You Don't Hunt You Don't Eat

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Kate, reeling from the lawsuit,prepares her defense and finds friendship in an
unlikely source. The annual Wallace huntingtrip becomes the setting for an important first
meeting. You're with Cruel summer camp. Hey, guys, what's up?

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What's up? What's up? Itis. We are recording this a little
bit in advance because Pamela is goingout of town for a little while.
But we're still going to be doingthe aftershow, so don't worry. But
yeah, we are. Man,I can't believe we're like almost halfway through.

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I know, I can't believe it. This is a really fun episode
though. Yeah. There are somethings that I noticed in this episode that
I hadn't noticed before. One thatyou pointed out to me before, and
I was like, really, Ihave to look for this. It was

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the hippies. Oh yeah, thatscrazy. There was no way in hell
those damn hippies should have been there. What were they doing there? Like
somebody when hippies were invented. Ibet they were invented in nineteen ninety six,

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in nineteen ninety five or some nonsense. But were they at Starbucks?
Nope? Yeah, it completely sucksme out of it. Someone actually DMed
me when they knew I was coveringthis show, and they sent me a
screenshot of the hip It was like, it showed so many hippies too.

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I don't even think it's in thisepisode. I think we see the hippies
again. Oh my god. Theyreally like I could not keep watching this
show after I knew it was setin nineteen ninety five, and they said
that Kate was eating hippies, andI'm like, that's a really good point.
That's hilarious. That's how I feltabout Shameless. When I saw a

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write aid in the background, I'mlike, I can't, I can't do
this. So the Chicago does nothave right aids. I'm sorry they're gonna
see be a walgreenswear. It offendedme so much. It's so funny.
It's so funny when you watch showsand you like you know the details and
you know they're completely incorrect. Nowthat I live in Los Angeles, when
I watched Dexter and I've like livedand grown up in South Florida like my

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whole life, I'm like, that'snot that's none of it is filmed in
Florida, obviously, But like theart architecture that they try to like get
away with being like, oh,yeah, this is like Florida. What
Florida homes look like. I'm like, no, that's that's literally a southern
California house. And then one timethey showed a place and I'm like,

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that's down the street from me inLos Angeles. That is not Florida.
I literally get Olympic and fair factslike ell, it's it's Miami. Like
that is funny. Yeah, LikeI I mean, I my grandparents used
to live in in in Port Richie, Florida, and like I just remember

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pretty much all of the houses lookingthe same. It's like just just a
lot of rocks, but like alot of rocks outside and like just you
know, palm trees and like allthe houses kind of looked it was very

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It reminded me of Edward scissor Handsa lot. Oh yeah, It's just
like there is like a specific styleof home, and I think like if
you're not in Florida or like California, you could probably just look at it
and be like, oh yeah,that's kind of like coastal style. But

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I mean it's just like what theyused to build the houses, Like they
had houses with those like cinder blockylike kind of design things that Rita's house,
and then I swear to God we'llget back on track. Rita's house
is like very a California style house, and they're trying to pass it off
as like, oh, this iswhat houses look like in South Florida.

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No, houses do not look likethat. They don't. Like, I'm
like, that is literally a Californianstyle house, and like it's the best
thing. You're trying to pretend likeit's Florida. It's it's not. And
to the entrained, I sure,good job Pristine TV. To me,
I'm like, no, that's sofunny. By the way I looked it

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up. You're never gonna believe whenHippie's debuted when twenty sixteen, of course,
not even close. Of course.Oh man, Like, what the
hell happened there? I don't know. I mean, you're talking more than
twenty years. Yeah, that's big. That's a big boo boo. That's

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a huge boo boo. I wonderif they were a sponsored I wonder if
that was like a sponsor and theyjust couldn't get around it. I mean,
who knows, Like I want tosay, you know, oh,
they just signed a contract with hippies, got to work them in. But
even then, it's like, oh, come on, you can't pick another

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Just do your homework a little bitand pick another another brand of something that
hasn't been like in our faces inevery Starbucks for like literally the last eight
years. Yeah yeah, I meanthey're at my like they're at they're I
see them all the time at myWalgreens too, Yeah, like CBS,

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Rosary stores and stuff I seem too. It's just very like it's just very
like vegan friendly, like I eatchick peas instead of carbs, which is
not like that's not very like ninetiesdiet culture, you know. Yeah yeah,
yeah, definitely really nitpicky. Yeahyeah, for sure. It should

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be something that says like sugar free. If they were twenty four basically the
only snacks we ate were rice cakes, yeah, flavors, but everybody was
like everyone dieted back then. Yeah, South Beach diet. Something that is
like South Beach diet. Yeah yeah. Act some Atkins meal bars call it

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a day Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, So that's that's kind of
just really eating in the basement.They want to pretend it was hippies.
Yeah right, she was eating likeevery flavor Atkins Bar, some slim fast
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Butthe other thing that I didn't really pay

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attention to before was the fact thatand it's so funny because we were just
talking about this on the last episode, Like, I don't know how I
didn't realize before that he like thathe drugged her. Yeah, that completely
slipped by me. Yeah, Imissed it. I missed it. Also,

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I'm gonna say right now, ifyou're listening, trigger warning for self
harm when we get to the nineteenninety Actually, yeah, the nineteen ninety
three timeline. I'm trying to thinkof which timeline we discuss that it's not
three? Yeah, yeah, yeah, But yeah, that was like I

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don't know what I thought was goingon at that time, like like why
she would just be laying there withher head like against the wall, Like
there's so much happening in this show, Like especially like even when I'm taking
notes, I didn't even find thisas much with season two of Cruel Summer.
When I'm taking notes on Cruel Summers, I usually don't have to deposit.

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This episode, I had deposit likeso many times because I wanted to
write down like some gem of athing that Mallory said or Joy said or
whoever. And then it's like intercutwith that is already like a flashback of
you know, Kate doing X Yor Z with Martin, and I'm like,
oh wait, hold on, Irolled I've rolled it back so many

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times when I'm watching this season inparticular, it's I think, like,
and that's why you need to watchit more than once, because like there's
so much you miss Like I missedthe hippies, I missed the drugging part
two. But I mean that makessense with like what she says when she's
like, after I tried to escape, it gets worse. Yeah, yeah,

(09:22):
for sure. Yeah that was thatwas kind of that was kind of
crazy. That really was like thatwas really disturbing because I just I wasn't
prepared for that, Like yeah,but I mean so, but you like
you liked this episode quite a bitoverall though, Yeah, I like it.
I think it has a lot ofpersonality. I like seeing Joy in

(09:48):
her like good element. I feellike that's pretty I feel like that's pretty
like accurate to her character and makesher seem very like you know it gives
her more layers that I feel like, as we've discussed a lot of the
parents on Team dramas, like don'tget and yeah, it's a lot of

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fun. That's why I have thenickname bren frothing at the mouth to kill
Bambi. When Ashley said that,I was like nickname for tonight done.
Yeah, yeah, you know what, Like I I hate to say it
because like she's just actually such abitch, but I would totally hang out

(10:33):
with her. Yeah, I meanshe seems nice. I think she's like
a little too hard on Kate justbecause that's her step sister. I feel
like that she'd probably be like avery nice girl. Yeah, yeah,
I just and I just I can'tstand like what she did with you know,
with the chat room. That wasjust oh god, that that was

(10:56):
disturbing but time. But yeah,other than that, though, like I
don't know, maybe it's because Ilike her scenes with Derek a lot.
Yeah, like she's just really likablearound him. I don't know, she
seems like she'd be cool to hangout with. You know. What I
realized is this this season of CruelSummer really doubles up on Romeo and Juliet

(11:22):
relationship. Sorry, I couldn't finishedwhat I was gonna say, relationships like
between team Jeanette team Kate. Youknow it's yeah, you have Derek and
Ashley on top of Ben and Vince. Yeah yeah, Like okay, well

(11:43):
who else who else from either side? Like we're all going to pair you
up, so who else wants todate? But is on you? Knows?
Right, It's a little like Ifind that Derek Ashley stuff like a
little like cliche. I mean it'sliterally like a Romeo and Juliette thing.
But it's like it's fine. Ithink they're both good actors. I think

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the scene they had was pretty good, although like I didn't like love the
big backstory where she's comparing herself toCleopatra's sister. I'm like, yeah,
I ever, that was very contrived. It was very just kind of Leopatra
like why yeah, yeah, Idon't Yeah, I didn't really understand that.

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I thought it was really overly dramaticand yeah, right under the hippiees
in order of things that need tobe a man from this episode, yes,
exactly, and like sometimes you'll beyou know, you'll be sitting with
somebody like I know, every oncein a while, I don't know,

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maybe it's just because I have ADHD. I don't know, Like I'll be
sitting with my husband and I'll justlike rattle something off. I saw a
YouTube video recently. It'll be like, hey, did you know that?
Blah blah blah blah blah. Butit was like it was just so purposeful
and like it just I don't knowif they had done it more casually and

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less deliberately than it might have pulledit off. How anyone speaks though,
Like no one's like, you knowwho I remind me of Cleopatra's sister.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Andthis is I'm kind of like jumping way
ahead here, but I also hatethat. I also hate that when Kate,

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like when they're in court, Kate, Kate pronounces the name Burnukey,
like she wouldn't like, why wouldn'tshe read that and just automatically assume that,
Yeah, why would she not?I mean, I know it's supposed
to be Bernakey, but why wouldshe see that and not automatically think it
was Bernie? Yeah, I seethat name, and I say, and

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it's so funny you bring that up. Because when she was telling the whole
story and then you see the nameanother thing. I must have just totally
dozed off. The first time Iever watched Cruel Summer, I was like,
you know, I watch it's likego to sleep for like I'm folding
laundry and like that's what's on.So it's like, I am not one
hundred percent attentive at this point thoughI've seen this episode like three four times,

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so I'm pretty if I haven't caughtsomething now. God helped me like
at the but yeah, no,I miss that. And it's so funny
because when the screaming pops up,I'm like, oh, that's interesting because
it's like Bernicky, but she's Bernice, which is like I felt like modernization

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of that name. Yeah, sofunny. It's actually supposed to be pronounced
bernicky. Yeah, do not knowthat. She would not know that,
not at all. Like even ifshe knew who Burnkey was, she still
would not see that and automatically assumethat that's what was. She would think
it was somebody named Bernice. Yeah, oh yeah for sure. But yeah

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it was Yeah, it was justreally it was really weird. It was
really strange. The other thing,Okay, The other thing that really bothers
me is Kate's screen name Trauma Ramaseventy nine movie. Like, I think
the Trauma Rama is kind of funny. I did that, But she would

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not have been born in seventy nineunless she like skipped grades because math,
how old would she be if shewas born in nineteen seventy nine. Well,
I think I mean she was ayear. She was a year older
than Jeanette, so she probably wouldhave graduated high school in ninety five or

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ninety six. Okay, so whichis two years which is one or two
years after I graduated, which waswhich was ninety four, And I was
born in seventy six, So Katewould have been born in either seventy seven
or seventy eight, no later.So that that kind of like like damn

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it. They like, you know, you could have just found another mid
forties person to like map out thattimeline because it got it got. That's
that's annoying some Okay, I hateto say it, but Crul Summer Season
one script supervisor. I don't knowif you're listening to this, but if

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you oversight, it's okay, likesomeone they should have at least Okay,
if you leave in the seventy nineI get it. I hate math.
I don't want to do the mathif if an art team person, there's
the you know, mister purple Rowdidn't seventy nine and then didn't do the

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math right, and you let thatgo. I get it. Yeah,
but clut the hippies on the set, big big yeah big Phil pap no
no huge no no, yeah,definitely let's tut. Let's get into it.

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So the ninety three timeline starts withthis is the first time Is this
the first time we saw it?Ashley? Yes, okay, that's what
I thought. Yeah, so Rodand we don't know who this girl is.
At first, we're like, whyis Rod like with this girl in
time, like a young girl andhis guns. He's like, he's just

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there helping out the girls, scoutsget their gun patches, you know.
But yeah, it's you know,it's after she leaves he makes the comment
to hate it into Kate's that she'shis daughter from his previous marriage. But
yeah, he's basically just showing,you know, he's he's showing her to

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like he's kind of guiding her uncleaningthe rifle and and and Kate Kate walks
in and she she's kind of mockinghim a little bit. And Kate walks
in and he hands her the rifle. He's like, is that clean or
what? And and she's like shelooks at She's like, well, yeah,

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because you're OCD. And so it'skind of cute because like they were
both mocking him and he's like,do my girls think alike or what?
And she's like, yeah, Iguess we do. And Ashley it's just
like Ashley, like I don't everuse that term of endearments him ever.
Again. I like this scene alsobecause I don't know, it's like,

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uh, I feel like you seea lot of action movies or things where
people have guns, you don't everreally see people actually like taking the time
to take care of their guns,like, yeah, it actually takes So
I felt like that was a nicelittle detail. It's also giving like a
little bit of like cleanliness is nextto godliness type energy, which I like.

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And I mean Kate obviously, Likeif there's anything this episode establishes is
that Kate knows her way around agun and she's great shooting. Yeah,
definitely, But yeah, I feltI felt bad for Kate because she's like
she's just always so sweet to everybody. Yeah, and you know he's like,

(19:42):
you know she you know, shealways takes a while to adjust when
she comes back from her mom's.So I don't know, maybe she's maybe
she's nice sometimes. I don't knowif she hasn't been to her mom's in
a while, I wonder like wherethis mom is because like they Okay,
it just I'm trying to figure everythingout because I take it Ashley and Derek

(20:07):
went to high school together that theyknow each other, so they go to
the same high school, but Ashleylives with the mom. I would say
it seems like she the dad hasher like every other weekend or something.
It's like to say that Ashley likehypothetically like lives in this town and lives

(20:30):
nearby, we like never see her, We never see the mother. Yeah,
like live near all these people.So I that time around, I
was like, oh, like Ihadn't been thinking about like Ashley and Derek's
like relationship outside of like what yousee on the show. But like it's

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it's kind of like a little muddledand confusing, you know, well,
especially when you think when you thinkof the fact that you know, Joy
had referenced. Joy made references tolike when Rodd came to town and like
it sounded like he was single,so so like I so, I mean

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maybe they just have a good relationshipand like he like his his you know,
he was playing for one of theTexas teams or something like he got
you know, he ended up havingto go to Texas and then she moved
too, so like so that Ashleycould or like they like looked, you
know, when they moved. Theywere like, oh, where's like a
good school district. And you know, he just like wants to be close

(21:41):
to his daughters. So he's like, Okay, wherever you go, I'll
go, and we like still goas a package even though we're like,
you know, not together anymore orsomething like that. Yeah, Or well,
I mean he is rich, soI mean he might just be like
he might just be flying her backand forth. Two can afford it.

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But but yeah, I would actually, you know what, just like out
of all of the like little kindof minor, unimportant, totally unimportant to
the plot side stories that I wouldlove to see, like a little cruel
summer like miniseries spinoff of I wouldlove to see one on Rod's football career.

(22:23):
Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, we do a shoot what's that?
What's that show that comes out onHBO that's always about a different football
team. Wait, hold on,I'll let me scream to my boyfriend in
the next room. I love thatyou put it on. Mute I muting

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myself. I wasn't doing that tothe podcast folks, hard Knocks. I
would love let's do a Hard Knocksepisode on Rod. Yes otional football team.
Yes, I would love that.That would be hilarious potential Phreon content.
I'm not saying I don't know.If you guys are interested in that,

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let me know. I'll just writesomething up real fast. I don't
know too much about football, butI'll go ask people that do, and
I'll be like, yeah, yeah, I really, I really would like
to do some maybe, you know, like imagine if type things so yone
has any interest in that type ofcontent, let let us know. Yeah,

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I like, I'm always really interestedin Like football is my least favorite
sport. I have zero interested init, but I'm really interested, Like
I'm really interested in the stories offootball players, particularly more so than any
other sport because they're I mean,obviously like it's hard to stay with a

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straight face that they're underpaid because likethey make so much money, but compared
to all other professional athletes, they'regrossly underpaid. Oh yeah for sure.
And the disabilities that they walked awaywith, yeah, in the short times
of their careers. Yeah, thenI would definitely recommend to you Hard Knocks

(24:21):
Kelly, because it really is like, I'm not into football, but it
really is like such a fascinating story, and they focus on like a different
team and different sets of players eachseason. It's it's all lightning. I'm
not a football girl, there Iam. It was so funny. So
when I saw Taylor Swift, Isaw, you know, the the og

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Cruel Summer namer It was at oneof LA's football stadiums, and we were
trying to guess how many people werethere. It was like a dred thousand
people by the way, that's that'show many people fit there. But I
was like, afterwards, I wasin an uber with my friends and I

(25:07):
was like, I can't believe that'sso she was walking the length of a
football field every time, every song, she walks up and down, up
and down. I was like,so she was walking. I was like
football fields, Like aren't that big? I guess, And then like my
friends were like, Pamela, whatthe hell are you talking about? And
I was like, I can't believethey'd play football in that thing. Friday

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night lights makes it seem a lotbigger. Yeah, it's like laughing at
me, Like listen, I didn'tI didn't have I went to a school
of the arts in high school,so we didn't have a football team.
Then I went to a college thatit was a liberal arts college. We
didn't have a football team either,and then I got unleashed to the world.
So nothing football me. No,no, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I can't. I hate football.But yeah, it's just like their
careers are so short and and likeyou know, these guys are like they've
they're like in their twenties and halftwenties and thirties and half the bodies of
like eighty year olds practically now.It's yeah, it's awful. They need
to be they need to be paidmore, like just to compensate for how

(26:15):
dangerous of a support it is.I'd love to see like what Rod is
doing to support himself to as someonein I don't know his forties, as
like a retired retired football player,because I feel like at that point you're
like anchoring for like ESPN or yeah, book or giving motivational speeches and like

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they're cruel summers too busy focusing onKate's trauma. Yeah, so the minutia
of that, But like I wonderwhat he does. Also, I'd love
to know what Joy does all day. Yeah, I know, yeah,
definitely, Yeah, gossips and shopsprobably, and that's about it. Yeah,
that's your highlights done. That's likesix hours, you know, yeahs

(26:57):
arobic for like an hour, hegets her nails done and then she gets
some filler and then and then thanksScott for a couple of hours and yeah,
but yeah I want I want tospin off of Road and Joy.

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But uh yeah, So anyway,like we then kind of just see a
random memory of Kate getting out ofshower and she's like she's running to the
stairs and like screaming, you know, to be let out, and he

(27:41):
and Martin leaves a a box oftrail mix on the steps before locking the
door, and she's like, Idon't want any more true mix, and
it's like it's it's such a sadsituation. But when I watch the scene,
I keep thinking, like I needto use that clip for something,

(28:03):
because I feel like I could turnit into something funny. Yeah, from
from the plate pain comes the comedy. Yeah, you know I had the
first time I watched this, Ihad so many questions about the tiny glimpses
we get into Kate Kate's abduction.You know, her time was Morton and

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if you haven't seen season one andfull, basically like you'll you'll learn why
they're not showing more. But youknow, the first time I was watching
the show, I was like,that's what I want to see, Like
I'm not showing me this, AndI now I look back on it,

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and I I'm very curious to seewhat you think was happening, because I
think they purposely leave Kate and Martinstuff in like a gray area where it's
just like you can infer what youwant here. But I think that's really
tasteful and like appropriate, Like whatdo you think do you just like the

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trail makes obviously like that's not anythingto scandalous. Do you think that's like
her entire meal, like when hebrought that down, do you think that
was a time where it's like that'swhat she's the only thing she was allowed
to eat at that time. Idon't know. I don't know, because

(29:36):
like he makes references later in theseason to like, you know, cooking
and preparing her food and stuff andyeah, and so I don't know exactly
like what he's bringing her. Butbut yeah, I don't know exactly what

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he's bringing her or like she's she'sclearly got a shower down there, Like
she might even have her own littlelike kitchen setup. Who knows, but
that's true. That imagine, Ohmy god, if she had her own.
But see, I don't think hewould. I feel like there's too
many opportunities for her to like starta fire or like grab a knife,
start too much trouble. Yeah,but I'm you know, it's like her

(30:26):
relationship with food. I feel likethere probably was a point where, like,
I mean, we see later hewas drugging her food. I think
there's a possibility that at the pointof the trail mix incident, she like
wasn't eating things that he cooked forher because she didn't trust it, and
maybe she was borderline like I mean, if you're eating only trail mix,

(30:49):
I mean not starving in like yellowjackets starving way, but like it seems
like she had really limited access tofood, and I don't know, I
think that would kind of make senseof some of what we see with her
relationship to food once she's back inin ninety four and ninety five. Yeah,

(31:11):
yeah for sure. But yeah,she's like she basically just screamed you,
I don't want any more child micauseI just want to go home.
But we we then see, uh, you know, we see Kate Nash
again, and we got to mentionthat they apparently had been the rat and

(31:36):
Joy have apparently been married for tenyears for a decade. Yeah, and
Kate is you know, I Kateasks where Joy is and finds out that
she's with Scott m h. Andyou know, like she's the only one
who knows that that's that's not agood things. Yeah yeah, and uh

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so Kate asks ash if they cantalk later without the parents around, and
Ashley is just like, like,your mother is not my parents, which
is just like such a snoughtyr response. I'm like, I mean, okay,
things, Yeah, yeah, shedidn't infer that, like but okay,

(32:25):
excuse me, I mean the adultguardians. Yeah, right, what
do you want girl. It's soweird because Kate's just so sweet, and
I could see I could see Ashleybeing standoffish to her first if she hates
Joy, because she might just assumethat, you know, like mother like

(32:49):
daughter, like Kate's Like, Kate'sclearly very different from her mother. Yeah,
and has really tried to to havea relationship with her, and like
she's just not nice to her.It's really weird, Like she just had
she clearly has a lot of issuesabout the about her parents divorce, and
you know, yeah, I feellike she's just so upset at Broad is

(33:15):
married to Joy point blank. Yeah. Their shadows absolutely everything, and then
Kate is just a casualty of thatunfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, definitely,
I wish I actually wish we sawit more abashed, because I feel like
we don't see her as much aswe should, you know, like,
yeah, like she's going I mean, like Derek in relation to Jeanette,

(33:39):
right, it's like they're all goingto high school together at least for one
year, I take it. So, I mean, like Ashley like is
not in there like the other charactersare in regards to them all going to
the same school. Yeah, yeah, definitely very weird weird, but but

(34:01):
anyway, so Joy shows up andshe's like, well, if I didn't
know any better, i'd say,you guys look like you're about to go
on a hunting trip. She's inlike her her hunting gear and she's all
excited but so like they get tothe hunting place and Jamie's like, Jamie

(34:23):
asks Kate, like, do youthink your mom would let me sleep in
your cabin? No? Meet head. I know he's such a weet head.
Do you okay? Do you thinkthat Jamie and Kate had sex?
Probably don't. I don't know ifthey did. Like do I think he

(34:51):
lost his virginity to Jeanette? Idon't think so, probably not, but
but also like I feel like hewas more experienced than Janette, just based
on that conversation in the pilot,but also like I don't see, I
don't know, I just don't.Kate's just like not that into him,

(35:14):
yeah you know what I mean,Like she's really just like this is like
the most enthusiastic we see them,And even then she's like, hmmm,
I don't, I don't know.I like it would make sense with like
his undying loyalty. I guess toKate, but yeah, I don't know.

(35:35):
I just kind of feel like she, uh, she's never really been
that interested in him. Yeah,I hear, yuh, now it makes
sense. But yeah, So soDerek is there, tuckers there? Like

(35:57):
why is Derek there? That's whatI want to know. I mean it,
I think Tucker probably just wanted to. It's like I think Derek was
probably Tucker's plus one and then andthen yeah, and then uh you know,
and Ashes. Ash is probably friendswith both of them because like because
Tucker, Tucker and and Derek andAsh are probably all in the same grade.

(36:23):
Yes, yes, and so they'reprobably all good friends. And yeah,
and Derek like I don't know,like yeah, Tucker might have just
Tucker me. I've just been like, hey, can I bring my friend
Derek? You know. It's justlike when you think about like the garden

(36:45):
party one, it's like where wasAshley at that? Like if she's part
of on, why was she notalso there? No wonder she feels so
left out, you know. Butalso two, it's like so strange that
like dar like I guess it likegoes with it. But it's like Derek
like works for the family. Butalso comes on their trips. Yeah,

(37:08):
like a little funky. And alsolike Joy makes that comment where she's like,
oh you're here, and Ashley islike, well, you don't have
to say it's so surprised. Yeah. Well it's weird though, because like
the Stevenson's are the way Joy talksabout the Stevensons. It doesn't even sound

(37:30):
like they're that close, but they'relike they're always with them, you know
what I mean. Yeah, it'sso I don't know, it's it's a
weird. It's a weird set ofrelationships for sure. Yeah. But yeah,
so so anyway, I like Ithink it was I think it was

(37:51):
around episode three that I actually realizedthat that Hank's wife's name is Babs.
Yeah, it took me a whileto figure out all the scorting character names.
Babs Really Babs and Hank, youknow, a classic couple. Yeah,

(38:12):
yeah, exactly. But yeah,like you know, they they all
head into the woods, but Joyis talking to to Babs and she's like,
uh, She's like, I broughtalong a surprise and it's it's Martin,
and you know, she's like shewelcomes him and and she says that

(38:35):
it's a thank you for escorting Katehome after the party, and uh,
you know, Martin promises to likekeep things on the on the d L
and uh, you know, they'rethey're shooting, and Joy's like Joys in
her element, totally in her element. And the moment for her character when

(38:59):
she she's like gain all excited,she's like talking about like her like potentially
being in the Olympics if there wasa category. You know, she's just
like it's one of those rare momentswith her character where she's not like being
a bitch and you know, she'sjust like in her element and absolutely giddy.

(39:20):
And it was fun to watch,even though you know obviously we don't
like her. Yeah, yeah,for sure, Martin is uh, you
know, this is like one ofthose little interesting things. Martin is is
is kind of freaked out by bythe gun situation, and you know,

(39:45):
Kate just comments to you and thathe'll get used to the startle after a
while. But it's just it's likejust an interesting thing that you don't find
interesting until after you've seen like everythingthat follows. You know, Yeah,
I found that very latable. WhenI really hate loud noises, I've always
been really I'm I hate Fourth ofJuly. I'm like a dog. Oh

(40:08):
my god, I don't like fireworks. When I go to Disney World,
I literally like and they make thefireworks announcement, I like, run for
cover. Oh wow. I justlike the noise like drives me absolutely insane.
It's very scary. Guns. Thenoise of a guns Bartle is like

(40:30):
a nightmare to me. So like, I'm like, thank God, there's
some representation of people that are like, would be so scared and bothered in
this scenario. Yeah, yeah,I'm just like you said. You said
you're like a dog, and I'mjust I'm imagining you hiding in the back

(40:51):
corner of my closet with all ofmy clothes on top of you, which
is what my dog used to do. Wow, I gotta get my underst
on on fourth and oh my god. Yeah, that's your next h that's
your next curl summer camp costume withthundershirt shirt. Dog. We we actually

(41:15):
like my family dogs. We actuallydo have a thunder vest. I definitely
can't fit in it, but Ihaven't one of those. Yes, I
I lucked out. Our last dog. Fourth of July was in nightmare every
year, Like he would literally,I mean he would he would go into

(41:37):
the closet and would literally pull downmy clothes and we would come like we
would always get invited somewhere that wefelt we had to go to, and
but we would always be in ahurry to get back home, like because
you know, because of him.And we would come home and he would
the same thing every year. Hewould be in the corner of the closet.

(41:59):
He had pulled down all of myclothes off the hangers and like just
surrounded, like just pulled them ontop of him. My two my current
two dogs, neither of them givesyour ship. Like it's like they don't
even notice them. Like got ohmy god, I got so lucky.
But but yeah, so Martin complimentsKate on her shooting, and yeah,

(42:28):
she is great, aims she nailsit. Yeah, yeah, definitely another
interesting comment that you don't really realizeis interesting until much later. But you
know, Kate again tries to approachAsh again about like she wanted to,

(42:49):
you know, telling her she wantedto talk about family stuff and told her
like, you know, I triedto talk to my mom, but it
ended up in a fight, andshe she started off with like she should
have known not to start off thisway. Yeah, it was kind of
yeah, it's she should have knownbetter. But basically she's a conversation for

(43:14):
sure. Yeah, Like she startsoff saying that she heard something that thought
and she had every reason to thinkif I had heard that conversation, that's
what I would have thought. Butlike she tells, she tells ash that
she overheard something that made her thinkthat Rod was cheating on Joy and that's

(43:34):
enough for like game over. Whenyou start like that, then the conversation
is going to get shut down immediately. Yeah, And it doesn't like a
different person would hear her out andrealize that that. You know, she's
saying she thought that she had Yeah, and I mean she did, like

(43:54):
she was like, oh, itwas a misunderstanding. But it's like,
actually, is just so off putby the initial accusation, Just like Joyce
said, you know, she's like, don't go throwing around accusations. It's
like, even if you repeat thatyou were wrongly thought this too, Ashley,
it's not going to end well,right, Yeah, definitely, it's

(44:16):
just the wrong the wrong person tosay that too. And you know she
could but Ashley, I love Ashley'sresponse to it, though, she comments
that you know, if if anyif if either of them is stepping out,
it's it's Joy and she calls hera gold digger. Well, I
mean, Enjoy's like she should comewith a gold digger sign. Yeah.

(44:38):
Yeah, and you know joy isI mean, I don't know how much
money Scott has, Like he's gota landscaping company. I mean, I
can't imagine that he has more moneythan a retired NFL player. But but
she is stepping out at least that'strue. Yeah. But so anyway,

(45:07):
you know, Martin, we seeanother flashback here and Martin's like bringing Kate
some toast. Yeah, and likewe just kind of like we kind of
see her hiding and she tries tolike she tries to get away, but

(45:31):
you know, Martin locks the doorand like she's asking him, you know,
why she's doing this or what hewants, and he just he says
he wants her to eat, andshe like basically tries to attack him,
Yeah, and he just he tossesher off and just runs out of there

(45:55):
before she can do anything. Yeah, she scratches his face. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, definitely, Andlike god, I mean I'm so glad
that I've never been in a situationlike that. But it's like I've been

(46:17):
in other really scary situations like butnot where I could where I couldn't escape
from somewhere. And but it's like, I mean, after some of the
stuff that I've been through, Imean, I had a gun pulled on
me, and like I just Ican't help but always think of situations like

(46:37):
that, and I always think,I'm like, would I have the guts,
Like would I would I be wouldI be too scared to try to
make a move because I'd be afraidthat it would end badly, you know,
Like I always think about stuff likethat, and but it's like you

(46:59):
have do and so yeah, Imean like it's your chances of surviving are
much better if you try to ifyou try to fight back. And so
I'm so I was glad that.Like as weird as it sounds, I
I appreciate when shows don't show likevictims afraid to fight back, you know,

(47:23):
I always appreciate that because it's like, I don't know, I hate
I feel like that that narrative,like showing somebody who's afraid to fight back.
I just think it's a dangerous narrative, you know what I mean,
Yeah, for sure. So Iwas glad, like I liked that they

(47:44):
showed that. But uh so,you know, back in in the present
day and the non flashback timeline,she is, uh, you know,
Kate's walking out at night and sheuh like she comes across Martin and like,

(48:08):
I wonder, like part of mewonders if he saw her walking around
or something and just went out there. You know, I was thinking,
I'm like, what are the oddshe's just sitting here by himself. I'm
sure he was watching whatever room she'sstaying in and he purposely like put himself

(48:29):
there. Yeah. Probably, Butyou know, they're they're kind of studying
the constellations, and she mentions shebrings up antipodes m hm. And I

(48:49):
felt like her bringing this up hadI felt like it was something that she
had a deeper meaning that I couldn'tunderstand what that could feel't know enough about
it. When every time they showeda shot of the constellations, I'm like,
I don't know, I'm not lookingat anything. I don't know what

(49:14):
you guys want me to see,but I take it it's there. Yeah,
Well, actually no, I know, you know what, it does
have some meaning because she like shebrings up Skyland's antipodem and it's like an

(49:36):
island and like your South America orsomething, and there there are conversations about
that later. Okay, yeah,so actually I'm remembering that now, not
in this episode, but yeah,yeah, yeah, but yeah, he

(50:00):
like she's like, I wonder whatthe constellations would look like there, and
he said, you know, they'dbe totally different. She says that sounds
like a dream. So it's likeshe just wants to get far away from
Skyland. She's like, he doesn'teven have to like bait her for any
information to what's happening in her personallife. She's like, really, just

(50:20):
like that he's there, She's justcompletely willing to give up all these like
very heavy handed hints at all thefamily drama. Yeah, yeah, for
sure. And you know it's interestingbecause I'm sure that I'm sure he like

(50:42):
he realizes that his appearance helps himout a lot and uses that to his
advantage, because I mean, he'sa good looking guy. But it's not
just that he's a good looking guy. It's that he has a very kind
face, you know, Yeah,he looks like somebody who would be friendly
and kind and somebody that you wouldwant to get to know. And he

(51:08):
probably realizes that about himself. Yeahyeah, and uh yeah and uses that
to his advantage. But you know, she mentions that, like there's just
a lot of family drama going on, and he asks if she wants to

(51:29):
talk about it, and he basicallyjust says, like there's just something that's
eating her up inside. And hethen shares, which is just kind of
like it's kind of a it's kindof like a classic grooming tactic, you
know, like he shares the storyabout his dad committing suicide when he's very

(51:54):
young, and sorry, I shouldhave brought that, brought up a trigger
warning for that, I apologize,but yeah, So it's he mentions that,
which I mean horrible tragedy, andI believe that it actually happened,
Yeah, because he talks about itlater on too, and it seems like

(52:16):
it really did happen, and like, I mean, that's awful. And
he said it was like when hewas around her age m and that's kind
of why he's jumping around guns,and that kind of lets us in kind
of tells us gives us some cluesabout Martin too, Yeah, that this

(52:40):
big tragedy happened when he was aroundthat age, you know. But like
he he tells her like just youknow, pick your battles when it comes
to family, Yeah, and whichwas very sound advice. Yeah for a

(53:04):
groomer, you know. Yeah,I agree. I mean, you know,
he can't be all like like mustachetwhirling, you know he all the
time. Exactly, He's still gotto get his foot in the door.
And I think that's his goal isaccomplished, Yeah, you know, exactly.

(53:28):
But yeah, she says that shecan finally fall back asleep, and
he tells her sleep tight, don'tlet the big bedbugs bite, and which
that's an important line later on.Yeah, she repeats it back to the
adults in nineteen ninety. Yeah.Yeah, and it's just like it's really

(53:52):
interesting that she remembered that. Yeah. So we then see another flashback.
She's eating like half of her toast, but she's laying like we see the
toast half eaten, and then wesee her just kind of like clasped on
the floor. Yeah, and she'sjust like looking at Martin like in a

(54:17):
daze, and he says this partwill be over soon and then she passes
out, so he clearly drugged hertrigger warnings sexual assault. Yeah what do
you think, Like, do youthink he assaulted her? Is that what
happened? And they're just like choosingnot to show us because I'm like,

(54:38):
I don't. I don't know whatelse it would have been. It's not
like he moved her or something.Yeah, I I don't know, Like
I didn't get that. I likeI kind of just took it as he

(55:06):
he drugged her because he needed tokeep her down there and keep her docile
for a little while until he couldget like everything situated. Yeah, and
I think that's all he meant bythat. I mean it's possible. It's
possible he could have, but likeI I don't I don't think he I

(55:30):
don't think he really. I don'tthink he did. I just wasn't sure
because I was like, what willbe over soon? Like, yeah,
I guess, Yeah, there wereprobably people in the house or someone coming
through, And I mean maybe i'llpiece that together when we see more of
the episodes. Yeah, yeah,you know that's a good point, Like

(55:52):
if he had people over, thenhe probably was drugging her. Like if
he was gonna have somebody over orsomething, but so we you know,
it's the next day at the huntingtrip and Jamie asks Kate, like,

(56:13):
you know where she disappeared to andshe says that she just crashed early,
and he said that he tapped onher window, but her bed was empty,
so he started tried to sneak intoher cabin anyway, and it was
like, I thought you were scaredof the woods, and she's like,
I don't know, I guess I'mnot anymore. But we see Kate,

(56:39):
we see another another glimpse of thebasement, and Kate is like waking up
and just looking around her and justonce you realized, like watching this back
and realizing now what was happening,it was just a really like I thought
this was really well done. Otherthan the hip piece too, yeah that's

(57:00):
the hippies are in this shot andit takes me out of it. But
other than that, yes, Icompletely agree. I think everything was so
well shot. Yeah, Like Imean it really like it kind of almost
makes you feel like you're there withher and you're just like waking up and
seeing all of this stuff like likestopped up like tons, all this mouthwash

(57:24):
and like just all this shit andit's like she's waking up and seeing this
and thinking, holy fuck, he'sgoing to keep being here. Yeah,
it's like, yeah, it wasit was really well done. You know
what. Really I wonder if hedrugged her up so that he could move
all those things up and down thebasement, Yeah, and just keep the

(57:47):
door open. That's what I wasthinking. Yeah, like that's okay,
that makes that makes more sense.Yeah, And like it's like I feel
like he must have decided I didwell, like if you're gonna fight me
every time I go down here,I'm not even gonna go down as much,
Like I'm just gonna give you anythingyou need and you're gonna be here.

(58:07):
And that's that, which is like, well them honestly, Like I
mean, this is like creepy.But it's like, well, if you're
not even gonna go look at her, then why keeper you know what I
mean? Like it's so it's reallycreepy. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah. I mean he basically isjust like he's basically keeping her as a

(58:30):
prisoner at this point because he doesn'twant to go to jail. But I
don't know what he thinks is likegonna happen. Yeah, so weird,
weird. But yeah, so that'sthe end of ninety three. So if
you and you know, it's beautifulGirl by the Way by an Excess is

(58:52):
playing during that last flashback, andlike we hear the song a couple of
times in the show. M Butyeah, I actually remember when that's that
album came out, and I'm prettysure it was I think it actually came
out in ninety five, so Ithink they were a year off. But

(59:16):
but but yeah, anyway, Ijust thought it was interesting. Yeah,
very good timeline. Meanwhile, inninety four, Kate is with Ashley.
She goes in the family dining roomand she's looking at the wallpaper and she
brings up she can't believe that thefamily was looking at wallpaper samples while she

(59:39):
was locked in a basement. Yeah. I just feel so bad for her.
It's like her boyfriend moved on,her friends are not really her friends,
and her family is like busy redecoratingwhen they could have been doubling down

(01:00:00):
their efforts, like searching for theirdaughter who's literally like been down the street
for a year. Yeah, andI'm like, I don't I don't fault
them and I think I talked aboutthis in an earlier episode. I don't
fault them for like redecorating or whatever, because I like, I feel like

(01:00:21):
I would need to do something toget my mind off of that. Sure,
you know, but still it's like, I mean, as to her,
they probably didn't even think about Yeahthey yeah, probably didn't think about
like what that would be like forher if she came back. And yeah,

(01:00:45):
it was just suddenly like, oh, hey, I was locked up
and you were redecorating. Yeah,you know. So Jamie drops off Kate
for therapy and she decides to askhim what he did after they hung out.
Uh, this is two weeks ago. Jamie is like a little why

(01:01:08):
she's asking? He lies, andof course Kate knows this is a lie.
And yeah, so she's you know, she's fully in the loop that
he's lying. And it's just likeI'm leaving goodbye. Who is this therapist,
Sylvia? I feel like this isanother guest spot. Who is this

(01:01:30):
woman? Yeah? No, youknow what. I thought? She seemed
familiar too, but I don't leeEddie is her name, I don't.
I didn't recognize their name, butyeah, she like, I'm not really

(01:01:52):
familiar with anything that she's done,but she's a She's an American stage actors,
comedian, and writer, best knownfor her work on Red Versus Blue
and Camp and Camp Camp. SoI don't know, Okay, yeah,
you know what what Actually what Ifound interesting though, I actually did look

(01:02:16):
her up at one point because hervoice reminded me so much of Harley Quinn
Smith's Oh okay, and I waslike, her voices sound so similar.
I was like, are they related? And now yeah, yeah. I

(01:02:37):
just thought that was interesting because everytime I would hear her voice, like
when we wouldn't see her like onthe tapes or whatever, I thought it
was Malory talking. Yeah, that'sso funny. So Sylvia asked Kate if
she has a safe space, andKate says she doesn't believe in safe spaces,

(01:03:00):
which is just so sad. Shesaid she used to think the world
was safe, and she used tolike her bedroom. We see her walking
around her bedroom. It's so purple. It is so curated, as she
points out, and I really likethis like little bit of dialogue from her,

(01:03:22):
she says, but now it feelslike a different kind of cage.
I belong to it once, butI don't anymore. Yeah, we see
her ripping up all of her blueribbons and trophies and prizes. She said
that when she returned to her room, everything looks spoiled, which is sad.

(01:03:45):
And I feel like there is alittle bit of a double meaning there,
because I feel like spoiled is probablya word you could use to describe
Kate, not that she acts spoiled, but that she does have everything.
And you know, I think it'sjust like a little bit of good word

(01:04:06):
play where it's like she came backand now like her room doesn't even feel
as great like it used to.But also I feel like she looks at
it and sees like a totally differentperson of like who she once was,
and maybe she does view that personas being spoiled. You know, one

(01:04:27):
thing, that one thing that Iactually appreciated. And it's funny because like,
I'm not from Texas, I don'treally know a lot about Texas,
but for some reason I knew aboutI don't know how I knew this.
I think I think it might havebeen like one of my friend's moms was
from Texas, and I think shemade I think I want to say,

(01:04:50):
she like used to make um orsomething. But like I knew, so
I somehow knew that homecoming moms werething, a big thing in Texas,
but like I mean pretty much onlyin Texas. I think it's kind of
expanded to other states too a littlebit since then, but like it used

(01:05:11):
to be mostly a Texas thing,So I kind of I appreciated that.
Like she had a bunch of homecomingmoms in her room, you know,
so you know, Kate basically sayslike, can you fix me? And
the uh Sylvia says, well,you know, we can wade through your
trauma and process it. And Kate'sreply is then that's a no. Uh

(01:05:39):
you know. She she does wantlike an instant fix, and like,
unfortunately, there's just no is noinstant fix for for this, and anyone
who says there is is like lyingto you, right. So she comes
out of her therapy appointment and sheruns into Mallory in the waiting room.
Kate is like a little bit embarrassedby this. She says like, oh,

(01:06:01):
I'm just here, you know,it's part of like the procedure.
It's like a you know. Mallorysays, like therapy doesn't have to be
a secret Sylvia as cool and Kateasks why she's there, and Mallory says
because she's a child of divorce,and Kate's reply is that's it, you

(01:06:27):
know, which is like yeah,because Kate's been through like way worse.
But then they also get into thisconversation where Mallory's like, yeah, well,
like I have other heavy stuff,but it's not heavy like yours is.
But it's not like a trauma competition, which like all of that,
you know, tracks and makes completesense, and you know, Mallory introduces

(01:06:56):
herself. Kate's like, I knowwho you are, and then Kate introduces
herself and Mallory's like, I knowwho you are. Uh. When when
Kate said she remembered Mallory, shewas like, oh, you came to
my third grade birthday party, andthen uh, Mallory says, I know
who you are. You are theonly girl in third grade with a pony.

(01:07:20):
Yeah, you know what. Iwhat I appreciate about the scene is
that, like I liked that Katewas kind of embarrassed about about being there,
because like back then, it's notlike therapy was kind of embarrassing,
you know, like you didn't admitthat you were like. Now it's it's
like now, it's like, youknow, everybody who can, who has

(01:07:44):
access to therapy is going to therapypractically, you know, and it's it's
like not a thing to be ashamedof anymore. People aren't afraid to admit
that. I mean, people talkopenly about it all the time, and
but it was not like that back. Sure. Yeah, So you know,

(01:08:04):
Kate is like, uh, likeshould we be talking, like aren't
you friends with Janette? Mallory saysthey aren't friends anymore. So then Kate's
like, great, then can Itell you something? And she like sits
down next to Mallory. It's veryfunny. It's like they immediately just like
clicked and wanted to connect, youknow. And so Kate tells Mallory she

(01:08:27):
saw Janette and Jamie kissing, andMallory is like, oh my god,
like, are you going to goget her? Kate is leaving it all
up to the police. She said, there's irrefutable evidence that will bite Janette
in the ass, fair enough,Yeah, and Mallory confesses that she used

(01:08:48):
to dislike Kate. Well it's inthe sequence of these lines. Yeah,
very interesting because you know, Kateis telling Mallory about this evidence she has
that will incriminate Jeanette, and thenMallory says, I have a confession to

(01:09:12):
make and then what's the confession?I used to hate you? And uh,
you know, Kate's like, Idon't hear that very much, just
from my step sister. Yeah,and uh you know, Mallory's like,
oh, like I get why.Yeah yeah. So yeah. So then

(01:09:41):
we see Joy on the Hunting Tripin the ninety four timeline and they're talking
about people getting deposed. Oh shoot, I think this is the ninety five
timeline. My back. Oh I'mfunny, little can confusing. Yeah,
no, it does get it doesget confusing. Yeah, they're getting deposed.

(01:10:03):
It's nineteen ninety five. Never mind, I heard that on last week.
So anyway, we get this reallydreamy shot of Kate waking up in
her bedroom. It's super sunny anddreamy and well lit and warm, and

(01:10:25):
it's like very happy, and thenacross from her she sees Martin looking at
her. Music that they played wasso creepy. Yeah, He's a very
startling moment. Yeah, yeah,definitely. So Kate discusses this moment with

(01:10:46):
Sylvia, and Sylvia basically tells herthat, you know, memory distortions around
trauma are very common, and sheasked Kate to, you know, describe
what was going on with her timewith Martin, and I mean the therapist
finds this interesting. In her lineis very interesting. She said, in

(01:11:08):
the beginning, we were learning ourroles and it's like weird, but like,
I mean that makes sense of likeyou're being held hostage. There there
are roles. You know, there'sthe kidnapper and the it being gnats,
so you know, there's like anew dynamic. So yeah, this is

(01:11:33):
when we see those flashbacks. Nextscene, we see Joy comes in the
house and tells Kate the police havenews about the case, so they need
to go down to the station.So they're super excited. They think they're
about to get Jeanette. They're reallyexcited to be vindicated. But unfortunately,

(01:12:00):
if the detective comes in and saysthey have no case against Jeanette, the
fingerprints on the necklace were inconclusive andthe worst they could give her any way
as community service, that's just wild. Yeah. Well, i mean it's
like if they it's such a hardthing to prove, you know, like

(01:12:29):
it's it's it's practically impossible because Imean, if she is, if it's
it's one person's word against the others, and the other person is she was
drugged, she was traumatized. Likeit's I mean, I feel like her

(01:12:50):
her account would not be taken asseriously. Yeah, for sure, so
and and you know there's some validvalidity to that or not is up for
debate. But like it's yeah,like I can't. And and with Jeanette

(01:13:11):
being a miner, there are justso many things that like further complicated.
Yeah, like she may have thoughtthat, I mean, she's a kid.
So it's like, even if sheadmitted to seeing her, there are
so many things that like she coulduse as a defense as a as a

(01:13:34):
miner, that that an adult wouldnot be able to use. Like she
was scared. She thought that likeyou know, it was it was a
secret, and that Kate just youknow, didn't was there willingly and didn't
want anyone to know, you know, like there are so many things she
could say. And then by thetime she realized that that this was a
bad situation, she was afraid totell anybody because she thought she was going

(01:13:57):
to get in trouble and go toprison for the rest of her life,
you know, exactly it. There'sso many things, like I can't I
can't imagine that there's much that theycould do to her. Yeah that's fair,
but you know they're really upset tohear that. Yeah out, So

(01:14:18):
afterwards, Kate goes to her roomand she finds Ashley snooping on her computer,
Like what was she doing? Like, I guess she's just trying to
figure out like what Kate's up to. Yeah, like she's talking to IF
anyone. But that's like very invasive. Honestly, Kate could have blown up

(01:14:42):
at her even more here I've beenYeah, Ashley says. Basically she's trying
to be her sister, and Kate'slike, well, it's too late,
Like we've been sisters for ten yearsand we hardly know each other, which
is like completely valid. It's like, oh, yeah, now you want
to know me when I when Iwhere were you when I had no one?

(01:15:05):
Ashley apologizes, but Kate, youknow it's not water under the bridge
by any means. Yeah, they'rebasically strangers. She doesn't want her help,
and immediately Ashley leaves and Kate getsin the AIM chat room. Yeah.
Then we see Ashley and Derek meetup at the park, but we

(01:15:28):
see like what's interesting though, iswe see her get into the chat room
and she's like she's trying to reachthe person that she was speaking with.
Yeah, and it's just it justshows the cursor like sitting there, there's
nothing. No one's responding, Yeah, no one to talk to. Yeah.
Yeah, but uh yeah, I'msorry, go ahead, Oh no,

(01:15:54):
you're totally fine. So Ashley andDerek meet up at the park.
He talks about how she used analias that we heard in last week's episode
of Claire from Physics. You know, I wrote my notes they're Romeo and
juliettin it. Yeah, so youknow. Derek says he believes Jeanette and

(01:16:19):
he doesn't think she would lie aboutsomething so serious, and Ashley says she
doesn't know Kate well enough and thatshe's shutting her out, And Derek tells
this pretty adorable story of like Jeanettegoing through a phase of being scared of
him and him using a puppet totalk to her. So his advice is

(01:16:43):
using a puppet to talk to Kateand doing the voice of meat Wad basically
from Aquitine Reports. Yeah, yeah, and just just do it a little
funny voice. Yeah, that's wherewe get the whole burnicky exchange. Again.
I'm not gonna bother talking about thatbecause that just makes me grumpy.

(01:17:08):
So yeah, Kate starts this privatechat with I'm going to call her Burns.
I'm not calling your bernicky. Katestarts a private chat with Bernise.
Kate obviously does not know that thisis Ashley. Yeah, and then we
see we see Ashley, and youknow, the whole reason that like she

(01:17:30):
wasn't getting a response before is becauseAshley was right there in her room with
you. And that's the end ofnineteen ninety four. Yeah, that was
painful, Like that was so painful. Like I realized that I appreciate that
Ashley is trying to reach out toher and that she's feeling bad, and

(01:17:56):
but it's just it's so painful tojust see so many people like just kind
of violate her boundaries, you know, like over and over again. It's
just like she can't trust anybody,and no wonder she doesn't feel like she
is a safe space anywhere. Yeah, yeah, I mean her you know,
her dad is her dad's did.Yeah, but even that, but

(01:18:20):
even even him, like the wholereason that she didn't lean on him more,
Well, I feel like I'm gettingahead of myself to Joy. Yeah.
Well no, I mean that's prettymuch it. Like he felt like
he always saw her as his daughter, but he felt like, you know,

(01:18:42):
I he felt like he shouldn't.He accepted her as his daughter,
but he didn't necessarily feel like hecould parent her, like he had the
right to parent her in the sameway because he felt like he was,
you know, overstepping boundaries with Joy, right, and if he if he

(01:19:05):
had taken ownership of that role alittle bit more, if he had been
more assertive with Joy about you know, being her father, then you know,
she might have felt more comfortable leaningon him more and you know,
and not like running to Martin.Yeah, yeah, so we so yeah.

(01:19:34):
The ninety five time line there,you know, we see the family
with the attorneys, Kate's family withthe attorneys, and and and Tobin.
I'm just calling him Tobin. Idon't know what. I don't know what
his actual character's name is in thisshow, but Tobin from The Locking Dead

(01:19:57):
is you know, just explaining like, you know, there's a lot,
a lot at stake here, andKate just like I don't want to hear
about what we could lose, whatthere is to lose, and just like
you know, I am, Idon't go hunting without being prepared, So
just tell me what tell me whatI need to do. And he kind

(01:20:20):
of like, you know, kindof does like a an exercise, an
interrogation exercise with her, and youkind of see, like you see some
cracks here, and it's you know, he mentions like that they're really gonna

(01:20:41):
you know, he's like Jeanett's lawyeris good. She's no me, but
she's good, and they're going toshe's going to to press you hard and
uh and try to paint her asan unreliable narrator, but you know it's
it's not. And she says shedoesn't lie, but you know, he

(01:21:03):
kind of reinforces the idea that it'sthey're not necessarily looking at her is she
lying, It's more like is hermemory correct? Right? And it's like
the victory basically lies in the consistencyof what she tells him, So you

(01:21:28):
know, it's she just she's verycagy about about everything, like she just
doesn't want to talk about it.And and I think at this there's a
good chance that at this point intime, she may not be remembering everything.

(01:21:49):
Yeah for sure, because we seeher later on struggling with that.
But you know, a bit later, I mean a bit lighter of a
of a scene, we see Kateand Mallory getting high in the bathroom.

(01:22:09):
Yeah, and she, uh,Mallory calls her a weenie weasel, Janette
a weenie weasel, and they're crackingup over that, and then Kate suggests
that they get dunk aoos and theyjust like start giggling. It's very funny.

(01:22:31):
But so they're raiding the fridge andMallory's like, your house has the
dopest snacks. Yeah, we seea couple Mallorie a couple of times,
like comment on how how much sheloves snacks, so she must get into
her mom's stash a lot. Yeah, Oh yeah for sure. Also,

(01:22:53):
I'm like, I wonder what that'sso interesting because Joy hates like batty foods,
Like you think we have the worstsnacks, Like, but they're just
one of those households that I feellike they're just like fully stopped at all
times, like ready to party,you know. Yeah, yeah, and

(01:23:15):
uh, but but you know,like Joy comes in though, and Kate
it's like like, wait, theCalorie police are here. Yeah, And
she comes up and says, thisis taped to the front door, and
she shows them a piece of paperand it says liar on it on computer
paper like yeah, printed out.So Mallory's like, everybody in this whole

(01:23:43):
town is team Wallace, So likethat has to be like from Jeanette.
Yeah, and because she's the onlyone that's not team Wallace and always like,
you know, there might be acockroach or two that believe Jeanette and

(01:24:04):
if they undermine your story, they'lllose the house and your college fund.
And and Kate's like, oh yeah, so it is about the house.
Great, Yeah, what does havea point here though? Yeah? She
brings up the college fund and ifthe college fund goes, you're not going
to be able to leave a townthat hates you. Yeah, fair enough,

(01:24:27):
Yeah exactly. But so anyway,they enjoy Like she's like, you
know, Babs has a big mouth. Let's like, let's go on this
hunting trip and and and you know, fill her big mouth with a correct
narrative. And so Kate, Kateinsists that Mallory has to come with.

(01:24:54):
Yeah. I like to joke Mallorymakes where she's like, what are you
gonna do? Make everyone being ablood oath and oh yeah you might have
to. Yeah. Yeah, Iappreciated that. So they're at the they're
at the hunt, and you know, Mallory is refusing to participate and so

(01:25:15):
and like I'm a pacifist. They'relike, we know, Mallory show.
Yeah, but I love that,Like I love that. Kate's like like,
yeah, I don't want I don'twant to shoot either, and and
Mallory's like I'm a vegetarian and Kate'slike me too. Yeah. And I

(01:25:40):
just think you would think that afterKate's been through, her relationship to guns
would change. Yeah. Yeah,Like I it makes perfect sense to me
that she would not want to bearound guns. Yeah, we're like going
on a hunting trip. Like,I'm shocked that it was so easy to

(01:26:02):
get. I mean, she she'lldo basically anything to win this lawsuit,
you know, so she'll push through. But like, you know, I'm
like that she's there at all islike and I don't understand why her parents
can't like get that. Yeah,I know, I know exactly, and
you know they should. Like I'mjust I'm just feeling I'm thinking, like

(01:26:25):
if I were Joy, I wouldnot be like standoffish toward Mallory. I
like I would be basically practically kissingher ass because it has a friend who
she feels comfortable with, and that'slike, I mean, that's so important.

(01:26:45):
Like, yeah, I think withJoy, though she likes Kate under
her thumb. Yeah, and nowMallory is so influential, She's got to
know, like they're getting a littlestone, do you know what I mean?
Like, I'm sure, and Ithink she does figure it out later,
but like I mean, I don't. I think she sees Mallory as

(01:27:10):
being a bad influence and I thinkthe relationship that Joy wants to have with
Kate is generally toxic, and likeI think she would she wants her daughter
to be completely reliant on her,which Kate is never going to go back
to. So you know, Ithink she sees Mallory as being the person

(01:27:32):
who it gets in the way ofthis. Also, you know, Joyce
says, you don't hunt, youdon't eat. I directed and wrote a
short film that's over a hunting trip, and I literally have that exact line
in there, And when I waswatching this episode, I'm like, oh,

(01:27:53):
man, did I subconsciously take theline from Joy and like put it
in all that so funny? That'sso funny. But yeah, you know,
it's it's funny because like, youknow, I know you're a vegan
and you know, and I usedto be a vegan for a lot of

(01:28:15):
years, and like, I cannotwrap my head around hunting for sport.
I can't. I just I can'twrap my head around it. But there's
a certain level of respect that Ihave for people who like basic and I
know this isn't the case with thisfamily, but I just like the line

(01:28:38):
you don't hunt, you don't eat, like, because there's a certain amount
of respect that I have for peoplewho only eat meat that they hunt themselves,
because you know, you're not likeyou're not contributing to the awful meat
industry, you know. And andthere are a lot of people that live

(01:29:01):
in parts of the world, evenin the US, that like that's their
only option. But uh, butyeah, so I just like I like
that line. I mean, Iknow these are rich people who don't,
you know, who eat whatever thehell they want. Whenever. I mean,
they'll you know, they'll probably eatlike Joy would probably eat a plate
of puppy dogs if you get asor but uh and and uh but but

(01:29:28):
I appreciated that line though. Butyeah, so you know, they're sitting
around talking and Joy and Rod likeare telling people that Janett's lawyers are deposing
people, and Tucker comments that Vincewas already deposed and U Joy's like,
yeah, and nobody's safe. Ijust felt obligated to warn you since your

(01:29:50):
allies in BABS, like, arewe going to be under oath? And
Joy's like, I don't see.I don't understand why that would be a
problem, And I mean I don'tI don't see why it would be either,
Like I don't know like what sheis, but when people are under

(01:30:10):
oath, they get all people getscared. Yeah, yeah, yeah definitely.
But the gun goes off and KateKate gets jumpy, yeah, which
you know she used to not getjumpy. But so Joy asks Mallory if

(01:30:34):
she was the one who sent theletter. Yeah, I really like this
scene a lot. Joy shows upas Mallory's like going outside, and Mallory
also calls her Michael Myers yes,yeah, I love that. Malorie's like
Malorie's lines to U to Joy areso great in the scene, so funny

(01:30:59):
this scene. But she's like,why would I send my best friend that
letter? And you know, she'slike she feels like, you know,
I think like she feels like Mallorywould would do it, like to try
to get Kate to lean on her, like to manipulate her, which is

(01:31:21):
just an awful thing to insinuate.It's awful. But is she wrong?
Here's the thing that's like, isshe wrong? I think a read of
Mallory is spot on, Like,oh yeah, I think so. I
think I think Mallory enjoys having Kateneed her and now that because it's like

(01:31:47):
she really softens towards Kate after Katehas gone through all this terrible trauma,
which like, I can't wait tillwe get to the finale and I'll really
go have a a day with allthis. She's only interested in her after
she's traumatized. And then they havethis exchange and it's like you're not friends

(01:32:10):
with Janette great, like we'll befriends now, And you know, it's
like, I think Mallory is likeattracted to Kate but I mean her relationship
with ninety three Janette is just likethat, you know. I think she
she likes when Janette needs her,and that's part of her issue with Janette

(01:32:32):
becoming hot and popular. Yeah,And I think it's Mallory that has had
the issue with Janette's transformation and allof that. And I think that's because
Mallory likes to be in control,and so she likes the idea of Kate
being Kate's only friend. Yeah,no, you know what, I'm thinking

(01:32:53):
about it more And a big partof her does seem genuine now, like
she seems to, you know,genuine care a lot about Kate. But
but yeah, I'm thinking about itmore now, and I'm I'm seeing a
lot of what you're saying, forsure, But the exchange afterwards is so

(01:33:14):
good. Yeah, you know whatthe like as far as Malory is concerned,
Like, and and I've said thisbefore, I have a lot of
problems with Malory, but I don'tthink that that her toxic approach to their
relationship is necessarily malicious. I thinkit's relationship Ate. Yeah, I think

(01:33:41):
it's coming from a I think it'scoming from like a place of damage.
Yeah, I don't think. Ifeel like some of it was a little
bit premeditated. I'll think I'll ittowards the end. But that's that's mulling
over in my brain. Is I'mlike, how much you know, I'm

(01:34:01):
trying not to Yeah, I know, I know, I know, but
yeah, so it's it's something I'mdefinitely going to keep my eye out as
the episodes go on and the rewatch. I definitely do think, especially like
when Mallory I'm thinking about like thetherapy scene where she's like, well,
I'm a childhood divorce, which isfunny because I feel like so many people

(01:34:25):
when I was growing up would getsent to therapy because their parents are divorced.
Like that is the reason people goto therapy. But then you talk
about other stuff obviously, But Imean, I think with Mallory, it's
like, yeah, I don't thinkshe intends to be this like manipulative person,

(01:34:47):
Like I don't think she like choosesto be that way per se.
Like I think she also is holdinga lot of trauma that is kind of
hinted at, but we don't reallylike fully exp blore. But you know,
she makes a lot of bad choicesbecause of it. Yeah, yeah,
definitely, I'm gonna I'm gonna belike studying that a bit more going

(01:35:11):
forward for sure. But it's afascinating character. Yeah, she really is.
I you know what, I actuallyI think tonight I'm gonna like look
at look to see if I canfind any YouTube videos that people have done
about like like Mallory character studies.I really one of the episodes, one

(01:35:32):
of the topics I really want togo into once we're done covering this season
is like a psychological deep dive ofyou know, I was thinking obviously like
Isabella, but I mean really likeMallory, Mallory and Jeanette. I would
love to know what a professional thingsis going on into brain. Yeah yeah,

(01:35:56):
yeah, And you know, it'sso interesting because like I don't know,
I'm not gonna say what I wasgonna say. I'm gonna say that
for later because it's it's it's goingto be more appropriate later on in the
show. But oh, I justI'm sorry. I just love these lines.
Yeah it Joy goes you're not avery nice young lady, and Mallard

(01:36:19):
goes and you're not a very niceold one. Yes, I love that.
I love that so much. Andof course, like you know,
Joy's joys like, I don't know, probably my age or something. And
and you know, watching somebody myage be referred to as as an old
lady's always fun. But it's justit's hilarious. It's so funny. But

(01:36:45):
yeah, so Kate asks Mallory ifshe believes that Babs is staring at her
as they walk, which I actuallywant to get back to that comment later
because okay, yeah, I alwaysabout this. That was like, huh
what okay, like, yeah,yeah, they're walking, and she thinks

(01:37:05):
if Bab, if Babs is like, is staring at her, and but
yeah, I have some thoughts onthat, and Mallory is like, you
know what, there's something that Ithat's on my mind. I didn't want
to tell you, but since you'remy favorite person, and and Kate's like,

(01:37:27):
oh, you're mine, and it'skind of cute, but she's like
she tells her that she thinks itwas Joy who wrote the letter, and
it's she. She also says Joyaccused her. Yeah, she says the
Joy accused her. Yeah, it'sno wait, she doesn't, no,

(01:37:51):
Joy doesn't. She doesn't think thatJoy wrote the letter. She doesn't tell
her, Okay, yeah, Idon't think that this I I don't that
hasn't happened. Yeah, I wasgonna say we did miss something. But
she does tell Kate that her motheraccused her. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah that's what I meantto say, So like she you know,

(01:38:15):
and and Kate's just horrified at this, and she basically storms over to
where I'll where like the whole groupis sitting and they're telling they're telling ghost
stories, they're telling scary stories.And they sit down and and she uh,

(01:38:36):
like someone says, Haytucker usually havethe best stories. And she Kate's
like, I have a I havea story that might send shivers down your
spine. And she starts telling thisstory about Annabelle. M h and I
kind of wish that I had actuallycopied this this part of the script here,

(01:39:00):
but she basically like the story isbasically like, it's a story about
Annabelle, a girl who found herselfalone in the woods at night. She
was on a hunting trip with herfamily, who were all hypocrites because they
were like, you know, pretendingthat they could love their pets at home
while while shooting animals. Yea andI love Valeries for that reaction. She's

(01:39:25):
like, oh snap and uh andshe's like in pretending that their their relationships
are perfect, that their marriages areperfect, and like she's just kind of
glaring a lot of joy. Yeah, but like she you know, Rod

(01:39:47):
and Rod and Joy are like,Okay, this story might not be appropriate,
and Kay just keeps kind of goingand she's like, you know,
people had secrets, a thirst forgossip and accusations, and little Annabel was
alone until she wasn't. A manjoined her, one that grown ups trusted,

(01:40:08):
so Annabel trusted him to that trustleads to something unspeakable, which puts
blood on the grown ups hands too. Is they were responsible for what happened
to Annabel? Yeah, and shesays that she warns that their story is
better be straight because Annabel has herstraight and she says, sleep tight,
don't let the bedbugs bite, referencingwhat Martin said to her like two years

(01:40:34):
previously, so she still remembers that. But I what I want the comment
that I wanted to make about Babsis what was interesting to me is I
noticed Babs while this was going on, and you know, she made the
comment like do you think do youthink Babs is looking is staring at me

(01:40:57):
Berhabs while this was going on,is like the one person who didn't seem
uncomfortable, like she seemed concerned.She seemed genuinely concerned. Yeah, Like
she had a look of concern onher face, like like like she was
worried about her like she you know, like she cared. I mean it

(01:41:20):
was like genuine concern. So Ithought I found that interesting. And it
was just like there was the kindof this like funny moment where Hank was
like he looks at Babs. He'slike, who's Annabelle? And he's like,
okay, Yeah, I love thatline. Those like Babs just kind

(01:41:45):
of like looks at him. He'slike okay, But what did you think
of this whole thing about like aboutIt's It's interesting because at first, you
know, I thought this was veryaim at joy and I like that Basically

(01:42:06):
what she's saying is like, well, you the adults were responsible for me,
so this is blood on your hands. Like I don't think that's fair
to say about you know, childrenwho are kid dapped generally, but in
this scenario, like I do kindof feel like it is fair when you

(01:42:31):
brought up Bab Stevenson. And thenas we were walking through this, I
thought you were gonna say, thiswas kind of like a she might have
thought Bab Stevenson left the note andthat this is like a threat directed at
Bab Stevenson. So that's kind oflike my second train of thought of where
I thought you might be going withit. Oh okay, well that's kind

(01:42:56):
of because I was like, theybetter have their stories straight. I'm like,
well, like, I mean,it also kind of felt like Kate
decided like instead of trying to likewin people over charismatically, she's gonna like
shake them down. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah it wasn't really

(01:43:16):
Yeah, it wasn't really fair andit wasn't really appropriate, but like yeah,
she she felt like like it's likeyou kind of have you kind of
have to feel for her frustration,like she can't trust anybody. Oh yeah,
and like her mother just it's it'sso painful and it's something that that

(01:43:41):
I think society has learned in morerecent years about parenting is teaching your children
to be perfectly well mannered, obedientlittle people who like you know, always
to to adults and and don't likeyou know, never like, are always

(01:44:04):
respect respectful above everything else. It'snot really the way to go, yeah,
you know, and it's it's kindof crazy, like in the history
of the world, and I thinkit's really I think so much has just
changed since we've had the Internet becausepeople are seeing other points of view and

(01:44:26):
other like ways of doing things,and it's so it's not like it's not
until recent years that people realize thedanger in bringing up your kids like that,
because then stuff like this happens.They don't understand boundaries. They think
like they have to you know,defer to whatever the adults around them,

(01:44:50):
Yeah, which is not a safeway to go. Yeah. And also,
like Kate is being like trotted outon the hunting trip, like she
does not want to be on likea little show pony for her lawsuit.
Yeah, yeah, definitely for sure, but but yeah, so she's kind

(01:45:13):
of just slashing out. Then wesee Kate and Mallory in Kate's room and
she's like she pulls out her therapysessions, her therapy session tapes, and
Malory's like, Mallory's kind of concerned. She's like Sylvia said that it can
be really traumatizing and Mallary does notwant her going through the therapy tapes.

(01:45:36):
Yeah, yeah, And she tellsMallory like, you know, people are
gonna doubt her, and the onlyother person that was there didn't make it
out alive. My memories all thatI have, and I need to get
my story straight. And she,you know, she puts on her headsets

(01:46:01):
and starts like like going through thetapes and she kind of like she stops
and listens to the part where she'stalking to Sylvia about like, you know,
things getting worse, and she saysthat shortly before she was rescued,
Martin came down the stairs and somethingwas different and that's when she met Annabelle.
And Kate's like kind of disassociating abit, and she's like she can't

(01:46:30):
Sylvia asks who Annabelle is and shecan't remember, and you see Mallory like
just mouthing the words like are youokay, yeah, and it's like she's
just kind of totally out of it, you know, and like she can't
even hear her, and she's justlike she like she's just very very confused

(01:46:54):
and concerned about what she's hearing onthe tape. And you know, I
I'm just wondering listening to this backif she's like remembering what Annabelle means.
I don't remember what annimbal really,I don't remember anymore, okay, remember

(01:47:15):
so I'm in the dark, justlike Kate. I'm like, I don't
remember either. Who knows, girl, I remember Annabelle, I remember who
animal is, and she it's like, I'm just remember. I'm just thinking,
like, as this is going sheremembering this right now? Yeah,
is this jogging a memory? Andif it is, then it would be

(01:47:39):
very traumatic. And or is shejust like still struggling to remember and what's
actually got I can't I can't jumpahead. I don't know. I have
a lot of thoughts on on Annabelleand her memories of Animal Bell later on,

(01:48:00):
well we'll get there. I can'tparticipate because I don't know that.
Yeah, yeah, I have alot of thoughts on Annabelle and what she
remembers. But yeah, that's prettymuch it. That's the end of the
episode. And yeah, it waslike it was a really good episode and

(01:48:24):
really kind of like disturbing. Itwas one of the more disturbing ones for
sure. I think, just yeah, when when we get into you know
her kid kidnapping or captivity. Idon't know what's like the most appropriate way
to like refer to it. Butlike once we get into her time with

(01:48:45):
Martin, it gets much more scary. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
And yeah, I keep in mindjust one thing to remember about this episode
is is the song beautiful Girl,because we'll hear that again later on.

(01:49:13):
But but yeah, like I justI can't believe I didn't. It didn't
like hit me before when I waswatching this before that he had drugged her.
I like completely blotted that out ofmy memory. It's amazing parts this
show stuck and like what did it? Yeah? Yeah, sure, yeah,

(01:49:35):
but yeah I really don't think thathe assaulted her while she was out.
I mean he could have. Imean I wouldn't put it past him,
but but yeah, I think Ithink it was a situation where he
was just like he needed her tonot be fighting back against him while he
was basically getting everything in place.Yeah, when he's while he's pulling in

(01:49:58):
the Costco run Yeah yeah, andputting like you know, the cages over
the windows and you know all thatstuff. So yeah, yeah it was
interesting and I still continue to getdistracted by how much Blake Lee looks like
Freddy Highmore. He does. Hehas like a trifecta of men that have

(01:50:24):
been in like teen dramas in additionto Freddy Highmore that he looks like.
And then Jamie looks then old conempree. Little liars have been saying it.
I'm gonna let me know if youcompletely agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we didn't even see Jeannette in thisepisode. Nope, yeah, I

(01:50:44):
mean we Derek was the only Turnerfamily member that we saw, right,
Yeah, this was a Derek ona hunting trip episode. Yeah, which
is cool, Derek. It's thismoments. You know what if I'm thinking
about, hm, you know whatI was thinking about, is I wish
that I, like one thing thathas been missing from both seasons of Girl

(01:51:08):
Summer. None of these families havepets. I agree, you know why
though, It's I'm amazed you seeas many animals in like sitcoms as you
do. It is extremely expensive andhigh maintenance to have. Basically, like

(01:51:30):
any animal you ever see on camerais trained to be on camera. There
has to be a handler with themat all times. There's also like additional
insurance. They have to have theanimals also like can only work a certain
amount of hours because there's like rulesagainst that. So like I free form

(01:51:51):
like just wants to you know,getting get out spend their money on hippies.
Yeah that's so funny. I meanI agree, like we need some
animal. I'm every time I recordin here, my cat uh rolled across

(01:52:12):
across the screen so she could takea nap next to me. And I
have a bunny that is jumping aroundground. So I keep telling my husband
that I want to get like alittle like a little love seat back here,
and you know, then maybe likemy dogs could make occasional cameos because

(01:52:34):
they will definitely jump on that.But you can you never see them because
sometimes they'll come in. I'll leavethe door open sometimes when Jim's not home,
and they'll walk in and out ofthe room, but you never see
them because like they're too low inthe ground. But yeah, it's we
used to There was a dog onThe Walking Dead. M and Jim and

(01:52:57):
I used to make all kinds ofjokes about like about you know, when
the dog. When the dog hada lot of screen time in a particular
episode, We're like, oh hewas he was getting really demanding like he
was. He you know, hegot a little more aggressive in his in
his negotiations. That's so funny.One thing I noticed. I am a

(01:53:20):
horse girl, and when I watcheda Game of Thrones, you know,
I mean they have all these peoplesitting on these horses, right, I
mean surely not everyone in the castknows how to ride a horse. And
like, horses definitely pick up onpeople's energy, and like if they wanted

(01:53:42):
to like give you hell, likethey absolutely could. They have most people
in Game of Thrones on this pureblack horse. I am convinced that is
the same one horse and if hemake no horses, and like you know,
like how they turn their ears likewhat you know, like the way

(01:54:05):
that this one all black horse thateveryone is riding on. Everyone is on
a pure black horse. It's thesame horse. That horse is chill as
hell. They just actor on thesame like one horse. And I'm like
and the people will be like I'mup in arms about this, and it's
like just look at the horse.The horse is like yeah, man whatever,

(01:54:30):
Yeah, no, I mean it'ssmart because no, I mean horses
are like I mean, they're likethe most sensitive animal. Yeah, they
really are. Like, I it'sso funny that, like you grew up
in South Florida and I grew upin Chicago, but we're both like horse
people somehow. Like it's like definitelylike a horse, a horselely presence in

(01:54:56):
South Florida, like we have Wellington, which is like I'd spend much time
there. But I'm actually a worseperson because my mom was a worse My
mom had a pony, Okay,so she grew up loving horses. And
then when I was little, myaunt took me like horseback riding and stuff
like that. And then as Igot older, I when we went to

(01:55:23):
the Grand Canyon, I rode amule around the Grand Canyon, and then
I enjoyed it so much that Iactually did an even longer trip, and
honestly I do it again. Likethey have like overnight camping trips where like
a mule takes you like into theGrand Canyon you camp there. I would

(01:55:44):
definitely do it. It's like Iwas like right a cliff, but it
was incredible. Mules are very shorefooted. Horse could never do that,
I tell you. But after thatI got really into horses again, and
I spent many years volunteering at ahorse sanctuary until they moved. That's so

(01:56:10):
awesome, Like that's one thing thatI always wanted to do because I got
started horsepec riding really young, likejust during the summers because my family would
my grandparents had a place into ourcounty, Wisconsin, and there are like
horspec riding places all over the place, and like we would go several times
during the summer and it's uh,I mean it as crazy as it sounds.

(01:56:36):
Like it was one of the moreaffordable activities and so we went a
lot, and so like I gotused to it, really I got I
fell in love with with horses ata really young age. And like I
swear to God, if we there'sactually a stable about thirty five minutes from

(01:56:57):
here, and if we lived anycloser, I would totally be looking into
into Like I forget what it's whatthe I know equine therapy is more like
more like for like neurodivergence and mentalhealth and stuff, But I forget what

(01:57:20):
the hypotherapy which is like more physical, which is like you know physical therapy
but with on a horse. LikeI would totally do that if we lived
any If we lived any closer,and I wonder why it's called hippotherapy.
It's kind of like no idea.When you were trying to remember the word,

(01:57:42):
I was like, I can't helpyou, but I some of the
rescue horses would do like different typesof therapy with different folks, and yeah,
it's I love horses so much.Yeah, now I do too,
I totally do. Like it's sofunny because when we got to so,

(01:58:02):
I was telling Tamil I actually senther a picture earlier because I was playing
with some goats at a little pettingfarm nearby. And it's so funny because
I was like I was. Wewent grocery shopping right afterward, and I
was like, oh my god,it smell like a farm now. But
it's I always feel like such abig weirdo because I'm always like I love

(01:58:24):
that smell. Yeah, I likethat smell too. I like that smell
too. And you know what,it's usually just hey, yeah, actually
just hey, you smell like Andit's so funny because having a bunny,
like my bunny has a little box. She out no, she's in her
tunnel otherwise, igree but you know, there's like hey all the time in

(01:58:48):
this room, and like just likenon bunny owners too, bunny owners.
I don't even think this room evensmells that greatly of hay. But like
my friends who like don't have rabbits, when owner people that do through it,
it smells in there. I'm like, you're not smelling like manure,
you're not smelling droppings, You're literallysmelling hay, and that smells like woodsy.

(01:59:10):
I'm like nice and like I lovethat smell. But yeah, I
would like all like volunteer with likefour hours with horses and where I'm like
literally shoveling shit. And I'm like, I this is must be weird for
anyone who encounters me in Los Angeles. But I'm like, hello, I'm
like dusty and smell like horses andI'm covered in fur. That sounds awesome

(01:59:33):
to me. That sounds like agreat time. I don't mind shoveling horseshit
like me. The trash cans wouldget the not trash cans, excuse me.
The dumpsters would get so full thatwe would climb in them and just

(01:59:54):
like stump And there's some videos ofme like inside a dumpster, just like
jumping up and down in like rainboots. Oh my god, Okay,
that's that that is, I can'tsee myself enjoying that. But the rest

(02:00:17):
of it, sure, it wasn'tthe worst, you know. The course.
I haven't volunteered with horses in awhile though, because it's it really
is a full body workout, youknow, cleaning stalls where it's like now
I volunteer with rabbits and that's likeso much easier. Yeah, yeah,

(02:00:39):
yeah, I mean, like Ivolunteered for several years at a like at
a dog shelter, and like Imean I watched the dogs. That's literally
what. I watched the dogs anddid adoption screenings once I'd been there long
enough, and that's that's it.I mean, it was like there was

(02:01:00):
nothing. It was fun. Igot to play with dogs and and you
know occasionally like get humped by bythe Troublesomeone's my my dog that I adopted
from there, used to hump meall the time, used to hup my
leg all the time before I adoptedhim, and then you're mine. Yeah,

(02:01:23):
and then and then once I gothim home, like he totally changed,
you know, but he was likehe was trying to dominate me before
I adopted him. I'll show thisvolunteer whose boss. Yeah, I like
jokes on you, buddy, I'mgonna be dominating you now. It's the

(02:01:45):
sweetest dog. But uh yeah,sorry, guys, we're just like,
you know, we're talking about horses. But I enjoyed it. I hope
everyone did too. Things. Ihope so too. Yeah, I like,
you know, my shows are alwaysfull of tangents because it's just I
mean, I like, I haveI have ADHD. My first two co

(02:02:12):
hosts both had have ADHD. I'mprobably un diagnosed. If if I really
got into it, I feel likeI would come back with a few diagnoses.
And I'm just like, you knowwhat I'm not. I'm not mentally
prepared for you to tell me whatyou know. It's so helpful though,

(02:02:34):
like because if you if you haveADHD, you like, once you get
that, once you get an understandingof it, like it opens this whole
new world up as far as likeways to work with it, you know
what I mean, Like I wishthat might because I was I actually was

(02:02:56):
a rare case where I was diagnosedas a child in the eighties didn't happen
very often, especially for girls,and my parents just didn't take it seriously.
And I wish they had, becauselife would have turned out a lot
different for me probably, But likeI just there were certain times where I

(02:03:19):
like, basically I would go backand forth between like failing every other class
and being on the honor roll,Like it depended on like what was going
on in my life at the time. But yeah, it's just like it's

(02:03:40):
it's so helpful in knowing that andunderstanding it if you have it, because
it's just like you can learn howto work with it and you know,
get around it. So it's yeah, so I'm glad that I finally got
that. Come come in below andtell us if you two have adhd yes
and what animals you volunteer with.Yes, yeah, exactly, And tell

(02:04:04):
us what you'd like us to goon a tangent about next. Yeah,
let me know what type of tangentyou would like us to go on.
Just give us a topic and thenwe'll get we'll get really specific. Yeah
yeah, yeah, like it's youknow, it could be about snails,
and I like, I know nothingabout snails. I can talk all day

(02:04:25):
about literally anything. Yeah, yeah, me too, probably, Yeah,
I probably have had some weird dreamsabout snails or something that I could talk
about anyway. I actually do havesome wild stories about snails. Leave a
comment if you want to hear.Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

(02:04:47):
All right, Well that pretty muchwraps our episode. We uh, we
should Pamila's going out of town fora little bit, but we should be
on schedule with everything, so ifanything happens where we're not, we'll let
you know. But you know,keep keep expecting the content to come out

(02:05:08):
when it usually does. And youknow, we're sticking with our Tuesday after
shows for now only like six moreweeks left. It's kind of a bummer.
Yeah, but I think we're stillgonna pop out some more episodes on
more specific topics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah,

(02:05:30):
definitely, We've we've got some ideasthat we've been been thrown around, so
and maybe we'll, you know,maybe we'll get into a like an alternate
universe fan fixed scenario of Rod andJoy. Who knows. I really want

(02:05:51):
to write something on season two also, like I really want to, you
know, finish that story and dosome deep dive. I really want to
continue Kate's story. Like, yeah, I just think there's so much there's
so much more. Yeah, forsure, and then example for me for

(02:06:15):
free Form. There you go in, there you go and be like,
please put this on air. Okay. Yeah, and then when when Curl
Summer Season three starts, you guyswill come back and and see me co
hosting with with with Pamela and abear costume because she's working for free Form

(02:06:36):
now and can't reveal her identity.Yeah, I'll be all, don't worry,
free Form. I will definitely obeymy nda and I'll just work around
it and we will have to censorme. Yeah, she's gonna She's basically
gonna take over a show runner forCurl Summer and so like all of the

(02:06:59):
i'll like the ideas we talk abouthere are going to happen in future.
Yeah, they are going to happen. Do you because you're reform Like,
I hope you're listening. I'm sorry. I'll treat been like you know,
we love you. You're great now, but Pamla's gonna take your job,
beware. Oh my gosh. Allright, guys, we will see you

(02:07:25):
next time. Take care of

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