Hostile Witness

Kelly and Pamela discuss the Cruel Summer season 1 finale: Hostile Witness.

Episode Transcript

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Kit and Jeannette's world's collide as thecourt date arrives, finally forcing the two
young women to answer the question oneveryone's mind. But the answer comes with
a price that not everyone can pay. You're with Cruel Summer Camp. We
had to do it one last time. Pamela is just one last time.

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Hey guys, how's it going,Pamela? Pretty good. I got scratched
by some cats I was trying torescue, so I'm bandaged up. I
have not had a good past weekfor animals. Yeah, well, he

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just I've had a pretty I meanI rescued that cat, so overall it
is win win, but you know, my my body be paying the price
for it. I also got bitby a dog earlier this week. Yeah,
that I think you could, likeactually just make a random bulog episode
out of that incident, because hewas good of I made. That was

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kind of crazy. Yeah, Ifeel like I belong as like a TV
host on Animal Planet this week.Like I feel like I'm crocodile Dundee.
You know, I'm I'm braving thewilderness, and by wilderness I mean streets
of Los Angeles and domestic animals.You and me, both man mister Growley

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took my ankle out yesterday. ButI'm glad it was my ankle because the
way he ran into me, Imean, he could have easily gotten my
Oh did he run into you weredizzy? Like do you like trip over
him? Because sometimes my animals standlike directly in front of my feet and
it's like, okay, well nowhe he got a little too. He
just got a little too excited.It was Jim and I were out with

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the dogs and we were just likethrowing the ball around, which Banana's really
not interested in the ball. Butmister Growley just like, I mean,
he can't. It's like he couldbe completely exhausted and like his legs could
he have four broken legs. Butyou know, you bring out a ball
and he doesn't give a shit.He has to go after it. And

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he just gets a little too excitedsometimes. And Jim went to throw the
ball and he just acted like anidiot and just decided to take off without
looking and just ran right into myran right into my knee, but somehow
didn't hurt my knee. He justended up taking my ankle out. But

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he was fine because when they runinto us like they're you know, it's
they're usually full force with their headsand we're usually like worried about them had
getting a concussion. But yeah,this time he was fine. But yeah,
my I was. I see myankle all day yesterday. It was
so cute that I came running overimmediately checking out, what do you do?

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What do you do? I'll takecare of him for you. That's
so cute. Yeah, yeah,that's funny. He like he's a nut.
I remember there was I know thisisn't dog story hour, but this
is a really this is kind ofa funny but not funny story that I

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just felt like I should share.We're at the dog park one time and
there was a standard poodle there thathe loved, and they were playing around
and he got a little too crazybasically just like ran this dog into the
bench, and we seriously thought wewere gonna have to pay bet bills for

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like a broken leg or something.Oh my gosh. Yeah, he gets
a little crazy sometimes, you know, even at his age now, like
he's ten years old and he stillgets crazy. But yeah, we're to
lay the dog shine and they wereback to playing. But yeah, he's
kind of a nut. But uh, Oh, he just he actually just

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came in the room, but hewon't show his face. He's a little
shy. Should we jump into it? Yeah, finale, Kelly, our
final episode of Cruel Summer for awhile. I have champagne. Ah,

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it was actually water cup that haslipstick on it. The champagne is actually
left over from from our Gerald Dixonpajama after party. So I have to
finish it. So I'm like,it's the Curl Summer finale after party.
I might as well, you know, save it for that. By the

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way, I forgot to tell youthis is how exhausted I was. I
had the Cruel Summer camp background upthe entire time, and either nobody noticed
or just like didn't buy Summer duringuh, during the Darald Dixon after party,

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he's the one that has the CruelSummer print. This one the one
that we're looking at you so funny. Well, you know there are the
Cruel Summer people come, so mightas well have been. Yeah. The
most is like the first two DarylDixon after parties we'd have because it be

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Cruel Summer people and they're like,well, I didn't watch this show,
but Cruel Summer. Huh. Likecool, yeah, oh man, Yeah,
So anyway, there but there isa there is a tie between the
season of Curul Summer and the Walkingdun which which we won't mention because we've

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already mentioned it before, but youcan if you're curious about what that is,
you can go back and we'll probablymention it again in the episode.
I mean whatever. But anyway,so the uh, the episode takes place
around October third, in the year'sninety three, ninety four, ninety five,

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of course, so just ninety fourand ninety five. I would say
there were no nineteen ninety three anymore. Yeah, yeah, that's oh no,
wait, wait wait, there wasone ninety three There was one ninety
three moment and it was when Kateand Martin were like brushing their teeth.

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Oh yeah, and oh wait no, I actually have no, I've got
a few ninety three moments here.I'll mention them as they come up.
But yeah, there were like therewere like maybe three nineteen ninety three moments
that were really fast. So theattorneys and I wrote down their names.

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Actually, so the attorneys Denise Harperand Dick Marshall. But I'm going to
call in Tobin because that's who weplayed on The Walking Dead addressing the jury,
and Kate is driving up to thecourthouse while the reporters are swarming her

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car, and then Jeannette is alsopulling up, and then the reporters,
you know, go and go andblank her, and they're Kate and Jeanette
are exchanging looks. That's in nineteenninety five, of course. Then in
nineteen ninety three we get a quickflash of Kate and Martin brushing their teeth

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next to each other and smiling ateach other, so you know, this
is before all the ship went down. Then we get a quick flash of
Jeanette and Jamie kissing at the rollerrink in ninety four, and you know,
and I in while this is happeningin ninety five, we're getting Denise

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telling the jury that Kate's actions arehave cost Jeannette lifelong wealth and ramifications,
and Nick is explaining that the evidencewon't show anything, and Denise is explaining
that Kate spread misinformation willingly. Thejury doesn't have to pick sides, but

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just have to pick the truth,which will be revealed. In nineteen ninety
four, Kate is about to goon the Marshall Bailey Show. Wait before
we go on, Yeah, didyou notice Denise said that this rumor of
Kate's has cost Jeanette a lifetime earningpotential of eleven million? Yes? Where

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the hell? What if she wasan astrophysicist? Like where did that number
come from? I have no ideathat has been in Like to say that
a rumor that was spread about Jeanettecost her money in her life is like
okay, fine, But to belike, yes, it's worth eleven million

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dollars, it's like, okay,it seems like you're just suing the family
for like everything there worth. Itdoesn't where did that number come from?
Yeah, I have no idea.I mean I don't know if I don't

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know if they're figuring in her father'sfinancial losses as well, Like yeah,
there's like there's a lot of otherthings involved. You know, there's like

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expenses to like you're assuming, likeyou're just making the broad of something,
assumption that she's never going to workagain. And let's say that she wanted
to be a doctor. Yeah,you know, she has to pay for
the four kids that she wanted tohave, Like she planned on having four
kids and she wanted to live inthis neighborhood, you know, and she

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wanted to send her kids to Yaleand we'll never get in Yale now that
this rumor has been spread about her. Yeah, and uh it is wild.
I mean it's they really could,like they really could make a case
for just about anything they want.Yeah. But so Joy is you know,

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basically just doting on on Kate,you know, like praising her outfit.
But you know, of course,like she's complaining that she took a
hatchet to her hair and uh,she's she's putting a headband on her.
It's like this famis feel so uncomfortable. Like, you know, I'm starting

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to come around to Joy and I'mjust like, god, it's like she's
dressing up a dollar you know.Yeah. I liked when she was like
complimenting Kate's outfit and Keith's like,well you picked it out. I just
think that's very like relatable mom thingof being like oh this thing you have,
Wow, that's so great? Whogave it to you? Me?

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Ah? Yes? Yeah? Anduh, you know Rad's trying to trying
to pepper up, telling her she'lldo great. So Kate is Tate.
Kate goes out there and tells herstory to Marsha about her being found by
by someone she didn't know, whichI mean she and she knew and she

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knew Jeanette, which is interesting thatshe said that, like she didn't know
her. But Jeanette and Greg arewatching the TV and then watching as she
you know, she says that JeanetteTurner saw her and and didn't do anything
about it, and you know,of course Greg freaks out and he's like,

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she can't do that. Lally,she can't do that, and I
mean, yeah, she basically hascommitted slanter. Yeah, but you know,
she's a kid, she like,after after what she had been through
being a kid, like, yeah, you're not You're not going to make

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the best of decisions. So Kategoes into the back room and Rod Enjoy
are panicking and Rod telling her,you know, she just broke the law,
and Kate rips off her headband andshe's like, my turn, I

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guess I love it so much.She's just so like she's being like such
a brat. But I feel likeI'm like, well she kind of and
did It's okay? Yeah yeah,And I mean after you finished the episode,
it's like, do we really care. Yeah. After I finished the

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episode, now that I have likea clear head about everything, I'm just
like, well, I mean everythingkind of evened out. Huh yeah,
I mean she was messy, Katewas messy, but yeah, sure we
care. No, no, fuckno, she could be a whole lot

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messyer and I wouldn't give a shit. Sometimes you gotta spread a rumor on
national television. Okay, Like it'slike that, Yeah, Kate Wallace is
my hero. But uh yeah,so you know, while this is happening,
Jeanette, Like, Jeanette starts cuttingoff her hair. Yeah, what

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did you like? What did youthink of this? Like? What?
Like? Okay, I both everysingle time I've watched this episode. I
watched it now three, three orfour times. It bothers me because I
know why Jeanette cut off her hairlike that, and I didn't think I

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necessarily need to see that moment.The moment I felt like of Jeanette's appearance
changing that I wanted to see.The justification for is between the ninety three
and ninety four timeline when she getshot. Yeah, Like I've always just
felt like it's like that the wholelook change is really like integral to her

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being popular, like you're in highschool, Like she suddenly starts like knowing
how to straighten her hair. It'snot just the braces coming off and the
contact lenses. It's about how she'sdressing and everything. They never justified that
or show like how she was ableto do that, Like you know what
I mean, who's taking her shopping, Cindy. She just comes home with

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all these like clothes and a pushup bra one day and it's fixed,
you know what I mean. LikeI like it's like, oh, this
horrible thing happened, and now everyone'slooking at Jeannette Turner. She needs to
cut her hair to like not looklike herself. It's like, yeah,
no kidding. So it's like I'mjust like, if you're not going to
show us the ninety three to ninetyfour transition, then like okay, finally

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gave us this, but like Ididn't need it. Yeah, yeah,
no, I hear you. Imean I kind of got you know,
I mean I kind of feel likeshe caught off her hair and started dressing
like a little more, you know, a little more dressed down and casual,
because like she just she didn't wantto call attention to herself. She

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oh, yeah, but so Kateis. Kate's exiting the courthouse with her
with her lawyer and her family shehad started. The car and the presser
are kind of swarming Jeanette to askher if she thinks she's been greedy by

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suing for eleven million dollars. Theuh, you know, they're they're basically
just unable to to get through.Kate's watching from the car and takes off.
Then we see Jamie and Jeannette.He's asking her how it was at
court. I could not. Icompletely like mentally blotted out that he was

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even in this episode, like totallyforgot. It's amazing, you know how
it's like, oh, Kate likeforgot things like her memory. This is
a test of my memory because howI recalled the finale versus what the finale
actually was very different. I owemallory of apology because I saw this episode

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was structured completely differently. I completelyjust blotted Jamie completely out other than being
like an alcoholic who like got hisfriends like permanently injured, Like, other
than that, he's gone mentally,he's not there. But yeah, it

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is funny because like watching this seasonback from the beginning, I was like,
wow, like you know, nineteenninety three Janet with It's Jamie,
Like they get along because they havecriminality in common. Really, but I
mean they do like they seem tolike have more uh more in common honestly

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than him and Kate ever did.So it did kind of feel like they
the right fit for each other.And I think that it is like,
okay, like he's having his likecome to you know, apologize to all
the people you've wronged in AA moment, and in a way, Jeanette is
kind of having that, even thoughI don't think she really apologizes for anything

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she did by the end of thisYeah for sure, Yeah, yeah,
I agree. You know, shesays, you know, court was okay.
She said today in court it waseasy, yeah, which I think
is like a little when you thinkabout the whole picture of it all,

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I think it is strange that anyonewould say that it was easy, you
know what I mean. It's likeyour first day in a major try while
you're sworn by paparazzi, like askinglike very rude questions, you're suing someone,
which everyone feels mixed about from theget go, and like you're like,

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oh, it's easy. It's like, yeah, because she's you know,
a little a little creep. Yes, yeah, for sure, but
yeah. She also mentions that tomorrowher lawyer is bringing Kate onto the stand
as a hostile witness. He asksif that's good for her, which it

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could be, but it won't makepeople like her, and Jamie assures her
that he likes her, right right, of course. It's like the the
urg the town's urchin is like,but I like you, Jania. What
a win? Yeah, so theyhold hands, so cute. She's back

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with her abuser. Great love itthro God the couple. I will never
ship. No, actually no,I do kind of ship them. They
kind of along together, They kindof like here's the thing. It's like,
do I think he should punch hisgirlfriend? No? Does she kind
of deserve to get punched though?Yet? Yes, because it's Jeanette,

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not because like the circumstances, orlike their relationship, or like any other
reason, you know, domestic violencebad Jeanette gang punch though, But now
he doesn't have a reason a puncherthough, No, he doesn't. But
I just mean, like, youknow, she deserves the world. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, karmically yeah yeah, carfrectly she absolutely deserves it,

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but like, no, and shejust should not go back to the man,
even though they are kind of likemade for each other, she should
not go back to him. That'sbad, that's real bad. Yeah,
for sure. I wonder if shefeels like I wonder if you know,
I wonder if she's with him becauseshe doesn't think that's a big deal because

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she feels like she does deserve it. I don't know. Ooh, that's
a really good point. Maybe.I mean she does kind of like,
you know, push aside the entireincident. So yeah, I feel like
part of her knows she deserves it. Yeah, yeah, that's probably I
would say that's probably the case.So Kate, Kate's at home where she's

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you know, messaging Bernice ninety four. I'm sorry Bernice, wait, I
have it here? Why do Ihave Bernice ninety four? It was Bernice's
four, right, Yeah, yeah, you mean Bernici or Bernici yeah,
or Baronite? Yeah, very nice. And she's telling Kate to pick her

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words carefully but not to worries asshe's the debate team captain much like yourself.
Pamela, greg and Jeanette are inthe kitchen eating Ice cream from the
curtain. This mirrors the scene fromthe pilot where she is about, you

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know, making a birthday wish.Yeah, yeah, it does. Greg
says that Angela told him that she'snervous and he assures her that she can
still talk to him, and shesaid she knows, and they share the
ice cream. So, I mean, you know, it's nice that he's

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just not like getting drunk around herand yelling at her. Yeah, for
once the first episode we've seen thenineteen ninety five timeline where he's not like,
hey, you bitch, get downhere, as he literally said that
to her. No, but I'msummarising. He also calls her a doodle

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bug, which is where I gotmy nickname for today's episode. I was
like, oh, yes, goldMine doodle bug. Weird. Okay,
how do you go from like,you know, how do you go from
from my daughter's a little serial killerbitch to like, how are you well?

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She was always this doodle bug andthen for like two years ago she
was a sociopathic serial killer. Bitbecause she was doodle bug, slam pig
sociopath. Yeah, oh my god. So the next morning at that courthouse,

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Denise is interviewing Kate about Martin Harriscapturing her by force. He asks
what happened, and Kate claims thatMartin offered her a ride home, but
he took her to his place instead. He drank a drug soda, passed
out, and woke up in thebasement. Denise asks if that's what she

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related to the police, which iscorrect, and it's also what she's maintaining
today. Under oath, Denise presentsevidence, though Nick counters as it wasn't
in discovery. Denise presses that it'sfor impeachment purposes, so the judge allows
it. Denise gives Kate the chatlog and has her read the screen names

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aloud. This was so annoying becauseshe actually pronounces it bernaghee. I know,
I know, I thought you weregonna say with the evidence stuff.
I don't know too much about likediscovery, but basically, like you know,
the it's the lawyers did not knowabout this, which is why they're

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like, oh, this wasn't partof discovery. And then you know,
they're kind of like, oh,well, we're about to disprove her whole
story, so and it's like,uh, oh yeah, just lawyer things.
Yeah, No, the pronouncing thateveryone knows it's Bernicky. That's so
stupid. No you didn't, No, you didn't. Everyone would pronounce that

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Bernice. Yeah, that's Bernice.That makes me so mad. I can't
even I can't even hear it.I'm just like I heard you. Everyone
pronounces it Bernickie. Well there's somethinglike another pronunciation in there too, Bernici.
I keep saying Bernici as a joke, but it seriously was like something

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along that line. I think itwas like Barniki or something. I don't
know, I don't know, see. But so she then shows the entire
court the document. Kate reads themessages and where she admits that she willingly

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went into Martin's house. Denise asksif if that's her screen name, and
you know, she says, shesays yes, but I mean, and
you know, of course that's notof course, like that's not the issue

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that you know. The issue isn'tthat like that she was in some kind
of consensual relationship with Martin. It'sthat she lied, right and after court,
you know, Kate's confused just howJeanette's lawyers found the messages, and
Nick said he did some digging andlearned that Ashley is bernicky. Okay,

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do you think that Ashley like foundout about this? Which one, Why
wasn't she in court? I guessshe was in class or something maybe,
but like do you think she foundout and was like, oh Dad,
I gotta tell you something. Iwas just trying to like connect with Kate.
That's one thing that I really thatI'm really kind of bugged about that

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they didn't. I know, Ishould if she should have been an episode
a little more time. I wishthat was in the episode other than what
we got over a. I M. Yeah, she should have been in
the episode. I mean, youknow, we should have seen Rod's reaction
to it, like we we shouldhave seen the entire family discussing it,

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you know, like yeah, nota lot of joy in this episode either.
Like yeah, I mean she shouldhave been in the courtroom, like
it just it should have been abigger deal. Agreed. I I that
really bugged me. Huge betrayal ofKate two. Yeah, yeah for sure.

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But uh so the Wallaces, youknow, they're they say they're calling
Ashley to talk with her. Youknow, that's pretty much all we get.
It's, uh, he tells herit's a problem that she hasn't been
honest as it's as it's a hugeblow to her case, and if there's
anything else she isn't telling him,then he needs to know. Meanwhile,

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Jamie finally does something good. Hegoes to see Ben, who's playing guitar
in his room, and he tellshim that he knows he can't apologize for
what he did as he shouldn't havebeen drinking or driving that day. He
takes full responsibility for what happened.Ben tells him he can go now,

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but Jamie tells Ben that that BenceFuller didn't do anything wrong. Okay,
this is what I'm a little bitlike huh about. Is when Ben was
getting interviewed or deposed by the lawyers, they asked, do you blame Jeanette

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for what happened to you? Theywere like, do you blame Vince?
I mean, so I always thoughtthat Ben mentally was blaming Jeannette because Jamie
was driving to Jeannette when he wasin the car and he got drunk,
because that's the only way he'd havecourage to talk to her. So I'm

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just like, I don't I gethow like basically that anger like ruined the
relationship between Ben and Vince. ButI don't think that is like the dots
that Jamie would put together for Vince. I feel like he'd be like,
oh, don't blame, don't beangry with Jeanette, be angry at me,

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you know what I mean. Ifeel like I kind of feel like
maybe he didn't put those dots together, and maybe he was just maybe he
was putting different dots together, likehe was just feeling sorry for himself perhaps

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and and and was just withdrawing fromVince as a result of that. He
had to have known that Vince andBen had a relationship though or something,
right, Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm sure too, I'm
sure. Yeah, that's why Ithink, like, that's why, that's

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that's the that's the feeling that Igot and from that conversation, And yeah,
I kind of I didn't necessarily feellike he was necessarily understanding that that
Ben was staying away from from Vince, because like he blamed Jeannette for any

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of this, but but more sothat he didn't necessarily understand why he was
staying away from Vince. That's whatthat he but that he started staying away
from Vince after this happened, andso he felt responsible for it, and

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and you know, and and heand that was linked to Jeannette because he
was getting drunk because he was onhis way to see Jeannette. Mm hmm.
But uh, but I like Iwas kind of can I was kind
of confused though, because I meanBen was still see I don't think Ben

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was out. I don't think Benwould have added himself to Jamie. Yeah,
I know. So then I'm like, well, I wonder if Jeanette
told Jamie, which is a littleYeah, that's how I think. Okay,
But I'm kind of confused though,because I feel like Ben was still
kind of defending Jamie in ninety five. Yeah, so like why was he

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so you know, why was helike so kind of hostile towards him?
You know, Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I feel like
there's some like change of thought thatBen had or I don't know, they
just gave him different direction that likedoesn't line up with the two timelines like

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together, You're You're absolutely right mythinking with like him blaming Jeanette point blank
and being okay with Jamie when wesaw him initially in the nineteen ninety five
timeline is that I think it's alot easier, like if if your best
friend is drunk with you all thetime or like around you all the time,

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you see he has an alcohol problem, and then you're permanently injured because
of that friend's alcohol problem. Ifeel like it's easier to kind of be
like, well, he only didthat because of this person, instead of
being like, oh shit, wellyou know, my friend has a problem.

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And also I might have been enablingmy friend or I should have said
something about this, and he likedidn't. So I feel to disconnect there.
But then yeah, I don't know, it's like did he Like they're
like a conversation with him and Vincethat maybe got cut where they talk about
Jamie, Like I don't know,maybe yeah, maybe feels like something there's

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like a missing link. It's theYellow Jackets effect. Yeah, literally all
the stuff that got cut out ofthe finale. But so we see Kate
sitting at her computer and Mallory's there, and you know, she's basically filling

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her in on Ashley. Kate isexplaining that Ashley kind of had a weak
excuse for starting the conversations, andshe claimed that Kate needed somebody. It's
just it's so fun, like,you know, it reminded me of Joy
telling her that she needed a badguy. It's like, why is her

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family manipulating her so much? Youknow? It's really like so devastating that
it's like she still literally does nothave anyone she can talk to except for
Mallory. I wrote down what thechat said to so Ashley wrote, Kate,
I'm so sorry this is how youfound out. I wanted you to
have someone to talk to and youwouldn't speak to me in real life.

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Please call me, And then inall caps, Kate wrote back, how
could you do this to me?Yeah? So sad? I mean she
has Rod, yeah, but uhbut still, I mean things are probably
tense there too, because he's probablygonna, you know, be trying to

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trying to push things to like getbetter between them, and write she's gonna
want nothing to do with her fora while, So things are probably gonna
be that see, And that's heartbreakingbecause when you think how close their relationship
is, like that's probably gonna strainher relationship with Rod too. Oh yeah,

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God, that Like I hadn't eventhought of that until just now that
that that breaks my heart. Yeah. Also, the relationship between Ashley and
Derek is completely ruined. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh god,
we didn't see him in the finaleeither, he was we didn't court that
we saw. I did see whenyou pulled up a shot in the after

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party on Tuesday of the court Idid see Ashley sitting behind Rod, so
like they do have her, butsee, yeah, but look how far
back and like where's Derek's not overthere? You know? Yeah, yeah,
why is why is he? Likewhy is Joy way up there?

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And Rod's all the way back there? And then yeah, they they wanted
to make the court house seem full. I did think it was weird that
there weren't more people watching the case. Yeah, but they I mean it's
so funny. They literally where it'slike, you know, in real life,
all those family members would be seennext to each other. It's like
they're like, okay, yeah,you're gonna take this ile. See,

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you're gonna take this ile see andyou're gonna be way back here. So
funny. Okay, So that makesit even more infuriating that they didn't that
Ashley didn't have like more of apresence in the finale. If she was,
I know, yeah, she shecame there, she was on set.

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It's yeah, it's really annoying.Uh yeah, that is really annoying.
So so yeah, she, youknow, Kate saying that she felt
betrayed. She felt like she waschatting with somebody who went through hell like
her, and then you know,she could be her future and she doesn't

(39:00):
exist and she doesn't have the wholepuzzle, and she you know, she
was wrong about who Bernicky was andshe can't remember Annabelle and she wants to
try what Sylvia suggested, and shepicks up the phone. We then see

(39:22):
Vince stocking the shelves when Ben walksin to apologize. Jamie had got him
thinking about how he's been punishing thewrong person, and he says he misses
him, and Vince says it's beenso long that he can't enjoy hearing that.
I just said, I know,my heart just broke for him,

(39:46):
and he said he didn't like Hesaid he doesn't know what he did wrong.
And Ben saw everyone staring and thoughtVince was trying to out them and
he was terrified. And Ben's justlike I was terrified. I'm black,
gay and I live in Texas andand you know, and he felt like

(40:09):
Ben just tossed him aside, andBen said he wanted to earn a strush
back if he'll let him. There'sjust a disconnect in this conversation. Jamie
has nothing to do with any ofthe stuff they're talking. Yeah, so
it's like, I still don't it'sit is strange to me that they have
Jamie as the like inciting incident fora conversation about like, you know,

(40:36):
coming out kind of really, Imean, I feel like it should have
been Jeanette, you know, yeah, I felt I feel like Jeannette should
have been the one talking to Ben, especially when Ben was saying that he
blamed her for everything. Mm hmm, yeah, it was. It was
really weird. And uh so wesee Kate sneaking into Martin's house. She

(41:06):
sees the knocked over lambs and tablesand liquor trays, and there's no way
all that stuff would be left inthe house. Yeah, I know,
I know. She looks around andwell, I don't know, not necessarily
because well, I mean in aneighborhood like that, Yeah, you're right,

(41:28):
there wouldn't be like they would havecleaned up that house and tried to
sell it immediately, Like it's areally nice house. One I wonder who
like owns it now. I wonderif Greg's real estate company is like in
possession of it. But also likeI feel like along with crime scene cleanup,
right, because someone came to pickup all the pieces of Martin left

(41:52):
behind, so I feel like ifthey were cleaning up there, they would
have like packed up all this stuff. Also like evidence, but there's no
regard for this. The door wassealed by the cops in nineteen ninety four.
Greg totally broke that everyone visits acrime scene, it's totally fine not

(42:14):
to worry. So she looks aroundand then you know, she starts playing
a record. Jeanette shows up andasks why Kate wanted to meet her there.
Kate says she knows that this iswhere the truth lies, which is

(42:34):
what they both want. I've leftseen them face to face in this timeline
because we really like don't get anydouble shots of them together except when Kate
sees Jeanette in traffic, and eventhen obviously there's a wall, but there's
a car window between them, soit's like really like interesting to see them,

(43:00):
Like finally be together and in Martin'shouse is so good that that scene
when Kate Sojanett in traffic is likeone of my favorite scenes ever. It's
like, it's so good. Ifantasize about that with multiple people on a
daily basis about that happening, likeyou know, in an like I get

(43:27):
stuck with them in an elevator,or like I like after I got fired
for my last job, I usedto when I was still looking for work,
when I thought there was a chancethat I could still work full time.
I had hoped. I'm like,I'm going to be so happy if
I can get an interview, likeat least an interview in the same building.

(43:52):
And I end up in the elevatorwith one of the people involved fire
me. I'm just gonna stand thereand smile at them. Oh my gosh.
That's but yeah anyway, so yeah. Jeannette says she wanted to face

(44:15):
the truth since last year. Kateknows that eleven million dollars won't hurt her,
but it will bankrupt her parents.Jeanette counters that now she knows that
Jeanette will win, and she wantsto settle out outside of court. Kate

(44:37):
tells her that the chats were alow blow. Jeanette angrily retorts that naming
her on national TV was a lowblow, and Kate says that she stole
her trauma journal and shared it withan entire courtroom, which was cruel.
And you know, there's basically justgoing back and forth, trading like,

(44:59):
you know, exchanging accusations. Kateruined Jette's life. Jeanette Stile hers Kate
didn't even want it. Yeah,if they get into like the real nitty
gritty of it in a way thatI really appreciate. Yeah, exactly.

(45:21):
She read pages of the journal anddoesn't know the whole story, but she
does know that Kate's She does knowthat Kate's lucky that some secrets were buried
with Martin Harris. And so it'sas this is happening. It's day three
of the case of the Yeah,he just didn't show up to court,

(45:45):
which is so funny. I know. Yeah, they're just like waiting for
them to appear, probably like sopissed. I know, everyone is so
angry. Like that's so funny.Jeannette asks Kate about Jamie, as she
was pretty much over him when shewent missing. But you know when she

(46:07):
came back, she claimed him,even though Jeanette loved him. Kate thinks
Jeanette went to great lengths to leaveher in hell just to keep him,
and she says she just wants toget down to business. She says she
knows Jeanette snuck into the house andnot just to play hide and seek,
but in Christmas Eve in ninety three, Jeanette admits to it, but she

(46:30):
didn't go into the basement, whichmeans that Kate wasn't there. Kate fesses
up to it, but she knowsthat Jeanette saw her, and Jeanette says
she knows that she didn't. Shesays the night that she broke in,
Kate was home alone. She wasmessing with a snow globe, which Jeanette

(46:50):
knows as she heard Jamie's voicemail.They thought it was Kate, but they
couldn't be sure since it didn't makesense later since she was supposed to have
been kidnapped, so you know,they kind of go through the timeline here.
Nineteen ninety three, Kate calls Jamieon Christmas Eve. She's messing with

(47:13):
the snow globe. Ninety five.The message was not the message with nonsense
and the breathing, But after Jeanetteheard the snow globe, she knew that
Kate wasn't kidnapped. The night Jeannettesaw her, Kate hit on the second
floor. She had snuck in andsure nobody was home. As she saw

(47:35):
Martin at the mall, she hearda noise and left with the snow globe.
Nineteen ninety three, Jeanette breaks in, so Kate runs upstairs. Jeannette
enters and takes the snow globe,shaking it. Kate watches from the upstairs
balcony. Kate walks downstairs to lookout the window, which is when she

(47:57):
finds the necklace. She turns offthe light and looks out side. So
in nineteen ninety five, Kate admitsto finding the necklace. She looks out
the window and she says she lookedout the window and saw Jeanette spike.
But Jeannette asks if Kate saw herface. Kate said she turned off the

(48:17):
lights and heard her voice, foundher necklace, and saw her bike.
She said her face was shadowed,but she saw Jeanette's spike with the stupid
card on the wheel, and thenJeanette starts putting everything together. So in

(48:37):
ninety three, we see Jeanette Malloryevents mounting their bikes the night of the
garden Club party while while Kate's watching, and so in ninety five, Jeanette
is describing the bike and then admitsit's not hers, it's Malories. Well,

(49:00):
Mallory had her bike right right.She goes into the other room to
sit down on the steps like she'sjust kind of shaken up. Jeanette realizes
that Mallory saw her Kate like itis just kind of like absorbing all of

(49:25):
this and she's just trying to likefigure out how this is all possible.
So we then see ninety three,Jeanette goes in the house well Malory's riding
by. She sees Kate in thewindow and is excited to bust Jeanette and
like she was hoping to see herget caught. Malory's hiding behind a tree,

(49:50):
waiting until Jeannette leaves and watches herride away. Mallory decides to follow
Jeanette by getting on her bike.She hears crash inside and looks over to
where Kate sees figure and mistakes herefor Jeannette. And that's that's the halfway

(50:10):
point, and like, I'm stillso kind of like I'm still a little
confused about about this scene. Whatdo you mean, like I'm still confused
about what was going through through Mallory'shead. I okay, So one,
I think it's so funny that Malloryand Jeanette had one another's bikes and hadn't

(50:34):
swapped back over like months. Yeah, garden party is like in the summer.
This is like Christmas. Yeah,months of pasts. They're using each
other's bikes. Whatever, that's fine, that's best friend things. And then
they got in a fight, soit's like, okay, fine, it
is what it is. I alsothink it's so funny that Mallory was like,
great, I'm gonna watch Jeanette getbusted, so she hung around.

(50:58):
I think that is so bizarre butvery funny. I think that she just
saw Okay, so we get theshots of what Malory saw when she sees
Kate in the window, and youbasically just see someone with blonde hair.

(51:21):
You can't even like see a face. It's like just really a profile of
blonde hair, and it looks likejust like Jeanette is walking into a home
when someone is home. Yeah,so I really thought she was just gonna
watch Jeannette, And I mean lateron she's like, I thought it was
like his girlfriend or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

(51:45):
it's like, why wouldn't Martin Harrisnot have a girlfriend or just like a
sister or someone in his home.Like, I don't think she saw that
it was. And this is whereI hypothetically, oh, Mallory an apology,
because my memory of this finale wasthat Mallory knew that it was Kate

(52:07):
and Kate was in the house andchose not to say anything. But really,
like, I don't think it wasthat sinister. I think she didn't
see her face to face like Katethought, and she just kind of like
saw something and it didn't really makesense. She didn't think anything of it

(52:30):
at the time. It only cameto her maybe later, But even then
it was like, well, I'mnot going to ask like my best friend
about the minutia of her being kidnapped. When we spend like all this time
talking about how traumatic it was forher, It's like, I completely get

(52:51):
where Mallory was coming from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I
think later certain scenes with her laterin the episode kind of proved that she
did didn't really have any bad intentions. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
like genuine Yeah. I mean,it's just like this scene just confused me
because, like I don't know,the way she was looking at the window,

(53:12):
it looked like she was trying tofigure out who it was, and
it just kind of threw me,like, yeah, the person they have
like standing in for shadowy figure,like before we see that it's Mallory,
Like, I don't think it isMallory right that shot, And I think
the way it's blocked really does makeit look like someone's like fully I'm trying

(53:35):
to like do it to the camera, but I'm not doing it right.
But like it really does make itseem like someone is fully looking, And
I don't think when you see Mallorylike dropped into the scene, that's not
how it it matches up. Yeah. Yeah, no, really funny though,
So Malory like, okay, wait, sorry, I'm I'm I'm getting

(54:02):
ahead of myself. So, soMallory follows Jeanette home and she like storms
in after her. The whole ideaof like Jeanette breaking into a house Mallory's
watching the whole time Jeanette is aheadof her on the bike, Mallory's behind
her just being like he like,I'm about to bust her. And then

(54:24):
Jeanette gets home, gets in herroom, Mallory just follows straight into the
house and is like, you're aweirdo. You're a weirdo who likes breaking
into people's houses. This whole interactionis weirdo material. Yeah, straight,
but Malory basically wants to call herout on being a hypocrite, being like,

(54:47):
oh, like she's trying to actlike she's a saint and she like
loves breaking into Martin Harris's house forinexplicable reasons. And then it's it's also
hilarious to me that Janetta is likejust take the snow globe, because that
like doesn't really make sense, butwhatever. She's like, it's kind of

(55:13):
like, hey, I steal,Like I'll give you something, just go
away. That's what I kind oftake it to be. She's like,
take the snow globe. I don'tknow why you're trying to yell at me
like our friendship's over, Like gofuck off, and so Mallory leaves.
We jump back to the nineteen ninetyfive timeline. Jeanette says that Mallory would

(55:36):
not give her the snow globe,probably to defend Kate. But it doesn't
even matter that Kate is hearing this, because she's thinking about all the time
she's spent with Mallory and now she'sfeeling like totally betrayed. So then Kate,
I mean just like apologizes to herand says that she was wrong and

(56:00):
if she knew she was wrong,she never would have accused her. On
the Marshall Bailey Show, she's likegenuinely very sorry. Janette asks what actually
did happen between Martin and Kate,and you know, Kate, Kate admits

(56:21):
like she trusted him and like sheloved him and they had a relationship,
and it turns sour, and it'slike, I it's it's also interesting that
she's not like, well, Iwas groomed by a pedophile to stay here.
I feel like that to say thattakes a lot of like clarity and

(56:43):
understanding that probably only comes with time. But it is interesting to me that
we've heard her defend him and we'reat the end of the nineteen ninety five
timeline and she still didn't like putthat into words, you know, yeah,
yeah, definitely. So Kate askedJeanette to come with her down to

(57:06):
the basement to unlock a memory,and I really like this part a lot.
So they go down there and there'sthis really great transition of this lamp
that's kind of on its side inthe corner, and Jeanette is still in
the room, but then the lightchanges and it goes from being daylight to

(57:29):
dark and only like illuminated by thelamp, and then the camera just moves
around Jeanette and then she's you know, gone, and we're in the world
of nineteen ninety four. Very cool. Kate said that it was the day
before she was discovered, and Martinseemed at peace. I mean, Kate,

(57:53):
like two episodes ago, asked Martin, like, how does this end?
And I mean, I feel likethe only two ways it ends is
they leave the country together and havelike a really messed up relationship that doesn't
last, or she gets murdered.Like there's really like those are the only

(58:15):
two options for her. And Icompletely forgot this time around watching this that
Kate has that realization because it's likeso grim and very upsetting, but the
show does, you know, stillgo there. So basically you know,

(58:36):
she thinks that she's about to getmurdered. And he comes down to the
basement with a box and he saysthat the police came there today and it's
only a matter of time until theycome back. Why were the police there?
Yeah, I know, it makesme I've been thinking about it,

(58:59):
and initially I thought maybe the policecame for like unrelated reasons and it was
just coincidence. And Martin is justhyper like vigilant right now, and so
he's like, they're on to me. But maybe they really were onto him.
It might have been because he someonefrom our after party pointed out he's

(59:22):
wearing a Widow Falls sweatshirt. Mytheory is that when he did that like
road trip for a girl, thatwas maybe the girl from Widow Falls.
Yeah. So, I mean,I don't think it's that hard to put
two and two together. If you'relike, hey, this girl is missing,
maybe we should double check the backgroundjacks of all our teachers and administration.

(59:46):
You know, yeah, they mayhave put him in that that Widow
Falls sweatshirt. Like it's kind ofa you know, it's kind of a
tip off, is that it's like, you know, like just for us
to put everything together, you know, exactly, So I kind of wonder
if they really were kind of likecloser than we got within the story to

(01:00:14):
discovering him. So he he opensthe box and inside is a revolver that
is a family heirloom loom named Annabelle. Now I completely forgot who Annabelle was,
and now I remember why. It'sbecause I think naming inandamant objects is

(01:00:34):
stupid, and I don't think hisfather would have named that gun. I
don't know who named it annabel Butlike, I just I don't like it.
I don't like it at all.I'm glad I didn't wear my I'm
glad I didn't wear my Lucielle sweatshirttoday. What's the Lucille sweatshirt? That's

(01:00:55):
that's the name of Megan from theWalking Down. That's the name of his
weapon. Oh okay, I justlike I just think that's like goofy y,
it's it's okay, and Walking Deadit's like everyone dies, So you
know, it's like a gun hasto be like a person because half the

(01:01:16):
cast is going to drop dead byoh, but with Megan, it's totally
fucked up, Like he completely sexualizesit and like Megan's a weird dude.
Okay, well now I hate Ihate that too. I you' not like
that, that is weird. SoKate, Kate is like, oh my

(01:01:37):
gosh, Martin, like are yougoing to kill me? And surprised he's
actually gonna kill himself. But okay, I think Martin could have Martin could
have decided to kill trigger warning we'reabout to talk about suicide. We already
started. I'm sorry I didn't sayit earlier. I think that Martin could

(01:02:02):
have choseon to do this differently.I feel like he purposely wanted to do
it in front of Kate and gether to like he wanted the pleading,
you know. And I think hein a way like wanted to do it

(01:02:23):
in front of Kate to have someonebe like the devil, well the angel's
advocate, more like for like whyhe shouldn't kill himself. I think he
was hoping for her to be like, no, but Martin, I love
you, please don't leave. LikeI think so yeah. I think his
view of everything is just so messedup that that's what he was. Also

(01:02:49):
kind It's like he did want todie, but part of him doesn't want
to die because if he really wantedto die, he just unlocked the door
of the basement and then like goupstairs and kill himself. There's no need
to do this in front of Katenow, or he could have just been
like, go go on, you'rejust go home. Your breathe and then
she held himself after she left.Mm hm. And also like I think

(01:03:14):
if he really did like love her, you know, you wouldn't you wouldn't
let her watch you die, rightexactly. It's it's really messed up.
So but then of course he goesto kill himself, but he can't do
it, and he like turns awayand like Bell like just like screams,

(01:03:37):
what a good actor he He doessuch a good job this episode. So
Kate, by the way, likeas this is, as this is happening,
we start hearing h disarm by smashingpumpkins. But it's Olivia Holt singing
it, and it's just it's sucha good song to I mean, it's

(01:04:01):
like I don't know if like i'dlove to know who picked this song,
like if she picked it, ifshe chose it, obviously she had to
have a say in it, becauselike you know, she's she's gonna sing
like what's good for her voice?But I mean it's it's just such a

(01:04:24):
perfect song for this scene. Itwas really Yeallian. So she picks up
the gun aims it at Martin,and now he's like, oh, Kate,
you don't want to do this.We can get through anything. We're
at the big change of heart.Now give give him the gun. They

(01:04:47):
can find a way to make itwork. She kills him, Thank god,
she says. Then she sat withhim all night, feeling paralyzed and
guilty for loving him. So sad, like she has so many mixed emotions
about Martin, rightfully so, andlike it's just so sad to see her

(01:05:10):
like stuffer like that. Yeah.So we see a flashback to Jamie and
Jeanette on the date on her birthday. So Martin Harris died on her birthday.
Yeah, that's wild. Everything itall revolves around birthdays, which is
funny. Yeah, So we seethe flashback where Jeanette and Jamie did hear

(01:05:34):
a gunshot? When Vince came outand said he thought he heard a gunshot?
And Kate says in the nineteen ninetyfive timeline to Jeanette that she's the
bad guy. The pilot just wantsto make sure you're following everything going on,

(01:05:55):
and but you know, Jeanette's like, no, you're not the bad
guy. Kate says that Jeanette shouldsuit her, but Jeanette says, no,
it was never about the money.She wanted to feel what it was
like to be Like Kate's I don'tthink that's the truth, Kelly. I

(01:06:21):
would say that is not the truth. That is not the truth there.
That is a damn lie. Yeah, but I do. I mean,
look, eleven million dollars like thatis like life changing amount of money.

(01:06:41):
But I think what matters to Jeanetteeven more is like she she does want
to be the popular girl. Butit's like, look, if you're trying
to be a Kate Wallace, Likewhat would Kate Wallace? Do? You
know? She wouldn't continue with thislaw suit and be the like greedy,

(01:07:02):
greedy, money grubbing girl who suesa person. At the end of the
day, Like, I think thewhole lawsuit was about like regaining her autonomy
over the story, but it's alsoabout power. Yeah, So you know,
as per usual with Jeanette, it'sa half truth and a half lie

(01:07:26):
going on here. So it's sofunny, Like I bet they were missing
from the courthouse for like two anda half hours. I'm sure, like
court adjourned. They're probably like,what the hell, well, like,
we can't do anything today. Sobut Kate arrives at the courthouse presumably same
day, and she makes the statementto the press, which is like,

(01:07:50):
I mean, I guess at thispoint they're like, Okay, Jeanette is
dropping the lawsuit, like they toldthe lawyers that they told the judge that
they come out, you know.And then Kate speaks to the press.
But the press part is the onlything we see. Kate says that she
now feels certain that Jeannette did notsee her in Martin Harris's house and that

(01:08:15):
Jeanette is a victim. Yeah,And then they're like, uh, Kate,
how do you feel about Rowena andgod, this woman's life. Do
you feel that so over the top, so goofy. So then we cut
to Mallorie. Uh, first timereally seeing her bedroom, I felt like

(01:08:41):
the design of it was very Mallorie. I like that it's like the flowers,
but with like black paint, likeyeah, or not black paint,
black like little strips of tape justlike keeping it to the wall, like
every between every flower. I thoughtthat was very Mallorie. She's packed a
bag and she's taking the snow globe, yeah, which is like I was

(01:09:06):
thinking about that because it's like whywould is she taking it to remember Jeanette.
I think she's taking it so thatJeanette can never use the snow globe
as evidence. I think so too. Yeah, I think it's coming from
a place of like love for Kate'ssecond to like Scorged Earth with Jeanette number

(01:09:30):
one of just being like, hell, no, you're not going to have
a single thing that can help you. Yeah, yeah, sure she wants
it, like yeah scorched Earth isis right, Like she just she wants
nothing. She wants no ties toJeanette whatsoever. She's just completely done.
Yeah. So Mallory's packing this bagwhen Kate walks in, so Mallory explained,

(01:10:00):
and she thought it was Martin's girlfriendor sister. She had no reason
to think it was Kate. Thisis where we see the shot that I
was talking about, where it's likenot even a profile like facial shot of
Kate. It's basically like her hairin front of her face, and maybe
like a white T shirt is allyou can really see. I believe all

(01:10:20):
this. I don't think it's alie. It is hilarious to me though,
how I completely misremembered this part ofthe finale. Oh man, you
like Kate misremembering things, just Pamelathings, same girl, except I thought

(01:10:44):
I had it flipped. I thoughtMallory was more. I thought Mallory was
also like a bad girl. No, I believe. I believe Mallori.
Now we also see a flashback ofMallory watching Kate's rescue on TV. She's
watching it on a little black andwhite TV. Yeah, it's like so

(01:11:08):
weird and funny. I feel likethey thought it would look interesting if it
wasn't black and white. I mean, I guess you can get away with
the justification of that of like Mallorydidn't have a lot of money. That's
the maybe like the extra like oldTV that got put in her bedroom that

(01:11:28):
she uses. But even still,I was like, that's that's pretty funny.
I will say that even into like, I will say that, like
even into the mid nineties, thosewere still pretty common for like, you

(01:11:48):
know, for young people to havein their like in their bedrooms and stuff,
you know, like I think Ihad one. I think I think
when I was in my I thinkin my first apartment I had a black
and white TV. Actually, butyeah, by the late nineties, I

(01:12:10):
think, like just I don't thinkanybody had black and white TVs anymore.
Yeah, but like mid nineties,they were still fairly common if you were,
like if you were young and itwas like, you know, your
first apartment or it was like youwere living at home with your parents and
it was your bedroom TV, right, you know. Yeah, So she's

(01:12:30):
watching that on TV, and thenin nineteen ninety five, she's explaining to
Kate that, like, you know, seeing this blonde woman and then finding
out Kate was held there, butit didn't line up with their stories.
She said, well, I choppedit up to being none of my business
and like wasn't going to touch it. We also flashed back to in nineteen

(01:12:58):
ninety five when Kate dan scene tozombie in front of the car and she's
yelling at someone in the driver's seatthat is Mallorie, and Mallory was actually
crying. This was such a powerfulscene. I mean, yeah, like
just the look on her face,I mean, she conveyed so much emotion
here. Yeah, I mean,she did such an excellent job as Mallory.

(01:13:23):
I felt like she brought so muchlike realism to her character. That
was crucial. Yeah, I meanshe really looked torn up, like she
just like she just was carrying thisguilt around with her that she didn't that
she like that she knew about allall of this stuff and seeing it on

(01:13:44):
TV, but she didn't want tosay anything for the reasons that she had
stated, and it was like itwas it was really kind of heartbreaking.
Yeah. Yeah. So Mallory saysshe is leaving town and I mean she's
basically gonna run away. Yeah,but Kate says she doesn't want her to

(01:14:10):
go. Yeah. So then it'sa month later, Marsha Bailey is sitting
down to interview Jeanette, and uh, the Jeanette excuse me, the most
wronged woman in America. So fuckingcreepy. It's so creepy. Also,

(01:14:33):
like watching this back a second time, I was like, oh, like,
I don't know, her outfit doesn'treally go with the bluntness of her
haircut, Like it feels kind ofmismatched. It's because she's dressed just like
Kate r the interview. It didn'tlook like her. Yeah, no,

(01:14:54):
it doesn't look like her at all, and like she's wearing like stuf Letto
heels. It's it's a whole thing. Also, I was gonna say,
Marcia Bailey like should have been gainedsued in all this. Yeah, yeah,

(01:15:14):
probably Bailey really should have been sued. Uh, but it's okay.
Marcia covers her ass in this interviewslike, oh, sorry, by the
way, for the role I playedin Uh, you know, cool cool.
Yeah. So Kate and Mallory arewatching this, they're hanging out together.

(01:15:35):
Mallory calls it a creep show.She's like, I know, you
guys are all kumbayan now, butthis is a creep show. That's so
funny. Which the first time Iwatched this, I was like, okay,
So that's interesting that even though theymade up, they're going there completely

(01:15:58):
separate ways. Kate and Jeanett likenot maybe buddy buddy, but they are
like on okay terms. And yetKate and mall you are agreeing that something
is off with Jeanette. There's somethingweird about her, there's something not right.
I was like, hmm, whythrow that in there. Well,

(01:16:18):
it's coming. I mean, theinterview does like is jarring. I felt
like really like uncomfortable, kind oflike watching it the first time around.
I couldn't quite hear my finger onit. And it's it's because she's Jeanette
is now fully transformed. Like Ithink back to her lawyer telling her to

(01:16:44):
like be more likable and her saying, well, you want me to be
just like Kate, And now sheis her version of being like just like
Kate in this interview. So Ifeel like now she's come full katification circle
and she's trying to like look angelic. She's like giving these like big smiles.

(01:17:11):
Uh. During the interview, it'srevealed Jeanette dropped the lawsuit. She
says it was never about the money, just the truth. And she said
she has a very supportive father anda great boyfriend who you know, punched
her in the face as all thegreat boyfriends do, does not mention Cindy

(01:17:34):
or her brother anyway. So shemirrors the to the girl who blah blah
blah blah blah that Kate's set upwith her interview, she mirrors that and

(01:17:54):
says that she forgives Kate, andshe smiles at the camera. So then
Kate and Mallory are like, fuckit, we're not gonna watch She smiles
ecstatically at the camera. Yeah it'soh god, it's so sinister. So

(01:18:15):
then Kate and Mallory like to dancein the middle of the road. This
time it's not at night, sothat's why I was like a little more
confused. It's happening in the daytime. But that's fine whatever, It's Texas.
You can do what you want onthe road. So they pull over.
They're listening to I'm Only Happy whenit rains, and Kate insists that

(01:18:35):
Mallory get out and dance with her. They're dancing in front of the car,
and then Kate rushes over to Malloryand kisses her. So it's really
sweet. I'm really glad that Kateand Mallory work through everything and like could
be there for each other and likefind each other. But that's not all,

(01:18:59):
folks, it's not over. Wegot the tag of all tags.
We're told the year is nineteen ninetyfour, and we see someone walking into
Martin Harris's house and from the sneakerswe know it's Jeanette. As it pans
up, we see that she doesn'thave her braces on, and her hair

(01:19:23):
is straight, and her clothes aresummary. It's a dress and like a
little more like girly. So Okay, Initially I thought this was right after
Christmas. Now I thought it waslike January nineteen ninety four. Now I

(01:19:45):
kind of think it it's after she'salready dating Jamie at this point. Okay,
So I think it's it's sometime betweenlike May June July of nineteen ninety
four. Gotcha, It's something kindof like spring summery. I feel like

(01:20:05):
she had the most to lose onceshe's already dating Jamie. So now I
think that's that's where we're at.So Janette goes in Martin Harris's house.
She's not like walking her usual route. Normally, she walks in the front
door, makes the laft and goesin that living room. This time,
she decides to go straight and shegoes down the hall. She's walking through

(01:20:30):
the house, Kate hears steps andshe starts calling out. She calls out
for Martin. No one is replyingto her, so she's like, you
know, hello, is anyone there, can anyone help me? It's Kate
Wallace Martin locked me down here,please help me, And Jeanette like immediately

(01:20:55):
puts her hand on the doorknob,but then it kind of hoovers there,
and she's thinking for a second asKate is pleading, and we're listening to
a instrumental version of a song thatstarts up at the very end, and
the song is Creep being covered byOlivia Holt also, and I feel like

(01:21:19):
the placement of the song and theinstrumental part in the very beginning being all
we get where it's like familiar butlike not as recognizable quite yet is a
great choice. So her hands lingeringon the door knob, and then she
takes it away and she smiles toherself, I, I like, I

(01:21:47):
have goosebumps, just like talking aboutit. I had goose bumps watching this,
even knowing how it ends, likethe way this is shot with the
hand on the door knob, likeshe I mean, she really was about
to do it, but then shelike catches herself and is like, no,

(01:22:10):
I like it where I am.I don't want things to go back
to the way they were, Andthen she's just so she has no conflict
in herself about that decision. She'sjust happy. I mean she could have
been a hero. Yeah, Likethat didn't matter to her, you know,

(01:22:32):
Like so I mean that that couldtotally appeal to somebody who doesn't really
have much of a conscience but hasa huge ego. That didn't matter.
She wanted she wanted Kate's life.She want like she wanted what she had,
Like she wanted that what she had, what she had at that moment,

(01:22:55):
she didn't want to lose and shesan toneel that good. Huh,
yeah, I guess so no,I think, well, I mean there
was also you know, the powerof having oh that she had, I
mean, like she wanted the power. She wanted that power. I mean
it was Jamie being popular, beingseen, being seen as a new person,

(01:23:19):
like the center, Like they couldhave both been too hot popular girls
in high school. But it's likewith Kate out of the way, there's
no competition, and that's what Jeanettealso wanted. Like could you imagine though,
like if she had let Kate out, I mean, she probably would

(01:23:42):
have been more popular than Kate,Like she would still have her friends,
Kate would have been her friend,Like she would have been all over the
news as as a hero. Imean she would like people would be fawning
all over her. She I thinkshe got off on the power. I

(01:24:05):
know, I know, I thinklike the psychopath like perspective. I also
think like I would have picked evenif I was like gave no fucks about
anyone, Like I still would haverather been seen as a hero. Then,

(01:24:26):
like I still would have let herout, if only to cash in
on the glory of that. Yeah, the narcissism, like the feed directly
to the narcissism of being like I'ma hero, like everyone likes me.
Like that's too high. But notfor her. She really just like wanted
the same, wanted it exactly theway it was, Like she does not

(01:24:50):
want the dynamic to shift or changeat all, Like she just wanted to
be dropped right in Kate Wallace's lifeand not leave that so fucked up,
so fucked up, so messed up. Also, like the Martin Harris House
is just the breaking in there wasjust like the gateway for her. This

(01:25:15):
is where I'm like, we needto have a psychologist and I need to
understand because I just don't. Ifeel like I understand kleptomania more than I
do. Like the repeated desire tobreak an enery. Yeah, and I
think that's why Mallory took that snowglobe, because you know she kind of

(01:25:35):
saw that a little bit in Yeah, oh yeah, Mallory definitely sees it.
It's different, you know, it'slike Mallory. The reason why Mallory
was doing kind of like bad badbehavior. It's like she just wanted to
break in once, to play agame, to be like, oh,

(01:25:56):
edgy, look like we did thisthing, or like, oh, it'll
be funny if we do this prankbecause it's funny, you know, or
like let's get high together. It'sit's a complete it's more for like the
the friendship of it all, Ifeel like, or like just to say
that you did something bad. LikeJanette's desire to do bad things comes from

(01:26:24):
somewhere else, and I think itgives her a lot of glory to do
it. And it doesn't even matterlike the like Jamie calling her a bad
girl is just like the cherry ontop, you know. Yeah, yeah
for sure. Yeah, it's it'sit's really fucked up. Yeah, I

(01:26:45):
would love to. I would loveto do like a Patreon episode sometime with
like just you know, get aget a psychiatrist or psychologist enherre a mental
health professional, and just like talkto them about their their analysis on some
of these characters. But yeah,it's funny because I totally changed my perspective

(01:27:08):
on Mallory too over the like overthe course of the season, because I
forgot I had forgotten so much aswell, and like I had you know,
I remember saying early on in theseason, even though I had watched
this show before, that we werea Valerie hate podcast. Yeah, and
like, yeah, I kind oftotally changed my my opinion of her.

(01:27:31):
I mean, she was a hugebully to Jeanette. Yeah, she's got
issues for sure, but I don'tthink she's like as evil or sinister or
even as like bad as everyone's likechalking her up to be. I think
that her and Janet have like apermanent few that is very entertaining. Yeah,

(01:27:59):
yeah, for sure. I justreally I just want Hate to get
the hell away from her for good. Yeah. I just want her to
like never have to cross paths withher ever again. With Mallory, No,

(01:28:23):
I mean with Jeanette. Yeah,oh yeah, yeah. I I
really hope that this show gets renewedfor season three and continues to get renewed,
and I really hope that they doget it in their heads to do
like an update kind of season becausethat would just be so cool. Yeah,

(01:28:47):
I mean, yeah, the anthologything is cool, but it just
it would be nice to see someof to get an update on some of
the characters that we care about,you know, particularly in this season,
I think more so than in seasontwo, because I mean, who do
we do we care about anybody inseason two other than like Megan. I

(01:29:08):
want to see justice for Isabella,you know, I want her to be
punished. Yeah, not even likethe updates. It's like I just want
I just want revenge, right,Yeah, we want to see revenge,
you know. We we want tosee like it would be interesting to see

(01:29:30):
what became of Brent. Yes,I think brem and Jamie are going to
go like a similar path of likeredemption. Yeah yeah, yeah, possibly.
But yeah, other than like,I think those are the only two

(01:29:50):
characters that that I'd really be interestedin seeing an update on with season two,
Like I don't really care as muchwith the rest of them with the
but yeah, with season one,there's like there's a lot of characters that
I care about but yeah, Iwould like to get an update on so

(01:30:15):
Yeah, that would be kind ofcool. It's a shame that we didn't.
I'm just I'm really pissed about thelack of Actually, I know,
she the family was really missing inthis episode, and I appreciated the like
Jeanette and Kate back and forth ofit all. But if I had to

(01:30:36):
give one criticism, it's that,like also like Derek, Like Derek scored
no points on the Marsha Bailey showcreds from Jeanette. Yeah, in that
chat log, it's like, comeon, are you kidding me? Just
like stuff like that. I wishthere was like two like two minute family

(01:30:57):
scenes between either of their families.Yeah, yeah, for sure, that
would have been That would have beenvery that would have been very satisfying for
sure. Well that is Ah,that's the end of our season. You
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negotiating again soon, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I hope there's

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