Dank Side of the Ring

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Speaker 1 (00:37):
And welcome to Dank Side of the Ring, the only
wrestling show where the logic is shakier than a Vince
Russo trying to explain to reverse Battle Royal on a
pole match. Bro, this is where zombies eat wrestlers, mimosa's
and feuds, and somewhere Eric Bischoff is pitching this whole
episode to a network while riding as Harley and screaming
about eighty three weeks not understanding streaming, just so we
can kill it off faster than a Goldberg match. Tonight,

(00:57):
we dive headfirst in the matches that made us laugh, cry,
and ye know what the actual fuck these are about?
So cursed, so chaotic, so dank. They make Cornette spit
out his Wendy's and scream who booked this crap? This
ain't wrestling, This is a felony and spandex. So grab
your steel chairs, enjoy that special cheat, and suspend your
disbelief because it's time to descending the beautiful chaos that
is the Dank Side of the Ring a Mango And

(01:20):
today we are joined by Smoking himself, now co host
of the show with us, So everyone ready to light
it up and let's talk some dank matches that we
all enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So welcome, Jelly, thank you, thank you for having me.
Hello what an int.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I know? I mean, we gotta light it up. We
gotta celebrate this beautiful holiday. You know, it's Mania weekend,
it's Easter and well something else.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
But you know, so we're just gonna say that everybody's
pam is going to be the best ham they that
walk before you eat, Aunt debs, mashed potatoes and deviled eggs.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Kiss No. So we were thinking of some fun episodes
to do, and you know, one of the things that Smokey, Rachel,
myself and Emily always seem to talk about is there's
matches we seem to enjoy the other people kind of
like pooh pooh or just don't seem to like. So
we thought we'd take some of the some of our
favorite matches, moments or wrestlers or gimmicks just talk about

(02:20):
like maybe they weren't liked, maybe they were kind of ridiculous,
but hey, we enjoy it because wrestling's supposed to be fun.
Wrestling supposed to be entertainment. So that's why I figured.
So I figured, if you guys want to start off,
I have some matches. I know, Jeff, you have some matches,
so we can kind of spitball some matches here that
we think are pretty dank. So, Jeff, since you're the
guests on the show and going to let you go

(02:40):
first too, do you have any matches that you think
are fitting into this category.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh yeah, there's definitely a ton of fun style matches,
both good and bad of course. So I mean, I'm
gonna throw one out, and I'm sure this one will
be a popular one, and we get this one going
right away will be the Momosa Mayam.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's our number one.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Look at this, You guys would enjoy that.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
So it's definitely one of my top matches. I do
the signboards for my work, and every time I try
to write like something to do with mimosas to advertise them,
I just want to call it Momosa mayhem. But when
I did say weekday Momosa mayhem, because we have sales going,

(03:26):
people asks can I get the Momosa mayhem, and like
that's not a flavor, So I had to like tame
it a little bit. But I think it's so iconic
to me that this match just lives rent free in
my head.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
It does.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean, well, in Orange Cassie, I think fits
this uh type of fun and kind of episody, you know,
nonchalant and fun and just different things. You know. I
figured he fit this kind of episode perfect. So that's
why I kind of figured I would lead off with him,
just because this match, you know, it was fun and
maybe in a lot of ways it shouldn't have worked,
but it did, so the.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Build up to it, I still laugh at it. Ortiz
just slips into the orange juice done and then he
gets the towel and it's orange. I just couldn't like.
Orange Cassidy nailed every bit to this, and the jacket
is still being used in storyline.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I mean, I mean, what about Bishoff making his cameo
and aw, you know, moderating the debate and Jericho's jaw
dropping when Cassidy starts speaking, He's like, the entire time
just mouth open aghast And I like it because the
whole few was build up on like disrespecting Orange Cassidy,
and Jericho was saying he's.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Like the demo god and it's ironic.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Now it's like Bischoffs brought it and Jerich was calling
himself the demo god. Somebody who's obsessed with demo Ak Bischoff.
And it's just it was such a good mix. During
an era of a comedy, you know, twenty twenty, we
really needed things outside the box for wrestling, and this
was so perfect. You could win by Pinfalls and bish
or you get dunked in the Mamsa bath, which is
what happened, which it was great seeing the side of
the ring. It looked like two entrance sunnels on its side,

(05:07):
just giant bats of orange juice. And I don't know,
I just I'll forever, forever be entertainments match. I think
I've watched this match one hundred times because it is
one of her favorites. So I actually had another match
that I don't know if we're going to stay with
twenty twenty here, and I knew Emily didn't remember this match.
Once I say it, she does, and I think, Jeff,

(05:28):
once I say the show, remember the tooth and nail
match Britt Baker and Big Swoll when they had their
fight in the dentist office.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yes, so Britt.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yes, because remember Britt was selling her injury the whole
time she was in the wheelchair, and Big Swoll was like,
you're faking it, and it was such a funny build
up and it was so absurd. It was just the
most ridiculous match and just I don't know, I just
thought using the dental drills and throwing around the office
and you know, rebel, like you said, bursting onto the

(06:01):
scene and the wind of Swoll putting the gas mask
on Raker and she just like goes to sleep basically
like it was the most carny thing.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
But I enjoyed it. Yeah, it was hokey, but it fit,
and like you said, we kind of needed a little
bit more entertainment. It's different stuff like that. Plus you know,
played along with britz gimmick of being a dentist.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
So no, I just I will say I enjoyed Big Swoll.
I know she didn't get the probably the run that
she wanted, but this match was perfect for her and
Britt because it was such fun way to end their
feud and kind of keep the storyline going. And like
you said, it was just it was fun. It fit,
you know when it first happened on the pre show
and like really and that happening, Okay, they made it work.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, Yeah, it was entertaining, which is the whole point.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
So A right, So what the matches you got, Jeff,
I saw.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Your notes, So I'm gonna bring these up. I guess
I'll just do them as a duo just because I
know some people do know about them, some people don't.
But I'm gonna bring up the Talking Shop of Mania
and to which Emily, do you know about that?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I remember watching it, but I think it was only
for a specific wrestler.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes, there was a lot of Yeah, they had had
too bad versus s ex Ferguson. Yeah, I mean just
crazy off the wall ship but fun. And it's the
wrestlers doing it at Gallows's house, and like they're driving
cars and gators and and I mean there's a ton
of talent there, like ton Yeah, and they're all playing

(07:46):
different characters and doing different shit. It's a lot of fun.
And you know, they just did it on their own
and and all that. So I just had to bring
that up because I think that's I don't know, fits
them to guys. You know, they just had all their
buddies were wrestlers over. They got fucking hammered, had a
great time and wrestled each other and did crazy shit
all over gallows Is property. In the house, you know,

(08:08):
so who couldn't have fun doing that?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, it's it's great. It's kind of like the Janella
spring breaks or I know you're talking a little before
he went on the Invisible Man match that you liked.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yes, if you look back, I believe it was gcw
it was, it.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Was around, it was the Collective GCWG, it was the same.
I think it was PWG.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
But Bryce did a match where he reft the Invisible
Man versus the Invisible Stan and he just went around
the arena and they were calling the moves out and
they were jumping off balconies and they were doing all
these crazy movies anticipation. Yeah, like every little detail that
Bryce brought to that match I think is honestly why

(08:48):
he succeeded so much in a ew and I think
that it's a secret little thing that like it might
have been really cheesy, but at the same time, his
level of acting in that match amazing and it gets
me every time, like it is just so stupid.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And that's and that's why I wanted to bring that
along with talking because it's not like a Talking Shop
Mania where it's just these matches weren't supposed to be serious.
You know, one I kind of think of g SA
at time was Joey Janiell doing the six feet match
when they were six feet apart wrestling each other, right,
Joe Jell doesn't hip toss and the guy flips four
and then the guy they're doing the test of strength
and they can't quite get the test of strengths and

(09:25):
they push each other over, and the ref's like outside
the ring and he tells him put your mask back on.
Six feet six feet. It's so ridiculous, and you know,
I feel like covid air are wrestling doesn't feel real
when you look back at five years ago. How did
we watch this with a straight face? But you were
just so starved of wrestling because you either had the

(09:46):
Thunderdome or you had you know, the dailyes play shows,
so you didn't really have a lot. So when you
saw these things outside the box, you're like, this is entertainment.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
It was the pandemic. Was anybody straight faced?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, well that's fair, but you also, you know you
kind of, like I said, you kind of needed that too,
because you know, everybody kind of need, like we said,
needed to let loose have a little bit more fun
do things like that.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
So yeah, it's it's great. What else you got on
your list?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Jeff?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
These these are great so far. I love these some
of these members say oh yeah, Like I love when
they kind of pop back like you're saying when your researching,
like oh, I forgot about that one.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, a ton of those, So well, if we're gonna
do some of those matches, then I'm gonna bring up
another one. And it's that when we talked about earlier,
and it gets a lot of criticism and it gets
a lot of love too, I guess. But is that
Kenny Omega versus the Little Girl in Japan? You know,
I think it. I've watched a couple of times, and

(10:45):
I think it's pretty entertaining, Like it makes a lot
of it look pretty cool. I mean, obviously we understand
it's a little kid versus Kenny Omega, like, come on,
but it's professional wrestling. We can do that, right.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
And it was choreographing a way, like when the little
girl goes up for her and run on, He's throwing
himself with all his strength and a flip.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
And like it was over the top and ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I loved it, and I know, you know, Cornette has
shited on it, like you said, people have shot on it,
but taking it for wrestling seriously, in my opinion, if
you take it too seriously, you're not a wrestling that
it's not supposed to be taken serious.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, and that was the other thing that covid Era
kind of, if you want, in my opinion, almost brought
out like some of that eighties bullshit in a way,
you know, from when I was a kid, you know,
with some of this stuff we've you know, we've been
talking about kind of reminds me, you know of that
character based kitty style, you know that was kind of
hockey with a lot of different things.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know, sometimes I wonder if I was a fan
in the eighties, would I have actually enjoyed that kind
of stuff you watched Glow? So I think about this
and I'm like, oh, but like the Repo man, it's
so much about like you, right, and then agents the
Librarian when even lays out the books for Peter Avalon

(12:03):
to go across, and how much I popped in the
battle that, and then you've got Lucasaurus with the tailspin,
like the little things that I really do love about them.
I'm like, I would have loved you. I would have you.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Love the outrunners? Which are the outrunners? You love the outruns.
They are the embodiment of eighties wrestling.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
But that's what I didn't like. When I'm thinking of
character work, I'm thinking like, how did they ever make
repo man a thing?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Like?

Speaker 3 (12:27):
How did they ever have irs be a thing? And
then I realized it's because I don't know their stories
that go with it all. I only see their matches.
But again, like you've got the Baker stuff, so.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
You've got all them to put that perspective to you.
Some companies were more about making a television show, making
a story, and somewhere about work rate. Some WBF was
not known for having work rate for a lot. That's
why a Shawn Michaels or Brett Hart stood out, because
they weren't really known for having so irs. Wasn't known
for being built about work rate. He was known for

(12:58):
being the over the time heel villa. And it's time
to follow your taxes. It's April fifteenth and on the
coliseum videos like you have to buy this video for
nine nine nine taxes not included, like just that over
the top annoying character that Ted Dibiassi didn't win his belt.
He bought it from Andre after you know, he basically
cloned Earl Hebner. Like that's another going you know, Saturday

(13:20):
main event, you have Hogan and Andre and he gets
screwed out of the title and then millionhillp Man buys
the belt off Andre. Now he's the champion because everyone
has a price. And yes, it is hokey to go
back to, but it's that character work because but yeah,
it's because you're spoke because now you're getting nowadays, you'
getting the characters with the great ringwork. You were always
getting the great ringwork, but sometimes just Stan Hansen great worker.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well yeah for me though, like yeah, I remember I
was born in seventy nine, so like my you know
zero from to ten was pretty much the eighties, so
like it was all character based, you know, and you know,
it was Hogan on top. It was the you know,
Red and Yellow just because I mean I liked other people.
But when you're a kid, you know, those big heroic

(14:07):
characters and personalities kind of get you. And then you
start learning about working and doing other shit and you're like,
well maybe I don't like them. You know, right, So,
like I said, the eighties are different, but that's part
of my what drew me to the Outrunners and why
since you mentioned them, might as well go ahead and
throw them out there right now. Is I fucking love
the Outrunners. I'm so fucking happy for them. And it's

(14:30):
awesome because all they're doing is playing the old school shit.
When I was a fucking kidden, you know, like I
said to probably like ten years old or so, that
was probably you know, what I saw was stuff like that.
But they also can work, you know, and do stuff
like that, which makes it even better for.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Me and the whole. Yeah, And I think that's what's missing.
You know, you have to have the crowd work. If
you can't captivate the crowd, it's over. It's over before
it started.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
They got you, son of a bitch over like they
literally grab each other, you son up a bit.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Every youngest men alive, vascular and all this. I mean,
they're getting all kinds of shit over and you know,
and and okay, bringing out fun stuff. I'll go ahead
and throw this out there. And I've talked to Rachel
about this before, But you can have the biggest fucking heel.
But if they have something, everybody in the crowd chants
it and then they're booming on the entire rest of

(15:27):
the time. But okay, you don't like monet well ceo, ceo, ceo,
you know what I mean. And then everybody fuck you
and yeah suck, Yeah, you know what I mean. And
but like you know, Adam Cole getting this boom and
out of col Bit, you know, anybody that has shit
like that, I love it. We hurt people now, that
one's huge. We hurt people. You know, it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
And I think it's great though, like I know, because
a lot of people kind of get upset, Like that's
a great point, you know, when a heel gets the
cra but they're still supposed to work the crowd. I mean,
Mjf's another goe who does. He'll I'm better than you
and you know it, and then he'll say something except
for you know, except for the Phillies, say fucking suck,
and then the whole crowd's like, booh, fuck you. Like

(16:13):
it's just the ability to have them eat out of
the palm of your hands and then get you to
hate them. Or you have a Moxley who doesn't care
about the crowd work. But he's just like, I'm an
old school eighties heel. I'm not giving you your title.
I'm not giving you what you want me to have
him wrestling match. Fuck you, I'm just having a fight.
You want me to show up every week? Okay, good,
I'm just gonna cause interference. You want me to do this,
I'm just gonna leave. Oh you want me to lose,

(16:34):
that's the point. So it's it's great to see those
different styles of heels. And I think Jericho, you know,
because he's a lot on this list, he's one of
the best heels, you know. He he recognized that they
shouldn't be you shouldn't be selling merchan fere heel. That's
his mentality for she shouldn't be selling much. But then,
like to your point, when Judithy came to say eve
when he's a heel, people are still singing Judas. So

(16:56):
even he recognized the evolution that sometimes you gotta kind
of pander.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah for heal.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, he's he's not underrated by any means. He's very
well respected in the community, but I don't think people
give him his real Dudes, he's been doing this for
so long. He's been pretty much at the top of
the game the whole time. Whether you love him or
hate him, he's in your head. He is like people

(17:25):
even right now, he's not even on TV and he's
still getting hate.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and oh hey, like I said that Dynasty twenty
twenty four crowd, Holy shit, man, Rachel and I sitting
there going, uh, we're fucking cruisers and shit, like everybody's
going crazy and we're like two of ten people cheering
for Jericho or everybody. I mean, he got lots of hate.

(17:50):
I was like, damn, like some of this is some
fucking heat and fuck you Jericho and all this is
like whoa.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
It's you know, even this whole Like that's a great segue,
Like the whole Learning Tree is kind of part of this,
you know, dasliving. A lot of people didn't like the
Learning Tree, but who was pretty over There was a
big group fans that loved the Learning Tree. You know,
I'm not gonna say it was my favorite thing all
the time, but I appreciate what he was doing, and
I will say it's getting me a like big Bill,
seeing Big Bill's humor and seeing Jericho being the high

(18:23):
guy slipp into madness, like I'm disappointed, like I enjoyed
the campiness of this run. I enjoy the campiness of
these matches, And you know, it kind of leans back
into his heel. He went old school heel. He took
Gravity's mask and he made he tried to make, you know,
him give up his mask, and a match with Bandido,
who was going against him for the Ring of Honor title,

(18:43):
really took a next level, like he was trying to
embarrass him and humiliate him, which that's a big heel
tactic too, you know, embarrassing an humiliate your opponent. But
he has fun with it, like he's just that cocky
I'm gonna wear your brother's mask, look at me and
like you just well.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
And we all know, yeah, well we all know his
history too of wrestling in Mexico, so we all know
he understands this, and everybody kind of knows that, you
know what I mean. But I also think it's good
because you know, he he was the placeholder for the
Ring of Honor world title because Bandido got hurt. We
had a lot of different things go on there, so

(19:17):
you know what I mean, he was a placeholder, so
you had to give it back. To him somehow, some
way without it being whatever. So I mean it helps
Jericho be even more hated, you know what I mean.
And to do this, like like we said, kind of
this hokey type thing because he's as a championship to go, well, here,
I can do whatever the fuck I want because I
have a championship. So like you know, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
And I think camping has has a place in wrestling
everywhere every company. Like the fake outrage when you know,
like these segments were talking about today when people get mad,
like but it belongs and everything. I mean, sticking with
twenty twenty, I'm gonna go back to being the money
in the bank. When they filmed it in the headquarters,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Epic people falling off the building.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I was gonna say, raymysterio thrown off the building. Pop
getting tied in the face. I came right back to
his face.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Like everybody's racing to the elevators and the stairs like
they fight.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Vince's office, like the gym, and you have Brother Love
appearing in the bathroom Like it's just it was hokey,
you know, it was fun, And I think again, I know,
we keep kind of going back to twenty twenty. I'm
not trying to but but I think that's where a
lot of this really came back to modern wrestling. But
I think it was it was fun and you know,
the food fight and then Otis is somehow just catching

(20:29):
the freaking briefcase like now he's the winner of the
men's money the bank, Osca getting it and the next
night finding out Becky, you know, Becky's pregnant, so Osca
had the belt in the thing the whole time. Like
it really changed the course of a lot of wrestling storylines.
And it was fun, and I know it got hate
at the time, but if you go back, it's it's
pretty entertaining. And for what those wrestlers did, you know,
probably fifteen sixteen hour day filming that it was, it

(20:51):
was entertaining.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, notice there's a prime example of kind of a
comedic guy that a lot a lot of ways I
don't think was taken seriously over there. And you know,
he look at his career here, he's had several really
good years. He's been there for a little while now,
so like and he seems to always be on TV
and in storylines.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
It wasn't for Chad Gable and Mandy Rose. The two
of them really helped keep him over, Like Mandy got
him over and then Chad has held him over. And
it's not that Otis isn't good. He just needed he
needs someone to bounce off of.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yes, correct, And honestly, the female mouthpiece works really well
for him because of that, the difference a big, burly
guy that's still confident and athletic, you know what I mean.
And then usually he's paired with a pretty attractive female
that's in great shape. So like that, you know kind
of well why is she like him? You know, stuff

(21:48):
like that. So and he can work pretty good. I mean,
it's not all just you know, No, he's really strong
and he's strong. I mean, he's a fucking bull.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
And I'm pretty sure it wasn't here a real like
Olympic style athlete wrestling. And I'm pretty sure you colleged
wrestling something like that, yeah, something, because I remember seeing
a video of him like lifting weights and it was
just stacks upon stacks on the bar and I'm just like,
holy crap, that man's not.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I was gonna say it was like he's like
squatting in the It's like like I know that bar
is to post to bed, but that looks terrifying. I
wish Mark Henry was in his prime and Otis in
his prime because that would have been a fun match. Yeah,
like the World's Strongest Men going out of See they
could have had a fun match.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
They could have the world each other.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Vince would have just absolutely loved this. Can you imagine
this Otis and Mark Henry doing the strong man competition
for w B Vince be in the would be like
that meme where Fince is falling over in his chair.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
One of my favorite things the showcases when you got
to see somebody smash an apple.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Bianca, Bala and Bailey when they had their test to strength.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes, well, Mark Henry, you know that's how they kind
of popped him out because he was at that World's
Strongest Man moniker, so they let him do some of
those tricks he had done with like the frying pan.
I mean, it's not a trick as far as that,
but he knows how to bend it and he's strong enough.
Because they were talking about him doing ben in a quarter,
bend in a quarter with his fingers and stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Crazy. I remember saying, I don't remember which Caye match.
There was a cage match and they didn't gimmick the door,
so he had to rip the legit door off the
cage to get in.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I watched, yeah, I saw it tonight actually on a
little clip, on a little clip. I saw it today
actually before all this. It's kind of funny. I was
just on YouTube surfing a little bit or whatever, and yeah,
he actually talked about it. I was like, I was
so fucking pissed. He was supposed to take a hats
off to the lock and just cut it a little bit, so,
you know, literally popped the first time he goes. I

(23:52):
literally got so pissed. I had to rip the door off,
he said, because I couldn't get it to lock the bust.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I remember when it was live too. You can hear
me fuck because he's like he grows up and he
grabbed me and you can just tell he's angry and
he just he keeps going and snaps it. And I'm
like I remember.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Watching and too, he's he's going at it.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I'm like he did that or it's like Lebron showing
and flipped over the you know, ambulance and stuff like
these people are strong. But again they're comedy groups.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
The Swamp Match to kind of keep a long run
brought that Swamp match with breakway ridiculous. But that's kind
of when Alexa Blist started teasing her little dark turn.
And it's just I I love cinemat Matches. I think
that's the one thing I can say for this episode.
Sin mac matches popped me. Whether it's a swamp Match,
whether it's an Ultimate Deletion, all that stuff pops me.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's on my list. Actually, I was gonna that's on
my one. Was the Final Deletion that kind of went
with my talking shop stuff because those were more independent,
I guess type things.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yes, Senior Benjamin with a shovel.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Then oh he had some good stuff on that, on
the deletion stuff, so I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I also liked the Lake reincarnation the how Carney. That
was like, you know, they threw Shane Helms in there
and he comes out as the Hurricane and he goes,
here's the Cold and trouble. Oh, sir Paul will like this,
you know, taking a little shot at Triple H and
just all the different campiness of that and just knowing
he filmed it in basically his backyard because the Hardy boys,

(25:25):
you know, obviously have a bunch of land and just
knowing they just filmed it all there. And Jeff has
like a legit motor park like for his bike out back,
like he does not cross country is it called motocross
in his backyard and you can see some of that
background just they're shooting fireworks at each other, like probably
the most entertaining thing that really got Matt Hardy over

(25:47):
as a singles wrestler because he struggled for years. I
got out of the shadow of Jeff because Jeff was
always kind of seen as the single star, the champion,
and Matt was like, yeah, he won the ECW title
in w Yeah he won some of the big car tennis,
but he was never seen as the guy. And then
you know, he tried big money Matt, it didn't work.
And then yeah, the broken it's just talk about campings,

(26:09):
that physics, his whole broken gimmick and that all offense
of that probably one of my favorite gimmicks.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh, it was definitely good. He needed it because like
I said, he he wasn't bad singles, but like you said,
Jeff was the more charismatic. He definitely had more of
a female following because the ladies loved him, so, I mean,
he he had popularity there and then the kids, so
she was getting those two dynamic demographics right there alone.

(26:37):
So he's definitely gonna be pushing mercyales exactly and doing
death to fying stuff, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
And making it look like it was easy. I mean,
every time you watched w highlight reel when the Hardy
boys were in there, Jeff Hardy was always in the
in the package, him jumping off a ladder, putting some
few tables off the stage, off the ramp, you know,
inspiring you know, the Darby Allens and some of the
indie workers to take those risks. And it's crazy to
see that Jeff is lucky he can walk. I don't

(27:09):
understand how, Jeff. How Jeff is the one that's fine
and Matt's the one that's got the compressed mine from
the leg drops. Like I'm not trying to like not
trying to be that like say that you would think
Jeff would the one that be hurt with all those movesies,
but he's obviously very fortunate.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Eating of Dank's side of the ring. I think Jeff
was a little loose sometimes when he was out there,
so maybe it didn't affect him as much.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
True or yeah, he did see Victory Road unfortunately, And
I mean that would.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Like no in a masity. I really think that that
has a lot to do with it when you're not
tensing up for stuff, when you're able to just kind
of relax, like Darby, he just leans into it and
he's okay sometimes and.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Also too he Let's just put it this way. You
can listen to a lot of different podcast people who
took the swan tom bomb, and every single person says
the same thing. I fucking hated taking the swanton from
Jeff because he didn't land softly. He just he just
did it basically a front flip and he's gonna land
on your meat. Basically, he's gonna land into book of
your arm booky, your shoulders, your chest. And I always

(28:10):
felt bad when he missed them and just smashed his
tailbow because you know that hurt.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Oh yeah, well, and he was better when he was
younger about getting a little bit more over him, but
let when as he had gotten older and stuff, man,
oh he was landing just straight on him. There was
no tilt, nothing, just boo.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I remember a match where he did a swanton on
the Big Show and he just lands right on Big
Show's chest and you just hear him say fuck. Like
you can just tell Big Shows not happy that he
just threw his full weight down. I'm like, I don't
know if I'm gonna piss off the guy who's fist
is bigger than my head. That was real, just kidding.

(28:52):
I'm gonna put one out there that I actually I
criticized it at first, but I appreciate what it was
now because it's silly and can't be but the for
an eye match while at Extreme rules. While it was
kind of stupid with the CGI, I think it was
just funny because raymis Tero and Seth made that few word.
I mean I could have done that actually seen me

(29:13):
fake eye, but I think him putting him into the
steel steps and trying to get his eye to come out,
him trying to injure his eye. It's probably one of
the worst matches that he's done a long time, but
it was funny. But Seth, as soon as it happened,
he's throwing up, so like clearly like that's pretty good
acting making yourself throw up.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
To a fake eyeball like right, and then you know
w B.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Like, oh my god, Ray's really hard. I can't believe
his eye. But it's like, come on, man, that looks
like But it was just and it made sense because
I mean Alistair blackclud mac I sold his eye for
like five years after all these incidents. So it's like
some of these wrestlers really took that. So I think,
you know, I gotta give that. I'll mention as terrible

(29:58):
as it was, it was at least entertaining. Again, it's
I've seen worst matches, but it wasn't that. But I
think people are a little harsh on it and realize
just suspend displease. That's the whole point. You're supposed to mean.
If you can suspend for the Fiend, you can suspend
us please for an I Verse nine match. You pretend
Undertaker and Kane or brothers when they look nothing alike.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh here, I got a dank side of the ring
for you, all right, one that nobody now would probably
think of for just some wrestlers with you know, comedic
and whatever else. The New Day. Oh agreed, bring that up.
Think about where they were when they came out, because

(30:42):
I didn't like them. Yeah, got there. They were annoying
as fuck, and even it was playing, it was boring. No,
you're that's that's not that's not.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
The new day.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
We're talking to the beginning.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Like WrestleMania thirty two, itch, when they kind of thirty
resume of thirty two before they kind of really started
getting the botios and it was basically just like almost
like a wings and yeah, it was just Biggie trying
to get another faction after he broke away from AJ
and Dolph and Kofe finally, you know, trying to get
recognition as he was already great singles wrestler Xavier coming up.
And it was about WrestleMania thirty three where there they

(31:23):
really peaked with the unicorns and all that stuff and
the pancakes and the bootyos, and that's really where they
hit their stride, right, And.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It wasn't really supposed to be a thing, Like it
wasn't supposed to last for twelve years or whatever the
hell it did, you know what I mean. It was
supposed to be one of those like Okay, we need
something for Biggie, we need something for Kofee, and we
need something to get Exavier, you know what I mean,
that was more of what it was because Kofe was
kind of the vet in that group, you know, to
help him out even though he wasn't he wasn't a
champion or any thing like that. Yet I always had

(31:52):
a wildag been born or whatever. I think. But that's it.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh yeah, Aaron Bourne, that's right.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, so I think that was it. I mean, you know,
New Day really shouldn't have been what it was. And
now people, you know, especially WW fans, that's kind of
a staple, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
So I guess you could say they really let up
the joint and past the vibe check.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I love their gear too, like you know, they're not
only the power injured gear, but they always all three
to matching gear, you know, Biggie with the jacket, the pants.
Then you know Francesca throwing the pancakes and we've told
this story before, but we went to a SmackDown they
threw the pancakes out and people weren't crazy. I want
to go pick it up, like is it is it
a fake pancake?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
These were like those microwave pancakes that you buy like
individual like just cold, gross, pancakes, and some guys like,
can I have that? I'm like, go for.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
It, man, Like they were like ego pancakes. Yeah, and
there guys just like eating it covered baby that's the worst.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
That was the worst part was in his ni he goes,
can I have that? I was like, go for I
was just more curious. I just want to see if
it was real. So I picked it up and I
was like, oh, yeah, like it was just cold. If
you took a pancake out of a from was in
foods box, set it out for half an hour, that's
what this was. It was still the chip frozen. They
just must have went to the store across Here's a
fun fact. There's a market basket across the street from

(33:09):
that venue. Guarantee they went to that grocery store and
bottom there because they got more for your dollar at
the market basket.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Oh, very new England chain, very new England chain.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
But it was I just remember, yeah, he just starts
eating that like I think it was, Oh, that's gotta
be covered in sweat and baby well and just frozen
and that there's no way that tastes good.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
And it was on the ground.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, Yeah, that's my thing. I'm good to them all that.
Like again, I wasn't Michael wasn't to keep it.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I was just like, you know when that little morbid
curious like, hey, those really rubber? Oh gross, that's real?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Can I have that?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Sure? Go forehead. It's like when they used to U
not to derail too much. Like I went to a
Patriots Cowboys game years ago and some players were throwing
their towels up in the crowd. People were going IgA
like they just wiped their sweat and their face and
their boogers on that. I'm good.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I was just gonna say, now, you've got people doing
so much with DNA. I'd been careful of giving away
my sweaty.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Towels not.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I mean, hey, if you're gonna throw me a glove, cool,
I'll take a glove you you want to throw up
your jersey, But.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, sweatw I'm good.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I'm good. Like I think you should keep that because
you're going in the shower anyway. So like, so another
one that I think I want to bring up. I
know Emily really hasn't seen much of it, but we've
talked about it before. It is no mercy nine nine
in the Good Housekeeping match with Jeff Jarrett in China.

(34:49):
They literally called this match everything about the kitchen sink.
So Jeff Jared's on his way out of the company
and he's putting his intercontinental title against China. Well it's huge,
just trying to became the first female intercontinental and it's
just they literally had a kitchen sink in the match.
It was so misogynistic if you think about it, Jeff
Jarrett's fighting China and he's basically saying, you belong in

(35:10):
the kitchen. You know, you're just a woman. Like he's
just being the typical misogynistic asshole to her. And then
the whole match that was the whole premise good housekeeping.
It was basically him calling him a homemaker and it
just he she literally hit him with the kitchen sink,
and it was the funniest shit. Probably a terrible match
you go back and watch it, but I just enjoy

(35:30):
it for what it is, like Jeff Jarrett putting on
his Carnie over Books madness that he always does.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yep, I remember that as well. It was kind of fun.
It was kind of fun, well because he got all
his just desserts for everything. You know.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I still remember to the iconic scene where she takes
a toilet seat and she just puts the number his
head and there's like toilet paper and he's just sitting
there and he's got toilets singing around his neck and
it's just t toilet paper hanging out. I think you
would love the weapons aspect of it. I think you
would absolutely love like him like throwing told people at
each other, like this is stupidness that it was. And

(36:08):
that's kind of what I was looking at when I
was making this Listen Starich matches, like what matches were
funny and what matches were just like this is so dumb,
but I enjoy it. So I know you got something
like that on there.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I mean, I have obviously more, but I actually thought
about this one for that type of aspect. Was the
Mountain Dew Black Match Why versus l A Night, Yeah,
but yeah, I remember watching that and I was like,
this is gonna be one of these fucking stupid, fucking matches.

(36:43):
It's just gonna be a filler or whatever. And then
I remember Rachel and I watch and I'm like, huh,
Like she wasn't terrible, Like I actually thought that was decent,
Like it was entertaining, like I actually don't feel like
I wasted my time, you know, wasted my time. So
I'm like that was better than I thought.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I need that action figure too. They just released that
bray white like how he's not all that paint like
the black like paint. They just really I'm like, oh,
I need that because I agree. You know, at first,
I was like, really pitch black match like like exactly
like you said. I remember talking to Emily about it,
where like a fucking mountain dew match, like come on, Vince, like,
And then.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I'm sitting there saying, well, like it could be like
the Mimosa Mayhem, it could be really a giant bottles
mountain dew somewhere. This is fantastic, Like this has to
be good. And then they say glow in the dark,
and I'm like, oh, maybe.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
If you drink that mountain you glow in the dark.
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
That's very possible if you.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Get our local gas station. When I didn't realize that
about a couple of month expired live wire.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
That was awful. If they've done that. If Mountain New
wants not a sponsored I think maybe aw can do
a Bajaha bash of the Beach or something like that.
Maybe bob Blast.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Of the Beach.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I would pop. I definitely would love that. Well, I
got another one for it definitely gets hate that I
still think was actually pretty awesome. It just didn't end
as planned. The exploding barb wire blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
The exploding barb wire.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yes, that match. I mean it's so good.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Here's the thing to defend it. So obviously, you know
when Terry Punk and McK foley and all them done
those If you go back and watch the actual exploding
rings afterwards, there were never grand spectacles. So people put
the bar so high that this ring was gonna be
like pop pop pop and like massive pyro. But realistically
it was always noise makers and flashing lights or noise

(38:56):
makers and what killed them. It was like, yeah, if
they didn't have the Sparkler aesthetic and they just had
a dud go off, it would have been a little less.
But it was just the Sparklers.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
I think. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Every other aspect.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
For me, what rue do is Eddie's still trying to
sell it like a fucking champ covering Moxley, and it's
like and he's like, I still gonna sell this because
Eddie's so old school, he's not gonna just like roll
over him, like I screw this. But yeah, no, I agree.
I mean we have the figures from it. It's still
if you stop it before the ending. So it's kind
of like the show Supernatural Sons of Anarchy. If you

(39:37):
stop it before the last moments, it's a great matter,
it's a great They're great. It's just like those TV
shows that end on a sour note and you're like,
it's very Game of Thrones, like, yeah, it's great until
this last moment. I I love it. I think Kenny
Omega and him just absolutely fucking killed each other, like
that board of barbed wire outside the explode, like they
forget the explosions outside worked.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yes, it's just I can't wait to talk about what
I heard.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I heard Tony got his money back. I heard Tony
got his money back from that company because of the time.
The time, well because obviously the timing issues were the
main thing, no matter, no matter, regardless of what they had,
the timing of it not going off. Yeah, yeah right there,

(40:22):
and speak of it.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
I think you should. You should speak on the timing
and all that. I think you should bring up that
you talked about off there their cage match.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I think that's a good story for you to help.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Okay, Yeah, So I went to TNA in Saint Charles,
Missouri whenever they first started doing pay per views on
the road, and they weren't doing them in Orlando I
think at the time.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Okay, so they came and they forgot their cage. This
has been well documented by everybody. It's Lethal Lockdown I
think two thousand and seven. So they forget their cage. Well,
one of the main things is a tag match between
LAX and the Well Team three D. Let me be
correct here, and it was supposed to be Electrified barb
or electrified cage match because Lethal Lockdown pay per review

(41:08):
was advertised as every match being in a cage. And
then the main event is the Lethal Lockdown match, which
is like a not an elimination chamber, but like a
multi person hell in a cell type thing where you
can go all over and all that. So they forget
the cage. So another timing issue. Devon's over there selling
like he's getting shot by lightning and nothing's happening for

(41:32):
about five to six seconds, and then all of a sudden.
They tried to flash the lights and make some noises
like Cage got him when he touched it, and it
happened several times and they kind of got it better
at the end and we're a little closer. But one
of those things something that ruined a good match by

(41:52):
just you know, six seven moments throughout the match where
they're supposed to be doing stuff and it was really
hard for him to try. But they I mean, you
know him, he's gonna sell it. So I mean they
all tried. But yeah, it wasn't their fault, but it
was an entertaining match in more than one way.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
So and you know, to give teenage credit, they really
tried to be different. You know, they talk about how
you know, AW talks about being they'll turn it, but
TEENA really did try. Like there was a lot of
ups and downs in the history, but they really tried
to let's do a different match. Stipulation, let's let's be different.
We don't want to just book how w E books,
you know, so that stipulation. I remember, I was shocked.

(42:30):
I remember getting worked by a podcast apparently because I
thought he got because Devons still to this day talks
about how it hurt, and I guess that's bullshit, but
I remember they must have edited because I remember seeing it.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I'm like, I remember the light effects, but that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I'm guessing live they're like, oops, and now they probably
let's clean this up for rebroadcasts.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
It was rough, Like I said, it was still fun,
and I will say they made it work throughout as well,
because the main match to leave the lockdown would still
had the regular cage least. But I will say, uh,
I watched Jil Kim jump off the top of that
crappy ass cage when she was fighting Miss Jackie Miss Jacqueline.
I always forget Miss Jaqueline was in TNA for a

(43:11):
hot minute. Yeah that Actually that was a pretty good match,
and I mean she definitely dislocated her shoulder when she
clothedlined her up the top road. For sure has or
butts about it. That's awesome, but it was fucking awesome.
I will say that, No, they get injured.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
But they put on some good shows, you know, speak
of that. One of the matches I had on my
phone is TNA. One of the matches I like but
people hate is their reverse Battle, which is what I
said in the open.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Where so it's not one particular match.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
But whether it's King of the Mountain or whether it's
an actual verse battle, it's the most fucked up stipulation.
So they all started outside the ring and they're trying
to get in the ring because you have to score
the pin polish miss thing. So there's people slide in
the ring, but there's people getting pulled out, people getting
eated over the top.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
So just watch it's it's it's chaotic, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
The only downside is it was always such an over
books mess that it never delivered on the promises. So
it's like, oh that God's me so fun it's got
We had Jared, Jeff Jarrett had his fingerprints on off
so much in the episode. It's alway Jeff Jared. It
was always like Christian Cage And I remember those one
where Bobby Rude, he's he's going he goes to slide
in and he was still feuding with James Storm because
beer you know, beer money had for him and he

(44:24):
you know, and they kind of had some tiff, but
they weren't really broken up yet. I remember James Storms
pulling him out and he's like, we're drinking buddies and
then they shove each other and they both go in
the ring and they both get pulled out, and it's
just they tried so hard to make that where it's fun.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I think it's fun, just like King on the Mountain,
you know, you have to be good ideas.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, it was always ideas, but the execution was always.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Just taking the mountain. Was kind of hard to understand
until you watched at least a match or two of it. Yeah,
things because it was pretty much a ladder match, yes,
but if you got pinned, you had to go in
the penalty box for like two minutes or whatever it was. Yeah,

(45:07):
so it's kind of this weird It's like, what was
the six people and then they would be in and
out of the penalty box and different things, and then
it was a ladder match and whoever could climb up
and get.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
It right, I know, like when they did, because they
didn't queen the ring a few years ago too.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I was waiting for that had.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
We talked to Deanna about that match and she was
saying that her back is still hurt.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Hopefully, Kafie, No, I'm sure she's still but they said
the six sided rings were different.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And I think yeah, the confused partly said, so you
watched it because you're like, oh, so you can't just
climb the ladder because you got a pin or make
someone smet to qualify to climb the ladder. Then like then,
like you said, the person who gets pinder Smith goes
in the penalty box for two minutes. And if you've
already pinned someone and you get penned, you stuff going
the penalty box, so you could lose your chance to climb.

(45:59):
So realistically, yes, it just became a mess and it
was so hard keep up with because they didn't really
they didn't really tell you all the time, like who's
eligible to climb? So it'd be like, oh, hey, oh
wait no, why isn't Jef Jarrett crime letter? Oh because
he hasn't pinned anyone yet? Oh why is Essa agree
in the penalty box? Oh she got pinned. It's yeah,

(46:19):
it hasn't had a good concept. It's just it's it's hard.
But I enjoy them because I like a good ladder match,
and I enjoyed they try to be different.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
They were still decent, but like you said, it was
just some of that chaos that you couldn't follow. And
I mean, if we're gonna stay on TNA and we'll
go ahead and kind of finish them up, they probably
an't got much more Ultimate X I mean as something
that's good still and whatever else. But I know seeing
that the first time was kind of eye opening a way.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah, that's how I learned about Chris b like Chris Bay,
Trey Miguel, That's how I learned about the two of them,
and I really got invested in TNA with that. I
was so mind boggled seeing these guys climb across a
rope at the top, and like then you showed me
aj styles in that match. Like every little detail to

(47:13):
do with the X Division is what I love about wrestling.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, and that's what Teenag's bread and butter was, Like,
they're really their best division was the X Division, you know,
yeah WW in a way, yeah it was that was
a show. And then when they did like international like
X Division, they bring in you and that's what made
w W and T a stand out from w's. They
would bring in a Liger, they would bring in Ultimate,
and they would bring in people from Japan, they would

(47:39):
bring in people from Mexico, they would bring in all
the luchadors and all the people from Japan, like Okada
has stops in TNA. Uh An stops in TNA. So
that's where I got to really start learning new Japan.
And Ring of Honor was because of TNA and The
Ultimate X is what made me a fan. Because shout
out to my friend Ken, I'll never forget this. It

(48:01):
was two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, he
got a DVD from game Stop for like five six bucks.
He's like, Hey, what's this TNA stuff. I was like, Oh,
it's really good. What you get it was like the
best of the Ultimate X. We sat down and we
watched that thing for probably a good hour hour and
a half hour long ones and we're like, let's watch
that again, just because it was so captivating. Because I

(48:22):
didn't order the weekly paper views, I didn't order the
pay per views all the time. So yeah, definitely there's
some of the fun matches. I think those TINA had
some weird ones, but they had some good ones too.
Ultimate X is probably one of the best ones. I
like the Monsters balls. People hated them. I loved a business.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yep, those were good too.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
The only.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Oh God, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
This is the only thing I really care about is
when Russo took over, because that's when it got really dumb,
like when Sting was in the last Rights match and
they put them on like a table and they raised
them up to the ceiling and it's like, what are
we doing or anything on a pole?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Bro yep. But I will say since we were on
a going like those cinematic and kind of more produced
tight matches. You know, obviously we have two A W ones.
I want to definitely mention which one of them I
got to see live, which was really hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
I'll just say that the Stadium Stampede.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Well we were in archy in the arena because we
always double or nothing, but those were I was going
to bring up anarchy in the arena and Stadium Stampede matches.
Those have been awesome and fun, especially the Stadium Stampede.
That first one that was Grittery entertaining Jericho doing the
witch with the cone and you know what I mean,
and Sammy yeah, and the bar scene you know what

(49:41):
I mean and stuff like that. So I thought that
was really awesome. Doing the referee review because challenged, yes, yes,
challenge on the field so I thought those were really fun.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Sammy argating a one wing angel through the fucking like
from the top of like the stands down to the ground.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Was that when.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Where you get his bell rung? Was that the same?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
And the ice chest with the lake reincarnation water, which
we talked about earlier.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Much that went into this match, that every little detail
I know they filmed forever. I know that they had
to like do a bunch. Jericho's talked about it a
few times. I just absolutely love that style match, and
I think it made way for even more for a
e W to be doing. I think that we got

(50:31):
the parking lot brawls because of a lot of the
stadium stampedes.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I wouldn't say that because parking lot brals have been
around for I think the same stampede really opened up there,
brought brought the anarchy arena to like Jeffer said, I
think it also brought in their factions. Like that's really
what made fact warfare for AW is having the anarchy
and the arenas and the scene because and that's what
I think it works as you have blood and guts

(50:56):
and then you kind of have like how you can
have fact warfait they can't. They do war games. So
they got blood and guts, right, and they want to
go old school and they want to kind of have
those empty stadium fights, which is what it was. You know,
like the Rocker mcfoley halftime heat when they had the
empty stadium match, or you know Terry Funk when he
was in the empty stadium back in the nineties eighties.
Like they never work until they do. Like that's like

(51:19):
you think, oh, Man Rock versus Mankind halftime heat, that's
never gonna Okay, it works a stadium stampede, Like how's
this going? How are they gonna fight? In the fucking
football staff?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It worked.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
You know, Matt Jackson doing the super lexs from like
from one end zone the other over one hundred and
twenty yards just.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Right, stop jumping off the goalpost. And I mean it
was fun and the right. That's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I know you said he was hard.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I liked, you know, is hard to watch live because,
like I said, you couldn't see everything because they're everywhere,
and certain times you were getting obstructed and they'd be
right here, and then you know, all the different sides
trying to kind of go everywhere, and you know, unless
you could look up and see them through jumbo tron
or something like that. You know, there were several times

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we couldn't really see.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Anything, So we had that unsanctioned match at the second
Dynamite that did that.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah, we had the Yeah, like when Joey Ganello was
climbing the ladder, we kind of had to go up
higher to see because the way we were sitting, we
were kind of like g low, so we had to
go up another kind of good. I don't want to
say like style like that, but I want to throw
back randomly. Do you remember Jeff the crybaby match with

(52:35):
Once You three Kid and Raising Ramone, because that was
the cringiest, the funniest thing where the loser head bases
had to wear a diaper.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
No, I don't remember. I put my notes when it went,
but I found him like I remember that.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, so I think it was a random rob But yeah,
loser wears a diaper and they got b bee powder
poured over their head.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
So I don't know if you remember that, and that
was I want to say the baby powder rings a bell,
but I don't remember the diaper part.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
That's what I think. Tune me out as a kid,
because I was probably like seven or eight when that happened,
and that's kind of when I started towards That'd be like, oh,
I really like Razor Ramon and I really like this
one two three kid, but I'm like.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I don't want to see one of them wear a diaper.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And then I think that's kind of what caused Razor
to want to try other things. He had that and
a few with gold Dust. I mean, he had some
good matches, but there are some awkward things there, you know,
gold But that's the reason why I want to mention
that because it leads into gold Dust versus Roddy Roddy Piper.
Another great one WrestleMania when they had the OJ match.
Basically it's what I'm always going to refer to it.

(53:39):
They had that backstage brawl and gold Dust shows up
in the gold Cadillac and he starts fighting Roddy Piper
in the backstage. Really sands if they were just like friends,
and they're like, I'm the loading dock, and they're cheering
and they're beating the fuck out of each other like
they're potatoing each other backstage, and then gold Dust takes

(54:01):
off in his Gold Cadillac, Roddy Piper hops in a
white Bronco and this is where it gets good. They
didn't have They just left the arena, So what do
they do. They spliced in the O. J. Simpson footage
of the Bronco being chased by the police, and then commentators.
The commentators are selling it like this is gold dust
being chased by Roddy Piper and it's O. J.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Simpsons.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
So as a kid, I didn't know, but as adult
I watched the back I'm like, they really just spliced
in the news footage of OJ Simpson in that low
speed chase and trying to tell us it's Rowdy Piper,
and it's like, what are we doing here? But it's
the funniest shit. If you've never watched it, you have to.
It's one of my favorite medium moments of Roddy because
those two men, only those two men could have made

(54:46):
that work, because that is the most ridiculous thing I've
ever seen, But I loved it.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
It was rough.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I talked about this one earlier before we started recording,
but one of the mass which is that got me
into wrestling, sadly, was Stephanie McMahon and Vicky Guerrero. They
had a mud pit, and I just I don't even
remember the whole match. I just remember Vicky grabbing Stephanie
and pulling her in, and I was like, that's a

(55:16):
bad ass. She just stuck up for herself like no
other Like that is amazing, And I loved just how
Vicky did that, because what I knew of Vicky before
then was just the ladder match with Ray Mysterio and Eddie.
I didn't know like anything else to do with Vicky,
And then I got to go back and watch more

(55:36):
with her and really just embraced everything to do with it.
But seeing what she went through in WWE and to
see what she did to Stephanie was fucking iconic.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I wouldn't say anything she did was good in wrestling
like in wrestling ring.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
No, I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Like, yeah, but that's what I'm talking about only because I.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Ziggler like the character.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Because I remember when she Stephanie and VICKI whenever they
had to slap a male counterpart, there was no holding
back there slaps. You can definitely tell that they were
just like, we're just gonna slap you and whatever happens.
Because Stephanie would especially Kurt angle Ronda Rousey feud before

(56:25):
Ronder ROWSI broke her art. I just remember she slaps
Ronda and Ronna talks about it in her book. She's like,
I didn't think that she had that in her to
hit me in the art. I told her to lay
it in and that that girl laid it in on me.
And I've gone back and seen some of her slaps,
like Jack was talking about how like you almost chipped
the tooth getting slapped by her, And yeah, I don't

(56:46):
know if I want to get those love slaps from them,
you know, just like that Simpson song love Slap Baby,
Take No Crip. But yeah, so let's roll into the
next match. Get it roll. I have another one. It's
Emily's favorite because I feel like we've kind of gone
old school. Let's let's keep a new school. We have
Arcade Aernarchy, So I know this is her all time

(57:06):
favorite campy match. You know, you have Chris Statlin and
returning in the Claw Machine eating the screen to Penelope Space,
you have Legos, you have real video games.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I mean the Whack a Mole. The Whack a Mole
that was like your favorite part. That was pretty cool.
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
So as much as it suck to like not be
able to see it, I'm sure that the pops were pretty.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Good and I think though for again what they had
to do, and there was some fans there because it
was twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Ish, so that's what Jeff was talking about being it.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, no, the the Arcade anarchy.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
No, I was that anarchy in the arena.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yeah. Oh, arcade anarchy was on a dynamite. So arcade
anarchy yeah, remember that was that was best Friends and
Can't But yeah, I think there was some guys right,
I think the popative and ladder if it was a
full crowd. But I also liked the legos too. And
then Sue. Can't forget Sue coming up with the mini van,
Like that's one of my favorite things is Sue just

(58:05):
randomly shows up in that mini van double or nothing
and double anything all in. When she brought the cookies
and Jared not the cookies. He hits them with a
van or not the Dippin' dots. That's another great Jarr
line and some hard cource against the pop popcorn machine.
That's one of my favorite ones. Like he said earlier,
Sammy and the golf cart.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Can we get a Mother's Day tribute with Nick Wayne's
mom and Sue?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Ok yad Well, then we're gonna have to do my
match with Judy Bagwell in a pole.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Oh no, that wasn't even a pole. She was a
larger American, shall we say so? It was a fork
list with the platform. So I got it here.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I'm not trying to make fun of your mom.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
But I got a character to throw out from the
Dan side of the ring. What do you got for
a character, Damien miss Now? Yes, one of.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
My absolute favorites. I love it.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I wanted to throw that one out there because I
figured that would work really well. He was one I
definitely had in my notes to put out there because
it shouldn't have worked. It probably wasn't supposed to last long,
and everybody fucking loved it because he fucking killed it.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
When misicosliminates me, he eliminates himself and that miscessory attachment.
So then he starts throwing.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Oh I mean, and he was getting pretty damn good
at it too, you know, mocking him and doing the
repeating stuff and everything else. So it started out kind
of whatever, but it got to be very entertaining, and
I thought it was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I wish they ran with it more because they could
have had tag team Golds. They just they had just
stuck with because you know when when when missed Out
came in, you know, sand Out, he was like he
was almost kind of like, what's that the professor? What's
his name here?

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Lenny? Thank you?

Speaker 1 (59:58):
He was almost like that kind of gimmick. I'm smart
than you and you guys are all stupid, and I'm
educated and you're done. It didn't really work for him,
and then like you said, they fell into this and
it worked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
And when he would come out just as other people
as well and use their move like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
The big Show of Alvinas.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
He was good at that, every little detail that he
did with it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
And then him going to NWA was huge for him.
And when Aeron recship and then doing he really helped backstage.
And you know, I'm sad he's retired now, but like
I hope he's coaching or producing somewhere because he's mind.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
He was helping doing a lot of stuff production wise
and whatnot for NWA because that when we were going
to the Wrestling of the Chases, they brought back. He
wrestled at one or two of them, and then by
the third one for sure, if not the second, he
wasn't wrestling anymore because he actually we did a meet

(01:00:53):
and greet thing and they had a thing where Billy
Corgan and him came out and talked to everybody you
could ask questions and stuff, a Q and A with him.
So he was talking about, you know that he ain't
really working no more and he's just helping produce the product,
and he likes the old studio style, you know that
all all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
So no, I mean, I I want NVA to get
on a bigger platform because they have such good workers
over there. I thought they were gonna be on CW
on what happened that, But yeah, they have a good
program over there. And you know, we got lucky to
see our COVID on the cruise, you know, and she's
killing it. The champion they had Casey Copland what's her name, she.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Just had that thing ken because she just had that
thing when the Talia there at that what was that
the bloods board or whatever. Yep, And I think they're
doing great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I only have a couple of matches who we kind
of get into our rapid fire to get towards the
end here. But I had the Jericho versus Nick Age
death match on Dynamite, my favorite commercial basically Fizza Strength. Yeah,
I was gonna say that's the pizza cut timing. The
juxtaposition of Jericho getting a pizza cutter on his head
and the Dominoes ad playing. Whoever decided to roll that

(01:02:08):
footage must have known, because there's no way that was
an accident. That was perfect and talked about on the
cruise how Domino's was pissed. You should have money with it, Jar,
you should have ran with that, made money. Have Jericho
and Nick gage like you want to fucking pizza. You
can't say that you can get this pizza here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Domino, like Engauge would sell the ship out of pizza,
and he's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Here's what he ended up saying, I owe you like
fucking like pizza. It's like you could still sell it,
Nick and someone's like, we'll give you a hundred thousand dollars.
Try out this Dominoes parmesan stuff crust Like he could.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Have sold the ship out of it. He could have
helped get a different demographic.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yeah, for sure, I just think it was. It was great.
It was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Give me the Gaga Roney the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Pizza cutter included with them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Yes, so many things they could have done with this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I know there's so many, Like I had Destrie, I have.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Can I so back in like twenty nineteen, a e
W was getting their footing. And if you watched to
Honor the Elite or No Honor the Elite shadowt to Gary.
If you watched bt E, then you were able to
get the jokes of like the chilis and the cracker
barrel and all. So they had a cracker barrel match.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
It wasn't really a cracker barrel match, that's the thing.
It was just it was a match when there was
a cracker barrel in it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
And I thought someone was gonna eat that barrel or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
And I thought there was gonna be like all these
different things to do with the cracker barrel, like you
can see the rock and chair, like I thought we'd
have all these different I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
So hopeful that you know that little game where it's
like a it's like a triangle and they got a
little lasting pegs. She was hoping that someone was gonna
get hit with those little plastic pegs like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Jacks, like I had all these different things planned. And
then you see Darby eat the stairs with the cracker
barrel and that is not what was on my Bengal card.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
You have Jimmy Jimmy Addock stapling the cigarette to Joey
Jenell's forehead iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
That was cool. Yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Fuck you Jimmy Havock. But that match, to me, I
did so much research going into that because again I
thought this match was going to be everything I learned
all about these guys watched Please Don't Die Joey Janella
like I dove in. That was my full deep guys
at aew was that summer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
The last one? I want to know before we get
quick Fire? My last match. I didn't give shout to
the Firefly Fenhouse, Matt Bray White and John Sisumenia thirty six.
A lot of people surprisingly don't like it like they
like it now because of obviously saving that, but they
kind of cracked on time. But I enjoyed, you know,
Sena as what if and nWo and Bray kind of
calling a nod up to him being super Siena and

(01:05:02):
burying me and stopping my push and that match really
kind of showed Bray's creativity that his whole character arc
was because John Sena beat him at WrestleMania and he
should have won it WrestleMania, and then technically Bray why
I won at wrestle Maana, and like it was a
nice way for John to put Bray over. It was great.
It was so well done, like John Cena playing into

(01:05:23):
ruthless aggression just over and over.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I think I'm still scratching my head at that whole match.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
And that's what's great because every time you watch it,
you pick up something different, like Vin this is good shit,
Like just all the internet memes, like you talk about
BTE and yeah, I know you made a face, but
that's because he called it. It's because Vince's childish as
we know, and other things which you won't mention, but
it just all the metajokes like you said for cracker
Belt was there for me. And so that's one of

(01:05:51):
my deg matches just like to end with too. So
I think I have some little lightning quick fires that
just be kind of fun to see what you guys think.
So what do you guys think? What's your best use
of a ridiculous prop like in your memory banks, like,
what's the prop that they used in a matter of
a weapon. You're just like, what the fuck are we
doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Water bottles? Water bottles, water bottles where they like are
under like alf are under full and they hit him
or they spit the water at him. Definitely two of
them seen that quite a bit. I'd say that's always
one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I like, what you am?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
What the fuck? What the barber trampoline with Keny Omega
and yeah, it was like it was a full like
trampoline covered in barbar that they brought out and then
had to like rip them out of. It was disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I think still the super Kick exploding shoe from Double Yes,
that one pop thing. I like that one. Anytime they
bring out something like, oh, the Matt Cardona action figure
Detolf when he fought Nick Gage and nick Age was
throwing action figures at him. He threw into a detO
a display case. That was pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
And then Matt would bring action figures and dump them
out in the ring and drop people on them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
It's like the legos kind of a little different, but
fists in certain ways. Yeah, especially if they're all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Mister Soko always will get me. I loved the fact
that mankind will put out a sock puppet basically and
shove it down your throat. Like That's why I loved
dressing up him because it was always so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
You want to go recent sure a shoe, oh Tony
that yeah, Mariah May with that damn shoe, and then
you've got the champagne bottles broken up and they tape
their hands like that. Right there was pure genius.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Was some blood sports ship genius.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
It was gross, but it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I have a I can't believe this was on TV moment,
like what's going on here? I read him myself. The
zombie match with the Miz, Like I know they're wroting
a movie, but all of a sudden Miss is getting
eat by zombies around the ring, Like what is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Yeah, I don't know. That was weird. I don't know
about that one either. I got one for that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Leather Face showing up on Dynamite against Jeff Hardy and
Jeff Jarrett. Like I know they were doing the game,
but someone actually dressed as leather Face with a chainsaw
and I was like, okay, like we even.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I don't know either, oh I got one for that
was the live sex show. Yes, and where her titty
was out yep? Oh man, I remember, like yeah, it
was like what the fuck was just out? Like I
remember going to work the next day.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I was working at Target and I worked with this
gooner who you think he's never seen a pair of
moves in his life, and he was like, dide, she
leaded the boob last night? Oh my god, she the
world saw leidist boob. Yes, yes, yes, we sawas boob.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Was it like when Jackson's was shown? Because I was
an eighth grade, Like the cover.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yeah, like the cover came down and it just exposed
one of them and then that was pretty much. She
was like oh shit because she knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, And I think they chopped it out in some
of the broadcasts, but later on they did yes, yeah
the first broadcast. What about Yeah, what do you think?
Like why am I watching? I can't believe that was
on TV for you, like either cringy or ridiculous? Doesn't
that be like offensive? But like like I'm not gonna
say offensive, like pinion on a pinot on a poll

(01:09:22):
they did for Louca Doors in WW, like that was
offensive like, whoa, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
I just think like people when I think of certain things,
like you've got Dan Housen and then you've got Orange
Cassidy and then you've got our truth with like the
ladder for something I don't even remember what it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Was, but the moments, not the comment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah, but that's all I can think of for like
what just happened in like funny here you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Go when we we talked about earlier that I didn't
remember happening until I saw saw it and was like, oh,
my gosh, but I'll bring it up. The Gulf of
Mexico match. Maybe that was one on My my god, god,
I can't believe that happened. The match that was the
other one, I would say it would be the Dog
Boom match. That one kind of got me to I

(01:10:08):
was like, whoa, I forgot that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Yeah, that dog food.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
He's talking about the dog poop match, not dog.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yeah, it was the Rock and the British Bulldog.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
For some reason, Vince Man loving to pie people in
the face for a while, Tony Storm and Kevin Owens
both got random pies in the face. That was always random.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
We still who We still don't know who pied Kevin
Owens in the face. By the way, that's like one
of the unsolved mysteries wrestling. I want to point that out.
Maybe maybe when he comes back, maybe that'll be the
match he finally, I guess. So some of the meme
worthy things for me, Susan Van, like I said earlier,
her just randomly showing up here, the dropping Trent off,

(01:10:53):
like at the parking Lot Brawl, bringing him back when
he like we didn't know he's come back at Arcade Anarchy,
showing up at Double Nothing with the cookies like I think, Sue.
I think Dan Hausen every time Dan has the shop
is iconic. When they pull him up from the ring,
he's holding onto the chair and he curses you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Our truths pretty means to a lot of his different
stuff for the Women's Royal Rumble match and all this
other stuff. I mean our truth.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Stantino Santino yep.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I was just gonna say what our truth went to
Rockstar Spud's wedding and pinned him for the title and
then try to back during their honeymoon. I mean our truth.
I think you can put in a category by himself,
like his twenty four seven. I'll say, I'm gonna give that.
I'm gonna actually give that an award. I'm gonna give
that one of my most bank awards. I think his
twenty four to seven run is the most underrated thing.
And wrestling was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Sixty three time champion something like that, sixteen. I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
In the beginning, he forget what title he had, I'm
in the US champion, Like, no, you're not truth.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I thought it was all right, well whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Like Emily, he comes up to the Royal Rumble with
the ladder, just climbs up the ladder like nothing's there.
Him and the Orange Castle just comedic gold when it
comes to like the timing like that, and like they
play it so serious that you buy into it with him,
because that's one thing all these things we talked about
today is because the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Wrestlers are buying in, I buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
If they don't buy in, you're not gonna buy in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
No, not at all, not at all, say with like
Dalton Castle. I'm a Dalton Castle fan too. He used
to love some of his outrageous sit with the boys
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
So or even on the cruise the first cruise was
I know, we didn't go on. But when he became
smooth Sailing Ashley Remington after he got a concussion, because.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
That was that was his Chakara character, I think, wasn't
it Yep, I'm along the line so and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
He was like, I'm not Donton Castle and Jaylee's is
like issue of I'm smooth Sailing. Actually, I think, I mean,
I'll give r J City a little proper like he
has some good comedic chops, like when he loses matches
or he's in matches. I'm surprised that he hasn't done
anything on the pre show because he's a He's pretty
entertaining out of the ring too. I think he'd be

(01:13:01):
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Well, Colt Cabana, there's a good comedic wrestler.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
I agree, especially who does that supman died just like
dives at you. It's always my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yeah, he has a couple of good kind of comedic
moves that I do enjoy. Well, here's another guy I
thought was good and kind of funny too because all
his uh move mocking and things like that. But I'll
just bring it up was Eugene Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Especially when he would do like this, he'd do the
stunner and Stone Cold would save him and the Rock
would save him. And then like hearing him talk out
of Gemmick was so weird for me, like he he
was on a concerning lead or something. Emily was listening
to in the car with me. I was like, Oh,
that's Eugene because like like it's Nick Dins. I'm like
that means sounds but I was like, so I played.
I'm like, oh, it's Eugene.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Mm hmm yep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
I think another funny wrestling Chelsea Green. I don't think
a lot of people get her. I think she's one
of the best right now. Damn shame I'll say that
she's not a WrestleMania's the US Champion. I think, you know,
wrestlemana should be. And this isn't a ranch or anything.
Restman has always been told to us. That's supposed to
be like who's had the best story all year kind
of reward them, and her is the US Champion, having

(01:14:08):
the secret Service gimmick and everything that's she's killing it
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Well, yeah, you're supposed to reward your champions and your
people that have worked throughout the year, regardless where they are.
But when you're a champion in the company, Like this
is the main event, you know on no fun intended,
But this is the you know, super Bowl, this is
the World Series, this is the Stanley Cup playoffs, Like
this is it? Like? Why is a champion not on
a two night match card.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
You've got two brand new women's titles. They should be
defending them, and instead one's not booked at all, potentially
hosting or doing something like that, still not wrestling, and
then you've got the other one in a tag team
match and the titles not being defended. So why are
you not making WrestleMania history with your two new women's titles?

(01:14:55):
That's gonna end my rant because I know I'm gonna
go off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Well, No, you need to show and you need to
showcase someone build up their credibility and their lineage.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Why is it important to have these titles if they're
not on Mania and do they matter?

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
But look at like, what is what's some of your
favorite comedic Chelsea? Like I know you, what's some of
your favorite? There was the Rubble? Your favorite? When she
complained turned into like complain to every manager on Rock
kicked off Raw with SmackDown because Adam Pearce couldn't handle her.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
For Chelsea, it's everything to do with what she's doing
is just amazing to me. It's so entertaining. She's so
damn funny. She's underrated. I mean even her social media skills.
She's got everything going. I think that she has truly
been crushing it with her secret service Piper and her

(01:15:47):
together are just great. I think that she has really
had a ship storm thrown at her in the beginning
with those tag titles, and to still be able to
go out there and do everything she did, No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Think that she's that's why she's one of my favorite
you know, comedic and she had.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
To go out and prove herself being fired. And look
at her now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I look at another comedic, Carley Cameron. I think she's
absolutely funny.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
She would be the new one. She would be the
new one that's bursting onto the scene, that's really making
the comedy side and the lighter side a real part
of her character and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
I mean, you know, I think it's hard because I
think to be a good comedic wrestler like our Truth,
like Chelsea, like Santina, you really have to connect Sky
to Hottie. You know, he was never really taken seriously.
He was that fun. You know he's coaching backstage at aw
but him doing the worm, like you had this guy
who is the most two thousands person. The yellow oak

(01:16:46):
Lea is the spiked hair wearing wearing the cargo pants
that were all camo, doing the stupidest breakdown move that
and then who and then just dropping the weakest fish up.
But it worked, you know. Then Rakishi fun with his
like sumo type of tights, dancing and shaking his big
old booty like it's that's another Akishi. For a while,

(01:17:07):
he was so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Good at comedy. He was just good for the rock.
I love to cool.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
A lot of people didn't like too cool because they're like, oh,
well they're born like they were so the spot I'll
never get twenty twelve when all three of them they're
they're dancing, they were key, She's like, okay, I've had nothing.
That just throws them both out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Well, they were a fun, entertaining like lower mid card
and they could definitely get you some time and some
viewers and some entertainment, so they definitely had a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
La Park is always one of my favorites. The chairman
uh I just like air guitar on the chair.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
And then but he wasn't supposed to be really funny though.
That was what was hilarious because I remember him from
the old school video games and stuff like that too,
and it's like this dude's not even supposed to be funny.
Like he goes out there's like beats the funk out
of people and it's but he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, it's like it's almost like I'm gonna go kick
your ass.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
But first solo, his little wiggle dance and ship like what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I love it. I like to that, Like he would
just people come on the ramp and he would just
hit him and like, I like, I never forget because
I hate this co infronto. He snatches them on the
back and then he just proceeds to just start celebrating
these guns just laying in pain and La Park is
just celebrating. Amazing. Crayman. Absolutely, that's a great one. Crayman

(01:18:33):
was always fun. You know, allegedly, you know it's Christopher Daniels,
but we'll never know. We saw him together for the
first time on the boat, so I think that's been
just proven it was Christopher.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
I have a picture of it, but you know, he's hot,
he's spicy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
He's so entertaining to watch Shark Boy you were talking earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Another great one that I loved, absolutely loved, you know,
shell Shell, Yeah, give me a shell.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, you know, I wasn't supposed to. That was supposed
to be a one off gimmick. They actually got sued
for you. By the there was a movie with the
kid from Twilight who.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Played the Werewolf that Shark Boy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Got sued because of the Shark Boy Love a Girl movie,
And somehow the Shark Boy gimmick survived.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
But it was first.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
I think he was he was first, and I think
because it was obviously different based on the December I'm
still mad. I'm gonna say this right now, Tony Cohn,
what the fuck You've had like so many Shark Weeks.
Why hasn't Shark Boy actually bet on TV for Shark Weeks?
Has such a master I'm not saying that just once.
I'm not saying put him in a match. I'm saying,

(01:19:42):
even though him come in the ring kind of promo
that place was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Just do a backstage yeah, Luigi Crimo, but yeah, just
just have Shark Boy come backstage with his masks and
stuff and talk to a couple of people that he
knows from TNA. You can have Joe or you know,
some of these people that he knows.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
I want to see him Versusar Pennico. I'll put it
out of you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Love Sir Pento's intro Pentico together.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Oh there was so fun, John Cruise, you still want
to know who sir was on the mask?

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Oh my gosh, April Fool's Day, I was dead John
Crew's Versir Pentaco in a shark cage.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Did you think it was real or you're just trolling me?

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
I was super excited. I was like, oh my gosh,
like what they made? This is hilarious. Like the graphic
was so well done.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
I was like, this is phenomenal, phenomen all right, So
I guess one last question we've obviously talked about, like
comedy matches, comedy wrestlers, comedy props.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
What is something like, dude, what's your absolute favorite? Like
all these like chaos that we talk about, Like why
are some of this stuff? Like what's what's one thing
if you could see in a match? Always popular? Like
jets of the water brows are Like, what's something in
a match that will always that match instantly over if
you see it happen, either a person in it or
a moment in a match, even if it's cliche.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
That's sometimes it's just genuinely what commentary has to say true.
Because I am constantly Nigel dead. He like makes me
like just it's so funny. Half the ship that comes
out of Nigel's mouth clam digger like something to do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
With like like, oh yeah, I just Dan Brian claims
to be a vegetarian, but he was eating free last night.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Everything about that is just so funny to me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
But even last night Tony Storm after she kissed freaking
Tony Shavanni and she was like, I know it must
be East assum as to Shovanni because you have Risen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I was like, whoa right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Now Tony Storm's promos something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Again, anything with Tony Storm talking is your favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
She can get it, yeah, because her promos are good
and you understand what she's doing. But sometimes you're like
whoa that well, and even more you're just like did
she say that? First off? Okay, yes, she just totally
contradicted herself or she you know what I mean, doing
all these different things and it's like but but it
works and she's doing it very well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Commercial from the two thousands something, Yes, dirty mouth, clean it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Up right, a little smile with her laying on it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I guess I need some orbits gum, I know. I
think for me, what always pops me is whenever they
have a running spot that gets foiled, will always pop me.
So like if some goofball like say Youda is coming
out and he's like, I'm gonna get this guy with
a chair, like the Spike Doubly spot, I'm gonna get
this guy with the chair, and then someone bigger just
comes and runs him over and they just lay on

(01:22:47):
the on the ground, Like when Santino was taken out,
like he was coming out doing his little power walk
and I'll never forget someone just came up and just
tackled him and then he just he laid there. Or
like when see him Punk was laying in the in
the crowd left and it was like two hours after
the venue closed and he's still laying in the ring.
I think over selling, like Seawn Michael's Hookogan, that will

(01:23:07):
always pot me. When someone's overly selling, like Shawn Michael's
Hulk Hogan where he takes. Yeah, he takes like a
yeah Ziggler the rock taking the stunner. Oh yeah, Scott
Halls taking the stunner. If someone's over selling, that's that's
me right there. If you over sell the ship out
of it, make I love it, like even Kenny Omega,

(01:23:30):
like when they sometimes they sell something so devastating, like
you don't have to suck that hard?

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Right well, okay, perfect example Rob band Damn over selling
fucking like ddts and some of that, because I e,
oh god, you don't have to sell it so good,
you know, Damn Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Or like yeah, you'd like the handstand just like stand
straight up or Shawn Michaels when he stood straight up
on his head.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, just like, oh, ship, don't have to sell it
so good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Rob Damn when he's super kipping like goes back on
his knees.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Oh yeah, just crumble straight back. Yeah that's a good
one too. Yeah. I do like the over selling. That
does pop me. Yeah, Marcos Marcus a lot, Yeah, oh
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
I woudn't say. And then the outrunners like when they
kind of like not hook up, but like when they
strengthen up and they do the double elbow drop every
time we said it earlier. When they do that double
elbow drop and like listen, we know it's the people's out,
but we know it's not supposed to be devastating, but
it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Right, And I do like that type of stuff, and
especially when I think it pops me when wrestlers through
either their stuff or whatever kind of like I talked
about with like Adam Cole and like different people or
Mona or whoever, if you have something that I can
get into and have fun with, you know, and chant
or be able to do whatever. You know, like you

(01:24:50):
said with we hurt people and stuff like that. They're
not supposed to be faces really, I mean, you know,
but everybody loves chance we hurt people. Yeah, you know.
Also the same thing stone cold or if you smell
I guess I love really good catchphrase, you know, or
some stuff like that. So something I can participate with, yeah,
even stuff like that, but I something I can participate with.

(01:25:12):
It helps keep me involved because I feel like those
can really bring the energy levels up on matches.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Sometimes I think it doesn't mean, you know, just to
put over, you know, jay Uso like that the yea
crazy over with everyone and listen, I get it. I've
seen I've had friends go and they've sent me videos
of them in the crowd. I'm like, that whole crowd
is doing so that's fun, and that's when wrestling is
at the most fun. When you said you can participate, well, like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I said, well, yeah, you know, suspending your disbelief to
get involved and enjoy the moment. Because it's a live show.
They're supposed to be fan interaction. It's not a movie
where we sit there in that type of you know,
showing where we're not being loud or whatever. This is
a participation event. So that's the whole point is to

(01:26:00):
get involved and you know, like you said, suspend your
disbelief and be able to just enjoy the show for
what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
So I just thought of one more random one because
I saw it happen on the Collective yesterday. Some of
the clips whenever the wrestler gets a fan, especially a
little kid, to hold back the person they're fighting in
the crowd, and they either they let the fans chop
them or they chop them. But like the fans get
to like hold the wrestler down. Well, I love it
every time, Like there was one where will Osprey had

(01:26:28):
a kid holds someone back and the kid's like shaking
his head. No, He's like it's okay, it's okay, and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
He holds it and the kid's like nervous and he's shaking.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
He was like hold him tight and he just chops
the guy and then he high finds a kid and
the kids like, yeah, he's just so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Who was that, like two weeks ago that did that.
It was the Learning Tree.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
I think it was jar some young un Yeah, chopped.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Bryan Keith got chopped, but it was just some little
kid and he chopped him and Keith sold the ship
out of it for him. He did. It was fucking great.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
It always makes me because it's like they're gonna remember
that moment. There is life, but I reck It's like yeah,
because it's just it's fun. And that was the whole
purpose of doing the Day souther Ring. It's it's stuff
that's fun, it's entertaining. And there's so much bitching online,
there's so much people getting negative. It's like, it's it's wrestling,
it's fun. It's entertainment, Like, stop being so serious about it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
When you see a child get yelled at to go
wash your mouth out with stuff. It is everything that's
not our child. I mean, I can't imagine that child
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Man, right, But yeah, I want to, you know, thank
everyone for you know, giving us a listen today. Make
sure your follow us on our socials like Cruism, Oka
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I had fun doing this on I thank Jeff for
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Smoke and Smoky, so we appreciate you coming on. Like always,

(01:27:55):
He'll be back on further episodes because again, we're a
big family here. You know, this is fun with p well,
this is fun talking about with you, Jeff and Rachel.
I love doing this. I love talking about wrestling. It
makes my weekend. So that's all I have to say
for me. So Emily, if you guys want to say anything,
for you guys to wear you wrap up. But I
just want to say thank.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
You and I enjoyed this, Yes, definitely, thank you. Thank
you everybody for listening, and go enjoy you know that
nice ham, go for a walk, listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Us am Waxmania has an Easter. It's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
It's the best weekend wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Here's the smoker for anything you want this weekend. Put
extra pellets in that thing and let it rip. So
thank you for having me as always too. I appreciate it.
Happy Easter to everybody out there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
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