Endgame

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As timelines Clyde friendships implode, newevidence emerges, and the shocking truth is
revealed in more ways than one.You're with Curl Summer Camp. Hey guys,

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I when you started your sentence sayingthe good thing is it's not over,
I literally thought you might tell methat there's another episode after this episode
and it's not the finale, becauseI feel like we could have used just
a little bit more like if theyjust had fifteen minutes more like answer some

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more of my questions. I haveso many questions I have, we have
so many questions. I'm worried forMichelle. Yeah, girl, I'm I'm
scared her days are numbered. Definitely. Also, I want to I mean,

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I want to see Isabella go downfor the crime, like you know,
I want to see Megan like tryto get justice. Yeah yeah.
The look at the look on herface at the end of the episode just
just screamed, I'm I'm going toavenge Luke's death. Oh yeah, for
sure. Oh my god, justI just I I need to say.

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Okay, two things that are thatare really heavily on my mind. First
of all, okay, I doI do put I actually do put some
blame on Brent because he went afterhim. He went in the water after
him, so and it was freezingcold. Um, but the guy hit

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his head and it was fucking loud. I mean, yeah, he didn't
hear or that. I mean thatyou're a fucking idiot. Yes, that
he paused the way he did tobe like, oh, maybe Luke's joking.
It's like, what about that makesyou think your brother's joking? He

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hid his head, he's definitely unconscious. I also don't like maybe it was
those integral like fifteen seconds of himbeing like Luke Luke, But I'm like,
how far could Luke have gone thatyou can't even see him. You
can't find him anymore on the water. And also like I feel like if
it was me, my gut instinctwouldn't be like, Luke's dead, it's

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over, gotta go. I'd belike, I'm calling nine to one one
right now, because if they canget him in five minutes, there's a
chance he's still alive, yeah,which apparently he was. Yeah. And
that, but you know, mymy two things that that really stuck with

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me after this What is it withthis family blaming each other for deaths that
really are not their faults. Imean, it's it's weird they can't cope
with you know, we'll get intoit. I feel like when we talk

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about missus Chambers, um, butuh yeah, I think they have a
real issue taking a responsibility and copingwith the loss of of you know,
family members too. Yeah. Um. And my my second thought is,

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um, god, damn it,girl, shummer, why do you even
keep doing this us? Yeah?I alisode. When the episode ended,
I was like, Okay, soI guess that's this shows Like thing now
is like something crazy happens in thelast twenty five seconds, which is I

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don't know, like kind of afunny way to brand yourself. You know,
I'm aware, I'm painfully aware thatin my own personal life, I
don't I don't have the best judgmentin people. I give people the benefit

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of the doubt too much. Andthis show just reminds me of that a
little bit too much. And I'myeah, I'm sorry, I can't.
I can't. I can't be anIsabella apologist anymore. Um. Um.

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And I'm I'm I'm calling myself atemporary Brent apologist. Um. Because whether
it was Freeden Delagarza's phenomenal acting inthis episode, holy shit, he was

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so good. Yeah, whether itwas that or um, just like you
know it finally just hitting him,um, just like how fucked up his

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family is U. I I liketo think that all of this is going
to change him for the better goingforward. I think so. I think
so for sure. Yeah, Ilike to think that he's actually going to
be a decent human being from thispoint. From this point on, um,

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And he's not gonna he's not gonnahave the easy, privileged, advantaged
life that you know, he's gonnahave a lot against him now carrying the
Chamber's name. I mean that articlethat came out that Megan was reading everyone
knows, So it's a really scoredstirth for him. And also I feel

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like he's still is and should befacing jail time. Yeah yeah, um
yeah definitely, but well, yeahhe's I don't know, Um, I

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mean I don't know. Yeah,I mean he's so what exactly will he
be facing jail time for plant likeplanning evidence? Planting evidence? I'd still
say, I mean, he dealtLuke that blow to the head that I
mean, even if you didn't knowabout this stuff at the very end with

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Isabella is really the one who killedhim. He hit his head and Luke
like essentially nearly drowned. So Ifeel like that's like still like manslaughter.
Yeah, yeah, it's I meanI would hope that he would get off

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a lot easier than Steve. Yeah, I would hope that Steve is going
to go away for a long time. Well, I mean he covered up
murder. He not to mention allthe inappropriate times he's patronized Megan, Isabella

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Debbie, Like he's really got hishands in the court case. He's trying
to intimidate and pressure the sheriff,Like there's so many things he's trying to
manipulate. Also, I'm so surehis business is CD two. Yeah,
yeah, I'm sure. Um.God, poor poor Debbie, like she's

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out of a job now, Like, yeah, that's why she couldn't even
show up this episode? Oh man, busy smoking pot? Yeah? Well,
I mean, you know, Megan'llbe making a big bucks soon enough,
she still be able to help supporther for sure. Should we jump

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in Kelly? Yeah? Um?What I mean? What did you think
of this episode overall? Um,let's see. Well, I don't know.
It just didn't give me all theanswers I was looking for. Um,
I was shocked it didn't address Jeffand the camera equipment. It's like,

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I just feel like it wasn't thatthe episode itself was disappointing. It's
that now the show is over andwe're not returning to these characters, and
there's a lot we still don't haveanswers about. So for me, it's
just more like by principle that there'sso much that's unanswered that I'm like,

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oh, well, then, whywhy did you open this can of worms
for us? If like you're nevergoing to return to it. So it's
like Debbie being sick that wasn't importantat all. That's just a conduit for
Isabella to hypothetically stay and it's nothingmore than that, Like the Lisa stuff,

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you mean to tell me, Likethe Lisa relationship is that uncomplicated?
It's just that she drowned and Lukealso drowned. And isn't that a coincidence
that Isabella's friends keep dying from drowning. Like I'm just like, oh,
that's it, Like that's why thatwas in there. Also, Megan,
what is taking those pills? Andthat also doesn't matter, Like I feel

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like some stuff must have been cut, like storylines were like partially cut and
we're kind of seeing like the remainsof them. But just clear it all
out, Like why why made Debbiesick? Why was Debbie sick? Really?
Yeah, because Isabella couldn't she wasthere? Well, I guess she

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stayed in the two thousands time,like she's being investigated, Like it would
have made sense to me if shewas around town still or thinking said she
had like passport issues or visa issuesor you know whatever. The investigation delayed
her. Luke being missing, youknow, required her to continue staying in

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the US, Like it just didn'thave to be this like throwaway thing.
Debbie really never stood up for Meganor did anything that really redeemed herself.
We never find out what happened tothe baby. It's like, okay,
I mean I guess we assume Meganhad an abortion, but like, also

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we never know why Megan chooses todress the way she did. Yeah,
I think she Um, yeah,I don't know. It's like, oh,
she's sad, so she would dresslike this. It's like, well,
I mean, really, you thinkthat's that's it. When people are

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sad, they get their eyebrows piers. Yeah, that is right. They
do get their eyebrows piers when they'resad. Actually, but you know,
it's just a little like it's alittle more nuanced than that. And I
mean it's like I've talked about before, like when she dresses like that,
she's going to draw attention to herself. We see her setting up for like,

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okay, act like everything's normal,act like everything's this. It's like,
okay, well then why would youdo that to draw attention to yourself?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'sweird. Um yeah, like she
her change, her style totally changedwithin a few months. And you go

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away to college. But it's likeyou could have they could have had some
thorough weight line where Brent like islike, hey, like you go to
school here and then your style completelychanges, Like even if he just even
if there was like a like ahalf this sentence like that, that would
have explained a little bit of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, true,

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um yeah, god, I likeI really I almost I feel like
this season almost needs a follow upthan the first season. I agree,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the last episode I'd be

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better with that, Like if therewas something where we could know or not
know if they're catching Isabella or iflike she's gonna show that to Jack or
if she's just gonna go to gotake off on the run for Isabella.
But it's like it just feels kindof incomplete, whereas like the first season,
I feel like the ending is like, oh, like well everything was

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wrapped up genuinely, like they wrappedeverything up of like, hey, Kates
with this girl now, like Jeanette'sdoing better, like they're kind of they're
each doing their own things, buteverything's as good as it can be.
Oh, we forgot to present thisinformation to you. It's this, but
that's all in the past. Yea. With this, it's like oh um

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oh no, Like they like,is Megan gonna do anything about this?
And it's like, well, Ihope, so I guess I'll just keep
dreaming. Oh man. Um,yeah, yeah, I agree. There
was there was a lot that thatwas left out that I wish would had

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been answered. But yeah, umbut yeah yeah, um maybe maybe one
day we'll they'll decide to revisit thesecharacters. That would be kind of cool.
Yeah. Um, but uh yeah, let's uh, why don't you,

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um, why don't you take us? Uh, why don't you start
us? Take us into the startof the episode. Yeah. So we
open on Luke alone on the dock. It was the closing shot from last
time. Uh you know. Hesays, I didn't think I I didn't
expect you to come. And it'sBrent and he's wearing the outfit I'm wearing,

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yea or a similar look, notnot I didn't get the colors exactly
right, but close enough. Yeah. And this is intercut with Steve waking
up and he goes downstairs and findswet foot footsteps all over the house.
Brent is soaking wet and crying atthe kitchen counter, um, and then

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we cut back to Steve running tothe dock by the cabin looking for Luke.
Um. So, I mean rightthere, it's like I was like,
hmm, that's interesting because we're ledto presume that Brent killed Luke or
that like these two things happen.Luca's dead, he's gone, but Steve

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knows about it. That's what mytakeaway was, even by like the first
time I watched this episode. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah, that's
right, that's what I figured.But yeah, I'm like, yeah,

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I I how did you feel aboutthem? Like, not really, I
mean, how did you feel aboutthem not explaining right away what happened?
I was fine. I felt likethere was going to be more to the
picture. Yeah, I figured theywould come back to it and it'd be

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like a dramatic beat. I mean, did you assume that it was an
accident or did you assume that,like that maybe Brent actually did something deliberately.
I was starting to think he didsomething deliberately. Um, That's that's
what I felt. That's what Ifelt too. Yeah, I think that's

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I mean, And yeah, Ithink that I think they wanted us to
think that way. Um, AndI'm I'm glad. I'm glad that it
didn't Like, I'm glad it didn'tgo that route because I just don't think
that would have I think that wouldhave been that. I just think that

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would have been really unrealistic. Imean, here's the thing. I would
say. He still did something deliberately. I mean he still pushed Luke and
Luke hit his head. Like Iit's like, yeah, technically Luke wasn't
dead until Isabella killed him. Butlike for me, I'm like Brent like

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still basically killed him. It's Idon't know, I give him, I
give him a bit more grace onthat, Like it wasn't I see.
I think Isabella meditated or no,excuse me, Isabella premeditated him, uh

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meditated on meditated? What's the otherone you thought it out? And then
what's the one where you didn't thinkit out? Um? I don't know.
Is there a word for that?Yeah, I think it's like premeditated
is like, oh, I I'vebeen planning it this whole time. I've

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been planning to murder you. Andthen there's separate charges if you like didn't
mean to kill someone but you did. That's what I think. Whatever phrasing
or terminology that would be. That'swhat I think Brent would get or should
get. Gotcha. Um, well, I think, oh yeah, I
think that would be. I thinkthat's um yeah, I think that's manslaughter.

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Okay, that manslaughter. I thinkthat's manslaughter. Um yeah, I'm
pretty sure that's manslaughter. Um.But yeah, I mean I I give
him. I I give him thebenefit of the doubt on that though,
because it was January and he jumpedin after him. Um, I just

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think he was being really dumb inthat moment because like he didn't like I
don't know if he didn't hear himhit his head or or what. But
um, but if he if hedidn't jump in after him, then I
think I then yeah, I would. I would definitely agree with you.

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But I the fact that he jumpedin after him in Gelot in January makes
me makes me give him some greaton that. M hm um. But
uh but yeah, I am,I am. I just I have a

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lot of feelings about this family andhow they deal with with with situations like
this. Oh yeah, this familyis a mess. Yeah, mass everyone's
either in jail or dead by theend. In the Chambers family, God
only two places for the chambers exactly. Um. So, Isabella and Megan

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arrive home. Um, they getup to excuse me Megan's room, and
Meghan says she wants on tay Lukefirst thing in the morning. Isabella says
they let him off easy. Um. And Megan is totally outraged by this.
Um. She also doesn't think itwas an accident that Isabella shot him.
Yeah, and you know, andand by by Isabella's reaction, I'm

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starting to think the same thing too. Okay, So, I I felt
like Isabella intended to shoot him,But how much of it do you think
she actually planned out? Um?I mean it was it was totally Megan's

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idea to I mean, Isabella justwanted to enjoy the party and forget about
Luke. Um. Megan's the onethat wanted to like do something to get
revenge on him. Yeah. Um, but so so I So, I

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really don't know, I really don'tknow. But I mean it kind of
shocked me that Isabella was like horrifiedby the idea of going back and untying
him. I'm like, are youfucking serious? She didn't just like believe
him tied up there watching this backa second time, it's like, okay,

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So I think when Megan proposed thatshe wanted to get back at Luke
and really like hyped it up anddidn't just want to hang out with Isabella,
I think Isabella saw an opportunity.We later learned that the pills were
Isabella's idea. I think Isabella's anopportunity. Luke said some stuff she didn't

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expect him to stay, and thenshe's already like off the handle and like
was you know, kind of readyto let anything happen to Luke that uh,
you know, she she decided toshoot at him. Um. And
then I don't know what her intentionwas going, like if Luke was still

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tied up to the bed or likewhat would she have done? I don't
know, but uh, I feellike she came there with mal intent when
she back at night to the doc, Yeah yeah I did. Yeah I
do too. Um I mean yeah, yeah I do too. Um yeah.

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I I feel like you know,she was going to like I just
it's like every time, like Ijust you know, I just keep getting
like the whole thing just kept givingme Gerald's Game flashbacks. Oh yeah,
I was thinking about Gerald's Game too. Sorry, what if that's how it
went for Luke. Yikes, Yonjust forgot about him. Oh yeah,

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he got out in the first place. He's just a muscle relaxed and drunk,
tied to the bed. Forgot Isabellajust like finds some starving dog and
lets him in a cabin. Yeahthe guy the bears. The bears call
my God, it's so funny.Yeah. But when Isabella starts to say,
like, Megan, you let himoff easy, it's like I think

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she knows that she I mean,she shot at Luke. That's like pretty
like drawing the line, you know, And I think her best bet to
get Megan back is for her tomake Megan understand her perspective. So that's
what she's like running with and gonnatry to like borderline, like I think,

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like gaslight Megan into thinking that she'sbeing too nice to Luke when really
it's like I don't even think it'sabout being nice or not nice. I
think like you have to think foryourself. Like it's surprising Ned didn't hear
the shot fired literally next door tohim, or that anyone else that lives

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around there didn't. It doesn't likelook good if you'll leave him tied up
for like two days, Like,don't do that, you know? Yeah,
yeah, definitely, Like I'm surprised, Like, I'm I'm actually surprised
that, you know that Luke didn'tjust start screaming, you know, hoping
that maybe Ned would hear it.Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm not

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surprised he could get himself untied fromthe bed though. Yeah, yeah,
that's of course he did. Sothen, um, Megan and Isabella arrive
at the cabin, Luke isn't there. They're really shocked by this, even
though obviously like they shouldn't be.Um, they don't understand how Luke could

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have gotten out. It's like,um, how great do you think get
tied the rope? Meghan? Imean yeah, Um, Megan, we
learned calls the hospital, uh toask about Luke and see if maybe he
ended up there. She also hacksinto the nine one one call center.

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That that uh that that was prettycool. I'm like that for me,
I was like, Okay, sothe problem they have is with her making
fake idea. Well, I guessyou know the police found out about that.
They haven't found out she hacks intonine one one Yeah so funny.

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Um, yeah, like you hackinto nine one one, like just cracking
me up, Like, okay,just so convenient. She's a hacker,
you know, yeah, yeah,definitely. Um yeah. Isabella takes the
tape they recorded of Luke um andsays she's going to destroy it and Megan

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Megan really should have known better thanto not bear witness to her burning the
tape. Yeah, come on girl, yeah for sure. Um Oh bad
mistake, Megan, bad mistake.Also, sorry for anyone listening or watching.

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I'm sick. So if you seeme, um or sound me or
sound me. Yeah, if yousound me, if you hear me sounding
a little hoarse and talking like alunatic, that's why you usually sound like
Luna tick. So it's fine NowI'm heading nothing out, just a running

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nose. Um. But yeah,Isabella is really upset that Megan is starting
to forgive Luke, and Megan saysshe doesn't know how she's supposed to trust
Isabella again after this. Um,this was such a weird conversation. Like,

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I mean, Isabella lied to herabout sleeping with Luke because she was
manipulated by Luke into lying about that. That's not what what Megan should be
upset with her for. She shouldlike Megan shouldn't be upset with Isabella or

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or like feel betrayed by her.She Megan should be like freaked out by
the fact that Isabella is is enjoyingis going a little too far with the
whole getting Luke out of the picturething. Yeah, yeah, I would
be freaked out more that she tooktook was drinking, took pills, and

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decided to pick up a gun andshoot someone. Yeah. That like just
as a character thing, like ifI knew someone who did that, I'd
be like, oh my gosh,Like I can't be friends with this person.
Well, you don't want to goto a bar with that person that's
a day has a very dangerous person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but

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but she can't trust her because shelied to her about sleeping with Luke.
I don't know, I don't Idon't think that's the I don't think that's
the that's that's the legitimate reason here. No, No, it's like okay,
I mean I guess it's like,well, Isabella, that's why I

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don't want to be friends with you. But also it's like I don't know,
where's that layer of like, well, also, this person is unsafe
to be around point blank. Yeah. Back back at the Chamber's household,
Brent asked Steve what they're gonna do, and Steve says he's not going to

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let anything happen to Brent. Ofcourse. Yeah. At this point,
when I watched the episode for thefirst time, I was like, Oh,
how did this. It's the sameas like Luke being the one who
made the sex excuse me sex tape. I was like, Oh, how
did I not see this coming?This seems so obvious to me. It's

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like, of course, like we'vebeen saying for weeks that we think Brent
had a hand in Luke's death,and then it's so funny that I was
never able to like connect the dotsand be like, oh, well,
then have you ever thought about ifSteve knows? We just presume he didn't.
But it makes sense that brents hisgolden child knees covering up for his

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golden child. Yeah, yeah,yeah, I was actually a little shocked.
I don't know why I was shocked, because it makes sense, but
it just yeah, I was justbut I was a little surprised. Yeah,

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I couldn't believe that I didn't predictit. Yeah, yeah, I
just like, I think I wasjust shocked that he was willing, that
he was willing to just live outthis lie and go after people so hard.

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Yeah, when he knew the truthall this time, you know.
Oh yeah, I mean it ispretty crazy, especially to you to like
a family that you care about,like you're dating, you're dating the mother.
You're doing this to like your children'schildhood best friends, a girlfriend.
Like it's it's it's pretty cruel.But I mean, I guess this is

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cruel summer. It's really it's reallySteve Chambers cruel summer. Yeah. Yeah,
So Steve shows up at Meghan's house. Um, he says, uh,
you know, Meghan can tell himif Luke was mixed up in anything,

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and he's pretty much just trying todig for information to Megan. But
I mean, we know this isjust keeping up appearances. Yeah, this
is just keeping up appearances. Theytalk about the Coast Guard Academy and how
he was upset about how that conversationwent down. Steve suggests Luke ran away.

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Yeah. Um, so then thisis where our little runaway letter comes
in. So Megan comes to Isabellaand you know, tells her they need
to get on the same page.Isabella is extremely calm right now. She
is. Yeah, she's like sittingthere her nails, and she's like,

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you know, like it's any otherday. Yeah, no, Maggie,
it's all good. Yeah. SoIsabella suggests writing a note in Luke's handwriting,
saying that he's run away. Yeah, okay now, and Megan says

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that she's been copying Luke's handwriting sincethey were five? Why why why has
she been copying his handwriting since?I was gonna say the same thing.
I'm like, I don't know howto duplicate my best friend's handwriting. I've
I've never I've never like, I'venever capped. My sister has extremely neat

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handwriting. I've never tried to copyher handwriting. No, like if I
were, if I were to,if if someone said, Kelly, i'll
give you one hundred bucks if youcan successfully copy someone's the handwriting of anybody

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you choose, I would probably choosemy sister because she's got very she's got
really neat handwriting. And I stillprobably couldn't do it because I've never tried.
Yeah, I it's so funny youbrought that up, Kelly, because
I literally watched this episode twice andboth times I clopped that and was like,

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what a weird Like, what aweird thing? I mean, I
guess she's at hacker. She likesgain information. I can see Megan having
like a forgery side also that kindof tracks with her, but very straight
since you were seven, Like reallywhy yeah, goofy, Yeah, that's

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so weird. Yeah. Um,so of course that letter was so okay,
let's talk about the that note.So then the tapes that Jack showed
of just the house and no oneshows up. I guess that was real.

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Um yeah, I guess so soso Megan. So yeah, so
Megan wrote it then, Um,Megan did write it, that's why her
prince were on the note. Yeah, but it was Isabella's idea yeah yeah
um yeah, and and Megan justfor whatever, Like it's just it's so

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weird to me though, that Meganthat Megan like wide too to the police
about dropping Luke off in his house. Um, because I mean you would
like you would assume that she knowsthat they have cameras, and it's just

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it seems so weird to me.Yeah, it's a weird lie. Also,
it had me wondering, especially becausewe see Steve Chamber's car, and
that's kind of like an important detailthat comes up later this episode. I'm
like, Okay, well wait,I know, I know, Megan is
driving her mom's car. Isabella obviouslydoesn't have a car there, so that's

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like what the transportation situation is forthose two. But like, how did
Luke get to Did Megan just driveLuke to the cabin, and then how
did Isabella get to the cabin thatnight? You know what I mean?
And then I'm like, well,how did Brent get there? And then
how did Steve get there? Yeah, I don't know because we see we

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see Steve's car, and I presumethat Brent drove Steve's car. Yeah,
so that's who there seemed then.But then also I don't know, something
was just like funky. Yeah,yeah, the whole thing was really weird.
Yeah, there's a lot that didn'tmake sense about that. Yeah.

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Um yeah, there was something likeI assume that I'm well, yeah,
you know, I mean I'm assumingthat the well, yeah, the Chambers

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would not willingly give up surveillance,yeah, from showing the camera from their
driveway from that night, so theysay so they very well could have like

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they probably just handed over you know, faulty footage or whatever that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Idon't know. The next scene we
see is Megan hanging up Luke's missingperson Flyers around Town Girl Interrupted is what's

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playing in movie theaters. I lovethat movie. I thought it was very
funny that they referenced it, youknow, just like unhinged girly vibes.
Isabella really isn't like the Angelia andJulie character though, you know what I
mean, Like, Isabella doesn't remindme of the girls in that character in

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that movie though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I noticed that too.
It was um. I appreciate that, love the reference though. I that's
like when I was in high school. That's definitely one of my favorite movies.
I'd say it still is. Um. And then I also read the

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book and my college put it onas a play, and so I saw
that too. That was really cool. Oh cool nice. Um. So,
anyway, I think Megan is doinglike grieving girlfriend really well to everyone
she encounters. She's very convincing.Um, Luke is ll excuse me.

(41:01):
Megan is messaging Luke on aim noresponse. Um. And then I think
we have a little something prepared forthis conversation as Isabella comes in. Yeah,
so they the girls have have alittle spat here, and I thought

(41:25):
it would be funny if we ifwe did an overly dramatic reading. So,
um, Pamela is going to beuh, Pamela is going to be
playing Isabella and I will be playingthe role of of Megan. How over

(41:46):
dramatics do you want it, Kelly? Um, as overly dramatic, as
overly dramatic as you as you wantto be. Okay, Okay, I
can't. I can't act worth SoI'm probably gonna be thinking I'm being completely
overly dramatic, and I'm gonna belike putting people to sleep. So well,

(42:09):
fabulous, We're gonna have some chaosacting awesome. Okay, all right,
take it away, Pamela. Isaw your light. I can't sleep.
I keep thinking about the pills.What about them? We shouldn't have

(42:30):
added that other one. It wasit was too much. Hey, don't
twist this. We did it together. The pills were your idea. I
can't believe I let you talk meinto this. We just need to focus
on covering our checks, not wastetime thinking about who did what. That

(42:51):
night. Oh, you're famous.Put it in the rear view strategy.
What about it? Just be real. It's an excuse for you to not
take responsibility for anything. Ever,none of this would have ever happened if
Luke wasn't such an asshole, justlike the rest of his family. No,

(43:15):
he's not like them, He's exactlylike them. Megan, you're just
too blind to see it, right, because you're such an expert in relationships,
even though you never seem to haveone before I came here. You
live this sad, boring life,chained to your computer and your stupid little

(43:37):
rules. I pushed you out ofyour comfort zone. I showed you a
whole new You pushed me past mybreaking point, and now I might be
an accessory to murder fans. You. You ungrateful little bitch. You're the
most selfish person I've ever met.I came up with that plan to help

(44:00):
you because you wanted to get backat Luke, not me. No,
you did this because you're addicted todrama, and I should have just talked
to him. I should have neverbrought you into this. He would still
be here, Yeah, treating youlike garbage. He was right, You're
only happy when I'm miserable. Well, congratulations, you got what you wanted.

(44:22):
I wish I never met you.What a fight? Sorry I had
to add the little I love it. Oh my god, what a Yeah

(44:43):
that's that's that's the Yeah, that'sthat's the first time we've seen seen Isabella
go off on Megan. Yeah,so funny. She pops off on her
a couple of times like that thisepisode, and it's yeah, it's like
kind of satisfy, not gonna lie. Yeah, well you know it's um.

(45:08):
I mean, it's as much asthis episode like completely destroyed my my
Isabella apologist status. I was like, I really just wanted to slap Megan
when she was like thinking about thepills. That third one was too much
Like oh my god. So okay, so now you're just gonna put it

(45:29):
all on Isabella, like you youweren't involved at all. Yeah, I'm
like, whose idea was it totie him up to the bed? Girl?
Like, I mean, also,you're really agonizing over that one last
pill, which I feel like thatis a very human thing to do,

(45:50):
is to be like, oh Idid all X, Y and Z wrong,
but you know this little tiny detail, like if I hadn't done eggs,
the rest of what I did wouldhave been totally fine. When really
it's like, no, I meanyou made a mistake the whole time,
through and through, and it continuedto be a mistake, Like I don't

(46:14):
like, Yeah, they probably shouldn'thave added the extra pill, do I.
I also think that that was Isabella. Is some of that Isabella Malin's
head, But what would it reallyhave made that much of a difference?
Probably not? No, No,I mean he was drinking, you know,

(46:37):
like it was. He was fuckedup either way. Yeah, and
when you go through really what happened, which I mean we're about to leading
to his death, he was drinking. He took muscle relax since point blank
he still did, whether it wastwo pills or three. Then he hits

(46:59):
his head and falls in the waterand someone holds his head underwater. Yeah,
but you know Megan doesn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly. So now we're back on. We go back to Luke being alive.

(47:24):
Brent has just arrived to help Luke. Luke tells Brent he got caught
by Megan and Isabella in a bunchof eyes, and he also tells,
I mean this was such a rewardingconversation for Luke's character. Of all the

(47:44):
things, I did feel like theydid a good job of getting the closure
I wanted between Luke and Brent.Yeah. Yeah, definitely, all these
things that go completely unsaid and thefamily are now fine, Malie being said,
so, I feel like the episodedid do a good job of that.
I just wish that this wasn't thelast episode. This kind of the

(48:07):
second last and they're wrapping up allthe chambers, you know in internal drama.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.And I think a lot of what
I think a lot of what Alot of what Luke says to Brent in

(48:29):
that scene I think will well,I mean a lot of it has has
has an effect on him in theimmediate timeline, but I think it's going
to have a big effect on himin the future too. Yeah. Um

(48:52):
so, yeah, I'm I havea lot of hope for I have a
lot of hope for Brent for inthe future. I do too, when
he's out of jail. Yeah.Um so. Luke says he thought he
wasn't like Brent Um, but hethinks he is more like him than he

(49:13):
thought. He admits he grabbed oneof Brent's or he thought he grabbed one
of Brent's sex tapes to play atthe party, makes way more sense.
Yes, I heard. I didn'tsee coming either at that point, Like
when I I feel like that helpsredeem Luke and his relationship with Megan a

(49:35):
little bit too. Definitely. Iyeah, I mean when I because I
like I was floored, I whyis my oh my god, my stupid
camera? Um when yeah, Imean when when I found out that he
was Um, I found out thathe that it was him that played that

(49:59):
tape, I was like, whatwhat the hell? Man Like he really
just doesn't give a shit about Megan. Yeah, so I was. I
was glad to find out that itwas an accident. Guys, I'm sorry
if you're watching out like crazy,I'm really really sorry. I don't know

(50:22):
what's going on. Um, itjust like went into a really weird mode.
I'm I'm really sorry, Like Idon't yeah, okay, um yeah,
it's so damn. I just forgotwhat I was about to say.
Um, um, we were talkingabout Brent, right, oh Luke,

(50:51):
Oh Luke and the tape. Lukeand the tape. I feel like that
decision for them to omit that youknow, Luke really intended to expose Brent.
I feel like that was very intentionallyleft to the finale so that they
could really work up our sympathy forthe girls and get us to be anti
Luke for the previous two episodes.Yeah, yeah, probably, But the

(51:19):
I appreciated receiving that information because thatmakes way more sense for like Luke's character
and like his intentions, and thatjust like clicked for me. I was
like, oh, okay, allright, got it, got it.
The rest of the conversation continues reallyreally rough words. You know, Brent

(51:45):
calls Luke a loser um and youknow, basically says like even when he
wants to tank, he can't dothat right. Luke said he's done lying
about their mother's car accident. SteveI guess has been claiming that their mother

(52:08):
was distracted by Luke when she wasdriving, but the truth is that she
was drunk. And this gets Brentlike really enraged. I mean, he
was a kid, like I like, I can't believe that the family was

(52:30):
blaming her death on a I'm akid. He was like, I thought
I misunderstood it, and that Lukehad been driving because the mother was drunk,
and then when I was going throughit all, I was like and
timeline wise, like of his ageand everything, that doesn't make a like
a sense. So I guess it'sthat what like she's driving and then she

(52:51):
turns back to do something for Luke, But like, why would anyone blame
him for that? He was probablylike seven years old? Yeah, yeah,
he was like seven or eight.He was He was kid like Jesus
Christ, just wild. And alsolike, it's so interesting that Brent gets

(53:12):
like enraged when Luke brings up whatthe real truth is, because you know,
it's like it just shows that it'skind of like the same as Steeve's
reaction, where it's like they wantto believe this lie and they'd really prefer
to have like a squeakier, cleanversion of the truth. Then what really

(53:32):
happened? Yeah, Yeah, Soonce Brent gets mad, he pushes Luke.
He says it's Luke's fault that theirmom died, and Luke hits his
head on the metal handrail and hefalls in the water and doesn't emerge.

(53:53):
Yeah. Yeah, so that wasloud too. Yeah, it's bad,
Like I played it back, it'snot good. And he hits his head
like right here. Yeah, umyeah, so Brent thinks he's joking,
which is such a shame because hereally wasted some crucial seconds or a minute,

(54:19):
i'd say, um, But eventuallyhe does jump in to find him
again. I'm really surprised that hecan't find the body. Yeah yeah,
same, Like, Um, Idon't know how he I mean unless he
got like caught on something under thedock, like I don't. I don't

(54:43):
know how that's gone. How fardown could he have possibly gotten? And
also like you mean to tell methat Brent can't like go a little deeper.
It felt like he was driving verysuperficially. It's like I don't know
i'd be able to get like fivefeet at five feet, surely you could

(55:04):
or like come back with a flashlightor like, I don't know, call
I would mind if someone was likepotentially drowning, I wouldn't just give up,
go home, cry and tell Daddyhours later. I think I would
call the cops, Like i'd callnine one one, I'd do something and
say, oh, he just accidentallyhit his head and fell in the water.
Yeah yeah, I mean, likeI don't know why, like he

(55:30):
wouldn't. He didn't have to tellanybody that like he pushed him, you
know, like it's I don't understandwhy that was such a it was.
It was really responsible. Um butum, it was extremely responsible. But

(55:52):
um, but he but he didjump in after him in January, so
he at least tried. Um,but it was but yeah, the whole
thing was really weird the way itwas handled. It was very strange.
But yeah, um, and yeah, they just assume he's dead. They

(56:20):
assume he's dead. And then thevery last thing, of course, that
we see in this timeline is thatIsabella comes back to the dock. Uh
Conveniently, she walks over and Luke'sbody is washed up, and he's in
rough shape. He's totally out ofit, but he is lifting his head
up and he's alive. And sheputs her foot on the back of his

(56:46):
head and pushes his face under likethe smallest little puddle of water and that's
enough for him to not have oxygenand drown and then she pushes his body
back and the water. God,I just with when this happened. I

(57:08):
mean, I'm not kidding you.I just I sat there just with my
hand over my mouth staring like thescreen went blank. They're sitting there with
my mouth hanging open, my handover my mouth, just staring at a
blank screen for like three minutes,like just not moving. I was just

(57:32):
in so much shock. Like,yeah, I was really surprised when they
had the shot of Megan like lookingthrough the camera. I really thought I
was going to find out that Lukewas alive. I didn't think I was
going to find out that Isabella wasthe real murderer. I really thought that

(57:54):
the twist was going to be thatLuke was actually alive, and I really
stuck with that throughout this whole episode. I really felt like I was gonna
find out Luke was alive. Well, when they showed him washing up on
shore for a second, I reallythought that Isabella was gonna help him.

(58:17):
Yeah, I thought I thought shewas gonna be like, hey, get
out of here, I won't tellany When I saw you like go start
your life, you know, kindof like the advice she echoed last episode
to him in those flashbacks where she'slike, you know, you need to
start your own journey. I thoughtit would be something like that. Yeah,

(58:39):
yeah, me too, Like Ireally thought that that was it like
she was going to like he wasstill alive and Isabella was going to know
where he was. Yeah, Ithought the twist was that the whole time
she knew he was alive. Butit's so much more like that. I
mean, that's like the nice andyou know, it's like, yeah,

(59:00):
I would like to think like Luca'salive and Isabella helped him, and it's,
oh, what a shame she's keepingthis secret from Megan, but like
he's okay. Um. But ofcourse it's that, you know, she
drowned and then him drowning in thatlittle puddle. Like my thought also was
like you know, it's like wethought he died from hitting his head and

(59:22):
he fell in a lake. It'slike, it's so much worse that he
died, like and it was justthis little tiny puddle of water and it
was just weak to lift up hishead and really fight like that. It's
just so much more pathetic. Yeah, and it was it was really sad,

(59:45):
oh God, like oh um,yeah, it it really made me
feel like she killed Lisa. Um, like they got into a fight and

(01:00:15):
Lisa like you know, maybe Lisacaused friction between her and Trevor or whatever.
And maybe um and yeah and andmaybe she's just and like, you

(01:00:44):
know, Isabella said that Lisa,Lisa had been drinking, um, and
like I have a feeling like youknow, maybe Lisa started like started drowning
on her own or something and Isabellajust didn't help her. Yeah. Um,

(01:01:07):
so yeah, that's uh so yeah, so I'm sure that's probably what
happened. I'm sure she I'm sureshe was responsible for Lisa's Jeff, I'm
just so bummed because I just Iwanted her to be just like, you
know, the misunderstood person. Andyeah, but nope, they did it

(01:01:28):
to us again. They jenetted us. Yep, you know what they say,
fool me once, fool me twice. They're not gonna fool me this
third time. They're not gonna flitpast me next season. No, they
will, because we're gonna be like, okay, well, yeah, we
know that this one's gonna gonna bethe bad one. And then they're gonna

(01:01:51):
flip it on us flush grating too, because it's like a hiding in plane
site type thing. We're like fromthe get go, Remember I mean that
first line Megan says in the pilot, that's like this never would have happened
if she came to town. Imean, it was all like right there,
it's all like very obvious, andthen it's like, oh surprise.

(01:02:15):
We thought she was, you know, kind of better than she was.
But I mean, it's been aseries of red flags with Isabella that I
thought she was a red herring andapparently not. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And you know, we we acknowledgethe fact that that her friendship with

(01:02:40):
Megan didn't seem normal or healthy.It seemed a little possessive. But but
she still seemed to like have suchgeneral have such genuine caring and concern for
her that it's like you wanted tobelieve that she was a good person,
you know. Yeah, but ohgod, And so what she says to

(01:03:04):
Megan has validity, Yeah, Likesome of what she says to Megan does
have validity other than I mean thatthey're going easy on Luke that I disagree
with, but like more like thefriendship stuff, and like this conversation they
have in the two thousands timeline thatwill get to where you know, she

(01:03:24):
talks about seeing the friendship posit ina positive light, Like I don't think
that's bad. I don't think that'slike necessarily like someone that's like demented or
you know, someone who murders someonelike I don't think that's even like a
bad way to necessarily have looked atthe friendship. Yeah yeah, yeah,

(01:03:52):
man, that's so disappointed. Therewas so much unanswered with Trevor and Lisa
that I'm like, really, likethat's all Lisa was fur like that whole
storyline and like Trevor and like whateverwas happening between us, like they're not

(01:04:13):
going to tell us what that was, or like we're not going to get
to see it. Even in aflashback. As this episode was playing out
and I was seeing how much timewe're spending with Brent and Steve, I
was like, oh, man,like I would I would check like how
much time was left in the episode. And then I was like, there's
no way they're going to get tothe Lisa's stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah,

(01:04:40):
exactly. Kind of a bummer.I would. I would love for
them to just follow up on someof this stuff eventually someday. I hope
they do. I hope they do. You know the Kate Wallace book,
Like, good to know she wrotea book. I don't think we knew
that by the finale, right Yeah, yeah, no, no, I

(01:05:03):
don't think so. So. Imean that's cool to see that, you
know, she's doing something to helpheal herself. I like appreciated learning that
about her. So I hope thateither those easter eggs will continue or maybe
eventually we'll have like a character comeinto a later season and like we can

(01:05:26):
hear how people are doing or something. Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool.
Um. So going into the goinginto the other timeline, the later
Timelineum, we see. The firstthing that we see is Steve visiting at

(01:05:51):
the at the Sheriff's office, visitingJack, asking why he hasn't charged Megan
or Isabella yet. Um. Jacktells him that they, you know,
they're still working on things and theyjust got some footage from the road leading
to the cabin from that night thatthat should be helpful. Um yeah,

(01:06:14):
oh not good news for Steve.Yeah, Steve does not like that.
Yeah. Um. So Brent thenstops by to see Megan. Um,
and I just I I love thisscene so much. Um, such great

(01:06:35):
acting from from Breton Dela Garza.Um. This is where we see the
uh out of the basement, theKate Wallace story. It's laying on the
table in um. In Megan's house, Brent stops by to see Megan.
Um. He says he just neededto see a normal person. And she's

(01:06:57):
like, well, tell me whenyou find one. Um, he tells
her or she tells him that.Um. Well, he says that he
Uh. He says, I sawdaddy at the at the office. She
looks a lot about her. Megansays she's in he remission, so I
guess she had cancer. Um.And uh. She tells Sprint that Jack

(01:07:21):
thinks that Megan and Isabella colluded andkilled Luke together. Um. And she
tells him that her lawyer quit becauseshe ran out of money. Um.
And he's just like the whole time, he's just very like restrained and sympathetic
and subdued and um, he justyou know, kind of seems like he

(01:07:45):
seems kind of like a hurt puppydog, you know. Yeah. He's
also all dressed up. Yeah,he's more dressed up than we've seen him
because I think, um, youknow, later we're gonna see he's working
at his dad's office. Yeah.Yeah. Also that first scene when Steve

(01:08:09):
comes into the police station asked Jackwhy they haven't pressed charges. Seeing that
after having learned everything we learn aboutSteve and his involvement in Luke's death,
I was so much more bothered byby that conversation and how many times he's

(01:08:30):
bugged the living daylights out of Jackto arrest somebody when you know it's and
that's all just been for Brent.But it seem that one more time after
what we've learned was was tough yep, yep, and the fact that he
had an investigator following Megan around.Oh Okay, by the way, this

(01:09:00):
is totally off topic, but I'monly bringing this up because my my ADHD
is making me bring it up now, because I will totally forget about it
forever if I don't bring it upnow. Um. I rewatched the first
episode yesterday. Huh. And sothere was no there was no Tim,

(01:09:24):
Eric was there? There was noTim, but there was a Freddie wait
where there was a kid named Freddiethat was part of the group. Oh
um, And I think by episodetwo Freddie was gone and Tim was there.
Isn't that weird? Oh yeah,that's so funny. Yeah, they

(01:09:49):
did Freddy for Tim. Yeah.Sorry, I know that was totally off
topic, but I just I justremembered that for some reason, it popped
in my head and I needed tobring that up. Oh. I was
just about to say so speaking ofthe pilot, Like, so Megan doing
that like handoff with a guy thatwas just one of her hacking jobs.

(01:10:13):
I guess like nothing really figured outwith what that was. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, it was justum yeah, I mean it was
I guess it was just to likekind of you know, go hand and

(01:10:34):
handed, like kind of show thatthat's what she had been doing with her
you know, with her time.And I don't know, And also I
forgot to mention when we watched itin the earlier storyline, we see Jeff
for the very last time, andI don't know, like for to say

(01:10:56):
like the role that Jeff has playedin the importance with Megan in and like
you know, messing up the friendshipwith Luke and Jeff, etc. Um.
That last conversation like really wasn't muchto say and we literally never get
answers about his camera equipment. Yeahyeah, yeah, I don't know.

(01:11:24):
It's really weird. Um still amystery. Um. But uh yeah,
so we we finally figured out thatwhere Isabella has been staying because we thought
it was that we thought it wasJack's house, but apparently it's like a

(01:11:46):
hotel. Yeah, what which Iwas. I was surprised by that just
because of dialogue, Like she saidshe was staying at Parker's but okay,
and so then her hotel door wasthe one that was open that Perker was
listening to listening from the outside.You know what I mean. That's weird.

(01:12:09):
Yeah, I know it's really strange, but yeah, it's Uh.
Megan and Isabella go back to UM, go back to the hotel, and
Megan says it was a great strategywith them both accusing the other, which
goes back to I think it wasthe episode before where they're both saying that

(01:12:30):
you know, they can prove thatthe other killed Luke and by them accusing
the other sheriff hands were tied andIsabella says that she still hasn't gotten her
passport back and she won't once theysee the footage of them leaving the cabin,

(01:12:54):
so Megan hacks into the police filesto find the footage from that night.
UM. She and while they're watching. While they're watching the footage,
she and Isabella notice steved car approachingmum. They bust into Steve's office to

(01:13:15):
confront him over this. Um.He tells them that he doesn't need to
explain anything to them, but sincetheir lodging accusations, his investigator had a
long conversation with Trevor Cole and itseems that Isabella's friends have a habit of
dying. So when that happened,I was like, damn, that's all

(01:13:39):
we get for Trevor. Okay,yeah exactly, but I mean Isabella,
like Isabella practically practically shits herself.Yeah, and um, you know,
they they get back in the carand they're they're pretty rattled by all this,

(01:14:00):
um, you know, and Steve, Steve insisted he was home all
night. Um, and Isabella convincesMeghan that they need to hold off on
talking to the sheriff until they're surethat that it was Steve. Um.

(01:14:21):
They don't ever consider it was Brent. Yeah. I know, Like I'm
like, you've never crosses your mind, like, huh, who's the other
person that could have been driving Steve'scalm? Yeah yeah, um, but
yeah, they just you know,they know that there's there's footage of them,

(01:14:42):
and they don't want it to blowup. In their faces. Um.
And um, you know, Isabellakind of like uses this time to
use this this moment to kind oftry to like, you know, sweet

(01:15:03):
talk Megan a little bit. Andshe's like the last few days of kind
of felt like old times, andshe she really would love to do over
and you know if she never gotthat with Lisa, and Megan pretty much
laughs in her face. Yeah.Um, and she's like, this is

(01:15:27):
desperation, it's not friendship. Um. And Isabella just pretty much storms out
of the car and um says she'llget herself home. Yeah. She says
to Megan she wouldn't know loyalty ifit bitter in the ass. Yeah.

(01:15:49):
Um. And that was apparently Isabella'slast straw. Yeah. Um. Because
right after that, um, well, I mean, well, first before
we before we realize that that washis mellow's last straw, we we see

(01:16:14):
Brent freaking out in um in Steve'soffice, and I have to, um,
I'm sorry, like okay, I'myou know, I'm I'm I'm I
keep preaking uh brating. Delagarza isacting in this episode, but I I
have to I just there was somethingI was cracking up that here when he

(01:16:39):
was like Okay, So Brent's freakingfreaking the fuck out. He's convinced he's
going to jail, and my camera'sfreaking out again too. Um, I
need to Okay, I need tokeep my hand down, that's why it's
freaking out. Um. So he'sconvinced he's going to jail, and he's

(01:17:00):
telling him like he needs to gethis ship together. Um, and he
slaps him and he makes this sound. The sound that he makes, I
swear to god, I all Icould think of when I heard it was,

(01:17:25):
um the uh the the song kissby Prince. That's so funny.
Yeah, it's like I need toum, like I can't you know,
I can't play it because we'll getdemontaged. But um I um, I'll

(01:17:47):
have to like play it back toback for you later. I Okay,
I'm gonna take Steve slapping Brent asa successful theory on my end at Steve,
uh, you know, physically hurtshis children, Okay, because we've

(01:18:08):
seen him lay hands on his kidsnow like three separate times. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's true.Um it. You know, it actually
was nice to see, um,it actually was nice to see Brent freaking
out this episode and not being youknow, as opposed to being so cocky.

(01:18:30):
Oh yeah, for sure, forsure. But Steve, Steve tells
Brent no Chambers is going to jailon his watch. Um. But so
we see Megan at home and she'slistening to the radio and here's that new
evidence has been discovered in Luke's caseand in arrest maybe imminent. So she

(01:19:00):
eve lies out of there, kissin her car and heads over to Isabella's
hotel. Yeah, she also readsan article about his death. Yeah.
Um and uh yeah, go ahead, sorry, oh no, it's okay.
Um and uh she goes to herroom, goes to her hotel room,

(01:19:24):
only to find um one of thehousekeepers making up the bed and saying
that she checked out a few momentsago. Yep, um and uh Megan's
Megan heads home and gets pulled overby Jack on the way, uh,

(01:19:47):
who says that a tape just cameinto his possession and he needs her to
follow him back to the station toanswer some questions about it. Um and
this was something that I predicted lastweek. Um. We see the tape
and it's basically just we see Meganholding the gun and um and Luke screaming

(01:20:15):
you shot me, you crazy bitch. Um, it's how it's about.
How is that grounds for arresting Meganfor his murder? He didn't die.
It's not. It's really not.Um. Did you notice something too in
the movie theaters sign um when Megangot arrested. Now, Um, so

(01:20:44):
I zoomed in. This sign sayson the first line, it says held
over. Um. I'm not reallysure what that's supposed to mean. And
then I'm pretty sure that the secondline says Toy Story two, which I
remember when that came out and Iwas a little kid. I thought that
was kind of like interesting because theypicked Girl Interrupted as like the first movie,

(01:21:10):
and then Toy Story two. Iwas like, yeah, I remember
that being like coming out in thetwo thousand. In two thousand, because
I was in kindergarten, I hadToy Story two like light up shoes.
But I was like, oh,what an interesting choice, Like they could
have picked a scary movie. Theycould have picked like a thriller. It

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made me think of what I saidabout Isabella last week, and I'm curious
if anyone like if this was intendedwith what I'm about to say. Isabella
kind of reminded me of like thesong like When She Loved Me, which
is like a montage and toy storytwo about kind of like Jesse, you

(01:21:54):
know, being this toy that's likepicked up and played with and loved and
then she's not loved and she endsup being like discarded. And it reminds
me a lot of Isabella and likeher friend Megan, And so I was
like, oh, I wonder ifthat was um, I happen to mention
like thinking of that song when Ithink of like Isabella's relationship. So I

(01:22:15):
was like, oh, I wonderif that was intentional. Yeah, yeah,
I remember you talking about that.That's um yeah, good catch.
I Um, I think that's uh. I think that's a good possibility.
I mean if you were thinking that, then you know, um, then

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there was a good chance that thatthat's what they had in mind too.
Or they listened to that episode andthey said, quick, we got a
CGI this in ten thousand dollars,adding it to the background, knowing that
I would zoom in and look exactlyexactly. Um but uh oh sorry,

(01:23:05):
so yeah, I mean no,you're worth You're fine. Um, but
yeah, it's uh like so Jackaruesser um and charges her with Luke's murder.
Like doesn't make a lick of sense. It really doesn't, especially when

(01:23:27):
the cause of death was drowning.Um, Like the gunshot was accidental.
Um, I mean they weren't onthe water. She didn't shoot him on
the water. No. And alsoit didn't even hit him. It didn't
even cause like sustained damage. It'slike a bullet grazed his ear. If

(01:23:49):
anything's just guilty of firing a gunthat's like not hers, you know,
it's like okay, yeah, yeahexactly. Um. But uh yeah,
yeah, yeah. The whole thingwas was was pretty weird. Um.

(01:24:10):
So the um, Stephen Brent areat home and Steve gets the call that
Megan was charged with Luke's murder.Um, and he's totally cool with her
taking the fall for it. Yeah. Um, Brent is freaking out about

(01:24:35):
it. Um and um Steve tellshim to grow up. Um he Brent.
Brent tells him, you know,Megan's like family and Steve's like Heste

(01:24:55):
says, she's not a Chambers Andum what about Debbie who cares? Yeah?
Um, he tells him to growup and that a little gratitude wouldn't
kill him. Um and uh.Brent then confronts him about um about his

(01:25:17):
mom's car accident, UM about asksif she had been drinking, and he
says he covered it up because hedidn't want her remember that way and that
he always protects his family. UMwhich um like you know, which,

(01:25:47):
which is fine whatever, I getit, But like, why are you
gonna let your your older son likejust continue to bully your younger son over
like, you know, blaming blaminghim for distract distracting her and causing the

(01:26:08):
accident. You know, I feltlike that comment that Brent made where he
said that it's Luke's fault, Ifeel like the story that they told people
is that she took her eyes offthe road to look at Luke. I
don't think that other people, oreven Brent per se, are like regularly

(01:26:31):
saying like, well, it wasLuke's fault. You know. It's like
I think, in the heat ofthe moment, in that like argument they
were having on the dock, thatBrent accused Luke of like being the person
who's that fault for their mother's death. But I don't feel like it could
actually be realistic to blame him forit, you know, fully, especially

(01:26:55):
as a child. Yeah yeah,yeah, definitely, um um yeah,
just just s wild. Yeah.Um. So Brent goes to see Megan
at the station. Um. Hetells her that Jack told him he could

(01:27:16):
have five minutes and high box.I was like, sorry, sorry,
d interrupted. I was just likewhen I watched the scene, I was
like, do you think that Brentcame in the office and was like,
hey, um, I'm confessing tomy brother's murder. Um, but first,

(01:27:39):
could you just let me talk toMegan? Like what do you or?
I'm like, they're they just reallylike again, it's like the Chambers
men. They got the law enforcementwrapped around their finger. They can just
waltz in and talk to Megan.And like maybe Jack was hearing that for
the first time. Maybe he wasn't. I'm really not sure. I think

(01:28:02):
he was, And I think whathappened is that, Um I think Jack.
I think Jack knows enough to knowthat, Like if Brent comes in
and tells him and it leads himto think that like, look, I
have I have something you need tohear that. Let's Megan off the hook,

(01:28:30):
um, but I need you tolet me talk to her and you
can listen in. I think hewould you know, I think he would
be all over that. Yeah,that's true. Also I look back on
that that previous episode that had aflashback of Brent holding Luke underwater, and

(01:28:56):
it's like, oh man, yeahwe're out awa Yeah yeah totally. Um
but yeah, so so yeah,he goes to see Megan, um,
and he tells her that that Lukecould page him from the dock that night.

(01:29:18):
Um. He explains what happened.You know, he started fighting and
he fell into the water and couldn'tfind him. Um. We see the
flashback, Um, Megan, youknow, Megan says it was an accident

(01:29:39):
and you know, but Brent isBrent is basically just accepting it as his
fault. Um. And he tellsher that Steve tried to cover it up
and was willing to let her takethe blame. Um. And he also

(01:30:00):
admits to putting the money in thecabin. Yeah you were right about yeah.
Um. We then see that Dakis listening to all of this.
Yeah. Um. She asks whyhe's telling her all of this now,
and he says that he's not goingto let her take the fall for this.

(01:30:24):
Um. Luke really loved her andhe's so sorry for for everything and
he uh opens the door and Jackarrest him. M hm um, so
he's I mean he's eighteen, he'san adult. Um. I don't know

(01:30:49):
what charges he's facing exactly. Imean, um, probably not as many
as Steve, but he planted evidence. Um, I don't know, Like
I don't know. I still thinkthe whole thing with Luke was was accidental

(01:31:15):
but he didn't report it. Yeah, um, and I think that was
more round of stupidity and being scared. But um, that doesn't matter still,
like the law doesn't care about that. So so yeah, Um,

(01:31:42):
I don't know what he's you know, what kind of stuff he's going to
be looking at, but I thinkhis dad is in a whole lot more
trouble than he is. Mum.And we then see Steve sitting at home,
um, with all lights off,He's got his phone off the hook,

(01:32:04):
and we see the uh we seethe squad cars just swarm his house
and it was so satisfying. Whatdo you think, Like do you think
Brent told him what he was gonnado? Like do you think he just
knew when Brent left the house anddidn't come back for that many hours?

(01:32:25):
Like they're in both in big trouble, Like, how do you think it
went down that we didn't see?I don't. I don't know. Um,
I really don't know, Like Idon't, I don't. Yeah,

(01:32:53):
I don't know. Um, becausehe knew something happening. Um, I
mean he was just sitting and hewas just sitting there in the dark with
the phone off the hook, drinking. Yeah. Um, so I'm surprised

(01:33:19):
at Brent. I'm surprised Brent wouldhave told him anything. Yeah. I
feel like Brent probably didn't. Andwhen that conversation we did see is what
transpired. And then Brent doesn't comeback for like eight hours, Like I
feel like Steve had a gut feelingand knew yeah yeah maybe or or you

(01:33:45):
know, or maybe um or Debbiewas de Wie was back at work.
I mean, maybe Debbie said something. Maybe I don't know, like oh

(01:34:10):
hey, uh yeah, I mydaughter, Yeah, my daughter just killed
me in on everything. Um,fuck you, here's a punch in the
face, and hope I never seeyou and see you again. Literally so
funny. Debbie gives Steve a headsup, but like can't be bothered to
help her own daughter. Oh man, um, but oh god. Um

(01:34:45):
so Megan's back at home on ourcomputer when she gets a message from Ned
that a friend of his and PaloAlto is looking for a colder and the
job would start right away. Sothat's kind of exciting. Yeah. Oh
wait, sorry, Kelly, canI back it up just a little bit.
Yeah. Um, she's reading anarticle labeled Chambers family scandal, wealth

(01:35:06):
grade murder cover up. UM.I read the article. UM, it
was very huge general um because uh, the mom's name, she's mostly referred
to as Missus Chambers until like thelast line. I think they use whatever
her real like first name is.But I as I was reading it,

(01:35:30):
I'm like, did they just likenot give her a first name? And
like, whoever type this up waslike Missus Chamber the vinery like this set
Pa is like yeah, missus,Missus Chambers whatever missus j Um. That
was funny. And then one ofthe side articles um being displayed says a

(01:35:53):
Chatham High school um grad is boundfor the NFL Draft. I just I
just thought that was very funny that, Like that's the other article. I'm
like, what this someone someone fromChatham is about to be a professional football

(01:36:15):
player. M that's pretty cool.That's funny. Um. No, I
I cracked. I actually I thoughtthe I thought the article was hilarious because
yeah, so gossipy. It waslike, I mean talking about the accident
and like what other secrets are theyhiding? Yeah, like, no,

(01:36:40):
there would not be an article.I'm sorry, no, not at all.
It was not written like journalistically.No no, no, not at
all. Oh god, but itwas. Yeah, it was very funny
though. Yeah, for sure,it's super very very funny. Um.
But yeah, so so she's soMegan's gonna get her Megan's gonna get her

(01:37:04):
first cod coding job. So um, so that's pretty exciting and you know,
she'll hopefully make lots of money umfor a couple of years until um,
until the dot com bust happens,um in a year. Yeah,

(01:37:24):
she's out of a job. Ifelt. I felt like, even though
obviously we don't know what's in storefor Megan other than the dot com bubble
burst, um, it was encouraging. Like I keep thinking about that conversation
that Ned has with her where he'slike, well, you don't have to
go to college to be a coder, like you know, and that's kind

(01:37:45):
of like that's her the person shelooks up to like essentially the most ned
he didn't go that way, andlike getting her this job. I'm like,
oh, like that makes me feelbetter that, like, you know,
Meghan's future isn't completely ruined by ye, by all of this. Yeah,

(01:38:11):
yeah exactly. I you know,I'm glad she's she's got a future
ahead of her. Hopefully she'll focuson that and not spend too much time
plotting revenge. Yeah. Um.But we then see um, Isabella on

(01:38:36):
what I think is um, um, hang on a second, let me
okay, no, never mind,yeah, um yeah she okay, So

(01:38:59):
Isabella. We see Isabella on aflight to to uh it Besa Lisa,
and she is, um, she'salone by herself, and there is a
woman sitting next to her. She'sin first class. Of course, there's

(01:39:19):
a woman sitting next to her.Um, very friendly young lady starts chatting
her up and um she uh,she asks if she's coming or if she's
coming home or going on vacation andyeah, and she starts telling her about

(01:39:43):
her best friend Megan and and howperfect she is and and you know,
and she she can't she can't joinher right away because she's got school and
stuff, but um, you know, very talking about her, very much
like she talked about Lisa. Mhm. And uh so she um this

(01:40:08):
woman Michelle, Um Michelle was hername right? Yes? Um? Michelle
says it's her first time going there, and she says that she she's going
to need a partner in crime andshe would love to be her her party
host. And Michelle seems seems tothink that that's a great idea. So

(01:40:34):
yeah, rip Michelle, Michelle.She's dressed like someone I think who would
be friends with Isabella, like Isabella'sfashion beginning of the nineteen ninety nine summer
timeline. That girl seems like shewould be friends with Michelle. Yeah yeah,

(01:40:58):
um, oh man, poor girldoesn't know what she's in for.
No, but but yeah, it'sIsabella introduces herself as Lisa mm hmmm.
Um and uh when I was whenI watched that the first time, and
of course, you know the orderof the flashbacks, immediately after we see

(01:41:24):
this scene, that's when it's revealedthat Isabella is the one who killed Luke.
Um. When it first when thatscene first ended, and she says
her name is Lisa. I wasso genuinely baffled by it Kelly. I
was like, wait, why isshe changing her identity now? And I

(01:41:45):
was like, Oh, I don'tknow, she's so weird, like maybe
she's just a little pathological. Whatwhat was your reaction? Um? I
by like my reaction was was Myreaction was why why doesn't she just why

(01:42:11):
isn't she Patti Hi high Smith?Yeah? If anything, like she's got
a Patty high Smith? I dBut you know what, it keeps in
theme of cruel summer of girls takingother girls' identities. Yeah that's true,
that's true. Um but uh sowe um yeah, and and but yeah,

(01:42:43):
it you know, it would havebeen great if she had if she
had actually helped Duke, if shehad if she had rest, if she
had saved him and then helped himget out of town and he could live
as Rod whatever his name. Whyand and then you know in in there
could be a follow up season andRod could reunite with with Liz George and

(01:43:11):
um and you know they they runinto uh they they take a trip to
Bisa and run into Patty Highsmith there. Yeah. Um but uh so anyway,
um, we see Megan standing atthe dock looking at her hers and
Luke's initials and saying goodbye. Um. As she's leaving, she notices a

(01:43:39):
reflection in the trees. She getsa little closer and she sees a camera
that she didn't know was there.Um. She gets home and examines the
footage, and that's where she sees. But what happened? What with Luke's
body washing? Ashore? I don'teven know how he managed to survive.

(01:44:03):
I don't know either. But youknow what I don't know even more is
how that camera went completely unnoticed tothe next door neighbors that definitely share that
doc with ned like property line,property line thing right there? One,
Like, you mean to tell me, like no one in the chamber's family

(01:44:27):
has ever noticed that camera that hasbeen there for over like years at this
point? Two? You mean totell me Jack didn't find that camera.
I mean, if he did,the case would have been solved. Like
but it's just it's like, yes, I understand, how else is Megan
going to learn that information if onlyIsabella and Luke were there? I understand.

(01:44:51):
I just think that it's annoying becauseI think the police would have found
that came. We're really easy.I think other people would have known I
think if they would have looked throughall the files of Ned's recording footage,
that would have been there as well. Yeah, um yeah, yeah,

(01:45:15):
I know, Um, you know, it's it. There's there's a lot
of there's a lot of things thatdon't totally add up. Um, it's

(01:45:36):
I almost feel like, I don'tknow, I almost it almost seems like
something. Oh, it almost seemslike something happened during the season, like

(01:46:01):
like maybe it was supposed to belonger and got cut short or because it
The thing is like one thing thatI've said many times about the show and
that I that I still believe isthis is such a smart show, like

(01:46:23):
that that the narrative that they're they'retelling and like just the there's so many
just really intelligent things about the show. Yeah, but I mean that that
are like way smarter than that.I mean that surpassed other shows so much.

(01:46:46):
Um, but the there was justthere was a lot of messiness.
I mean yeah, like stuff didn'tget answered and maybe it wasn't supposed to

(01:47:09):
be a like important enough to beanswered, but it seemed like it was.
They really set it up and Imean, like we're very engaged with
this show obviously, but like,yeah, if I if I became hyper
focused on it, it's because youdrew attention to it, you know what

(01:47:30):
I mean. I didn't go anywherethat they weren't leading me already, except
maybe the polar Bear. But look, they put in that extra shot in
ADR like that seemed like extra work. I don't know, why not do
it? The fireworks? That wassuch a deliberate thing. That was such

(01:47:51):
a deliberate shot, you know,Like I don't I don't understand, Like
I just it feels like something wentwrong somewhere almost, you know that,
Like I don't know, I'm confused. Um, but I still like it

(01:48:14):
was messy. Stuff wasn't wrapped up, stuff wasn't explained. But aside from
that, um, aside from that, it's still just really smart storytelling.
Um that that you don't really youdon't really see that that level of intelligence

(01:48:41):
and storytelling very often. Yeah,And I think Cruel Summer is a really
stepped up team drama. Yeah.Yeah. When when um we get that
shot of like you know, it'sthe out side of the camera and then
it's like going through the chord,I was really like, okay, this

(01:49:05):
is sorry, Sorry viewers, formy Mike. I love him. She
has lots of thoughts on Cruel Summeras well as you can tell. Um.
I really thought we were going togo through the camera and find out

(01:49:26):
that Luke is watching the security camerasand he's like hiding somewhere in Ned's house
this whole time, and that Nedhas like stored him away, And I
thought for sure it was gonna belike him watching Megan being like, I'll
be reunited with you one day,Megan. Like that's what I was really
convinced slash hoping for. Oh man, that would have been great. That

(01:49:51):
would that would have been cool.Yeah, that would have been kind of
cool. Um, but oh man, the look on Megan's face as she
was watching that footage, I meanit was just like I am going to

(01:50:12):
I'm going to hunt her down anavenge Luke's death. Yeah, it's so
I was so frustrated. We don'teven get to see her like take that
to Jack. Yeah, yeah,you don't get to see like Brent gent
even slightly off the hook. Wedon't get to see them suddenly like on

(01:50:33):
a man hunt for Isabella or ifthat's even possible, because now she's fled
the country. So is she youknow, are they not going to go
for her or are they going tobuild a case against her because now she's
kind of like a serial murderer.Yeah, definitely yeah. Oh man,

(01:51:01):
um I uh and you know,and and poor Michelle is probably gonna end
up dead now, oh poor girl. Yeah, or somebody that Michelle cares
about. I don't know, um, but uh but yeah, I wonder

(01:51:26):
if um, but yeah, Iwonder if if that will like if that
will let Rent off at all atthat table, at Rent off at all.
Yeah. Um I I hope itdoesn't have much an effect of an

(01:51:51):
effect on on Steve because like itdoesn't really affect any of what Steve did.
I agree, I don't think itshould affect anything Steve did, because
Steve did it all for Brent,regardless of how Luke died. You know.

(01:52:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Iwould love to um yeah, I'd
love to see like what what Chathamis like in the year twenty twenty three
without you know, without Steve Chambersand control. Yeah. I wonder if

(01:52:38):
Cruel Summer ever plans on going backto some of these characters, because I
know there's like there's just I feellike been a huge outcry when season two
started that it wasn't with Janelle andKate or excuse me not Janelle, Janette
and Kate. But of course thatwas never the plan for this show.

(01:53:00):
It was always supposed to be ananthology. But the way the second one
ended, it's like, you know, I really like, I really want
to hope that it's not just like, oh, these are leftover story lines
that went unanswered and it is whatit is and now we're done. Like
I hope that maybe this was writtenthe way it was because they plan on

(01:53:26):
returning to these characters in some way. It was such a little treat to
get Kate Wallace's book, yeah,because I don't know, like I especially
her. I think about her characterand I'm like, I'm just like,
I hope that girl's okay. Andthen seeing the book, I was like,
oh, like, you know,I'm glad she's telling her story.

(01:53:50):
Yeah, yeah, I know,I am. You know the one scene
that just like always that I alwaysthink about from season one where she was
like when she was laying in thebathtub with their clothes on, and she

(01:54:14):
was like all I kept thinking aboutwas how much I wanted to take a
bath and wear my favorite sweater andlike and something else, and she's like,
so I just decided to do itall at once. Yeah. Um,
but um yeah, I can't.I can't wait to cover season one,

(01:54:42):
um, which we will be doingsoon. Yes. Um, we've
got one more episode of season twoto get through and that's our after show.
Um. Well, by the timeyou guys at this, by the
time this one comes out, we'redone. So I guess that's kind of

(01:55:03):
irrelevant. Um, but uh sowhat we're gonna do next after this is
we are going to, uh,we're gonna cover We're gonna finally do a
proper episode um on the season twoYellowback it's finale, um, because it

(01:55:29):
was we just did like a micromicro episode. UM, so I'm going
to uh yeah, we're gonna we'regonna do a full coverage episode on that,
and then after we do that,we're gonna dive into Curl Summer season
one. UM, so you can, um, you know, if if

(01:55:54):
you've already watched it, you canjoin us. We've already watched it.
Um, if you've never watched it, you know, like you could binge
it ahead of time, you canwatch it with us week to week,
but if you could leave a commentand let us know if you've already watched
it or if you plan to watchit week to week, so we can

(01:56:15):
kind of tailor our episodes around it, like maybe we do a spoilers section
at the end where we like talkabout stuff that we already know about and
then just approach the episodes as though, you know, we don't know what
happens. Yeah, leave us acomment and let us know if if you've

(01:56:42):
already seen it, if you've alreadyseen season one, or if you or
if you plan to watch week toweek along with our episodes, And we
are going to do live chats tooas well, so while some stuff still
to come. Um, and it'sgonna be or it's it's gonna be Uh,

(01:57:05):
it's gonna be an interesting one becauseI'm gonna I'm starting therapy soon,
physical therapy, so I'm gonna ohmy god, I don't know where I'm
gonna find the energy. Oh it'sit's it's gonna yeah, I'm gonna need

(01:57:25):
a lot of napps. Um,but uh yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Um, so you know, definitely, um stick around and um we'll
uh, we'll keep chatting with youguys. Um, Pamela, did you
have any any more like thoughts toadd about this episode or this season?

(01:57:51):
Oh? Um no, I feellike I've I've said my my piece.
Um. I just want to thankeveryone who's listened to us for ten episodes
and also the folks that have beenjoining us for our live streams in addition
that is so awesome, Like,thank you guys so much for watching these

(01:58:14):
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subscribe, like it means so muchto Kelly and I. Uh, we're
trying to do this full time sustainably. That's the goal and the dream,
and you know, thank you forsticking with us and and being part of

(01:58:36):
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So yeah, share our content ifyou can, like, subscribe all
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(01:58:58):
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um, yeah that's fun. OhKelly, before we wrap up, I'm
sorry, I just remembered. Nowdo you still have that sheet we made
last episode of all of our theories. Yes, yes I do. How

(01:59:20):
did I almost forget about it?Oh my gosh, Okay, let's run
through it all right. Dirt onSteve, well, not quite what we
expected? No, no, no, what we got? Yeah? Um,

(01:59:44):
anything like okay, something totally shockingthat we didn't expect. Yeah,
yes, times two, I'd say, yeah. Um, A bag of
money yes, Um, the parentingconversation, No, no, we said,

(02:00:05):
we said no and we were rightabout that. Okay, so we
said we would get some Steve dirt, and and it was we didn't really
get the kind that we were expecting. So I'm saying that we got that
one wrong. Mm hmm. Wesaid probably on the shocker, So I'm
saying we got that one right,okay. Um. The bag of money,

(02:00:29):
we said, yes so and wewe so we got that one right.
Um. Parenting conversation we said,no, so we got that one
right? Nice? Nice Um Debbiebeing sick, we said probably, so
we got that one right, umLisa, Um, we said yes.

(02:00:56):
So if we didn't get that oneright because nothing was really explained there.
Um we Trevor, we said yes, but I don't really know what we
said that we would get with Trevor, and all we really got was come
back. Yeah, all we reallygot. I mean, I guess mentioned

(02:01:20):
was but that doesn't really count forvery much. Yeah, I'm saying we
didn't get that one. Okay,I think that's fair. Yeah, sleepwalking.
Um we said no pertance whatsoever.Apparently Yeah, Um we said,

(02:01:43):
uh we we said Isabelle's reason forbeing a Chatham? We said no,
and um we were right on that. Mm hmmm um we uh we said,
um, we said yes, wewould see ned we're wrong on that.

(02:02:06):
Mm hmm. Um. We saidthat we would we would revisit the
uh the Megan slash Jeff's pills,and we didn't, so we were wrong

(02:02:26):
on that. Um. We saidthat we would hear more about the car
accident, so we were right onthat. Uh we we said we wouldn't
hear, we wouldn't get an explanationon Debbie's pills, but we kind of

(02:02:49):
did because now we know that shehad cancer. Um made she though,
um and uh yeah, so thatwas sin that So that was it.

(02:03:12):
So we got we got seven rightout of oh sorry, um eight nine

(02:03:33):
Okay, we got ten right outof four five sixty seven. Mm hm,
ten we got ten right out ofeighteen. Okay, not not awful.

(02:04:00):
Not awful show. Yeah, umyeah, and unfortunately some are some
of those were things that we we'rehoping we would not be right about.
But yeah, um but yeah,what can you do? Yeah, I
would love to I would love toknow, like what was left out?

(02:04:27):
And yeah, I just I justfeel like something went wrong and like I
don't know, Yeah, I wantto know what was going on behind the
scenes. Yeah, yeah, Ifeel like something. I feel like something
happened and that that I feel likethere was a mess behind the scenes going
on that led to us that ledto certain things not being resolved totally.

(02:04:53):
Um, because this too, thisshow is too smart for the unresolved off
that happened. But let me askyou this, um, because I had
a I had a big problem withthe last couple of episodes of Yellow Jackets
Season two. Yeah. I thoughtit was a mess. M Well,

(02:05:19):
the adult timeline, I mean yeah, yeah, like it was. I
mean it was comedic how they likejust threw everything in at the last minute.

(02:05:39):
Um, would you rather have thator would you rather have stuff just
kind of dropped? See here's thething with the show like Yellow Jackets,
if they didn't give us answers,then it because it's a serialized show,
there's always hope for the next seasonthat they'll answer them. Unfortunately, with

(02:06:02):
um Cruel Summer, because it's ananthology, like knowing that it will never
come back to it again. Ithink it is worse. Yeah, because
at least when it's serialized, youcan say, oh, well they didn't
have enough time, or they'll they'llcover it next season. It's like with

(02:06:23):
Cruel Summer, like I mean,unless they really decide to change things,
we know they're not coming back,which I feel like is worse. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's true.Um yeah, Like if if Curl
Summer hold a Yellow Jackets, itwould have been like the whole town hasn't

(02:06:45):
has a meeting about something. They'regonna they're gonna like they're gonna, um,
they're gonna do a search, Lukebody and everyone starts like talking to
each other and and like arl likedid you did you hear that? Um?
Did you hear that Debbie has hashas cancer? Um? Oh no,

(02:07:11):
I didn't. Did you know thatJeff is selling pills? That's if
Curl Summer was Yellow Jackets yeah,everything comes out in one conversation. Yeah,
it goes boom boom boom, Yeahyeah, um yeah, com and

(02:07:33):
Eric gossip and they're like, hey, man, um, did you know
that Debbie has cancer and she's inremission? No? Did you know Jeff
is selling drugs and videotapes and thengiving it back? And uh, if
you ever see Megan with pills,that's what's about. Right. No,
I didn't know that. Oh goodto know. Hey, did you ever
hear anything about Isabella and why shecame to town? No? Man,

(02:07:55):
but I think it's really fishy,like we don't know why she would big
Chatham if she's like an Internet nationalEuropean girly, Like, oh my god,
lord, I would have loved tohave it. And Eric scene too.
That would have been great. Justpoint blank. Yeah. No Parker

(02:08:16):
finale either, which someone messaged us. Sorry I couldn't answer you and tell
you, um, you know,trying to be uh non spoilery since since
you have the the screeners. No, No, Parker's so sad. Yeah,
everyone looking for Parker in the finale. I thought Parker was gonna play

(02:08:39):
an integral role. Um, andI mean I guess she overhears that bit
of conversation and repeats it to Jackand that's what puts Jack on Megan and
Isabella. But bummed, Yeah,yeah, yeah, it would have been
nice to have seen seen um,Katie and so in this one. Mm

(02:09:01):
hmmm um. But oh well,um yeah, hats hats off again to
uh to uh Breed in Delagarza.Just absolute stand out of this episode,
Like, yeah, unbelievable performance.Um. The actor playing Steve paul As,

(02:09:26):
I think, yeah, yeah,yeah, um yeah, he Um.
I mean he's he's He's been inlots of other stuff, but I
I know he was in private practice, but um, I personally the only
the only other couple of things thatI have seen him in. Um.

(02:09:46):
He was in Brooklyn nine nine andhe was a co creator UM on impostors
Um And if I remember correctly,he was he was in the cast of
impostors Um. But uh, whichwas which I enjoyed. Um, I

(02:10:07):
dropped. I dropped off of iteventually, but it had a couple of
seasons on Bravo. Um. Butthe first season was a lot of fun
um. But yeah, I um, I was. I was telling Pamela
before we started, what's funny islike for some reason he gives me.

(02:10:28):
He doesn't. He doesn't give melike rich asshole dichebag vibes um. He
gives me like he gives me like, um, I don't know, like
quirky, like quirky nerd or artisttype love interest vibes um, like the

(02:10:56):
super quirky guy next door or somethingthat's like like the single the single love
interest dad who's super quirky and weirdkind of nerdy art for me, he
gives trad trad free form teen drama. Yeah really with with you know,

(02:11:18):
something up his sleeve because like whenI I think it's because I know,
I think it's because I know somany quirky artist types that he does not.
I mean, that looks like avery straight lay, straightforward man.
If anything, I'd say, um, the man who plays Adam in Yellow
Jackets. He looks like he's likean artsy type. He looks like he

(02:11:41):
has graphic design, you know,yeah, like he would like have like
tattoos and like, I don't know, be like a lot. I just
feel like when I think of likean artsy quirky type, I think of
like a scrawny guy in like anoversized t shirt, wearing like a beanie
with like a sleeve of tattoos.And he's got some like not like a

(02:12:01):
nicely trim beard, like some weirdfacial hair and like, you know,
it was just like dressed like ahipster. Like he looks like a very
like nice put together dad. Idon't think he necessarily seems like he'd be
like villainous, um, but Icould see him being he has secrets,

(02:12:22):
you know, he seems like adad or someone who would be doing like
blackmail and pre little liars. Yeah, okay, but but it's so funny
though, because like I he's sogood though, like, yeah, he
like on the surface, looking athim, he just doesn't give me like
he doesn't looking at him, hedoesn't strike me as the type who would

(02:12:45):
be like I look at him andbe like, so he's he's he's playing
the big bad villain role. Huhum. Yeah, but he's also not
like he's also not the well Imean, I have to like I can't
take I can't really I have ahard time taking any show seriously when they
make any villain like, you know, the the stereotypical mustache twirling over the

(02:13:07):
top villain, because that's pretty terrible. But um, but they like so
you know, obviously that's they didn'tgo that route with him, fortunately,
but um, but he's but he'sso good though. I mean, he's
so good. He's so good atat playing He's so good at playing a

(02:13:31):
complete like absolute scumbag that doesn't necessarilybut he's like an approachable scumbag. Yeah,
you know like that. I wouldn'tfind that guy intimidating, Like I

(02:13:52):
wouldn't. I wouldn't be afraid tohave a conversation with that guy. He's
like the most annoying dad like aPTA meeting, Yeah, who will feel
likes about something and you're like,oh god, this man yeah, or
like you know, I it's verylike really not like he's like annoying,

(02:14:16):
but it's like he doesn't feel like, oh, that's a man who commits
murder. He feels like that's aman who makes your life a living hell.
Yeah, on a great scale,you know what I mean of Like
it could be little things like himshowing up and being a nuisance, or
it could be big as him likesuing you. He's the He's he's the

(02:14:39):
type of guy who I would feelcomfortable. Um, giving it right back
to and and telling him where toshove it, and having no fear telling
him what I think about him andthen seriously regretting it. Yeah, um

(02:15:01):
and and and basically like and havingto and feeling like I have to change
my name in my entire identity andleave town because of them. Um but
yeah he yeah, the two ofthem, The two of them just did

(02:15:24):
like the two of them. Everythis whole cast is great, but like,
um, Paul, Paul Ailestein andEdelstein, I'm not sure how how
the correct pronunciation of its name.UM and Brandon's Alla Garza and Sadie Stanley
and UM, Lexie Underwood just allfantastic jobs this season really really impressive.

(02:15:50):
Yeah. Um, and I'm justI'm super excited to talk about season one
UM and and and Olivia Holts incredibleperformance. She was so good, yeah,
so so good. UM so yeah. So anyway, UM, please

(02:16:11):
stick around, because please keep comingback. We'll see you guys all soon.
UM. We will probably keep thelive chats on Mondays, um same
time, you know, just forconsistency sake. UM and uh, we

(02:16:35):
hope to see a lot of youguys here. We're also going to start
doing monthly Yellow Jackets chats too,m um, in addition to some like
you know to like we still wantto squeeze in some like yellow jack and
steep Dive. So there's there's lotsof stuff coming for our patreon too.
Our patreon is gonna start popping offonce once Kelly's feeling good, I'm over

(02:17:00):
my cold, and we can getour ducks in a row. Yeah,
yeah, definitely exactly. So allright, guys, thanks so much for
for a great season. This washappy, cool summer. Yeah, and
hopefully we'll see you all. I'llsee you all for a season three.
All right, take care of everyone. Bye,

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