Interview with Zak Knight

On this episode of Cruising With Kayfabe, Zak Knight, better known as Zak Zodiac, takes us on a deep dive into his journey carving out his own name in professional wrestling. As a member of the legendary Knight family, Zak shares what it’s been like to build his legacy while honoring the one his family worked so hard to establish.
We talk about his passion for wrestling, the impact he’s had training wrestlers, and his drive to give back to the community that’s shaped him. Zak also opens up about his battles, how he’s become stronger than ever, and what it feels like to be in the best mental and physical shape of his life.
From helping Saraya prepare for her return to wrestling in 2022 to walking out with her at Wembley Stadium two years in a row, Zak’s story is one of perseverance, resilience, and love for the business. Now signed with AEW, he’s focused on making an impact not just in the ring but on the industry as a whole.
If you’re a fan of wrestling, stories of redemption, or just want to hear from someone who truly lives and breathes this sport, this episode is for you.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Welcome to Cruizma Cafe about Mongo and today we are
joined by Zach Knight, a member of the legendary Night family.
Thank you so much, Zach for taking the time today
to talk with us.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You're very welcome. Thanks for having me on. Guys, I've
been looking forward to this one.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oh, absolutely, we have as well.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know, we'll put it right out there, both big fans,
both have watched your journey for quite some time and
really excited to get you on to talk to you
about your journey and kind of growing up in the
legendary family, growing up in the business, and well, you
know what's coming forward for you.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, I'm happy to dig in. Obviously, there's a lot
to unravel twenty five plus years of wrestling and a
lifetime of stories. So we might grow over at forty
five minutes. If you're looking for a detailed, step by
step journey and analyzation type thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, no worries. I'll try to respect the time there.
I don't want to make you go longer than we
have to.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I know I'm a very talkative person, so I don't
want to do that to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Now, you're good, I love it, so I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
My first question is most people say they grew up
in wrestling, but you literally did grow up in wrestling.
So what was it like kind of traveling with your
family at such a young age and learning the business
at such a young age.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
So obviously I was born into the business. My mum
and dad were already active wrestlers on the British wrestling scene,
which was thriving. I was born in ninety one and
at that point they were, you know, at the very
top of the tree, in sort of twenty eight shows
a month. You know. I like to say to people,
you know, many people choose professional wrestling, but professional wrestling

(02:08):
chose me. I was born into the industry and I've
spent a lifetime on the road, you know, going through
different generations of wrestlers. It's been difficult. It's not as
glamorous as people think, living out of a car in
your you know, your kids years, your early years. But
I wouldn't change it because wrestling is who I am,

(02:29):
and this, you know, is a big part of me.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
You kind of like weren't shielded from any of the bad.
You got to experience all of it from the start.
That's not good, but it's also not bad.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
So, no, you're right. So I'm thirty three. I debuted
when I was ten years old. I was active as
a manager from six till I was ten, So I've
literally grown in the business. And when you're a child
in the business, are still treated as an adult, you know.

(03:02):
So when I'm when I'm on the road with the lads,
and you know, maybe I'm ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, whatever
it is under the mask, you know, these guys are
still acting like fully grown adults and sometimes forgetting that
this lad is a youngster. But I was treated like
one of the boys me immediately, you know, there was
a Wrestling is a tough business and you have to

(03:23):
you have to grow very very quickly. You know. There's
there's no room for you know, an immature kid in
the car when you've got hours and hours and miles
and miles of traveling. So it's grew up pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
No, I can only imagine, you know, trying to have
to have the mental maturity at that age and trying
to also keep the traditions and you know, professionalism arriving,
you know, as big fans doing deep dives in wrestling.
We know it's rich history, rich traditions, So to kind
of go into that. Everyone talks about the Rhodes family,
they talk about the Hearts, they talk about it, but

(03:57):
no one really talks about the Nate family. And I
just kind of want to know they have such a
legacy in wrestling. That's one thing you kind of wish
people knew more about your family.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, to be honest with you, you know, a lot
of people buy into the characters of the family. We're
all very intense. We all work snug, you know, we
try and make it as believable as possible. We want
to go out there and make people believe that we're
in a fight. And I think sometimes whether it's you know,
pers in the business, whether it's the fans, they believe

(04:27):
into the characters, you know, and there's a lot of
rumors and a lot of mud that's been thrown our way,
a lot of shade, but people can't deny that we're
very passionate about wrestling. We've done a lot for the business,
you know, not just in Great Britain, but Europe and worldwide.
You know, at the end of the day, it's been
so long now that you know, we've sort of the outcasts.

(04:48):
We're not Internet friendly. You know, we get a lot
of stick, but we're used to it, and to be honest,
we thrive off it. You know how people think they
betray us, what they think they know, just lean into
that more, you know. So if people call us carnies
or you know, travelers or bend up of fighters or
you know, just trash, fine, we'll be exactly what you

(05:10):
say we are. You know, we just steer into that.
And obviously something's going well because you know, we're now
thirty five years in. There's fourteen active members of the family,
you know, and a couple of us have gone on
to the very top top of the league. So you know,
the family's doing something right.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Absolutely, and like you said, you lean into it. I
think people forget it is a performance, it's it's entertainment,
and you know, controversy creates cash to you know, throw
that cliche out there. So I don't know why people
think they know everything just because they read an article
or headline not realize that people are trying to report
on something that it's meant to be deceptive.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, you're right, you know, I don't think it helps that.
You know, there's there's been a lot of demons within
the family. You know, we've all had our own journey.
We've all had to face our problems and demons head on.
You know, my dad was a young scallywag when he
was younger, hang around with the wrong people. You know,
the movie depicted that pretty well. You know, he did

(06:06):
do eight years in prison before he's twenty five, but
he completely changed his life around, and that was through
professional wrestling. You know. My brother had every chance of
going on to be a professional footballer. He was scouted
for you know, WWE a phenomenal talent and everyone was
he was tip for top, you know, but unfortunately his
demon's gotten away. And I feel like because we're so

(06:28):
open as a family and we tell people, hey, we're
going through this or you know that we're born and
raised Caunselor State, and I don't think that will ever change.
You know, we're very proud of our roots. We're very
open and honest. We wear our heart on our sleeve.
And what you see is what you get with the
Night Family. And you know, over here we're compared to Marmite.

(06:49):
You either love us or hate us.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
That's great. I love that.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I think it's cool that you know, It's talked about
that you knew wrestlers by their book by the age
of three, y, which is absolutely insane. Our son when
he was five was doing everybody's entrance and we thought
that was impressive. But everybody by their boots, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
So wrestling's actually been an obsession, you know, It's not
a way of life for me. I'm obsessed with it,
you know, I'm watching it constantly. I'm studying constantly. You know,
I'm trying to evolve and come through the generations because
obviously I was taught old school, and you know, there's
a load of variety of professional wrestling. You know, growing up,
I was primarily on like family friendly shows for the

(07:35):
biggest company in Europe, All Star Wrestling, doing two hundred
shows a year, you know, but we're not very internet friendly,
so to speak.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, that's great.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think that kind of leads into one of the
questions I always like to ask, where do you think
the weirdest place you've ever p formed is?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Like?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Or the weirdest venue or location.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
There's been multiple places where I've turned up and for
you know, is there any chimney pots around here? We're
so isolated, it's unreal. But I've done a lot of events,
you know, outdoor events, but I think the one that
will always stick to mind is a place called the
cattle Market in Norwich, my home city. And the reason

(08:19):
I was sticking is because the cattle Market was basically
a cowshed that they would empty out on a Saturday.
And you know, there's I'm sorry about the language, there's
cowshit everywhere. You know, this place literally is just a
dumping yard for every Saturday. They'd emptied the cattle out
so we could set the ring up and you know,

(08:39):
wrestle in front of seven hundred people and people didn't
mind what was on the floor. They were just so
fixated with what was going on in the ring. But
that's definitely up there. When people ask, I'm like, have
you ever wrestled in a cowshed?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Well, I actually grew up. My family raises cattle. I
cannot imagine that.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, oh there, and we're blowing out of our asses
trying to you know, win back for the next spot
and it's just aroama of cowmanuit, just you know, festus
and in the air.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
My stepdad used to say that you had to like
in the summertime, they would drink hot tea to go
out to manage the cows because it was so.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Hot in the barn.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I couldn't imagine wrestling in there.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
No, well, there you go. I don't think you'll have
many guys side of wrestling in a cow shed, you know,
definitely not.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
You know that that bar was the weirdest we've seen.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
I think definitely went. That one definitely went.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
So what do you think it means for you to
carry your legacy of the Night family, you know, wrestling
in Mexico and all over the world and now in
the US and to kind of carve your own path
and to be Zach And you know, I'm part of
this family, but I'm still Zach Zodiac.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
I'm still Zach Knight.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah. Well that that was a big thing during my journey,
was you know, I kind of wanted to separate myself
from the Knight family name for the good and the bad.
You know, as we've just discussed, you know, there's always
there's always something said about the family. You know, nine
out of ten what is said is complete bs. But
we're kind of like the royals. We just we just

(10:20):
don't ever retaliate, keep ourselves to ourselves and what you believe.
You believe, we know the truth type thing. You're gonna
have to repeat that question because I went off track
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
No, you're fine.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Just what does it mean to you to kind of
carve your own path? Like you're like, that's yeah, you're
doing so.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I changed my name to Zach Zodiac when I was thirteen,
simply because I wanted my own identity. I wanted people
to see, Look, you know, he's not living off the
family name. He's going out there. I'm in a mask,
you know, I'm trying everything I can to build my
own legacy. And funny enough, once I got to AEW,
you know, I'm sad Tonally, Hey, my name is Zach

(10:56):
Zodiac and he's like, actually, you're Zach Knight here in
AEW because we want to give your family the extra exposure,
you know. And he's been really good that way. Both
all Lin's we've been a part of, and you know,
my family was treated as royals. But yeah, for me,
it was always trying to make my own way. You know.
Obviously Sayah was the first female to go on and

(11:17):
get a contract out of the family, you know, and
there was a few miles within our family that could
have gone on and done it, but for one reason
or another. You know, the stars never aligned for any
of us, me included. You know, I've had multiple trials
for various companies and it's never really moved forward for me.
But you know, I'm just I'm very honor the privilege

(11:37):
to say that on the first night family member they's
signed a contract to one of the big leagues, because honestly,
we've all worked hard and it's a win for all
of us. When one succeed, we all succeed.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
No, I love that you cheer the success of everyone
in your family and that you, you know, even through
all the setbacks and even very open with your mental
health and your struggles through all the setbacks, that used
to come out and show a positive message. And I
think that's really important and nowadays is focus on into
health and you know, support your fellow person because like
you said, you never know when the stars are gonna line.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
And no, you're right, No, you're spot on, and and
you know, I'm glad we touched on mental health. That's
a really big part of who I am. You know,
I I have my my battles with mental health. You know,
I've had a good six seven years where I've been
in a really good mindset, got myself in better shape,

(12:30):
and you know, sort of shooting for the stars. But
you know, there's general reminders sometimes and them saying, hey,
we're still there. What you're going to do today? You know,
in actual fact, for the first time in the long time.
And I woke up this morning, you know, and anyone
there sufferers mental health will understand this. When you first
wake up and think, no, I don't want today, I
just want to lay in my bed, you know, and

(12:52):
people they think that's crazy. Well, you've got everything in life,
you know, You've got a beautiful wife, free kids, you've
got your dream job, you're traveling the world, you're being
paid to travel the world, you know, but mental health
can strike anyone at any time. You know. Just because
you have all this in front of you, that don't
mean that you're protected from mental health. But anyone that's listening,
you know, I woke up with that mentality this morning.

(13:14):
I dragged my carcass out of bed, I drove my
kids to school, and I went straight to the gym,
you know, and I got an Aaron twenty minute workout
with my wife and as soon as we come back,
she's cooking my breakfast while I've gone out for a
three mile run. You know, so that there's steps to
help yourself. And I've found that if I set myself goals,
you know, if I push on the days that I'm struggling,

(13:35):
not the days where things are all okay. And you know,
i could go for a six mile run because I'm
in a good mindset. It's days like today where you've
really got to push yourself through and you know, show
the world I'm not messing around here on my on
my worst days, on my bad days, I'm still out
here grinding. And that's the message I've tried to put
out there to the world. You know, again, going off

(13:56):
track a little bit, but as soon as I signed
with aw the message is while he's there because of
his sister, or they haven't seen the twenty plus years
that I've been going up and down the road for
next to no money, or you know, sitting there worrying
about how I'm going to pay my bills because I'm
not ready to say no, I give up on this
dream yet. I know I'm still a young man, you know,
So For me, it's always proving myself. It's always make

(14:18):
getting the message out there. Look, you know, yes, someone
can get you to AUW even though I was talking
to her eight months before she was signed. You know,
but they can't do the work for you. I have
to still put in the work for them to say,
actually we'll sign him. You know the old saying of
you could take a horse to water, but you can't
make a drink, right, And that's exactly the same in

(14:39):
my career. You know, there's a there's been times where
you've really really got a push and you haven't got
the crowd clapping you on. When you're running the streets.
You haven't gotten clapping for you. And you're in the gym,
they haven't got clapping for you when you decide you
are going to get out of bed this morning. And
they're the tough days that people don't see. And that's
not just professional wrestling, that's entertainment as a whole. You know,
we we spend them majority of our time, you know,

(15:02):
betraying someone else, method acting as someone else. Zach Knight
is a very strong person, but Zach Beavis is actually
very shy, very reserved, and sometimes you know that the
battle really is deare for Zach Beavis and you have
to just turn that mindset on on Zach Knight. Now,
let's get the miles done, let's get the train and done,
and let's keep on track.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I love that you recognize you have to be your
ow biggest cheerleader and plush yourself through on days that
you don't want to.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
And I want to bounce off like your sister getting
signed obviously, like that was really awesome. But you were
at one of her first matches and they hadn't even
said your name yet, and I saw you ringside and
I was like, Zach's say, or Zach's there, maybe he's
gonna be able to like do a dark match or something.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
And I was so excited.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
And then they recognized you on the camera and I
was like, yes, that's something, like that's something that's so huge,
Like they didn't have to do that. Maybe he is
getting somewhere with them. I was genuinely excited hopeful for you.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's that's lovely to hear. And you know what, I
felt that as much as anyone else looking in that
you know, had followed my journey and knew who I
was when that name Bar come up and was like
British legend or whatever it said on it. You know,
that took me back. I actually, you know, when I
watched that back with Soraya in our house later, you know,
maybe the next day because of travel. Actually, you know,

(16:22):
the name Bar popped up and I started getting emotional
and she said, what's up, bro. I was like, it's
just that there's kind of that pat on the back,
you know, there's kind of you know that I can't
think of the word, but you know, you're being recognized
for your work, you know, Yeah, you know, it's kind
of like, we know who you are, buddy, We're going
to put your front and center, you know, and we're

(16:44):
going to show the world that we respect what you've
done in this business. And for me, straight away, that
helped me understand that aw were sniffing and looking because
of what I had done. It didn't say Zach Zodiac
Soriah's brother. It was Zach Zodiac British legend or twenty
year veteran or something along them lines. So there was

(17:04):
a real validation of hey, this is his work, you know.
So for me straight away, there was like a that
was the extra kick of motivation I needed. That was
November twenty twenty two. Yeah, at full gear. Yeah yeah,
there you go. So you know I was already busting
my backside then, but as soon as I see that,
that was a real turning point for me. It was like, Okay,

(17:26):
I'm here. They know who I am, They've recognize me
and give me the validation that every wrestler seeks in
their career. What can I do in twelve months from now?
And you remember within that right, So I was then
at Wembley in August, I think I was. I flew
back out in sort of October, November and twenty twenty three,

(17:49):
so I was at full gear yet again, you know,
and then February twenty twenty four I'm signed. So a
matter of fourteen months of them introduced me on camera.
As you know, zag Zodiac a wrestling a British wrestling
veteran to zag Zodiac or Elite. It was incredible. But

(18:11):
make no mistake, then fourteen months I probably worked hard
at and then fourteen months than I had the previous
fifteen years because I got stuck in a mindset for
so long that you know, my work rate will speak
for itself, you know. But there's a lot of incredible
wrestlers out there now that looks like professional wrestlers. And
that one thing that was lacking in my department is

(18:34):
I was a big boy. I looked legitimate, but I
just I weren't in, you know, an athlete shape, a
wrestlers shape. When he could put you on a poster
and people would know he's a professional wrestler.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
I think that's something that Tony Kahn also kind of
gives to people, is that, like you, he just loves
wrestling and he studies every little thing about wrestling. And
I think that's a really huge advantage that people don't understand,
end if they don't know aw enough to just know that,
you know, Tony cares about the actual wrestlers, the actual business,

(19:07):
like his name as well.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
But there's two No, absolutely, you're spot on, you know.
So I always say the best wrestlers are the biggest fans,
you know, because we're all still fans of the industry. Yeah,
anyone that says I hate pro wrestling, you know, it's
attention seeking, you know. To be in this business, you
have to love it. You have to because unless you
get to the very top You're doing it for love
and passion. You're not doing it for the money, the

(19:31):
fame or success, because there isn't none until you get
to the big leagues, and even then you've got to
work your backside off to get it. But Tony, you know,
he's a die hard wrestling fan, and he thinks about,
you know, as a fan, what would I want to see?
You know, And there's a different in opinions. You're not
always going to get it right. You know. You could
put someone in a room, you know, and there's a

(19:53):
beautiful cake there, and ten people tuck into it, but
three or four might say, actually, I don't like this cake,
you know, but the other half a sign this is
the best cake about in my life. You're never going
to please everyone. But what I love is Tony's, you know,
making sure the roster's okay, his loyal fan base, and
he's also trying to reach out to them, casual fans
down and be like, look, this is what we do here.

(20:15):
You know that it's not the fans booking as such,
but it still feels like this is a fans wrestling company,
and I love that. I love that the fans, their
voices are heard I'm.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
A waitress, and I'll tell people like the other night
we were going to a wrestling event around here and
I was like, yeah, I'm going to wrestling tonight. I
wasn't shy about it like I used to be, and
AW did that for me. I don't have to hide
that I'm a fan anymore. And they're like, oh, like WWE,
and I'm like, actually, it's a little different. It's like
less story, more action. Like I never know how to

(20:48):
not because I don't want to knock on WWE. They've
done wonders, They're great, yeah, but it's I want to
talk about the wrestling aspect of wrestling. So for us
to be like, well, we're going to Deadlock Pro Wrestling.
It's right down the road from here, Like it's different
for us with AW as well, because it's like, well,
do you remember the wrestling you saw as a child.

(21:08):
That's kind of what we're watching.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah. Yeah, And this is what I put to people.
You know, this is like a modern day sort of
attitude error. You know, they're doing stuff that you didn't
think you'd see on TV in twenty twenty four, you know,
and it's very appealing. You know, So WWE they've got
their their catchment target, they know what they're looking for,

(21:30):
and they're very successful at what they're doing. And aw,
they've got their own fan base, you know. But for me,
I love professional wrestling. That means all professional wrestling. There's
no style that I don't like, you know, and I
feel like that shows in my work because you know,
every style I've sort of amalgamated into what I now
call my style.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
And you train that way as well, right.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, to be honest with you, I
probably train harder now now, yeah, thirty three than I
ever have, you know, because there's that real there's that
real pride there now that I want to leave a legacy.
You know, everyone wants to be the greatest wrestler of
all time, and everyone wants to leave their stamp. But
for me, I just want people to be like this

(22:15):
guy loved professional wrestling. You know, he's studied, he went
through you know, I've already been through four decades of
wrestling when you think about it, you know, and wrestling
changes so much, so rapidly, so quickly. There's always a cycle,
you know, whether it's six seven years, you'll have this
style of wrestling. Then something else will coming and then
something else, and you as a wrestler, you're always trying

(22:37):
to catch up. But luckily for me, I'm I was
young going through all the changes, you know, and I
feel like my style I do now, which is a
very intense, nasty, you know, bringing that realism. Yeah, I'm
very big on realism. I love to love to go
to the ring, you know, and whether there's three, five

(22:57):
or ten thousand people, if I can get ten percent
of them to go, did he just punch him in
the face. But this guy's unhinged, This guy's a hooligan.
This guy, you know, he'd be going to prison if
this was outside. I love bringing that intensity and that
aggression back into professional wrestling, that unpredictability that us as
fans used to sit and go, we don't know what's

(23:18):
coming next? Did you know what I mean? I missed that.
That's what I try and implement in my matches now.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
It sounds like the lady at aw a few weeksler
a few months back, behind us, She's going, it's it's
fake blood, it's fake blood. And I just looked behind her, I'm.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Like, no, Yeah, I think we've all got the scars
to prove that, you know, it's definitely not fake blood.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
And I love yourself.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think one of the first things I showed her
a while ago is your clothesline, where it just it
looks like you decapitate people with that.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
And I told.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Her, I'm like, if there's one move I don't think
I want to take from him as a chopper clothesline
because it just looks like you're just getting laid the
hell out with it. And I love it because you
say you work snow, you work stiff, but I think
it adds to that holy shit, did he just take
his head off?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right? And That's what I'm trying to get out of people.
You know, again, I've said this a couple of times
for this week, so I've done a few podcasts. But
you know, for me to go into AEW and you know,
I can fly, I'm seventeen stone, I'm six foot three,
I can backflip, but why would I do that when
the greatest high flyer in the world in will Ospray
is in AEW. I can go back to British technical wrestling,

(24:30):
but why am I going to do that when you've
got Daniel Bryan, one of the greatest technical wrestlers in
the world in that company. I've gone around and done
hardcore and death matches, But why am I going to
compete when Darby Allen's there? You know. So it's coming
in and going, Okay, what do I bring? You know what,
what does someone look into aw and go I can't

(24:50):
do that because that's got that sewn up. And for me,
it's intensity and believability, you know, if you need someone
to go in there and make, you know, course silent
through violence on your man, you know, because I know
it can make people feel uncomfortable where they're going. Well,
I've turned up here thinking as fake, but this guy
looked like he's really eating this person up. And to me,

(25:13):
that's my skill. That's what why I got signed, you know.
So it's working out why you've been signed and doing
what you're good at and not trying to do what
everyone else is doing to be popular. No.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I love that because I think it's kind of a
last art in wrestling to find your own style, your
own niche in the ring.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
And I love that.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
You've talked about in the past that that was one
of the things you used to do on the shows
in England. Where if they needed to do be the
high flyer of that match and wow the crowd, you would.
Or if you had to be the person who was
brutal and grab some you know, plunder under the ring
and beat the crap out of your brother in the ring,
you would.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah. But the thing is I was brought up where
you know, each match was the build towards the main event.
So you know, match one was educating the audience on
who's bad, who's good, and what there's a referee, and
then match to you dial up a little bit. Then
you'd have your first half main event, but you still
would have brawl out the ring or do anything too
crazy because you're building for that last match. You know,

(26:09):
so every match had a rhyme and a reason. You know,
the match just before the main event, we used to
call that the scoreboy match, which is where you bring
the crowd down on that roller coaster to the point
where actually they're bored, they want to go to the toilet.
There they are looking at their phone. They're using that
time so that when the main event comes, they're full
of energy again. You know, that style of wrestling I

(26:30):
believe has changed over the years. You know, every match
is now, you know, a match of the night contender.
And that's why wrestling is so successful at the moment
because people ain't waiting for the main event. Now they're
the main event with their first, second, third, or fourth
and you know, just that what do you call it?
That competitiveness is what makes AW such an amazing locker room.

(26:55):
It's because you know, you've got to go in there
and have the best match, because if not, you're left off,
you know. But I do like the old style of
where the matches mean something and you're building towards it.
And I believe that's why, you know, I'm kind of
the impact sub as we call it here, you know,
where I could come on and I can make an
impact or I can do the job this asked from

(27:16):
the manager. That's what I feel makes me valuable.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Is there anybody in the locker room at AW or
Ring of Honor that you're really looking forward to getting
in the ring with?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
To be honest, I want to fight them all. You know,
there's no one there are, of course there is. You know.
I'd love to go and work with with Brian, you know,
especially if he is slowing down and there's only a
few matches left. If he can get back in the ring,
of course, I want to tick that off my bucket list.
But yet, for me, any of them, literally, any of them,

(27:49):
because you know, I know it's a slogan, we're the
best wrestle, But seriously, these guys are phenomenal. They really
are amazing athletes, you know, and it would be a
pleasure just stepping the ring of any of them, from
Darby Allen to Orange Cassidy to Dante Martin, you know,
to Brian Keith the bounty Hunter, to Chris Jericho, like
Big Bill, you name it, all these guys I would love.

(28:12):
My ultimate dream is to have a real carve up
with John Moxley. I want to get in there and
I want a toe to toe you know, no rules,
just two guys beating the living shit out of each other.
For me, that's money and two I know that we
could both take it. And you know, I would sign
that dotted line. Whenever he's ready for it.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
You could take that championship. He's not, you know, showing
it off.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
No, it's very it's very true. It's very true. But
let me tell you a lot of people. Everyone in
the locker room wants to be world champion, you know,
and rightly so you need that mindset. However, my goal
is not, you know, to become world champion the next
two or three years. Of course I'm going to say
I'm going to be champion. My goal is to cement

(28:56):
myself as a core member of AW you know, someone
that you know when I'm coming out weekly, You're going,
all right, we're going to get entertained. Whether he's the
champion or whether he's winning losing, whether he's got a
four minute match or a fourteen minute match, We're going
to get in attained by Zach Knight. That is the
title that I'm working towards.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
No, and I think you're doing a hell of a job.
I love when you know, to kind of go back
to Wembley, when you know they showed you in your family,
when you know Surreya won the title. Just how cool
that must have been for you. Eighty thousand people in Wembley,
just screaming for the night, famous screaming for your sister.
And then a year later you get to accompany you
to the ring with your whole hire family again and
as part of the outcast, as part of a roster.

(29:38):
So what were those kind of moments like in hindsight
and comparison.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
So that first year was a bit of a bubble,
you know, it was a bit of a blur because
that was the first time. So I'd actually signed a
per appearance contract with him in the July, So when
they asked me to come to Wembley, I'm thinking, oh
my god, I'm on a per appearance. Am I going
to be in the casino? You know? You know about Royal,
which I knew they were doing. There were so many

(30:05):
different options. Is it going to be a dark match?
Is you know what's going on? I knew that, I
knew that Grado was going to be there doing something.
I'm thinking, could I be in there? So you get
yourself worked up. But to be honest with you, when
we come out to we will rock you by Queen
Sarah come out and then we come out like gladiat
is behind her. You know. I know we were being
told in the earpiece, move forward, move forward, but all

(30:28):
of us were just like, no, Like eighty one thousand people,
we've worked a lifetime for this next minute. We want
to embrace and enjoy it. And none of us know,
none of us dreamed that would be doing it again
the year later. Coming out as a family. I had
high hopes that I make it on the show. But
I come back to the UK in June. I needed

(30:51):
a bit of time off for personal reasons. You know,
as we've spoken about mental health, you know, I felt
like mine was dipping a little bit and I wanted
to take care of that as well as my wife
and children. I've been on the road for nine months.
I'd come home maybe twenty five days in them nine months,
and you know it's two three days here, two three
days there, and then primarily when I'm not working, I'm

(31:13):
in an airb and be on my own, you know.
So things just got crazy, truthfully. But Tony was brilliant,
you know. He said to me that I can have
until all in off. So I've got about six seven
weeks where I could be home, recharge, get things sorted,
you know. And again I can't thank them enough for that.
And then August I was I was cleared, you know,

(31:34):
and I'm like, oh my god, I'm cleared, and we've
got Cardiff and we've got Wembley. You know, I'm probably
probably expect them too much, but every wrestler wants to,
you know, dream of being on there and now as
that waiting game. As we've said, they've got the best
roster in the world. You know, no one can walk
out and say I need a couple of weeks off
and expect to come straight back in back to where

(31:56):
they were, you know, And I was, I was doing well.
I was getting to where I'm wanted to be. But unfortunately,
you know, this this time period where you know I
needed to be off for medical reasons, you know, sort
of caused a holt. But I'm very confident once I
get my next opportunity, you know, we'll get the ball
roll on again.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
No, I think so too. And I'm gonna be a
little selfish. I know I'm gonna project out another like
a year and a half or so. But we want
to go to all In in twenty twenty six when
it comes back to the UK. We've never been to
the UK. I want to put out there U verse
Kip Saviian. I think that's been that's been my dream.
I think I tag you as on Twitter every year
you verse Kip. I'd love to see it because I
know you have history with him. What would your thoughts
about if you. You and Kip got to go out

(32:36):
it at Wembley, so it's funny. I would love to
work Kip. I was Kip's first ever trying session. It
was in Gulsden at the Ocean Rooms. We're putting a
show on and Kip used to do a bit of
backyard and he turned up to take a session with
me and I think there were seven or eight guys there.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Kip loved it so much that he end up joining
my family trying in school, you know, and we've had
some phenomenal matches over the years, but we haven't worked
in many years as well, so you know, to see
Kip's development, to see how good he's got, for him
to understand the little things that maybe at one point,
you know, I was a bit more clued up than

(33:14):
he was to actually step in there with him now
when he's in his prime doing some of his best work,
especially at like a Wembley or even just any UK show.
You know, that would be a full circle moment, and
hopefully that that comes true. You know, we're definitely both
up for it and want to push for that to happen.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
See, I'm more selfish. I want the intergender match. You
and Penelope.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh there you go again. That would be a great,
great tag match, But there's plenty of mixed tag teams
in there. When you think about it, you got Tayor
and Johnny, you know, just to there's so many, Like
my brain's that going, there's this person, that person, you know.
But a mixed tag division in ae W could be unreal.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
I know Tony's talked about it before for how it
just is like a bad look sometimes for the men
and women to be in the ring together. But on
the second cruise they did a match with Kenny Omega
and Rio versus Kip and Penelope, and it was my
favorite intergender match I've ever seen. Really, Yeah, Kip and

(34:18):
Penelope together are magic, and then you're adding a Kenny
Omega and Rio, so I mean that was amazing. But
I've always wanted to see more of the intergender matches,
especially where we watch a lot of Independence where.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
They do those. Yeah, there's not really I guess on
the Independence it's purely down to the promoter. But with Tony,
obviously he's got the TV guys that he has to
to speak with, and you know, maybe they don't want
to showcase that on the channel. It's not anything, I know,
it's just me maybe observing or trying to come up

(34:52):
with some idea to why this maybe not be happening.
But you know, there's there's equality and everything. Now we're
in twenty twenty five and we've established that women could
do just as much as men, if not better, and
they're stronger physically mentally. You know, I always say my
wife is ten times the man, and I'll ever be
you know, she's a real tough cookie. And you know,

(35:13):
I believe nowadays we've probably got a better chance being
able to go in there and do you know mixed
tag team matches and having the women and the men,
you know, go at it, and you know, men would
be at a great base for women to really showcase
some of their skills and and women will have that
flexibility to make a man look better in these submissions
that they're honestly, they can compliment each other so well.

(35:35):
But we also have to remember that we also don't
want to be promoting you know, physicality either side. We
don't want anyone to think it's okay for a woman
to hit a man man hit a woman, you know,
and unfortunately, you know, people will look in and be like, well,
I see it on AUW or I see it on
this show. You know, if he can hit her and
it's on national TV, why can't I. So I feel

(35:56):
like we have to be very careful and there's a
fine line. You know, we don't want to be promoted
anything to anyone, whether it's children or you know, domestic abuse,
wherever it is. There's a fine line that we have
to make sure that we're not crossing.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
No, definitely, And.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I know you have a lot of experience obviously working
with everyone in the ring because you know, you're big
on training, and that's I think one of the things
that I really fell in love with as a fan
is not only is he really good in the ring,
but he's trained so many people. I mean, just looking
at the list of what you and your family have trained,
from Anthony at Gogo Gipsabien to Alex Winsor, I'm just
blown away. Who do you think that you've trained that

(36:35):
maybe someone that maybe doesn't have the recognition yet or
that you like, keep an eye on this person.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, we've got a few guys. Obviously you mentioned some there.
Obviously Nick oldis come through us as well. Who's now
in WWE. It's quite crazy of how many people that
have come to us that have gone on to be
very successful in big companies. If I'm thinking right now,
so I wouldn't say he's one to watch because he's

(37:05):
had too many injuries now. But someone I did have
high hopes for was a gentleman called Brad Slayer. He
was actually Kip Saviian's tag team partner. He's six foot four,
you know, really good looking guy, natural babyface, you know,
just ooze's charisma, you know, and good in the ring.
But like I said, he's had too many injuries now,

(37:26):
and I know time is ticking on a little bit,
but he's someone I want to give an honorary mention
to just because Brad has done sort of eighteen years
in the business and never really got the flowers that
he deserve. Again, this may sounds very I'm going to
have to pick one of my family members, well two
of them in fact. RKJ is the greatest young talent

(37:50):
that is unsigned a professional wrestling right now, and he
looks the real deal. He understands it. He's a good storyteller,
he's hard hitting, he just ticks every box. And my
nephew PJ. You know, he's not too far behind either.
He's just not as out there on the independence like
RKJ is. But when I think of my training school
at the moment, you know, I know it's very biased,

(38:13):
but I can't look past my nephews. They're just the hungry,
you know, and they're working hard to get it.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
That was one of my favorite moments. I think this
last summer. We were watching RevPro because the whole weekend,
and we saw these two figures come in after r
kj's match. I'm like, that's that's Sarah and Zach. That's
Sarah and Zach when you guys took the mass up.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
But I knew it. I just I just knew it.
It was such a cool moment.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
What was it like for you to come out and
be able to kind of interact and I have that
family moment at RevPro?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
It was amazing. You know. Ricky sort of said to us,
you know, you're here for the weekend, would you just
pop in? And me and so I We're like, yeah,
of course we will. You know, we did want nothing
for it. We were just helping Ricky out. You know.
I was kind of gutted in a sense because that
was the first time I've been at RevPro in a while.
But as soon as I took my mask off, it

(39:01):
was kind of instead of like pop, it was like, ooh,
is that going to be Surrio? Is that going to
be Surria? Is that gonna be Sarrian? And she takes
her and it's like pop And then they turned to
boozed instantly. I don't know if you've come across that
way to you, but you know, real heavy booze. And
I remember standing to Ricky in the ring. Maybe bringing
us weren't a good idea with villain on the aw

(39:21):
and people loved to us so but it was it
was wicked, you know, to stand with Sorayah and Ricky
in the ring in front of four thousand people, coming
back to rev Pro, a company that you know, eighteen
months prior to sign and I was doing so much for,
you know, having some really good matches against people like
you know show Umino and you know Trent seven and

(39:43):
you know Shah Samuels, people like that was just again,
it was very competitive and it had the same feel
as aew we all want to be number one?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Is there like an independent that you really look for
and you're watching right now a.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Company independent company. Yeah, so strangely I would again, I'd
come back to the UK. There's two companies that I
haven't worked for, one in the US, one in the
UK that I need to tick off my bucket list.
One is the FI Wrestling in America. And the reason
I say that is they actually were one of the
companies that helped me get my visa, so they put

(40:25):
their name to me and everything else, and you know,
I really feel like I want to go work there
and sort of thank them in person and you know,
showcase why I was getting my visa in the first place.
I'd love to do that. And over here. You know,
I think I might come as a shock to a
family or some fans, but truthfully, I want to tick Progress.

(40:45):
You know, I haven't wrestled for Progress in the UK.
I've wrestled for you know, every major company in the
UK other than Progress, So that might be a place
where I'd like to go and you know, just say yeah, yeah,
I got to work Progress when I was in the U. Okay,
because it's a growing company and that the brand, the
name is very much out there now, you know, and

(41:06):
I'd love to just leave the Zach Night sprinkle effect
in the middle of the ring if I'd let me.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I mean, I'm going to be selfish again and say
DPW Deadlock pro tip somehow they listen. Love to bring
you down. We'll shoot my hospitality down here in North Carolina.
We'll help you out down here and get you some
places to eat.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
See, I've got some friends in North Carolina, so you know,
I would love to come out there. If I'm touring
the US and dates line up Deadlock, give me a message.
I'd love to come in, of course I would. I'd
like to like to do a lot more US indie weapons.
You know, I think sometimes people are afraid to even
email because they're expecting you to skyrocket your pay because

(41:46):
you've got the AW logo next to your name. But
you know, then there's a message to all the promoters
out there. You know. I want to work within budget.
I want to give back to professional wrestling. I understand that,
you know, these guys don't have television money. I understand
that these guys are putting the harder money up and
it's a gamble. You know, I want to help them.
I want to help more companies. I want to see

(42:07):
them grow, expand and do them better because in return,
you know, it's just it's just healthier for professional wrestling
as a whole, you know. So anyone, listen, give me
an email, let's let's get let's get some work booked in,
and let's start giving back to a company that is
really changed my life.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
I think that if I saw your name on a poster,
I would immediately be like, I want to go right now,
like and that comes from also being a fan. But
your legacy holds its own. I think that if people
saw your name, they would definitely gravitate to the show.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Oh that's really kind. You know what. I don't take
compliments too well. You'll notice I smile and not I'm
like you. But the reason is, you know, that also
keeps me humble because I still don't it's not a
better I don't believe you. I just can't think that way.
You know. I'm still thinking that I'm building a legacy.
I forget about the twenty three years that are behind me.

(43:03):
I'm concentrating on twenty twenty five us in front of me.
And there's still a lot of waits to be done,
you know, there's still a lot of people to win over,
and there's still a lot of matches that I need
to put in to you know, keep climbing that invisible
aw ladder. But trust me when I say, it's very humble,
and I appreciate that. You know, it just means that
I'm doing something right. So thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
I mean, you wouldn't have had a movie Mete about
your whole family if that wasn't the case.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Let's be honest, very true, very true. Whenever we talk
about the movie, always get a little bit edgy because
you know, it's based on a true story, as we know.
But my side of the story, you know, was very
much started up for Hollywood. I was the ying to
the yang, you know, and some of what how they
betrayed me, you know it, well, it actually kind of

(43:50):
left me a little bit heartbroken. I'm not going to
lie because I'm not a drinker. I'm not a violent person.
My sister never come back from WWE and had a
match with me at a Christmas show and you know
I shoot him there or beat her up. That's not
going to happen when you're contracted less. Lets be honest
about it. You know, the only real part was I
didn't come to the airport. And the simple fact of

(44:11):
that is I'm terrible at goodbyes. You know. When I
leave to go to the US, I always asked, look,
either do it really early in the morning or late
at night so my kids are in bed. Either way,
because I can't say goodbye, it breaks my heart. You know,
I'd rather just get on the road, send him a
voice note saying see you in a couple of weeks. Babies,
Daddy love you, you know. And that was the same thing

(44:31):
for Soraya. I can't say goodbye. You're my best friend,
You're like my twin. What am I going to do
without you? You know, you're now starting this dream that
we've sat and spoke about since we were yay hi.
You know, kids with dreams. You're not going out there.
And a part of me felt like, you know, I
should have been going out there to protect her or
looking after her. And it was a very difficult time.

(44:52):
But there was never any hate on Soraya. I trained it,
you know, there was nothing but love. She succeeded, I succeed,
one succeed, we all succeed. That's the night family mentality.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I love that and kind of piggyback off that training.
I had heard or read that you helped prepare her
for her come back in twenty twenty two with j Whipper,
and so how did that kind of come about? Like
how did you kind of help produce that match and
kind of get her ready to get back in the
ring after so long.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
So I got the phone call from Soraya snop bubbles
and tears everywhere, telling me that she's been cleared. You know,
so we shared that moment together. I'll get a lump
with her throat. We shared that moment together because you
know that that was a real kicking the teeth someone
happened to retire at like twenty five years old. You

(45:40):
know you're sitting there thinking, wow, you know, life can
be cruel. You get signed to eighteen, one of the
youngest ever, and then you're one of the youngest ever
to retire. You know, that was a real bitter pill
to swallow. But when we got that news that she
was all clear, I said to her, I need to
be in the ring with you. I need to feel
it myself. I need to, you know, because I can't

(46:01):
just sit there and watch this match biting and chewing
my nails, not knowing whether one bump's going to paralyze you.
I just I can't do that. I need to physically
see it up my own eyes to believe it. So
we flew out and we went to the Santino Bros. Gym.
They've got a lovely little set up there, very accommodating,
so thank you for that, guys. And we were just

(46:23):
rolling around to start with, and then before we know it,
she's should we do this what we used to when
we were a kid? Should we do that? Should we
do this? And we're having the time of our life.
I then stayed there and we flew out. I can't
remember it was was it Newark? I can't remember now.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Sorry, I believe so, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
So we turned up and Saya's taking me in and
she's like okay, and they had all their producers and everything,
and then Britain Saah said to me, hey, we want
Zach to produce as well. I was like really, They
were like yeah, like help us, and you know, I
put a few things. I can't remember top of my head,
but I put a few things together, you know, and

(47:04):
they were The match was fantastic, you know, it really
was amazing. I'll never forget the end of that match.
You know, Soria's won, and apparently the referee has said sorayah,
like Tony wants you to go straight to Zach because
I was an emotional wreck, like she's done it. She's
back and she's not her and the crowd loves her
and this is amazing. And I just remember just hugging

(47:27):
her and just okay, that's that's round one done. You've
done a kid, You're back, you know, and there's a
real special moment. But I've actually helped produce a fewer
Soria's matches. She wrestled Tony Storm over here at Cardiff
for the title and I remember being there and you know,
the girls are saying to me, hey, we want to

(47:48):
do a bit more British style. Have you got any ideas?
And I'm like, I should have, So I give them
the start of their match when they end up doing
the Russ Abbott and you know, the screen post screen
pose and stuff like that, and it went down so
so well. In fact, I think the video went viral
the start of the match when Tony was doing the
the uh russ Abbott and everything. But yeah, I love it.

(48:10):
You know, if my wrestling career edit tomorrow, I know
that I'd still want to be there as a producer
or a trainer or an agent. You know. I'm just
I'm professional wrestling for and flu you know, I literally
it is built inside me. I was born to be
a professional wrestler. I was born to be in the
wrestling industry.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
I love that Soria is definitely one of my absolute favorites.
She's the reason I even started watching wrestling again. So
huge shout out to you because you helped do this.
But yeah, like I think it's just been really awesome.
Having you guys both in aw and obviously working together
is really cool. But I'm excited to see more of you,

(48:49):
even if it is Ring of Honor, just to see
more of you on television as well, and hopefully they
get that TV deal.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah, hopefully fingers crossed. You know, I'm I'm no much
as you guys, if I'm really honest, you know, but
having Chris jerrech Go as your champion, you know that
sort of even me, I'm like, okay, they might be close,
you know, if Chris is going to be the face
of this brand and everything else, I think they're close.
And I'll be really honest with you. I never asked

(49:16):
to go with Soraya. When I first got there, you know,
I actually was doing Dark Match, I was doing Ring
of Honor. I was happy there, you know, But I
was asked to go into the outcast. And obviously I'm
not going to refuse that. No one in their right
mind's going to turn down TV time or anything else.
But for me, even when I go back January, if
Tony say to me, hey, we're going to divide you
with Saraya, you're going to have your own pass. You're

(49:38):
going to go to the Ring of Honor route. Once you've
established yourself and you know your your own name, then
we'll bring you back with your sister. And I think
I speak on behalf of me and Soraya. We would
love nothing more than to be in a story together,
but on opposing teams. We'd love that because some of
the stuff that we would say, or how deep we
would go, or you know, if we ever actually got

(50:01):
to step in the ring together, we're going to do
stuff that no one else is going to be doing
because we're family. You know, her shots are going to
be snug, and I'm going to be clenching my teeth
waiting for that right hook, you know, and she knows that,
you know, I'm not going to treat her any different
because she was brought up being trained by the males
and with the males, and that's why her bumps so
on point. That's why she comes across, as you know,

(50:24):
very intense and rough and that brawl and edgy style
because she did train with the boys from a very
very young age. So Artemi's hoping that I get my
own path when I go back, but part of me
really wants it to come back to a full circle
moment where me and Soraya are in storyline together but

(50:44):
against one another. I think that would be a dream
come true.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I love.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
I mean, the match that you had with Roy was
absolutely a killer, So I can't imagine where you and
Sorea have that like close bond, just how much it
would just be amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
All we can do is just you know, keep being hopeful.
Hope is all we've got, right.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
No, I agree, and.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I would love that, And just to obviously respect time
and wrap it up, we always try to end with,
you know, one final question. We we love the reason
why we started the podcast is we love hearing everyone's stories.
We started on the Jericho Cruise because everyone had a story.
So I always like to ask if there's one piece
of advice you could give someone who's chasing their dream
or in any walk of life for wrestling, you know,

(51:31):
what kind of advice would you give someone?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Good question. I would tell them when you're on the
verge of everything falling apart and you feel like you
getting nowhere, stick with it because that's when the magic's
actually happening. You know, when things are going great, that
is exactly what's happening. They're going great, but in the
real hard times. You know, I've actually said this on
a podcast before. On my son's eighth birthday. You know,

(51:58):
he's ten now. So it's twenty two March twenty twenty two.
I was ready to jack in. I was ready to
say that's it, the dream's done. That's twenty years I've
been working for it, nothing's happened. I'm done. And my
son just looked at me and went, Dad, it's not
if it's when you get signed. I believe in you, Dad,

(52:21):
You need to believe in yourself. And literally six months later,
I'm at full gear and my sister, I was ready
to give up. So my message to people out there,
any aspiring wrestlers, you know, don't put a time frame
on it. It took me twenty years to get signed.
And when you feel like everything's against you, when you
feel like giving up, they're the days that you have

(52:44):
to work extra hard because you're onto something, you're very close.
But this is just you know, nature. I guess this
is the wild telling you do you really want this
because even at the top, tough days are extremely tough,
you know, and it's all about mindset. So get that mindset,
believe in yourself, never give up one day at a time.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
That's such a great message. Again, I'm like, now I'm
speechless because that's that's very powerful and you know, being
a big proponent mental health, I love that you can
share that and want to thank you again so much
for taking the time to talk to us today. Make
sure you guys are following Zach on his journey, follow
him on Twitter, all of his socials so we can
see him back in the ring in January, maybe going
against Sirea or Kip Saban in the future. So thank

(53:32):
you again, Zach I appreciate it and until next time,
everyone remembered always keep the k Fabe.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Thanks guys, appreciate you.

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