit season one, but like this time
or watching it, like when Iwould talk to people and you know,

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they would say, like, oh, Cruel Summer is my favorite show I'm
like, I completely understand where they'recoming from. Like there's if you're watching
this for the first time, that'sawesome. I love that. Thanks for
joining us to do this, Butalso like watch it a second time because

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I think you'll really get a lotout of it and be able to catch
a lot of like easter eggs andkind of things that Like I think there
were things that did not make senseto me or like I was like,
well, why aren't why aren't weseeing this part of the story, And
now that I know what happens,like I understand why those choices are the

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way they are, you know,because I I pretty much my first first
time watching this show, I waslike, well, I really want to
see Kate like abduct did and kidnappedin this guy's basement, Like we only
get like it's always her alone orlike her crying or her like you know,
oh, she's given food and thenthat's it. I'm like, well,

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what about like everything else? Andonce you watch the whole show,
you kind of understand why we weren'tshown everything else. So I don't know,
I just like I appreciate this showeven more and I think it does
a really good job of writing.And we'll get into this a little later

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in the episode, but there's somelike really interesting layers of kind of like
you know, I mean the joyquote that you're named after today, where
it's like the creepy apple doesn't fault, the weird apple doesn't fall too far
from the creep tree. There's somethemes of kind of like you know,

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kind of history repeating itself with Jeanetteand Kate. I think, uh,
that are really interesting and can't waitto explore that. Yeah, yeah,
definitely, I have a lot ofthoughts on I have a lot of thoughts
on on Greg too. I coulddo a whole episode on Greg, I

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think, and we didn't really gettoo much into his This was a very
Kate centered episode. Yeah, wedidn't really get into into Greg's into Greg
too much in this episode, butI later on, Yeah, I think

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it's maybe like a single line ortwo whole episode. But yeah, I
do kind of feel like in keepingwith teen drama historically, you know,
I feel like the adult characters areusually like the least developed and the least
fleshed out, like across the board, ABC, Family, Freeform, like

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any any of those platforms really noteven like exclusively like this network, like
things on I'm trying to think of, like what like My so called Life
and like Seventh Heaven and all thoseother shows, Like I just feel like
the parents they give like the kidsjuicy stories and like more development, and
the parents, I feel like arevery like they're like always bad parents.

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They're always very flat and one dimensionaland they have no idea what their kids
are doing, and they just don'tact like real parents. I feel like
this show does a does a muchbetter job, especially with Kate's mom.
As much as like obviously we don'tlike her very much, I think they

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do a really good job with her. I love Rod, He's like one
of the best, maybe the bestman on Cruel Summer point blank. Yes,
yeah, absolutely, but absolutely yeah. No. Jeanette's parents I find
very curious, especially Cindy, andlike, I don't know, I'm I'm

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interested to uh to revisit them inthis second watch through. I think I
really think Greg and Sindy should getback together and Rod should divorce Joy and
Mary Angela. Yeah, I thinkwe need to recouple some of these folks.

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Yeah, that would be like,oh my god, that would be
such an amazing they would be suchan amazing couple. The Turners divorce was
just like very abrupt, and like, I that was another thing when my
first time watching this show, Ijust kind of like, I don't know,
I'd take a lot of issues withCindy. Cindy Debbi, the Debbi

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of last season for me, Yeah, like I'm about to get that woman
so hard. But yeah, likeyou said, they they do tend to
make the parents kind of one dimensional, but I feel like they did give
both Joy and Greg a lot oflayers, Like I feel like they're both

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more interesting than, yes, mostof the adult characters for sure. I
have some theories on Kate's relationship withher mother too that we'll talk about a
little later. Nice. Also,do you like my My Little like Burning
Hell? Janette Jeanette Turner look today? I love it. I absolutely love

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it. It's yeah, it's it'sso cute. It looked like you should
be on a stage. You're tellingsomeone around in Hell. I love it.
So this episode, the events allhappen on or a approximately around June

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twenty sixth, nineteen ninety three,ninety four, and ninety five, And
so we start in nineteen ninety three, Kate and her mom are getting ready
to go work out, and shegave Kate. Kate's thanking her for the

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gift, which is this this brightlike turquoise and purple leotard and what's weird?
And they're both They've both got leotard'son, and Kate's like, isn't
it a little bright? And uh? But like I swear to God,
I do not remember people wearing thesein the nineties. I feel like it

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was an eighties thing. Yeah,I was gonna say. I remember in
high school we would do like DecadesDay and the seniors were eighties and we
would have like a dance off betweenthe different grades, and I remember like
the you know, the senior girlswere like dressed like exactly like that and

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like the thong back. We wereall like, you know, like like
I can't believe like her mom boughther a leotard where it's like your butt
cheeks are out, you know,like obviously wearing like tights underneath it.
But even still I'm like, WHOA, I don't know. It's like I

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guess maybe like it's a little likeresidual thing from the past. And also
like I could see like your mombuying something that's kind of outdated for what
you're doing now, and she thinksit's hip, but that's because it's from
like forever ago. It's a littledated, it's like to her, but

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not to the actual time. Butyeah, I don't know. It is
kind of like weird because then wesee the class and like everyone is in
a similar outfit. Yeah, Iknow. It's yeah, that's so weird.
Like I feel like, I mean, from what I remember about the

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nineties, I feel like there wasthere was a lot of like the two
piece like Spandex Sports, bram Ammosand along with oh and then of course
there were you know, the guyswere Zuba's. But like I also remember

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I remember, like when I wasin high school, which I was in
high school during this time, Ididn't really participate in I had stopped I
had had to stop playing volleyball becauseI of my ankle. But I remember

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just a lot of the a lotof the girls because I had, for
I had friends that were in varioussports teams and cheerleaders, and like I
would often end up at the practiceslike waiting for them, and you know,
because we were like going somewhere afterwardsand I feel like I remember a
lot of the girls wearing wearing likeplaid knit shorts like she like, you

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know, almost that look like boxertype shorts, but but they were like
kind of that knit that like kindof like thin fleecy or flannel material,
you know what I mean. Ifeel like that was something really popular to
work out in. And then likethe two piece sets, I don't really

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like, I don't recall anybody everwearing leotards in the nineties. Yeah,
yeah, that was totally an eightiesthing. So it is interesting that Kate
asked her if she thinks it's toobright. I mean, like, I
think Joy is in like hot pink, like you know, she's not in
anon like highlighter yellow. She's ina blue that is like a really great

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color for Kate as well. Yeah, this comment had me thinking, though,
you know, I feel like mostof the nineteen ninety three timeline,
we see Kate in like a lotof dresses, a lot florals. They
are bright colors, like they're notdark colors, and we see her wardrobe

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progressively get darker through the time.By nineteen ninety five, she basically only
wears like black and gray, buteven in like nineteen ninety four, this
episode, she's still wearing those paststells, but it's just a little bit
more like relaxed clothing. It hadme thinking that, I think, especially
in the nineteen ninety three timeline,I feel like a lot of the clothing

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that Kate has was probably picked outby her mother or with her mother,
so we're not actually like knowing herthrough her clothes, you know, because
I feel like the job of oneof the costume designers is to think,
like, what clothes is realistic forthis time, and like where are these

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characters getting their clothes, and howare they keeping you know, how are
they keeping and storying their clothes?Like would they be wrinkled, et cetera.
And I feel like something if Iwas a costume designer on this show,
it'd be like, well, theseare choices made by Joy, not
Kate. So what would Joy pickout for her doll of a daughter?
You know, Yeah, yeah,no, totally, it's yeah. And

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I think that's kind of Kate startingto show some like some independence there,
you know, like just kind oflike I would never you know, she
said she was grateful for the gift, but she's like, you know,
it was obvious. I think shewas thinking, like, yeah, I
would not pick this out for myself, right, this isn't my style.

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This is you know, this istotally my mom's style. And I think
she was finally starting to resent thata little bit because she wanted to be
your own person, you know.But but yeah, Joy, she asked
if it's a little bright, andJoy tells her that she shines like a
diamond no matter what she wears,so she, uh so, yeah,

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she might as well, you know, embrace it. But so they we
then just like we then see areally now there there's like a there's kind

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of a and we'll revisit this,but there's kind of like a very quick
like blend of ninety three and ninetyfour, and here in between this and
the next scene where we see Katelike dancing in front of the car singing
zombie. I think it's ninety five. Actually, oh it's ninety five.

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You're right, I'm sorry, that'sninety four. Ninety five one am I
thinking, Okay, yeah, we'lltalk about that later. Yeah, okay,
So anyway, but yeah, sowe see we say they're at the
workout class and they're working out toBilly Rize Cirrus so funny, and they're

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doing stuff class. I love stepclass. By the way, those classes
are so hard, Like I can'tkeep up in those. I I stink
it at stuff like that. I'vedefinitely tried it, and then it's it's
rough for me. It's it's hardfor for a girl out here to be

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getting up on that little stepper.Which they're also bright colors too. The
ones I use in my gym arelike black and gray. These are like
also like bright cute colors. It'slike, good, Yeah, I'm really
making making the scene pop. Yeah, definitely. Now I actually have I
actually had a a step platform withrisers like at home. I mean I

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got it for therapy purposes because Ican do a lot of my therapy exercises
on it. But yeah, Iused to do the advanced step classes at
my gym. Like I just Ifreaking loved stuff. So embarrassing, but
I just absolutely loved it. Butyeah, she's like, it's it's so
cute. I Mean she sees Jeanetteand she and she waves at her because

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she's just like an absolutely angelic sweetheart, and and Jeanette just looks so awkward.
Like she sees that Kate sees her. She's just like she gets all
nervous. Yeah, she gets allnervous. Kid's like killing it in the
class. She's like keeping up,like not even breaking a sweat, you

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know what I mean. She's likedoing this easy peasy. Jeanette is struggling
so much and also like a lotof interesting like wardrobe choices. I feel
like in this scene because Jeanette isalso like everyone in this class is in
like super bright colors. Jeanette isin tied eye, which is honestly probably

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the most fitting outfit of this wholescene, like definitely, but she's like
not in like a workout like anexpensive, like nice workout outfit. She's
in like her old clothes, likeher hair is down. She's wearing like
too much jewelry and like bracelets andstuff. It's like, girl, are

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you wearing that where you're about tobe sweating and like you know, in
the words of as something Cindy wouldsay, is that cheap that cheap jewelry
is about to like make your yourrest in nectar and like blue you know.
So she's not just appropriately really forthe class, but like I love
the idea of like, you know, she is wearing these colors like symbolically,

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you know, she's wearing these colorsto fit in with everyone else,
but then in execution she sticks outlike a sore thumb. Yeah, yeah,
definitely, but I did go ahead, Oh sorry, go ahead.
Cindy's wearing like an oversized white teethlike just like you know, like,

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oh, this is like my youknow, sweat clothes. This is my
like workout clothes. It's not likea cute outfit, and it just I
feel like highlights how how different theyare slash like how they can't fit in
versus like everyone else. Yeah,I did really like, I did really

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like Jeanette shorts though those totally lookedlike something you know, so many people
would work out in in the ninetiesfor sure. Degree yeah, but uh
yeah, they they they're all they'releaving and uh and Cindy and Janette are

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kind of right behind them, andand uh Joy oh first Joy makes the
comment that, like, you know, she has to stay in shape for
for Rod or he's going to endup like with one of his one of
his fans. Like, what anawful thing to tell your daughter. I

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know, I know, but yeah, and and then you know, and
then god forbid they would they wouldbe back to thrifting and uh yeah,
God forbid and buying generic like that'sthe end. We all be y'all,
you know, yeah, yeah forsure. So Cindy and Janette are right

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behind them, and Cindy such aweird thing, Like Cindy tells her she
loves her highlights, which I don'tknow, Like, I don't know if
you think that's weird. I thinkit's kind of a weird compliment. But
but she like asks her She's like, oh, is it you know this

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particular like yeah, she like rattlesoff a box number, which is funny
because I'm like, there's so many. Even in like the nineties, there
would have been so many like brand, you know, hair colors, Like
what you're like, oh, it'sloriall like route touch up number x Y
seven G year Like I'm like what, I guess, Like, I don't

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know, nineties like really was likea well, I don't know, I
guess people were still getting highlights inthe ninety these highlights. I kind of
think of it was more two thousandsthings specifically Yeah, yeah, I don't
know, kind of kind of strangecompliment, but I feel like, you
know that she's even giving one.She's just like reaching out to connect to
this woman who like wants no partsof her. Yeah, yeah for sure.

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But but yeah, of course,I mean, of course Joia doesn't
do her hair herself. She goesto the salon. I'd be like if
she, you'd have to have someserious skills to do your own highlights yourself,
because I've I've contemplated it, andI do not trust myself to doing.
Yeah, yeah, I would notdo my own highlights. There's no

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way I'll yeah, I'll call hermy own hair, but no, I
will not do my own highlights.No, you're gonna get some like like
Kelly Clarkson earlier, like because ofyou album art highlights. Oh god god,
oh oh yikes. But uh yeah, Cindi, Uh, Cindi suggests

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that they well, first, Katecompliments Jeanette's necklace and which was which was
really sweet after you know, afterCindy kind of knocked it and uh and

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like Jeanette's response was just like ohmy god, I just so awkward.
It's so funny, Like Kiara reallykills it on. Like also she sounds
like a little nasally. He I'mlike, maybe it's from the braces,
because I remember when I had braces, they were like, oh, well,
like you might eat differently and mightyou know, they affect you in

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kind of like surprising ways. SoI'm like, maybe maybe they kind of
would make you a little more naze. I don't know, someone tell me
if that's like real or if I'mtotally like fabricating something here. But I'm
like, maybe it's from the braces. But she's just like a little bit
more nasily, Like this is exaggerated, but it's like she's talking like from
her nose, you know what Imean. Yeah, my friend got it

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on my birthday day. That's mynineteen yet impersonation. And then in like
nineteen nineteen ninety four, she's like, hey, what's up. Yeah,
nineteen ninety five, It's like whatdo you want? She's like, what's
up? Fuck you, what's up? But but yeah, Kate is like

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super sweet again. Yeah yeah,I'm all, I'm totally all up Kate's
ass. Okay, because I kayKate. Kate was not perfect, like
she she did some weird shit thatshe probably should not have done in the
in this season, but she's asfar as I'm concerned, she can do

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no wrong. Yeah, she's basicallyperfect, Like she's a lot closer than
on the perfect scale. I feellike Rod is like the most perfect saint
man in the world. Definitely ongirl Summer, and then like a notch
away from perfection would be Kate.See, I would put Vincela Angela.

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Also, I put like, okay, Rod Angela, Vince Maybe no Ben
kind of does. I like Ben, but he makes some poor choices in
this episode, specifically in my opin. But you know, okay, so
maybe Ben. Ben can still bethere. It's fine, Ben can be

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there, and then we have Kate. Yeah, I would put Vince at
the tap honestly. Okay, he'sa really good friends. I just I
just love him so much. Yeah, Vincent, Vince and Kate are perfect.
Okay, they're just perfect. ButI think I even said that in

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the last in our last podcast description. But anyway, Cindy suggests a girl's
day and it's like that joy issuch a bit. She's like, I
don't know, we have so manyplans this summer, like so so whip

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out your planner? Yea, everyevery single day's booked, like and uh,
you're completely booked for three months,yes, and Kate just like cuts
her off. She's like a girl'sday sounds great, yeah, and uh
yeah. And then they go ourseparate ways, and Joys like we are

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not calling them, and she's likejust trying to be nice, like you
know, she could learn a fewthings from Kate. But so you know,
they're later on their home. Thisis so fucking weird. So Kate,

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Rod's on the phone. Kate comesdown the stairs, and here's a
conversation that makes her think that Rodis cheating on Joy. And why would
she not think that? Because whothe hell tells their travel agent? I

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can't remember the last time we hadsex? Like what an over share?
Truly, like if if Joy hadn'tcut off Kate later on at the garden
party scene, like if she hadonly known that he said that to a
travel agent, especially like her beinglike the like, you know, reputation

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of the family, like Steve Chambersness of it all. Oh, that's
who Joy needs to marry Steve Chambers. They deserve those, they are soulmates.
That's the crossover that we need mostof all. Actually, that and
Debbie and Mallory's mom gain together tosmoke some weeds. Yeah, yeah,

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I'm gonna write some crossover Cruel Summerfan fiction and make it all happen awesome.
Mallory's mom and Debbie just smoke afat doobie and talk about their chaotic
daughters and they get yeah, andJoy, Joy leaves Rod and and Mary

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Steve Chambers, and then Greg andCindy get back together, and and Rod
Mary's angela, Yeah her nat justI'll re re reship them, you know.
Yeah, Yeah, such a weirdconversation. Like if Joy had heard

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like, well, your husband onthe phone said he can't remember the last
time you had sex, you wouldbe so upset. I would think it's
weird. It's so weird. Whywould you got to a travel agent And
she's just like, oh m hmm, okay, well hopefully. I think

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her response was it's gonna be great, like you was opid. Yeah,
this is so weird. So yeah, that was that was you know,
Churl Summer. It's such a smartshow, but they occasionally have like they
occasionally have moments that are just supercontrived, and this was definitely one of
them. But so yeah, soKate like had every reason to think that

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he was cheating on her, becausewhy would you hear someone something like that
and not think that, like,oh, it's just my dad over sharing
his sex life with people he's hiringto work for him. Yeah, so
fucking weird. But so, Kateand Joy are are getting ready to leave

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for an event, and Kate askswhy Rod's not joining them, and she
says he's got it. He's he'spracticing his ribbon cody, but he won't
be late to the garden party.And Kate asks her about Candice Johnson,

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the travel agent, and Joy mentionsthat you know, she used to have
a crush on Rod, and KateKate tells her she doesn't, she doesn't
really trust her, and she's like, I think she might still have feelings

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for Dad, and she's like,yeah, her in the whole damn town.
And she also mentions that that Cindy, that Cindy Turner was She thinks
that Cindy Turner was at one pointgetting ready to leave Greg for her,
for him, I mean for Rod. So I don't know what was going

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on there. Do you think thatthat was a complete exaggeration by Joy or
do you think there's any validity tothat I don't know, like because I
why would she leave Greg unless theywere actually together and having a having an
affair, you know what I mean? Right? Oh yeah, I know,
it's just insane to like leave aman for a whim. But also

(37:59):
Cindy is kind of like a strangecharacter, you know. I mean,
she she basically leaves her family,like I mean, it's different, Like
the circumstances are definitely different, right, all, like the nineteen ninety five
Ginette stuff happening, like it's toomuch for her and that's a completely different
scenario than this like hypothetical one.But like Cindy is kind of like an

(38:22):
odd ball like that, you know. Yeah, yeah, I think she
Like you know, I think Cindyprobably got married too soon and just gave
up a lot of her her dreamsand like kind of resents that now,

(38:50):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah,Like I it makes me wonder, you
know. I you almost seems likelike a situation where, you know,
maybe like maybe she and Greg weredating and she got pregnant and they weren't
married, and then they decided toget married because she was pregnant. I

(39:13):
mean, it might have been oneof those types of situations you know,
yeah, I mean they they bothseem pretty young. But but yeah,
yeah, I don't know, it'sshe is that she is an interesting character.
She's she's definitely I want to talkabout this quote of Joys because this

(39:36):
is what I've really been like fixatedon recently. She says, I see
Cindy just kind of staring at melike she wants to be me. That
whole Turner family is just so desperate. Okay, So, like my first
time watching this, I didn't reallybat an eye at this. It seems
like joy being very self involved andlike judgment here. But like I'm rewatching

(40:04):
this, like noticing the way Cindydoes act like desperate, you know what
I mean, she does want tobe friends with these people. Like all
the comments she makes towards Jeanette arevery like pointed at making her popular and
like, you know, getting herto be this person in society high school,
but like great, you know,I mean just like the community in

(40:27):
general. So like I'm kind ofwondering, like do you think she has
like an intuition about them here?And she's right, like what do you
think is going on? I don'tknow, because I mean, you know,
it's because Derek is around the familya lot because he's close with I'm

(40:50):
forgetting her name now, I didn'tactually and actually I said her name,
yeah, like, yeah, Derekis you know later ends up hooking up
with her. But Derek, youknow, Derek is close with Ashley,
and so he's around the family alot. So like we don't really see

(41:12):
her ever interact with Derek or likesay anything about Derek or anything. But
you know, it's of course Ashleyis also not her daughter though, right,
but but yeah, it's I mean, I don't know, it's it's

(41:35):
weird, yeah, it I dothink that I do think that she has
some kind of intuition that something's off. I agree, I feel like Joy
Joy is right, like and it'seasy to dismiss her here because of who
she is, but I think shedoes have kind of like an intuition about

(41:58):
this. I also like that makesme very curious of like I wonder what,
you know, Joy and Cindy werelike in high school, Like if
they did go to high school together, which I kind of feel like they
might have, Like I wonder whattheir dynamic was, Like I wonder if
Cindy was also like a little littlecreeper. Well she doesn't, she say

(42:23):
she was like popular. Yeah,actually they did go to high school.
And Cindy actually explains that they werefriends. Oh that okay, Yeah,
they were good friends and like shesaid, Joy was actually really awkward back

(42:43):
then, and like Joy would justkind of follow her around like a puppy
dog, and so it was kindof like a like a reverse situation,
you know. But now like butnow you know Joy's Joy is wealthy,

(43:05):
and I don't know if she thinkslike she's too good for Cindy now or
if or if they lost touch,and like Cindy's just trying to get back
in her good graces because you know, she wants to she wants to mingle
with high society. Like I don'tknow what, you know, I don't
know who who changed or what happenedthere, but but yeah, it is

(43:29):
it's definitely interesting. I mean it'sif they like clearly they clearly they lost
touch, Like they're not still friendsfrom high school. So I mean,
if I were Joy, I wouldprobably be a little put off by Like,
okay, so we fell out,we weren't. We haven't been friends

(43:52):
for a long time. I marryinto money and suddenly you're all over You're
like, all are my acts?Agreed? Agreed, She's justified there,
But it I really like this kindof you bringing that up, Like there
is definitely this theme, and Katekind of addresses it like, am I

(44:13):
gonna turn out just like you oflike the daughter becoming the mother and like
history kind of like cycling and repeatingitself, like you know, Joy and
Cindy having this kind of role reversaland then each of them kind of envying
each other at different points in theirlives and then that's basically what happens with

(44:37):
Janette and Kate as well, butlike obviously Wayne more extreme. It's it's
just interesting. I feel like it'sit's very clever, and I don't know,
I'm keeping an eye out for morelike mother daughter themes here because I
feel like I know there's going tobe more coming up. You know,

(44:57):
there's more to explore with like Janetteher relationship with Cindy and Kate and Kate
Enjoy's relationship and both of those likeseparate mother daughter relationships really instigate a lot
of what ends up happening. Yeah, yeah, definitely, you know it

(45:21):
kind of makes it kind of makesme wonder like Rod must have just had
a really heavy, heavy influence onKate, because like, how did she
end up so sweet? You know, we're like and and and how did
she end up becoming friends with Reneeand O'Neil. Because if you look at

(45:43):
Jamie, if you like take awayall of the bad behavior that we've seen
from him, he actually he comesacross as as a sweet kid. Yeah,
like he never picked on Jeanette.He was nice to her, you
know, like, you know,we later find out that he's he's an

(46:07):
asshole, but I mean on thesurface, on the surface, he seems
like a sweet kid. So likeI could see her dating him, But
like, how did she how didshe end up becoming friends with Renee and
Neil? Who are That has notbeen sense to me, And like they're
just not they're not good friends pointblank. Like I don't think they're very

(46:30):
good friends with Jeanette. I feellike when they are buddies in nineteen ninety
four, I think they just kindof are there to like be warm bodies
with each other. And then likeI'm just really like I feel like those
two were friends and like co optedKate, and maybe they're also maybe they

(46:52):
were friends with Jamie and then Katewhen she started dating him, like came
along with them. I could alsosee it being like Joy is friends with
their moms and then this is kindof who like Joy coopted like Kate into
becoming friends with It is just Ireally don't understand how they're friends on,

(47:16):
like, how did Kate turn outto be so sweet? Okay, my
theory, my psychological analysis of thisrelationship between Joy and Kate. I think
that Kate is has like no boundarieswith her mom. Like allah, that

(47:36):
ear piercing scene. I mean that'slike painful and not okay and not sanitary.
But also like I just think thatJoy tries to control so much in
Kate's life, and you know,there was a time where it was just
them and I don't know how muchKate remembers that, but I feel like

(47:58):
just based on the eyelog of hermaking all these inappropriate comments that she shouldn't
tell her daughter, like saying BillyRay Cyrus kind of turns her on.
Is like Okay, well that's alittle maybe like tmi mom, And then
she talks about though her stepfather mightjust leave their family for a fan and

(48:22):
like this paranoia about like keeping yourbody like sexy for your man because otherwise
he might leave at the drop ofa hat. It's like so unhealthy for
you to be like menting to yourchild like this. So I think that
Kate and her mother have a toxicrelationship, but specifically I think they don't

(48:45):
have boundaries, and that she's amesh to her mother, and so like
Joy loves Kate because Kate is likeher little mini me and like her buddy.
You know, she's like her littlecall. She gets to like dress
up up and act and do likejust as she says. And a lot
of people that are in like enmeshedrelationships are people pleasers and they just want

(49:09):
to make that person happy, andespecially with her being a child, like
all you know is that this isyour mom, and like you, you
want them to love you, soyou're not really gonna like I think later
on, you know, through trauma, she ends up kind of seeing this
and removing herself from that relationship,and I think that's where a lot of

(49:30):
their friction comes from. But Ithink that, yeah, they have an
enmeshed relationship. It makes Kate apeople pleaser, and then it makes her
come off as you know, likea sweetheart. Yeah, that's where that's
where her niceness is coming from.Is just trying to trying to make her

(49:52):
mom happy, or really pretty muchanyone she meets like. She's very polite,
you know, she's she spend trainsbe like a very like sweetest honey
front face for the family. Yeah. Yeah, no, I I totally
agree. I totally agree. Andlike, when I was watching this episode,

(50:16):
I was kind of thinking the samething too, because it's their Their
relationship actually reminds me a lot ofmy my relationship with my mother, and
it was, I mean, ourrelationship was a bit different and and you
know, we didn't have money,but but but yeah, I just I

(50:40):
see a lot of similarities. AndI was thinking about that when I was
watching it, and I was likea lot of a lot of the the
positive traits that I that I possesspersonally are because of the relationship that I
had with my mother. And it'snot necessarily coming from a good place,

(51:04):
right, It's not like I'm justif I grew up in a different environment.
I'm I'm may be a total bitch, I may be like suspicious of
people, I may be really edgy, but I'm not. I mean,
I've definitely you know, I definitelyhave more of a backbone, and I'm
not as much of a people pleaser, but I still am to a certain
extent because of the relationship that Ihad with my mother, and because like

(51:30):
that was the most important thing.Like I was programmed that I had to
be like just perfect, yeah toeverybody, Like I had to like just
be a the perfect angel of achild, you know, and uh and

(51:50):
that's what I got, like,you know, that's what I got rewarded
for. So yeah, and Imean that's I feel like that's a very
common since Mary, especially like whenyou're a child, you know, it's
like your family. You want tomake your family happy. Yeah. I
think the show did a really goodjob of flashing out their relationship and making

(52:13):
a relationship that's like very relatable.I feel like a lot of mother daughter
relationships kind of like end up inthis place. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
I agree. But but yeah,so it's it's funny because she says,
like she tells Kate, you know, the weird apple doesn't fall fire

(52:36):
from the creep tree, and Kate'sresponse is just like, does that mean
I'll be just like you and Igrow up. Yeah, it's so funny
like that she says that right afterthat line, Like, I know,
it's not what she meant, butit was almost like she was comparing them
to the weird apple in the creepTree. Yeah, which is kind of

(53:00):
funny, but but yeah, butyeah, it's she tells. She tells
Kate that you know, he wasRod was the super hot commodity obviously,
and you know she just he tookone look at her and her her adorable

(53:20):
little girl and and fell in loveand you know, but uh, but
she seems pretty pretty secure in theirrelationship. But they leave for the party
and they she she waves high toScott Jones, who, like the camera

(53:42):
pans over and and decides that,you know, it's important that we see
that Scott Jones Owes owns a lampscapingcompany. Again, with these these fucking
camera focuses on weird I don't knowwhy it was so important that we did
some more of these episode They havelike a focus on a champagne bottle that
I've watched this episode like three timesnow and I'm like, why did you

(54:07):
do that? Yeah, yeah,we cannot trust these cruel Summer camera focuses.
We know, the dps just wantto have a little bit of fun.
They're just trying to make some interestingcamera angles. You can't trust.
Don't trust the DPS on Cruel Summer. They're just fun with the camera.
It doesn't mean anything. Yeah,we've we've learned our lesson. I mean,

(54:30):
at least with with the Scott Jonesone, it's like at least you
know, it's establishing who he is. You know, yeah, that's true,
but it was it was still kindof weird. I don't know,
but they're you know, they're allat the party and he's talking to his
friends about about about football, andthey're Ben is like Ben is working the

(55:00):
party, and and Hank Hank,the guy in the cowboy hat. It's
like he offers Ben offers him abeard in a glass and he's like,
what did he say, like oneof my the Queen of England or something.
Yeah, you means like, hey, yeah, like just give me
the cancn and uh yeah. Andthey, you know, they're talking about

(55:27):
Ben being such a great quarterback andyou know they think that he could go
to the pros. And then wesee Martin Harris at the party and he's
kind of like just staring at Kate. Yeah this is his first time seeing

(55:49):
Kate, right, I think,so, yeah too, Okay, and
then he he walks over and introduceshimself to Rod and tells him he was
a big fan and used to wearhis jersey all the time in high school.
Okay, on our watch party,which everyone should come to Tuesday nights,

(56:13):
seven pm Pacific time. I said, I didn't think this was genuine.
I changed my mind. Yeah,rewatching this scene, he genuinely seems
like pretty nervous and like excited totalk to Rod, So I kind of
think this is true. Also,like you know, there wasn't like my

(56:37):
Space yet, so it's not likehe had time to like look up Kate
and see that like this is herstepfather and stuff like that. Like he
just dog Kate. He hasn't doneresearch on the family, you know,
he hasn't gotten all of his littlepedophile ducks in a row. He doesn't

(56:58):
know that they're necessarily like real relatedto each other. So I think he
really is a fan of Rod.Yeah yeah, I mean, especially you
know, they're they're different races,so it's like it's not like I mean,
he doesn't know that Kate's birth fatherisn't around, you know, like
so, I mean most people wouldnot just automatically assume that Kate's Rod's daughter,

(57:21):
you know exactly. But but yeah, you know, Rod's very friendly
and welcomes him to town, anduh we we then we we see,
uh we see Jannette and Mallory andVince in a convenience store and they're looking

(57:47):
to buy some some water balloons.They're talking about their like whisper screaming,
you know what I mean, whatare we gonna do to make the water
balloons? It's gonna be so funny. It was that that scene cracks me
up because I feel like me andlike my little posse of like best girlfriends

(58:10):
back in the day, Like wewould sound just like this when we like
up to no good, but likenot even not even as scandalous is throwing,
you know, shaving cream balloons atpeople. We would just like,
you know, be having a goodtime at the library being like ha,

(58:31):
you know, like oh yeah,you like we've gotten kicked out of library
a few times. Oh yeah,oh my gosh. The most fun like
shushing I feel like I've gotten wasnot too long ago. I got shushed
on an airplane and I was like, really, it wasn't like a night

(58:52):
flight either, it was like afternoon. But you know, I'm just energetic
and full of girlish, gleeful delight. Oh my gosh, I don't like
that. And yeah, yeah,we've learned lots of people don't like that.
For some reason. Yeah, forsome reason, people just want to

(59:15):
hear us crying on this podcast.Yeah, maybe we'll do a special episode
for them sometime where we just yeah, we'll do the whole way through it.
We'll do some shadow work journal promptsand get that about life, and
then we'll go a lot. Wellwe're all black. Yeah, I'll bust
out my Megan Landry hair gel.Yeah yeah I will. I will wear

(59:40):
like three layers of black eyeliner.Perfect what they want, Kelly, you
know, yeah, yeah, definitely. But yeah, so they we see

(01:00:02):
Ben who's like buying something at thestore. No, he was just at
the party. So did he likego to get Yeah. I feel like
they probably ran out of something andhe was just like running up to the
store to grab thing. I don'tknow. Yeah, is they're basically like
working caterine slash like waiter stuff.So yeah, well he it's funny because

(01:00:28):
he uh, he sees them andhe's like, you guys go to go
to my school, right, andthey're like, yeah, we're great,
blow you. And he tells themthat that shaven cream would be a lot
more fun. That's a great suggestion. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Did

(01:00:49):
you ever do anything like that?Did you ever, like I know we
talked you put weird things on yourfriend's laws, Yeah, in any houses
or like vandalize anything. Kelly,Okay, this is gonna say gonna sounds

(01:01:10):
so this is so so stupid.But so my high school best friend and
I you know, sometimes we'd getbored and there was nothing to do,
and and like, looking back,there are so many problems with it beyond

(01:01:31):
like I mean, and the vandalismpart wasn't even bad because it was just
easily like it was just like takenoff. But it was so wasteful.
We would we we had to comeup with a code word for it because
in case we talked about it,we had to like we called it dapping,

(01:01:55):
and we called it dapping because dapis pad spelled backwards. Oh god,
what were you doing with pads?We would just we'd like buy a
big thing of Maxi pads and juststicking on people's houses because that's pretty funny.

(01:02:17):
I might do that now. Well, there were like these statues,
there are these statues that like,I actually don't. I live fairly close
to where where I grew up,and there are these statues like about a
mile from here, and we wouldgo and put Maxi pads on the crotches.

(01:02:40):
It was the stupidest thing ever,so funny, and we would just
like put Maxi pads in weird places. That's so funny. Yeah. I
thought about t teing and egging peoplehouses specifically like my friends in like high

(01:03:05):
school and middle school, like theirex boyfriends houses. Like we talked about
doing that for a long time,and then we never I'm pretty sure we
never did. I was more oflike a prank call person. I was
like notorious for like me and mybest childhood friend, we'd like get together
do what it was at like Starsixty nine or whatever. So it's anonymous,

(01:03:29):
and I just do like any phonenumber I could possibly remember. At
one point, I called my aunt'soffice and I like why, and I
my best friend was the one totalk and we just say like goofy things,
you know what I mean? Wewere like, hey, is this

(01:03:50):
truck? And it wasn't my auntthat answered the phone, because like that
would have been okay, Like actuallyI would prank my aunt, but not
in like a mean way. Itwas more like like you know, I
don't know. Actually I look backon it now and I was like,
who let me do all this?I was like, my god, I'd
been calling my aunt but a mananswers the phone. It's my aunt's boss

(01:04:12):
and so. But we still wentthrough with it. And so I was
like his name is Chuck, andso like I don't know what the rest
of what Amanda said, but shewas like, hello, is this Chuck.
He was like yes, and shewas like, oh well, they're
like what. We didn't even haveanything good, Like we weren't insulting people.

(01:04:33):
We'd just be like you Repeatza deliverieson the way, looky stuff.
Oh my god. Yeah. Itdid a lot of pray calling, but

(01:04:53):
there there was, oh my god, there was one where it just went
a little bit too far. Likemy friend Elena and I would just call
random numbers and like somebody would answer. And I never liked to do it,
like I I never felt comfortable doingit, so I just let her

(01:05:15):
do it while I just saturn laughed, and someone would answer and she would
be like, hey, how areyou And they'd be like, who's this
and she'd be like yes, andthey've they've usually hang up fairly quickly,
but she ended up having a conversationwith somebody once for like forty minutes.

(01:05:39):
Whoa who did they think she was? I don't remember? That's crazy.
They were asking her about her pregnancy. Oh my god, that's so funny.
Now that's an improv act be size. Yeah, yeah, Oh my
god, would have been great atthat. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

(01:06:03):
And I'm sorry, Like I knowwe're talking, we're spending a lot
of time on this, but Ijust have to share one really funny story
because this is pretty funny and somean, and we still always talk it.
We still always talk about it tothis day. So my friend Stephanie,
who I'm still friends with, like, we actually met when I was

(01:06:25):
in I think seventh grade. Wemet at a new Kids on the Block
concert. Oh love that, Yeah, Kids on the Block and we're and
we're still we're still good friends.And she has she has a younger sister
named Sherry, and Sherry was verySherry was a little kid at the time,

(01:06:50):
and I had, like, Ihad this video. There was this
this VHS tape back then. Itwas a New Kids on the Block VHS
tape and it was kind of likea documentary. And we told Sherry that

(01:07:10):
we were going to be hanged,that we got to meet. We won
some contest and we were going tomeet and hang out with the new kids,
and she was freaking out. Andwe ended up like we sat there
and we turned on the documentary andwe sat there and recorded like bits and
pieces from the documentary. Oh mygosh, and we called her, We

(01:07:32):
like spliced it together, and wecalled her and we're like like, yeah,
do you want to talk to them? Oh my god, that's so
funny. We were playing the tapeand she totally thought she was talking to
the new kids. It's so funny. Yeah, she was really good.

(01:07:56):
Yeah, but I'm sorry now,oh yeah she was. She was.
She was heartbroken. I was didn'tsay you might. You should have just
let her live in her blissful ignoranceof thinking she really did talk to new
click Kids on the Block, right, I don't remember if we told her

(01:08:18):
or if she found out some letthe girl dream, you know, I
know, I know that's pretty funnyone but yeah. But anyway, so
they're so like Vincent and Jeanette Mallorythink the shaving cream is just an awesome
idea, Willian Yeah, and they'reso excited about it now. Yeah.

(01:08:45):
And so then we go back tothe party and Kate is talking to a
couple of ladies who are just likekind of gushing over Jamie and yeah and
like, oh, I bet youtoo will be prom king and queen,
and Kate's not really paying attention becauseshe's watching Rod go into the house with

(01:09:11):
Candice and she u She's like,yeah, I yeah, this isn't good.
So she immediately goes over and findsher mother and that she you know,
they're the women during this time arelike gushing over over how cute Martin

(01:09:33):
is. But she goes and findsher mom and she tells her that she
heard she heard her dad on thephone with Candice Johnson and they're having an
affair mhm, and really bad timingher bringing this up at a party,

(01:09:55):
like I know, hypothetically, shethinks they're like running in the other room
to like go hook up. Butlike, just if I was Kate,
I would not approach my mom withlike heartbreaking information in a very social setting,
especially with Joy being the type ofperson she is. Yeah, yeah,

(01:10:17):
for sure. Not a great idea. She I mean, if she
wanted, if she felt like sheneeded to catch them in the act,
she should have went and found acamera exactly, or or just like you
know, or she could have aseason two you know, like get that

(01:10:40):
camera out, start recording. Yeah. Yeah, she could have gotten a
camera, or she could have said, Mom, I need you to come
with me. Right. She triedto do, but you know, not
really it's kind of hard to pullJoy away. Yeah, that's right.
She did try to. She didtry to bring her in. Joy is

(01:11:00):
Yeah, Joy is not happy,and she just kind of like she laughs
it off and basically just treats Katelike she's being completely ridiculous. Yeah,
and Kate, Yeah, Kate kindof. Kate goes inside, and you

(01:11:30):
know, Joy's just like Joy basicallyaccuses her lying her her lying. Kate
goes inside and she you know,here's here's them laughing and talking, and
she goes in and she uh,like they see her and they were met,

(01:11:51):
and Rod's like immediately like like,hey, sweetheart, come on,
come on over here. I gottashow you something. Well, if anything
was happening, you definitely wouldn't backin your daughter in to go hang out.
So yeah, it's like innocent rightoff the bat, right, yeah.

(01:12:13):
And he explains that he's been planning. He introduces Candice and he you
know, mentions that she's their travelagent, and he says that he's planning
a surprise cruise for him and Joy, and you know, he's like,
do you think she'll love it?And she'll like, yeah, yeah,

(01:12:34):
I think she'll love it. Andyou know, so Kate's kind of Kate's
kind of kind kind of got eggon her face. Sure, for sure.
She immediately goes outside to apologize toher mother, and she said that

(01:12:54):
she is just her behavior is reallyunflattering and embarrassing and tells her to leave
because she doesn't want to talk toher right now. Yeah, I do
not wish to speak to you inthis moment, right and she says she
could ruin the family. Yeah yeah, yeah, boy oh man. Yeah,

(01:13:18):
lots lots of thoughts on on thatstatement. Also, it seems like
kids like the only attendee who's actuallyin high school here. Yeah, yeah,
I mean other than the ones whoare working the party. It's yeah,

(01:13:38):
like I think even I think evenTucker's work in the party, Hank
and his wife's son, Like,and well, Jamie's there some party.
Yeah, wasn't he? Oh no, he wasn't there, was he?
Now? No? She no,Yeah, you're right, yeah, no,

(01:14:00):
I mean it's it is weird thatshe's that she was at the party
and not. Yeah, I feellike that's just like one of those things
like I feel like I was usuallylike the only child that, like,
you know, and it just becauselike my dad would take our whole family
to like things with like his clients, like dinner parties and stuff like that.

(01:14:24):
So it'd be like, oh,like I'm a kid here and like
there's no other kids, and I'mjust gonna like sit and like, you
know, be cute and like,you know, you're there like a little
cute child accessory essentially. Yeah,yeah, for sure, But that's lonely,

(01:14:45):
you know. It's like that's alsoawkward, Like it's it's strange to
not have anyone else, you know. It's like all the times we see
Kate talking in these scenes, she'stalking to like other adult women, which,
like, you know, it isinappropriate later on, I think in
a later episode when Martin is like, oh, I thought you were one

(01:15:05):
of the adults, it's like,yeah, no, you should not say
that. That's definitely like a littlebit of grooming there, I think.
But also like she quite literally islike the only child there, so it's
like she's kind of used to conductingherself like, you know, like an

(01:15:26):
adult. Yeah, yeah, forsure. So yeah, so Joy gets
up to give a speech to addresseverybody, and she she welcomes Martin Harris
to their neighborhood, and just asthis is happening, the trio show up

(01:15:55):
and start hurling shaving cream balloons,which was I love to the scene so
much, so funny, and RebelGirl is playing, which I love that
song, and uh yeah, it'sjust it's just great. It's like they
you know, because we didn't knowwhat what they're gonna do with these balloons
at first, and it turns outthey were gonna crash the garden party.

(01:16:17):
Yeah, and yeah, it's justit's I loved it. It was I
loved Derek and the other waiters justkind of like watching it and they're like,
oh my god, but also likethat that must be so funny,
Like if I was working that eventand like like younger kids came over were
like, hey, that's pretty funny. Yeah, and and and we see

(01:16:41):
Ben and he's just kind of smilingyeah and uh yeah, and then they
like they you know, they hurryup, and well they see Kate leaving
the party and she kind of stopsand looks at them, and they they
just hurry up and get the funkout of there. She looks really concerned.

(01:17:04):
She wasn't Like I feel like,did did she not see them throw
the shaving cream balloons? I don'tknow, because I don't know. It
just felt like the concerned look shehad on her face, like I was
like, h what do you whatdo you think she's thinking here? Because

(01:17:25):
I'm like, I don't think shecares that they threw those balloons. If
anything, I think she would alsolike find it funny and like like that
makes me feel like maybe she hadn'tseen it, but yeah, I don't
know. She just like I waslike, hm, I wonder what's like
going through her head right now?Yeah, because her face just doesn't match

(01:17:46):
like the rest of the scene.You know, I you know what I
think, I think did she seethey? Did she see the guys run
out and start trying to chase afterhim? I think so. I think
she might have just been pretending thatshe didn't see them, like m m,
you know. But yeah, sowe, uh, Kate ends up

(01:18:17):
going to a park. We seeher sitting on on one of the swings
and she's drinking from a bottle.So she swiped a bottle from the party.
The worst thing to get drunk on. What was she drinking? Champagne?
Oh that's right, Yeah, champagne. Yeah, for sure. And

(01:18:40):
she is like just kind of mockingher mother. She's like, I do
not wish to speak to you inthis moment. And Scott comes up,
and Scott finds her there, andshe she tells him that that he should
call the cops and she'd be theprettiest girl at all of jail. Yeah,

(01:19:10):
and uh, you know, shesays she's drinking for the first time,
and uh, she's she offers himsome, but she's she's gone through
it already. Yes, she looksit's empty. Yeah, so, you
know, she mentions that that hermother hates her. She hates. She

(01:19:32):
hates all right, Cindy Turner,fatty foods, rap music, and her
but Scott. She she pukes andthen Scott helps her up and tells her
he'll get her home. And thisjust cracked me up so much because she

(01:19:53):
was, like, we hear hersay as they walk off off screen,
She's like, can we stop atwat of burger? Watter Burger comes up
like three times this episode. Ihope they're sponsored, Like it's just so
funny. In the nineteen ninety fouroh look my bunnies in the corner.

(01:20:13):
I'm checking things out. Uh yeah. When she's in the tub later on
in the nineteen ninety four scene,she was like, I wanted what a
burger? Yeah? Also, andthen I'm pretty sure, like we see
you're eating fast food. I waslike, you know what, I bet
it is water burger probably yeah,but yeah, so you know, he

(01:20:40):
he gets her home and Joy kindof gets her into bed and she's just
complaining to Scott about about Kate's behaviorand and you know, she just thinks
she's better than that, and shementions that you know that rod Is that

(01:21:03):
rod Is is h with the boysgetting drunk, and she starts making out
what Scott doesn't even close the door. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just
like, you know, this happens, and I'm just thinking about her going

(01:21:25):
off on Kate for you know,for bringing up such a like for accusing
yeah, out of cheating, andlike, oh okay, well yeah,
that's why she was so pissed.Yeah, it's like, uh, you
know, calling the kettle black typething. Yeah, do as I say,
not as I do. That doesn'twork exactly perfect, but you know

(01:21:48):
where where I'm going with that,Yeah, yeah, definitely, Like she
doesn't, you know, because shedoesn't want that to ever happen to her,
right, and it could because sheis cheating and Kate. Kate comes
down the stairs and sees us.Yeah, so she sneaks out of the

(01:22:14):
house and just and just takes offbarefoot in the rear point. Yes,
girl, at least like put onsome shoes, Like right, we'll walk
on the sidewalk like God only knowswhat's in the road. Yeah. Yeah.

(01:22:34):
She she ends up collapsing, nearssome garbage cans, and she's just
in front of Martin Harris's house.Yeah, and she, you know,
she's crying hysterically and Martin comes overand asks if she's okay. She tells

(01:22:58):
him no, and he, youknow, he asks if if he can
help, and she's like, Idon't even know you. And he introduces
himself as Martin and they shake hands. And the next thing that we see

(01:23:21):
in this timeline, the last thingthat we see in this timeline, it's
her screaming. Is her pounding outa basement door screaming or someone to open
the door. So what did youthink about? What did you think about
this when Martin like came up.And the one thing I definitely notice is,

(01:23:45):
look how different his introduction to Kateis versus how he introduces himself to
Janette. Like he when he meetsJanette, he's like, oh, by
the way, you probably go tothis high school. I'm the assistant principal
there. You should call me misterHarris. This time, it's none of

(01:24:08):
that. Like if if I waslike teacher faculty, right, and I'm
like trying to help a student whodoesn't yet know who I am. I
feel like I would leave with thatif I had good intentions, which you
know he doesn't, And I feellike he doesn't want Kate to see him

(01:24:30):
as administration. He wants her tosee him as a friend and an equal,
which is why he's like, I'mMartin and he leaves all of all
of the other stuff out. Hedoesn't do that with Jeanette because he's not
interested in Jeanette. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I mean,

(01:24:53):
do you think that he's figured outby now that she's a student?
I think so. I feel likeit's safe to assume because I mean,
like Vince says to Ben earlier thisepisode, like there's only one high school
in the town. Yeah, soI feel like it's safe to assume that
she'll go to that school. AndI mean it's like he has her right
where he wants her. Every timeI would watch one of these episodes with

(01:25:18):
Kate where it's like Kate crying ina dress, I'm like, oh my
god, this is the episode whereshe's gonna get captured, and then it's
like I would completely forget that.Like, of course, in the clip
where she's first locked in the basement, she's in a red dress. She's
always just in a different dress,So you know this is not when she's

(01:25:39):
going to get locked away, right, Yeah for sure. So yeah,
that's the ninety three timeline. Whenyou take us through the ninety four timeline,
Yeah, a lot, a lotmore Kate. We see Kate,
I call it spaced out, butshe is really just kind of feeling introspective

(01:26:02):
and like, you know, she'supset. Like mostless timeline, we see
her at her vanity as the counterpartof the nineteen ninety three like leotard scene,
but she's like not really looking atherself. She's just kind of like

(01:26:25):
spaced out, staring, and joypoints out that her you know, peer
scenes have closed up from when shewas locked in the basement, but like
when joy kind of says that,she kind of like wants to dance around
it, and Kate doesn't. Kate'slike, oh, you mean when I
was being held captive or something tothat degree. And then Joyce stabs the

(01:26:49):
ear ring through her ear like sounsanitary, So not how you do a
peer scene? Why would you inflicthate on your daughter? Like so many
wise here. But I think whenwe see her get the belly button pier
scene in the nineteen ninety five timeline, that is like a like a reply

(01:27:15):
from Kate to this scene. Soit's like, Okay, you want pier
scenes, I got pier scenes.You know, I also thought it was
I also thought it was interesting thatshe said, you know, Kate,
your friends are coming over, atleast put some earrings on. Like what
why? I mean, dude,when I was in high school, I

(01:27:39):
could be in my pajamas and ifmy friends were coming, We're like told
me they were coming over. I'dbe like, okay, cool. I
don't know if I'm gonna change beforeyou get here, but whatever. Yeah,
it's like because you are type thing. Yeah, like why did?
But you know, Joy is justall about you know, she has to
look a certain way all the timeand be all doll all. It's so

(01:28:00):
spoofy. The next scene we seeis Kate in her sweater in the bathtub.
I'm gonna sneeze too, she SoJamie comes in, He's like,
what the heck is going on?She says the things she was thinking of

(01:28:21):
that she missed was what a burger, her favorite sweater, and warm baths.
So she decided to put on herfavorite sweater and take a warm bath.
She's really missing water burgers. Sheshould be eating a water Burger sandwich
in the tub in the sweater.I'm just saying she could have multi paths

(01:28:42):
a little bit better there, youknow, it's I like this. This
kind of reminded me of after aftermy after the car accident that I was
killed me I had to like Icouldn't take showers for a long time.
I was totally on, Like Ihad to lay flat in the bed while
my husband gave me sponge baths.And I remember when I finally was able

(01:29:09):
to take a shower for the firsttime, I was just I mean it
was months before I could take ashower. And when I took a shower,
I like I had Like I gota beer because I hadn't had I
hadn't had a drink in so long. I got a beer, I got

(01:29:32):
like my favorite I got a showergell in my favorite scent. Like I
just like I made such a bigproduction on him. I'm like fun.
Yeah, And like I told Ijust I totally got her, Like she
she just wanted to like find shewanted to find like a happy place,

(01:29:56):
you know. Yeah, yeah,I feel like you know, if you're
in a place where you've been kidnappedfor a year, you're fantasizing about what
it'll be like on the outside,and then now that she's out, she
doesn't feel better, and that's likejust such a disappointment, and she probably

(01:30:20):
feels like even upset in like abrand new way, you know, so
like I feel like she's just chasinglike any bit of sunlight. But also
it's like no one thought to getthis for her, Like no one was,
like, because I always think aboutwith like yellow jackets too, you
know, kind of similar where it'slike, oh, you're taken away from

(01:30:43):
doing or doing things you like,eating things you miss like no one like
the minute she got home was likewe're making your favorite meal, Like what
do you want or like something likethat, Like no one's given that to
her. So that's kind of sad. The rest of her dialogue with Jamie
is very telling. It's it's verysad, she say. She says she

(01:31:03):
feels replaceable. You know, Janettebasically replaced her. She doesn't really trust
that her friends or her friends they'renot. Jamie explains that he met Janette
as he was cleaning up missing flyerposters and she helped him. It reminds

(01:31:25):
me a lot of that scene withMegan in season two, just a little
bit of a parallel, not exactly, but similar. Kate also says she
can't believe that he hit Janette,which is I mean a massive, massive,

(01:31:45):
massive red flag, because like,if he'd hit Janette, he would
hit Kate. Yeah, a guywho hits women will hit a woman regardless
of who she is, So like, yeah, giant red lag. Jamie.
We keep talking about how Martin Harrislooks like Ezra fits from Pre Little
Liars, But Jamie looks so muchlike Noel Kahn, who's in Pre Little

(01:32:10):
Liars, Like so much like Iwouldn't not be surprised if they're like brothers
or something like. They looked somuch alike, it's uncanny. See,
I kept thinking that he looked likeno, you know who, Oh god,

(01:32:30):
I'm trying to think, oh yeah, he kind of does. Yeah,
you're right? Who? No,who was it that I was thinking
that he he looked like the guyfrom he was on He's on Felicity.

(01:32:56):
What was his was his name?I can't remember, but I like,
I keep thinking that he that helooks that Jamie looks so much like him.
Scott Speedman, Okay, yeah,yeah, I keep yeah, I
don't know, I keep thinking helooks like like a young Scott Speedman.

(01:33:17):
But yeah, yeah, he doesn'thuge drama playbook, you know. Yeah,
they're like perfect, yeah late men. Yeah yeah. So next we
see Kate, she's completely spaced outagain. She's hanging out with Renee and

(01:33:39):
Neil. It sounds like they weretalking about someone overdosing, Like if you
listen carefully that when the audio ismuffled and Kate is like staring out the
window, I think they're talking aboutsomeone Odeine And they're like, that's so
sad. I'm like, why isthis the conversation you're making with your friend

(01:33:59):
that just like witness their abductor getshot and like went through this horrible trauma.
You're talking about more trauma. Andthen they're like, oh, you
know, it would be fun ifwe talked about the person you hate the
most. Yeah, Like what,No, that's obviously very triggering. The

(01:34:20):
gossip they have about Jeanette is thatshe told someone she saw Kate chained to
the wall, Like why do theythink that's a good idea to tell Kate?
That's so fucked up? And youknow, Kate of course gets hyper
focused on this detail of being chainedup to wall and she's like, well,

(01:34:41):
I wasn't chained up to the walllike well that wasn't true, and
and all that they're not good friendsto Kate like that just like bums me
out that these are the people shehas. Like it's just it becomes like
progressively clear, like what little supportKate has in her life, you know,

(01:35:02):
Yeah, it's it's it's really sad. It's really sad. It's really
depressing to launch, like she reallydoesn't. She really has nobody. Yeah,
I mean other than Rod, right, Yeah, I know it's a
shame because I'm like, I reallywish she just leaned a little harder on
him. But when it was stuckwith his mom. You know, it's

(01:35:26):
or I mean, excuse me,when it when it's stuff involving Joy,
like I see why Kate doesn't wantto approach him about it, but he's
seeing it later on she done inlike nineteen ninety five, you know,
the piercing she shows Rod and theytalk about Joy together, which is good,
but you know it's a shame becauseI mean, in later episodes we

(01:35:47):
see like they're kind of Joy's familyrule is like you don't talk about family
issues to people that aren't your family. Classic toxic household rule of thumb you
know. Yeah, yeah, notnot a good thing to to like be

(01:36:10):
programming into your kids. Yeah yeah. This next scene, see this is
where Ben stops points for me alittle bit. So he, for whatever
reason, is buddies with Jamie.They're working out. I don't know why
you would approach Jamie with this conversationwhen he's literally throwing punches, but he

(01:36:35):
tells Jamie Jeanette really wants to talkto him, and you know, he
thought that Janette was really good forhim. Jamie is the most aggro right
now, Like I mean he's likefully like going like this, like it's
that's all you need to know abouthis character, Like that's who he is,

(01:36:55):
Like mister, like I'm angry,let me go punch. Like the
rest is completely trumped by I mean, look at how we've seen him in
the first two episodes, Like yeah, this this man is a nightmare.
Like he's so cute, but heis the worst, Like you do not
want to date this man. Jamiesays he'll agree to meet up with Janette,

(01:37:20):
but he can't agree to play nice, Like holy shit, Like I
would have just been like if Iwas Ben, Like if Jeanette's someone I
care about. I'd be like,you know what, never mind, because
that that's very scary, like Godonly knows, you know, Like we
know he has a gun, Likehe could literally show up with a gun
and just shooter. Yeah, Imean Ben, Ben make we see Ben

(01:37:44):
make a couple of bad decisions alongthe way. Yeah, sure, I
mean one of them trying to tryingto get them to have a conversation.
Jeanette should not want to see thisman again. I get it, Like
you're in high school. This islike really like her first boyfriend. Like
it be like that sometimes you know, you want things for yourself that like

(01:38:05):
are not good for you. Butyeah, Ben, it's like that's poor
judgment on his part to be like, oh, yeah, the guy who
battered his girlfriend, let's get himtogether and see what happens. It's like,
no, let's not. Ben wasright there when it happened. Yeah.
Sorry, my cat's trying to getin the room. I had to

(01:38:29):
so anyway, Yeah, giant redflag Ben's leg. Please promise me you
won't hurt her, And he saysthe words he says, well hurt worse
or well hurt much more. Ohgod, nightmare night. Yeah. Yeah,
so Derek and Greg. Greg isdropping Derek off for a late staff

(01:38:53):
shift for this year's garden party,and they notice that even though Kay was
just found, Joy and Rod arestill I think they're the host of the
party, right, or do theyjust attend? I No, I think

(01:39:14):
they're like the guests of honor.Oh okay, okay, So then they're
just attending. You know. Theythink that's kind of weird, and it
is. I think that's weird.So when Derek enters, like everyone is
whispering about him, and a friendwho's also working the shift takes him away,

(01:39:36):
and it's like, Tucker, Yeah, that's how cowboy hat Hank's son.
Oh fabulous. Yeah. But yeah, so he says like, well,
you know, there are all theserumors that Jeanette saw Kate. And
Derek's like, are you kidding me? This is a joke, Like you

(01:39:58):
don't actually believe that to you,and Zucker's like, no, like Kate,
you know, Jeanette's like a nicegirl, but like you should leave.
Yeah, so you know, thisis the first glimpse of all the
chaos that this rumor is going toreek on the entire Turner family. Yeah.
Yeah, And then later we seeJamie and Kate are eating presumably what

(01:40:27):
a burger in her bed. Thisseems very not Kate, like, you
know what I mean, But Ifeel like that is because of Joy getting
greasy food in the bed like gottabe a huge no no, you know,
especially fast food Jamie. This isanother like little sad piece of dialogue.

(01:40:48):
Jamie says he promises to keep hersafe, and Kate replies saying,
it's cute. You think that's upto you? Yeah, very sad.
Kate sees his pager, which isbasically the messages going back and forth,
saying Jamie's gonna meet Jeanette at thepark. She immediately thinks and knows that

(01:41:14):
he's going to be meeting with Jeanette, and she kind of like pokes around
to see, like if he's gonnalie about it, and he does.
He makes up a lie that he'shanging out with his boys. Yeah,
so we cut back to the gardenparty. This is like the super cut
of Joy giving the speech each year. This time, you know, she

(01:41:40):
says, thank God that evil,that evil is rotting in hell where it
belongs. She's referring to Martin Harrisbeing dead. Ye. Meanwhile, Kate
gets on AIM and she's going throughall the different chat rooms, and for
once, this is not a sceneof the Internet being bad and talking to

(01:42:05):
strangers not being bad, because Ifeel like that's usually the way these things
go. Because she finds an abductionvictim support chat room, so honestly,
thank God, Like, I'm soglad she found other people that understand what
she's going through, and you know, she found a place of support where

(01:42:29):
she can find solace. Yeah,yeah, definitely. Jamie meets up with
Jeanette in the park. It's it'sone of those cuts where it's like we
see Kate drunk in the nineteen ninetythree timeline and then Jamie like zips past
or basically, and then I thoughtthat was so cool. It's a smooth

(01:42:51):
transition across the timelines. If watchingit the first time, I got a
little bit confused to like what timeperiod every thing was, but then like
now I'm like, okay, no, I can figure it out. So
Jeanette is being really sweet, whichyou know isn't what Jamie deserves, get

(01:43:14):
it. I don't understand he wantsto win him back. You know,
she's still like grasping at straws tomake to maintain like what she has.
She denies she did the things Katesaid. She says, Kate is traumatized
and not in her right mind nowand none of it happened. So Jamie

(01:43:34):
says, you know, I'm justgonna ask you once, did you see
Kate? And then Jeanette gives likethe biggest pause, which is like not
good. You know, doesn't soundgood, and then says, no,
of course not. But it's like, why'd you pause so long? Girl,
Like, don't do that? AnswerImmediately she says she would never lie

(01:43:56):
to him, and they kiss.Gross hate it, hate it so much.
And then of course Kate is watchingthis. Yeah, yeah, not
not cool. And is this oneprompted her to go to the police?

(01:44:19):
You know, I think it.I think it is because her mom was
pressuring her that the police need astatement. She's putting it off for like
a really long time, presumably becauseI think she's trying to get her story
straight. Yeah, and you know, now that you bring it up,

(01:44:39):
yeah, I feel like it isan instigator to be like, you know
what, I am going to reportthis girl to the police. She gets
back on I am and her nameis Trauma Rama seventy nine. It's so
funny and she she's talking to someonepresumed believe that she's talked to before in

(01:45:00):
this chat, and she says,what will happen if people find out I
haven't been completely honest? Oh.I had a feeling even from like the
first watch through. I was like, you know, I feel like it's
not like black and white, it'sgonna I had a feeling that the whole
the way everything would unfold is it'skind of like in a gray area.

(01:45:25):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, Andit's and it's not even they were they
were really smart about it because it'snot even so simple as like, oh,
she you know, she went tohis house willingly and she entered a
relationship with him. Well that's stilllike pretty cut and dry because she's she's

(01:45:45):
kid. But it was they werepretty smart about it because Kate did tell
tell a few lies. She wasn'ttotally honest. No, she's not being
completely honest. Yeah, yeah,so it was, it was, It
was. It was interesting. Iliked that they made it a lot more

(01:46:10):
complicated than they could have for sure, for sure, And I mean some
of it is like she literally doesn'tknow what she saw, but she's claiming
she has one hundred percent certainty.Like in the next scene, you know,
she is giving this statement to thepolice. She says, Jeanette's are
when she was held captive, shedidn't have a concept of time there.

(01:46:31):
But she says she's one hundred percentcertain. And I mean even that alone,
it's like, is that the biggestlie? She tells the police no,
but like it doesn't help either,Like she doesn't know what she doesn't
know, you know, right,And this is when she pulls out Jeanette's

(01:46:51):
you Go Girl bracelet, and youknow, she's like, well, Jeanette
wasn't there, then, how wouldI have this? The police are probably
like, what the hell's that?Yeah? Yeah, They're like, you
got it at the mall girls,so did everyone? Yeah? Nine?

(01:47:12):
And then they asked, this isthe last statement of the nineteen ninety four
timeline, how well do you knowMartin Harris? And she says not well
at all? Complete lie. Yeah, yeah, for sure, And that's
that's it on the nineteen ninety fourtimeline. Yeah, yeah, it was.

(01:47:40):
Yeah. I mean, you know, Kate's definitely getting a little messy
here because she like she didn't wantto go to the cops before, and
suddenly she sees Jeanette kissing her boyfriend, and you know, now she's all
about it, which like she wasgonna have to give a statement to the
cops eventually, and like I shewas putting it off because she's floundering to

(01:48:03):
figure out like what she should actuallysay to them. But then it is
interesting that like when she gets inthe first the first thing or the first
thing we're shown is that she's onthe Jeanette stuff, when really it's like
if I was an investigator, likeI don't know, it's like you we

(01:48:24):
already know from the way she toldthe reporter in the Barbara Walters style interview
they can't press charges on Janette.So why if I was the cops,
Like, I'm not focused on thislike personal vendetta, which all be it
like yeah, it's bad, likeit's not good, but like you can't

(01:48:45):
do anything about that. I feellike you would want to figure out what
the deal was with Martin Harris specifically, but of course she's just focused on
Janette. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. So yeah, So jumping
into nineteen ninety five, we uh, we talked about this a little bit

(01:49:10):
in the after show about how howmuch I loved this scene. Like we
see Kate, you know, dancingin front of a car and and we
hear Zombie playing and she's like tellingsomeone to come dance with her. She
loves the song, and and she'sa she like she just looks like she's

(01:49:32):
super happy, and then just shesuddenly just she suddenly just stops and just
she's staring into the headlight and justjust getting really like she's just not there
anymore, and she's just staring blankly, and then we like her her kind

(01:49:54):
of like humming. The song transitionsinto a flashback of her sitting her sitting
in the basement, and she's likesinging Zombie to herself, and she's that

(01:50:14):
it's really sad. Like she hearssome sirens and she like, you know,
she she pays attention, and thenthey just, you know, we
hear them fade away, and shejust looks really dejected, and I just
I loved. I loved this somuch, because, like I talk a

(01:50:38):
lot about how Yellow Jackets had likeone of the best portrayals of PTSD that
I've ever seen, and that waswhen when Shawna killed Adam and we like
saw her as young Shawna because thatwas her, that was her trauma acting,

(01:51:04):
and but I thought, and thiswas this was much different than that,
but it was I felt like itwas so effective. I mean,
it's just like, you know,I won't go into it, but I
have trouble watching The Office sometimes,which I love The Office, but there's

(01:51:29):
there's something about the show that's verytriggering for me. And like it's a
funny show. Meredith is one ofmy all time favorite characters ever. And
I'll be sitting there just like laughingmy ass off, and then all of
a sudden, I just like Ihave to turn it off. Like I

(01:51:50):
like, I just get it.I like, I'll just start spacing out.
I'm just not there anymore. AndI like and I just I have
to turn it off. It's SteveCarrell just looks a lot like somebody who
triggers me. And it's like,I just when when we saw Kate like

(01:52:17):
that, it just it was sofamiliar to me, and so you know,
as being somebody who lives with CPTSD, like who is watching this and
recognizing this like that was just exceptionallywell done. I thought, you know,

(01:52:40):
she's just she's just living her lifeand having a good time, and
then she just suddenly she's just notthere anymore. You know. Yeah it
was yeah it yeah, great greatdirection on this, you know it,
great acting, Olivia Hope. Itwas. Yeah, it was so well

(01:53:01):
done, so well done. Anduh so we we then see the third
speech of the speech montage that theJoy was getting in ninety five, and
she's she tells everybody that, likeshe seems very exasperated, and she tells

(01:53:28):
everybody she's she's just tired. Shefeels like when everybody looks at them,
they think of they think of ofMartin and Jeanette, and the she raises
a toast to to them, tothem all, who are the good guys?
Good guys? Yeah, which,like I think it's a gradiot.

(01:53:57):
It's a little it's not so blackand white, you know, yeah,
yeah, definitely. We then seeKate watching watching a piece on Martin Harris,
you know, not very healthy,no, which like they're calling him
like a hottie from beyond the graveor something like that. Right, Oh
did they? I think so They'relike, I don't know it was I

(01:54:23):
feel like it. I didn't catchit completely, but I feel like they
were calling him like cute, likeeven though he's dead. Oh god,
so weird. But Rod walks inand, you know, being a good
dad, turned it off immediately,and good decision. He asked how her

(01:54:49):
day was, and she shows himher belly button piercing that she just got
and it's so and it looks awful? Did it really? I couldn't tell.
Look it to me. It lookedpretty like crusty and like infected.
Oh yikes, And I really Iliked this exchange a lot. I do

(01:55:13):
too. Yeah, it's very heartwarming. And yeah, he was like,
it looks painful, and she bringsup that he dislocated his shoulder on National
TV and he's like, yeah,I would do that a hundred times over
rather than deal with needles. Yeah. I like the first thing that comes
out of his mouth. She likeshows them piercings. He's like, your

(01:55:34):
body, your choice, but ouch, yeah, and they both they both
agree that Joy's get a shit abrick, yeah, and she says,
here's hoping but yeah. He sayshe's he'd rather be tackled than pierced,

(01:55:54):
and she just mentions that she's beenthrough worse, which yeah, she obviously
has he uh anyway, they heasks her how therapy is going, and
she tells him that she skipped it. She just needed a break, which
I mean, you know, inmy experience, usually when you feel like

(01:56:24):
you need a break, that's whenyou need to that's when you need to
go to the most. But shejust like she just can't wait for them
both to to burn in hell.And uh so, so then we we

(01:56:45):
see an attorney sitting there talking toBen, which this was really confusing on
the first watch, and uh likeshe she says, like she can't discuss
the case, but you know,they're just talking right now. He says

(01:57:08):
that he used to think that Katewas lying, but he doesn't know what
to believe anymore. Yeah, andhe she asks Ben if he blames Jeanette
for what happened to him, andI liked his answer. He was like,

(01:57:28):
do you do you know what awhich it didn't seem like a very
high schooler answer, but he waslike, do you know what a U?
Goldberg devices? And he said it'she basically described like you know,
like like a mouse trap type ofthing, like like like yeah, like
the ball goes into this thing andthen you know, yeah, it's a

(01:57:50):
chain reaction. And and so shesays, so you do blame Jeanette for
what happened, do Yeah? AndI can't. I I yeah, I
do not. I do not blameJeanette for what happened to him. Yeah,

(01:58:15):
it's and it's not it's not hisfault either, but he made a
bad decision. But no, itis entirely it is that is entirely on
Jamie, and we will talk aboutthat later, you know, when we
get to it. But yeah,yeah, I cannot. I cannot put

(01:58:39):
any of that on Jeanette, noway. But yeah. So we then
see Kate on a computer asking likefor support from someone with the screen name

(01:58:59):
which you know, I read asBernice four, but we later find out
it's Bernicky. But anyway, she'sasking what people would do if they find
out that she's not being completely honest. So you know, it's you're left

(01:59:23):
wondering, Okay, well, whatis she lying about? We see we
see Kate showing uh, showing joyor piercing, and Kate brings up something
that the pastor said to her whenshe was rescued, which just I can't

(01:59:50):
This is one of the phrases thatjust makes me want to put a fucking
fist through the wall when I hearit. God only gives you what you
can handle. And the I wasa little confused about why she brought that

(02:00:16):
up when they were like when shewas showing her the piercing, like I'm
not or was she saying like orwas she kind of making a smart ass
comment to to her mom about likeyou can handle that me getting a belly
piercing. I mean, is thatwhat she was doing? Yeah, maybe
maybe that's what makes the most senseto me. Yeah, because I don't

(02:00:41):
think they were because they don't knowabout the defamation lawsuit yet at that point,
so like I don't think it's aboutany of that, you know.
Yeah, Yeah, so she wasmaking Yeah, I mean, if if
that's the case, then I thenI think that's that's pretty awesome. Like,
you know, a pastor told herthat, which is like a highly

(02:01:02):
offensive statement in my opinion, andshe, you know, she basically used
that on her mother for like forbeing shocked about her belly bears. It's
just pretty funny. But they turnon the news and the news anchors reporting

(02:01:25):
that there's been a twist in thecase and Jeanette Turner is now suing Kate
Wallace for defamation, and they're like, you know, Rod and Joy immediately
start like start freaking out. Kateis just staring at the TV and just

(02:01:49):
lets out this holacious scream and andthat's how it ended. And I like,
I thought that was great. Iloved I loved the way she screamed
at the TV. Yeah, it'sfinding out you're getting sued by turning on

(02:02:10):
the TV is brutal. Yeah,Like, that's so brutal. Also,
if you listen to the part whereshe's like right before she screams, it's
voiceover of her locked in the basement, oh, and like calling for help.

(02:02:30):
So it's like she's like just triggered, you know, point blank,
and you know it's too much forher to bear. Yeah. Yeah,
Yeah. We also see her rightbefore jogging at night listening to music or
which I see this season. Ido get. My timeline's a little confused.

(02:02:53):
I thought that was the nineteen eightyfive timeline, but maybe I'm wrong.
And I thought it was interesting shewas jogging at night. I feel
like it's kind of like reclaiming youknow, her autonomy and like strength to
like go out and be by herselfbecause obviously, I mean her wandering around
the neighborhood by herself at night.You know, lads lads to bad things.

(02:03:18):
So I don't know, it wasinteresting to see her doing that after
everything that happened. Yeah, yeah, definitely, And like, I just
you know, her scream was justso I mean, she felt like she
just felt like she was a cagedanimal. She had nowhere to go.

(02:03:39):
That's like all that she could thinkto do was just scream as loud as
she could. Yeah, it's uh, I just think that so much of
the of the storyline with Kate,like the the direction and her acting choices,
and I just think it was likeso well done. Yeah, everything,

(02:04:04):
like yeah, yeah, it's uh, what are they what it like
when they were freaking out in thebackground, when Rod and Joy were freaking
out in the background, and Enjoyis just like going off and Rod says

(02:04:26):
something. Rod says, I wastalking to Kate. What did she say
before that? You know, I'mnot sure I thought they were asking about
like how they didn't know about itand like just when they thought everything was
kind of like ending and like theycould just kind of like move on now.
They can't. That's what I thoughtI heard. Gotcha. Sorry,

(02:04:51):
the late afternoon sun is kind offreaking out here. I'm looking it.
Turn this up a little bit,Okay, yeah yeah, I uh god,
man, what was your what wasyour first thought when you when you

(02:05:15):
watched this and you saw that thisdefamation suit was happening. Honestly, like,
you know, I'm team Kate,but I think it's completely justified.
Yeah, I think it's completely justifiedbecause here's the thing Kate cannot take.
There is no legal action for herto take against Jeanette, but defamation,

(02:05:41):
like one hundred percent, I mean, and also like defamation lawsuits are hard,
but I mean she literally got onlike an ABC primetime interview and said
this girl's name and like made herlife a living hell. So I feel
like the lawsuit is completely better allid. And you know, if it was

(02:06:01):
my family, if I was JanetteTurner, i'd sewer do I'm I'm glad
you said that because this This remindedme a lot of and I totally agree.
This reminded me a lot of Therewas a story and I don't know,

(02:06:24):
you might remember hearing something about this. I think it had happened in
Canada with several years ago, therewas a woman who hit and killed a
teenager on a bike. M shewas driving and she hit and killed this

(02:06:44):
teenager on the on a bike.Horrible, tragic. They were both basically
he and his friends were riding yourbikes in a place where like they were
not supposed to be riding, likeit bikes weren't allowed on on this road

(02:07:09):
or whatever. She was going fivemiles over the speed limit m hmm.
It was at night, and Ithink the kid like kind of like ro
rode his bike across the street reallyquick in front of her car, and

(02:07:30):
she couldn't stop in time, Yeah, and hit and killed him. Like
just really tragic. But I like, I remember when this happened. I
got crucified because I what happened ishis fami, the boy's family started painting

(02:07:59):
this narrative that she was driving drunkmm hmm, and which she which she
was not right, and she fileda defamation suit and I got absolutely crucified

(02:08:20):
because I was totally on her side. And everyone was like, like,
that's terrible. You don't see afamily who just lost their their son.
Yeah, it's tragic, but youcan't, like you can't ruin somebody's life
over it. Yeah, like they'relike she wass And I mean also it's

(02:08:43):
like at least with that, it'slike the minutia not to say that it's
this minor detail, because I meanit is a pretty key element of her
being drunk versus not being drunk.I mean with Jeanette, though, it's
like it pathetically is not even truewhatsoever. Yeah. Yeah, so it's

(02:09:05):
like that's why it's even worse.Yeah, yeah, for sure. So
yeah, no, I I agreeto it's it's just it's funny because we
later see in a later episode,we see Cindy trying to talk Jeannette out
of lawsuit because you know, she'slike, you really want to sue the

(02:09:26):
victim of abduction? Yeah, andit just doesn't look good and like it
just that and that that particularly isis what made me think of that case
too. It's like, you know, it's, yeah, you like your

(02:09:48):
heart breaks for Kate and which youwent through, but you can't just people
want to find a scapegoat when somethinghappens, and are like, there's just
so much there's always so much bloodlust in situations like this and it's just
not appropriate. And yeah, soit's and unfortunately it happens way too often.

(02:10:18):
But it's like, yeah, Idon't know, I could talk about
that forever, but but no,this was a great episode and I can't
wait to talk about season about episodethree, which I texted you about,
I think like yesterday or today,I'm like, I cannot wait. It

(02:10:41):
really is like I think I actuallystarted crying during episode three just because I
was just like, like, ohmy god, this is so sweet.
I was having a very overly emotionalreaction to to like to my favorite scene
from that episode. But yeah,So we are going to be talking all

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