Happy Birthday Kate Wallis

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Kate struggles with the family secret she'sbeen holding on to. Joy tries to
give Vince. Kate to go onthe Marsha Bailey Show, Mallory has a
birthday surprise. You're with Cruel SummerCamp. Hi guy, it's hello.

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Hello. Sorry, I'm laughing justbecause of that intro. I hate it
so much. I mean, we'reworking on it. It's okay. I'm
just like, I'm at that.I'm at that point where I just I

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wish it was something physical so Icould just grab it and throw it out
the window. It's coming, It'scoming, Okay, the new music's coming
one of these days. I actuallydon't find the music too much because I
think it has kind of like anineties feel, which is that, which

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is why I like, which iswhy I thought it was it was perfect.
I just like I had this wholelike I put it in as a
placeholder, and I just like Ihad this whole idea that you know,
I was going to add all thisstuff into it, and life exploded.
Yeah. Well, it's hard whenyou're recovering from major surgery and participate in
like five podcasts including an entire podcastnetworks, and I know you've just got

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a few things to do, youknow. Yeah. Yeah, And on
top of that, like, youknow, getting getting a swimming pool for
the first time in my life.You're busy, lady. You're busy in
your pool, run in your podcastnetwork Empire. Yeah, I have surt
back surgery and and I'm I starta podcast like you know, less than

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a month after after back surgery,and I'm and my number one priority is,
like, I have to go getdrunk in my pool, guys.
Yeah, oh man, yeah,I already miss it. We've got a
big We've got a big dirt holein our backyard right now. That's kind
of sad, well, just nonCalifornia Florida living things. Yeah, it

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sucks. I hate it so much. How's that. How's your week going,
Pamela, It's going pretty good.I got a Neon sign hung up
in the house. It's my secondNeon sign in the house, and it
looks so good. Hopefully you guyswill be able to see it next time

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we do an after party because Irecord those from a different part my house.
So yeah, I'm hoping I canget that in the frame. It's
been a pretty good week. It'sbeen a pretty good week. I love
this episode of Cruel Summers, solike, I'm really excited to talk about
it. I watched it yesterday,I wanted it back today to make my

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notes, and it was just likemaking me so emotional talking about it or
actually talking. I was just likethinking about Yeah, I got I got
pretty emotional in the after party talkingabout one of the scenes. So I'm
like, oh wait, that's shitman, Oh wait, no, that's

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the ninety five time. Like good, I don't have to talk about that.
Yeah yeah, yeah, it's me. Well, now I will talk
about it. I'll comment on it, so I'll probably end up crying again.
Sorry guys. Sorry in advance,I'm I'm probably going to be a
weep eat zaster. This episode justmade me really It's like, what what

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what scene made you the most emotional? Uh? Definitely when Kate was confronting
her mom. Yeah yeah, sothe same one. Yeah, the nineteen
ninety five timeline. Yeah, itmakes me really emotional. And then I
feel like a close second was thescene also in the ninety five timeline.

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Oh no, no, no,it was the ninety four timeline when Rod
is talking to Kate and he's like, She's like, you always take her
side and he's like, no,I don't not anymore, like you know
that, and he's like whole spield. It came after it was like very

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touching and like just such a greatscene. Yeah, yeah, definitely this
cast is really if this cast isso strong, said yeah, yeah.
And the yeah, the scene withKate and her mom, Olivia Holt and
Andrew Anders just knocked it out ofthe fucking park. I mean they just

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absolutely killed it. My god,Like I just I am. I am
just imagining how, like how thecrew responded to that when they're filming.
Yeah, it's so funny you saythat, because that's exactly what I was
thinking. I'm like the Martin Harrismaterial too. I'm like that must have

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been so difficult to to witness andto take after take of that. I'm
also very curious about like what thelike emotional labor and prep was like or
Olivia Holt in those scenes. Wasn'tOlivia Holt uh twenty nine years old when

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she recorded as Kate? Or amI mistaken? She's definitely you know,
no, she's twenty six now now, she was probably twenty four. Yeah,
okay, yeah, yeah for sure. But yeah, like it's I

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mean they really have to. Thisis not like this really takes a toll
on on actors. I mean,like, you know, if you listened
to some of Juliette Lewis's interviews fromYellow Jackets, you know she talks about
like what a toll it took onher playing Natalie. Yeah, how it

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was such a difficult part to play, and like it was because you know,
it was just so dark and andlike I've heard, you know,
I've listened to so many, somany interviews with like the Walking Dead cast
where they you know, they saidsimilar things. It's just like you have

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to you have to figure out someway to just like to just check out.
Like I remember listening to an interestinginterview Actually, not to get too
off the topic of Curl Summer,but I remember listening to a really interesting
interview with Samantha Morton. Do youknow who that is? She played amazing

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actress, seriously, like just okayingamazing. She played the villain in seasons
nine and nine and ten of TheWalking Dead, and I mean she was
like, I mean, she wasintense. She was an intense villain,

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and she talked about how she hada ritual to like she couldn't let she
couldn't let herself, like she hadto have a ritual that she had to
do before like basically putting on hercostume and going out to film, because

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like she had to get into thatheadspace because she couldn't like take that on.
She couldn't like she couldn't blend thetwo because that character was just so
dark, and like, you know, she would she would play a particular
song, and she would light acandle, and she would light a certain
candle, and she'd play a particularsong and she would do something else,
and it's like that was her gettinginto this character. And I just I

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found that really interesting. You know. It's like it's just it's it's a
way to easily separate yourself and say, Okay, I'm no longer myself,
I'm I'm this character I'm playing now. So I wonder how, I wonder
how often actors, actors do that, And like if Olivia, if Olivia

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Whole did anything similar to, like, you know, to kind of take
off Kate Wallace at the end ofat the end of the day, you
know, I did really one thingI really liked about this episode that I
didn't talk enough about in the afterparty. Was you know, I was.

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I was a little annoyed before withwith Ashley, and I felt like
Kate was totally justified and in kindof shutting her out before, But it
was it was really nice to seethem bonding. Yeah, like I just
I really I really enjoyed seeing thetwo of them enjoying each other's company,

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and you know, it seems likethey'll have a pretty a pretty nice relationship
from here on, which which waspretty cool. So yeah, I mean,
I wonder how Kate would react ifshe, like if slash, when
she finds out that Ashley is likehooking up with Derek though you know,

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yeah, yeah I did too.Well well, and that there's that other
thing too that's coming and you know, I'm not watching ahead, so I
don't remember how that plays out.Yeah, well, you know, me,
I I everything kind of like fellout my ears. I don't remember.

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And every time Kate is like,how do I not remember who Annabelle
is, I'm like, same girl, I don't know, I don't remember
who Ana. I do remember whoAnnabelle is, but I don't remember how
the whole Burdocky thing plays out.Yeah, well, yeah, well we'll

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have to see how that happens.It's it's which is good because we're kind
of like we're almost watching it withfresh eyes. Yeah, jump in,
Yeah, let's jump in. Allright. So this episode is set in
August twenty nine. It's Kate's birthday. That makes her a Virgo. I

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think that totally tracks. She seemsvery like, you know, she's like
cute but also like borderline boring andorganized. I say, I say it
along with virgos. Oh yeah,I have virgo in my chart. I'm
aries aries uh. Son, that'sthe main time, right, yeah.

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Son, Arie's son Leo Moon Virgorising. So I get along great with
virgos. I totally relate. Also, I think Jeanette, do you remember
what day was Jeanette's birthday? Let'ssee that's the first episode. What is
it like June twenty fifth or somethingin twenty five. So that would mean

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that she is a cancer. Thattotally tracks. The only the only sign
I could have believed potentially more isif she was like a Gemini. If
she was a Gemini, you know, because they're like two sides. Yeah,
that would make sense too. Thecancer. Yeah, that's that's an
astrology deep cut of shadiness, thecancers. They're all shady. Leave my

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dog alone. Yeah, well,you know, I don't know. Your
dog might trying to be who whichof your dogs is the cancer? Mister
Crowley? Oh oh, mister Crowley, Yeah, I don't know. He's
not shady. He's the most he'sthe most innocent. He's the most innocent.
Will be ever, Well maybe that'swhat he wants you to think.

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He's in nineteen maybe three platform.But Nana is the shady one. What's
her sign? Pisces? She's apipe. Oh so she's emotional. Well,
I mean the way she wakes meup in the morning, it sure
seems like it. Yeah. See, it's never replays nastiness. It's because

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she has so many emotions. Yeah, yeah, like selfishness and and and
and give me cookies now, youbitch. Yeah, I have a boss
who was a pisces, and you'rebasically describing him. So now she's a

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sweetheart. She really is the sweetestdog. She's just she's just a brat
who likes to wake me up earlyin the morning because she wants treats.
Yeah, who can blame her?My boss was the same way. He'd
be like Pamela, I need toknow when my falls are. It's six
say am oh my god. Anyway, nineteen ninety episode on dog astrology,

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and yeah, that's that's our otherpodcast. That's a new podcast coming.
I'm just kidding, but also maybeI'm not, so we'll find out.
In nineteen ninety three, Kate wakesup smiling. She wishes herself a happy

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birthday, which I've never heard ofanyone doing, but that's okay. Dreams
by Gabrielle is playing. That isjust such a perfect like it's my birthday,
I'm having a good day song.I was also playing when Jeanette woke
up in that timeline too. Imiss that. That's funny. Yeah,

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there's a lot of parallels drawn betweenJanette and Kate in this episode, even
though it's a Kate heavy episode.When she wakes up, she's looking at
at the pink bunny that Martin gaveher, smiling, which is very eaty
and also like, I keep thinkingabout what I said one of the previous
episodes, which is like, youknow that that pink bunny remained in her

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room the entire time, and solike when she came back rescue to her
bedroom, I guarantee you that pinkBunny was there. God, I didn't
even think of that, Like,how sick name? Yeah, yeah,
So she wakes up to the pinkBunny. We also in this episode twice

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we kind of jump timelines. I'mgoing to be covering these scenes currently,
but just know that I think eventechnically they might be nineteen ninety four,
but they're kind of like she's thinkingabout them in ninety three. So we
jumped timelines again to a time whenKate she's in captivity of Martin in his

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house in the basement, and shelocks him out of the basement and he's
kind of like trying to bribe herto open the door. He tells her,
you know, she can't just liveoff protein bars and hippies, which
I was looking in the background.I did not see hippies again in this
episode, Like they're not there,but they were just so prominently there earlier.

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Like I wonder if someone realized themistake and was like, oh,
you gotta take these away or yeah, is it a weird sponsorship? It
feels like it was like a weirdsponsorship deal. But who would want to
be like the designated food that KateWallace ate for like a year in a
basement. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I don't know, I

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feel like it. I almost feellike Hippies was like, yeah, let's
do a sponsorship guys. We cameout and we debuted in nineteen ninety three.
Yeah yeah, or maybe they madesome kind of overall deal with free
Form shows and we're like, hey, so like we made a deal with

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free Form, we have to befeatured in three of your shows. And
then free Form was like, ohshoot, like we forgot well we got
to put them in here. Yeah, they ran out of they ran out
of shows to put they ran outof shows to put it in. I'm
just so curious, like, ifanyone's got the tea on the Hippies,
let me know. Really. Butanyway, so, Martin's like, you

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can't live off protein bars. Thenhe starts to feed her a bunch of
malarkey stories, which is so saddening. He says, people have given up
looking for you. Everyone moved on, even Jamie, and he says he's
dating Jeanette Turner now, and hesays, get comfortable, get comfortable,

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this is your world now. Awful. Also, I completely miss this the
very first time I watched this episode, but I really feel like him telling
her that Jeanette Turner is dating Jamieplanted this like rotten seed in her that

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really, like, especially that she'sbeing held captive in this basement and this
is like the only little seed ofinformation of like detail that she actually has,
and she can just ruminate it,ruminate it on it, and like
run it through in her brain andlike fixate on it for so long.

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Like I really feel like this iswhere this kind of like fixation on Jeanette
like really originated. And I'd evengo as far as to say, like
it's not even per se like aboutJeanette underneath it all, right, I
mean obviously, like she's upset atJanette for understandable reasons, you know,

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as far as Kate understands the situation. But I think that underneath it all,
it's it's really about this anger atMartin, Like that's what's really underneath
it all. Yeah, sure,yeah. So back back in ninety three
again, we see Jamie and Rodtalking, and just like the minute I

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see these two together, I'm like, oh man, this conversation's gonna go
interesting. This is such a likefascinating little like tidbit rod is talking about
the Endeavor. Okay, so thatwas a spaceship that launched that year.
I'm pretty sure. It's just reallyfunny that this is what they specifically decided

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to drop in because the Endeavor Foreverlives at the Los Angeles Science Museum,
and like you can go visit itand see it. And when my mom
was in town, like I tookher and saw it and she loved it.
But I'm like, this is onehundred percent like a writer who went

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to the Science Museum and was like, oh yeah, ninety three huh,
oh, my gosh, and they'relike, all right, let's talk about
the Endeavor. That's hilarious. Yeah, And if anyone's interested, there's a
really great video that the Science Museumplays, but you can probably also find
it online of them moving the spaceshipfrom like driving it into the museum.

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So basically like they were driving thisspaceship like down the streets of Los Angeles
like it's mad. I mean,it's it's my gosh. And you see
the wings like barely passing like comingwithin like this close of like people's houses.
So it's it's really fascinating. Ijust thought that was like a really

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funny little conversation starter. I waskind of surprised that Rod isn't trying to,
like, I mean, Rod's likesuch a nice He's such a dream
boat, honestly, but I wasreally surprised he wasn't trying to like shake
Jamie down and be like listen,no funny business, okay, like anything

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like it's over, you know,Like, I was kind of surprised there
wasn't that, especially when Jamie tellsRod he's giving Kate a promise ring I
know, oh by the way,you know, just just to make Rod
even and even more of it adream boat than he already is. Ben
Kane Ben Kane actor happens to followus on Instagram. I know, he's

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he's perfect in character and out ofcharacter. Yes, so funny, but
yeah. So Jamie tells Rod thathe wants to build a big family with
Kate and sees like a bright futurewith her, and Rod's just like,
okay, I don't know. Ithink there could have been a little more

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comedy in that scene last not alwaysto go definitely. Meanwhile, Kate is
getting ready to go to the mallwith Jamie. Joy comes up and was
like you need to save Jamie fromRod, which is so funny, Like

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I just found that very like relatable, like parent dad, boyfriend stuff,
very cute. Joy and Kate arekind of having like a bit of funny
conversation. So anyway, they kindof have this funny little back and forth.

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Joy, Uh you know, excuseme. Kate tells Joy she already
looks like the bell of the balleven though the dinner is not till seven,
and Joy is like, hey,like, don't start with me.
You know, we have people comingover for dinner, so like, you
better get your bony butt home.Actually I don't. I don't know if

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she says bony but then but shedoes say it later. Who are these
people that are coming to Kate's dinner? Surely, I mean she's going with
Tanil, Renee and Jamie, Soit's not them. I'd take it to
be like it's Joy's friends. It'slike family, maybe family, maybe like
extended family, Oh could be,could be. Yeah, I just feel

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like it's a it's a joy likesocial hour thing and not really like about
Kate. Yeah, yeah, shewants to show off her daughter, Yeah
exactly. So I'm like that justis so like so bothersome to me.

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So Jamie is at the mall withKate, Renee and Tanil, and in
front of all the friends, hegives Kate the promised ring. I think
it's really awkward he does it infront of all of them. Yeah,
and I think it. I mean, it seems like at first she thought
it was an engagement ring. Ohyeah, yeah. Imagine if it was

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just like proposing to her at thelike food court of the mall. Oh
god, that would be would beso awful. That would be awful.
Like if someone started, if myboyfriend started to propose to me at the
food court, I would be likeno, put it away, like I'd
be. He'd be like will youand I'd be like no, and I

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just like walk. I'm like no, no, no, don't do that
here, m No, people donot don't don't propose in public. Just
don't do it. Don't don't doit, no matter how would she want
to, don't do it. It'sjust not unless you have unless your fiance
tells you that they want to beproposed to you in public, don't do

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it exactly. And Kate is justso reluctant to accept the ring. But
I mean Renee and Tanil are goinglike, oh, and you know,
they think it's all hue and sweet, so they're just kind of like cheering
her on, which, like Iguess, is like, how else are

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you going to react to it?So Kate just kind of goes along with
it, but you can see she'snot very interested. So then t Nil
passes around a pink, bejeweled flask. She has what do you think is
in the flask? Do my bunny'sgoing nuts? Sorry, guys, She's

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decided to get the Zoomies and she'slike, oh, my room full sprint?
Oh sorry, bunny, do youthink the flask? Kelly, I'm
gonna go with either Southern Comfort.I'm gonna go the Southern Comfort. So

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funny you should say that, becausemy two top picks are Southern Comfort and
Fireball. Okay, what you know? What though, I don't know if
people were drinking fireball that much backthen, because back then we were drinking
I think it was called I wantto say it was called Aftershock, oh,

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which was basically like fireball, whichmakes me think that fireball might not
have been around back then. Ohmaybe not. I just associate fireball as
being like, you know, theunderage drunk liquor of choice, you know,
yeah, no, I bet itwas either peach or Southern Comfort or

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I bet it was like, Idon't know, some kind of like schnops
or something that's so funny. Iremember reading The Virgin Suicides and they were
like there was a whole line aboutpeach schnops, like, oh yeah,
we sneaked peach schnops, and Iread it. I read that book in
like I don't know, maybe liketwenty fourteen, and I was like peach

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snops, Like who is drinking that? And then for my twenty first birthday,
I was like, someone's gotta getme some peach shops. I gotta
see what I miss see. Oh, Pamela, you know I was.
I was. I was genetically blessedfor a very long time with like the

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ability to get very drunk and wakeup the next wake up at like eight
o'clock the next morning and go dolike cardio boxing and awesome. But one
night in college I drank a lotof peach snops. Oh and it was

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my first hangover ever, and Iwas. I earned the nickname. I
earned the nickname Peachie because you know, my last name was keen, Oh
that's cute. Well I'm sure thatwasn't cute to you, but I yeah,

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so yeah, so everyone everyone startedcalling me Pete, calling me Peachie
after that. So funny. Sothis flask is getting handled handed around in
public at the mall. It's like, man, I mean, I guess
they really have no supervision hall Likeno, no, Paul Blart mall cop
like coming around the kid flask.It's twelve in the afternoon, Like,

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what the hell is going on?Kate doesn't take it. I'm I wonder
if Kate even drinks. She justseems so innocent that I kind of feel
like she oh well wait, wellwe've seen her drinking, but I really
like, I don't think she's Ohyeah, that's right, we did.

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We've seen her drunk, but like, I don't feel like she drinks very
regularly, which again like, well, how is she how is she friends
with Renee to Neil and Jamie.Well, she said in that in that
one episode it was either episode oneor two where she got drunk, like
where she took that bottle and shetold Scott that she was getting drunk for

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the first time ever. Oh,so that might have been the first time
she ever had a drink. Yeah, I could totally see that. But
see, this is what doesn't trackfor me about the show is like there's
no way that Jamie, who definitelyseems like he knows this way around a
bottle, any bottle at same withlike Tanil, owns a flask, you

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know, like they obviously drink.There's no way that they would actually want
to hang out with someone like Katewho is like to them like a party
pooper, and it doesn't drink,especially in high school. Is it just
because she's she's pretty and she's RodWallace's step daughter. I mean, and

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Jamie maybe all just like kind oftalking shit behind her back or something,
because like it just doesn't it doesn'tadd up for me. I don't know.
I just I can't see them reallylike being being truly pals. But
of course Jamie snatches up the flaskand he drinks. They have like giant

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sodas. I really like if someonewas like, can see me a flask
more at the food court? Itgoes in your soda and like you mix
it dull, you don't like,dress straight from it like a savage.
That's so funny, Uh, youknow, way. I just want to

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comment, going back to the wholepromise ring ring thing. I just remembered,
like there, I remember there wasa I think this was I think
this was maybe prom night. Icould be wrong in that, but I'm

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not sure. Like we would oftenand like a group of us would off
and go to dinner or beforehand orwhatever, and we some of us went
to this restaurant in downtown Chicago beforehand, and I remember, but it was
like a there was like a smalla smaller group of us this time.

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It was just like the couples.And I remember like our two of our
friends were seated across from us,and the guy gave his girlfriend a pair
of a pair of earrings like atthe table, like a pair of a

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pair of diamond earrings. And itjust I don't know why, but it
made me so uncomfortable. And Idon't know why, Like I wasn't,
like, you know, jealous thatshe was getting dime an earring journeything,
like I don't even care about diamonds, but it was just I don't know,

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it's just something about it just mademe so uncomfortable. I think it
was like the spectacle of it orsomething you know, yeah, I totally
get that. I feel like whenI was in high school, I would
love if like a boyfriend gave mesomething and I'd be like, oh my
god, like you got this forme in public. But like now I'm
like, don't do that. Yeah, Like if my boyfriend had done that,
I would not like I would havefelt the same way. I would

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have felt really uncomfortable. Like Idon't know, it's just the promise ring
reminded me my one of my childhoodbest friends who's now married. Her first
boyfriend gave her a promise ring andthen she was like thinking about breaking up
with him, and the day thatshe was thinking about breaking up with him,

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the promise ring snapped into and shewas like, oh, yeah,
it's it's over. Oh my god. Okay, that's that's it awful to
say, but that's that's funny.Yeah, it's so funny. And the
flask Okay. So when I wasgetting ready to go to college, I

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was like, I'm I'm a sobersister. I'm not gonna drink, like
I just need to, yeah,and I just need to make it look
like I'm not gonna like I justwant to be able to like hang out
with people and not like feel funnyabout it. So somehow and this genuinely

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like wasn't a ploy to get mymom to buy me a flask? Okay,
but we're in urban outfitters. Theyhad all these like funny flasks.
They'd say like fuck my liver,blah blah blah. There was one that
said girls with class don't need aglass, and I was like, oh,
that's funny. So it was like, Mom, I can put water

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in this and bring it to partiesand people will think I'm drinking and then
I'll just be drinking water, likeisn't that clever? Like can I get
this? And she's like, ohyeah sure, and she bought it for
me, not trying to like trickmy mom ha ha. Like I genuinely
that was my idea. So thenthe first party I went to in college,
filled it with water, had it. I'm riding the tea and I

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like, bring out my flask andI was like going like that and people
were like whoa. I was dreamingfrom a little flask on public transportation,
just like alone, and I hadanother from home and drink and I was
like, oh, it's water,Like do you want some? And but
it was so funny because it's likethe perception then was just like not like,

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oh, pamelaan party. It waslike, Pamela is like drinking,
like I don't even know what youput in a flask, like whiskey or
something. Pamela's drinking whiskey straight,just like before we go to a party.
I was like, oh, likehow I intended it to go.
Oh my god, that's so funny. I hope you were just like downing

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it, taking giant well. Imean, it's like drinking, and you
know, it's like a flask,Like the mouth hole is like so tiny,
so it's like actually be drinking waterout of it. You had it
turned for like a really long time, so it wasn't like I was going
like this. I was going like, so it looked insane. That's amazing.

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Oh my god, I love it. Oh damn blas see that's why
I'm nineteen ninety three. Jeanette.Oh my god, Oh that's awesome.
I love it so much. Soyeah, those are those are fun little
little stories. The girls are shoppingtogether at Contempo. Toneil's shirt is so

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cute in this scene. Her wholeoutfit is so cute I'm wearing like I
thrifted this, but it feels likeadjacent, you know. Yeah, it
has that kind of nineties like vibrantcies. That's what I was going for.
So they're walking through the mall,Jamie like runs up behind them and like

(37:14):
takes the flask again out of Tonil'shand, which like again, they're just
like walking around with a flask likeat the mall. I guess like some
kids can like get away with that, but like that's like that's so like
gutsy. I can't believe that hesteals the flasking away from her drinks from
it. He's just so plastered andit's probably let's see the dinners at seven

(37:40):
they have to go. It's probablylike six thirty. So it's like,
I don't know, not really drinkingtime, you know, it's like five
o'clock somewhere, sure, but he'sbeen drinking probably since like two in the
afternoon. He really wants to seeKate's promise ring again. Even like drunk,
Jamie is just so obsessed with theidea of this future with Kate.

(38:04):
And that's when he spills his flaskon Kate's dress, which like everyone's like
fawning over it like it's a stainand like obviously the material is dark,
it's not really gonna The issue isn'tthat it's a stain. The issue is
that it breaks of alcohol. Butyeah, that like little second before they

(38:25):
cut is just so funny because allthe girls are like oh no, and
it's like, okay, what shereally needs to do is just like soap
it all up and like just washthat little section of the dress right and
spray a bunch of perfume like stopin Victoria's Secret, like dows yourself and
then like well it a day,you know, like it's okay. Anyway,

(38:49):
that's how you take care of spilledalcohol and a dress, ladies.
Yeah, well, first of well, actually you know what first you want
to find like it helps, Ithelps to find some vinegar too. You
can get a hold of some vinegar. It'll stink for a little while,
but then the smell will come outand then you can like you know,
then you can spray something else onit to make it smell better. But

(39:15):
you know, if you can't findany vinegar, like if there's no like
drug store or whatever, then thenyeah, just you know, go to
go to Victoria's secret or whatever.Yeah, prey perfume on yourself. So
Kate is rushing out of the mallshe knows she's going to be late to
this S dinner. Jamie is sodrunk he literally can't walk anymore and he

(39:39):
falls over. This must be likeso humiliating. Yeah, like, oh
god. And so Jamie asked herwhat he's seeing. Happy birthday to her
first off, and then he askedher what her favorite present was and she
replies, it's in a This isjust like so funny. It's a print

(40:02):
her dad gave her from the movieThe Talented Mister Ripley. And I'm like,
there's no way that that is thebest Kate's literally received a pony.
There is no way that that isthe best gift that she's ever received.
And also like I just keep thinkingabout Kate watching The Talented Mister Ripley being

(40:29):
like, yeah, I love thatmovie, and I'm like, no,
that's there. There are a lotof references in this show to the Talented
Mister Ripley. Oh yeah, theylove the Talented Mister Ripley. Yeah,
because like there's you know, there'snot see that makes sense to me that
who is it this season, MichaelPurple, Bill Bill Purple, Bill Purple,

(40:53):
Yeah, I it totally makes senseto me that Bill Purple loves the
talented mister Ripley. That it's avery like film entertainment movie to like,
I feel like, gotcha, Yeah, what was it? Was it?
Uh? Patricia high Tower was whatlike a was she a character in the

(41:14):
Talented Mister Ripley or was she maybeshe was one of the fake names.
I'm not sure. I know,I know the name Patricia high Tower was
associated with the talented mister Ripley somehow. That's all I know. But yeah,
it's like it's that's like the secondtalented, the talented mister Ripley.

(41:35):
Reference that, oh, she wasthe author of the booh okay, gotcha?
All right, yeah, so she'sthe author of the book. Kate
says that that is the best giftshe's ever received. Jamie is like upset
that it's not the Ring, andso she changes her answer to the ring

(42:00):
is just so funny, like appeasing. This like just absolutely plastered drunk boyfriend
of hers gross awful, and likewhere are her friends? They just left?
They're gone again? Some friends.They are genuinely not friends, not
real friends. Jamie brings up again. He wants to buy her a big

(42:24):
house and have a big family,just like her parents. And he says
that's the dream, right, andKid's like yeah, but like I mean,
she's thinking no, she's thinking nahnah dog, not at all,

(42:47):
Jamie. Okay, I'm not surewho drove here because Jamie was so drunk,
So either he drove drunk or Katedrove his car. But somehow they
end up at Martin Harris's house.It's the perfect spot for Jamie to piss

(43:09):
in a hedge obviously, but likeright by the front door, not not
that tree, not behind the treethat's like by the road. He goes
like directly up to Martin Harris's frontdoor. Also, his lips are like
so dark, Like what were theyWhat was he drinking that made his lips

(43:30):
that dark? Maybe he was drinkingpurple passion. Purple passion, you know
what it could be. It couldbe purple passion, because it's just such
a deliberate choice that I was like, I don't know what would have done
that to his lips. Oh mygod, If that if that's what they

(43:52):
were thinking, that would make meso happy. Because that is such a
that is such a nineties thing,that's so funny. Yeah, of course
Martin Martin's lake always waiting at thedoor for Kate to show up hammered as
she is wanted to do, andMartin of course comes out and he offers

(44:16):
them both rides home. Presumably wewere talking about in the after party,
we've thought that Martin maybe just drovehome Kate were like, wouldn't it be
so funny if they just like leftJamie like passed out the house and he
drives home Kate and not Jamie.Also, yeah, so funny. But

(44:40):
yeah, so presumably he dropped offJamie already. It's just Kate and him
in the car, which is interestingbecause Kate does like really live walking distance,
so you would have dropped off Katefirst, not Jamie. But of
course he doesn't do that because hewants to be alone with Kate. So

(45:01):
Kate says, she's really nervous.Her mom is going to be so mad,
and you can really tell that Katereally wants to talk to Martin about
her family issues. She says,the big family secret hasn't gotten any better,
and if she doesn't unload it,she's going to explode, and she,

(45:28):
you know, thanks him for hisadvice and she puts her hand on
his Yeah, that was a thatwas a deliberate move there, Oh,
one hundred percent. One hundred percent. It's it's absolutely him laying the groundwork
for her to come running back tohim. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

(45:52):
So when when Kate walks in,uh, there's no dinner going on,
there's no party, no one's around. Also, Joy is in a
completely different outfit than what we sawwere in earlier, which I find very
funny. She wore one outfit tobe seen by Scott, and she wore
a different outfit for the dinner.It's just very comical to me. Joyce

(46:16):
says that Kate smells like cheap boozeand she sent everyone home from the dinner
party, saying that Kate has foodpoisoning. Kate insists that she wasn't drinking,
but Joy doesn't believe her, andKate says that she's not the person

(46:37):
with an honesty problem, it's hermother. Right as Rod comes in and
Kate brings up the night after thegarden party and that she saw Joy.
Joy has like a big change ofmood here, and it's like, Hey,
we usually don't fight with each other. Let's not fight. You know.

(46:58):
She's trying to like completely halt thisconversation. But Kate, you know,
as she told Martin, like shehas to tell someone about this.
She says to rod that she sawjoy kissing Scott, and Joyce says that
Kate is lying. Yeah, goahead, Kelly. Oh no, I

(47:22):
wasn't gonna say anything. Oh okay. We cut back to Martin and he's
flipping channels. We see him passa report on the Rodney King trial and
some football, and it's specifically whenhe passes the football game, he starts

(47:43):
thinking about Kate. He's drinking Scotch. Maybe he's drinking something. I felt
like they really made a point ofshowing that he's drinking. We haven't really
seen him drinking on any other occasionexcept when Tanya kind of like coerced him

(48:06):
into having a glass of wine.So I don't know, I didn't think
that was kind of interesting. I'mlike, hmm, does that mean like,
is it like, oh, he'sgetting like liquored up and he's just
like thinking about Kate, Or isit like, oh, he's getting liquored
up and like maybe he decided tolet Kate in his house later on,

(48:30):
as we see, and you knowthat doesn't help the situation. Like,
I'm not I'm not sure. Ijust I just felt like it was a
distinct choice made by the creators.You mean, like maybe he had a
lapse of judgment because he had beendrinking. Yeah, which, like I
don't think that really completely clicks withhow they've established him. It seems like

(48:58):
he was kind of like planning forthings to go this way. I just
felt like they do like an overheadshot of him like tilting his head back
and like finishing the glass. Itcould just be like, hey, they're
doing something interesting with cinematography. Ijust felt like there was an emphasis on
it. Got chat Yeah cool.So we go back to the Wallace family.

(49:24):
Rod is like, can can someoneexplain to me what's going on?
Joy says, Kate accused Rod ofhaving an affair, So you know,
Joy is trying to make it belike Kate is just lying and like throwing
around these accusations. Kate explains thatthat was a misunderstanding. Joy calls Kate

(49:51):
a brat, and Kate calls hera bitch, and Joy slaps or across
the face, and you know,Rod is outraged that Joy slapped Kate,
but Joy kind of replies, beinglike, well, I'm her mother and
she's being disrespectful, so like thisis how I know how to you know,

(50:16):
punish her. And there's like aheartbreaking shot of Kate like turning to
Rod for help and he just stayscompletely silent, so she runs upstairs.
Yeah. Yeah, it's and andyou know it's I not to be like,

(50:45):
Okay, yeah, we're obviously we'rebig Rod apologists, because you know,
I mean, he's he's pretty muchperfect. But I support both versions
of Rod. You know, II support pre redemption Rod and post redemption
Rod because I think he was inin a weird predicament and didn't know what

(51:09):
to do. But I also Ialso agree with with you know, his
his post redemption that he didn't necessarilyneed where you know, he said where
he realized that he should have beenmore assertive because he looks at her like

(51:30):
his daughter and so he should havehe should have acted like it and and
stopped up a little more. Yeah, it's it's definitely hard in the moment.
I mean, he literally just learnedhis wife is cheating on him too.
Like, you know, it wasn'tthe right reaction, but I understand,

(51:55):
you know that he was dealing witha lot, and like, you
know, he didn't necessarily react thebest way. But yeah, it's a
lot clawing his mind, a lot, yeah, everywhere, all at once.
You know. Yeah, there's there'sno way any anybody would like have
perfect decision making in that moment.And Joy was I mean, you know,

(52:20):
Joy was out of her mind,and like I think everyone was just
a little afraid of making the situationworse. Yeah, for sure. So
Joy runs, excuse me not,Joy. Kate runs upstairs. She's crying,
and she grabs a monogram Duffel bag, very southern, and she starts

(52:45):
packing a bag. Joy follows herup to her room. She says a
line that is so funny. Shesays, running away is so tacky.
What what does that mean? Andhow in what way? But it's like
it's kind of like, you know, it's it's like she just walks in

(53:07):
and and it's it's like Joy catchesIt's like Joy's a teenager and and catches
Cindy with with the boy that thatJoy's got a crush on, and she
just walks in and goes you.Yeah, that's the equivalent. It's you

(53:30):
know, just it's relentless too,Like she doesn't give Kate like any time
alone or like whatever, Like she'snot done with her. She's definitely not.
Kate hasn't gotten out of this likea massive attack, you know.

(53:50):
So uh. Joy is saying thatshe's just overnight turned into a braddy teenager,
which Kate says, Joy is theone who's changed, and Joy says
that Kate is just like her whenshe was a teenager, which is interesting.
Also I feel like I doubt it. Yeah, they were like hell

(54:16):
no, hell no, there's noway, no, no, no way.
I mean, for one, like, just based on what we have
heard about Joy is that she wasnot popular, whereas Kate is, and
Kate is like a nice popular girl. I feel like if Joy did become

(54:38):
popular, which I mean obviously shedid become popular in adulthood, she's not
a nice girl. She's a memegirl. She's a meme popular girl.
So I don't think that stands upat all. But Joy calls her naive,
simple and boring. Yeah, whichlike naive, I don't think it's

(55:01):
obviously nice or right for her tocall Kate any of these things. But
naive, I kind of understand moresimple, like is just kind of nasty,
Like why are you calling your daughtersimple? Simple in like what way?
Like she's plain, she's a plane, Jane, It's because she's a
virgo, that's me, Like,I don't And then and then boring it's

(55:28):
like, well, you're a cheater, So like is that Oh yeah,
you're definitely not boring. Well,what's interesting is like she said that she
was her twenty four years ago,so she was saying that she was she
was also naive, simple, andboring right at that age, which is
weird. Yeah, It's like Iguess because she wasn't the most popular gruel

(55:49):
in school, maybe she thought shewas naive, simple, and boring.
Yeah, but I don't think that'sfair to put that on Kate. And
I don't think that's accurate period.Like even if it was okay for you
to insult your daughter like this,like I just don't think that really is
a good insult for her. Youknow what's interesting, I mean not to

(56:09):
go not to go off on toomuch of a tangent here, but it's
interesting that like Cindy was the popularone and Joy was not and they were
not friends, and Jeanette is notpopular hate is and if none of this

(56:32):
had happened, they probably would havebeen friends. Yeah, so it's it's
kind of interesting, yeah, yeah, is definitely not simple and boring.
Yeah, it's it's kind of contradictoryto that earlier episode where it's like the
apple doesn't fall too far from thecrazy tree, right, It's like,

(56:53):
oh, but I like that.It's like, oh, well maybe it
does. Like you are not yourparents, You are not destined to have
the same fate as your parents,you know, by making choices essentially,
So a cover of wonder Wall isplaying when this happens. I hate this.

(57:15):
I think it completely undercuts the wholescene. Wonder Wall is such a
like I feel like nowadays it's justlike such an ironic like who it's wonder
Wall, Like, you know,it's just such a joke of a song
that like that they play it duringlike the most upsetting, dramatic moment of

(57:39):
the entire series is just like justsuch a bad choice. I love that
song. It's just like, don'tplay Wonderwall and don't play a cover of
wonder Wall, Yeah, do it, don't do it and don't do it.

(58:01):
It's like, all right, I'llstop, I'll stop popping off on
Wonder Wall. My boyfriend walked inwhen I was watching this and he was
like, oh my god. Iwas like, I know, man,
I know, yeah, I Myhusband would have had the same reaction,

(58:22):
except I don't know. He mightlike the cover better because he has a
violent hatred for Oasis. I don'tknow why, Like it's it's because you
know what. I think it's becausehe I think it's because they remind him
too much of the Beatles and hehas a violent hatred for Beetles. That's
really funny. Yeah, I don'tknow, just didn't didn't jive with me.

(58:46):
They make a lot of great songchoices in Cruel Summer, point blank,
but sometimes they are just It's likewhen they did the slow cover of
All the Small Things, Yeah,hated is this and the Wonder Wall cover
like those are. There's always likeone cover per season that is just like

(59:09):
wretched. Okay, nothing. Nothingis worse though than the Dragula cover.
I mean, making a haunting cover, making like this beautiful haunting cover about
driving Grandpa Monsters drag car. Whyshould they say that at the very end

(59:31):
of Coral Summer season two when hewas killing Luke spoiler sorry that I forgot
about that. Yeah no. Andit's always it's always during like the most
dramatic scene too, like like ohyou know what, this is a great
scene or like a horrible scene,like not horrible and like it's awful,

(59:54):
but like horrible and like, ohmy god, it's so dramatic. And
then they're like, let's thundercut itwith like the worst song cover we could
possibly pick, Like what do youthink that could be? What's next?
Like Nickelback? Like come on,I just like wonder Bol too. It's
not even that I don't like thatsong. It's just that that song is

(01:00:14):
so like mean me now, likeit's it's it's a joke in the same
way like Nickelback is a joke.So it's like, just don't like people
aren't they're gonna be like, ohit's wonder Wall Like they're not gonna be
like, oh, look, she'sfalling into a pedophiles trap, which is
what you want to take away fromit. It's just making me mad.

(01:00:37):
I'll stop. I'll stop now.Yeah. No, you know, it's
like it's funny with the with thedragula thing like it's it wasn't even that,
it was like the you know,the nature of of what the song's
about or anything. Because if thatsong we're played during like a a murder
scene or something, it would befine, you know, because it's like

(01:00:58):
it's an intense song. I mean, like the original version, because you
know, it's an intense song.Like the lyrics don't matter, it's it's
just it's an intense song. Butlike you know, you play it during
a car chase or like some violentscene or whatever, but don't just don't
make this beautiful, haunting cover ofa song about about driving Grandpa Monster's drag

(01:01:22):
car. It's and then play itand then play it during like such like
such a pivotal moment, such animportant moment, like the most important moment
in the show. It's it's weird. Yeah, it's like, I don't
know, if you threw it inwhile like Jamie's hammered or something, it's

(01:01:42):
like, oh okay, you're like, oh, you know, like you
can kind of just put it somewhereelse. So anyway, Joy Joy basically
tells Kate, run away, You'rejust gonna come back. Run Away,
to your friend's house, You're gonnacome back with your tail between your legs.
Of course, Kate doesn't go toa friend's house. She goes to

(01:02:07):
Martin Harris's house, and she comestheir crying. She says she unloaded the
secret and her mom hit her.He did. His intention was always to
have her end up back with himfor support. I don't think that he
necessarily thought, oh, that night, Kate will end up at my door

(01:02:30):
with the packed bag, but like, I think he did know that eventually
she would come back to him forhelp and support. I also think this
is like, I mean, hehas been grooming her from the get go,
so I mean he has insidious intentionsthis entire series, basically since he's
been introduced. But it's just likeit's especially cruel because like she was hit

(01:02:58):
by her mother. And also sohe's an assistant principle, so like of
all the adults who would know theproper response to handling a child who's just
been like, you know, hitby their parent and is running away.
He is a teacher, and that'slike training that they've received, and he's

(01:03:21):
still like acted so inappropriately, whichlike of course he did, but it's
just such a shame because like heis hypothetically the person who would have known
how to handle that situation. Yeah, so she says she has nowhere else
to go, and he lets herin. Yeah yeah, and you know,

(01:03:46):
like not to jump too far ahead, but what's that is there was
still there was still maybe a chancethat that it could have not gone the
way it Yeah. Yeah, it'slike, you know, what if she
had I was thinking about that earlier. I was like, what if she

(01:04:06):
had like made friends with Jeanette,you know what, I like, just
and not even saying that, it'slike, oh, if your friend ends
up in this situation, it's theother friend's fault, it's Jamie's fault,
it's to Neil's fault. Like it'sobviously not. They aren't to blame for
this. But you know, it'slike if she had had more of a
support team, if she had hadAshley, Like if she had been able

(01:04:30):
to go to Ashley, if shehad been able to just like I don't
know, go in the garage andtalk to Rod or like where the heck
did to Niel and Renee go,you know, like if any of those
people had been better to her,like she wouldn't have been completely alone,

(01:04:53):
which is just like it's so sadto see that she's so popular. But
again, it's like that's all sosuperficial because at the end of the day,
like who does she have? Shedoesn't have any support or like real,
genuine, real friends to help her. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

(01:05:14):
The ends of the nineteen ninety threetimeline is capped off with another flashback to
Kate in captivity with Martin and wesee she's eating as if she has been
starving. She's eating with her hands. I took this to mean that he
doesn't trust her with utensils. Imean, she definitely would have like tried

(01:05:40):
to stab him. I was lookingaround to the contents of her uh you
know, basement, and I waslike, m like, what could I
have done with some of those plasticbottles. I feel like I would have
like ripped them up and made theminto like some sharp shards, and like
I would have just broken the lastmirror. Yeah, that's that was the

(01:06:00):
other thing I was thinking. Iwould have broken the mirror and then taken
in. But yeah, so,uh it's a great panshot of like first
we're seeing just Kate eating like she'sso hungry. And then the camera moves
and we see just Martin's lower halfof his body like standing behind her,

(01:06:23):
watching her, And I really whathe says here is just so creepy.
I also feel like it does echokind of like a parental like an abusive
parental sentiment. He says, I'mthe person who keeps you clothed and as
comfortable as possible. I'm the personwho prepares your food, and you know,

(01:06:49):
he wants her to feel grateful forhim, And I just feel like,
even though we haven't heard Joyce saythose exact words words like, that
sentiment is definitely there of like youneed to have respect for me because I
do X, Y and Z foryou, So you know, it's like

(01:07:11):
I do think there is a littlebit of like a parallel of being,
Like, look at this abusive relationshipwith her parents or her mom specifically,
and then she tries to escape itand she ends up going to another abusive
relationship that is like so similar,you know, yeah, which like we'll
get into in the nineteen ninety fivetimeline too, Like I think there's a

(01:07:34):
lot there. I really thought thatKate might like throw the food or not
eat the food. When he saidthat, she pauses, but I mean,
she's just so hungry, like sheshe's gonna keep eating it. I
don't I don't blame her. Andhis final words of this scene are I

(01:07:57):
want you to remember exactly how youended up here, ah God, which
is like so so awful, andlike I'm you know, I don't want
to spoil anything, but I'm like, I wonder if he's referring to the
fight. I think he's referring toand that it's in this episode. I

(01:08:19):
think he's referring to the fight withher mom and hypothetically saying she was ungrateful
to the parents. But I thinkthat once we finish, there is another
read of that line that could haveanother intention. So I'm not I'm not

(01:08:39):
exactly sure which one. Yeah,yeah, it's you know, and it's
interesting because it's how she ended upthere isn't really clear cut because it's I
mean, I don't want to getyou know, like you said, but

(01:09:00):
I don't want to get ahead ofourselves. But I mean there's some there's
a lot of activity. There's alot of back and forth activity, you
know, like there's there are alot of events that happen that that could
have dramatically changed how things could havegone. Yeah, so that's not really

(01:09:29):
true, like whatever, whatever,none of it, none of it is.
You know, it's like how sheended up here? Is you locked
her in there? Yeah? Uphere? You know all this like brainwashing
and manipulation that he's trying to do. But I mean, like Kate says
it herself in nineteen ninety five,it's like her mom was also trying to

(01:09:53):
manipulate her. Yeah. Yeah,I mean even if like what he was
hinting at is that she was therebecause because she showed up after having a
fight with her mother, that's noteven true, just because like so much,
so much had happened since then,that like hmm, I mean yeah,

(01:10:15):
and if you haven't seen, ifyou haven't seen the show, you
know, you'll find out soon whatwe're talking about. But but uh yeah,
so I'll I'll jump into the ninetyfour timeline here. Wow, we
spent a lot of time on ninetythree. I mean it's a it's a
long, heavy timeline. I gota lot so so yeah, it's started.

(01:10:42):
The ninety four timeline starts with Kate'sKate's at her computer, she's in
her in her chat room talking withwith Berna key four aka Ashley. Yeah,
she's talking in how she can't eatafter Martin used food to control her.

(01:11:05):
Just then Rod and Joy come insinging Happy birthday to her, and
Joy tells her she has the bestbirthday present, which is the Martha the
Marsha Bailey Show wants her to bea guest. Like, that's not the
best birthday present. No, that'snot. Again the pony pony? Where

(01:11:25):
is the pony? Right? Exactly? By the way, I love Joy's
blouse in the scene. It's sonineties, Oh super nineties. But but
yeah, Rod, but I likeI like that Rod clarify. You know,
Rod has to be Rod in thescene. And he's like, but

(01:11:46):
only if you want it, andshe's like in k She's like, no,
I don't. And you know,Joy, Joy's Joe is pretty pushy
about it. She thinks that itmight help spread the truth, and Kate
just crawls back into bed and uand then they you know, they leave

(01:12:13):
then uh, then Mallory shows upin the door and Joy answers and she's
like, whatever you're selling, we'renot interested. And and then Mallorie Valerie
pops her head around the corner andshe's like, you came, and and

(01:12:35):
she pulls her into the house,and I think Joy's just Joy's deeply confused
that she her over so confused.I'm shocked. She doesn't say anything about
it for the Yeah, but Ithink she's like Kate just seems happy,
so it's like, okay, let'slet it go. Kate also seemed really

(01:12:56):
shocked to see Mallory there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so
this is like, you know,I guess their first real first time hanging
out. Yeah. And they goupstairs in her room and and Valorie is
just like kind of out of herelement, like admiring the lace bed skirts.

(01:13:24):
Yeah, I actually have that bedskirt, oh do you? Yeah.
We also it's not lace, it'seye lit. But okay, yeah
she doesn't. I had a bedskirt, but it was not lace.
It was it was it was actuallyI had like a I had a striped

(01:13:45):
bed skirt. I had a greenand white striped bed skirt. Yeah.
I have that exact one on mychildhood bed, and I have something similar
on my current bed. I'm prettysure it's like from Kmart. Also,
like I'm like It's funny because likewherever the production design team got it,
it's not like an Ethan Allen thing. It's like just standard. Yeah,

(01:14:14):
that's so funny. Road walks in. I love this. I love this
exchange so much. Oh so funny, I know it. Rod walks in
to ask Kate like what she wantsfor a birthday snack, and he introduces
himself to Mallory and she's like,yeah, I'm pretty sure the whole town

(01:14:34):
knows who you are. Yeah.She's like, I'm pretty sure the whole
country knows yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And she's like,
I'm Mallory and I love snacks.Yeah, I tried to make my nickname.
Hardly anyone knows who I am andI love snacks. Oh yeah,

(01:14:55):
hardly anyone knows who I am.Stream Yard told me it was too long.
I was like, darn, Ijust I loved that so much.
And uh so yeah, so hehe says, he's just he's gonna go
whip up a surprise. I justlove that. That exchange between Rod and
Mallory's so sweet. It also remindsme a lot of the exchange with Jeanette's

(01:15:24):
dad when they went to his officeand oh, Malory just starts like blurting
out that like her father is likea deadbeat dad. You know, it's
just so so funny, like hardlyanyone knows who I am. It's like
that's what she chose to share withrad Yeah, yeah, that's so funny.

(01:15:47):
But uh yeah, Mallory's like kindof a little floored that to find
out it's Kate's birthday and she's whoshe invited over. She's like she you
know, she seems a little likekind of kind of freaked out but flattered
at the same time. Yeah,that's what I thought. She must be

(01:16:08):
so flattered, which, like,you know, it's so funny. What
a hard time she gives Janette forlike becoming a popular girl, because it's
like, once she's getting a tasteof this, she loves it. Yeah,

(01:16:29):
so it's like, oh, girl, you know exactly what it's like
to be hanging out with a populargirl like she just happens. The difference
is Kate is on a downswing,which I mean, you know that's not
right or fair or like whatever.You know, she's going through a hard
time, but it's like that's theonly difference. But like you're being so
judgmental about Janette, kind of likepicking up a new friend group and becoming

(01:16:53):
popular when it's like and it's okayfor you to be here. It's just
so hypocritical. Well that's a thing. I mean, if if Kate weren't,
like, if Kate were in abetter place, I don't know that
Mallory might be as inclined to beyour friend, you know what I mean,

(01:17:13):
Totally. I don't think Mallory wouldbe friends with her if she wasn't
going through what she was going through. Yeah. Yeah, But like that's
also very like insidious in its ownway, like that you're like, okay,
well I will be friends with thisperson who I used to talk so
poorly about because she's experienced a majortrauma. It's like, well, that's

(01:17:39):
like demented in its own way,you know. See. I think it
could also just be that maybe Mallorybecause we know that we don't know a
lot about Mallory and other than thefact that she said she's got a deadbeat
dad, and you know, hermom smokes pot a lot, which nothing
against pot swalkers. I mean,I I smoke pot too, but like

(01:18:01):
her mom smoked pot a lot,which were very anti parents smoking weed on
Cruel Summer. There's there's a lotof hothead parents on this show, right,
But it's just like it just makesme think that, you know,
if if a child is that awareof their parents smoking pot, it makes
me think that there's maybe some neglectthere on that parent's part. And so

(01:18:27):
like it makes me think that maybemaybe Mallory is just attracted to, like
attracted to people with difficulties or traumabecause that's what she can relate to,
you know what I mean, Itotally get you. I also think maybe

(01:18:51):
like compared to Vince, which wedon't really know the full extent of Vince's
home situation, but like compared toVincent Jeanette's family dynamic, maybe she likes
not being like the most dysfunctional.Yeah that too, So yeah, I
think that's I mean, I thinkthat's very possible. Like I you know,

(01:19:15):
because I think about like, youknow, I can't I can't really
comment on I can't really comment onthat from a from a personal perspective.
But you know, like I madethe comment before on like the type of
media that I like to consume,Like I like watching I watch almost entirely

(01:19:36):
fucked up shit. Like I likedark TV shows and movies. I don't
like heartwarming stuff because like I havea lot of, like my life a
lot of difficulties, and I don'tlike watching people that have it worse than

(01:19:59):
me. Is fucked up as itsounds, makes me feel better. Yeah,
but I mean, but that's differentthan like if you were like,
oh, this person, like Ihate this person and then this person like
suffers like a horrifying tragedy and you'relike, actually, like we're gonna be
friends. I feel like, butyou know what, I don't think she
was seeing her as a person before, you know what I mean, that's

(01:20:23):
a really good point. I thinkshe was just seeing her kind of like
Ashley was seeing her, which islike just a representation of everything that she
hated. Yeah, that's like likethe pretty people, you know, like
like everything that she'll never have,and now she's not that anymore, and

(01:20:47):
so it's like she's so she's humanizedher, you know what I mean.
I still don't I still think thatthere's manipulation on Mallory's part, but I'm
still not sure that it's a conscientioustype of manipulation, if that makes any

(01:21:11):
sense, you know, what Imean. No, I I understand you
did semi redeem Mallory in my head. I hear you, I feel you.
I definitely do think though, thereis truth in what Joyce said to
Mallory in episode four when she waslike, I think you like that she

(01:21:33):
needs you. Yeah, that's whatI'm saying about, like the manipulation.
Yeah exactly. Yeah, there's definitelya little bit of that too. Yeah,
yeah, for sure. I'm justnot sure how aware of it she
is, you know. Yeah,that's a good point. Yeah, so

(01:21:54):
yeah, so they so yeah,so Malory is like kind of freaked out
and and shocked and flattered all atthe same time. But she uh,
she also, like Kate mentions,you know, since Rod said he was

(01:22:15):
going to whip up some snacks.Kate mentions that she really doesn't have much
of an appetite, and Mallory saysthat she's got a remedy for that.
It's so funny, like she haspot like literally on her person. Yeah
yeah. Also, like, doyou think they like smoked because her mom
had joints. Her mom had jointsand like flower, so it's like there's

(01:22:39):
no way that they could smoke ajoint in that house and like not have
everyone smell it. It had tohave been edibles or the show is just
kind of like fabricating everything. Imean yeah, I mean even if they
like open the window, it's stilllike I would reek yeah, yeah,

(01:23:02):
yeah, I mean it's yeah,it's it's way too strong to yeah,
but uh yeah. So we thensee we then see Kate in her doctor's
office and she's trying to remember whothe hell Annabel is and she doesn't.

(01:23:30):
She doesn't remember, she doesn't rememberwho Annabel is, and she's she's kind
of freaking out, and Kate justlike puts a stop to it. She
uh. We then later see herfinally eating some nachos with Mallory. So

(01:23:53):
you know, the plot, theplot clearly worked, and you know she
she had isn't like she hasn't beenthat happy about food in a long time.
Yeah, which is cool. Ashleywalks into wish her a happy birthday
and notices that they're high comments onit. We immediately I'm like, okay,

(01:24:16):
here's I There's no way that everyoneunless her eyes, which they were
not and maybe should have been.Those girls should have had bloodshot red eyes,
especially if they took edibles. Theireyes should be like crimson bread.
But if their eyes aren't red,like they're just giggling eating nachos, Like

(01:24:41):
you just know she's high from that. I'm like, everyone's suspecting she's stone
way too quick because she probably smelledit. Oh, I mean yeah,
but if they took edibles, itwouldn't smell. Oh well yeah, if
you take out animals. Yeah,but but yeah, she said that she's

(01:25:01):
not gonna nark because she dabbles.Yeah. Yeah, she's in college.
She's about to trap. Yeah,of course, and Mallory invites her to
watch a movie, but uh,you know, she's she's kind of hesitant,
but but Kate's like whatever, it'sjust a movie. So like ash

(01:25:26):
just like, okay, that's cool. It's so sweet how happy Ashley is
when she sees her eating. Yeahyeah, I know, I know.
I'm really happy that these two arelike getting along. Yeah. They all
go to Rent tonight to get somemovies and Vince. It's it's so funny

(01:25:53):
because like, I just I loveVince's greeting, like his his very you
know, he's he's just seems waytoo happy to be working there. He's
like, yeah, looking to readtonight and then he realize is you know
it's it's mallorying Kate and he's like, weird, yeah, and you know,
he says it's pure Twilight Zone,like your your your tag, like

(01:26:15):
your tag implies she uh. Shereminds him that she's still friends with Janette,
which I don't think she is.Well, I think she meant it
more like, well, your friendswith Jeanette, like I can have other
friends. Oh okay. That's whenI took that to be Oh okay,

(01:26:36):
gotcha. And he's like, well, Jeanette's like my childhood best friend.
That's like unchanging. You just likepicked up Kate. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, okay yeah and uh yeah. And so Ashley and Kate are are
looking through movies and they pick oneout. They're watching the movie and Malory

(01:27:01):
comments, I love that. ButMalory comments that she's a fan of the
Wallace Girls. Yeah, it's sosweet. I was like, no,
it was so funny when they werepicking up movies and they're like this one
looks oldie, timy and weirdy cool. Yeah, but also there is no

(01:27:24):
way I it is so funny tome when writers are like, oh you
know what this teenage character wants towatch this black and white silent film from
the eighteen nineties. Yeah, thereis no way on God's green Earth that
those three girls would pick out thatmovie. If anything, they would pick

(01:27:48):
out the cabinet of doctor Callaghari.They would not pick up whatever it is
that they are watching. I wentto college for writing for film and TV,
and I had a media like historyclass and we had a lecture period,

(01:28:11):
and then we had a screening period, and the screening period was at
night, and it was literally likefrom the start of cinema to like nineteen
forties. Those movies are so boring. And I literally I come with like
a thirty two ounce of sweet teabecause I also wasn't you know, you

(01:28:33):
know me, I don't drink andI wasn't drinking coffee either, No alcohol,
no coffee. That by the bythe end of freshman year, though,
oh my god, I drank somany of those Starbucks frappuccino things,
like the canned ones. Anyway,they're so boring. Those movies are so

(01:28:54):
awfully boring, especially the black andwhite movies. Like I would I would
literally fall asleep, and I didnot ever intend to fall asleep in those
screens, I would fall asleep likenobody's business. Like, yeah, it's
just so funny when like they havelike modern characters watching a movie from literally

(01:29:16):
like almost a hundred years ago.It's like they're not watching that. If
they're watching an old movie, it'slike from the sixties. Sorry, but
like that's yeah, yeah, no, totally, totally no, you're right,
Yeah, it's it is weird.It's it's like it makes no sense.

(01:29:43):
But uh, and I'm surprised.I'm surprised they're not watching Clerks.
Yeah, why not? But uhbut yeah, she you know, Malory
says that she's a fan of theWallace Girls and and and Kate says,
well, hopefully not all of them. And you know, she says that

(01:30:05):
she talks about Joy wanting her togo on on the Marsha Bailey Show,
and and Ashley it was like,you know, she's been really insensitive and
she, uh, it's like ityou know, maybe you were right about
her all along. And Ashley's like, you know, or maybe we just

(01:30:27):
both had really unrealistic expectations, whichis it. Really it was a cool
scene, you know, it's sucha great scene. And I also think
there is so much like wisdom andtherapy in that line. Maybe we both
had unrealistic versions of her. Ilike, I was like, wow,

(01:30:49):
that is that is so insightful andmature way of looking at it, because
I mean as much as we're likewe don't like Joy like rightfully, So
I mean we'll get into in nineteenninety five, Like I do think like
Kate, Kate and Ashley Ashley previouslydid it like kind of like like sit

(01:31:15):
and stew and how much she hatedJoy when it's like, well, you
know what Joy is, how sheis. She's not gonna change, and
I think Ashley has come to acceptthat and Kate hasn't. Kate hasn't at
all, and I don't think shedoes in nineteen ninety five either, which
I'll talk about that later. Yeah, So as they're as they're watching,

(01:31:47):
you know in the movie, they'rewatching this woman's running from this man,
and Kate like gets very highly triggeredand she's just like, she's like,
why isn't she running faster? Andshe just goes into like just a full

(01:32:08):
on panic attack and she's just likescreaming at the TV. He's gaining on
you run, you know, justscreaming at this this character to run faster,
and it's it's really like it's it'sreally freakish to watch, but yeah,
it's yeah, it's it's weird.I didn't know how to feel about

(01:32:33):
that, Like I don't want tojudge. I I don't know. I
don't know, Like I don't knowif this whoever wrote this scene, you
know, for all I know,they could have written it from experience or
talking to somebody who had experience withwith similar pt but it seems like a

(01:33:05):
really strange response to me. Idon't know. It's like, dude,
did you what did? What didyou think about that? I feel like
they were trying to capture that momentof like when she was dancing in the
car lights and then gets like triggered, like kind of like yeah, like

(01:33:26):
just gets triggered, but it justdidn't quite I don't know, it didn't
it Also like I feel like ifI saw that in front of me,
because she just the the like bodylanguage of it all and the delivery.
And I'm not saying it's like OliviaHolt's performance, because I don't think it's
that either, but something about thatscene definitely feels off. Ashley also is

(01:33:50):
like, oh, it's like becausewe're high. It's it's because you're high,
and it's stone paranoia, which like, well, like have they been
h like are they still high?Like I guess like presumably they are,
and maybe that's the explanation for it, but it's like that's not what a
high paranoid person acts like. Andthey're not acting as if they are high

(01:34:15):
either. Yeah, yeah that's true. So yeah, something something like didn't
jive for me exactly there. Yeah, yeah, I don't, like,
I don't know, it just didn'tyou know, just as somebody who just
speaking as somebody who has PTSD andwho has triggers, and like, it

(01:34:38):
just seems like a really strange response. And obviously we're not a monolith and
we all respond differently to different triggers. But I mean, I think the
normal response would would be kind ofa shut down, you know, or
like you know, we'd would likewhat I would expect her, The way

(01:34:59):
I would expect her to react isto like just zone out or leave the
room or be like guys can wantto watch something else or you know,
just not just like almost start feelinglike the movies real, Yeah, it

(01:35:20):
just I don't know, it justseemed really strange to me. But uh
so, anyway, where where didI? Okay? Yeah, so so
yeah, it's uh they you know, they talk about they talk about you

(01:35:41):
know, her her PTSD and Mallory, like Malory tells her she's she's gotta
take off because she's starting a newjob at the roller rink and Joy wants
to talk about the mare Sha Bailey'sshow, but you know, Kate is

(01:36:02):
still adamant that she's not doing it. Joy Joy keeps trussing her about it,
but Kate starts laughing and remembering MarkSha Bailey's interview with Miss Piggy.

(01:36:23):
Yeah, one of my one ofmy beloved parts of this episode. That
is such a funny part because it'slike they genuinely have a laugh together about
it. But then Kate keeps likeshe's like in a fit of laughter,
and then Joy is like, oh, you're stoned, which again, like

(01:36:44):
you would not realize that she's stonefrom that. I'd just be like,
oh, she's laughing. Weird.I don't know, I don't know,
maybe I'm just like naive Pamela,But oh no, this happens all the
time in my house. Yeah,but like what would a parent that quick
be like, oh, you're high? Well, okay, in my case

(01:37:10):
it's my husband. But like youknow, I I mean, I always,
I like I laugh a lot naturally. Yeah, but if I'm laughing
like just a little bit too muchas something completely ridiculous, like you know,
like the Hong Kong Foolie and HomeDepot, He's immediately like, oh,

(01:37:36):
no, you're high arty, that'sso funny. But uh yeah,
so so I yeah, I Irelated to that. Just let her be
stone, you guys are getting alongfor ones, just like let her be
high, you actually might get alongbetter. Right. Yeah, She's like,

(01:38:01):
it's not a good look. Likewhat I mean, it's it's more
like less like it's not a goodlook. It's more like it's illegal.
You're a child, Like don't don'tdo drugs. Kids. It's like,
come on, She's in her houselike alone, like right, so she's
eating for the first time, laughingfor the first time, like I don't

(01:38:21):
know checks and balances, you know, yeah for sure. Yeah, And
and Kate just like basically just goesoff on her and tells tells Joy to
leave her alone. So her birthdaydoesn't so so she doesn't make her birthday
suck as much as it does lastyear. Yeah. Ouch, well I

(01:38:44):
mean it was a rough one.Yeah, yeah it was. So Rod
brings Kate the more food and hetells her he'd started cooking after she went
missing because it helped him cooke,it helped him helpe, and he just
he started baking a lot, andJoy was giving away the muffins at church.

(01:39:06):
I'm like, yeah, he's exactly. It's like, Okay, he's
a professional football player. He's aloyal husband that literally worked through his wife
cheating on him. And he alsocooks, and I mean he brought her
out cookies, so obviously he bakestoo, so he cooks and bakes also,

(01:39:28):
Like okay, couldn't you like justtotally see like he's a retired football
player, like he would absolutely havesome kind of like cooking show, like
like you know, like oh likecooking with Rod. They put like Rod
and like a Martha Stewart type,you know what I mean. Like he's
like one of those things like Iwould love to see like Rod's cooking show.

(01:39:49):
I hope that's what I hope that'swhat modern Rod is doing. He
has like a TV deal and heis like a little a little like TV
cook. He's like his own RachelRay. You know, now you know,
you know what, you know whathappened with Rod? He and Joy
ended up getting divorced and they andsomeone did a reality show. Oh my

(01:40:13):
god, with like an older anolder bachelor. That's so funny. Oh
wouldn't that be funny if he waslike he was like the Bachelor. Yeah,
yeah, he's like celebrity bachelor orsomething, and like all the women
show up and to meet him,and he's like he's giving them all.
He's giving them all muffins. Angelais one of them. Yes, God,

(01:40:43):
I need to see it, likefree Form, you need to give
me this. I need to seehow everyone's doing. Like I'm way too
invested, like got some got somelittle loopholes that need to get filled in.
Yes exactly, we're yeah, yeah, come on free Form. We're
shipping Rangela. Uh, give usa give us a present day cruel summer

(01:41:04):
update. But so so yeah,you know, Kate Kate is you know,
still talking about not wanting to goon the Marsh The Marsha Bailey Show,
and Rod says that he thinks itcould be the right move. Kate

(01:41:30):
thinks that he's he's always taking Joy'sside, and he says that he admits
that he did before because he thoughtthat, like he thought that Joy should
call the shots with her daughter,but she's always been his daughter since the
day he met her. And hesaid he won't forget himself for not making

(01:41:56):
that clear last year, and uh, you know, he he just gets
really emotional and and she asks him, like how we managed to forgive to
forgive Joy, and it's like hebasically just says, like, losing Kate
was like an earthquake, so everythingelse was a speedbump, and they you

(01:42:23):
know, she she wants his shewants his opinion on the Marsha Bailey Show,
and he basically just says like hedoesn't want her to discredit it,
just because it's Joy's idea, whichis smart, which is good advice.
And Joy comes in and tells themto turn the TV on and why why

(01:42:44):
did she have to do that?Yeah, I know he did not need
to see that report on TV,Like, I just know that was a
little unnecessary. And she interrupted sucha nice moment, of course because she
was eavesdropping. Yeah, probably,but boling Green was reporting that Kate was

(01:43:05):
not the first minor that that Martinhad his eye on, and an unnamed
teen from Widow Falls was saying thatshe had a near miss with Martin before
he moved to Skyland. I like, you know, we talked about this
in the after party, about likeabout what you know, about what Kate

(01:43:36):
like was thinking about this girl asfar as like her not her, thinking
that this girl was potentially making thingsup. M h. And you know,
my like, some people thought thatmaybe she thought that this girl was

(01:44:00):
just trying to like get some gether fifteen minutes of fame on on the
backs of victims, and like somethought that she was that perhaps it was
that Kate, you know, perhapsKate. It was a situation where Kate
was defending Martin, and I hadmentioned that I was kind of fifty fifty

(01:44:23):
until I, like, I waswatching something about grooming and saw that I
saw some statistic about how like themajority of grooming victims still continue to defend
their groomers afterward. So I thinkthat might be what Kate was doing when
she was basically accusing this girl oflying. That's fine too, Yeah,

(01:44:47):
But on the other hand, theyreally didn't really. They didn't really like
reveal a whole lot of details.They just said a near miss. So
who knows. I mean, forall we know, like it could be
somebody like trying to get some publicityfor themselves. Who knows. You know,
No, I wonder if it wassomething that was cut from the storyline,

(01:45:12):
because I do think it's interesting thatwe get like Jeanette stealing the Widow
Falls yearbook, and then this ismentioned and then it just kind of like
doesn't go anywhere. Yeah. Ialways thought it would be a bigger story
too. Yeah, so I kindof I'm kind of surprised. I feel
like something might have been cut therealso could have incited his move to the

(01:45:36):
town in the first place. Yeah, that's what I assume. That's uh
so what's uh sorry, I likelost my place here. Okay, So
yeah, the Wallas is. Yeah, they turned the TV off, and

(01:45:57):
you know, Rod's just wondering howmany how many people he got to and
and Kate's basically just saying that shefinds it unfair that this team is trying
to equate what happened with her towhat happened with Kate. But like she
and you know, she says it'slike a wild exaggeration, and which prompts
Joy to ask how she knows that, and it's like she's she really is

(01:46:21):
jumping to a lot of conclusions herebecause they didn't really say a whole lot
right, And like Kate reveals thatMartin told her about the girl, but
it wasn't anything special, just himhelping the girl after class, and you
know, he was just her tutorand this girl shouldn't come out of the

(01:46:42):
woodwork as as it's wrong, andyou know, and of course Joy has
to jump in again and be likeyou should go on the Marsha Bailey Show
to tell the truth. Joy usedgot his ammunition to further get her agenda.
You know, so annoying. It'sso annoying. But so you know,

(01:47:04):
we we see, like we seeJoy and Rod together and she's expressing
she's happy that Kate's not dismissing theMarsha Bailey Show just because it's her idea,
and Rod's encouraging her to say what'son her mind and Joy Joy states

(01:47:27):
that you know, she's her mother, and Rod rebots that he's her father,
and he's like, I love you. You know you had an affair.
We worked through it. We foughttooth and nail to work through it.
But if you imply one more timethat Kate is not mine, because

(01:47:53):
she's not my biological daughter, wewill not survive at And uh yeah,
and I, like I mentioned inour after party, I think that's a
big part of I think that's abig part of like why they're still together.
Like, I think he had toomuch to lose because if he had

(01:48:16):
left her because she cheated on him, I mean, like she could have
she could have kept Kate from him. Yeah, but so and also I
think, I mean, I thinkhe also probably would want to like just

(01:48:44):
because of the kind of guy heis, he probably would just would want
to keep taking care of them anyway. Yeah, you know, so,
yeah, I could totally see him. I could totally see him wanting to
work out until she's eighteen. Then, yeah, exactly, So that's why

(01:49:09):
we need an update. Exactly.So then, uh, the Ashley and
and Derek in fed together And ohthis is that's nineteen ninety five. Oh

(01:49:30):
wait, that's ninety five. I'msorry, Wait, get this waits at
the end of the ninety four timeline. Yep, yeah, okay, it
is yeah, sorry, okay,I screwed up my notes there my dad.
No, you're all right, You'reall right. So nineteen ninety five,
this time, Mallory is waking upKate their like pot hungover Mallory which

(01:49:56):
is her happy birthday and says istheir friend versary. That she's even acknowledging
that it's her friend versary. Ifeel like, you know, it's very
it's a special day for them too. In addition to it being her birthday,
Kate is going through therapy tapes.Mallory doesn't encourage this. I think

(01:50:18):
this is rightfully, so it's like, yeah, don't do this on your
birthday, Like that's like hard emotionallabor. Kate, you know, says
well, like the lawyers aren't stopping, so like why should I. Basically
on the tape, Kate can't recallwho Annabelle is, and she's talking to

(01:50:42):
Mallory about it, saying like she'sso frustrated, like she just can't remember
this. I do think that Mallorydoes having an ulterior motive for why she
doesn't want Kate looking too deeply intoher memory, But Mallory says, don't
worry about it, girly I gota surprise plan for you. So they

(01:51:06):
go downstairs run into Joy. Joyis bringing up something about the lawyers,
and Mallory tells her that she isthe keeper of Kate's birthday and Kate won't
be talking about anything legal today,which is very cute sweet. So Mallory

(01:51:28):
blindfolds Kate, and Kate tells herthat Mallory's the only person she would trust
to blindfold her. I think thatis definitely true, Like that could have
been so triggering that I was kindof like surprised, but you know,
I think it shows how much trustshe has in Mallory and how important Mallory

(01:51:53):
is to her life. So Mallorytakes her to this roller rink so that
they can skate alone. And becauseshe has been promoted to the new assistant
manager. So I guess she's beenworking there a year now, so she

(01:52:14):
got a promotion. So the promotioncame with a set of keys. I
kept thinking about, like what ifyou're what if like they just have cameras
and they're like, our new assistantmanager is just like skating in here all
night long, right, So souh, it's it's very cute, like

(01:52:34):
today is playing but it's a coverby Olivia Hole. I think it's a
really good choice. Right here they'regoing through what I thought was lost and
found bin. But it also justmight be like fun decor. They're putting
on feather boas and like having agood time. There's a really great shot

(01:52:57):
of them standing on top of theshoe counter basically and uh like Mallory is
like reaching down for her hands andit's it's completely framed by like all the
sets of shoes around them. Itjust looks really cool. It's so funny

(01:53:18):
because Mallory, even though she worksthere, apparently she does suck at skating,
but she's still better than me atit. So like if if Kelly,
if you like, blindfolded me andtook me there, that would be
like a nightmare situation for me.I would I would not be like holding
your hands in the middle of therink, because one I would take you

(01:53:41):
down. I've I told the peopleon the after party. I went to
a roller rink birthday party. Ipaid to rent the skates. I go
to stand up. My boyfriend andanother guy like each have one of my
hands to help me stand up,and I brought both of them down and
so then I literally just like tookoff the skate. I was like,

(01:54:03):
there's no way I'm getting into arink with like a bunch of people,
and like I would need a walker. That's what like if I if I
was in this scene, I wouldhave a walker and I'd be like trailing
like ten feet behind them. That'sso funny. I yeah. I meanwhile,

(01:54:27):
I would just be like, yeah, you'd be doing like circles around
me. I just go backwards,like, oh my god, just wild.
Yeah, it's it's really sweet sceneshe gives Kate a ring pop the
Egypt ring pops. Kate says itwas her best birthday ever, and you

(01:54:49):
know she wouldn't be in such ahealthy place if it wasn't for Mallory,
And I mean I think that's true. Yeah. Yeah. They get home
after skating, and I guess,like Joy kind of has like a laundry
bit of stuff they're getting rid of, and one of the things is a

(01:55:12):
printer. Mallory's like, oh,I could really use a printer. Can
I have it? Kate says sure, She's going through the printer realizes it's
just it's so funny also to thinkthat a jam piece of paper got in
there, and Joy was like,great, let's throw it out. She
wasn't even going to fix the printer, all right. She discovers there's a

(01:55:38):
jam piece of paper in there,and it's the liar paper. So Mallory
breaks their own balls about not talkingabout any of this and like has to
show it to Kate. Obviously.Oh okay, here's here's strapping guys,
stay with us. This is wherewe're about to make get a three hour

(01:56:00):
podcast. So Kate comes downstairs toconfront Joy. Okay, So Kate,
you know, confronts her about thenote. The part that I really loved
here is Kate says that Joy wasmanipulating her, not protecting her. I
mean, I think that's true.I think that like society standards of like

(01:56:27):
what's okay for parenting and like whento step in and not step in,
and especially like the age of likethis is like primo like about to hit
the time of like helicopter parenting too. I think this is a really excellent
point. I think it's something thatyou only really learn from therapy. So
I think like all of this tracks. She says, my therapist said Martin

(01:56:54):
was grooming me from the moment hemet me, I keep thinking, why
me? My whole life, you'vebeen toted me around like a handbag.
I believed everything you said, Idid everything you asked. The moment I
questioned you, you tore into me. So sad, but it's so it's
so true. I mean, thinkback of all the nineteen ninety three timeline

(01:57:17):
scenes of Joy and Kate together.Kate, it's not her fault. Like
she's a child. She's like asponge, you know what I mean,
just like soaking up whatever joy givesto her. And I mean that's like
that's what it is to be achild. Like it's it's not up to
her like to be like, hey, maybe my mom doesn't have my best

(01:57:41):
interest at heart. You know.It's like no child thinks that about their
parents, so you know. AndI think it goes back to that awful
birthday in nineteen ninety three and thatterrible, terrible fight. To me,
if I was a therapist, whichI'm not, but if I was,
I would say what I've mentioned earlier, like I feel like this conversation was

(01:58:06):
a lot of confirmation of my suspectedthoughts earlier, which is I think Kate
was enmeshed with her mother. Ithink Joy used Kate as more of a
friend than a daughter and a confidant, but only when it suits her,

(01:58:26):
So you know, she'll make theseinappropriate comments about like getting turned on by
Billy Ray Cyrus music, or likeI need to stay hot, or your
dad might cheat on me. It'slike all this stuff that like a child
really like should not hear. Butthen when Kate does something wrong, she's
scolded, like very strictly like parentdaughter relationships. So it's like Joy only

(01:58:51):
has this friend dynamic when it suitsher, and when it doesn't, she
turns it off, and you know, just is very cruel to Kate.
And it's it's common for people thatare enmeshed with a parent because of that

(01:59:13):
dynamic, it's common for them toturn into people pleasers and be kind of
like open to kind of like lettingjust having no boundaries. Basically it's a
boundary thing. So that also makessense with the next sense she says,
which is you raise me to beblindly obedient, trusting, and he took

(01:59:38):
that but utied him up. It'sI mean, it's exactly like I just
feel like that really like proved whatI kind of suspected all along, and
I just think this is such alike really great episode of like a mother

(01:59:58):
daughter dynamic that you know. Ifeel like there's there's like Ladybird or like
Mommy Dearest, but there's not reallya lot that shows and like everything everywhere
all at once, you know,but there's not a lot of content that
shows like an unhealthy mother daughter dynamic. It's like you either have like Ladybirds,

(02:00:23):
which are like, oh well,things are complicated, and also like
this daughter is kind of an assholebecause she's a teenager. It's like okay,
sure, but then you have likeeverything everywhere all at once, which
it's written by Emerson. Guys.I went to Emerson, and I really
feel like I can tell that itwas written by a guy. I love

(02:00:45):
that movie. But everything's like tiedup nice with a little bow and mommy
and daughter are all good and everything'sgood by the end of it. And
it's like that's that is never howthat goes, but like that's not how
that goes. Uh, you haveto live with your pain forever. It's
a chronic. It's like a chronicillness, you know, like having a

(02:01:06):
dysfunctional like family relationship like that itnever gets mended from one conversation, like
come on, and then you havelike Mommy Diarist, which is like the
most extreme version of like parent abuse. And I feel like you just don't
see the in between of like,oh, well, like I this is

(02:01:27):
abuse, but it's not like Imean, she was hit once, but
like it's not kind of like thelike child psa like parent abuse that I
feel like you see earlier. It'slike more emotional and it's more socially acceptable.

(02:01:47):
It's it's it's a it's a typeof it's a type of parenting that
is easily do so wrong because it'snot easily recognized as wrong by anybody.

(02:02:11):
Like it's not easily recognized by thechild is wrong. It's not easily recognized
by the parent is wrong. It'snot easily recognized by society is wrong.
And this is exactly And I getso emotional about this because the dynamic that
that Kate and Joy have, it'slike it reminds me so much of the

(02:02:34):
dynamic that my mother and I had, and you know, and and she
was like she was very much likethat. I mean we were at one
point in my life. I meanI remember like it was normal for me

(02:02:57):
to like all her three or fourtimes a day, and she like,
you know, like hate mentioned inthe scene. She she's the reason that

(02:03:18):
she's the reason for some of mymy best traits, but they're not traits
that I necessarily wish that I possessed. Yeah that makes any sense. Yeah,
No, I do understand. Idefinitely like identify as a people pleaser.

(02:03:40):
And it's like people will be like, well, you're so kind,
and it's like it's because I haveno boundaries. I'm limit to stopping myself
and it eats me alive. Yeah. I always tell people, like I
describe like, yeah, I havea problem with boundaries too very much,

(02:04:00):
and I always describe it to people. It's like, basically, I have
what I describe as toxic empathy.You know. I mean it's it's toxic.
It's not toxic to anybody but myself, but it's you know, that's
that's kind of what it is,because that's like what I was kind of

(02:04:23):
programmed to be, Like yeah,yeah, I mean it's it's really hard.
There is a really excellent book calledAdult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents.
It's a great resource if like anyonelistening to this like identifies with this relationship,

(02:04:45):
Like definitely check it out, definitelylike talk about in therapy. Yeah,
I just think I just think thisshow like nailed something that you don't
see very often and isn't talked aboutenough. And also the other thing is
like Joy doesn't intentionally say, oh, like I'm really gonna get her this

(02:05:11):
time, I'm gonna mess up mydaughter. It's like no, she It's
like it's a cycle, you know, and like God only knows what it
was like for Joy when she wasa kid, and like all the other
trauma that is unprocessed and it's acycle, and it's continually thinks she thinks
she's doing the best job she can, like raising a respectable daughter. Like

(02:05:39):
I mean, it's you hear allyour life, Like you know that the
best thing to do is to bekind to others and to be you know,
and that is kindness is like kindnessis so important, Compassion is so
important. Empathy is so important,but so is protecting yourself, and you

(02:06:01):
you have to you have to putthose things as equal. But it's like
parents never thought about that when theywere teaching their children too to be kind
to others. And to respect,to respect authority figures, and like,
respecting authority figures no matter what iswhat leads to to wild in the listation,

(02:06:27):
you know, I mean, andto grooming. And it's like we're
finding all this out now, andyou know it's I fellow Hilary Burton on
social media and she posted this greatvideo that I just loved it was it
was so cute and funny. Soshe's married to Jeffrey and Morgan and they

(02:06:51):
have they have two kids together,and she posted this video of of hidling
bed with their daughter when her daughterwas like I don't know, I think
she was like maybe two, andthey were watching TV and like her daughter
is like just latches on him andlike it's just very much attached to him.

(02:07:16):
And they were watching TV and shewas she was filming them. She
walked into the bedroom and she likeput the camera on them and she started
talking to her daughter and she likeI think she reached out to like stroke
her hair or something and and saidI think she said can I can I

(02:07:38):
join you guys? And the daughterwas like go away, and she captured
she posted it on social media andshe captured the video. She's like this
is behavior that I'm never going tocorrect. Yeah, it's like a kid

(02:08:00):
isn't entitled to be friendly to you, like the like because I'm your mother.
That's why kind of like you know, it's like it's not helpful,
it's not right, and you know, I hope like with time, like
people are going to break those cyclesand like figure out healthier ways to raise

(02:08:22):
children. Joy definitely, I meanshe she goes on to say, like,
you know, she never intended forit to be like this. Kate
also brings up the Marsha Bailey interviewis the reason she got sued, and
Joy's like, well, that's becauseyou went off book, and Kate replies,
well, that's because I'm not apuppet. Yeah, it goes back
to the earlier conversation. That isthe only scene that I would have loved

(02:08:46):
to have seen in this season.I would have loved to have seen the
day she got interviewed by Marsha Bailey. And maybe I'm literally like amnesia right
now and it is in there andI just totally forgot. But I think
you saw the immediate aftermath. Ohokay, okay saw the yea. Yeah,
I just I wish I wish wegot more of that, Yeah,

(02:09:09):
Joy. Joy says her piece,which is that she's the reason she wrote
the note, is not because sheis mad at Kate or hates Kate like
Kate thought. Joy is jealous thatKate forgave Rod, but not her.
She knew that. She says,ever since Kate was young, she needed

(02:09:31):
a bad guy, Which I'm like, what is that supposed to mean?
Like where where are the examples ofthat? Like when was Kate five years
old and needed a bad guy?Like, you know, it's a little
it's a little bullshit, yeah,frankly, but you know, Joy,
she's a dysfunctional person, but she'sdoing the best she can. She does.

(02:09:54):
She's basically saying that she's kind oflike the social justice warrior type,
like she has to like she hasto fight for something, like she's a
crusader. I don't know. Likeit's also she was like, well I
needed you to take the lawsuit.Seriously, I'm like, what what about
Kate made you think she wasn't takingthe lawsuits? Seriously? Yeah? She

(02:10:18):
it really seems like she was.So you know, I think this is
Joy's like misguided and interpretation of herown daughter. Honestly, I do like
what she says here. She saysshe couldn't protect her from Martin, but
she'll die trying to protect her fromeverything else. And Kate replies saying,
I miss you too. Oh god, so sad. Yeah, I was

(02:10:43):
such a like, I was justsuch a weepy mess during this whole scene.
Like the two of them just actedtheir asses off. Oh my god.
Just major props to them. Meanwhile, a little something to lighten the

(02:11:03):
mood. Ashley and Derek had sackedin that little dorm room. Yeah,
so they're like, yeah, wedid it. What's up? Ashley's like,
okay, like you're getting a littlepersonal. I'm gonna go take a
shower. Everyone be checking their emails. Ashley left the scene in the nineteen

(02:11:28):
ninety four timeline because she said shehad to go check her email. I'm
like, what what are you receiving? What's so urgent? I'm never like,
I gotta check my email right now, sorry, Kelly. Uh.
Derek's like, can I check myemail on your computer? She doesn't answer.
He does it anyway, opens upthe computer and it's their aim chat

(02:11:52):
with you know, miss Berniece.He scrols through it. It's bernicky I
don't. I don't recognize that it'sfor me to me. So he realizes
immediately it's Kate. He can tell, and so he starts printing. Uh

(02:12:16):
the chat. The sound the printermakes transported me in time. I was
like, prints do not sound likethat. When I heard that, I
was like, like it unlocked amemory for me. I'm like, man,
print just don't sound that clunky anymore. It's so funny. Good good
sound design this episode. Good goodjob, good jobs and too oh yeah,

(02:12:41):
the printer paper, I was likeknowing the Yeah, it's so funny.
The sheets hilarious. So one moretime for the Talented Mister Ripley,
Bill Purple's favorite movie of all time. Jeanette is reading The Talented Mister Ripley.

(02:13:01):
Of course she is. Again,Janette and Kate would be great friends.
They would have so much fun talkingabout the talent. The clerk's version
of what Kate and Mallory have.Janette and Kate would have had the Talented
Mister Ripley. They just watched iton loop. Yeah and with Isabella.

(02:13:22):
Yeah, oh my god, haveto with Isabella. Have you seen the
Talented Mister Ripley? Kate Kelly imstKate, I haven't now. Oh it
is a really good movie. It'sto me, it's very funny how much
they love this movie because when Iwas like fresh out of film school and
moved to LA I had a friendthat was like, man, you gotta

(02:13:46):
watch the talented mister Ripley, andwe had like a running joke about the
talented mister Ripley. It's just likevery random that uh that's in here.
I don't know. I feel ifthere's a lot of like liar like long,
long game lying movies of like thenineties that they could have picked.

(02:14:07):
It's it's just a very specific choice, and it's a really good movie.
But it's just like it doesn't likefit cruel summer per se. That's why
I'm like laughing at it so much. But of course Jeanette is reading a
book on someone who is a greatliar. She's learning from the best.

(02:14:28):
So Derek comes in and shows herthe chat and this line that Janette utters
to finish the episode threw me througha loop. The first time I watched
this show, I literally screamed atthe TV. Jeanette says, this changes

(02:14:52):
everything, and I'm like, okay, because my version what I was.
What I was hearing basically the firsttime I watched this is her being like,
oh, she wasn't kidnapped, whichis like no, like she still
was like that's still grooming. AndI was so like enraged that like it

(02:15:16):
was being discredited that I literally likeyelled at the TV. I was like,
no, he doesn't. But uh, but I get Jeanette's perspective.
You know. It means that Katelied about part of her story and then
that's like something for Jeanette's legal team, so like it changes things for her,

(02:15:41):
but it doesn't change history, youknow. I mean, yes,
yeah, yeah, I actually meantto and I totally forgot about it.
When we were covering Rural Summer seasontwo. You were talking about this during

(02:16:05):
one of our episodes and you weregoing off on it, and I actually
meant to include a clip of thatin this fun got that was one of
my most like watching Cruel Summer thatmade me the angriest. Yeah, And
it's funny because it doesn't. Itdoesn't make me angry now, you know,

(02:16:28):
But I feel like it's because Ihave the whole scope of the show
and also like I feel like maybethe first time I was watching it,
you know, I'd watched Cruel Summeras I was doing like falling asleep or
doing something else or like whatever.Now that like I was carefully paying attention
and like we have that great conversationwith Kate where she's like, hey,

(02:16:48):
my therapist said I was being groomedfrom the minute Martin met me. It's
like, I think the show dida really good job of like they're not
trying to disc credit her experience andbe like, well, she wasn't like
nabbed in the middle of the night, so it's not kidnapping, it's not
whatever. It's like, no,no, that's not what they're saying,

(02:17:11):
Like it doesn't change that. Yeah, and I and I don't think that,
you know, I don't necessarily thinkthat Jeanette would recognize like, Okay,
I I think the whole. Ithink the whole, like the metric
they have there is that it establishesthat Kate wasn't telling the truth, but

(02:17:37):
which which she wasn't right. ButI think that Jeanette, I think Jeanette,
you know, obviously that's on Jeanette'smind, but I think there is
there is like there is a likelihoodthat Jeanette is also thinking about the fact
that about thinking, I think there'sa likelihood that she's thinking of this as

(02:18:03):
a consensual relationship because she's the sameage. Yeah, she doesn't. She
can't see grooming, yeah, theway an adult can, you know,
totally, So I mean I thinklike she can't, she can't look at
it at the situation as clear headedas somebody as like her parents' age can.

(02:18:28):
But but yeah, like I mean, it's but yeah, they they
they have like her therapist saying,you know, telling Kate like it doesn't
matter, like there's nothing that youcould have done that would have made any
of this your fault or would havemade yeah, you complicit in any of
it. But but yeah, itit makes Jeannette feel like she has something

(02:18:52):
on her, which she essentially doesbecause they both shoot themselves in the foot.
Now it gets kind of blurry alongthe way as to why Kate is
lying about certain things. If she'sjust if it hit her memory is just

(02:19:15):
hazy, or if she's just scaredbecause she thinks that people but like,
look at this is that I willblame her because she was you know,
because she thinks that this was aconsensual relationship. I think I think the
I think it's a mix of both. You know, I'm curious to finish

(02:19:39):
the show and see how I feelabout it afterwards in regards to that,
But I definitely do think that sheis worried that if people knew that she
like walked into it, she showedup at his door, walked into his
house of her own accord, despitewhat her therapist has told her, that

(02:20:00):
people would blame her and say thatshe was asking for it or something like
to that degree. And you knowwhat, Unfortunately, I do think some
people would think that maybe not thelaw, maybe not police officers or like
a judge, but socially, youknow, let me tell you. I

(02:20:20):
remember, Okay, do you rememberthe thirteen year old that that thirteen year
old Jane Joe and that was goingto testify against Donald Trump? Mmm?
Or she was thirteen at the time. Oh, she wasn't thirteen. I

(02:20:43):
mean, she's not thirteen anymore.She was It was in the in the
Jeffrey Epstein case. Oh okay,yeah, she was thirteen at the time.
It was like a really violent sexualassault and she just mysteriously dropped out

(02:21:09):
in case. You know, I'msure we can all imagine what happened there,
m you wouldn't believe some of theship that I read online, people
calling her a slat and a horrorthirteen years old, thirteen it's wild.

(02:21:31):
Yeah, So so yeah, I'mI'm positive that, I mean, yeah,
absolutely, you know, people calledCourtney Shott in horror, like I
mean, they spoke people they'll dospeak terribly of of Courtney Shotten. Yeah.

(02:21:52):
And it also doesn't help that Martinis attractive and everyone in town thinks
he's attractive, you know, LikeI think that people will have this image
in their head of like, oh, creepy, scary pedophile like gross man,
and that's like not true, youknow. Yeah, yeah, I

(02:22:13):
mean if he, like if helooked if he if he looked like ten
years older than he did and waslike forty pounds overweight, and you know,
had bad skin and a receiving hairline, like unfortunately Kate probably would have

(02:22:39):
would have a better shot. Yeah, you know, that's that's the un
It's just the unfortunate truth, youknow, or or you know, or
if he was a person of color, you know, but unfortunately he's a
good look he's a good looking whiteman. Yeah. But but yeah,

(02:23:00):
it's yeah. I'm interested too tosee how to see how my opinion on
that develops, because it's I reallylike that they made I like when shows
do that, when they make thingsso when they make things so gray and
not so black and white, youknow what I mean. Like, I

(02:23:22):
like that they made them both dishonest. Yeah, so it's just it's just
interesting too. And I like thatthey didn't make it so clear cut that
Kate was just dishonest because her memoriesweren't trustworthy. It's like it's it was
very ambiguous. Yeah, I so, yeah, So I like that,

(02:23:45):
So it's gonna Yeah, I'm interestedto see how how my opinion develops that
as I continue to watch it.So when I looked at the fandom wiki
for this episode, I actually foundsome interesting behind the scene shots. Oh
okay, yeah, which they usuallydon't have, but they posted they have

(02:24:09):
some. They had some promo photosand some behind the scene shots, and
the photos were kind of cool.They like they look like this one kind
of looks like a movie poster.Skyland has moved on from Kate Wallace creepy.
Yeah, I just found something veryunpleasant imply that I'm not our daughter's

(02:24:35):
father just because blood doesn't relate usever again, baby, we will not
survive that. Who's Annabelle? Andthen here are the behind the scenes photos.
Yeah, obviously filming during the heightof the pandemic. Them all power

(02:24:56):
records five seven nine. Oh mygod, she's got a five seven nine
bag. That's amazing. Oh shelooks great there. Yeah, that's a
really cool photo. Sorry, ifyou're listening to this versus watching it,
Yeah, this is the visual portion, so you can probably tune out now

(02:25:22):
and then you know, maybe catchthis on our YouTube channel. And then
there's a joy filming in uh inthe house packing up. Look, you
can see, sorry, listeners,the closet obviously, so the shot is

(02:25:46):
supposed to look like it's her closet, right, So they removed the back
half of the closet. This isprobably a set or at least a house
that's been made for you know,filming, where the carpet line is basically

(02:26:07):
like the edge of her closet.I mean, if you look on the
walls, you can see where it'slike the carpet like it kind of stops,
and that that opens so that theycan make it look like it's like
closet POV. You know, yeah, yeah, totally. Oh that's hilarious.

(02:26:28):
Oh my god, I like notbeing able to Oh God, bless
him. That's crazy. I wouldnot be able to handle expensive equipment on
roller skates, and they're inline skates. I feel like that's even harder.
That's how the equipment too. Yeah, I would not be able to do

(02:26:48):
that. That's not Yeah, here'sthat. That's how he got his mouth,
uh purple for the for the that'soh maybe maybe. Oh wait,
that's uh, never mind, that'soh. And then quoto of Ashley s

(02:27:13):
Night's nineties look inspired by Leah Ilove it. Yeah, yeah, So
I just thought that was kind ofcool, So I thought I would share.
But did you have anything else thatyou wanted to share before we headed
out? Yeah, two quick things. I if you're in the Los Angeles

(02:27:35):
area, I have a comedy showthis Friday, September twenty nine at eight
pm at The Peak, which isright by Fox Studios, if you're around.
If you're not in Los Angeles,you can watch the comedy show on
Instagram Live. We'll be live streamingFriday at eight pm Pacific time on the

(02:28:03):
Instagram account Go Show Go Oat Shows h O w l A. Yeah,
I'll be hosting the show. It'sa lot of fun. It's a
variety show with a lot of reallyfun bits. Also, we want to
do a family Feud episode in honorof the Cruel Summer Family Feud Special,

(02:28:31):
and we want to do Cruel SummerCamp versus Antler Queens. So if you're
interested in participating in that, letus know, let us know what team
you want to be on. Ifyou're listening to this is probably Cruel Summer
right, maybe not, but letus know if you're interested in that,
because we're starting to get that teedup. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

(02:28:54):
Also, we have a the last, the final one of our planned podcasts
for the foreseeable future up up onour our YouTube and it should by the
time you get this, it shouldbe on the podcast apps. As we're
recording this, it's going up thisevening, so it'll definitely be on the

(02:29:16):
YouTube, but you know it,sometimes it can take a couple of days
for the apps uh to to goactive with it. But it is h
Blot Queens, a Wentworth podcast.Please check it out. Wentworth is an
amazing show, so if you've neverseen it, check it out. I
mean, you know, we're goingto be really respectable of spoilers and just

(02:29:39):
go week by week so you canjust watch right along with us. We're
not going to jump ahead, sowe're not going to refresh our memories on
the stuff, so like you know, we're gonna we're gonna try to forget
as much as possible. Also,uh, you know, we've been covering
the Daryl Dixon spin off and havinga lot of fun with that, So

(02:30:03):
check that out the Daryl Dixon Podcast, and we have an after show for
that on Sunday nights. It's areally short season. There's only three episodes
out right now, and there's onlysix episodes total. You don't need to
watch The Walking Dead to follow along. It's I mean, it's it's really

(02:30:24):
kind of it's an easy it's easilya standalone serious. Also, we've got
a new Reddit podcast, h BQueen's a Whole Queens and that there.
Our first episode went up last weekand I'm hoping to put another episode up
this week, so look for thatas well. I'm still trying to get

(02:30:48):
that on TikTok. But there's beensome kind of weird glitchy situation going on
with where can they watch it.Kelly isn't on Apple podcasts, the A
Hill Queen's is on all the sameit's all the same places that all of
our other podcasts are. So it'son YouTube and it's on all the podcast
apps. But I'm trying to getit on TikTok since the episodes are so

(02:31:11):
short that it's our it's the onepodcast we have that can be on TikTok.
But the for some reason, it'sTikTok is being really glitchy right now
and I keep getting errors, soI'm still waiting to hear back from support
on that. I'm not sure what'sgoing on there, but we're hoping to

(02:31:31):
get that added to TikTok really soon. And uh and then fortunately we don't
have you know, we don't haveany other podcast planned for the foreseeable future.
So we're going to be doing somebonus content for Yellow Jackets and and
Walking Dead and Curl summer. Ithink we will probably put we'll probably do

(02:31:58):
some Curl, some our bonus content, probably for the Patreon and uh,
you know, other than that,just uh, you know, follow along
with our with our ongoing h BlockQueens and went worth went worth in in

(02:32:18):
Reddit podcasts, and let us knowwhat else you'd like us to cover.
If anything, you can't promise wewill, because I think we want to
take a little break for a littlefor a few weeks. We've got a
lot of bonus stuff coming up that'sgonna keep us busy. So but uh
yeah, join us on Tuesday nightsfor our Cruel Summer after party. We

(02:32:43):
only have a few left, threeleft right yeah yeah, wait no,
we just did yeah yeah, okay, all right, yeah, so we're
almost done, and hopefully we'll youknow, hopefully they'll get back to uh
hopefully we'll get some news on whetheror not there's going to be a season

(02:33:05):
three soon. I don't know,we'll find out, but all right,
take care of everyone and we'll seeall soon. Bye, yay,

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